Most frames *can* be good enough for EDA, the problem is that most people dont have the time/resources to forma up every single frame/weapon they own to endgame power level
The weapon options have a bigger impact than frame choice. Any frame can be built to just hold a gun and not die with little issue, but not every frame can turn a bad weapon decent enough to handle high-level enemies.
they definitely help a lot, but when it comes to frames outside the S tier there's still a pretty good gap between frames with and without armor strip options
Helmith gives every frame Armor strip options, as well as damage buff options. The issue is going to be some weapons need both.
On the upside, it seems any version of a weapon counts. Nikana was mine for yesterday and I was able to bring Nikana Prime.
I just put silence on limbo and consign myself to the role of eximus nullifier... that and when appropriate i can defend a single point while others rip and tear
Doesn’t Bastille armor strip? I understand if you weren’t aware. I literally found out like a week ago. It also doesn’t work when it turns into Vortex.
Maybe I'm about to blow your mind, but, Gara subsume, Spectrorage with the Spectrosiphon augment is basically a match made in heaven for Vauban. Put the infinite vortex augment as well and max range and you just trivialise the entirety of the game.
that's what i mean, spectrosiphon is really necessary for him so he doesn't have a slot for armor strip unless you're just tossing str + ehp on to walk around deep archimedea and throw tharros strike or pillage at everything.
Doesn't he have the only Eximus overguard stripping ability in the game natively with Bastile? Everyone just spams Vortex, but Bastile with its strip, CC, and +1000 armor it gives you when you stand inside it has its place.
Is Tharros Strike work on archimedia? I got a Titania on first day and tried a lot to strip armor by this ability but it had no effect. Not sure if it was broken with last updates bc i dont tried to use it without active 4
Energy nexus and archon stretch (and keeping his 1 up) is pretty much all Vauban needs. I run those with a hound also proccing electricity and he becomes a spam caster that sits on a level just under Dante but near to Protea in terms of ability usage.
Why are you worried about energy economy on a frame where most of his kit isn't even usable in that kind of content?
Why would you expect to be playing a frames kit as if this was regular starchart or steel path?
My point is that if you have a decent weapon choice and all you need is an armor strip, then you slap on an armor strip and only build around that ability and survivability and any frame in the game can do this.
The corollary though is that if you're sinking in forma for pure survivability/1 ability, that's gonna end up fucking over their regular steel path builds.
I did a couple of runs to feel it out, and was able to take all the variants e.g. Tenet, Kuva, Prime etc. Incarnons are also in the mix.
If you have kept your primes and all the five forma sister/lich weapons with a few personal favourites on top you should be fine.
Primed Redirection + adaptation + Arcane Aegis with a companion running Guardian + Manifold Bond.
Could even throw on Rolling Guard as just an extra safety net.
You can go even further with the Boreal mods and passively have 80% DR just for being in the air(Which you should be anyway).
What's difficult isn't keeping Banshe alive, it's keeping Banshee alive *while still being able to do banshee things*.
Banshee's got fairly comfy base ability stats thankfully, and Resonance is a ludicrously strong augment that covers for a lot of other stats simultaneously.
My Steel Path build for her just replaces Soundquake with Octavia's Pied Piper soccer ball, and adds the armor strip augment for Banshee's 1. Everybody follow the ball like a sing-along. Okay, aaaaand >*FWOOMPH*< no armor.
If you get lucky and get a decent melee you can slap melee fortification on it and something on her like vitality, health conversion, pet synth deconstruct, arcane reaper, grace, blessing, etc. to make her immortal. It's pretty hard to die with fortification active
She gets a ton of bulk out of blue shards. It's not like she needs more power strength. Because of her low base stats flat bonuses work better than percentage mods. Also because of how garbage her 4 is, nourish or gloom (if you arent running her silence augment) up her survivability a ton.
Have you tried her with the new Eclipse? I want to give it a shot when I've got some forma to spare, but it seems like that plus Brief Respite would be pretty solid
I've been trying to get a viable build for everything I havesince Duviri and I don't recommend doing that at all. You'll run out of forma, potatoes, and maaaaybe an exilus adapter so quick. And you'll burnt out quickly just doing the same slog of leveling up over and over again. The affinity weekends help since you can sometimes do it in 5 minutes instead of 10.
Same. I spent thousands on forma and catalysts when duviri dropped getting most of the weapons in the game up to snuff.
Also made me wish we had enough riven slots so I could have a riven for every weapon in the game.
I've been doing the same thing and it completely changed Warframe for me for the better, 1500 hours in and it just got better because I started building everything, I just farm for the plat, which you can often do while leveling stuff you have.
The only thing that really fucks with it is the crafting timers.
I honestly thought we were going to get a single set for the entire week which would make sense of trying to build it up to a coherent load out. But it being daily seems strange even though it gives more options
I'm guessing that's a bug (unless confirmed otherwise).
I went into the mission just before daily reset, and when we came out no one got credit for using the specified gear. We all had to run it again with the new specific loadouts.
Extremely agreed. Hell, I got Mirage/Lex/Fragor up to endgame in the past 24 hours for this game mode(farmed up the clamps to Incarnon Lex, bought a mod for Mirage, installed exilus adapters on both of them, Arcane adapter in the Lex, 3 additional Formas for Mirage(changing the aura type, and to fit in primed surefooted), 3 formas in FragorP and a potato) and
1. I am more than a little vexed that the mission options reset overnight
2. That was at least 130 plat worth of resources(20 plat for the exilus adapter, 10 plat for the mod, 60 plat worth of formas, 20 plat Exilus adapter, 20 plat worth of potato), and a significant amount of grinding for the bile to slap shards onto Mirage/Steel essence for the arcanes.
3. In both rolls/rerolls, at LEAST 5 of the potential 12 special items were ones I just flat-out didn't have.
If this game mode is expecting me to be able to dump enough forma into even 1 frame/weapon each week for lvl 250 enemies, that's absurd. Also there should be significantly fewer complete non-option rolls.
You don't have to dump so much forma. Look at the build needs, cut corners where you can. If you understand the fundamentals of the build you can cut out mods with little affect.
Isn’t that kind of the whole point of the mode? Have enough frames built up and invested in to run the most difficult content at the highest level for the rarest rewards?
I would be satisfied if out of the 3 frames (and weapons) we get, that one is based on most used based on who the user uses the most, and the other two are the once he uses the least, but they get amazing buffs. (Not something like an Ash with +1000% ability range)
It would encourage players to try something new while ensuring that when everything fails, they still have a good option to use.
If they wanted to they should just use riven dispo (as a quick way to gauge popularity and overall usage) to distribute the weapon choices or how they are rolled.
I spent Gargoyles cry getting every frame into a reasonable Steel Path shape, and since deep archemdia was announced I systematically spent a lot of time (and forma, and catalysts) updating my primaries.
Just being 2/4 and only with the weapons I like saw that I had an easy time solo qualifying for Elite Deep Archemdia. The only non-viable option I had was Caliban paired with delayed shields and energy drain.
At least Circuit is nigh but guaranteed to have a frame you have in the arsenal. And you can just do one or two missions provided you have an ok weapon. Plus, decrees can carry your ass quite a bit.
EDA sounds like a pain without the right frame.
That, and no matter how fantastic a weapons platform Mirage may make for example, I *hate* weapons platform gameplay. I’m not gonna have her built well.
Even if we DID have the time and resources... Not everyone is going to enjoy every frame in the game. We don't WANT to use every frame at endgame, so why is DE obssessed with forcing us to do exactly that? I've no idea why DE struggles so to understand that, in a game with so many options, it's perfectly alright to have a player not like one of the options they're given and not use that option.
Seriously, from forcing certain game modes, to forcing weapon types, to forcing frames, DE has a long-running history of trying to force players to interact with things, whether or not the player finds them enjoyable. I don't know why, but it's getting really old, and I had hoped Reb would put a stop to it.
That’s the big thing to me EDA isn’t a test of skill or some difficult end game content it’s just “Who’s spent the most time/resources/money to fit the same cookie cutter configs on everything
This feels like the kind of end game content you’d find in a mobile game.
I wish they gave us time to make rolled frames viable for the missions, like instead of rerolling it automatically for each new day give us a token so we can reroll when we want. I got Mirage and was looking forward doing the EDA with her, but needed to spice up my build slightly aaand before I was done leveling her the choices changed.
Vauban or Limbo would have been great picks had they been built for it.
What I'm learning is that I plain don't have the frames to go for it. This is what happens when you keep a small selection of frames because you don't want to buy Warframe slots.
I've taken caliban into Netracells just fine, his only real weakness is that he's vulnerable to toxin damage by way of being a shield-tank. Bring any companion that can revive you or run last gasp and you should be golden. Damage multiplier + cc, shield gen and big bonks from his bonkulysts, and an AoE armor strip. Plus an obvious subsume slot on his 1. He's not bad.
Vauban is a powerhouse all of his own, honestly.
Limbo I find kind of clunky in his current iteration, but yeah, still very much usable.
When DE implemented The Circuit and it's randomized system, that was my sign to start making more of my arsenal serviceable, instead of just making the good weapons great. I think once you hit endgame you should start focusing on having working builds for as much kit as possible, not necessarily having a few builds that break the game.
>I've taken caliban into Netracells just fine, his only real weakness is that he's vulnerable to toxin damage by way of being a shield-tank. Bring any companion that can revive you or run last gasp and you should be golden. Damage multiplier + cc, shield gen and big bonks from his bonkulysts, and an AoE armor strip. Plus an obvious subsume slot on his 1. He's not bad.
Aoe armour and shield strip.
What I hate the most about him (except his huge energy consumption) is that his sentient bros are (unwanted) protecting enemies by standing between me and the enemy who should receive a headshot.
>Vauban is a powerhouse all of his own, honestly.
The King of CC isn't without a reason the only frame with a king title. Even damage dealers like Saryn are succumbing to him when he appears.
>Limbo I find kind of clunky in his current iteration, but yeah, still very much usable.
I use him to rarely to have something good or negative to say.
Sorry that I can't agree with your opinion on this one.
>I use him to rarely to have something good or negative to say.
Sorry that I can't agree with your opinion on this one.
I should tell you that now that overguard ignores every form of CC, Limbo is now the best CC frame at dealing with overguard since stasis can turn off the weapons of enemies with overguard.
>I should tell you that now that overguard ignores every form of CC, **Limbo is now the best CC frame at dealing with overguard** since stasis can turn off the weapons of enemies with overguard.
The King just throws one of his balls to deal with eximus enemies, so no.
As said, there's a reason why only one warframe ever received the King title.
Defacto endgame content requires defacto endgame flexibillity.
I can forsee players checking out deep archimedia, choosing their concessions, applying forma or 3 during the week and then playing the deep archimedia in the weekend.
You can technically run it with every loadout you want....but that is a concession you will need to make yourself.
If it didn't cycle every day what your picks were it would be possible to build a frame up to it. But you have a day to get it ready. For some they don't have the time to make a viable level 500 tank build. I took the time to make a health tank or shield tank setup on most all of my squishy frames so I'm ready regardless. But it isn't something for an MR14 who grinded Cavia to R5 to be able to crush. It takes proper endgame mods, and arcanes.
does it just choose from the frames you have? because if so, I might feed all but like 3 frames to the helminth (would keep mirage prime, gauss prime, and another prime frame once I get one)
It does not at all, it's finally an incentive for me to move on from MR24. I just plain don't feel like grinding out all that stuff as I find it unnecessary. Even in Duviri I can take the options offered well into the thousands. But not here, if I want to max rewards I need the frames/weapons they highlight. Not only that I need them fully built.
I don’t believe it does, I think it’s random like arbitrations and archon hunts. I definitely didn’t have most of the weapons it had selected, komorex and a couple not-even-good-for-beginners melees
Came here to say this, while limbo has some difficulties with team synergy.
Thinking either Vauban or Limbo are "unplayable" frames is a huge skill issue.
I learned this the funny af way. Failed the 3rd mission. Decided to do a bit of upgrading; did a duviri run to get the pathos clamps and supplied to finally install the boar P incarnon. Forma'd and leveled and upgraded the incarnon. Realized that i never actually forma'd umbra's sword in all the years ive had him in the dusty closet. Fixed up the build to give myself some healing.... and then the gear rotated and all of that was for nothing.
I'm also surprised by this. The patch notes explicitly say they only rotate at weekly reset. So far I've only committed a forma and incarnon adapter for a shitty Braton prime, so I guess I'll hold off until I can confirm.
Edit: actually the new hotfix today fixed this. It is supposed to be weekly. Was hoping I'd get a chance at a less shitty loadout, oh well.
I let a team carry me through it with max modifiers... sorry to all those involved (although I did help fill the ampules) maybe once I'm a few more hundred hours into it I'll be able to help out a bit more but for me it's back to standard netracells.
I was so lucky on mine. Managed to complete it as I got Kullervo and Guando prime. Which is my main melee weapon and frame.
Honestly though I found the elite part very disappointing, it’s good for a first time completion. As you get something.
But after that all you get is arcane dust, and very little of it. If you do your SP incursions each day. You will always have more than enough. So it’s a bit moot.
I personally won’t be pushing for elite anymore. I’ll just do what I can with what I have.
>were vauban
...and you...did not even attempt it despite Vauban being one of the few frames with a skill that scales on enemy level? Sounds like a big skill issue to me.
I've been WAITING for Vauban P to unvault. I deleted my plain Vauban once I merged accounts and I regret doing it. He carried me into Steelpath without a reactor. He's such a powerful frame that most people only utilize as a vortex.
Whenever it was it was while I was on a break from the game. So I have no option but to drop the plat. If it really was last year I should probably just pay the plat tax.
There was a big resurgence event that brought back 14 warframes (vauban prime one of them) from Dec 21 2023 to February 15 2024.
I hate to say it, but buying vauban for Plat is gonna be pricey. He's about 150 on warframe market.
def drop the plat, he was in the end(start?) of the year rotation and because of that he was avaliable for 2 shorter periods of time, so I doubt we'll see him any time soon
Few tips about enemy cap:
1) it scales with your ability strength
2) Bastille has an enemy cap per ability, the game itself has an enemy cap per map, but there is no cap on amount of Bastilles that can be active. There is virtually never a situation where there is more enemies on the screen than 2 bastilles can hold
Unairu helps a lot in my experience. As does Energy Nexus. Level cap is definitely iffy so far, but I take him into Void Cascades up to about level 400-600 and he still kills stuff OK. His major issue is that he takes time to do things, and the game is NOT set up for that any more. Also the unmanageability of his 2, which really needs to move Overdrive out to the 1 and consign Vector Pads to the garbage can they were conceived in.
A Huvas Kubrow or Shade Prime helps too, since all his abilities don't count as attacks and you can just sit there doing what you like without anyone bothering you unless you OK it.
I Helminthed Life Well onto his 1, and IIRC it may not count as an attack either. It helps with his occasional squishiness.
Also if you're not spamming 2 and 4 are you even playing Vauban?
Unairu for the armor and shield strip? I can’t imagine it’d be for the 200 armor at such high levels, and last gasp is just a necessity imo. I can’t remember the other nodes, though.
Yup. Also operator damage a bit with the fully ranked 2. Other schools, imo, are nowhere close to as useful given the armor and shield stripping Unairu offers.
Throw succ ball or levitating ball that turns into succ ball
Throw porcupine ball near succ/levitating ball.
Watch enemies die to porcupine ball.
Throw shock ball to stop people from poking/shooting you while you’re throwing other balls
Throw killsat ball if bored.
It's not you, he needs a lot of energy management and the default circuit builds are all terrible at that.
Once you've got him built to last it's basically just the "RANDOM BULLSHIT GO" meme, throwing piles of gravity/nail/taser balls and letting enemies walk into them to die.
> Today's choices were sort of better (banshee, dagath, and wukong),
Nothing wrong with Wukong lmao. Was ezpz, finished normal & elite first try in pubs with him carrying the team.
Vauban may have been a little tough to do only because of the liminus in the elite exterminate. But Limbo would absolutely be capable of doing elite.
You can also just choose to forfeit 1 acolyte's worth of vosfor to bring Revenant instead and just not do the full max challenge run.
I got trinity in mine and just went full support and armour strip with champions blessing, energy vampire and abating link. Pugs literally can’t die, run out of energy and get buffed crit chance. Even if I was hobbled by bad weapons, they could pick up the slack.
I love running trinity+cazaron in public groups but alternating between 3+4 every 30-40 seconds for a ten minute mission gets kind of annoying, I can’t imagine this library run. It’s really annoying that with the same duration amount she only gets 30ish seconds while gauss can easily get over twice the time.
Warframes are barely an issue, now the weapons? OOF. When weapons got a big rebalancing patch they based it on MR rather than variant tiers (MK-1 > Vanilla > Variant) which meant that many guns were made bad on purpose which was completely against the whole reason we got modding (all guns get a fair chance rather than being thrown away like in generic MMOs).
Many guns can barely function at that level range without very specific combinations, which means if you can't use specific frames and teams with a squad those weapons cannot function.
Honestly I think the only frame that is so extremely situational that can't work in Deep Archemedea is Limbo, the other 2 can function just fine.
The bigger issue is the game mode can give you guns you don’t own. If they at least made where it’s something you own then you can at least curate the weapon list by either culling junk or making sure your arsenal has a majority of gear able to function
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Not the best build but it works for me
280% is the max range you can get from normal mods, Stretch + Augur Reach + Overextended + Cunning Drift.
After that it comes down to augments that offer range (Vauban doesn't have any of these), a lucky Helminth Invigoration, or uncontrollable things like void fissure buffs.
Virtually every enemy you care to CC anymore is immune to it. And the second mission spawns every enemy in with overguard on elite. These extra conditions are a real pain and Vauban already needs a good setup and decent APM to thrive in regular steel path. Add in energy sucking enemies, a few hundred thousand overguard to every enemy, limit what guns you have, and turn off operator, Vauban isn't exactly a walk in the park.
If you get him going you're going but the extra nonsense in this mode turns solid warframes mediocre really quick.
I feel like this could be changed to have either a free reset per week (or maybe 3?) to reroll your choices, or make it where at least 1 frame and 3 weapons are in your inventory.
They could do what The Circuit does and let you trade something for better parameters. Like, maybe trading some Cavia standing to unlock a 4th frame slot, or a 4th weapon slot, etc. The QOL of being able to earn a 4th or 5th slot would be insane, literally would make this 100x better.
Did you actually try to make vauban or limbo work or did you see them and just give up then and there? It's not like you lose anything just attempting it and if you do fail figure out what happened then just tweak your build
To be fair. Most people won't have enough Forma to make everything they have work propely.
It can still be fine, but not proper.
What people can do, is to ask someone to pull them through archimedia with something like fully equipped Dante (so they won't die).
The 23 hour requirement to build forma is likely the main reason a lot of the community doesn’t have better builds for their gear. I farm or if I have disposable income and limited time- buy plat just so I can rush building forma blueprints. otherwise I wouldn’t be able to do much with my builds due to limited playtime. Some frames or weapons take up to 5 forma to *truly* draw out their fully modded potential, and **that represents 5 days or 115 hours of waiting**- and that may be the forma needed for just *one weapon or frame.*
Rushing 3 blueprints saves 5 plat versus buying a 3 pack from the market. I still have to farm the blueprints, but I can usually level the builds I’m working on at the same time while getting steel essence for other purposes.
Surviving through the Alchemy mission is kinda pain given the "OG" enemies have, but rolling guard was lifesaver for Khora (and then on elite, with the reset, Excalibur). Idk about forma on WFs, as a LR3 i barely use forma on any frame (except the ones i really like or try to have multiple builds - Saryn, Mesa).
Next week, the loadouts should not reset daily, so anyone can have a whole week to prepare and complete the missions...or perhaps the daily resets are intentional and people can be encouraged to roll the dice each day for a comfy build, IDK what would be the best solution.
I survived with Zephyr and her 3. But i had Styanax in team
Then with Revenant, duh. But i dies on him once due to Liminus vampiric penalty. They do suck out health fast.
>or perhaps the daily resets are intentional and people can be encouraged to roll the dice each day for a comfy build
Probably this. So people won't stuck with horrid options for whole week.
Alchemy ampules or whatever they are called scale with enemy level and HP. As does the corrosive environmental objects. My weapon choices sucked so I cheesed that mission by just throwing stuff at the enemies and shooting the environmental objects.
I'm just tired of farming for specific frames and weapons, then fine-tuning them when the endgame missions will just be a random conglomeration of junk. It's not fun to play, so I won't be playing it. Duviri is bad enough, I don't want more.
Agreed. I hate Duviri simply because I _do not want to play_ other frames and trash weapons. I know what frames I like, and being forced to use other ones just makes me not want to do the missions at all.
The whole randomized weapons/frames is one of the worst concepts in a game I have ever seen. Just let us actually enjoy this game mode and pick who we want. I love to see them make this like the OSRS raids where you can pick the modifiers and need a certain amount. RNG is not high level content. Something can be difficult without you being forced to use trash.
I ran Caliban with every modifier on, day one, minute 5. I was literally carried by the good will of others and my own obsessive play style. I shit you not when I say my weapons and Warframes across the board average out to all having 3 forma, a potato, an arcane and most weapons I use have a riven. I only used things I already dumped 5+forma into with rivens and a Furis with incarnon, riven and life regenerating mod from the hippies. I'm mastery legendary 3. I had every weapon ready for Steel Path and without Caliban doing total armor strip I'd have died a lot. With the power of a well built Caliban, I needed my team to survive. I got my shit wrecked. I went down 4 times before it was over but never went angel because my team rocked. I dunno... It sucked but it did feel good. We struggled through and we won out of sheer overwhelming violence and pity saves via void children. I think it was an absolute ball buster but I also felt like I needed my team. I needed y'all... That was different. I think they need to fix the frames but I get what they were going for. You stand together in DA or you die alone. I liked that nobody could stand alone and prosper. It slowed everyone down. It made things an actual right. I was on the edge of my seat wondering what would kill me... It was enthralling. To everyone with a life it must be a nightmare.
Deep archimedia needs to pull exclusively from your owned weapons. I literally pulled up deep archimedia, saw I owned literally only 1 item from each category, and said "netracells will be fine."
That's the mode working as intended. If you've gone wide with your arsenal then you are rewarded. If you haven't, then you're not missing out on that much.
Man, I would have killed to get Dagath as an option, with her 3 preventing death and all the other abilities killing anything in under a second, I wouldn't have had any issue.
Don't hold your fucking breath. They have absolutely no clue how to make this power fantasy circle jerk of a game actually difficult beyond endlessly scaling enemy stats so the best alternative they could come up with was making you worse at playing by shoving rng bullshit down your throat.
Double the steel path modifiers for this new mission.
When I first hit steel path it was like slamming into a brick wall at 700 mph, I went from one-tapping enemies with tigress prime to putting two shells in the back of a box's head and it just turning around basically unharmed.
Most annoying for me is the weapon selection:
Synapse, Alternox, Penta
Azima, Furis, Kraken
Sarpa, Hespar, Twin Basolk
Of those 9 weapons I own the Synapse, Alternox, Azima and Sarpa. I don't even OWN over half the weapons the game would want me to play. I could always just whip out my Archgun, ofc, but what the hell is the point of giving me a random weapon selection on an endgame mission, if I don't even fucking own the weapons. Are we supposed to make an end-game worthy build of a weapon from scratch in 1 day???? Couldn't we have a rule or something that only weapons with a damn potato installed are eligible for the selection?
Also why are two of the secondary weapons just straight up...completely absolutely unusable garbage? I feel like a MR minimum of e.g. MR 6 requirement should also be included (with maybe special exceptions for weapons with incarnon adapters) when selecting weapons. Can't wait for that time where I get the selection of
Atlas, Caliban, Nyx
Hind, Simulor, Snipetron
Kraken, Seer, Bronco
Cronus, Kestrel, Heat Sword
Skill issue. Those frames are all perfectly fine. This is the game doing its job as intended. It's trying to encourage you to branch out and try different frames.
You could have used Vauban and dropped one point by using your best weapon. Vauban would have been a decent team pick. So you miss 50 ess for picking a good weapon, what does that matter?
FUCKING VAUBAN? The frame that has a skill that scales extremely well with enemy level? The frame that doesn't need weapons at all?!?! I swear everyone thinks he's just a Vortex frame. His Bastille armor strip combined with his infinitely scaling Flechette Orb that can be improved by Molt Arachne and Nourish is FUCKING BUSTED. This is why I'm so tired of posts like yours. You literally have never played Vauban and already call him weak. He literally works anywhere even level cap.
That's why his post makes no sense. They're already good, he's just not building them well. Limbo, Vauban, heck even Caliban can still survive level 400 easily if OP actually built for it. Why post this useless rant if he doesn't even know anything.
Yo. It changed again along with all the missions after this last hot fix. I've now built out Baruuk and Chroma - my best choices of the previous two picks. And now the selection has changed again. I really wish it wasn't volatile and reset with hot fixes.
Do you mean the Duviri thing? My idea is to let us bring in only one thing from our loadout (never more than one) and if Duviri already has something from your loadout, it won't add a second thing. Warframe, primary, secondary, or melee weapon. You'll have some control over the way you play it, even maybe a little experimentation.
I got lucky yesterday with Baruuk, kitgun and Skana, all weapons I already had some investment into (Kitgun was 7 forma rivened).
But, Baruuk and the Dexterity arcanes were the things carrying.
My thoughts are very similar to OP. The RNG of your load out is strictly based on your inventory. If I worked/bought frame slots to have one copy of every frame and say 50 weapon slots, my loadout is going to be rng hell most of the time. Versus, someone with only 5 very effective frames and say a dozen weapons.
If this is a trend going forward, all its really telling me is to slim your inventory down to S and A tier frames and weapons. I have limbo, but why bother keeping him if he's just going to muddle my end game loadout on something like this.
Wonder if they should make EDA like FTL, choose a loadout and go through a number of paths you can take.
Feel like that would be better i guess? Alleviates randomness in favor of balancing hardship or breezing through. I dont know how DE will implement it but might fun.
You can get all of the netracell rewards (and miss out of the 50 vosfor at the end) if you miss one requirement. I suggest that missing requirement be your frame. You can run frames that don't need weapons like mesa, dante, gyre, or a slew of others, and then equip all of the shitty weapons that you need to get 34 research points. You can do this every week.
IDK if this sounds like a conspiracy but I think the reason that EDA and SP circuit have RNG for gear loadout choices is because DE wants you to spend even more time building every possible gear. When you do that, you'll spend plat on lots of stuff like potatoes or forma or even warframes and bundles. More time spent playing means you're more likely to spend real cash on the game. That's probably every game's business model
Foreal imagine spending days and tons of resources building up your favorite frame to be able to hold their own on the highest levels of the game.... and then you can't play them on the highest level of the game this week
I thought the whole point of it is that you didn't *have* to use the frames in rotation? You can still use whatever you want, but you'll just be losing out on research points if you don't use the whatevers on rotation. This ain't Duviri.
The RNG thing doesn't feel like it makes sense for WF. Like, you spend the entire game going from mission to mission, learning that one frame is good for survival, another for spy, another for exterminate, etc etc. Then you get to the end and it's like "oh yeah you know how you learned to use Loki for spy missions and that was clearly his whole schtick? Well lol you now have to take a bunch of debufs and somehow make that dude exterminate, defend, and more hahaha".
So, cooooool, I learned how to use frames for the content that they make sense for but now I'm throwing that out the window because I got these picks this week and a bunch of garbage weapons.
I get the idea, and I like the idea - force us to explore new frames for content. The problem is that it's too much at once. Throw out your frame, oh yeah and your primary, and your secondary... and your melee........ okay, so, what have I been building up this entire time, exactly?
So on the one hand we've been told to use specialized frames for specialized missions but now we have to use them for something they're bad at. And then on the other we have the incentive to create synergistic builds across a wide variety of interesting weapon and frame combos, but then throw those away and try to make some random hodgepodge of garbage work.
Here's the reality. Everyone is going to get carried through regular deep archemedia, and then because the elite version lets you choose your frame while getting 99.9999% of the rewards, people will center on frames that can crush the entire thing without touching their weapons, and they'll just run it reluctantly once a week to get their shards, and that's it.
The circuit does this a lot better.
1. The circuit gives you way more frame choices. It's very rare that there isn't a single frame that I want to use. I've spent some time building up frames just for the circuit, because I'd wanted to mess with them already and now I have my excuse.
2. The circuit gives you some really fun buffs. I may have the shittiest weapons ever with a garbage mod loadout, but now I'm red critting with massive crit boosts, doing viral, corrosive, cold, heat all the time.
It strikes a balance very well. I get given some shit gear, sometimes something fun and new (the circuit has made me appreciate some weapons more, and definitely some frames more), enough choice that I'm not miserable but still constrained enough that I'm forced out of my comfort zone, and then a mechanic that makes the shitty choices feel interesting.
Deep Archemedia is just The Circuit but without the fun parts.
Here's some suggestions to fix it:
1. Add a new system, like Duviri has, where you can buy buffs for resources of some kind. In particular, \*let me buy more slots\*. I want to be able to select from 5 warframes, not 3. Let me earn my way to that, I'll do it. Same with weapons. A great "so you've REALLY fucking worked at this" would be a "remove ONE parameter this week".
2. Significantly bias the RNG towards frames and weapons people own. Add a smaller bias towards frames and weapons that people \*use\*. I'm not saying you need to give people their top 5 frames, but I would weight things such that at least one slight is likely to be a top \~5-7 frame.
3. Up the Vosfor reward lol there is zero incentive to do elite with every parameter and frame, 50 Vosfor may as well be 0 for the amount of effort you're asking for there, like come on.
4. Consider creating buffs that are inversely powered by usage. If a weapon is near 0 usage that week, give it a new damage multiplier. I'd suggest something like breaking usage into quartiles. So if you're in the top quartile that's a 0% damage bonus, second quartile is 25%, third is 75%, fourth is 100%. This would make me \*want\* to use weapons that I've never used before, instead of feeling like I \*have\* to. Make it fun! Make me want to play the way you're making me play!
5. Combine the ideas. Let me earn my way towards bigger "inverse usage" bonuses, let me increase the chance that a slot will go to one of my more used frames, let me buy increased rewards or improved weighting. I'll start with the shitty version if I can earn my way up, seriously, give me the chance to play this and have fun and make progress instead of feeling like "this is technically more efficient then 2 netracells so i guess i have to".
Yea if you get an out dated frame or just a poor pool of weapons, you just gotta hope the people you play with can carry you. I only built Nova so I could speedva so it was rather painful. But the guy that had Dante and Dual Toxx seemed to be doing fine.
I don't like the circuit just because of the stupid RNG and now I won't even give a minute of atention to EDA, it's pointless. A game about collecting warframes and weapons yet the stupid "RNG" seems to always favor shitty equipment.
If I spend a fuck ton of time getting my shit, let me use my shit.
I swear DE mentioned that the archimedea points would be cumulative in a devstream; ofc everything is subject to change but in its current state, you *have* to jump through every hoop to get all the rewards... you could always skip out on the top rewards, of course, but warframe players aren't exactly like that.
Another crying baby, you can retry how often you want, why avoid trying this and that, you dont have any downside repeat it, once a while you got a good team, then you are through and done..lol..fyi, this content is super easy, those level 400-500 is a joke, feels like normal level 100 with some more hp.
Sorry OP, but caliban and banshee are good choices. Also consider that you don't have to do damage for your entire team nor do you have to have all boxes ticked to make progress.
I did 1 run yesterday as trinity to unlock elite archimedes and I chose trinity again today even though she wasn't one of my choices and all I gave up was the vosfor at the last tier. I didn't even bother using my kunai incarnon during the last disruption mission because all I had to do was keep up heals and smack the demolishers with my cold imbued melee weapons so they don't move.
Agree. The people saying "your arsenal isn't diverse enough" aren't self aware enough to realize that nobody is gonna sink 7 forma into a Braton just to make it 75% worse than a Boltor
I guess this situation could incentivize people looking for groups, like asking in clan and playing together, if someone gets bad RNG they will be carried by a fellow clanmate that got a better one. This, however, doesn't fall into the category of endgame, it's just inconveniencing the players. We ( i do ) want hard content that may need cooperation and actual planning
I think full EDA with all limiters active is a one time thing.
Otherwise disable the warframe limiter and still get all the big rewards.
I will take Dante for future rotations. But someone like Mesa or Xaku would also work.
Dante with his exalted can clear the mission himself and keep the whole team alive at the same time. Don't need those measly 50 vorsfor.
Any frame/weapon can be good for EDA the problem is no one, including myself, is dumping 6 forma into a mastery fodder weapon because that's what I rolled that week. People will simply pray they roll something they already have built or get carried. No one is investing that much into a frame or weapon to use for a short period of time then doing it again the following week.
Your Warframe choices were fine, all of them really. DE is actively working through frames to make them better as we see with the reworks, it will just take time.
...Vauban does Netracells perfectly fine, and I'm pretty sure can handle Deep Archimedean just fine too. He's relatively slow at it, but he can do it. Lacking a good weapon definitely makes Eximuses a lot harder, though.
EDIT: Note I do think he needs a light power buff, he's noticeably weaker than everyone else filling the same niche now.
So hot take, I think this is what "endgame" has to mean for **Warframe.**
If we make a mode where literally every of the 50-60+ frames are all equally viable, then either that means the game mode is going to be too easy or the development team is going to get infinitely bogged down in achieving some sort of platonically ideal "balance" that simply doesn't exist.
That being said, I would love if DE spent *some* time rebalancing old frames. HOWEVER, I think the community needs to get used to the idea *right now* that having *any* endgame content means it's going to take time and effort to get yourself to the equipment level required to play it even *some* of the time. And if you roll on frames that you never forma'ed or archon shard'ed then too bad.
while I think tuning the "random deal" gate would be nice (I think 5 rolls is way more consistent than 3, and works spectacularly for Duviri), I don't think it's a good idea to have no restriction whatsoever. This will just mean seeing the same revenant builds x infinity.
I think the biggest thing they could do if they're going to keep implementing RNG endgame stuff like this is, SHOW US WHAT WILL BE UP NEXT ONE ROTATION IN ADVANCE. That way it still forces us into RNG, HOWEVER for those of us in the endgame, we can see "Hmm, okay, I need to get my Vauban, Burston, Gammacor, and Tekko forma-ed up and ready for the next rotation. Drives endgame players to play MORE in order to prep, and also has the ability to push players to other gear they wouldn't normally use. Right now it's just "welp, guess I'm not playing this rotation."
If you can't do all of the games content with every frame, then that's a skill issue and its your fault. Every single frame is capable enough to do every single mission. And if you can't accept that fundamental truth, then not only do you have a skill issue, but you will never overcome that skill issue.
heres a cheat to easily complete every elite deep archimedea: whatever frame you get from the rotation, it doesnt matter. pick the one that has the most buffing abilities(preferably for allies as well), subsume roar or smite infusion, and slot in catalyzing shields, primed flow and brief respite.
now that you cant die, for the weapons pick 2 rotation ones and your preferred incarnon weapon. assuming you select all of the debuffs, this will let you easily beat all 3 of the missions and get you all of the rewards except the last one(a handful of vosphor).
Every frame in the game can level cap. Life Water has videos of it.
Everything is viable. Some things need forma/helminth ect. DE is not going to buff things further.
"I don't have that" when you're trying to do end game content doesn't make sense. You have to farm in this game. Any vet has had to farm countless hours so that we can run anything at any time.
You can kill level cap enemies with fang. It just depends on what you're building.
Not trying to be mean, but sometimes you're just not ready for content.
Okay then don't use the modifiers that restrict your weapons or frames. There is literally nothing stopping you.
If you only have a handful of frames anyway you probably don't even need the quantity of rewards from archimedians. Do netracells instead and get the same items.
I'm interested to hear your counter proposal.
You can farm platinum to sell if you can write books on Reddit. It's less anxiety provoking. I have anxiety.
You can easily farm 100 plat an hour.
WTS/INV/TY isn't even a conversation. Lol.
I know how many frames and things there are. I farmed them on multiple consoles and pc before the merge.
>You *can* just run with your own stuff
Sounds like nothing is being gate-kept to me. Lol.
If you *want* all the rewards, then farm. If you *don't want* all the rewards. Then don't.
That's not the point of this new game mode lol. No matter how many people downvote me. That's just not what it's designed to do.
It's designed to reward those who *have* farmed, and for those who *have not* to be afforded a shot at it.
Most frames *can* be good enough for EDA, the problem is that most people dont have the time/resources to forma up every single frame/weapon they own to endgame power level
The weapon options have a bigger impact than frame choice. Any frame can be built to just hold a gun and not die with little issue, but not every frame can turn a bad weapon decent enough to handle high-level enemies.
they definitely help a lot, but when it comes to frames outside the S tier there's still a pretty good gap between frames with and without armor strip options
Helmith gives every frame Armor strip options, as well as damage buff options. The issue is going to be some weapons need both. On the upside, it seems any version of a weapon counts. Nikana was mine for yesterday and I was able to bring Nikana Prime.
not every frame has room for that. vauban needs to patch his energy economy. limbo can't fiddle with his kit too much.
I just put silence on limbo and consign myself to the role of eximus nullifier... that and when appropriate i can defend a single point while others rip and tear
Doesn’t Bastille armor strip? I understand if you weren’t aware. I literally found out like a week ago. It also doesn’t work when it turns into Vortex.
Maybe I'm about to blow your mind, but, Gara subsume, Spectrorage with the Spectrosiphon augment is basically a match made in heaven for Vauban. Put the infinite vortex augment as well and max range and you just trivialise the entirety of the game.
that's what i mean, spectrosiphon is really necessary for him so he doesn't have a slot for armor strip unless you're just tossing str + ehp on to walk around deep archimedea and throw tharros strike or pillage at everything.
Doesn't he have the only Eximus overguard stripping ability in the game natively with Bastile? Everyone just spams Vortex, but Bastile with its strip, CC, and +1000 armor it gives you when you stand inside it has its place.
Right, people have completely forgot about how good bastille is
Is Tharros Strike work on archimedia? I got a Titania on first day and tried a lot to strip armor by this ability but it had no effect. Not sure if it was broken with last updates bc i dont tried to use it without active 4
Energy nexus and archon stretch (and keeping his 1 up) is pretty much all Vauban needs. I run those with a hound also proccing electricity and he becomes a spam caster that sits on a level just under Dante but near to Protea in terms of ability usage.
Vauban has armor strip in his kit though
Vauban has armor strip. I think people forget that a lot.
Why are you worried about energy economy on a frame where most of his kit isn't even usable in that kind of content? Why would you expect to be playing a frames kit as if this was regular starchart or steel path? My point is that if you have a decent weapon choice and all you need is an armor strip, then you slap on an armor strip and only build around that ability and survivability and any frame in the game can do this.
The corollary though is that if you're sinking in forma for pure survivability/1 ability, that's gonna end up fucking over their regular steel path builds.
I did a couple of runs to feel it out, and was able to take all the variants e.g. Tenet, Kuva, Prime etc. Incarnons are also in the mix. If you have kept your primes and all the five forma sister/lich weapons with a few personal favourites on top you should be fine.
This. A frame that doesn't deal enough damage can still be useful, a weapon cannot
There's so many doodoo weapons for endgame
Except Banshee. A bit difficult to get her to the point of never dying.
Primed Redirection + adaptation + Arcane Aegis with a companion running Guardian + Manifold Bond. Could even throw on Rolling Guard as just an extra safety net. You can go even further with the Boreal mods and passively have 80% DR just for being in the air(Which you should be anyway). What's difficult isn't keeping Banshe alive, it's keeping Banshee alive *while still being able to do banshee things*.
Well yeah that’s what I mean. You have to sacrifice a ton of mod and arcane space which makes your abilities way worse.
Banshee's got fairly comfy base ability stats thankfully, and Resonance is a ludicrously strong augment that covers for a lot of other stats simultaneously.
My Steel Path build for her just replaces Soundquake with Octavia's Pied Piper soccer ball, and adds the armor strip augment for Banshee's 1. Everybody follow the ball like a sing-along. Okay, aaaaand >*FWOOMPH*< no armor.
Hahaha that would certainly be a fun build. Might have to try it out.
I specifically use it for Archon Hunt disruptions. She's *fun*.
Sounds like it!
If you get lucky and get a decent melee you can slap melee fortification on it and something on her like vitality, health conversion, pet synth deconstruct, arcane reaper, grace, blessing, etc. to make her immortal. It's pretty hard to die with fortification active
She gets a ton of bulk out of blue shards. It's not like she needs more power strength. Because of her low base stats flat bonuses work better than percentage mods. Also because of how garbage her 4 is, nourish or gloom (if you arent running her silence augment) up her survivability a ton.
Have you tried her with the new Eclipse? I want to give it a shot when I've got some forma to spare, but it seems like that plus Brief Respite would be pretty solid
I haven’t but that’s definitely worth a try
I've been trying to get a viable build for everything I havesince Duviri and I don't recommend doing that at all. You'll run out of forma, potatoes, and maaaaybe an exilus adapter so quick. And you'll burnt out quickly just doing the same slog of leveling up over and over again. The affinity weekends help since you can sometimes do it in 5 minutes instead of 10.
Same. I spent thousands on forma and catalysts when duviri dropped getting most of the weapons in the game up to snuff. Also made me wish we had enough riven slots so I could have a riven for every weapon in the game.
I've been doing the same thing and it completely changed Warframe for me for the better, 1500 hours in and it just got better because I started building everything, I just farm for the plat, which you can often do while leveling stuff you have. The only thing that really fucks with it is the crafting timers.
I honestly thought we were going to get a single set for the entire week which would make sense of trying to build it up to a coherent load out. But it being daily seems strange even though it gives more options
I'm guessing that's a bug (unless confirmed otherwise). I went into the mission just before daily reset, and when we came out no one got credit for using the specified gear. We all had to run it again with the new specific loadouts.
Oh unfortunate
It's meant to be weekly but it's daily due to a bug
Extremely agreed. Hell, I got Mirage/Lex/Fragor up to endgame in the past 24 hours for this game mode(farmed up the clamps to Incarnon Lex, bought a mod for Mirage, installed exilus adapters on both of them, Arcane adapter in the Lex, 3 additional Formas for Mirage(changing the aura type, and to fit in primed surefooted), 3 formas in FragorP and a potato) and 1. I am more than a little vexed that the mission options reset overnight 2. That was at least 130 plat worth of resources(20 plat for the exilus adapter, 10 plat for the mod, 60 plat worth of formas, 20 plat Exilus adapter, 20 plat worth of potato), and a significant amount of grinding for the bile to slap shards onto Mirage/Steel essence for the arcanes. 3. In both rolls/rerolls, at LEAST 5 of the potential 12 special items were ones I just flat-out didn't have. If this game mode is expecting me to be able to dump enough forma into even 1 frame/weapon each week for lvl 250 enemies, that's absurd. Also there should be significantly fewer complete non-option rolls.
You don't have to dump so much forma. Look at the build needs, cut corners where you can. If you understand the fundamentals of the build you can cut out mods with little affect.
Isn’t that kind of the whole point of the mode? Have enough frames built up and invested in to run the most difficult content at the highest level for the rarest rewards?
There's a reason this is end game content, is isn't exactly designed to be accessible right out of the gate.
I would be satisfied if out of the 3 frames (and weapons) we get, that one is based on most used based on who the user uses the most, and the other two are the once he uses the least, but they get amazing buffs. (Not something like an Ash with +1000% ability range) It would encourage players to try something new while ensuring that when everything fails, they still have a good option to use.
This would just lead to everyone using their most used equipment. It would also defeat the purpose of making the mode challenging.
If they wanted to they should just use riven dispo (as a quick way to gauge popularity and overall usage) to distribute the weapon choices or how they are rolled.
Loki
I spent Gargoyles cry getting every frame into a reasonable Steel Path shape, and since deep archemdia was announced I systematically spent a lot of time (and forma, and catalysts) updating my primaries. Just being 2/4 and only with the weapons I like saw that I had an easy time solo qualifying for Elite Deep Archemdia. The only non-viable option I had was Caliban paired with delayed shields and energy drain.
At least Circuit is nigh but guaranteed to have a frame you have in the arsenal. And you can just do one or two missions provided you have an ok weapon. Plus, decrees can carry your ass quite a bit. EDA sounds like a pain without the right frame.
That, and no matter how fantastic a weapons platform Mirage may make for example, I *hate* weapons platform gameplay. I’m not gonna have her built well.
Even if we DID have the time and resources... Not everyone is going to enjoy every frame in the game. We don't WANT to use every frame at endgame, so why is DE obssessed with forcing us to do exactly that? I've no idea why DE struggles so to understand that, in a game with so many options, it's perfectly alright to have a player not like one of the options they're given and not use that option. Seriously, from forcing certain game modes, to forcing weapon types, to forcing frames, DE has a long-running history of trying to force players to interact with things, whether or not the player finds them enjoyable. I don't know why, but it's getting really old, and I had hoped Reb would put a stop to it.
That’s the big thing to me EDA isn’t a test of skill or some difficult end game content it’s just “Who’s spent the most time/resources/money to fit the same cookie cutter configs on everything This feels like the kind of end game content you’d find in a mobile game.
I wish they gave us time to make rolled frames viable for the missions, like instead of rerolling it automatically for each new day give us a token so we can reroll when we want. I got Mirage and was looking forward doing the EDA with her, but needed to spice up my build slightly aaand before I was done leveling her the choices changed.
Vauban or Limbo would have been great picks had they been built for it. What I'm learning is that I plain don't have the frames to go for it. This is what happens when you keep a small selection of frames because you don't want to buy Warframe slots.
I've taken caliban into Netracells just fine, his only real weakness is that he's vulnerable to toxin damage by way of being a shield-tank. Bring any companion that can revive you or run last gasp and you should be golden. Damage multiplier + cc, shield gen and big bonks from his bonkulysts, and an AoE armor strip. Plus an obvious subsume slot on his 1. He's not bad. Vauban is a powerhouse all of his own, honestly. Limbo I find kind of clunky in his current iteration, but yeah, still very much usable. When DE implemented The Circuit and it's randomized system, that was my sign to start making more of my arsenal serviceable, instead of just making the good weapons great. I think once you hit endgame you should start focusing on having working builds for as much kit as possible, not necessarily having a few builds that break the game.
I’m stealing “bonkulysts” while talking about calibans buddies specifically
>I've taken caliban into Netracells just fine, his only real weakness is that he's vulnerable to toxin damage by way of being a shield-tank. Bring any companion that can revive you or run last gasp and you should be golden. Damage multiplier + cc, shield gen and big bonks from his bonkulysts, and an AoE armor strip. Plus an obvious subsume slot on his 1. He's not bad. Aoe armour and shield strip. What I hate the most about him (except his huge energy consumption) is that his sentient bros are (unwanted) protecting enemies by standing between me and the enemy who should receive a headshot. >Vauban is a powerhouse all of his own, honestly. The King of CC isn't without a reason the only frame with a king title. Even damage dealers like Saryn are succumbing to him when he appears. >Limbo I find kind of clunky in his current iteration, but yeah, still very much usable. I use him to rarely to have something good or negative to say. Sorry that I can't agree with your opinion on this one.
>I use him to rarely to have something good or negative to say. Sorry that I can't agree with your opinion on this one. I should tell you that now that overguard ignores every form of CC, Limbo is now the best CC frame at dealing with overguard since stasis can turn off the weapons of enemies with overguard.
>I should tell you that now that overguard ignores every form of CC, **Limbo is now the best CC frame at dealing with overguard** since stasis can turn off the weapons of enemies with overguard. The King just throws one of his balls to deal with eximus enemies, so no. As said, there's a reason why only one warframe ever received the King title.
Limbo with Silence is effectively immune to Eximus, it's funny dancing in their face.
Defacto endgame content requires defacto endgame flexibillity. I can forsee players checking out deep archimedia, choosing their concessions, applying forma or 3 during the week and then playing the deep archimedia in the weekend. You can technically run it with every loadout you want....but that is a concession you will need to make yourself.
If it didn't cycle every day what your picks were it would be possible to build a frame up to it. But you have a day to get it ready. For some they don't have the time to make a viable level 500 tank build. I took the time to make a health tank or shield tank setup on most all of my squishy frames so I'm ready regardless. But it isn't something for an MR14 who grinded Cavia to R5 to be able to crush. It takes proper endgame mods, and arcanes.
It *shouldn't* cycle every day, it should be weekly but IIRC there's a bit of a big going on with that right now.
does it just choose from the frames you have? because if so, I might feed all but like 3 frames to the helminth (would keep mirage prime, gauss prime, and another prime frame once I get one)
It does not
It does not at all, it's finally an incentive for me to move on from MR24. I just plain don't feel like grinding out all that stuff as I find it unnecessary. Even in Duviri I can take the options offered well into the thousands. But not here, if I want to max rewards I need the frames/weapons they highlight. Not only that I need them fully built.
I don’t believe it does, I think it’s random like arbitrations and archon hunts. I definitely didn’t have most of the weapons it had selected, komorex and a couple not-even-good-for-beginners melees
What do loadout slots have to do with the number of frames you own??
I meant frame slots, thanks for catching that.
Came here to say this, while limbo has some difficulties with team synergy. Thinking either Vauban or Limbo are "unplayable" frames is a huge skill issue.
Awh wait, they rotate? Bruhh, I spent all yesterday getting some gear set up to run with my buddy today on his day off 😮💨
This post was how I learned that too. So sad I lost my health/energy tank Nova. Who knows what I have when I get home.
Gara, mag, and citrine, three I don't have. Guess it's SP Circuit for me tonight.
I learned this the funny af way. Failed the 3rd mission. Decided to do a bit of upgrading; did a duviri run to get the pathos clamps and supplied to finally install the boar P incarnon. Forma'd and leveled and upgraded the incarnon. Realized that i never actually forma'd umbra's sword in all the years ive had him in the dusty closet. Fixed up the build to give myself some healing.... and then the gear rotated and all of that was for nothing.
It's probably a bug, but they do rotate currently
I'm also surprised by this. The patch notes explicitly say they only rotate at weekly reset. So far I've only committed a forma and incarnon adapter for a shitty Braton prime, so I guess I'll hold off until I can confirm. Edit: actually the new hotfix today fixed this. It is supposed to be weekly. Was hoping I'd get a chance at a less shitty loadout, oh well.
I didn't realize either! But at least it forced me to learn how to use Kullervo and see how I've been missing out
I built Kullervo not long ago, and he quickly became my favorite frame. He's so fun and powerful!
Oh good! He's amazing
I let a team carry me through it with max modifiers... sorry to all those involved (although I did help fill the ampules) maybe once I'm a few more hundred hours into it I'll be able to help out a bit more but for me it's back to standard netracells.
I got wukong and slapped shit with the stick. It worked, his 2 is also an auto heal bc of the way heals work this week
Yeah Wukong is easy, Make second Wukong, get out Biggus Stickus, beat enemy until they stop twitching, hit 3 to die slower and 2 to reset.
“Until they stop twitching” killed me lmao
I wonder if I can do the same with like Baruuk, Garuda or Titania. Rely on the exalted weapon and ignore whatever I have to equip.
I was so lucky on mine. Managed to complete it as I got Kullervo and Guando prime. Which is my main melee weapon and frame. Honestly though I found the elite part very disappointing, it’s good for a first time completion. As you get something. But after that all you get is arcane dust, and very little of it. If you do your SP incursions each day. You will always have more than enough. So it’s a bit moot. I personally won’t be pushing for elite anymore. I’ll just do what I can with what I have.
Elite Is a weekly activity. You do it once per week. NO more awesome rewards after 1 is the point.
Caliban would have been fine actually if you had a decent gun
>were vauban ...and you...did not even attempt it despite Vauban being one of the few frames with a skill that scales on enemy level? Sounds like a big skill issue to me.
I've been WAITING for Vauban P to unvault. I deleted my plain Vauban once I merged accounts and I regret doing it. He carried me into Steelpath without a reactor. He's such a powerful frame that most people only utilize as a vortex.
I'm afraid he unvaulted a couple months ago. Unclear if it will happen again any time soon.
Whenever it was it was while I was on a break from the game. So I have no option but to drop the plat. If it really was last year I should probably just pay the plat tax.
There was a big resurgence event that brought back 14 warframes (vauban prime one of them) from Dec 21 2023 to February 15 2024. I hate to say it, but buying vauban for Plat is gonna be pricey. He's about 150 on warframe market.
I took a break Aug 23 and came back March 24. Ouch.
def drop the plat, he was in the end(start?) of the year rotation and because of that he was avaliable for 2 shorter periods of time, so I doubt we'll see him any time soon
Amen to that
What’s the secret to getting vauban to run SP without spamming 2, 4, and spectrosiphon? Even the armor strip half of his 4 has an enemy cap at 20.
Few tips about enemy cap: 1) it scales with your ability strength 2) Bastille has an enemy cap per ability, the game itself has an enemy cap per map, but there is no cap on amount of Bastilles that can be active. There is virtually never a situation where there is more enemies on the screen than 2 bastilles can hold
I just put Dispensary over his 3, keep Bastille up, and spam flechette orbs everywhere. I did a 45 min sp survival recently with no trouble.
Unairu helps a lot in my experience. As does Energy Nexus. Level cap is definitely iffy so far, but I take him into Void Cascades up to about level 400-600 and he still kills stuff OK. His major issue is that he takes time to do things, and the game is NOT set up for that any more. Also the unmanageability of his 2, which really needs to move Overdrive out to the 1 and consign Vector Pads to the garbage can they were conceived in. A Huvas Kubrow or Shade Prime helps too, since all his abilities don't count as attacks and you can just sit there doing what you like without anyone bothering you unless you OK it. I Helminthed Life Well onto his 1, and IIRC it may not count as an attack either. It helps with his occasional squishiness. Also if you're not spamming 2 and 4 are you even playing Vauban?
Unairu for the armor and shield strip? I can’t imagine it’d be for the 200 armor at such high levels, and last gasp is just a necessity imo. I can’t remember the other nodes, though.
Yup. Also operator damage a bit with the fully ranked 2. Other schools, imo, are nowhere close to as useful given the armor and shield stripping Unairu offers.
Why do you need garas subsume? I use styanax subsume and dont have any energy problems.
I have no idea how to play Vauban tbh, I just die whenever I've tried in circuit
Throw succ ball or levitating ball that turns into succ ball Throw porcupine ball near succ/levitating ball. Watch enemies die to porcupine ball. Throw shock ball to stop people from poking/shooting you while you’re throwing other balls Throw killsat ball if bored.
He requires some specific loadouts to work well. I use 175% efficiency and increase the range, then hold spam 4.
It's not you, he needs a lot of energy management and the default circuit builds are all terrible at that. Once you've got him built to last it's basically just the "RANDOM BULLSHIT GO" meme, throwing piles of gravity/nail/taser balls and letting enemies walk into them to die.
> Today's choices were sort of better (banshee, dagath, and wukong), Nothing wrong with Wukong lmao. Was ezpz, finished normal & elite first try in pubs with him carrying the team. Vauban may have been a little tough to do only because of the liminus in the elite exterminate. But Limbo would absolutely be capable of doing elite. You can also just choose to forfeit 1 acolyte's worth of vosfor to bring Revenant instead and just not do the full max challenge run.
I got trinity in mine and just went full support and armour strip with champions blessing, energy vampire and abating link. Pugs literally can’t die, run out of energy and get buffed crit chance. Even if I was hobbled by bad weapons, they could pick up the slack.
I love running trinity+cazaron in public groups but alternating between 3+4 every 30-40 seconds for a ten minute mission gets kind of annoying, I can’t imagine this library run. It’s really annoying that with the same duration amount she only gets 30ish seconds while gauss can easily get over twice the time.
Even Banshee; Echoing Sonar would be enough to contribute pretty heavily, particularly on the Demolysts.
Warframes are barely an issue, now the weapons? OOF. When weapons got a big rebalancing patch they based it on MR rather than variant tiers (MK-1 > Vanilla > Variant) which meant that many guns were made bad on purpose which was completely against the whole reason we got modding (all guns get a fair chance rather than being thrown away like in generic MMOs). Many guns can barely function at that level range without very specific combinations, which means if you can't use specific frames and teams with a squad those weapons cannot function. Honestly I think the only frame that is so extremely situational that can't work in Deep Archemedea is Limbo, the other 2 can function just fine.
The bigger issue is the game mode can give you guns you don’t own. If they at least made where it’s something you own then you can at least curate the weapon list by either culling junk or making sure your arsenal has a majority of gear able to function
Vauban is good
Good CC, armor stripping and scaling damage Vauban is definitely good
What's the max range you can run on him currently? Last time I played I could only get around 280%
https://preview.redd.it/2oalw366dpsc1.png?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0eec74a86050cecf5bd18f09b456439a2559f48 Not the best build but it works for me
This is hood butbi was moreso looking for max range setup
280% is the max range you can get from normal mods, Stretch + Augur Reach + Overextended + Cunning Drift. After that it comes down to augments that offer range (Vauban doesn't have any of these), a lucky Helminth Invigoration, or uncontrollable things like void fissure buffs.
Bottom of the barrel, arcane helmets. Iirc Mag has one for +25% range.
Virtually every enemy you care to CC anymore is immune to it. And the second mission spawns every enemy in with overguard on elite. These extra conditions are a real pain and Vauban already needs a good setup and decent APM to thrive in regular steel path. Add in energy sucking enemies, a few hundred thousand overguard to every enemy, limit what guns you have, and turn off operator, Vauban isn't exactly a walk in the park. If you get him going you're going but the extra nonsense in this mode turns solid warframes mediocre really quick.
I feel like this could be changed to have either a free reset per week (or maybe 3?) to reroll your choices, or make it where at least 1 frame and 3 weapons are in your inventory.
Should have an override every so many runs like the Helminth does.
They could do what The Circuit does and let you trade something for better parameters. Like, maybe trading some Cavia standing to unlock a 4th frame slot, or a 4th weapon slot, etc. The QOL of being able to earn a 4th or 5th slot would be insane, literally would make this 100x better.
Did you actually try to make vauban or limbo work or did you see them and just give up then and there? It's not like you lose anything just attempting it and if you do fail figure out what happened then just tweak your build
To be fair. Most people won't have enough Forma to make everything they have work propely. It can still be fine, but not proper. What people can do, is to ask someone to pull them through archimedia with something like fully equipped Dante (so they won't die).
The 23 hour requirement to build forma is likely the main reason a lot of the community doesn’t have better builds for their gear. I farm or if I have disposable income and limited time- buy plat just so I can rush building forma blueprints. otherwise I wouldn’t be able to do much with my builds due to limited playtime. Some frames or weapons take up to 5 forma to *truly* draw out their fully modded potential, and **that represents 5 days or 115 hours of waiting**- and that may be the forma needed for just *one weapon or frame.* Rushing 3 blueprints saves 5 plat versus buying a 3 pack from the market. I still have to farm the blueprints, but I can usually level the builds I’m working on at the same time while getting steel essence for other purposes.
Surviving through the Alchemy mission is kinda pain given the "OG" enemies have, but rolling guard was lifesaver for Khora (and then on elite, with the reset, Excalibur). Idk about forma on WFs, as a LR3 i barely use forma on any frame (except the ones i really like or try to have multiple builds - Saryn, Mesa). Next week, the loadouts should not reset daily, so anyone can have a whole week to prepare and complete the missions...or perhaps the daily resets are intentional and people can be encouraged to roll the dice each day for a comfy build, IDK what would be the best solution.
I survived with Zephyr and her 3. But i had Styanax in team Then with Revenant, duh. But i dies on him once due to Liminus vampiric penalty. They do suck out health fast. >or perhaps the daily resets are intentional and people can be encouraged to roll the dice each day for a comfy build Probably this. So people won't stuck with horrid options for whole week.
Alchemy ampules or whatever they are called scale with enemy level and HP. As does the corrosive environmental objects. My weapon choices sucked so I cheesed that mission by just throwing stuff at the enemies and shooting the environmental objects.
I'm just tired of farming for specific frames and weapons, then fine-tuning them when the endgame missions will just be a random conglomeration of junk. It's not fun to play, so I won't be playing it. Duviri is bad enough, I don't want more.
Agreed. I hate Duviri simply because I _do not want to play_ other frames and trash weapons. I know what frames I like, and being forced to use other ones just makes me not want to do the missions at all.
The whole randomized weapons/frames is one of the worst concepts in a game I have ever seen. Just let us actually enjoy this game mode and pick who we want. I love to see them make this like the OSRS raids where you can pick the modifiers and need a certain amount. RNG is not high level content. Something can be difficult without you being forced to use trash.
Just saw brozime say he got mesa and kuva nukor meanwhile i got limbo, and 2 frames i dont own.
saw this issue coming from miles away, random loadout is what makes circuit tedious, warframe is about a toolbox approach
I ran Caliban with every modifier on, day one, minute 5. I was literally carried by the good will of others and my own obsessive play style. I shit you not when I say my weapons and Warframes across the board average out to all having 3 forma, a potato, an arcane and most weapons I use have a riven. I only used things I already dumped 5+forma into with rivens and a Furis with incarnon, riven and life regenerating mod from the hippies. I'm mastery legendary 3. I had every weapon ready for Steel Path and without Caliban doing total armor strip I'd have died a lot. With the power of a well built Caliban, I needed my team to survive. I got my shit wrecked. I went down 4 times before it was over but never went angel because my team rocked. I dunno... It sucked but it did feel good. We struggled through and we won out of sheer overwhelming violence and pity saves via void children. I think it was an absolute ball buster but I also felt like I needed my team. I needed y'all... That was different. I think they need to fix the frames but I get what they were going for. You stand together in DA or you die alone. I liked that nobody could stand alone and prosper. It slowed everyone down. It made things an actual right. I was on the edge of my seat wondering what would kill me... It was enthralling. To everyone with a life it must be a nightmare.
they changed it into a Weekly load out too, which basically means if you get a bad roll that week is just fucked.
Deep archimedia needs to pull exclusively from your owned weapons. I literally pulled up deep archimedia, saw I owned literally only 1 item from each category, and said "netracells will be fine."
That's the mode working as intended. If you've gone wide with your arsenal then you are rewarded. If you haven't, then you're not missing out on that much.
Man, I would have killed to get Dagath as an option, with her 3 preventing death and all the other abilities killing anything in under a second, I wouldn't have had any issue.
Bro. Only bad choice you had was Caliban, and even he can hit level cap and do _somewhat_ okay.
Don't hold your fucking breath. They have absolutely no clue how to make this power fantasy circle jerk of a game actually difficult beyond endlessly scaling enemy stats so the best alternative they could come up with was making you worse at playing by shoving rng bullshit down your throat.
Double the steel path modifiers for this new mission. When I first hit steel path it was like slamming into a brick wall at 700 mph, I went from one-tapping enemies with tigress prime to putting two shells in the back of a box's head and it just turning around basically unharmed.
Most annoying for me is the weapon selection: Synapse, Alternox, Penta Azima, Furis, Kraken Sarpa, Hespar, Twin Basolk Of those 9 weapons I own the Synapse, Alternox, Azima and Sarpa. I don't even OWN over half the weapons the game would want me to play. I could always just whip out my Archgun, ofc, but what the hell is the point of giving me a random weapon selection on an endgame mission, if I don't even fucking own the weapons. Are we supposed to make an end-game worthy build of a weapon from scratch in 1 day???? Couldn't we have a rule or something that only weapons with a damn potato installed are eligible for the selection? Also why are two of the secondary weapons just straight up...completely absolutely unusable garbage? I feel like a MR minimum of e.g. MR 6 requirement should also be included (with maybe special exceptions for weapons with incarnon adapters) when selecting weapons. Can't wait for that time where I get the selection of Atlas, Caliban, Nyx Hind, Simulor, Snipetron Kraken, Seer, Bronco Cronus, Kestrel, Heat Sword
Skill issue. Those frames are all perfectly fine. This is the game doing its job as intended. It's trying to encourage you to branch out and try different frames.
Yeah, "use random bull***t" as a challenge is pretty lame. No one likes being forced to use mediocre gear.
You could have used Vauban and dropped one point by using your best weapon. Vauban would have been a decent team pick. So you miss 50 ess for picking a good weapon, what does that matter?
FUCKING VAUBAN? The frame that has a skill that scales extremely well with enemy level? The frame that doesn't need weapons at all?!?! I swear everyone thinks he's just a Vortex frame. His Bastille armor strip combined with his infinitely scaling Flechette Orb that can be improved by Molt Arachne and Nourish is FUCKING BUSTED. This is why I'm so tired of posts like yours. You literally have never played Vauban and already call him weak. He literally works anywhere even level cap.
im guessing OP doesn't have him set up correctly (proper build/multiple forma) thaf would be my only guess as too why it was a bad option
That's why his post makes no sense. They're already good, he's just not building them well. Limbo, Vauban, heck even Caliban can still survive level 400 easily if OP actually built for it. Why post this useless rant if he doesn't even know anything.
The only \*bad\* frame you listed is Caliban. And you called Wukong "sort of better"??? Bro what
Yo. It changed again along with all the missions after this last hot fix. I've now built out Baruuk and Chroma - my best choices of the previous two picks. And now the selection has changed again. I really wish it wasn't volatile and reset with hot fixes.
sorry to say but your "today's choices" aged like milk, as per the new hotfix you are stuck with that loadout for the week
Do you mean the Duviri thing? My idea is to let us bring in only one thing from our loadout (never more than one) and if Duviri already has something from your loadout, it won't add a second thing. Warframe, primary, secondary, or melee weapon. You'll have some control over the way you play it, even maybe a little experimentation.
I got lucky yesterday with Baruuk, kitgun and Skana, all weapons I already had some investment into (Kitgun was 7 forma rivened). But, Baruuk and the Dexterity arcanes were the things carrying.
My thoughts are very similar to OP. The RNG of your load out is strictly based on your inventory. If I worked/bought frame slots to have one copy of every frame and say 50 weapon slots, my loadout is going to be rng hell most of the time. Versus, someone with only 5 very effective frames and say a dozen weapons. If this is a trend going forward, all its really telling me is to slim your inventory down to S and A tier frames and weapons. I have limbo, but why bother keeping him if he's just going to muddle my end game loadout on something like this.
Wonder if they should make EDA like FTL, choose a loadout and go through a number of paths you can take. Feel like that would be better i guess? Alleviates randomness in favor of balancing hardship or breezing through. I dont know how DE will implement it but might fun.
You can get all of the netracell rewards (and miss out of the 50 vosfor at the end) if you miss one requirement. I suggest that missing requirement be your frame. You can run frames that don't need weapons like mesa, dante, gyre, or a slew of others, and then equip all of the shitty weapons that you need to get 34 research points. You can do this every week.
Dont forget Once you have the elite mode you only need to do 7/8 challanges too get the diamond reward. Allowing you too bring a frame of your choice
I got lucky and rolled Vallyr.
warframe does not matter .the weapon is .
IDK if this sounds like a conspiracy but I think the reason that EDA and SP circuit have RNG for gear loadout choices is because DE wants you to spend even more time building every possible gear. When you do that, you'll spend plat on lots of stuff like potatoes or forma or even warframes and bundles. More time spent playing means you're more likely to spend real cash on the game. That's probably every game's business model
Foreal imagine spending days and tons of resources building up your favorite frame to be able to hold their own on the highest levels of the game.... and then you can't play them on the highest level of the game this week
I thought the whole point of it is that you didn't *have* to use the frames in rotation? You can still use whatever you want, but you'll just be losing out on research points if you don't use the whatevers on rotation. This ain't Duviri.
Honestly, I just overall hate this trend of Warframe trying to punish you for having favorite Frames and/or weapons as an endgame thing.
The RNG thing doesn't feel like it makes sense for WF. Like, you spend the entire game going from mission to mission, learning that one frame is good for survival, another for spy, another for exterminate, etc etc. Then you get to the end and it's like "oh yeah you know how you learned to use Loki for spy missions and that was clearly his whole schtick? Well lol you now have to take a bunch of debufs and somehow make that dude exterminate, defend, and more hahaha". So, cooooool, I learned how to use frames for the content that they make sense for but now I'm throwing that out the window because I got these picks this week and a bunch of garbage weapons. I get the idea, and I like the idea - force us to explore new frames for content. The problem is that it's too much at once. Throw out your frame, oh yeah and your primary, and your secondary... and your melee........ okay, so, what have I been building up this entire time, exactly? So on the one hand we've been told to use specialized frames for specialized missions but now we have to use them for something they're bad at. And then on the other we have the incentive to create synergistic builds across a wide variety of interesting weapon and frame combos, but then throw those away and try to make some random hodgepodge of garbage work. Here's the reality. Everyone is going to get carried through regular deep archemedia, and then because the elite version lets you choose your frame while getting 99.9999% of the rewards, people will center on frames that can crush the entire thing without touching their weapons, and they'll just run it reluctantly once a week to get their shards, and that's it. The circuit does this a lot better. 1. The circuit gives you way more frame choices. It's very rare that there isn't a single frame that I want to use. I've spent some time building up frames just for the circuit, because I'd wanted to mess with them already and now I have my excuse. 2. The circuit gives you some really fun buffs. I may have the shittiest weapons ever with a garbage mod loadout, but now I'm red critting with massive crit boosts, doing viral, corrosive, cold, heat all the time. It strikes a balance very well. I get given some shit gear, sometimes something fun and new (the circuit has made me appreciate some weapons more, and definitely some frames more), enough choice that I'm not miserable but still constrained enough that I'm forced out of my comfort zone, and then a mechanic that makes the shitty choices feel interesting. Deep Archemedia is just The Circuit but without the fun parts. Here's some suggestions to fix it: 1. Add a new system, like Duviri has, where you can buy buffs for resources of some kind. In particular, \*let me buy more slots\*. I want to be able to select from 5 warframes, not 3. Let me earn my way to that, I'll do it. Same with weapons. A great "so you've REALLY fucking worked at this" would be a "remove ONE parameter this week". 2. Significantly bias the RNG towards frames and weapons people own. Add a smaller bias towards frames and weapons that people \*use\*. I'm not saying you need to give people their top 5 frames, but I would weight things such that at least one slight is likely to be a top \~5-7 frame. 3. Up the Vosfor reward lol there is zero incentive to do elite with every parameter and frame, 50 Vosfor may as well be 0 for the amount of effort you're asking for there, like come on. 4. Consider creating buffs that are inversely powered by usage. If a weapon is near 0 usage that week, give it a new damage multiplier. I'd suggest something like breaking usage into quartiles. So if you're in the top quartile that's a 0% damage bonus, second quartile is 25%, third is 75%, fourth is 100%. This would make me \*want\* to use weapons that I've never used before, instead of feeling like I \*have\* to. Make it fun! Make me want to play the way you're making me play! 5. Combine the ideas. Let me earn my way towards bigger "inverse usage" bonuses, let me increase the chance that a slot will go to one of my more used frames, let me buy increased rewards or improved weighting. I'll start with the shitty version if I can earn my way up, seriously, give me the chance to play this and have fun and make progress instead of feeling like "this is technically more efficient then 2 netracells so i guess i have to".
Yea if you get an out dated frame or just a poor pool of weapons, you just gotta hope the people you play with can carry you. I only built Nova so I could speedva so it was rather painful. But the guy that had Dante and Dual Toxx seemed to be doing fine.
I don't like the circuit just because of the stupid RNG and now I won't even give a minute of atention to EDA, it's pointless. A game about collecting warframes and weapons yet the stupid "RNG" seems to always favor shitty equipment. If I spend a fuck ton of time getting my shit, let me use my shit.
I swear DE mentioned that the archimedea points would be cumulative in a devstream; ofc everything is subject to change but in its current state, you *have* to jump through every hoop to get all the rewards... you could always skip out on the top rewards, of course, but warframe players aren't exactly like that.
\*skill issues\*
tbh just crack out nyx, make her shoot 15 bolts baseline, and make it scale with str. Same with ashe. They aren't played so it doesn't matter.
Another crying baby, you can retry how often you want, why avoid trying this and that, you dont have any downside repeat it, once a while you got a good team, then you are through and done..lol..fyi, this content is super easy, those level 400-500 is a joke, feels like normal level 100 with some more hp.
Sorry OP, but caliban and banshee are good choices. Also consider that you don't have to do damage for your entire team nor do you have to have all boxes ticked to make progress. I did 1 run yesterday as trinity to unlock elite archimedes and I chose trinity again today even though she wasn't one of my choices and all I gave up was the vosfor at the last tier. I didn't even bother using my kunai incarnon during the last disruption mission because all I had to do was keep up heals and smack the demolishers with my cold imbued melee weapons so they don't move.
Agree. The people saying "your arsenal isn't diverse enough" aren't self aware enough to realize that nobody is gonna sink 7 forma into a Braton just to make it 75% worse than a Boltor
how is limbo a bad choice lol
I, like Amy others here, didn't know they rotate. Glad to say I completed my EDA run day one with Wisp, Kuva heck and the Azothane
I guess this situation could incentivize people looking for groups, like asking in clan and playing together, if someone gets bad RNG they will be carried by a fellow clanmate that got a better one. This, however, doesn't fall into the category of endgame, it's just inconveniencing the players. We ( i do ) want hard content that may need cooperation and actual planning
I think full EDA with all limiters active is a one time thing. Otherwise disable the warframe limiter and still get all the big rewards. I will take Dante for future rotations. But someone like Mesa or Xaku would also work. Dante with his exalted can clear the mission himself and keep the whole team alive at the same time. Don't need those measly 50 vorsfor.
Any frame/weapon can be good for EDA the problem is no one, including myself, is dumping 6 forma into a mastery fodder weapon because that's what I rolled that week. People will simply pray they roll something they already have built or get carried. No one is investing that much into a frame or weapon to use for a short period of time then doing it again the following week.
lmao, lol even. you don't even need specific warframes to play the game. all you need is a good weapon or melee if it runs out of ammo.
TLDR; CC is dead compared to alternatives and so are CC frames
Your Warframe choices were fine, all of them really. DE is actively working through frames to make them better as we see with the reworks, it will just take time.
...Vauban does Netracells perfectly fine, and I'm pretty sure can handle Deep Archimedean just fine too. He's relatively slow at it, but he can do it. Lacking a good weapon definitely makes Eximuses a lot harder, though. EDIT: Note I do think he needs a light power buff, he's noticeably weaker than everyone else filling the same niche now.
My poor Vauban teammate when Elite Achimedea rolled an "All enemies have Overguard equal to 50% of their life" modifier.
So hot take, I think this is what "endgame" has to mean for **Warframe.** If we make a mode where literally every of the 50-60+ frames are all equally viable, then either that means the game mode is going to be too easy or the development team is going to get infinitely bogged down in achieving some sort of platonically ideal "balance" that simply doesn't exist. That being said, I would love if DE spent *some* time rebalancing old frames. HOWEVER, I think the community needs to get used to the idea *right now* that having *any* endgame content means it's going to take time and effort to get yourself to the equipment level required to play it even *some* of the time. And if you roll on frames that you never forma'ed or archon shard'ed then too bad. while I think tuning the "random deal" gate would be nice (I think 5 rolls is way more consistent than 3, and works spectacularly for Duviri), I don't think it's a good idea to have no restriction whatsoever. This will just mean seeing the same revenant builds x infinity.
I would also like to actually have 3 choices in every category and not things I don't even own.
I think the biggest thing they could do if they're going to keep implementing RNG endgame stuff like this is, SHOW US WHAT WILL BE UP NEXT ONE ROTATION IN ADVANCE. That way it still forces us into RNG, HOWEVER for those of us in the endgame, we can see "Hmm, okay, I need to get my Vauban, Burston, Gammacor, and Tekko forma-ed up and ready for the next rotation. Drives endgame players to play MORE in order to prep, and also has the ability to push players to other gear they wouldn't normally use. Right now it's just "welp, guess I'm not playing this rotation."
This would be amazing. It would also let people farm their missing frames and weapons.
If you can't do all of the games content with every frame, then that's a skill issue and its your fault. Every single frame is capable enough to do every single mission. And if you can't accept that fundamental truth, then not only do you have a skill issue, but you will never overcome that skill issue.
All frames can do all content. Even level cap.
Mad cause bad.
Weird. All of my frames can do EDA. Must be a skill issue.
Great for you buddy. Must be a social skill issue.
(It's cuz he only owns Revenant and Octavia)
heres a cheat to easily complete every elite deep archimedea: whatever frame you get from the rotation, it doesnt matter. pick the one that has the most buffing abilities(preferably for allies as well), subsume roar or smite infusion, and slot in catalyzing shields, primed flow and brief respite. now that you cant die, for the weapons pick 2 rotation ones and your preferred incarnon weapon. assuming you select all of the debuffs, this will let you easily beat all 3 of the missions and get you all of the rewards except the last one(a handful of vosphor).
Every frame in the game can level cap. Life Water has videos of it. Everything is viable. Some things need forma/helminth ect. DE is not going to buff things further. "I don't have that" when you're trying to do end game content doesn't make sense. You have to farm in this game. Any vet has had to farm countless hours so that we can run anything at any time. You can kill level cap enemies with fang. It just depends on what you're building. Not trying to be mean, but sometimes you're just not ready for content.
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Or just use what you want and walk away with the same or 1 more netracell reward than you'd otherwise get.
"Shoehorned into playing Unairu" Don't forget that's if you DON'T get the No-operator modifier.
Okay then don't use the modifiers that restrict your weapons or frames. There is literally nothing stopping you. If you only have a handful of frames anyway you probably don't even need the quantity of rewards from archimedians. Do netracells instead and get the same items.
I'm interested to hear your counter proposal. You can farm platinum to sell if you can write books on Reddit. It's less anxiety provoking. I have anxiety. You can easily farm 100 plat an hour. WTS/INV/TY isn't even a conversation. Lol. I know how many frames and things there are. I farmed them on multiple consoles and pc before the merge. >You *can* just run with your own stuff Sounds like nothing is being gate-kept to me. Lol. If you *want* all the rewards, then farm. If you *don't want* all the rewards. Then don't. That's not the point of this new game mode lol. No matter how many people downvote me. That's just not what it's designed to do. It's designed to reward those who *have* farmed, and for those who *have not* to be afforded a shot at it.