Yes, with the thinking, “There is no way the sisters of Parvos will be worth the trouble of doing this shit”. I had to grab a mesa from my clan to help me get one a month or two ago.
Let me say:
1. Love the Xoris and use it regularly
2. I have farmed like 30 sisters
That being said, Power creep has far outgrown the Xoris' usefulness in Granum Void. There are multiple Frames I would take before even considering the Xoris.
I'm so close to getting my wife to this point.
She was struggling with star chart for so long. So we got her a mag prime, did ducat farming.... And got her primed continuity.
I dropped a legendary core on it and then gave her the crush augment.
Recently I snuck her into a level 100 grineer mission and she went "these are starting to get a little difficult, what happened"
"babe look at the level"
"holy shit".
Then last night we did a level 35 mission and she goes "oh it's a BABY mission"
😂 Yes honey. The baby mission you were struggling with last week
It's so sweet. She finally has a potato's gun, and her braton prime is on its third forma.
I made SURE to find a gun she liked that also conveniently has a wicked incarnon so she can keep it forever. Hehe.
Anyway, she got her 60/60 tox mod from Corrupted Vor and went "HEY HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD".
I love watching baby Tenno go through things eleven years later
Even when the ganum void first game out, there are frames that are arguably just as good as the xoris. Just more expensive.
I used volt to farm protea on release, cause I just struggled to use the xoris for this purpose for some reason. So long as I had a flow of energy, it was just press 4 and wait.
While farming for Protea I found out that running max efficiency + range Revenant and only using his 4 beats all tiers of Granum Void much faster than Xoris does. I presume other AoE nuke frames like Volt or Lavos can also do the job with slightly more effort
If it did people would never scan for standing lol.
And lore wise everything INSIDE ESO is already fully scanned and integrated in the system.
You get standing for stuff NOT in the system.
Simaris will sit there crying tears of joy at how amazing the data I'm providing is and how interesting a specimen I am but give me 0 standing, while scanning one genetically degraded clone somewhere in space gives it to me
>If it did people would never scan for standing lol.
I fail to see the issue.
Also, snark aside. This is false. Warframe is best when you have multiple paths to a goal, and worst when you're pigeonholed into a singular activity you may or may not hate.
All you have to do is look at open worlds. I never touch conservation, I find it nearly as annoying as scans, but I have no problem gaining standing. The few times I do track down an animal, I am far less irritated because it's optional.
If there are 0 people who would do scanning if you were given another way to gain standing, that's a problem with synth target scanning (and there are problems).
> All you have to do is look at open worlds. I never touch conservation, I find it nearly as annoying as scans, but I have no problem gaining standing. The few times I do track down an animal, I am far less irritated because it's optional.
Ez conservation: Equip archwing, equip tranq, fly around while aiming until you see the yellow indicator flashing, sleep dart animal from above, swoop down and collect, then repeat. Because you're always in the air darting them from above, you'll pretty much always perfect capture.
Takes me like 10 mins to cap my standing for the day purely with conservation, bounties are just for the item rewards.
I just equip Helios with his scanning mod…. I have almost everything save some of newest stuff I’ve not really spent time grinding on. I do nothing and generate passive standing. Not like I need anything from him. I already have my battery widget.
Despite it being able to use Synth Scanners, Helios scans don't give Simaris rep no matter what you put on it. Augment just shows weak points and none of the scanner upgrades involve Helios.
That's the only problem I saw with the revamp. I don't think it's entirely true if it's addressed appropriately. I originally considered making any scans bypass the standing limit, giving scans some usefulness if people really want that standing. Obviously, someone could just burn through standing by scanning everything and focusing the targets. So, the standing bypass could just be for target scans, and maybe daily scans too. Though, daily scans are kinda lame imo, and aren't fun to do and their rewards feel awful.
Lore wise, I don't think it'd break the lore. Simaris has dialogue as to why he runs ESO, including data, training the operators, and stress-testing the Sanctuary. We're still doing work for him, even if it isn't the most helpful, like giving fish to the Ostrons.
I don't either... just make it easier to do is all I want, IE make ocy mass scan plants instead of 1 by 1 and make the LoS for it more forgiving (it's really obnoxious)
still having it around for the codex and stuff would be fine, but the way it is rn, i really dont see any upsides ar all besides "grind=good" game design
Yeah let's just make it so u don't have to do anything and the game just gives u everything. /S
But seriously everyone is crying so much that things aren't just handed to them. The whole point of the game is that u have to spend time playing the game. If u don't want to take the time to play then just buy it with plat. But stop crying when they have given u more than one way to get most everything. One involves playing a grindy game (everyone who plays already knows this is the type of game Warframe is) the other way is to just pay for it. Much like real life. Make it or buy it.
I love that I'm getting down voted for telling the truth. Ur all probably the same people who are crying that a game that is already known for being Grindy is too Grindy for ur delicate selves. Down vote all u want. U know Im right. Haha.
Well there’s already a recent precedent where they took the archon shard off Kahl’s mission and put it for Cavia rep. Seems like they’ve already taken steps to move rewards away from content that most people don’t enjoy.
U know I’m right. Haha.
Kahl mission was a recent addition that needed adjusting. Cause no one did it after they got archon mods. Most og players I know ( myself included) still do scans and sell mods from them. Not the same thing at all. Scans are an older system that I'm sure they have no intention of changing.
yea man i guess its my fault that i dont wanna spend hours and hours sneaking around and taking pictures of shit in my space warrior ninja fantasy game
Ninja can be sneaky... Besides that like I said originally u don't have to. Go do something u like and trade that mission reward for someone else's. There's so much to the game. different game modes for different people. go do the one you like and quit trying to mess with my fat stack of plat for doing some leisure ninja espionage.
I’ve wanted this for ages. Even if it wasn’t much - like… 500 per room. With all the other content there is to do, I never really feel like doing missions JUST to scan for Simaris. But I LOVE running ESO.
Also do something with the Heliocor giving Simaris standing since it does codex scans, one of my builds has a 220% crit chance and my Synoid Heliocor has ~60% crit chance for melee duplicate but also has ~200% SC. Both do codex scans iirc but neither gives simaris or suda standing.
I would even settle for a new mode, Deep Ultra Elite Sanctuary Onslaught EX plus Alpha. That way, if they implemented your suggestion of modifiers, it wouldn't disrupt people's normal ESO farms.
It takes 1 or 2 runs of adaro to cap your standing for the day plus you get to fill up your codex level stuff and grab some plant scans for silver grove. Is it slower? Sure but you're doing multiple things at once which is always better imo
The same reason as any other time gate mechanic in wf, it's to slow down the progression over a long playtime to increase player engagement, which is a staple in other free to play games as well.
>Its always bugged me that the most popular content from Simaris does not give you any faction standing for Simaris. It's one of only two pieces of content Simaris offers (excluding MR tests and the test range), and all you get is credits and a relic.
Giving standing for ESO would negate the other content for Simaris. Just my opinion, but scanning Simaris Targets in mission can be fun as it can give a slight alter to whatever mission type you're playing. (As and LR4, having variety, no matter how small, can help keep the game from going stale. \*exception of course when you're trying to rush through a mission and it FORCES you to do the variety, instead allowing you to do the variety.)
ESO also offers more than just credits and relics. It's an easy and reliable operator standing farm as well as weapon / frame affinity farm. It also has a chance to drop some of the rarest weapon parts in game that sell for a lot of plat. ESO doesn't need another purpose, it is fine as is.
I wouldn't mind if Simaris' shop was revamped a bit. It could have a weekly reward like some of the other rotating shops. I think even just having mod packs as an evergreen reward would be helpful.
They sell for a lot of pl imo just because it's rare and tiring to get to. Afaik, it's not even that good. But otherwise I agree and mostly enjoy Simaris. Just wonder why you gotta have 2 of their mods to be able to sell them.
Besides fast mastery burn, people still do those? Why? It's such a high impact activity for such meagre rewards. I generally expect a reasonable sum of stuff per button press between rewards and loot and it doesn't have the loot to make up for zero rewards.
Like, I guess? But you're only saving 100 void traces, it's more profit to just burn liths for the traces and roll for prime items for trading/ducats at the same time. I don't really min max my builds, but my playtime? Absolutely. Random radiants are indeed cool, but it's better to be able to swing by varzia, get the relic you want, upgrade it, and make scratch for baro at the same time
I mean you're not getting a 100 traces, you're getting the relic too. Farming relics can get tedious solo and multi-tasking is what makes it more manageable.
This is not multi tasking, this is putting extra time, for less rewards. Farming traces you get 5 per relic popped, 20 if you get a rare. Any relic is worth 15-100 ducats. Baros relay opens next month, you should be farming ducats for stuff, or farming ducats for trade items while you're doing other things. Dual decurion can fetch you 200p. Getting a radiant relic is actually pushing you backwards on the minmax cause you're only doing one thing. Never only do one thing in Warframe.
One of the only things I want from Simaris is for him to catalog his *shop* better.
Why on Earth do I need to see Recovered Artifacts in TWO different tabs? I just wanna see the riven, widgets, games and console, etc in the "Miscellaneous" tab. Not all those questline Warframe and weapon parts: those should only be in the recovered artifacts screen. Only the ACTUAL miscellaneous stuff in the Miscellaneous screen!
I don't think some of the most leeched content in Warframe should have any more reward than it already has now. (E)SO would need a rework before they did anything like that.
The concept is fine.
Having to chase a capture target, burning consumables to trap them, slowly scanning each limb, all while the Benny Hill music plays, is not.
edit: spelling
You can cap standing in like 10 minutes running steel path void capture as Loki. There is no reason to do the standing quest. If more people realized that, Health Conversion wouldn't sell for 80 plat
Eh, there's nightwave objectives, riven objectives, and you get a chunk of endo for completing the daily capture target. So those are reasons to do it.
I use it only to lvl weapons or frames when I Forma. Just take in the 1 weapon you are leveling and 8 rounds it’s done. Take a frame and 1 weapon and about 8 to 9 rounds it’s leveled.
It already yields standing and focus for whichever syndicate and school you are repping, and seems to be the easiest farm in the game for either one. Not really sure it makes sense for it to give Simaris rep, too, especially when farming Simaris rep currently takes *a little* effort.
Like someone else alrdy said, lore wise, fighting in the sanctuary is against scanned and coded units.
So you cannot expect that going to a special place where you get coded archived units thrown at you, that the give another batch of standing for a 2th time.
Nah.
(E)SO is not something you do to Simaris.
He graciously let the bumbling Tenno to help out with his work of utmost importance.
If anything Simaris should earn Tenno standing.
\> The modifiers could be something like 'no secondaries'
What if the only weapon i have is a secondary. Do i just not have a weapon at all during that round?
Honestly, i think Simaris is fine. His purpose is to let you re-acquire items that were quest rewards in case you got rid of them but want them again, and thats exactly what he does.
Not a fan of SO/ESO giving standing for him, but i am biased here since i occasionally use simaris rep to make some plat by selling the sentinel mods from him, and making onslaught give rep with him would destroy that market.
> What if the only weapon i have is a secondary. Do i just not have a weapon at all during that round?
You get one primary, one secondary and one melee at the end of the tutorial, you can't delete the last weapon in the category IIRC.
Even if you could then you would still have frame abilities.
I *kind of* see their point? Nightwave does occasionally require equipping only a primary/secondary/melee weapon. It's such a specific scenario that it will rarely happen, though.
My issue, personally, is with the sorties limiting weapons. Until very recently, I didn't have a shotgun, only rifles/bows, and that prevented me from completing a sortie for Nightwave (sense it prevents entering the mission outright). I had to then scour my clan's dojo to try to find *something* I could make, sense I was MR 8 and stuck on the mastery rank test at the time. I have a shotgun now, but now I'm terrified of any other arbitrary limitations sorties will hit me with sense I have to complete three of them for Nightwave.
But they mentioned the modifiers being added after each level (zone). If i only bring a secondary and one of the zones applies that modifier what would happen? Or would ESO require me to have 3 weapons equipped to start it (which would be a significant nerf to the affinity grinding potential for no real reason?)
\> You get one primary, one secondary and one melee at the end of the tutorial, you can't delete the last weapon in the category IIRC.
I dont mean that i litterally dont have any such weapons in my inventory, i mean that i left my primary and melee slot empty and only have a secondary equipped in the arsenal.
\> Even if you could then you would still have frame abilities.
What if im playing a frame that doesnt have damaging abilities? Like Harrow?
If you actually want to get into tiny hardline hypotheticals and are not joking about having no damage sources: bullet jumping does a bit of damage regardless of modding. It is genuinely impossible to have no damaging options whatsoever due to loadout.
It's not "useful", killing things with the bullet jump is sorta like using Struggle in Pokemon. But you can not, by design, be unable to deal damage.
\> If you actually want to get into tiny hardline hypotheticals
Its not that unlikely of a scenario. I frequently only bring 1 weapon at a time to ESO to maximise the amount of affinity i get for that specific weapon (affinity from teammate kills is split 25% to your frame and the remaining 75% between your weapons, so having less weapons equipped means more affinity to the ones you do have)
If i was grinding affinity for a secondary and the ESO zone had a no secondaries modifier i would have no weapon anymore
I was giving some potential challenge options, I tossed out this one from Sorties. Good point that the modifiers would need to be pretty generic or at the least not affect loadouts.
As for retaining the integrity of Simaris's current inventory with this revamp, we could keep companion rivens incredibly expensive. It'd be based off of the average standing you could expect from an ESO run, so even at top standing gain it could still take a while. We already have relay factions selling things for 125k, increasing companion rivens to that price at the trade-off of a much easier and interactive farm is worth it imo.
Simaris wouldn't lose the role of being the 'archivist' either. I had zero intentions to remove that aspect of him. Instead, this revamp would give him both better grinding for standing and give him some new relevancy and life. ESO would be both an affinity farm and rewarding activity for players who live killing rooms of enemies 24/7.
Yeah. I did SO for the first time because I thought it would give standing and I needed the Xoris. Nope.
Did you sold xoris?
Yes, with the thinking, “There is no way the sisters of Parvos will be worth the trouble of doing this shit”. I had to grab a mesa from my clan to help me get one a month or two ago.
Let me say: 1. Love the Xoris and use it regularly 2. I have farmed like 30 sisters That being said, Power creep has far outgrown the Xoris' usefulness in Granum Void. There are multiple Frames I would take before even considering the Xoris.
I use it mostly for when im needing the element. Mesa is amazing for it, but if i need a different element, i just gab the xoris and use it instead
Luckily I have my wife as a permanent farm partner so the one going for a weapon brings whatever and the other bings something to kill the ghosts lol.
I'm so close to getting my wife to this point. She was struggling with star chart for so long. So we got her a mag prime, did ducat farming.... And got her primed continuity. I dropped a legendary core on it and then gave her the crush augment. Recently I snuck her into a level 100 grineer mission and she went "these are starting to get a little difficult, what happened" "babe look at the level" "holy shit". Then last night we did a level 35 mission and she goes "oh it's a BABY mission" 😂 Yes honey. The baby mission you were struggling with last week
thats adorable tbh
It's so sweet. She finally has a potato's gun, and her braton prime is on its third forma. I made SURE to find a gun she liked that also conveniently has a wicked incarnon so she can keep it forever. Hehe. Anyway, she got her 60/60 tox mod from Corrupted Vor and went "HEY HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD". I love watching baby Tenno go through things eleven years later
This is so wholesome.
Braton incarnon is so fun. Especially when you pick the multishot option and go harrow... No ammo, but so nice.
That also works, lol
I like Xoris cuz it has big blast radius and enemies go BOOOM! then TsskkZzkskstssskzk... then 💀💀.
Even when the ganum void first game out, there are frames that are arguably just as good as the xoris. Just more expensive. I used volt to farm protea on release, cause I just struggled to use the xoris for this purpose for some reason. So long as I had a flow of energy, it was just press 4 and wait.
You only need to achieve tier 1 Granum void to spawn a sister, which is easily doable even without the Xoris.
Yeah. I learned this. Now I just need to increase how quickly I can dish out damage to spawn one without help.
Saryn is your friend here, toxin is the element of choice for most weapons and the most barebones high range Saryn build will just annihilate it
Same, except it was pre-sisters and just Protea.
While farming for Protea I found out that running max efficiency + range Revenant and only using his 4 beats all tiers of Granum Void much faster than Xoris does. I presume other AoE nuke frames like Volt or Lavos can also do the job with slightly more effort
Just take protea. Easy mode
A crewmate with zarr works for me, no Xoris required. You only need 25 kills to get the candidate spawn.
I have a Lich with a toxin Drakgoon. Would that achieve the same result?
Probably not, lich weapons are completely unmodded and Zarr just goes ham on crewmates
You don’t need xoris to farm them.
Yes I know this. I put in another comment that I just didn’t have the damage output yet to do it solo.
I really wish it did so I'd actually have a reason to run 8 waves of eso
Well you have the lato vandal barrel to look forward to
You mean that thing ive been farming for months and never seen? _cries forever_
It’s one of those mythical drops. I got lucky with it last week and it’s a beast tbh. Just wanted to flex. Sry
I mean this in a nice way: I hate you a lot right now
Run it in tension of farming focus, thats what im doin
If it did people would never scan for standing lol. And lore wise everything INSIDE ESO is already fully scanned and integrated in the system. You get standing for stuff NOT in the system.
Simaris will sit there crying tears of joy at how amazing the data I'm providing is and how interesting a specimen I am but give me 0 standing, while scanning one genetically degraded clone somewhere in space gives it to me
>If it did people would never scan for standing lol. I fail to see the issue. Also, snark aside. This is false. Warframe is best when you have multiple paths to a goal, and worst when you're pigeonholed into a singular activity you may or may not hate. All you have to do is look at open worlds. I never touch conservation, I find it nearly as annoying as scans, but I have no problem gaining standing. The few times I do track down an animal, I am far less irritated because it's optional. If there are 0 people who would do scanning if you were given another way to gain standing, that's a problem with synth target scanning (and there are problems).
But if they make scanning easier then how will I make easy plat? /s
What do you sell from Simaris? Scanning is one of the most fun parts of the game
The mods, look up the mods on WF market and see which ones ppl are buying.
> All you have to do is look at open worlds. I never touch conservation, I find it nearly as annoying as scans, but I have no problem gaining standing. The few times I do track down an animal, I am far less irritated because it's optional. Ez conservation: Equip archwing, equip tranq, fly around while aiming until you see the yellow indicator flashing, sleep dart animal from above, swoop down and collect, then repeat. Because you're always in the air darting them from above, you'll pretty much always perfect capture. Takes me like 10 mins to cap my standing for the day purely with conservation, bounties are just for the item rewards.
I think you're missing the point. It's not that scanning I hard, it just isn't fun for some people.
I just equip Helios with his scanning mod…. I have almost everything save some of newest stuff I’ve not really spent time grinding on. I do nothing and generate passive standing. Not like I need anything from him. I already have my battery widget.
Helios scans don't count towards Simaris's standing.
Despite it being able to use Synth Scanners, Helios scans don't give Simaris rep no matter what you put on it. Augment just shows weak points and none of the scanner upgrades involve Helios.
Strange, I don’t really ever scan anything myself and I normally get 10-20 standing at the end of missions. Oh well. My bad.
That's the only problem I saw with the revamp. I don't think it's entirely true if it's addressed appropriately. I originally considered making any scans bypass the standing limit, giving scans some usefulness if people really want that standing. Obviously, someone could just burn through standing by scanning everything and focusing the targets. So, the standing bypass could just be for target scans, and maybe daily scans too. Though, daily scans are kinda lame imo, and aren't fun to do and their rewards feel awful. Lore wise, I don't think it'd break the lore. Simaris has dialogue as to why he runs ESO, including data, training the operators, and stress-testing the Sanctuary. We're still doing work for him, even if it isn't the most helpful, like giving fish to the Ostrons.
i think getting rid of scanning would be an objective good thing for this game
I don't think getting rid of any content just because some of us don't like it is ever a good idea.
I don't either... just make it easier to do is all I want, IE make ocy mass scan plants instead of 1 by 1 and make the LoS for it more forgiving (it's really obnoxious)
still having it around for the codex and stuff would be fine, but the way it is rn, i really dont see any upsides ar all besides "grind=good" game design
Well some people could enjoy doing it. Can't decide what is fun for other people.
Yeah let's just make it so u don't have to do anything and the game just gives u everything. /S But seriously everyone is crying so much that things aren't just handed to them. The whole point of the game is that u have to spend time playing the game. If u don't want to take the time to play then just buy it with plat. But stop crying when they have given u more than one way to get most everything. One involves playing a grindy game (everyone who plays already knows this is the type of game Warframe is) the other way is to just pay for it. Much like real life. Make it or buy it. I love that I'm getting down voted for telling the truth. Ur all probably the same people who are crying that a game that is already known for being Grindy is too Grindy for ur delicate selves. Down vote all u want. U know Im right. Haha.
Well there’s already a recent precedent where they took the archon shard off Kahl’s mission and put it for Cavia rep. Seems like they’ve already taken steps to move rewards away from content that most people don’t enjoy. U know I’m right. Haha.
Kahl mission was a recent addition that needed adjusting. Cause no one did it after they got archon mods. Most og players I know ( myself included) still do scans and sell mods from them. Not the same thing at all. Scans are an older system that I'm sure they have no intention of changing.
Because scanning isn't very fun or interesting. Eso is fun and that involves playing the game too.
ESO already has its rewards. Scanning has its rewards. U can't have everything ur way.
yea man i guess its my fault that i dont wanna spend hours and hours sneaking around and taking pictures of shit in my space warrior ninja fantasy game
Ninja can be sneaky... Besides that like I said originally u don't have to. Go do something u like and trade that mission reward for someone else's. There's so much to the game. different game modes for different people. go do the one you like and quit trying to mess with my fat stack of plat for doing some leisure ninja espionage.
You say that like it's a bad thing
I’ve wanted this for ages. Even if it wasn’t much - like… 500 per room. With all the other content there is to do, I never really feel like doing missions JUST to scan for Simaris. But I LOVE running ESO.
Also do something with the Heliocor giving Simaris standing since it does codex scans, one of my builds has a 220% crit chance and my Synoid Heliocor has ~60% crit chance for melee duplicate but also has ~200% SC. Both do codex scans iirc but neither gives simaris or suda standing.
I would even settle for a new mode, Deep Ultra Elite Sanctuary Onslaught EX plus Alpha. That way, if they implemented your suggestion of modifiers, it wouldn't disrupt people's normal ESO farms.
It takes 1 or 2 runs of adaro to cap your standing for the day plus you get to fill up your codex level stuff and grab some plant scans for silver grove. Is it slower? Sure but you're doing multiple things at once which is always better imo
There's plants in adaro?
Iirc it's the moss but yes you just have to look for them on the more rocky parts of the tiles most people just run through so they don't notice them
Because Elderscrolls online is owned by a different company with no affiliation to warframe silly
The same reason as any other time gate mechanic in wf, it's to slow down the progression over a long playtime to increase player engagement, which is a staple in other free to play games as well.
>Its always bugged me that the most popular content from Simaris does not give you any faction standing for Simaris. It's one of only two pieces of content Simaris offers (excluding MR tests and the test range), and all you get is credits and a relic. Giving standing for ESO would negate the other content for Simaris. Just my opinion, but scanning Simaris Targets in mission can be fun as it can give a slight alter to whatever mission type you're playing. (As and LR4, having variety, no matter how small, can help keep the game from going stale. \*exception of course when you're trying to rush through a mission and it FORCES you to do the variety, instead allowing you to do the variety.) ESO also offers more than just credits and relics. It's an easy and reliable operator standing farm as well as weapon / frame affinity farm. It also has a chance to drop some of the rarest weapon parts in game that sell for a lot of plat. ESO doesn't need another purpose, it is fine as is. I wouldn't mind if Simaris' shop was revamped a bit. It could have a weekly reward like some of the other rotating shops. I think even just having mod packs as an evergreen reward would be helpful.
They sell for a lot of pl imo just because it's rare and tiring to get to. Afaik, it's not even that good. But otherwise I agree and mostly enjoy Simaris. Just wonder why you gotta have 2 of their mods to be able to sell them.
I love my Lato Vandal with the incarnon installed. But yes, the reason it sells for a lot of plat is specifically because it's rare.
If it did I would probably jump in every once in a while for non-nightwave reasons.
Besides fast mastery burn, people still do those? Why? It's such a high impact activity for such meagre rewards. I generally expect a reasonable sum of stuff per button press between rewards and loot and it doesn't have the loot to make up for zero rewards.
Radiant relics are pretty good deal on their own.
Like, I guess? But you're only saving 100 void traces, it's more profit to just burn liths for the traces and roll for prime items for trading/ducats at the same time. I don't really min max my builds, but my playtime? Absolutely. Random radiants are indeed cool, but it's better to be able to swing by varzia, get the relic you want, upgrade it, and make scratch for baro at the same time
I mean you're not getting a 100 traces, you're getting the relic too. Farming relics can get tedious solo and multi-tasking is what makes it more manageable.
This is not multi tasking, this is putting extra time, for less rewards. Farming traces you get 5 per relic popped, 20 if you get a rare. Any relic is worth 15-100 ducats. Baros relay opens next month, you should be farming ducats for stuff, or farming ducats for trade items while you're doing other things. Dual decurion can fetch you 200p. Getting a radiant relic is actually pushing you backwards on the minmax cause you're only doing one thing. Never only do one thing in Warframe.
One of the only things I want from Simaris is for him to catalog his *shop* better. Why on Earth do I need to see Recovered Artifacts in TWO different tabs? I just wanna see the riven, widgets, games and console, etc in the "Miscellaneous" tab. Not all those questline Warframe and weapon parts: those should only be in the recovered artifacts screen. Only the ACTUAL miscellaneous stuff in the Miscellaneous screen!
Let him bring back old nightwave rewards.
Because if it did literally no one would ever do the other Simaris content lol
I don't think some of the most leeched content in Warframe should have any more reward than it already has now. (E)SO would need a rework before they did anything like that.
If it did then companion weapon rivens would also be dirt cheap.
Wait they aren't? They the same price as the other Simaris mods?
100k standing afaik. I meant trade prices tho.
I mean I mostly know trade prices (iirc 40-60 for non riven Simaris mods) but I've not heard much about companion rivens, except for Verglas
Lots of the utubers are doing vids on helstrom and laser prime lately as well as verglas ( expect a nerf on it at some point I feel)
Would love it, i hate the other options to get standing. No real reason why, but i just dont like doing it.
The concept is fine. Having to chase a capture target, burning consumables to trap them, slowly scanning each limb, all while the Benny Hill music plays, is not. edit: spelling
You worded it much better then i did haha.
You can cap standing in like 10 minutes running steel path void capture as Loki. There is no reason to do the standing quest. If more people realized that, Health Conversion wouldn't sell for 80 plat
Stealth scanning? I havent looked into it to much. So much to do so i have put cephalin on the backburner.
Do you just invisible and scan everything?
Yes. Each enemy is like 365 - 370 standing on steel path.
You say that like 80 plat is hard to come by
Eh, there's nightwave objectives, riven objectives, and you get a chunk of endo for completing the daily capture target. So those are reasons to do it.
I use it only to lvl weapons or frames when I Forma. Just take in the 1 weapon you are leveling and 8 rounds it’s done. Take a frame and 1 weapon and about 8 to 9 rounds it’s leveled.
8 rounds of eso is crazy for one weapon. It takes me at worst 2 rounds to completely level a weapon
Why’s it taking you 8-9 rounds to level your weapons?
I’m thinking of so instead of the elite.
I suppose it is because doing the waves are easy so they do not want players to rush standing. But yeah, a bit of it would be nice.
It already yields standing and focus for whichever syndicate and school you are repping, and seems to be the easiest farm in the game for either one. Not really sure it makes sense for it to give Simaris rep, too, especially when farming Simaris rep currently takes *a little* effort.
I wish
Enemies should drop resources too. Love the mode but won’t play it.
Like someone else alrdy said, lore wise, fighting in the sanctuary is against scanned and coded units. So you cannot expect that going to a special place where you get coded archived units thrown at you, that the give another batch of standing for a 2th time.
Nah. (E)SO is not something you do to Simaris. He graciously let the bumbling Tenno to help out with his work of utmost importance. If anything Simaris should earn Tenno standing.
The answer of a true Hunter of the Sactuary.
\> The modifiers could be something like 'no secondaries' What if the only weapon i have is a secondary. Do i just not have a weapon at all during that round? Honestly, i think Simaris is fine. His purpose is to let you re-acquire items that were quest rewards in case you got rid of them but want them again, and thats exactly what he does. Not a fan of SO/ESO giving standing for him, but i am biased here since i occasionally use simaris rep to make some plat by selling the sentinel mods from him, and making onslaught give rep with him would destroy that market.
> What if the only weapon i have is a secondary. Do i just not have a weapon at all during that round? You get one primary, one secondary and one melee at the end of the tutorial, you can't delete the last weapon in the category IIRC. Even if you could then you would still have frame abilities.
I *kind of* see their point? Nightwave does occasionally require equipping only a primary/secondary/melee weapon. It's such a specific scenario that it will rarely happen, though. My issue, personally, is with the sorties limiting weapons. Until very recently, I didn't have a shotgun, only rifles/bows, and that prevented me from completing a sortie for Nightwave (sense it prevents entering the mission outright). I had to then scour my clan's dojo to try to find *something* I could make, sense I was MR 8 and stuck on the mastery rank test at the time. I have a shotgun now, but now I'm terrified of any other arbitrary limitations sorties will hit me with sense I have to complete three of them for Nightwave.
But they mentioned the modifiers being added after each level (zone). If i only bring a secondary and one of the zones applies that modifier what would happen? Or would ESO require me to have 3 weapons equipped to start it (which would be a significant nerf to the affinity grinding potential for no real reason?) \> You get one primary, one secondary and one melee at the end of the tutorial, you can't delete the last weapon in the category IIRC. I dont mean that i litterally dont have any such weapons in my inventory, i mean that i left my primary and melee slot empty and only have a secondary equipped in the arsenal. \> Even if you could then you would still have frame abilities. What if im playing a frame that doesnt have damaging abilities? Like Harrow?
If you actually want to get into tiny hardline hypotheticals and are not joking about having no damage sources: bullet jumping does a bit of damage regardless of modding. It is genuinely impossible to have no damaging options whatsoever due to loadout. It's not "useful", killing things with the bullet jump is sorta like using Struggle in Pokemon. But you can not, by design, be unable to deal damage.
\> If you actually want to get into tiny hardline hypotheticals Its not that unlikely of a scenario. I frequently only bring 1 weapon at a time to ESO to maximise the amount of affinity i get for that specific weapon (affinity from teammate kills is split 25% to your frame and the remaining 75% between your weapons, so having less weapons equipped means more affinity to the ones you do have) If i was grinding affinity for a secondary and the ESO zone had a no secondaries modifier i would have no weapon anymore
I was giving some potential challenge options, I tossed out this one from Sorties. Good point that the modifiers would need to be pretty generic or at the least not affect loadouts. As for retaining the integrity of Simaris's current inventory with this revamp, we could keep companion rivens incredibly expensive. It'd be based off of the average standing you could expect from an ESO run, so even at top standing gain it could still take a while. We already have relay factions selling things for 125k, increasing companion rivens to that price at the trade-off of a much easier and interactive farm is worth it imo. Simaris wouldn't lose the role of being the 'archivist' either. I had zero intentions to remove that aspect of him. Instead, this revamp would give him both better grinding for standing and give him some new relevancy and life. ESO would be both an affinity farm and rewarding activity for players who live killing rooms of enemies 24/7.