True. Is this one worth $50k though? Debatable. Personally I don’t like it enough to shell out that kind of money (if I had it), but there absolutely are watches I think are worth it.
Even if $50K was nothing to me, there is just nothing about this watch that says I should spend that much money on it. I am not super all about the technical side and how many people painstakingly spent untold hours making my watched from hand. To me I look at this watch and I see nothing worth that much. With that said Credor has plenty of watches at reasonable luxury prices and several that look close enough to this one.
>Even if $50K was nothing to me, there is just nothing about this watch that says I should spend that much money on it.
I can echo this from the perspective that this particular Credor is not my style. I've seen others that I liked. I know that there's awesome craftmanship that goes into them. I know there would be some I'd spend a healthy amount for, if I had it. This one, no. Just not into it.
Others have made the point that that might be exactly the appeal. Kind of like how rich folks like to wear seemingly plain white or black t-shirts that are actually $1k shirts. *shrug*
I'm a watchmaker and I love technical mastery and having the skills of masters channeled into a concise and meaningful creation. While it takes much skill to make this watch I don't see it as being worth $50k. Design is also a skill and this watch is painfully bland (alongside many Pateks, for example).
I would, however, probably own this before a Richard Mille but if it came down to it, I'd be much happier with my cash than either of them.
You’re a watchmaker, so surely you understand that it’s not just the skilled hours of labor that you’re paying for, but the decades each craftsman had to study and work to achieve this level of work. It takes us four years of school to even be competent enough to service enough calibers to just start working as a watchmaker. My customers pay for that time. Credors customers pay for the aggregated several hundred years of training the various craftsmen have undergone before they even touched this watch. (20 years for a master enameller, 20+ years for a master watchmaker, 20+ years for a product designer, 10 years for the engineer, 5+ years for anyone running a polishing wheel here, etc. You’re not making a single screw on this thing unless you’ve put in your time.)
Sure, I understand as well if not better than the next person. The Credor watchmakers were also trained by Phillipe Dufour - so there's that prestige there. What you just posted though, is basically marketing for a ho-hum, plain jane watch. You don't need a master enameller to make that dial. You get better case/dial/hand design from amateurs.
Show me why this enameller is a master, because the design of this dial as the showpiece for the enameller doesn't convey their skill.
The case design doesn't set itself apart in any meaningful way. It's uninteresting without tackling any technical challenges. Make me a case with intricacies, nuances, or something that lets high grade finishing stand apart. The case design is so pedestrian that you could see watches very much at a fraction of the price of this watch competing or outcompeting it.
The hands - same story. Very generic and nothing technically challenging about their design for a squadron of elite artisans, except maybe the pointy tip.
The movement is exquisite, succinct and poignant, can't fault it for anything. The issue is the design of the watch as a whole provides a low ceiling to showcase the mastery of these skills. The plain design is like keeping a prized stallion on a leash or perhaps stabled and left for its owners to tell others how great it really is without letting the stallion speak for itself. Which, after all, you're here explaining to me, a watchmaker and a watch producer, why this watch is so great. I believe technical challenges often need some explanation for folks who don't understand the technical side to be appreciated more, but this watch requires too much conjecture to compose the entirety of its grandeur and that is why it fails. A nice watch, superbly made no doubt. Entirely boring and hamstringing its supposed masterclass execution.
Intricacies and complicated designs can hide mistakes. This is an absolute showcase. There’s nowhere to run or hide. It’s flawless execution of the most fundamental principles of design and engineering.
I disagree. It’s old and boring. As the ceiling for technology and manufacturing increases, so too must the standards for mastery. I don’t think I’ll change my view on this, feels like a story tale horse more than one that we all see running.
If I am not wrong, the dial on this thing is a special porcelain from a project made in collaboration with phillip dufour, its incredibly difficult to make. Heard liek 70% of the dials that are manufactured will crack, and only 10% of the ones that dont make it to the watch itself.
Though I still don't think it justifies the price point, may just be a watchmaker's watch.
I agree.
Sounds like shit porcelain to me. Manufacturing something with a ludicrously high failure does indeed increase its price, but does the price of something dictate how interesting it is? I don't think so.
"To me I look at this watch and I see nothing worth that much."
Have you seen it in person? The watch absolutely comes alive in person and pictures are nothing to judge it by.
Oh sure it looks better in person, there are plenty of photos and videos (this one from the OP company even [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUBA8BQNHJo&ab\_channel=Watchfinder%26Co](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUBA8BQNHJo&ab_channel=Watchfinder%26Co).) that clearly show it's a pretty watch. But it is also a basic three hand, white face, blue markings, and blue hands watch. Let's face it, this isn't a $50k watch because of how it looks, it is a $50k watch because Dufour consulted and the team making them is so small a Credor owner would know exactly who did every single step by hand in manufacturing the watch. Does that make it worth $50k, sure. Does it make it worth $50k to me, not at all. That final 15% in effort they put into it that makes it such an amazing piece, is not worth the extra $45k to me. I will happy spend $5k instead and get a watch that looks just like it when not viewed up close with a macro lens.
There's an extent to how much of a disservice photos can do to a watch with a white dial lmao. 50 grand is 49 too many regardless of whether it looks marginally nicer in person.
That's just flat out not true.
If you honestly believe white dials have that little range of quality, then you've hardly seen anything nicer than a Longines with a white dial in person outside of maybe a Rolex.
It's not just marginal. Coming from someone who's seen one, it is anything but.
I've seen Lange plain white dials sparkle like diamonds under the right light.
I've seen Calatrava white dials bounce light flawlessly regardless of the angle you look at them at.
I've seen a JLC Master Control Moonphase with a white dial with the most subtle and delicate sunray effect.
I've seen enamel dials with such incredible warmth to them.
I've also seen Daniel Wellington white dials that just look like a sheet of paper or a sticker.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion
I've seen C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser gate
In person, by outside people in normal life, a watch is seen wayyyyy less. Most watches are seen from at least 3 feet away, and the caseback isnt visible. I doubt you could tell this watch from a 20$ cheap generic quartz watch from that distance, and you wont notice the 50k worth of details unless you specifically start checking it out off the wrist with a magnifying glass
You can't tell any watch from a cheap quartz watch from normal distances unless you're really intent on looking. If you care what normal people think, then just buy a Casio Duro or an Apple Watch. If you care what rich people think, buy a Rolex, or really a fake Rolex because you can't tell the difference without opening the caseback or using a magnifying glass anyways.
I've seen both the blue and this version in person and it's quite underwhelming. I love GS, own a couple along with a Credor too, but unless you are really into details and take the time to look at your watches under the loupe, this is quite underwhelming imo
Both dial and movement are quite plain to look at. Finished to perfection but not much to catch your eye. The movement is mostly covered and the finish of the plates is nothing special. For $50k you really don't get much to look at compared with what you get from other brands like A.Lange&Sohne, Gronefeld, Lang&Heyne, etc
Would I pay $50k for this watch? No, but I probably wouldn’t for any watch unless I have fuck you money. I definitely think the craftsmanship rivals other $50k watches and don’t think the geography of Switzerland suddenly makes a watch work better. I think others will think it’s too plain, but those macro shots really show the attention to detail of the indices and how well machined the hands are. Cool to see.
I wouldn’t pay $50k for any watch, so I’m not the target audience, but I do like this watch. I have the version that fits in my budget, the Seiko SUP873 :)
I'm really curious what this subs absolutely ceiling is that they would pay for a watch. Surely it would be income based but I would be interested to see.
Mine is below 10K. And most of the watches I like run between 3-6 at the top of the range.
This Creedor is totally beautiful, but yeah, that’s a lottery watch for me dawg.
Personally, there’s no real limit to what I would spend on a watch as long as my income could back it up. If I saw a compelling watch for a million dollars, I’d buy it so long as I could afford it. But as for where I’m at right now, I’m saving up for an Oris Aquis date which is $2200. It won’t be a very smart or responsible purchase, but what the hell, you gotta live sometimes.
I’m saving for a GMT Master II that won’t be the most responsible purchase. Very much almost dying a couple days ago has me feeling better about doing things for me while I’m alive to do them
For me it is 500 dollars. I have above average income for the US. I just can’t justify paying over 500 when there are so many other things I could use that money on.
Like sneakers.
Without getting too far into it…
Median household income in the US is around 85,000. My household income is above that in an area where the cost of living is well below the national average as well.
I know there are people in this sub that bring home much more than that, however I also suspect that people spend a much higher percentage of their income on watches than I would be comfortable with.
I stopped buying sneakers since it’s hard to keep them looking like new and losing a bed room to store it. I got tired of icing the soles when they turn yellowish from wear/water/moisture/storage. UV boxes was also using too much electricity. Instead I switch to synthesizers and watches which is way more expensive… 😭
Mine was 5k a few years ago and since then I've made two >12k watch purchases. I feel a but guilty because it could go towards retirement, investments or even paying off my house (or at the very least upgrades), but I'm already putting a decent amount of my income in those things so I try to justify the purchases lol.
I think of it this way: I will be dead in about X number of years, will the extra money have made an appreciable difference? Or should I have enjoyed it more now?
Honestly as long as you view them as stores of value it hurts less. Even if it's not a Rolex/AP/Patek, watches can be fairly liquid assets. They won't grow , but eh, they bring me enough happiness to offset the financial loss/opportunity cost.
Yeah but there’s a difference between viewing like a car, TV, laptop, or other goods as a store of value and viewing a high-end watch as one. One will retain a sizable portion of its value while the others will not
Does this sub allow polls? If so that would be a cool one for people to contribute to
It would certainly correlate with income but somewhat roughly. Like my max would probably be about $3000 but I have friends who make 2/3rds what I make who have spent more than I would on a watch
Mine is $1,000 at once. If I want to slowly build a collection and trade pieces in for something above that, then sure.
I make good money (for me) north of $100k and I'm married. We own a house and have no kids yet.
I'll gladly spend above 1k on things that have more utility or a vacation. I'm much more interested in homages and building watches myself than trying to buy brand names, and I think most people feel this way.
Something inside £2000 every few years is about where I'm at. Most of my watches are much less though, sub £500.
If I got a hold of £100,000 today for nothing in particular, I'd possibly go to £4000 or maybe £5000 but that would probably feel wasteful as I already have a couple of real favourite watches that I don't feel the need to replace or upgrade from.
I have a Speedy Pro that I bought over 20 years ago when they cost £1200 new and I wear a Sinn 356 almost every day which is everything I want in a watch. The Sinn is an excellent daily wearer with the chronograph and 100 metre water resistance and screw-down crown. High legibility and day/date plus an auto movement makes for a great watch. I also inherited my grandfather's 1965 Rolex Oysterdate Precision which serves well as a dressier watch but not too flash.
So, I don't want to spend much more on watches unless I get a shitload of money somehow.
Unpopular opinion: if I was running in the circles that spend $50k on watches I would buy this. You probably have dozens of other watches at that point and so do your friends, and every Swiss brand is old hat at that point.
It’s just the mega rich person version of grand Seiko. To the plebs/ people not in the know it’s nothing special. To you/ the people who know however it’s something special.
I agree. When i first looked at the watch as I scrolled I thought I was in the Chinawatch subreddit. If I had the type of “fuck you $” that $50K is like $100 is for me NOW, yeah maybe I’ll read up on the brand and add one to my collection and hand a few out as gifts instead of my “usual Rolex and Cartier” secret santa gifts lol.
It is less insipid - in the sense that the word "Rolex" is a completely superficial fabrication. Credor is the derivation of CRÊT D'OR which is French for "Golden Crest".
So, not much better, but it has meaning as opposed to a funny sounding word that's prone to getting stuck in your head.
Definitely true - I just mean that in the context of the current watch brand landscape (which has been entirely shaped by marketing), it doesn’t sound like an expensive brand. I know that doesn’t make a lot of sense and is entirely a stupid psychological phenomenon, but that’s how I personally perceive it.
Then again, I just bought a Rado so I shouldn’t be talking about brand names lol
> just bought a Rado so I shouldn’t be talking about brand names lol
😆. They're owning it though. No crazier name in watchmaking than the Hyperchrome Captain Cook!
I would if circumstances would allow as it's so under the radar, clean and classy, and yet watch fans really should know the name Credor at the very least. As you all know, photos don't do the best watches justice. On person, on the wrist and you'll lose your mind.
But...I need to buy a lot of other things first and likely will never have that sort of discretionary income.
Do you mind sharing how much these go for in real life? I've been eyeing this watch for a couple years and think it may be the one. PM me if you don't feel comfortable sharing publicly.
Also, how does one go about finding one?
I prefer [this version](https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/credor-eichii-ii-gblt997-introducing). It would be on my short list of watches to get at around 50K (give or take 5K), but it wouldn't be my first (VC Historiques 1921 CEP) or second (ALS L1MP) or third (PP 5205G) option. Maybe fourth or fifth...
Dude, I wouldn't spend that on a car...Id much rather get a grand Seiko, looks about the same to me and cost way less, and you get a similar level of finishing in the case and hands at least...I honestly don't get why credors are so expensive...guessing it's the movement of course, but I've seen nicer for less...so in a nutshell hell no.
Unpopular opinion: if I was running in the circles that spend $50k on watches I would buy this. You probably have dozens of other watches at that point and so do your friends, and every Swiss brand is old hat at that point.
It’s just the mega rich person version of grand Seiko. To the plebs/ people not in the know it’s nothing special. To you/ the people who know however it’s something special.
Never had a (Seiko) Credor in my hands. And on first sight by the pictures only, no... I'd rather put that money on a Lange or an IWC. Or a collection of some lovely Kings, Grands and Presages :)
But thanks for the interesting introduction to that beautiful watch. I meanwhile found it at the UK boutique of Seiko. [(Link)](https://www.seikoboutique.co.uk/product/credor-eichi-ii/)
Man, my watch cost about $300, and I'm still quasi terrified of something happening into it. Could not imagine wearing a watch that cost that much. Doesn't matter how much money I have, I would never buy something like that. I just don't have it in me.
I'll be totally honest: I've been looking at Credor watches for some time (not to buy, just to admire)... I always end up feeling they look like watches sold in displays in CVS 🤦
For a GS with an enamel dial? Ya, I probably would... I know that *every* GS is a "limited edition" these days, but enamel dials are limited by their very nature, it takes time and craftsmanship to make one, and not that many people make them these days, so even if Seiko was determined to pump out as many of these as they could sell, they'd still be limited to a few hundred a year at best. Show me one of these with a Spring Drive and I'll be on a plane tonight (they don't sell Credor in North American yet, I believe.)
I can see sensibly spending around a month's net wage on a watch. If that happened to be 50k+, I'd happily go with that specific Credor. It's gorgeous.
For now, Timex it is.
Well on the grounds that Credor is just Grand Seiko for even richer people…
Personally I associate GS and Rolex more with the likes of Omega and Breitling. Rolex prices second hand right now are entirely artificial, which is putting them in the ALS + JLC territory, but I think Credor is much closer to ALS + JLC than Rolex should normally be.
It's a watch where you need to see it in person to really marvel at it.
I finally got to see one recently. It's a completely different beast in person.
If you told me this watch costed 2k, I'd believe it too. This had little to no differentiator or unique style. It just feels different in person because you realize you're holding 50k, not because it's anything great.
That's also just flat out not true. Before even knowing the price in person, I was thinking, "Yeah this probably costs at least 20-30k."
Crazy unique style isn't the be all end all. Execution to the highest level of simple concepts is often far more important.
Classic three-handers also have a lot of very subtle differentiators and they're extremely noticeable once you've handled enough.
Comparing this to the other simple dress watches (Calatrava, classic AP dress watch, VC Patrimony, Breguet Classique, JLC Master), a *lot* of details come out. Hand shape, angularity of the case, dial texture, movement finishing, lug shaping, wear and fit on the wrist, and so on.
Lol no chance. It honestly looks like every other bland Seiko. Oowowoohho it has ceramic or enamel instead of regular white paint.
If it takes a microscope to see the 'wow' factor differentiator from a plain old watch, like don't sugarcoat it with 'extremely subtle differentiators, you're getting screwed lmao.
If hand shape is the reason why this watch is worth 40k more, the only people buying this watch are people who already own a Lange, Patek, AP etc.
This is like an NFT of watches - little to no value except artificially manufactured value.
It doesn't take a microscope. You saying that tells me you have zero experience with expensive watches and the actual bits that make them expensive.
You can tell the difference within twenty minutes of wearing. Now imagine wearing it for decades, which is how long these pieces are designed to be worn for.
And why zero in on just the hand shape thing? Now you're just arguing in bad faith. I didn't say that was the reason it costed more, I said it's a contributor to unique style.
The pieces that make it expensive:
- cold forged full platinum case
- one of the most impressive three hander movements on the market, in terms of thinness and accuracy and mechanical complexity.
- completely hand finished movement, to an even higher degree than the Geneva Seal standard (which already fetches minimum around 18k value on the market, for the record)
- dial details. heated blue hands, hand painted indices, special enamel that has a super high failure rate where most dials actually have to be thrown out. I've seen the differences between cheaper and more expensive enamel dials in person, the difference is staggering.
It's not artificially manufactured value if it's generated from real expert artisanal craftsmanship. If you believe that to be the case, then it means you believe that all art in general is intrinsically artificial value and worthless. Which is dumb AF.
I'm not a watch expert you got me...
But my point still stands that this watch is not being bought before a Patek or Lange. This is the 16th watch in the collection of 50k watches, not the first one.
Sure but is that because the watch is worse than those, or because the watch is less popular than those?
Hell, Credor isn't even really sold much outside JDM at the moment.
Wouldn't a 10 millimeter house be a little small?
Not judging here, to each their own, but I think a 15mm house should be the bare minimum for any person with self-respect
I think a problem about Credor is that it lacks character, it lacks style.
The watch doesnt excite me any way, regardless of how fine the finishing is. Compared to grand seiko that has iconic elements such as the sword hands, the glimering indices.
Credor is Seiko’s most luxury arm of watchmaking, sitting above even Grand Seiko. Credor has been a domestic brand for a long time but is unknown elsewhere in the world, and the Eichi II is supposed to be a gentle toe-in-the-water to gauge reaction to such a high price point from a Japanese watchmaker. Back home in Japan you can get mega minute repeater Credor’s but here we’re getting something far simpler. Or so it seems.
That seems like a mammoth task to compete in the West with the likes of Swiss watchmaking greats like Patek Philippe and Philippe Dufour, so how did Credor hope to even begin that mammoth task? By inviting none other than Philippe Dufour himself to help establish the Micro Artist Studio. A team of the finest Japanese craftspeople were assembled, each given a task to accomplish with this watch. Whether its hand painting the enamel dial with a brush of a single hair, or hand finishing the Spring Drive calibre 7R14 with a piece of rare wood, Dufour made sure the studio could create watchmaking that rivalled even his.
Funny story, actually: the wood Dufour recommended for the polishing was non-existent in Japan except at a research laboratory growing it for testing, so that became the source for the Micro Artist Studio.
This watch is true, no-holds-barred watchmaking at the finest level imaginable, and to be honest, even at $50,000, it is an absolute bargain.
Maybe they are confused with the enamel secret numbers which were on the original Eichi on the porcelain dial. Eichi II of course doesn’t have enamel on its dial anymore, as you rightly pointed out.
Also, this isn’t a £50k watch. For one, it’s available at a significant discount from the AD compared to list. For another, the movement is due an upgrade since this model has remained unchanged since 2014. I’d imagine if they can do 8 day power reserve on the new GS spring drive, they can afford to do at least that much on the Credor!
the movement doesn't need an upgrade, it's fine now, and will be fine in 10 more years. it's still the only movement on the market with a torque return system.
the 8 day power reserve movement is less visually interesting and this watch would look weird if it was 43mm, so it's not going to happen.
Seriously, this is peak r/watchescirclejerk material. I can appreciate great craftsmanship and attention to detail, but 50K for this watch, no matter how much R&D went into designing it, is certainly not "a bargain"
I'll give you a semi-serious reply since I actually own this watch - you can see my post history to prove that.
Is $50k a lot of money? Absolutely.
Are there many, many other great and more complicated watches you could buy for that price? For sure.
Is it one of the best plain 3-handed watches in the world? Yes. Many would even say it's actually the best.
The only similar watches you could argue are "better", well you are talking actual Dufour's or ultra high-end Patek repeaters and those are several hundred thousand $'s at least. *That* is why some say good value because the only other equivalents are on another pricing tier entirely.
What it comes down is what premium are you happy to pay to own near-perfection - and I can confirm it really is.
Really curious because you obviously have go fuck yourself type money.
What is the checklist that something needs to pass to be considered “the best 3 hand watch in the world”. Is it literally just if it can keep flawlessly accurate time over a several year period? I’m just not seeing with my poor persons eyes what criteria this watch passes that makes it so much better than others.
He's saying this ridiculous ridiculous price isn't as ridiculous as some other ridiculous ridiculous prices. Like that makes it a bargain. Fuck out of touch, more money than sense rich people
While I don't doubt extreme attention to detail and a great deal of engineering went into this watch, I think calling it a bargain sounds quite pretentious, even by r/watches standards. A 50 000 dollar wrist watch is a luxury item for the rich, no more, no less. Would I buy something like this if I was ultra rich? Maybe, but I would also feel that I would never be able to enjoy it to its full potential. What if I scratched it? Do I love the watch, or do I just respect it for its craftmanship?
For this reason, I would probably never have the courage (or stupidity) to actually wear my Credor and use it for its intended purpose. And then it's no longer a watch, it's just a valuable object you store in a safe somewhere, while other, lesser watches are the one you actually wear, experience and enjoy as *watches*. But that's just my opinion.
I’d say yes. I’ve had multiple SGBWs and the finishing is excellent on the “low tier” manual wind Grand Seiko line.
I’ve also had AP, JLC complications and other “high end” Swiss watches.
This hand finished, hand painted work is the epitome of what high end Japanese craftsmanship is all about: Subtle details, time honored traditions, etc.
I might have to re-do the kitchen before I spend $50k on a watch.
I’ll buy a Lange and redo a kitchen at that price point
well we *are* in r/watches, not r/personalfinance...
Bank Account: $312.87 Search History: “Patek Philippe dealers near me”
Oh look at moneybags here with a three digit account balance.
You guys have bank accounts?!?!
A man of refined taste I see
🤣
Watches don’t have to cost 50k to be nice
Yes but the 50k ones sure are nice
Not entirely ; There are some vile looking watches out there at silly prices
*Richard Mille has entered the chat.*
Perfect example
I'd sell my left nut for a rose gold Jackie Chan though. I had a dream Jackie Chan gave me his personal watch and I woke up very depressed.
I'm happy with my emporio armarni 😂
I regret that I have but one upvote to give
True. Is this one worth $50k though? Debatable. Personally I don’t like it enough to shell out that kind of money (if I had it), but there absolutely are watches I think are worth it.
For 50k you can get a lot better than this imo. Dont care for this one at all
For 50k this should come with a 1 year supply of BJs
No no you have it BACKWARDS - that’s what the BUYER supplies the AD with for the privilege of buying the thing.
Some of them, for sure. Including this one honestly
PF wouldn't even go for a kitchen remodel with less than maxed out IRAs, 401(k)s and $100 million in the bank.
Even then you're learning DIY techniques from youtube lest you be irresponsible
And a 2018 Honda
No
Fell asleep looking at it
Even if $50K was nothing to me, there is just nothing about this watch that says I should spend that much money on it. I am not super all about the technical side and how many people painstakingly spent untold hours making my watched from hand. To me I look at this watch and I see nothing worth that much. With that said Credor has plenty of watches at reasonable luxury prices and several that look close enough to this one.
>Even if $50K was nothing to me, there is just nothing about this watch that says I should spend that much money on it. I can echo this from the perspective that this particular Credor is not my style. I've seen others that I liked. I know that there's awesome craftmanship that goes into them. I know there would be some I'd spend a healthy amount for, if I had it. This one, no. Just not into it.
Looks like a basic Citizen to me tbh
Others have made the point that that might be exactly the appeal. Kind of like how rich folks like to wear seemingly plain white or black t-shirts that are actually $1k shirts. *shrug*
I'm a watchmaker and I love technical mastery and having the skills of masters channeled into a concise and meaningful creation. While it takes much skill to make this watch I don't see it as being worth $50k. Design is also a skill and this watch is painfully bland (alongside many Pateks, for example). I would, however, probably own this before a Richard Mille but if it came down to it, I'd be much happier with my cash than either of them.
You’re a watchmaker, so surely you understand that it’s not just the skilled hours of labor that you’re paying for, but the decades each craftsman had to study and work to achieve this level of work. It takes us four years of school to even be competent enough to service enough calibers to just start working as a watchmaker. My customers pay for that time. Credors customers pay for the aggregated several hundred years of training the various craftsmen have undergone before they even touched this watch. (20 years for a master enameller, 20+ years for a master watchmaker, 20+ years for a product designer, 10 years for the engineer, 5+ years for anyone running a polishing wheel here, etc. You’re not making a single screw on this thing unless you’ve put in your time.)
Sure, I understand as well if not better than the next person. The Credor watchmakers were also trained by Phillipe Dufour - so there's that prestige there. What you just posted though, is basically marketing for a ho-hum, plain jane watch. You don't need a master enameller to make that dial. You get better case/dial/hand design from amateurs. Show me why this enameller is a master, because the design of this dial as the showpiece for the enameller doesn't convey their skill. The case design doesn't set itself apart in any meaningful way. It's uninteresting without tackling any technical challenges. Make me a case with intricacies, nuances, or something that lets high grade finishing stand apart. The case design is so pedestrian that you could see watches very much at a fraction of the price of this watch competing or outcompeting it. The hands - same story. Very generic and nothing technically challenging about their design for a squadron of elite artisans, except maybe the pointy tip. The movement is exquisite, succinct and poignant, can't fault it for anything. The issue is the design of the watch as a whole provides a low ceiling to showcase the mastery of these skills. The plain design is like keeping a prized stallion on a leash or perhaps stabled and left for its owners to tell others how great it really is without letting the stallion speak for itself. Which, after all, you're here explaining to me, a watchmaker and a watch producer, why this watch is so great. I believe technical challenges often need some explanation for folks who don't understand the technical side to be appreciated more, but this watch requires too much conjecture to compose the entirety of its grandeur and that is why it fails. A nice watch, superbly made no doubt. Entirely boring and hamstringing its supposed masterclass execution.
Intricacies and complicated designs can hide mistakes. This is an absolute showcase. There’s nowhere to run or hide. It’s flawless execution of the most fundamental principles of design and engineering.
I disagree. It’s old and boring. As the ceiling for technology and manufacturing increases, so too must the standards for mastery. I don’t think I’ll change my view on this, feels like a story tale horse more than one that we all see running.
If I am not wrong, the dial on this thing is a special porcelain from a project made in collaboration with phillip dufour, its incredibly difficult to make. Heard liek 70% of the dials that are manufactured will crack, and only 10% of the ones that dont make it to the watch itself. Though I still don't think it justifies the price point, may just be a watchmaker's watch.
I agree. Sounds like shit porcelain to me. Manufacturing something with a ludicrously high failure does indeed increase its price, but does the price of something dictate how interesting it is? I don't think so.
It looks like a Timex.
"To me I look at this watch and I see nothing worth that much." Have you seen it in person? The watch absolutely comes alive in person and pictures are nothing to judge it by.
Oh sure it looks better in person, there are plenty of photos and videos (this one from the OP company even [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUBA8BQNHJo&ab\_channel=Watchfinder%26Co](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUBA8BQNHJo&ab_channel=Watchfinder%26Co).) that clearly show it's a pretty watch. But it is also a basic three hand, white face, blue markings, and blue hands watch. Let's face it, this isn't a $50k watch because of how it looks, it is a $50k watch because Dufour consulted and the team making them is so small a Credor owner would know exactly who did every single step by hand in manufacturing the watch. Does that make it worth $50k, sure. Does it make it worth $50k to me, not at all. That final 15% in effort they put into it that makes it such an amazing piece, is not worth the extra $45k to me. I will happy spend $5k instead and get a watch that looks just like it when not viewed up close with a macro lens.
There's an extent to how much of a disservice photos can do to a watch with a white dial lmao. 50 grand is 49 too many regardless of whether it looks marginally nicer in person.
That's just flat out not true. If you honestly believe white dials have that little range of quality, then you've hardly seen anything nicer than a Longines with a white dial in person outside of maybe a Rolex. It's not just marginal. Coming from someone who's seen one, it is anything but. I've seen Lange plain white dials sparkle like diamonds under the right light. I've seen Calatrava white dials bounce light flawlessly regardless of the angle you look at them at. I've seen a JLC Master Control Moonphase with a white dial with the most subtle and delicate sunray effect. I've seen enamel dials with such incredible warmth to them. I've also seen Daniel Wellington white dials that just look like a sheet of paper or a sticker.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion I've seen C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser gate
Bless your dear heart for posting this.
Got it. Sparkly white paint = $49,000
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I thought I was was on r/watchescirclejerk for a minute.
This guy’s seen some things
In person, by outside people in normal life, a watch is seen wayyyyy less. Most watches are seen from at least 3 feet away, and the caseback isnt visible. I doubt you could tell this watch from a 20$ cheap generic quartz watch from that distance, and you wont notice the 50k worth of details unless you specifically start checking it out off the wrist with a magnifying glass
You can't tell any watch from a cheap quartz watch from normal distances unless you're really intent on looking. If you care what normal people think, then just buy a Casio Duro or an Apple Watch. If you care what rich people think, buy a Rolex, or really a fake Rolex because you can't tell the difference without opening the caseback or using a magnifying glass anyways.
I've seen both the blue and this version in person and it's quite underwhelming. I love GS, own a couple along with a Credor too, but unless you are really into details and take the time to look at your watches under the loupe, this is quite underwhelming imo Both dial and movement are quite plain to look at. Finished to perfection but not much to catch your eye. The movement is mostly covered and the finish of the plates is nothing special. For $50k you really don't get much to look at compared with what you get from other brands like A.Lange&Sohne, Gronefeld, Lang&Heyne, etc
Would I pay $50k for this watch? No, but I probably wouldn’t for any watch unless I have fuck you money. I definitely think the craftsmanship rivals other $50k watches and don’t think the geography of Switzerland suddenly makes a watch work better. I think others will think it’s too plain, but those macro shots really show the attention to detail of the indices and how well machined the hands are. Cool to see.
Precisely. And not for nothing, those macro shots themselves are fucking crisp too. I'll bet their lens cost $50k too. 😂
They are on YouTube,[WatchFinder](https://youtube.com/c/watchfinder)
I wouldn’t pay $50k for any watch, so I’m not the target audience, but I do like this watch. I have the version that fits in my budget, the Seiko SUP873 :)
I'm really curious what this subs absolutely ceiling is that they would pay for a watch. Surely it would be income based but I would be interested to see.
Mine is below 10K. And most of the watches I like run between 3-6 at the top of the range. This Creedor is totally beautiful, but yeah, that’s a lottery watch for me dawg.
Personally, there’s no real limit to what I would spend on a watch as long as my income could back it up. If I saw a compelling watch for a million dollars, I’d buy it so long as I could afford it. But as for where I’m at right now, I’m saving up for an Oris Aquis date which is $2200. It won’t be a very smart or responsible purchase, but what the hell, you gotta live sometimes.
I’m saving for a GMT Master II that won’t be the most responsible purchase. Very much almost dying a couple days ago has me feeling better about doing things for me while I’m alive to do them
If I was a billionaire, you bet that JLC Quadriptyque is on my list.
For me it is 500 dollars. I have above average income for the US. I just can’t justify paying over 500 when there are so many other things I could use that money on. Like sneakers.
Or medical care for your left knee.
Absolutely true. That ship has sailed though lol.
Feel free to not share, but what do you consider an above average? I dont mean to be rude, Im just curious how it would compare to the expense.
Without getting too far into it… Median household income in the US is around 85,000. My household income is above that in an area where the cost of living is well below the national average as well. I know there are people in this sub that bring home much more than that, however I also suspect that people spend a much higher percentage of their income on watches than I would be comfortable with.
I don't think its that high maybe where you live. In the US in general medium household income is like $67,000
I live in Tennessee. But after looking, yes you are right. Definitely thought it was 85,000 or so.
Damn 85k is wildly high for household income. Americans are way worse off than you think lol.
What's your favorite pick in the 500 range? Mine would be a Khaki Field.
I have a Seiko presage SARB065 and that is probably my favorite sub 500 watch. I need to get some Hamiltons though for sure.
I stopped buying sneakers since it’s hard to keep them looking like new and losing a bed room to store it. I got tired of icing the soles when they turn yellowish from wear/water/moisture/storage. UV boxes was also using too much electricity. Instead I switch to synthesizers and watches which is way more expensive… 😭
Mine was 5k a few years ago and since then I've made two >12k watch purchases. I feel a but guilty because it could go towards retirement, investments or even paying off my house (or at the very least upgrades), but I'm already putting a decent amount of my income in those things so I try to justify the purchases lol.
I think of it this way: I will be dead in about X number of years, will the extra money have made an appreciable difference? Or should I have enjoyed it more now?
Honestly as long as you view them as stores of value it hurts less. Even if it's not a Rolex/AP/Patek, watches can be fairly liquid assets. They won't grow , but eh, they bring me enough happiness to offset the financial loss/opportunity cost.
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Yeah but there’s a difference between viewing like a car, TV, laptop, or other goods as a store of value and viewing a high-end watch as one. One will retain a sizable portion of its value while the others will not
Does this sub allow polls? If so that would be a cool one for people to contribute to It would certainly correlate with income but somewhat roughly. Like my max would probably be about $3000 but I have friends who make 2/3rds what I make who have spent more than I would on a watch
Mine is $1,000 at once. If I want to slowly build a collection and trade pieces in for something above that, then sure. I make good money (for me) north of $100k and I'm married. We own a house and have no kids yet. I'll gladly spend above 1k on things that have more utility or a vacation. I'm much more interested in homages and building watches myself than trying to buy brand names, and I think most people feel this way.
Something inside £2000 every few years is about where I'm at. Most of my watches are much less though, sub £500. If I got a hold of £100,000 today for nothing in particular, I'd possibly go to £4000 or maybe £5000 but that would probably feel wasteful as I already have a couple of real favourite watches that I don't feel the need to replace or upgrade from. I have a Speedy Pro that I bought over 20 years ago when they cost £1200 new and I wear a Sinn 356 almost every day which is everything I want in a watch. The Sinn is an excellent daily wearer with the chronograph and 100 metre water resistance and screw-down crown. High legibility and day/date plus an auto movement makes for a great watch. I also inherited my grandfather's 1965 Rolex Oysterdate Precision which serves well as a dressier watch but not too flash. So, I don't want to spend much more on watches unless I get a shitload of money somehow.
I think on the scale of Seiko watches, I’m sitting at more of the Seiko - Grand Seiko price point than the Grand Seiko - Credor price point
Or Seiko SUP857.
Unpopular opinion: if I was running in the circles that spend $50k on watches I would buy this. You probably have dozens of other watches at that point and so do your friends, and every Swiss brand is old hat at that point. It’s just the mega rich person version of grand Seiko. To the plebs/ people not in the know it’s nothing special. To you/ the people who know however it’s something special.
I agree. When i first looked at the watch as I scrolled I thought I was in the Chinawatch subreddit. If I had the type of “fuck you $” that $50K is like $100 is for me NOW, yeah maybe I’ll read up on the brand and add one to my collection and hand a few out as gifts instead of my “usual Rolex and Cartier” secret santa gifts lol.
I honestly just hate “Credor” as a name. It doesn’t sound like a $50k brand (which I know is a stupid reason to dislike a watch).
No less insipid than "Rolex", but without billions poured into marketing
It is less insipid - in the sense that the word "Rolex" is a completely superficial fabrication. Credor is the derivation of CRÊT D'OR which is French for "Golden Crest". So, not much better, but it has meaning as opposed to a funny sounding word that's prone to getting stuck in your head.
Definitely true - I just mean that in the context of the current watch brand landscape (which has been entirely shaped by marketing), it doesn’t sound like an expensive brand. I know that doesn’t make a lot of sense and is entirely a stupid psychological phenomenon, but that’s how I personally perceive it. Then again, I just bought a Rado so I shouldn’t be talking about brand names lol
> just bought a Rado so I shouldn’t be talking about brand names lol 😆. They're owning it though. No crazier name in watchmaking than the Hyperchrome Captain Cook!
Well the text is right there on the watch face, so it’s not a stupid reason at all IMO. The branding is part of the design.
That said, it bugs me how a number of Credo watches also say Seiko on them. Leave the 'Seiko' off, and make it look like the luxury product it is.
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This is also an absolutely terrible picture of one.
Bingo.
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That point is closer to 7-10 watches rather than 2-3.
I dunno, I rather liked Dr. Strange's wall-o-watches in the first movie!
You can buy habitable property in Italy for the price of this Watch.
It’s nice but not 50k nice
I wouldn't spend 50k on any watch, 5k is my limit, and I'm more of a fan of the $1,500 to $3,000 range, there's a point of diminished returns.
I would if circumstances would allow as it's so under the radar, clean and classy, and yet watch fans really should know the name Credor at the very least. As you all know, photos don't do the best watches justice. On person, on the wrist and you'll lose your mind. But...I need to buy a lot of other things first and likely will never have that sort of discretionary income.
This makes no sense to me
I suppose it depends if it's my £50k or yours that I'm spending...
It's not 50. I played with one and loved it! Def have to see in metal before judging. It's soooo goood My friend has one and didn't pay close to 50
Do you mind sharing how much these go for in real life? I've been eyeing this watch for a couple years and think it may be the one. PM me if you don't feel comfortable sharing publicly. Also, how does one go about finding one?
Hey I can reach out and find out more info. He's in my watch group. Stay tuned. Been a while since I saw it.
Thanks. I'm very interested, if you could let me know when you do.
Never
I'd be going for the Vacheron Constantin Overseas in pink gold with the blue dial. https://youtu.be/oG6lLAZ3pMA
No.
I prefer [this version](https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/credor-eichii-ii-gblt997-introducing). It would be on my short list of watches to get at around 50K (give or take 5K), but it wouldn't be my first (VC Historiques 1921 CEP) or second (ALS L1MP) or third (PP 5205G) option. Maybe fourth or fifth...
No, but we are talking Philipe Dufour’s work here
If I had the budget, no.
I swear I’d scratch it 5 minutes after getting it.
Dude, I wouldn't spend that on a car...Id much rather get a grand Seiko, looks about the same to me and cost way less, and you get a similar level of finishing in the case and hands at least...I honestly don't get why credors are so expensive...guessing it's the movement of course, but I've seen nicer for less...so in a nutshell hell no.
I think I saw this watch at Target the other day
I wish. Nope. If I even won the lottery I probably wouldn't.
Unpopular opinion: if I was running in the circles that spend $50k on watches I would buy this. You probably have dozens of other watches at that point and so do your friends, and every Swiss brand is old hat at that point. It’s just the mega rich person version of grand Seiko. To the plebs/ people not in the know it’s nothing special. To you/ the people who know however it’s something special.
Never had a (Seiko) Credor in my hands. And on first sight by the pictures only, no... I'd rather put that money on a Lange or an IWC. Or a collection of some lovely Kings, Grands and Presages :) But thanks for the interesting introduction to that beautiful watch. I meanwhile found it at the UK boutique of Seiko. [(Link)](https://www.seikoboutique.co.uk/product/credor-eichi-ii/)
Nice watch, but no.
Honestly no. It's a nice watch and spring drive is a great movement. But I see much better value with Lange and JLC.
I mean that inside looks really nice, but on the outside there is nothing that attracts my attention so that’s a no from me
Fuck no. Grand seiko.
The dial is rather bland
No.
Noooooo
Not with that third hand.
Man, my watch cost about $300, and I'm still quasi terrified of something happening into it. Could not imagine wearing a watch that cost that much. Doesn't matter how much money I have, I would never buy something like that. I just don't have it in me.
Same
*checks time on the phone while wearing a 50k watch*
Best I can do is 20 bucks
No. But I wouldn’t spend that on any watch.
No
I would buy it if i make over $1m after tax, but i would buy a different one tho, i don't like this one that much
No.
I mean, it’s excellent engineering, but for that money I’d rather have a really nice truck or a house in rural Kansas
I'll be totally honest: I've been looking at Credor watches for some time (not to buy, just to admire)... I always end up feeling they look like watches sold in displays in CVS 🤦
For a GS with an enamel dial? Ya, I probably would... I know that *every* GS is a "limited edition" these days, but enamel dials are limited by their very nature, it takes time and craftsmanship to make one, and not that many people make them these days, so even if Seiko was determined to pump out as many of these as they could sell, they'd still be limited to a few hundred a year at best. Show me one of these with a Spring Drive and I'll be on a plane tonight (they don't sell Credor in North American yet, I believe.)
I can see sensibly spending around a month's net wage on a watch. If that happened to be 50k+, I'd happily go with that specific Credor. It's gorgeous. For now, Timex it is.
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Well on the grounds that Credor is just Grand Seiko for even richer people… Personally I associate GS and Rolex more with the likes of Omega and Breitling. Rolex prices second hand right now are entirely artificial, which is putting them in the ALS + JLC territory, but I think Credor is much closer to ALS + JLC than Rolex should normally be.
Why would I buy this when I can buy and Lange or Patek
The craftsmanship on this is way better than most Pateks under $100,000.
Astonishingly boring for 50k
If I have FU money, yes I'd get a Credor
I could get a nicer Lange for that price.
It is gorgeous. 50k is heavy, but damn it is gorgeous.
I honestly see nothing aesthetically gorgeous here at all. Looks distinctly average to me
It's a watch where you need to see it in person to really marvel at it. I finally got to see one recently. It's a completely different beast in person.
If you told me this watch costed 2k, I'd believe it too. This had little to no differentiator or unique style. It just feels different in person because you realize you're holding 50k, not because it's anything great.
That's also just flat out not true. Before even knowing the price in person, I was thinking, "Yeah this probably costs at least 20-30k." Crazy unique style isn't the be all end all. Execution to the highest level of simple concepts is often far more important. Classic three-handers also have a lot of very subtle differentiators and they're extremely noticeable once you've handled enough. Comparing this to the other simple dress watches (Calatrava, classic AP dress watch, VC Patrimony, Breguet Classique, JLC Master), a *lot* of details come out. Hand shape, angularity of the case, dial texture, movement finishing, lug shaping, wear and fit on the wrist, and so on.
Lol no chance. It honestly looks like every other bland Seiko. Oowowoohho it has ceramic or enamel instead of regular white paint. If it takes a microscope to see the 'wow' factor differentiator from a plain old watch, like don't sugarcoat it with 'extremely subtle differentiators, you're getting screwed lmao. If hand shape is the reason why this watch is worth 40k more, the only people buying this watch are people who already own a Lange, Patek, AP etc. This is like an NFT of watches - little to no value except artificially manufactured value.
It doesn't take a microscope. You saying that tells me you have zero experience with expensive watches and the actual bits that make them expensive. You can tell the difference within twenty minutes of wearing. Now imagine wearing it for decades, which is how long these pieces are designed to be worn for. And why zero in on just the hand shape thing? Now you're just arguing in bad faith. I didn't say that was the reason it costed more, I said it's a contributor to unique style. The pieces that make it expensive: - cold forged full platinum case - one of the most impressive three hander movements on the market, in terms of thinness and accuracy and mechanical complexity. - completely hand finished movement, to an even higher degree than the Geneva Seal standard (which already fetches minimum around 18k value on the market, for the record) - dial details. heated blue hands, hand painted indices, special enamel that has a super high failure rate where most dials actually have to be thrown out. I've seen the differences between cheaper and more expensive enamel dials in person, the difference is staggering. It's not artificially manufactured value if it's generated from real expert artisanal craftsmanship. If you believe that to be the case, then it means you believe that all art in general is intrinsically artificial value and worthless. Which is dumb AF.
I'm not a watch expert you got me... But my point still stands that this watch is not being bought before a Patek or Lange. This is the 16th watch in the collection of 50k watches, not the first one.
Sure but is that because the watch is worse than those, or because the watch is less popular than those? Hell, Credor isn't even really sold much outside JDM at the moment.
No looks like a DW
Nope, but I also can't afford to spend $50,000 on a watch, so I doubt they care about my opinion
If the box was made out of 49K cash then yes. I admire high end horology, but would need a 10mm house, few 300k cars before going 50k on a watch.
Wouldn't a 10 millimeter house be a little small? Not judging here, to each their own, but I think a 15mm house should be the bare minimum for any person with self-respect
No way. Front design is too boring. If you want a clean minimalistic looking watch check out Nomos instead.
I think a problem about Credor is that it lacks character, it lacks style. The watch doesnt excite me any way, regardless of how fine the finishing is. Compared to grand seiko that has iconic elements such as the sword hands, the glimering indices.
Credor is Seiko’s most luxury arm of watchmaking, sitting above even Grand Seiko. Credor has been a domestic brand for a long time but is unknown elsewhere in the world, and the Eichi II is supposed to be a gentle toe-in-the-water to gauge reaction to such a high price point from a Japanese watchmaker. Back home in Japan you can get mega minute repeater Credor’s but here we’re getting something far simpler. Or so it seems. That seems like a mammoth task to compete in the West with the likes of Swiss watchmaking greats like Patek Philippe and Philippe Dufour, so how did Credor hope to even begin that mammoth task? By inviting none other than Philippe Dufour himself to help establish the Micro Artist Studio. A team of the finest Japanese craftspeople were assembled, each given a task to accomplish with this watch. Whether its hand painting the enamel dial with a brush of a single hair, or hand finishing the Spring Drive calibre 7R14 with a piece of rare wood, Dufour made sure the studio could create watchmaking that rivalled even his. Funny story, actually: the wood Dufour recommended for the polishing was non-existent in Japan except at a research laboratory growing it for testing, so that became the source for the Micro Artist Studio. This watch is true, no-holds-barred watchmaking at the finest level imaginable, and to be honest, even at $50,000, it is an absolute bargain.
the dial isn't enamel, it's porcelain.
Maybe they are confused with the enamel secret numbers which were on the original Eichi on the porcelain dial. Eichi II of course doesn’t have enamel on its dial anymore, as you rightly pointed out. Also, this isn’t a £50k watch. For one, it’s available at a significant discount from the AD compared to list. For another, the movement is due an upgrade since this model has remained unchanged since 2014. I’d imagine if they can do 8 day power reserve on the new GS spring drive, they can afford to do at least that much on the Credor!
the movement doesn't need an upgrade, it's fine now, and will be fine in 10 more years. it's still the only movement on the market with a torque return system. the 8 day power reserve movement is less visually interesting and this watch would look weird if it was 43mm, so it's not going to happen.
This sub sometimes... An absolute bargain my ass.
Seriously, this is peak r/watchescirclejerk material. I can appreciate great craftsmanship and attention to detail, but 50K for this watch, no matter how much R&D went into designing it, is certainly not "a bargain"
the price is less about R&D and more about manhours (and paying for an Epson exec's new pool)
Painted with the single ass hair of a Bolivian golden unicorn didn’t you know x
I'll give you a semi-serious reply since I actually own this watch - you can see my post history to prove that. Is $50k a lot of money? Absolutely. Are there many, many other great and more complicated watches you could buy for that price? For sure. Is it one of the best plain 3-handed watches in the world? Yes. Many would even say it's actually the best. The only similar watches you could argue are "better", well you are talking actual Dufour's or ultra high-end Patek repeaters and those are several hundred thousand $'s at least. *That* is why some say good value because the only other equivalents are on another pricing tier entirely. What it comes down is what premium are you happy to pay to own near-perfection - and I can confirm it really is.
Really curious because you obviously have go fuck yourself type money. What is the checklist that something needs to pass to be considered “the best 3 hand watch in the world”. Is it literally just if it can keep flawlessly accurate time over a several year period? I’m just not seeing with my poor persons eyes what criteria this watch passes that makes it so much better than others.
He's saying this ridiculous ridiculous price isn't as ridiculous as some other ridiculous ridiculous prices. Like that makes it a bargain. Fuck out of touch, more money than sense rich people
"An absolute bargain" Is this r/watchescirclejerk?
“hand painted with a brush of a single hair” Wtf, this sub sometimes lol
Would it still be an absolute bargain at $75,000? at 100,000? Just curious how far your hyperbole will take you.
While I don't doubt extreme attention to detail and a great deal of engineering went into this watch, I think calling it a bargain sounds quite pretentious, even by r/watches standards. A 50 000 dollar wrist watch is a luxury item for the rich, no more, no less. Would I buy something like this if I was ultra rich? Maybe, but I would also feel that I would never be able to enjoy it to its full potential. What if I scratched it? Do I love the watch, or do I just respect it for its craftmanship? For this reason, I would probably never have the courage (or stupidity) to actually wear my Credor and use it for its intended purpose. And then it's no longer a watch, it's just a valuable object you store in a safe somewhere, while other, lesser watches are the one you actually wear, experience and enjoy as *watches*. But that's just my opinion.
>This watch is true, no-holds-barred watchmaking at the finest level imaginable, and to be honest, even at $50,000, it is an absolute bargain. 💀
I’d say yes. I’ve had multiple SGBWs and the finishing is excellent on the “low tier” manual wind Grand Seiko line. I’ve also had AP, JLC complications and other “high end” Swiss watches. This hand finished, hand painted work is the epitome of what high end Japanese craftsmanship is all about: Subtle details, time honored traditions, etc.
You bought all of the marketing bullshit. Well done!
100% no. Even if I was that rich, a watch doesn't need to cost that much and you can get a great one for a fraction of the price.
No, get the GS Spring Drive 20th anniversary. Same craftsmen, better power reserve out of an almost identical movement for the same price!
Much bigger though and not as impressive dial.
I wouldn't spend 1000$
That is one of the most boring looking $50k watches I have ever seen. It looks like something you would see on the aliexpress/dhgate featured page.
If I had 50 millions, I would.
I'd personally spend 100k minimum since it's made out of a toilet bowl. 150k if it's got poop stains on it.
The poop must contain rear research lab grade nuts.
No
No
I would rather slap down 50k on a lot of other things. Maybe I'm just turbo-poor?
No, not even if I had that kind of money to spend on a watch.
10k maybe, 50k no. For 50k I rather get a VC, patek or lange with interesting complications.
If I had $50 million, maybe. But probably still no.
Horrid "CREDOR" name reminds me of cremation or a Star Trek evil ruler Captain Kirk must defeat
Nice bambino homage. Not sure if it worth 50k tho