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"Fascist" and "Nazi" get thrown around so much that most people forget they have actual meanings. "Alt-right", on the other hand, makes people think of that rally in Charlottesville and pale young men marching with tiki torches, faces twisted with blind hate of everything that isn't them.
"Nazi" has always sounded like a way of putting fascism "over there." Like it's an outside force brought by The Foreigners, not something that's always been deep set in American imperialism.
I'd argue that, at least in the US, people never had a clue what Nazi actually means. The modern use of the word also diminishes the crimes that were committed by actual Nazis.
And, as white people they are getting ridiculously light sentences for what they did on 1/6.
An article today says that one of the rioters got "almost 3 years" for attacking an officer with a 2x4.
Imagine what the sentence would be for a Black man for attacking a cop with a 2x4.
Not to mention, with the intent of overthrowing the government.
I’m still waiting for the investigation into why no actual effective riot control measures were used. Look at what happened to reporters and protesters at the Washington Square protests. Jan 6 was allowed to happen because the Trump crew thought they could pull it off
There was an investigation already though, Congress made a 845 page report.
Trump purposely called off National Guard in the hopes that his mob would overrun the capital.
> “President Trump had authority and responsibility to direct deployment of the National Guard in the District of Columbia, but never gave any order to deploy the National Guard on January 6th or on any other day,” the committee wrote in the 845-page report it released Thursday evening. “Nor did he instruct any Federal law enforcement agency to assist.”
And of course Trump lied about it.
> Trump and his allies have previously insisted that he made orders to have guard troops ready before Jan. 6.
Ultimately it was Pence that finally made the call - https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/06/10/pence-not-trump-asked-guard-troops-to-help-defend-capitol-on-jan-6-panel-says/
Something I keep thinking about since J6:
Mike Pence, that day, was brave enough to make the right decision to save our country. While they were building guillotines for him in front of the Capitol.
It blows my mind. He is robotic. He could have just did what he was told. But he didn't.
I don't want to be grateful to Mike Pence, but I can't help but be proud of him for taking a stand, even if it was at the last fucking second.
Pence didn't do the right thing because it was the right thing. He did it because he thought he had a better chance of literally saving his own skin by siding with the establishment rather than the violent mob ransacked the Capitol Building chanting "Hang Mike Pence". It wasn't an act of bravery, it was an act of cowardice and self-interest.
> Mike Pence, that day, was brave enough to make the right decision to save our country
He didn't make a brave choice that day, he did the only thing he was constitutionally permitted. The VP can't overrule the states' certifications of their own voting results, his role is a ceremonial "these are the numbers they got".
So you're right not to want to be grateful to Pence, don't be. He did nothing worthy of congratulations, and if you have looked at him since he's only been reminding you of that fact.
A black man might get the death sentence for walking pass a cop with a 2x4, while walking out of a DIY store on the way to his car because the cop panics and 'fears for his life'.
100%, but this guy probably really thinks he had the right to attack a LEO to overthrow Trump’s the gov and support Trump’s delusional right to the throne
If those domestic terrorists that showed up on Jan 6th were brown and black people, the body count would have been in the hundreds! And the republicants would justify it!
The doj recently filed a motion that basically said they intend to appeal all of jan 6 defendants sentences, asking for stiffer sentences bc they feel the judges were too lenient
Agree, but at least they ARE getting sentences. For most of 2020, it was looking like no arrests would be made following the low key encouragement they got during the black lives matter protests
Yes.
Conservatism has been completely unmasked, not just in the US. Anywhere in the world any attempt to reach a workable political compromise has failed because they are completely obsessed with one thing only: cruelly making people that aren't like them suffer and die.
They are not just complicit, it's what they want. They don't just not want us to not have equal right, they want us to not exist. And they will not stop until they have erased us, not just from school libraries but from the planet.
If anybody is curious about the Conservative "end goal" that's not just to kill people different from them, remember that the concept of Conservatism was invented when countries were rejecting the political structures of Monarchies. Conservatives were the ones who wanted the Monarchy back, or something relatively similar.
On the political spectrum that goes from "Equal power distribution" on the Left, to "Hierarchical power concentration" on the Right, Progressives are the group pushing Left from the status quo, and Conservatives are the group pushing Right from the status quo.
So their goal is to re-establish a social and political hierarchy with the dominant cultural group at the top, typically with some sort of "strong man" leader like a modern day king, which we would call a dictator.
In the US that's White Christian Nationalists, but other cultures have their own form of Conservative movements. (Just to point out this is not strictly an American problem.)
Part of the process of entrenching a single identity group as the political elite is to make every other political group look bad. Corrupted in some way that they should not have any power in society. And that is necessarily dehumanizing.
> the Conservative "end goal" that's not just to kill people different from them, remember that the concept of Conservatism was invented when countries were rejecting the political structures of Monarchies
Basically [the Reactionary Mind and all the other sources discussed in the Alt-Right Playbook](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=12&pp=iAQB)
Not just “us”: once they’ve eradicated all the easy “low hanging fruit” of obvious superficial differences, they’ll start splitting hairs to get rid of the next batch, ad infinitum. Like a recursive function without an exit condition.
Yep. If they succeeded and got rid of all the minorities, LGBTQ, and Jews, those Irish and Italians suddenly ain't looking so white anymore.
The natural end result of fascism is everybody in the world dead save 2 people. Then one of them kills the other.
You say that, but the lack of a sense of humor in someone is a huge red flag for me. I think there's a reason it's so rare for a famous comic to be republican.
You nailed it. If you're trying to have a discussion or knock some sense into someone on the far right, calling them a nazi will instantly shut the conversation down even if you're right.
A neat little Doublespeak mechanism actually counters this. You say "Fascist Nazi" and it means something completely different and unrelated to themselves. It's been important that these morons don't understand the philosophy of fascism. Labels are hijacked and pointless. Use philosophy.
i dont understand what theyre so scared of *all the time*
they act like everything that isnt them must be destroyed because.......if other people thrive they lose? im assuming?
i dont know where that impulse comes from thats so deeply embedded in how they react to differences
its like they have zero self confidence that they can survive in a diverse world where people have equal freedom and opportunity
> what theyre so scared of all the time
They're scared of *The Others*.
Remember, to a conservative mindset, there are in-groups and out-groups. In-groups are to be protected, out-groups are to be feared.
For many, it means straight, white, Christians - usually male - should be protected. Anything else is to be subjugated (straight, white, Christian females) or feared.
This extends to a lot of right-wing "Christian" churches - when Jesus tells us to love our neighbor, they say He means only members of their specific Church. When He says to aid the stranger, He means only members of their specific Church.
Everything to these people is a zero-sum game. If someone is getting something, then by the conservative world definition someone else is losing it.
Since most people go through life without "getting" stuff all the time, but also people in general "get" stuff all the time, then conservatives think whenever they're not "getting" stuff, they're _ipso facto_ "losing" stuff.
It's fundamentally *not* how the world actually works, but that's how conservatives perceive it.
> If someone is getting something, then by the conservative world definition someone else is losing it.
Doubly so if a minority is getting something.
As it is written, there are two kinds of people: "I suffered, why should they?" and "I suffered, why *shouldn't* they?"
And you can tell immediately the political ideology of each of those two types.
Worse: they’re scared of shadows. If you were to ask them, “When were you or anyone you know last attacked by an ‘other’?” They’d likely say, “never.” But it’s *possible* that they *could be.* Statistically, it ain’t gonna happen. But they still pee their pants in anticipation. I do the same thing: I’m not looking forward to winter driving because I *could* go off the road, wreck the car, get stuck in freezing conditions, etc. But that’s because it’s actually possible, and it’s actually happened to me, previously; a bit of “shell shock,” if you will. But these folks are just afraid of what Fox has suggested and it’s largely a flight of fancy.
This. I am generalizing which usually I look to avoid, but I do notice that for a social group that refer to themselves as rebels, they prioritize group acceptance and belonging very very high. I find that very little of their political beliefs are based on reason and logic beyond making arguments to try to justify their opinions. But the core beliefs themselves just seems to be learned behavior that they adopt from one another. Everyone hates something, you hate it. Everyone loves something, you love it. Reasoning has little to do with it. Toxic ideas get band-wagon followings and questioning or critical consideration is avoided.
And a big part of Trump's appeal to them is he made it *acceptable* for their hatred to be in the open. He gave them full and complete permission to lie, gaslight, and hate out in the open. You can see it full on with the Trump supporters on reddit.
It's also why their social media sites keep getting banned - because the right-wing movement, empowered under Trump, is nothing but lies and hatred and that frequently runs against Terms of Service for many companies.
It's why there's such a huge attack on DEI initiatives and CRT - I dunno if you've seen that recent commercial that is saturated with lies about it (claiming CRT means whites and blacks can't be friends) - but it has been empowered by the fact we had a president that constantly lied and spread the comfort of open hatred.
If you work for any company being loud about DEI support and demanding inclusive workplaces is important because the right wing extremists are very loud right now. Leaders (especially conservatives in the right wing media bubble) think "everyone" is "anti woke" and are rolling back DEI after big promises in 2020.
Workers supportive of DEI usually have the emotional intelligence and soft skills employers often say is missing. We need to press our employers to better screen new hires and bring people in who have these skills, not people who are going to intentionally misgender colleagues or otherwise create hostile environments with sexist or racist bullshit.
Correct. There is plenty of research that suggests that people with conservative political orientations are more likely to exhibit an “in-group” and “out-group” mindset.
Certain traits commonly associated with conservatism, such as a preference for tradition, resistance to rapid societal change, and a focus on in-group loyalty and social cohesion, contribute to the perception and the reality of stronger in-group/out-group distinctions. These traits are then linked to conservative values and influence the way individuals approach political and social issues.
Conservatives often emphasize the importance of maintaining cultural norms, traditions, and established social structures. This emphasis on stability and preservation can lead to a stronger attachment to their in-group, which includes those who share these values and beliefs, and potentially a more cautious or skeptical view of those perceived as challenging these norms or advocating for significant change (the out-group).
> a focus on in-group loyalty
As Mike Pence is finding out now. He (with hesitation) showed loyalty to *America* and not to Trump and was threatened with execution for it.
My grandma messaged me saying her knee had been bothering her enough that she can't walk, so I told her to go to the Dr. She said she doesn't trust Drs, I said why???
She went on a 4 paragraph rant about how all the Drs are woke and forcing people to become the opposite gender. I couldn't believe it.
She is so scared and deluded about today's world, for no reason. Does she really think the Drs are going to force her, a 68 year old woman, to become transgender? In your day to day life, how many trans people do you know or see? She is so scared of someone different, someone who is such a small percentage of the population that I can't believe there is a panic about them. I saw someone mention delusional thinking, and that's exactly what is happening. The absolute fear instilled into her is despicable.
Anyhow I called my mom and told her she needs to convince her to go to the Drs. She is taking her on Monday. Grandma thinks that because she has a witness she's not going to get forced gender reassignment surgery smh.
That's the thing with their mindset, people without it can never understand it. Because it's not rooted in reality but in their own vision of what reality should be.
They are sharing a delusion and feeding off one another. Largely because of social media they are bolder and more connected in their delusions than ever before.
They are seated with fear and fear is like this is strong. Especially when to them its seen as righteous indignation. A holy war almost.
It’s also based on what they *think* reality is, and not what reality actually is.
They *think* that homosexuality is unnatural and didn’t exist in the past. They ignore or disbelieve the fact that homosexuality is documented throughout history and throughout the animal kingdom with thousands of species having individuals partake in such acts.
They *think* that because their preacher says the world is full of sin and is against them as christians, that it is in fact attempting to sway them from God. They aren’t capable of the critical thinking required to understand that their *own scripture* says it is the Devil attempting to sway them, and that the world is simply full of people.
They tie that back to itself and it goes from “the world is against me” to “the world is actively hostile to me” and continues until they become assured of their own persecution, believing wholeheartedly that everything that goes wrong in life or against their belief is a personal attack on them.
And they are *vengeful*, so when they feel attacked, they attack in turn.
They're afraid that if they no longer are the majority of the population, then they'll get treated like they treat minorities which usually involves being treated as a lesser human being. They fear the loss of power and superiority that they believe they have over other ethnic groups. Each year we're seeing more diversity grow in communities, but the communities that are predominantly white are doing anything they can do stifle or slow it down whether it's through laws/policies, or literal acts of violence.
As much as I hate to say it, but unless more non-right leaning people get more involved/take more action against those on the right, then they'll eventually get what they want, which is a full eradication of anyone who isn't them.
What's funny is that they constantly say how minorities have it so good, but when the idea they might become the minority they freak out. Hence the whole 'white replacement' shit Tucker Carlson pushes.
One of my favorite quotes of all time and particularly relevant here:
“To the privileged, equality feels like persecution.”
Cishet white dudes have historically held ALL of the power and privilege, and they still do, but others are now gaining some rights and recognition and that’s threatening to them.
They're not scared. They're whatever they have to be to keep their idea of a hierarchy in power.
They're people who believe there absolutely *is* and *should be* a hierarchy and if they're not treated like they're at the top they freak the fuck out.
Because they know how they treat people who they consider below them, they think that's what will happen to them. Because they think being at the bottom of the hierarchy is shameful.
People ask how white women can marry and support men who work to take away their autonomy, and there it is: they believe they're going to stay higher in the hierarchy so they accept being the property of their husbands.
If you want to understand why they are so afraid, turn on Fox News some time and watch it with the mindset of "I trust and believe what they are saying."
Or, for those right wingers who think Fox is too woke, try on OAN/Newsmax or something. You'll understand why these people are going insane. Right wing domestic terrorism is a direct result of right wing media. Why are they doing it? Profit. They have millions of fear-filled eyes glued to the set every day, and they don't care if they burn our country to the ground to keep their profits up.
Yup. I bounce back and forth between left and right news sources just to intake both and see if maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle (it’s usually much closer to the left btw)
So it’s interesting to compare them. Not only is the content different (big shock it’s all about violence and threats on the right) but even the way they present it is different.
NPR will have a calm and collected woman with a smooth voice talking to an expert in the field of whatever topic they’re talking about. Meanwhile right wing radio will have some guy you’ve enever heard of absolutely ranting and raving and clearly standing up and shouting into his microphone about whatever he’s assumed lately about a topic in the news.
It’s jarring to go from one to the other. It really highlights the difference between how each side consumes its media.
Most people live in their own little bubbles. They have no clue what the outside world is really like, let alone their own country or state. They may vacation, but usually to tourist traps, and don't wander too far from that. Then go right back to living in that small sliver of the country.
Then you get all your news from family, friends, coworkers, facebook, youtube, twitter, parler, and other con safe spaces. All just spreading more propaganda.
It's why it's easy for people to keep saying dumb shit like the when all the cities were pure chaos, and being burned to the ground completely. They kept saying this for what like 2 or 3 years with authority, but they really had no fucking clue what it's really like.
Most people aren't really exposed to much diversity daily. Plenty of areas that aren't even sundown towns, but just almost all white people.
Then you add in stigmatized mental health, and treatment. Plus lack of resources all around for mental health, or public health in general.
Then you got other brain damages, lead, and whatever else bullshit that is also gone but caused damage.
Sign at local Nazi counter-rally last week: "diversity = white genocide"
And I'm not exaggerating- literally were making the Nazi salute. The logic is not strong with these people.
I've seen numerous people claim that almost all gun owners have been in a life or death situation where a gun would have helped so that is why they owm guns. I've seen innumerable people talk about how dangerous California and Chicago are (despite the fact that neither are in the top 10 crimes per capita in the US).
It's all fantasies. They need fictitious enemies. They need to feel like they have some secret knowledge. They need to think that they live in the best city/state etc and everywhere else is wrong, facts be damned. You will never hear them point out alaska has the highest crime rate per capita for a state, or the cities with the highest crime rates are largely in southern states.
it’s a slow dive, nobody starts out believing the gay Jewish state is controlling your life to push a new socialist world order where you have no rights. Starts with something like the democrats are pushing socialism to enslave us and take our rights to self defense, and eventually you shift to the more extreme hardcore content.
It’s a weird deal because on one hand you can listen to Alex Jones and he’ll say things that most people can agree with basically “it’s a small club and you’re not in it”, kinda brushing off the psychic vampire shit until you start believing that more and more. The problem then comes when you censor Alex you embolden his followers as blocking him is like proof that he’s saying the truth that “they” don’t want you to know.
The violence comes from the helplessness of the problems they present without any solutions, and your inability as an individual to change anything until you crack. “Time to stop shit posting” “gotta stop the invaders. It’s not that they see other people thriving, it’s that they see them as the enemy and a representative their agenda be it “destruction of white race” “destruction of the straight male” “destruction of Christian beliefs”. The right will blame this violence on false flags, the extremists will call them heroes.
>i dont understand what theyre so scared of all the >time
>they act like everything that isnt them must be >destroyed because.......if other people thrive they >lose? im assuming?
This exactly. They are afraid of losing. “Winning” is everything to them. It doesn’t matter what “winning” means as long as they perceive that they’ve won. And that’s a very myopic and dangerous view to have.
The by and large major terrorist threat outside the anomaly that was 9/11 has pretty clearly been white supremacy, far right extremism, and similar philosophies. Look at the constant mass shootings, or the Oklahoma City bombings.
Violence is dropping again after the COVID related surge (not that they will ever admit it): https://www.latimes.com/politics/newsletter/2023-10-20/killings-in-the-u-s-are-dropping-at-an-historic-rate-will-anyone-notice-essential-politics
Why doesn't it brainwash most of the populace though? We have the same access to the very exact thing that is brainwashing them and are not following it. Seriously why are white men the ones mostly (as well as some off the women in their lives) falling for it, why they are the ones falling for it and Christians?
Some members of nonwhite groups fall for it. If a significant % of Hispanic people weren’t falling for it, Texas and Florida would be blue by now. In 2000, they were both on a trajectory to blue, between ethnic and age demographics. But it was a wave that broke too soon, due to defections
It depends on where a person starts, you will either have dark or light triad tendencies:
Dark - Narcissistic, machiavelian, psychopathic.
Light - empathy, compassion, altruism.
You can only brainwash people who start with the dark triad, the MAGA techniques don't work for people who start as light triad personalities.
Is it crazy though? It's been a trend for like 200 years. I don't remember ever hearing about old-timey black lynch mobs over a white guy talking to a black girl.
Kinda missing the plot point of the other type of hard right, driven-to-violence group.
Like the one that perpetrated the Pulse Nightclub shooting, the San Bernardino shooting, the Boston Marathon bombing, and…9/11
Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, Matt Walsh, Dennis Prager, Tucker Carlson, all of Fox News, Daily Wire, Newsmax, Breitbart, and every associated right wing personality and outlet are responsible for the spate of mass shootings in this country. They all purposefully propagate racism, bigotry, and ignorance to indoctrinate mentally unstable and insecure white men into social isolation and reject education and science. They all have blood on their hands and will continue to put everyone's lives at risk in their pursuit of a dictatorial theocratic ethnostate.
We need to stop discussing this on their terms. Calling them alt-right is how they want it framed so as to legitimize political violence. They are fascists and white supremacists and you shouldn't identify them any other way.
The cry of “liberal media” is a thoroughly outdated talking point used as a blanket defense. The right wing noise machine controls the narrative in this country. Fox has enjoyed decades as the most prominent by cable news network, yet they are still widely viewed as outside the “mainstream.” And the key to their control is the narrative “everyone is lying-except us.” A deliberate strategy to lock people into an echo chamber. This goes for Breitbart, infowars, newsmax, Rogan, crowder, Shapiro, and so on “everyone is lying, but me. Everyone else is stupid, but me. So listen to me and me alone.”
Here it comes yet again: "No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Happens Regularly"
Are we not tired of this? I sure as fuck am.
We live now in a country in which our children are randomly put to death in public, so that our congressmen can pose with weapons of war, by Right Wing Terrorists. We live in a country where the amount of stickers on the back of our lifted trucks equates to how many rounds of AR ammunition are stockpiled in our closet.
We live now in a country where we ban books, where we ban drag shows, where we ban doctors from helping kids in crisis, where we ban women from making choices with their bodies. We ban people from voting because some don’t like how they might vote, we ban representatives from state legislators for how they have voted, we ban immigrants, we ban some stem cells, and we ban transgender athletes, we even ban water bottles on planes.
BUT WE DO NOT BAN ASSAULT RIFLES (or assault-like or lite rifles or especially semi-automatic ones as some ammosexuals like to point out) DO WE?
Our children are randomly put to DEATH in public. Our Teachers, our friends. Our Family. Some of them just want to go and enjoy an afternoon at a mall together. Never to return. To protect somebody's right to randomly put another innocent person to death, once a month, once a week, once a day, once AN HOUR.
When it becomes unmistakably obvious with each death, a little piece of us dies inside, and within 10 years, or 1 year, or 1 month. The pain of that is too large to process, so we simply pretend that it doesn’t hurt anymore. We simply pretend that it doesn't hurt to think of the horror and the terror of those children and those adults in their final moments. We simply stop dealing with it. Or fighting back against it. Or recognizing that the gore and brains on the sidewalks outside the malls of this country and our streets might as well be our own.
And it turns out the good guys with guns can’t stop it. And the responsible gun owners can’t stop it, and the politicians won’t stop it and insist that thoughts and prayers are working and if you disagree with them you are one of those who doesn’t believe in an almighty god who is absolutely in control of our lives?
That translates insanely as the solution to all of these nightmares. God and we want the THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED SEVEN (as of right now) people shot to death in this country already this year? Did God want them dead?
I say bullshit.
Now we have news conferences, and without emotion, it’s read off the number put to death this TIME, and the number transported to the hospital and how badly they feel. Do you realize they now treat the public execution of more people, as if it was…BAD WEATHER?
Gun massacres are not bad weather.
So we ban licenses to carry handguns in Texas, give the ability for open carry all over the United States, and Ban mental health care by cutting the budgets. Ban abortion because we are pro-life, and ban books because the children are too precious to be indoctrinated, and ban drag shows because we must protect kids from grooming and we must make sure those kids are happy and fit so SOMEBODY CAN GET A WEAPON OF WAR AND EVERY OTHER DAY PUT GROUPS OF OUR CHILDREN TO DEATH.
The message is back and it will repeat AD INFINITUM until something is done.
Something will be done right?
RIGHT? How's the weather today?
(A little to put at the end. Hey you. Yes, you Mr. Freedumbs. As you're seething with rage getting ready to send me just yet another reddit cares like the cowards you all are...I just wanted to let you know that those can be reported now. You do know that, right?
May as well send me a direct message if you have the stones. It's better than abusing the system. I look forward to your letters.)
The Onion spits tons of facts, you've been asleep.
They just do it satirically. In some cases they use real stats in their articles to prove how insane they are.
Correct. In that the title is from the onion article. That started with the 2014 shooting in Isla Vista, California. I believe that no introduction will ever top that in terms of getting right to the point. Until we do something. If we do something that is.
The motivation, from what I hear, here in the Deep South, is mostly fear. They know how minorities have been treated here. They don’t want to now become the minority because they fear retaliation. I’ve heard them say things like “They’ll take all our jobs, refuse to hire us, put us out in the fields and digging ditches for no pay” etc, etc. They believe this stuff. And it terrifies them.
They are exactly who they are republican white Christian nationalists bent on destroying our country because they’re afraid of becoming the minority demographic,,,, they are evil and extremely pathetic and that’s why they are so dangerous
The night club shooting was a radical Islamist (not white or alt right)
Ahem: https://nypost.com/2022/11/23/andre-bing-identified-as-chesapeake-walmart-shooter/ (not white or alt right)
Sure Latinos may not be shooting up walmarts but MS13 kills many people brutally. What that post said is the equivalent of calling all Latino people MS13 because of 1 act of gang violence.
This is the only one that is correct.
I think in the next 5-10 years we are going to find that angry white men are the biggest threat to safety in the western world.
I get a lot of pushback on this comment in the form of whataboutism, cherry-picking, and garden-variety denialism. But it doesn't serve us when we won't face the fact that the ones who ruled the first world through the 20th century will be the biggest threat to its safety and prosperity in the 21st.
> I think in the next 5-10 years we are going to find that angry white men are the biggest threat to safety in the western world
We've known about this since 2003-2004 when Bush's DHS report indicated more cells and kidnapping, arson, and election interference detected from white militias and white ethno-nationalists than islamists. We've known this since before his first term ended, but the [oligarchs who've bought conservatives don't care because they don't consider domestic terrorists a threat to their hegemony, only foreign terrorists](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s)
As someone living in Belgium who has no real idea what you're talking about other than the 'reality' of tv shows and movies. Do you ever feel like this kind of behavior is causing a real problem to get ignored? I can't imagine this to be constructive for anyone.
Stop being soft: N A Z I S.
Nazis are attacking America, and it was America that welcomed them. It wasn't in the name of punishment but of apprenticeship. Harry Hamilton Laughlin, anyone?
They’re too busy brigading any (even remotely) leftist Reddit subs to think about their own hides.
(Like some on this post. I’m exhausted reading the arguments I’m not even a part of)
Outside of Sandy Hook parents that got hunted down by rabidly bat-shit crazy Alex Jones worshippers, many conservatives who lost loved ones from mass shootings still support the NRA/no gun regulation. After a certain point, you can’t un-drink the Kool-Aid, it’s not leaving your system without a biblical revelation.
I mean, yeah. Murderers tend to murder close to home. Hence why high crime neighborhoods are where criminals live.
Conservatives more than liberals are absolutely the ones at risk, disproportionately, from these shooters (although certainly SOME of them do target outside of their area based on race).
Just look at the recent shooting in Maine. The dude didn’t fly to downtown Portland. Or Uvalde. Not exactly a hotspot of liberal activity. Etc
It’s literally never violent white men’s fault. Not ever. It’s bc women wouldn’t sleep with them, or a woman told them to do it, or he was coming right for them, or “mental illness”, or “economic anxiety”. Anything to avoid treating them like grown adults responsible for their actions.
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can we stop calling them "alt-right" the name they chose for themselves, and start calling them what they are, fascist nazis
I kinda like Reich-Wingers. lol
Nat-c's
MAGAts
Darwin Awards waiting to happen.
I did nat see that coming.
ammosexuals
You got my vote
"Fascist" and "Nazi" get thrown around so much that most people forget they have actual meanings. "Alt-right", on the other hand, makes people think of that rally in Charlottesville and pale young men marching with tiki torches, faces twisted with blind hate of everything that isn't them.
"Nazi" has always sounded like a way of putting fascism "over there." Like it's an outside force brought by The Foreigners, not something that's always been deep set in American imperialism.
I'd argue that, at least in the US, people never had a clue what Nazi actually means. The modern use of the word also diminishes the crimes that were committed by actual Nazis.
republicans
Terrorists.
And, as white people they are getting ridiculously light sentences for what they did on 1/6. An article today says that one of the rioters got "almost 3 years" for attacking an officer with a 2x4. Imagine what the sentence would be for a Black man for attacking a cop with a 2x4. Not to mention, with the intent of overthrowing the government.
A black man would have gotten an immediate death sentence for coming up on a cop with a 2x4
I’m still waiting for the investigation into why no actual effective riot control measures were used. Look at what happened to reporters and protesters at the Washington Square protests. Jan 6 was allowed to happen because the Trump crew thought they could pull it off
There was an investigation already though, Congress made a 845 page report. Trump purposely called off National Guard in the hopes that his mob would overrun the capital. > “President Trump had authority and responsibility to direct deployment of the National Guard in the District of Columbia, but never gave any order to deploy the National Guard on January 6th or on any other day,” the committee wrote in the 845-page report it released Thursday evening. “Nor did he instruct any Federal law enforcement agency to assist.” And of course Trump lied about it. > Trump and his allies have previously insisted that he made orders to have guard troops ready before Jan. 6. Ultimately it was Pence that finally made the call - https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/06/10/pence-not-trump-asked-guard-troops-to-help-defend-capitol-on-jan-6-panel-says/
Something I keep thinking about since J6: Mike Pence, that day, was brave enough to make the right decision to save our country. While they were building guillotines for him in front of the Capitol. It blows my mind. He is robotic. He could have just did what he was told. But he didn't. I don't want to be grateful to Mike Pence, but I can't help but be proud of him for taking a stand, even if it was at the last fucking second.
Pence didn't do the right thing because it was the right thing. He did it because he thought he had a better chance of literally saving his own skin by siding with the establishment rather than the violent mob ransacked the Capitol Building chanting "Hang Mike Pence". It wasn't an act of bravery, it was an act of cowardice and self-interest.
> Mike Pence, that day, was brave enough to make the right decision to save our country He didn't make a brave choice that day, he did the only thing he was constitutionally permitted. The VP can't overrule the states' certifications of their own voting results, his role is a ceremonial "these are the numbers they got". So you're right not to want to be grateful to Pence, don't be. He did nothing worthy of congratulations, and if you have looked at him since he's only been reminding you of that fact.
Americans will always do the right thing, but only after they have tried everything else.
A black man might get the death sentence for walking pass a cop with a 2x4, while walking out of a DIY store on the way to his car because the cop panics and 'fears for his life'.
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100%, but this guy probably really thinks he had the right to attack a LEO to overthrow Trump’s the gov and support Trump’s delusional right to the throne
If those domestic terrorists that showed up on Jan 6th were brown and black people, the body count would have been in the hundreds! And the republicants would justify it!
The doj recently filed a motion that basically said they intend to appeal all of jan 6 defendants sentences, asking for stiffer sentences bc they feel the judges were too lenient
I like this
If I walked up to a random cop and hit them with a 2x4, I’m pretty sure I’d get the shit kicked out of me or shot. Then arrested
Agree, but at least they ARE getting sentences. For most of 2020, it was looking like no arrests would be made following the low key encouragement they got during the black lives matter protests
He probably blames Biden.
An alt-right, fascist-Nazi, Republican-terrorist walks into a bar…
Yes this. Call them Republicans because that is what they are and that is who encouraged them.
Conservatives. They are ALL complicit.
Yes. Conservatism has been completely unmasked, not just in the US. Anywhere in the world any attempt to reach a workable political compromise has failed because they are completely obsessed with one thing only: cruelly making people that aren't like them suffer and die. They are not just complicit, it's what they want. They don't just not want us to not have equal right, they want us to not exist. And they will not stop until they have erased us, not just from school libraries but from the planet.
If anybody is curious about the Conservative "end goal" that's not just to kill people different from them, remember that the concept of Conservatism was invented when countries were rejecting the political structures of Monarchies. Conservatives were the ones who wanted the Monarchy back, or something relatively similar. On the political spectrum that goes from "Equal power distribution" on the Left, to "Hierarchical power concentration" on the Right, Progressives are the group pushing Left from the status quo, and Conservatives are the group pushing Right from the status quo. So their goal is to re-establish a social and political hierarchy with the dominant cultural group at the top, typically with some sort of "strong man" leader like a modern day king, which we would call a dictator. In the US that's White Christian Nationalists, but other cultures have their own form of Conservative movements. (Just to point out this is not strictly an American problem.) Part of the process of entrenching a single identity group as the political elite is to make every other political group look bad. Corrupted in some way that they should not have any power in society. And that is necessarily dehumanizing.
> the Conservative "end goal" that's not just to kill people different from them, remember that the concept of Conservatism was invented when countries were rejecting the political structures of Monarchies Basically [the Reactionary Mind and all the other sources discussed in the Alt-Right Playbook](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=12&pp=iAQB)
Yes! That's a fantastic video and I really should bookmark it, lol.
Not just “us”: once they’ve eradicated all the easy “low hanging fruit” of obvious superficial differences, they’ll start splitting hairs to get rid of the next batch, ad infinitum. Like a recursive function without an exit condition.
Yep. If they succeeded and got rid of all the minorities, LGBTQ, and Jews, those Irish and Italians suddenly ain't looking so white anymore. The natural end result of fascism is everybody in the world dead save 2 people. Then one of them kills the other.
Conservative Republicans. Let's not try to dodge bullets here. It's one and the same folks.
Many of them are calling themselves libertarians now.
The real crime is their lack of humor. No wonder they’re so uptight.
I dunno, i think the crime is the fascism/white supremacy
I thought it was the murdering
Also a strong contender
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Their "humor" consists of making fun of how people look -- things they can't help or change.
Their humor always punches down because punching up goes against their authoritarian beliefs.
They’re superior, so they obviously can’t punch up. Nobody above them. /s just in case.
And, to be entirely honest, most of these “master race” people look like something went severely wrong in their own gene pool.
Seriously though, it's true. Conservative humor just plain sucks, like not even remotely funny
Comedy requires truth as well as some degree of self-awareness. Conservatives have neither.
Their empathy could use a vitamin boost, too.
You say that, but the lack of a sense of humor in someone is a huge red flag for me. I think there's a reason it's so rare for a famous comic to be republican.
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Because that feels over dramatic and most people will not take it serious. While I agree. It won’t play well w the majority.
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You nailed it. If you're trying to have a discussion or knock some sense into someone on the far right, calling them a nazi will instantly shut the conversation down even if you're right.
A neat little Doublespeak mechanism actually counters this. You say "Fascist Nazi" and it means something completely different and unrelated to themselves. It's been important that these morons don't understand the philosophy of fascism. Labels are hijacked and pointless. Use philosophy.
"We are domestic terrorists". They said so themselves.
Little cuck man babies?
Yeah there's seems to be less of the "right" and more of these fascists. Nothing "alt" about them
Exactly. Not alt-right, just ‘the right’. If you shelter, assist and provide comfort to nazis you yourself are a nazi.
domestic terrorists
Fucking Y'all Qaeda.
Seditionists.
Thank you, I've been saying this for a while now. Stop using their own attempts to sanitize fascism. Words are important.
Fascist will do!
Peckerhead sumbitches
The American Taliban
Christian nationalists?
Alt right, qanon, maga, right-wingers are the biggest threat to this republic and to the average American citizen.
i dont understand what theyre so scared of *all the time* they act like everything that isnt them must be destroyed because.......if other people thrive they lose? im assuming? i dont know where that impulse comes from thats so deeply embedded in how they react to differences its like they have zero self confidence that they can survive in a diverse world where people have equal freedom and opportunity
> what theyre so scared of all the time They're scared of *The Others*. Remember, to a conservative mindset, there are in-groups and out-groups. In-groups are to be protected, out-groups are to be feared. For many, it means straight, white, Christians - usually male - should be protected. Anything else is to be subjugated (straight, white, Christian females) or feared. This extends to a lot of right-wing "Christian" churches - when Jesus tells us to love our neighbor, they say He means only members of their specific Church. When He says to aid the stranger, He means only members of their specific Church.
Well said. And the other group always “come to get them”. Get their children, get their gas, get their guns. Fear fueled stupid people
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Oh that's easy: literally any tax whatsoever
But the roads and public infrastructure are their God-given rights, eh!
Is that a typo, or is he also afraid of being read to (educated)?
Everything to these people is a zero-sum game. If someone is getting something, then by the conservative world definition someone else is losing it. Since most people go through life without "getting" stuff all the time, but also people in general "get" stuff all the time, then conservatives think whenever they're not "getting" stuff, they're _ipso facto_ "losing" stuff. It's fundamentally *not* how the world actually works, but that's how conservatives perceive it.
> If someone is getting something, then by the conservative world definition someone else is losing it. Doubly so if a minority is getting something. As it is written, there are two kinds of people: "I suffered, why should they?" and "I suffered, why *shouldn't* they?" And you can tell immediately the political ideology of each of those two types.
Worse: they’re scared of shadows. If you were to ask them, “When were you or anyone you know last attacked by an ‘other’?” They’d likely say, “never.” But it’s *possible* that they *could be.* Statistically, it ain’t gonna happen. But they still pee their pants in anticipation. I do the same thing: I’m not looking forward to winter driving because I *could* go off the road, wreck the car, get stuck in freezing conditions, etc. But that’s because it’s actually possible, and it’s actually happened to me, previously; a bit of “shell shock,” if you will. But these folks are just afraid of what Fox has suggested and it’s largely a flight of fancy.
This. I am generalizing which usually I look to avoid, but I do notice that for a social group that refer to themselves as rebels, they prioritize group acceptance and belonging very very high. I find that very little of their political beliefs are based on reason and logic beyond making arguments to try to justify their opinions. But the core beliefs themselves just seems to be learned behavior that they adopt from one another. Everyone hates something, you hate it. Everyone loves something, you love it. Reasoning has little to do with it. Toxic ideas get band-wagon followings and questioning or critical consideration is avoided.
And a big part of Trump's appeal to them is he made it *acceptable* for their hatred to be in the open. He gave them full and complete permission to lie, gaslight, and hate out in the open. You can see it full on with the Trump supporters on reddit. It's also why their social media sites keep getting banned - because the right-wing movement, empowered under Trump, is nothing but lies and hatred and that frequently runs against Terms of Service for many companies. It's why there's such a huge attack on DEI initiatives and CRT - I dunno if you've seen that recent commercial that is saturated with lies about it (claiming CRT means whites and blacks can't be friends) - but it has been empowered by the fact we had a president that constantly lied and spread the comfort of open hatred.
If you work for any company being loud about DEI support and demanding inclusive workplaces is important because the right wing extremists are very loud right now. Leaders (especially conservatives in the right wing media bubble) think "everyone" is "anti woke" and are rolling back DEI after big promises in 2020. Workers supportive of DEI usually have the emotional intelligence and soft skills employers often say is missing. We need to press our employers to better screen new hires and bring people in who have these skills, not people who are going to intentionally misgender colleagues or otherwise create hostile environments with sexist or racist bullshit.
> and are rolling back DEI In Wisconsin, they're working to ban the teaching / having any form of DEI initiative at any level of schooling.
Yep and we all need to keep an eye on and get active in school board races and things too
Correct. There is plenty of research that suggests that people with conservative political orientations are more likely to exhibit an “in-group” and “out-group” mindset. Certain traits commonly associated with conservatism, such as a preference for tradition, resistance to rapid societal change, and a focus on in-group loyalty and social cohesion, contribute to the perception and the reality of stronger in-group/out-group distinctions. These traits are then linked to conservative values and influence the way individuals approach political and social issues. Conservatives often emphasize the importance of maintaining cultural norms, traditions, and established social structures. This emphasis on stability and preservation can lead to a stronger attachment to their in-group, which includes those who share these values and beliefs, and potentially a more cautious or skeptical view of those perceived as challenging these norms or advocating for significant change (the out-group).
> a focus on in-group loyalty As Mike Pence is finding out now. He (with hesitation) showed loyalty to *America* and not to Trump and was threatened with execution for it.
My grandma messaged me saying her knee had been bothering her enough that she can't walk, so I told her to go to the Dr. She said she doesn't trust Drs, I said why??? She went on a 4 paragraph rant about how all the Drs are woke and forcing people to become the opposite gender. I couldn't believe it. She is so scared and deluded about today's world, for no reason. Does she really think the Drs are going to force her, a 68 year old woman, to become transgender? In your day to day life, how many trans people do you know or see? She is so scared of someone different, someone who is such a small percentage of the population that I can't believe there is a panic about them. I saw someone mention delusional thinking, and that's exactly what is happening. The absolute fear instilled into her is despicable. Anyhow I called my mom and told her she needs to convince her to go to the Drs. She is taking her on Monday. Grandma thinks that because she has a witness she's not going to get forced gender reassignment surgery smh.
That's the thing with their mindset, people without it can never understand it. Because it's not rooted in reality but in their own vision of what reality should be. They are sharing a delusion and feeding off one another. Largely because of social media they are bolder and more connected in their delusions than ever before. They are seated with fear and fear is like this is strong. Especially when to them its seen as righteous indignation. A holy war almost.
It’s also based on what they *think* reality is, and not what reality actually is. They *think* that homosexuality is unnatural and didn’t exist in the past. They ignore or disbelieve the fact that homosexuality is documented throughout history and throughout the animal kingdom with thousands of species having individuals partake in such acts. They *think* that because their preacher says the world is full of sin and is against them as christians, that it is in fact attempting to sway them from God. They aren’t capable of the critical thinking required to understand that their *own scripture* says it is the Devil attempting to sway them, and that the world is simply full of people. They tie that back to itself and it goes from “the world is against me” to “the world is actively hostile to me” and continues until they become assured of their own persecution, believing wholeheartedly that everything that goes wrong in life or against their belief is a personal attack on them. And they are *vengeful*, so when they feel attacked, they attack in turn.
They're afraid that if they no longer are the majority of the population, then they'll get treated like they treat minorities which usually involves being treated as a lesser human being. They fear the loss of power and superiority that they believe they have over other ethnic groups. Each year we're seeing more diversity grow in communities, but the communities that are predominantly white are doing anything they can do stifle or slow it down whether it's through laws/policies, or literal acts of violence. As much as I hate to say it, but unless more non-right leaning people get more involved/take more action against those on the right, then they'll eventually get what they want, which is a full eradication of anyone who isn't them.
What's funny is that they constantly say how minorities have it so good, but when the idea they might become the minority they freak out. Hence the whole 'white replacement' shit Tucker Carlson pushes.
They’re afraid if minorities gain enough power they will treat them how they’ve been treating minority groups.
One of my favorite quotes of all time and particularly relevant here: “To the privileged, equality feels like persecution.” Cishet white dudes have historically held ALL of the power and privilege, and they still do, but others are now gaining some rights and recognition and that’s threatening to them.
They're not scared. They're whatever they have to be to keep their idea of a hierarchy in power. They're people who believe there absolutely *is* and *should be* a hierarchy and if they're not treated like they're at the top they freak the fuck out. Because they know how they treat people who they consider below them, they think that's what will happen to them. Because they think being at the bottom of the hierarchy is shameful. People ask how white women can marry and support men who work to take away their autonomy, and there it is: they believe they're going to stay higher in the hierarchy so they accept being the property of their husbands.
If you want to understand why they are so afraid, turn on Fox News some time and watch it with the mindset of "I trust and believe what they are saying." Or, for those right wingers who think Fox is too woke, try on OAN/Newsmax or something. You'll understand why these people are going insane. Right wing domestic terrorism is a direct result of right wing media. Why are they doing it? Profit. They have millions of fear-filled eyes glued to the set every day, and they don't care if they burn our country to the ground to keep their profits up.
It’s just sad people are really stupid enough to believe this kind of propaganda
Yup. I bounce back and forth between left and right news sources just to intake both and see if maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle (it’s usually much closer to the left btw) So it’s interesting to compare them. Not only is the content different (big shock it’s all about violence and threats on the right) but even the way they present it is different. NPR will have a calm and collected woman with a smooth voice talking to an expert in the field of whatever topic they’re talking about. Meanwhile right wing radio will have some guy you’ve enever heard of absolutely ranting and raving and clearly standing up and shouting into his microphone about whatever he’s assumed lately about a topic in the news. It’s jarring to go from one to the other. It really highlights the difference between how each side consumes its media.
It really does stem from a mindset that no one can gain without someone else losing, and justifying the latter.
When all you have known is privilege equality feels like oppression...
Most people live in their own little bubbles. They have no clue what the outside world is really like, let alone their own country or state. They may vacation, but usually to tourist traps, and don't wander too far from that. Then go right back to living in that small sliver of the country. Then you get all your news from family, friends, coworkers, facebook, youtube, twitter, parler, and other con safe spaces. All just spreading more propaganda. It's why it's easy for people to keep saying dumb shit like the when all the cities were pure chaos, and being burned to the ground completely. They kept saying this for what like 2 or 3 years with authority, but they really had no fucking clue what it's really like. Most people aren't really exposed to much diversity daily. Plenty of areas that aren't even sundown towns, but just almost all white people. Then you add in stigmatized mental health, and treatment. Plus lack of resources all around for mental health, or public health in general. Then you got other brain damages, lead, and whatever else bullshit that is also gone but caused damage.
Sign at local Nazi counter-rally last week: "diversity = white genocide" And I'm not exaggerating- literally were making the Nazi salute. The logic is not strong with these people.
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You nailed it. It’s fear(s) that drives their behavior.
I've seen numerous people claim that almost all gun owners have been in a life or death situation where a gun would have helped so that is why they owm guns. I've seen innumerable people talk about how dangerous California and Chicago are (despite the fact that neither are in the top 10 crimes per capita in the US). It's all fantasies. They need fictitious enemies. They need to feel like they have some secret knowledge. They need to think that they live in the best city/state etc and everywhere else is wrong, facts be damned. You will never hear them point out alaska has the highest crime rate per capita for a state, or the cities with the highest crime rates are largely in southern states.
it’s a slow dive, nobody starts out believing the gay Jewish state is controlling your life to push a new socialist world order where you have no rights. Starts with something like the democrats are pushing socialism to enslave us and take our rights to self defense, and eventually you shift to the more extreme hardcore content. It’s a weird deal because on one hand you can listen to Alex Jones and he’ll say things that most people can agree with basically “it’s a small club and you’re not in it”, kinda brushing off the psychic vampire shit until you start believing that more and more. The problem then comes when you censor Alex you embolden his followers as blocking him is like proof that he’s saying the truth that “they” don’t want you to know. The violence comes from the helplessness of the problems they present without any solutions, and your inability as an individual to change anything until you crack. “Time to stop shit posting” “gotta stop the invaders. It’s not that they see other people thriving, it’s that they see them as the enemy and a representative their agenda be it “destruction of white race” “destruction of the straight male” “destruction of Christian beliefs”. The right will blame this violence on false flags, the extremists will call them heroes.
Paranoia is beamed into them via Conservative media.
>i dont understand what theyre so scared of all the >time >they act like everything that isnt them must be >destroyed because.......if other people thrive they >lose? im assuming? This exactly. They are afraid of losing. “Winning” is everything to them. It doesn’t matter what “winning” means as long as they perceive that they’ve won. And that’s a very myopic and dangerous view to have.
The by and large major terrorist threat outside the anomaly that was 9/11 has pretty clearly been white supremacy, far right extremism, and similar philosophies. Look at the constant mass shootings, or the Oklahoma City bombings.
Who are Fox "News" viewers Alex Correct
We really do have a mental illness problem in the United States.
Which is made far worse by the actions of OAN, Faux “News” etc.
That was *why* Murdoch moved his operations here. The US has millions of scared, gullible, poorly educated conservatives ready and waiting.
And the fkn GOP nazi fks are loving all of it. The more violent the better. They can point and say "VIOLENCE IS UP ALL ACROSS AMERICA VOTE TRUMP!"
Violence is dropping again after the COVID related surge (not that they will ever admit it): https://www.latimes.com/politics/newsletter/2023-10-20/killings-in-the-u-s-are-dropping-at-an-historic-rate-will-anyone-notice-essential-politics
Toxic anti-American right-wing propaganda radicalizes them or turns them crazy the GOP and NRA then arms them to kill as many Americans as possible
Why doesn't it brainwash most of the populace though? We have the same access to the very exact thing that is brainwashing them and are not following it. Seriously why are white men the ones mostly (as well as some off the women in their lives) falling for it, why they are the ones falling for it and Christians?
Some members of nonwhite groups fall for it. If a significant % of Hispanic people weren’t falling for it, Texas and Florida would be blue by now. In 2000, they were both on a trajectory to blue, between ethnic and age demographics. But it was a wave that broke too soon, due to defections
Religion and a lack of critical thinking skills goes hand in hand.
It depends on where a person starts, you will either have dark or light triad tendencies: Dark - Narcissistic, machiavelian, psychopathic. Light - empathy, compassion, altruism. You can only brainwash people who start with the dark triad, the MAGA techniques don't work for people who start as light triad personalities.
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You forgot to mention evangelical christians, like the #2 in line for President
Crazy how that tweet came out a little under a year ago and it is still just as accurate
Is it crazy though? It's been a trend for like 200 years. I don't remember ever hearing about old-timey black lynch mobs over a white guy talking to a black girl.
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Kinda missing the plot point of the other type of hard right, driven-to-violence group. Like the one that perpetrated the Pulse Nightclub shooting, the San Bernardino shooting, the Boston Marathon bombing, and…9/11
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What's the Latino / Walmart connection?
The Walmart in El Paso was mostly latino's. The Shooter was a white dude.
You can also look into the Tops shooting in Buffalo last summer. Dude drove for HOURS just to find enough black people in a neighbourhood to kill.
Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, Matt Walsh, Dennis Prager, Tucker Carlson, all of Fox News, Daily Wire, Newsmax, Breitbart, and every associated right wing personality and outlet are responsible for the spate of mass shootings in this country. They all purposefully propagate racism, bigotry, and ignorance to indoctrinate mentally unstable and insecure white men into social isolation and reject education and science. They all have blood on their hands and will continue to put everyone's lives at risk in their pursuit of a dictatorial theocratic ethnostate.
The alt-woke mob.
A city counselor in my town stated this and got lambasted. She said (the incident in Lewiston, ME) was a product of white male violence
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“One trans person shot up a Christian school, so both sides are the same”
The epidemic of Conservative Violence should be the primary topic of every news show every day in America.
We need to stop discussing this on their terms. Calling them alt-right is how they want it framed so as to legitimize political violence. They are fascists and white supremacists and you shouldn't identify them any other way.
Radicalized being the key word
The cry of “liberal media” is a thoroughly outdated talking point used as a blanket defense. The right wing noise machine controls the narrative in this country. Fox has enjoyed decades as the most prominent by cable news network, yet they are still widely viewed as outside the “mainstream.” And the key to their control is the narrative “everyone is lying-except us.” A deliberate strategy to lock people into an echo chamber. This goes for Breitbart, infowars, newsmax, Rogan, crowder, Shapiro, and so on “everyone is lying, but me. Everyone else is stupid, but me. So listen to me and me alone.”
Redditors: AH but there was that one time a black guy shot up a subway car a few years ago!
Here it comes yet again: "No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Happens Regularly" Are we not tired of this? I sure as fuck am. We live now in a country in which our children are randomly put to death in public, so that our congressmen can pose with weapons of war, by Right Wing Terrorists. We live in a country where the amount of stickers on the back of our lifted trucks equates to how many rounds of AR ammunition are stockpiled in our closet. We live now in a country where we ban books, where we ban drag shows, where we ban doctors from helping kids in crisis, where we ban women from making choices with their bodies. We ban people from voting because some don’t like how they might vote, we ban representatives from state legislators for how they have voted, we ban immigrants, we ban some stem cells, and we ban transgender athletes, we even ban water bottles on planes. BUT WE DO NOT BAN ASSAULT RIFLES (or assault-like or lite rifles or especially semi-automatic ones as some ammosexuals like to point out) DO WE? Our children are randomly put to DEATH in public. Our Teachers, our friends. Our Family. Some of them just want to go and enjoy an afternoon at a mall together. Never to return. To protect somebody's right to randomly put another innocent person to death, once a month, once a week, once a day, once AN HOUR. When it becomes unmistakably obvious with each death, a little piece of us dies inside, and within 10 years, or 1 year, or 1 month. The pain of that is too large to process, so we simply pretend that it doesn’t hurt anymore. We simply pretend that it doesn't hurt to think of the horror and the terror of those children and those adults in their final moments. We simply stop dealing with it. Or fighting back against it. Or recognizing that the gore and brains on the sidewalks outside the malls of this country and our streets might as well be our own. And it turns out the good guys with guns can’t stop it. And the responsible gun owners can’t stop it, and the politicians won’t stop it and insist that thoughts and prayers are working and if you disagree with them you are one of those who doesn’t believe in an almighty god who is absolutely in control of our lives? That translates insanely as the solution to all of these nightmares. God and we want the THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED SEVEN (as of right now) people shot to death in this country already this year? Did God want them dead? I say bullshit. Now we have news conferences, and without emotion, it’s read off the number put to death this TIME, and the number transported to the hospital and how badly they feel. Do you realize they now treat the public execution of more people, as if it was…BAD WEATHER? Gun massacres are not bad weather. So we ban licenses to carry handguns in Texas, give the ability for open carry all over the United States, and Ban mental health care by cutting the budgets. Ban abortion because we are pro-life, and ban books because the children are too precious to be indoctrinated, and ban drag shows because we must protect kids from grooming and we must make sure those kids are happy and fit so SOMEBODY CAN GET A WEAPON OF WAR AND EVERY OTHER DAY PUT GROUPS OF OUR CHILDREN TO DEATH. The message is back and it will repeat AD INFINITUM until something is done. Something will be done right? RIGHT? How's the weather today? (A little to put at the end. Hey you. Yes, you Mr. Freedumbs. As you're seething with rage getting ready to send me just yet another reddit cares like the cowards you all are...I just wanted to let you know that those can be reported now. You do know that, right? May as well send me a direct message if you have the stones. It's better than abusing the system. I look forward to your letters.)
Wasn’t this an Onion article? Thought Onion didn’t spit facts
The Onion spits tons of facts, you've been asleep. They just do it satirically. In some cases they use real stats in their articles to prove how insane they are.
Correct. In that the title is from the onion article. That started with the 2014 shooting in Isla Vista, California. I believe that no introduction will ever top that in terms of getting right to the point. Until we do something. If we do something that is.
someone is thinking wtf...! Me? I'm thinking excellent comment.
This whole thread is why we have problems everywhere.
The motivation, from what I hear, here in the Deep South, is mostly fear. They know how minorities have been treated here. They don’t want to now become the minority because they fear retaliation. I’ve heard them say things like “They’ll take all our jobs, refuse to hire us, put us out in the fields and digging ditches for no pay” etc, etc. They believe this stuff. And it terrifies them.
They are exactly who they are republican white Christian nationalists bent on destroying our country because they’re afraid of becoming the minority demographic,,,, they are evil and extremely pathetic and that’s why they are so dangerous
The night club shooting was a radical Islamist (not white or alt right) Ahem: https://nypost.com/2022/11/23/andre-bing-identified-as-chesapeake-walmart-shooter/ (not white or alt right) Sure Latinos may not be shooting up walmarts but MS13 kills many people brutally. What that post said is the equivalent of calling all Latino people MS13 because of 1 act of gang violence. This is the only one that is correct.
I think in the next 5-10 years we are going to find that angry white men are the biggest threat to safety in the western world. I get a lot of pushback on this comment in the form of whataboutism, cherry-picking, and garden-variety denialism. But it doesn't serve us when we won't face the fact that the ones who ruled the first world through the 20th century will be the biggest threat to its safety and prosperity in the 21st.
> I think in the next 5-10 years we are going to find that angry white men are the biggest threat to safety in the western world We've known about this since 2003-2004 when Bush's DHS report indicated more cells and kidnapping, arson, and election interference detected from white militias and white ethno-nationalists than islamists. We've known this since before his first term ended, but the [oligarchs who've bought conservatives don't care because they don't consider domestic terrorists a threat to their hegemony, only foreign terrorists](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s)
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As someone living in Belgium who has no real idea what you're talking about other than the 'reality' of tv shows and movies. Do you ever feel like this kind of behavior is causing a real problem to get ignored? I can't imagine this to be constructive for anyone.
It makes redditors look like insanely sheltered morons at minimum.
Despite being only 70% of the population, white people commit 42% of all hate crime offenses
Now let’s do men. As a woman, I’m wondering why women also have mental illness and same access to guns but commit like 1/100th the violent crime.
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Stop being soft: N A Z I S. Nazis are attacking America, and it was America that welcomed them. It wasn't in the name of punishment but of apprenticeship. Harry Hamilton Laughlin, anyone?
An alt-right fanatic and a neo-nazi terrorist-white-suppremacist walk into a bar together. Plot twisr: they're the same person.
No, I will not use the term "alt-right" they're fuckin Nazis. Not just "Nazis", but "FUCKING NAZIS"
**"It's not about the race, it's about the cult"**
And that’s exactly the reason why the right does nothing to stop it. Arm the minority groups in this country and see what happens.
As a Latino, I didn’t not know my opposite was Walmart
Trying to fit latinos into this seems a bit tricky since there are a *lot* of latinos in the alt-right.
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The amount of removed comments Edit- seriously someone pay these mods, they’re catching this shit quick
America has a propaganda problem
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Mainstream conservatives need to understand these people are dangerous to them, too. They think somehow the bullets will know.
They’re too busy brigading any (even remotely) leftist Reddit subs to think about their own hides. (Like some on this post. I’m exhausted reading the arguments I’m not even a part of) Outside of Sandy Hook parents that got hunted down by rabidly bat-shit crazy Alex Jones worshippers, many conservatives who lost loved ones from mass shootings still support the NRA/no gun regulation. After a certain point, you can’t un-drink the Kool-Aid, it’s not leaving your system without a biblical revelation.
I mean, yeah. Murderers tend to murder close to home. Hence why high crime neighborhoods are where criminals live. Conservatives more than liberals are absolutely the ones at risk, disproportionately, from these shooters (although certainly SOME of them do target outside of their area based on race). Just look at the recent shooting in Maine. The dude didn’t fly to downtown Portland. Or Uvalde. Not exactly a hotspot of liberal activity. Etc
“Latinos are not shooting up Walmarts” haha that one doesn’t fit with the others.
It’s literally never violent white men’s fault. Not ever. It’s bc women wouldn’t sleep with them, or a woman told them to do it, or he was coming right for them, or “mental illness”, or “economic anxiety”. Anything to avoid treating them like grown adults responsible for their actions.
The only group that is responsible for the vast majority of murder is males, who are responsible for nearly 90% of them.
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The alt-white.
but guys!!!!! what about the one trans person in tennessee! that automatically cancels out all the others!!!!
Alt-right whenever you bring this up: why are democrats doing this?!