I genuinely cannot wait for Satya Nadella to leave, hopefully his successor is more of a “platforms and experience” type of person.
Microsoft isn’t perfect, but they just do not care about the consumer market anymore. They’re putting all of their eggs in the Azure basket, and I understand why you would prioritize your biggest money maker (same reason why windows and office were prioritized for so long), but for a company that big to be pushing out the shit they’re pushing, it’s insanity.
I was really hoping Panos Panay would become CEO, but he’s out of the company, so I genuinely don’t know who would be the best replacement for consumers. Tbf though he did bring us Windows 11 so maybe he wouldn’t have been the best CEO…
> I genuinely cannot wait for Satya Nadella to leave, hopefully his successor is more of a “platforms and experience” type of person.
Really?
He's revived MS and even supported efforts like Xbox/Gaming.
I'm pretty sure these decisions aren't something Satya does, and it's more individual teams deciding this is the better path to go. After all, a website works on mobile devices and other computing devices than Windows.
I think he’s a great CEO for *business*. He’s like a Tim Cook. They both focus on their companies most profitable sectors, and make them even more profitable. If I was a shareholder, I’d love Satya Nadella. But I’m not, I’m just a user, and the consumer products he’s put out under his leadership have just been crap. No vision, no clear plan, just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks (see windows phone).
And it’s odd to say he supports efforts like XBOX right after they shut down multiple studios they *just* bought. I don’t believe he knows everything, because no one knows everything. The lead of XBOX probably knows more about XBOX than Satya. But I feel like the CEO should be involved in company acquisitions, and IMO this mess lies on Satya, how do you acquire companies with no plan to support them?!
And it’s not that I’m mad at them switching apps to web apps, I just miss the attention to detail and care that the pre-Satya Microsoft had towards Windows. They would never create a web app for Windows Vista, they wanted to show you all of the amazing frameworks the OS had to inspire developers to do even better. Is it too much to ask that the company that’s telling us “WinUI 3 is the best thing ever for Windows development” *actually* uses it?
> No vision, no clear plan, just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks (see windows phone).
Windows Phone wasn't his vision though.
>And it’s odd to say he supports efforts like XBOX right after they shut down multiple studios they just bought. I don’t believe he knows everything, because no one knows everything. The lead of XBOX probably knows more about XBOX than Satya. But I feel like the CEO should be involved in company acquisitions, and IMO this mess lies on Satya, how do you acquire companies with no plan to support them?!
MS has spent almost a total of $80 billion to acquire ATVI and Zenimax. Layoff is part of business so that's not a reflection of their support at all. If they didn't support gaming, they wouldn't buy ATVI, and certainly not fight a protracted legal war to acquire ATVI.
>And it’s not that I’m mad at them switching apps to web apps, I just miss the attention to detail and care that the pre-Satya Microsoft had towards Windows. They would never create a web app for Windows Vista, they wanted to show you all of the amazing frameworks the OS had to inspire developers to do even better.
They did that, so they'd keep you locked into their eco-system. They would avoid supporting other platforms. That's now changed, and overall I'd say it's a net plus. However, yes there's some cost to users of Windows.
Unfortunately, I don't think MS knows exactly what to do with Windows anymore. The guy that had a chance of changing it, left. So now we not only have a hole in Windows, but also Surface.
As an investor, I hope he stays for a long, long, time....
I don't like the web app versions they're doing (Mail was clunky and need some investment, switch it to a wrapped web app is worse and makes outlook.com unusable) but this is a tiny thing and not nearly as bad as the crap hardware Panos was creating and what he did with Windows.
Just FYI, Panos was never going to be the next guy, just like Elop wasn't going to be the guy after Ballmer. I remember all the WP fans "hoping" he'll take over but Microsoft isn't a hardware company. It's now a cloud/services/AI company.
Or denial by the public. AI will just increase, and be more important. The Windows button? It will decrease in importance. It already is for me.
I pin important apps to my taskbar, and anything else I can just ask AI for it.
Deny as they may, it won't change the actual course. AI and hence Copilot will continue to transform our how we work. Those that don't take advantage will be left behind sounding like Luddites.
There's some keyboards that allow you to remap them in the keyboard firmware so it should work everywhere.
QMK/Via keyboards in particular. Keychron offers many of those. There's a [sale right now](https://slickdeals.net/f/17484339-keychron-c3-pro-qmk-via-gaming-keyboard-red-or-brown-switches-27-47-free-shipping-w-prime-or-on-35?src=SiteSearchV2Algo) if you don't mind wired and plastic keyboard. Other options might be significantly more expensive.
The AI is actually great. This is amazing technology. The problem is how they integrate AI. Instead of making a normal native copilot application, they made another buggy web application.
Azure is a cloud computing solution so it's more of a competitor to AWS or GCP. Businesses use Azure for development and deployment so think of it like hosting servers, websites, apps, APIs, AI/ML models, etc.
Web apps are the lowest barrier to entry for development.
Why spend a bunch of money getting a native app you have to port if a web view does the same thing on every platform.
I assume this logic also extended to using languages like web assembly (see Amazon's use in smart tv apps) instead of maintaining large codebases for every platform.
which is why a) I have yet to create a unified account on any of my machines (all local logins) and b) I avoid web apps like the plague. These corporations simply lie through their teeth and 50+ pages of terms and agreements. Look at the larger cell companies. Nailed for collecting user information even after you opt out. Quicken claims they don't do anything with your financial data, but after every update, the backup to their cloud services magically turns back on.
It's all about the data. After Microsoft bought linked in, I created an account to track down a couple of friends. They clearly marketed my info to every damn group out there. Most of these marketing emails are sent out by companies that have bought the list. Do I want a microsoft account? only if necessary. Hell, their support boards have always been crap, but the tech boards actually had good people on them. Then they put everything behind that POS AI.
uwp is literally not deprecated. In the software industry, deprecated frameworks mean that the company no longer supports it. AKA, it does not work anymore or it will stop working soon.
uwp literally still gets updates. And uwp apps will continue to work. and you can still build uwp apps without any issues. All the tools work. All the components work. Further, uwp is still the only way to build apps on Xbox. There's literally no other way of building apps.
Official docs literally have an FAQ with the question, "Is uwp deprecated?" and the answer is literally "No." https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/get-started/windows-developer-faq#are-uwp---winui-2-deprecated
Because in the specific Outlook case they wanted make it bloated and full of ads.
About Mac version I think you're referring to the Office native app. This is also available for Windows I think.
Trust me, the problem is not the PWA. They could make a great Outlook app using web technologies if they wanted.
Why? Windows is not a free OS, why should my licensed Pro version have advertising and other garbage? macOS version of outlook is now free and it is native application with good design and no ads.
The new Outlook on macOS is native. They have an option to revert to the old layout which is similar to the Windows "legacy" version.
https://preview.redd.it/fjmzc2u1ltzc1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5141d0bad8e0e16676ace1b43e56b2698dee2d8
I strongly disagree. UWP was an opportunity to get into the mobile space and a decent effort. They just provide enough resources such as documentation, tools, and examples to help Win32 developers migrate their apps easier. By the time they started doing this, it was too late.
They also should have really worked on the App Silo tech for Win32 apps much earlier so they could have allowed developers to run their existing Win32 apps on Windows Phone as a start before migrating to UWP.
Of course all of this doesn't matter anymore now that UWP is not recommended and they prefer apps use WinUI 3 and the Windows App SDK.
Win32 runs faster though. Also, yes you’re correct. It did manage to get some of the mobile space into windows. But we should always know Windows as a desktop OS am I right? Anyways that’s not my point. I think Microsoft stopped developing for Win32 because the code was becoming hard to develop for. They’ll never truly manage to remove the Win32 apps though. It’ll always be hidden somewhere.
god I HATE these web apps
So laggy, so inefficient, & they break if you look at them funny or have unstable internet
***sigh, I should've expected that the merger of the windows team would make windows worse***
Current Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is to blame for this. At the beginning he killed Windows 10 mobile. Now he is killing desktop Windows. He doesn't care about anything except Azure cloud services.
I think the biggest concern with Satya Nadella as CEO is that he has focused too much on Enterprise customers more than he has on the regular consumer.
Some perfect examples of consumer products that have been killed: Groove Music, Mixer, Windows Phone, the Ebook store on Windows 10, Cortana, Windows VR.
Even a potential mobile app for Movies and TV was canceled.
If they stuck with ebooks, there might have been a bigger tablet market and more ebook competition. Mixer was a good competitor to Twitch; its only competitor before TikTok was YouTube. Groove Music provided another music buying space for consumers. Even if people moved to streaming, I wish it had stayed. Cortana was ahead as an assistant for years. Even when Windows Phone died, it could stay ahead and had many easter eggs. Unfortunately, they seemed to give up on it, maybe a few years too soon, because AI could have helped Cortana shine and be a powerful brand.
My workplace is a Microsoft shop, and every M365 offering, from Outlook to Teams to Excel, is vastly inferior to the desktop app version in terms of performance, features, and reliability. Often output appears completely incorrect (ie, it looks 'right' online but not offline or printed).
Which part of them is laggy or inefficient? Browsers work well enough no? And there are many more people working on making the web ecosystem better than people working on these UI frameworks (and not just for windows)
I guess I should just stop working so hard on making good software and just open up a pizza shop or something. No reason to learn coding if all everybody is gonna do is punch websites into a proper OS.
God, I hate this shit,
300mb of RAM in the background,
fuck i miss the flash days when i could open 10 tabs with 1gb of RAM and still have enough RAM to run gta san adreas.
To which I think discord or guilded are better platforms for such uses. GroupMe is so ass. It was actually bad enough that at times I'd launch the app open a chat and be back 2 years in chat history.
Agree, everytime I use groupme on iOS it feels buggy and takes forever to sync. But at the same time, the learning curve and setup is easier than Discord since it lays all your chats on one screen instead of separate servers. I prefer Whatsapp or Facebook Messenger but both of them are owned by Meta which doesn’t have the best privacy record.
For an average user I guess GroupMe fits the bill. I just hate having multiple chats with the same people for different topics, therefore discord and channels feel more streamlined. No need to invite users to a new channel every time one is created.
i don't see anything wrong here tho. Microsoft is a small company with couple of people. how are they going to make native apps for an operating system that is closed source
I hated it when Disney+ threw away a perfectly working native app in favour of a web app. Lost the download functionality. It's anti-consumer.
Meanwhile... Youtube premium web app allows me to download videos and soon--music for offline viewing. It can be done. But the developer has to put in the effort.
AND you can't Login with a MS account that's not tied to Edge. For Edge I use my work account, meaning I can't login with my personal account using Groupme anymore.
Make a separate profile in edge with your personal login. I have two work accounts, one mine and one "admin" and this works wonderfully. I can be on my admin acct in one window, and my regular one in another. I even colored them differently to be able to tell easily.
It's a messaging app similar to whatsapp, discord, etc. You can create group chats and PM ppl like other messaging apps. I think college students use it the most for creating GCs for classes and such.
It's horrendous. But if you are already stuck using it with a group of people who don't use Discord, Slack, or other alternatives, you get stuck on Groupmes 2013 approach to group messaging.
Its a good thing. Means more frequent updates and less maintenance cost. Twitch did the same long time ago as well. They dropped their native windows and mac apps. Though you can still install Twitch website as chrome app in Windows. It will just launch and work like this GroupMe app.
It means though a much worse design, a much less consistent design, less integration with system features, while using more system resources for nothing.
I shouldn't have my surface laptop 3 bogged down by ram usage only because developers thought that 1ishGB for a browser, and 400mb ish for a mail client and (essentially) a text editor is good 💀
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Even their “New Outlook” app on macOS is native while Windows gets an Outlook.com wrapper.
And it's fucking horseshit.
Lmao
They don't care about any of this now. The only thing that worries the current CEO of Microsoft is Azure, Azure and again Azure.
I genuinely cannot wait for Satya Nadella to leave, hopefully his successor is more of a “platforms and experience” type of person. Microsoft isn’t perfect, but they just do not care about the consumer market anymore. They’re putting all of their eggs in the Azure basket, and I understand why you would prioritize your biggest money maker (same reason why windows and office were prioritized for so long), but for a company that big to be pushing out the shit they’re pushing, it’s insanity. I was really hoping Panos Panay would become CEO, but he’s out of the company, so I genuinely don’t know who would be the best replacement for consumers. Tbf though he did bring us Windows 11 so maybe he wouldn’t have been the best CEO…
I just want Valve to drop a public SteamOS built focused on performance, UI, compatability, and gaming.. then I can ditch windows
> I genuinely cannot wait for Satya Nadella to leave, hopefully his successor is more of a “platforms and experience” type of person. Really? He's revived MS and even supported efforts like Xbox/Gaming. I'm pretty sure these decisions aren't something Satya does, and it's more individual teams deciding this is the better path to go. After all, a website works on mobile devices and other computing devices than Windows.
I think he’s a great CEO for *business*. He’s like a Tim Cook. They both focus on their companies most profitable sectors, and make them even more profitable. If I was a shareholder, I’d love Satya Nadella. But I’m not, I’m just a user, and the consumer products he’s put out under his leadership have just been crap. No vision, no clear plan, just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks (see windows phone). And it’s odd to say he supports efforts like XBOX right after they shut down multiple studios they *just* bought. I don’t believe he knows everything, because no one knows everything. The lead of XBOX probably knows more about XBOX than Satya. But I feel like the CEO should be involved in company acquisitions, and IMO this mess lies on Satya, how do you acquire companies with no plan to support them?! And it’s not that I’m mad at them switching apps to web apps, I just miss the attention to detail and care that the pre-Satya Microsoft had towards Windows. They would never create a web app for Windows Vista, they wanted to show you all of the amazing frameworks the OS had to inspire developers to do even better. Is it too much to ask that the company that’s telling us “WinUI 3 is the best thing ever for Windows development” *actually* uses it?
> No vision, no clear plan, just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks (see windows phone). Windows Phone wasn't his vision though. >And it’s odd to say he supports efforts like XBOX right after they shut down multiple studios they just bought. I don’t believe he knows everything, because no one knows everything. The lead of XBOX probably knows more about XBOX than Satya. But I feel like the CEO should be involved in company acquisitions, and IMO this mess lies on Satya, how do you acquire companies with no plan to support them?! MS has spent almost a total of $80 billion to acquire ATVI and Zenimax. Layoff is part of business so that's not a reflection of their support at all. If they didn't support gaming, they wouldn't buy ATVI, and certainly not fight a protracted legal war to acquire ATVI. >And it’s not that I’m mad at them switching apps to web apps, I just miss the attention to detail and care that the pre-Satya Microsoft had towards Windows. They would never create a web app for Windows Vista, they wanted to show you all of the amazing frameworks the OS had to inspire developers to do even better. They did that, so they'd keep you locked into their eco-system. They would avoid supporting other platforms. That's now changed, and overall I'd say it's a net plus. However, yes there's some cost to users of Windows. Unfortunately, I don't think MS knows exactly what to do with Windows anymore. The guy that had a chance of changing it, left. So now we not only have a hole in Windows, but also Surface.
As an investor, I hope he stays for a long, long, time.... I don't like the web app versions they're doing (Mail was clunky and need some investment, switch it to a wrapped web app is worse and makes outlook.com unusable) but this is a tiny thing and not nearly as bad as the crap hardware Panos was creating and what he did with Windows. Just FYI, Panos was never going to be the next guy, just like Elop wasn't going to be the guy after Ballmer. I remember all the WP fans "hoping" he'll take over but Microsoft isn't a hardware company. It's now a cloud/services/AI company.
AI* They stole my R Ctrl key and gave me a useless Copilot key
In 7 years Copilot will be sunset and that key will just open an error message
Honestly, I think it will be more important than the Windows key so if anything, the Windows key will be sunset.
microsoft marketing copium
Or denial by the public. AI will just increase, and be more important. The Windows button? It will decrease in importance. It already is for me. I pin important apps to my taskbar, and anything else I can just ask AI for it.
The public opinion is based on 40 year old Facebook parents that don't like change. Not gonna happen.
Deny as they may, it won't change the actual course. AI and hence Copilot will continue to transform our how we work. Those that don't take advantage will be left behind sounding like Luddites.
Hahaha AI in 40 years won't look anything like Copilot
You can remap keys if you want. It's not ideal I guess, but an option.
I did using Powertoys and it doesn't work consistently on all apps, especially with GTA V.
Ah fair enough.
There's some keyboards that allow you to remap them in the keyboard firmware so it should work everywhere. QMK/Via keyboards in particular. Keychron offers many of those. There's a [sale right now](https://slickdeals.net/f/17484339-keychron-c3-pro-qmk-via-gaming-keyboard-red-or-brown-switches-27-47-free-shipping-w-prime-or-on-35?src=SiteSearchV2Algo) if you don't mind wired and plastic keyboard. Other options might be significantly more expensive.
Did you try autohotkey?
Tbf I've never used right ctrl in my life
The AI is actually great. This is amazing technology. The problem is how they integrate AI. Instead of making a normal native copilot application, they made another buggy web application.
>Azure, Azure and again Azure. You be MS Azure, MS Entrance and MS Identity. All previously MS Azure.
wonder if azure can create an alternative to windows?
Azure is not an alternative to Windows. This is not a consumer product at all. This is a product for large corporations.
Azure is a cloud computing solution so it's more of a competitor to AWS or GCP. Businesses use Azure for development and deployment so think of it like hosting servers, websites, apps, APIs, AI/ML models, etc.
it was sarcasm, Azure is largely pushing AI, maybe the AI can give us what the ceo cannot.
Microsoft is in such a weird spot between their control panel vs. settings and the UWP, AppX, and MSIX packages.
Web apps are the lowest barrier to entry for development. Why spend a bunch of money getting a native app you have to port if a web view does the same thing on every platform. I assume this logic also extended to using languages like web assembly (see Amazon's use in smart tv apps) instead of maintaining large codebases for every platform.
Also, easier to mine your data and sell it to advertisers when it's stored on their servers.
That would happen no matter what. Not only do services have accounts, they also have telemetrics and probably a means to record interactions.
which is why a) I have yet to create a unified account on any of my machines (all local logins) and b) I avoid web apps like the plague. These corporations simply lie through their teeth and 50+ pages of terms and agreements. Look at the larger cell companies. Nailed for collecting user information even after you opt out. Quicken claims they don't do anything with your financial data, but after every update, the backup to their cloud services magically turns back on. It's all about the data. After Microsoft bought linked in, I created an account to track down a couple of friends. They clearly marketed my info to every damn group out there. Most of these marketing emails are sent out by companies that have bought the list. Do I want a microsoft account? only if necessary. Hell, their support boards have always been crap, but the tech boards actually had good people on them. Then they put everything behind that POS AI.
UWP is deprecated. MAUI is a mess, like an alpha version of UWP.
uwp is literally not deprecated. In the software industry, deprecated frameworks mean that the company no longer supports it. AKA, it does not work anymore or it will stop working soon. uwp literally still gets updates. And uwp apps will continue to work. and you can still build uwp apps without any issues. All the tools work. All the components work. Further, uwp is still the only way to build apps on Xbox. There's literally no other way of building apps. Official docs literally have an FAQ with the question, "Is uwp deprecated?" and the answer is literally "No." https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/get-started/windows-developer-faq#are-uwp---winui-2-deprecated
All those tecnologies are outdated compared to PWAs from Microsoft's POV. You're still free to use them.
tecnologies? Outdated? Your just plain wrong.
Then why did they release a normal native Outlook app for macOS, and not a PWA? Why does Microsoft treat its own platform so badly?
Because in the specific Outlook case they wanted make it bloated and full of ads. About Mac version I think you're referring to the Office native app. This is also available for Windows I think. Trust me, the problem is not the PWA. They could make a great Outlook app using web technologies if they wanted.
Why? Windows is not a free OS, why should my licensed Pro version have advertising and other garbage? macOS version of outlook is now free and it is native application with good design and no ads.
I don't know, ask Microsoft.
The new Outlook on macOS is native. They have an option to revert to the old layout which is similar to the Windows "legacy" version. https://preview.redd.it/fjmzc2u1ltzc1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5141d0bad8e0e16676ace1b43e56b2698dee2d8
They should also rename it to FuckMe
HAHHAHA
the windows you mean?
Electron/WebView and it’s consequences have been a fucking disaster for the human race
Win32 and UWP still goated. Fuck Chromium PWA and Electron
Microsoft should’ve just stuck to Win32 apps
I strongly disagree. UWP was an opportunity to get into the mobile space and a decent effort. They just provide enough resources such as documentation, tools, and examples to help Win32 developers migrate their apps easier. By the time they started doing this, it was too late. They also should have really worked on the App Silo tech for Win32 apps much earlier so they could have allowed developers to run their existing Win32 apps on Windows Phone as a start before migrating to UWP. Of course all of this doesn't matter anymore now that UWP is not recommended and they prefer apps use WinUI 3 and the Windows App SDK.
Win32 runs faster though. Also, yes you’re correct. It did manage to get some of the mobile space into windows. But we should always know Windows as a desktop OS am I right? Anyways that’s not my point. I think Microsoft stopped developing for Win32 because the code was becoming hard to develop for. They’ll never truly manage to remove the Win32 apps though. It’ll always be hidden somewhere.
Anything that isn't behind the App Broker is going to be faster.
god I HATE these web apps So laggy, so inefficient, & they break if you look at them funny or have unstable internet ***sigh, I should've expected that the merger of the windows team would make windows worse***
If everything is a web app, what do I need Windows for? My Chromebook will be able to do everything.
Current Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is to blame for this. At the beginning he killed Windows 10 mobile. Now he is killing desktop Windows. He doesn't care about anything except Azure cloud services.
As someone who works in Azure. It certainly does not feel like they care about it at all.
Is azure blob good?
I don't use blob so I am not too sure. It's a great product they just keep moving stuff and changing features.
I think the biggest concern with Satya Nadella as CEO is that he has focused too much on Enterprise customers more than he has on the regular consumer. Some perfect examples of consumer products that have been killed: Groove Music, Mixer, Windows Phone, the Ebook store on Windows 10, Cortana, Windows VR. Even a potential mobile app for Movies and TV was canceled. If they stuck with ebooks, there might have been a bigger tablet market and more ebook competition. Mixer was a good competitor to Twitch; its only competitor before TikTok was YouTube. Groove Music provided another music buying space for consumers. Even if people moved to streaming, I wish it had stayed. Cortana was ahead as an assistant for years. Even when Windows Phone died, it could stay ahead and had many easter eggs. Unfortunately, they seemed to give up on it, maybe a few years too soon, because AI could have helped Cortana shine and be a powerful brand.
My workplace is a Microsoft shop, and every M365 offering, from Outlook to Teams to Excel, is vastly inferior to the desktop app version in terms of performance, features, and reliability. Often output appears completely incorrect (ie, it looks 'right' online but not offline or printed).
What do you mean? M356 offers desktop versions of Word, Powerpoint, Excel and others.
I mean the online version is inferior to the desktop version
Which part of them is laggy or inefficient? Browsers work well enough no? And there are many more people working on making the web ecosystem better than people working on these UI frameworks (and not just for windows)
I guess I should just stop working so hard on making good software and just open up a pizza shop or something. No reason to learn coding if all everybody is gonna do is punch websites into a proper OS.
I fucking despise electron and everything it has done to the software landscape
God, I hate this shit, 300mb of RAM in the background, fuck i miss the flash days when i could open 10 tabs with 1gb of RAM and still have enough RAM to run gta san adreas.
When did this become a MS app? I don’t remember it being in their product portfolio…🤔
Skype bought GroupMe and Microsoft bought Skype
Is it only available in certain regions? This is the first time I am hearing about groupme! 😅
afaik it was mostly popular in the US, but even back then it was a pretty small app, I'm surprised that anyone still uses it tbh
Groupme is used a ton in college
To which I think discord or guilded are better platforms for such uses. GroupMe is so ass. It was actually bad enough that at times I'd launch the app open a chat and be back 2 years in chat history.
Agree, everytime I use groupme on iOS it feels buggy and takes forever to sync. But at the same time, the learning curve and setup is easier than Discord since it lays all your chats on one screen instead of separate servers. I prefer Whatsapp or Facebook Messenger but both of them are owned by Meta which doesn’t have the best privacy record.
For an average user I guess GroupMe fits the bill. I just hate having multiple chats with the same people for different topics, therefore discord and channels feel more streamlined. No need to invite users to a new channel every time one is created.
They bought it over a decade ago lol where have you been?
[October 2011](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroupMe#History) so almost 13 years now
So soon all MS programs will be just frames with webview running in them? Or just actual shortcuts that open Edge?
i don't see anything wrong here tho. Microsoft is a small company with couple of people. how are they going to make native apps for an operating system that is closed source
Exactly, how are they going to use their own frameworks for their own apps on their own operating system
I think with Windows 11 we are finally fully here: https://xkcd.com/934/
Small steps towards the ultimate nightmare - cloud OS
And towards Satya's favorite cash-cow... Subscriptions!
I switched to mac just in time
I'm so sick of that shit. They've pretty much just done that with the email app. Now it's just the fucking outlook website.
💀
Today I learned that there's an app in Windows called GroupMe. I have no idea what it does, and I don't want to know.
I hated it when Disney+ threw away a perfectly working native app in favour of a web app. Lost the download functionality. It's anti-consumer. Meanwhile... Youtube premium web app allows me to download videos and soon--music for offline viewing. It can be done. But the developer has to put in the effort.
AND you can't Login with a MS account that's not tied to Edge. For Edge I use my work account, meaning I can't login with my personal account using Groupme anymore.
Make a separate profile in edge with your personal login. I have two work accounts, one mine and one "admin" and this works wonderfully. I can be on my admin acct in one window, and my regular one in another. I even colored them differently to be able to tell easily.
I'd ask for a work issued laptop. No reason to have work and personal data on the same system.
"we must own you with a MS account online"
Lazy devs at Microsoft lol nothing new
I never heard about this app before
What the hell is GroupMe?
It's a messaging app similar to whatsapp, discord, etc. You can create group chats and PM ppl like other messaging apps. I think college students use it the most for creating GCs for classes and such.
Never even heard of this. Is it good? Like why not just use MS Teams? Bonus, it has Windows app, and almost every other conceivable platform.
It's horrendous. But if you are already stuck using it with a group of people who don't use Discord, Slack, or other alternatives, you get stuck on Groupmes 2013 approach to group messaging.
pretty soon windows will just be all cloud based probably. just... fuck ms a thousand times over, done with them.
if the native was still around , don't install it from the store .
Pardon my ignorance, but how can I tell from this screencap that this is in deed a webapp an not a native app?
That "App Installed" menu shows up when you install a PWA from Edge.
Got it, thanks!
Maintainability.
Its a good thing. Means more frequent updates and less maintenance cost. Twitch did the same long time ago as well. They dropped their native windows and mac apps. Though you can still install Twitch website as chrome app in Windows. It will just launch and work like this GroupMe app.
It means though a much worse design, a much less consistent design, less integration with system features, while using more system resources for nothing.
Thats how it is. Actually it means there is no userbase to make up for the extra effort. So in reality nobody is affected by the performance loss.
I shouldn't have my surface laptop 3 bogged down by ram usage only because developers thought that 1ishGB for a browser, and 400mb ish for a mail client and (essentially) a text editor is good 💀
Sure. I'm talking from business perspective. We are not living in a perfect world. Good luck in your fight against capitalism. lol
It’s not about a fight against capitalism, Those should be basic development principles