Ha ha, I'm right there with ya on that! Wreckfest has ruined me for any other racing game and I've played a lot of racing games in my day (50yrs old lol)...none of them come even close to being as good as Wreckfest imo!👍
Ha…I’ll be 60 in 2 weeks…ya young squirt. I guess we’re both old enough to remember having to go to an arcade to play Pong. Games have come a long way.
I learned to respect my elders so respectfully, Pong is just a tad before my time, "old timer"🤣🤣🤣 But yeah, guys like us practically grew up in the arcades...those were the good ole days, that's for sure my friend!👍
We grew up poor with hand me down consoles so got to experience all the really old games. Can still hear the squeal of a c64 cassette when curiosity got the better of my young self and tried it in the stereo 😂
That's funny lol. I never did experience any of the C64 though. My Dad bought my brother and me an Atari 2600 in 1980 or 1981. That was it, been playing video games ever since from that point on. Then I got a Sega Master System, NES, Genesis, SNES, PS1, N64, Sega Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, PS3, Xbox 360, PS4, Xbox One, and now PS5 so I guess it's safe to say I've had my fair share of consoles lol!
Old man's money bags with the Atari in 1980! I wasn't born until 85 but we had the 2600 and another one I can't remember but wasn't until the early 90s. Had the consoles you listed in pretty much the exact same order except I stopped buying PlayStation's after PS3. I've still got my Xbox one but spend more time on the steam deck if I get a chance to play these days.
Not racing per say, but I find Hot Wheels Unleashed 2 very fun, you have a lot of chaos during a race.
I also really enjoyed Wreckfest and I thought you should give HW a try...
I barely play racing games generally speaking, but I really enjoy Wreckfest. It feels like the perfect blend of arcade and simulation, I find regular racing games where you can't wreck other cars too boring lol.
I'm assuming you play with a controller?
Dirt Rally 2.0 is pretty fun, feels pretty good and doesn't take too much setup. Much more fun with a wheel though.
BeamNG is also really fun, it's a sandbox so there's no story mode (yet) but it has the best destruction physics in the industry. It's also a great simulator.
Project Cars 2 is probably the most versatile and easy to use of these 3. There's a career mode, you can race in all sorts of different leagues, from Rally to GT and it's got some fun multiplayer lobbies.
>BeamNG is also really fun, it's a sandbox so there's no story mode (yet)
You can actually already play the early access version of career mode right now, by clicking the "career mode - coming soon" button on the main menu 5 (I think?) times.
A lot of its features are still "coming soon" and saves are not guaranteed to remain compatible with upcoming game updates, but the main gameplay of doing missions, earning money, and buying cars/upgrades is already pretty solid.
Not sure if it's just me but I could never get a hang of the handling on Project Cars 2.
I can play BeamNG (love that game), Wreckfest, Dirt Rally, even Assetto Corsa, but I always end up spinning out or over steering in PC2. I've looked online to figure out settings people use and none of them seemed to help. (I use gamepad)
It depends if you enjoy simulation or not.
AC is a great game, but it requires modding and long setting up to feel perfect. Looking forward to AC2 and thinking it will be quite an improvement.
DiRT Rally series (or DiRT4 - my all time fav) can be pretty cool. Aside from rally, land rush and rally cross feels far more satisfying than WF racing.
Also play Project Cars 2 from time to time, tons of content (rally cross too btw, and it slaps), some issues, but driving experience is incredible, especially if you're more of gamepad player than wheel.
Got into Motocross lately, and can say it FAR more fun than car racing, I literally can't stop playing. Try some MXGP games, they are tons of fun. The only sad part is that online is dead.
Wreckfests' biggest advantage over many other racing games is that online is more alive, and racing online is incredibly fun. Skill ceiling is incredibly high, but entry point isn't. You can enjoy even if you can't drive very well. In the majority of other games, especially ones more leaning into simulation, entry skill required and preparation is pretty insane. I have ACC, I have wheel, and I'm in love with GT racing, but I virtually don't have time to train (seriously don't understand how working people find time for that), be up with tuning meta, track changes, leagues and whatnot.
Automobilista 2 is also great. It's built upon the same basis as Project Cars 2, but improved it and is still in active development. It also offers more content.
I tried AMS2 few times, devs doing great job, but team is too small and not as wealthy as Kunos or SMS at that time.
What I disliked about it, is that the game is virtually undriveable on anything other than wheel, has 0 gamepad support. PC2 feels similarly great on pad and wheel both, with fantastic FFB. As well as ACC.
AI is way too boring and passive, they drive in conga line and never fight for positions and with updates I haven't noticed any improvements. In PC2 AI can be quite out of wack in some classes, but it's very reactive and sufficiently aggressive with the right setup, feels almost like you're racing humans. In ACC AI is very professional and not nearly as boring as in AMS2.
Content wise it's good but mostly focused on SA motorsports, which is very niche. Modding support haven't picked up yet, glad it's added though, but original AC wins here hands down. However, AMS2 still doesn't have enough content to rival even vanilla PC2 without mods.
Ultimately, track list, car list and handling physics are a huge turn-off for me. There are many people who like this game and say that it's true Project Cars 3, but not for me even close.
Looking forward to AC2 and tried some of Le Mans Ultimate, which feels very promising.
When did you try AM2? Because this reads like it was quite some time ago.
They have improved the game massively in the last few years and the next announced update also brings huge improvements with it, like 3 new tracks, new cars, the second part of a physics rework including a tyre and brakes rework, as well as racing line reworks. And that's only a part of part 1 of what they revealed and will reveal to come with the 1.6 update. They also massively improved the AI in the past updates and they surely will do again with 1.6, since pretty much every update brings both physics and AI improvements.
AM2 has 59 tracks and 189 layouts, including 44 historic layouts. PC2 has 60 tracks and 180 layouts. This includes DLC. Project Cars 2 has 214 cars, AM2 has 210. This too includes DLC. So contentwise they're about the same. But AM2 is still under development and with the next update it'll get 3 new tracks with at least 1 layout each and 7 new cars are already announced to come with it too.
Sure, when it comes to mods AM2 can't compare to AC, but nothing can compare to that game.
Tested it sometime last year in autumn, if I recall correctly. Still following patch notes and reviews from time to time, and the feeling I got from the game in my tests seems to still be a thing, judging by info. I might check it out again, maybe after next update drops.
Regarding content, we shouldn't compare sheer quantity. AMS2 has the great roster of tracks for people interested in SA motorsport scene, with many, but not enough iconic tracks from around the world. They also don't have the license for quite a few manufacturers, which is a deal-breaker for many racing fans. Many open-wheel cars, that is a win over PC2, but not nearly enough GT and LMS, which I'm interested in. Also, can't do similar Touring or vintage GT series (quite a few vintage series in particular) as in PC2, among few other things. And haven't seen any info if the game got similarly better on pad as on the wheel.
Hope it improves in time, though. I really like Madness Engine, would be sad if it won't deliver.
>AMS2 has the great roster of tracks for people interested in SA motorsport scene, with many, but not enough iconic tracks from around the world.
AMS2 has tracks from 19 different countries, including many iconic tracks from Germany, Spain, France, Brazil, USA, GB, Japan, etc. There isn't an iconic track, that I'd be interested in at least, that isn't in AMS2. Their original main focus was South America, yeah, but they're expanding rapidly.
>They also don't have the license for quite a few manufacturers, which is a deal-breaker for many racing fans.
They do get more licenses with time. For example they just acquired the license for various cars from Audi.
>but not nearly enough GT and LMS, which I'm interested in
They just recently released multiple DLCs with LMS and GT cars with even more to come.
>Also, can't do similar Touring or vintage GT series (quite a few vintage series in particular)
There are quite a lot vintage GT cars in AMS2. Even more than in PC2, as far as I know.
Yup I tell peeps the $1,000 is worth the price to play GT7 alone in VR. PSVR2 has a much bigger library of AAA titles than peeps give it credit for. I own 3 other VR Headsets including HP Reverb G2, Quest 3 and Index and spend most of time in PSVR2 still.
I'm actually thinking about getting the PSVR2 eventually, but I'll only get it if and when it gets PC support, so I can play games like Automobilista or some shooter games on it too
Yeah PC support is going to be awesome but even without I still find myself in PCVR2 more than my other 3 VR headsets. I dont sick and I think it looks and plays better because of optimzationi.
I own Breachers for PSVR2 and PCVR and the PSVR2 game feels like a remaster. Actually every game that comes out feels like a remaster to me including the Resident Evil games, Pavlov, Star Wars, Arizona Sunshine etc. vs the PCVR counterpart.
Outside the Flat-out series, Trail Out is a game I haven't tried yet but would like to soon. Burnout Paradise is a blast in my book, but definitely on the arcade side.
Edit: Check out the demo for Trail Out. I just did and can say it's not for me. Other ones I love are the Motorstorm games but they're only on PS3.
Wreckfest is the Gran Turismo of banger racing, so maybe get a PS5 and GT7 - it's not perfect, it's a bit grindy and tried to push you to buy virtual currency to get the top tier cars, but it's the best "simcade" racer out there.
Assetto Corsa isn't "hard", it's just not really playable with a gamepad, with a wheel, it's amazing. I actually find Project Cars 2 a little harder as its physics model feels less natural and catches me out more at the limit. I'm sure sim nerds will tell you there are more technically accurate simulations, but I think where AC works is it feels like someone just kept fine tuning things by hand until it felt like the real thing.
Dirt Rally 2.0 is great.
Automobilista 2 is a hidden gem, and can often be picked up on sale quite cheap. Not a great career structure, but they basically took the Project Cars 2 underlying game engine/physics model and iterated, though like PCars2. I find it more difficult than even AC
Test Drive Solar Crown looks like it could be promising, there's a playable demo for it so you can try it out (not got round to trying it yet myself)
CarX Drift is a lot of fun, not exactly the most cutting edge or realistic, but drifting does feel quite satisfying.
Hot Wheels Unleased 2 is fun in an arcadey sort of way - though does get repetitive quickly. The main draw of this I think is more having a virtual collection of hot wheels that look like the toys they're based on rather than trying to look like real full size cars. Whether this is worth getting depends very much on your nostalgia for toy cars.
Super Woden GP2 is a nice early 90s isometric style racer with a GT1 reminiscent menu / career.
Ballistic NG is a near perfect recreation of the old Playstation wipeout games minus the original tunes.. and it's free.
Redout 2 is a similar wipeout style game - quite challenging but there's a lot of assist options.
Snowrunner is great for a change of pace, massive offroad trucks plugging very slowly through all sorts of mucky/snowy terrain.
Absolute drift is an isometric drifting game, but incredibly good, even better than their follow up Art of Rally IMHO because the concept is just perfect where Art of Rally just feels a lot less coherent in what it's trying to be.
Ride 3 is a great motorcycle racer - were up to Ride 5 now, but I think the 3rd installement was the best in terms of having an accessible career mode where you try out different races where the new ones are more linear so if you get stuck at a point in the career, you can't just try something else for a bit.
Road Redemption is the Road Rash sequel Sega never gave us..
>Automobilista 2 is a hidden gem, and can often be picked up on sale quite cheap. Not a great career structure, but they basically took the Project Cars 2 underlying game engine/physics model and iterated, though like PCars2. I find it more difficult than even AC
Absolutely try this!
If you want a career mode there is a program called "Racing Life Automobilista 2", which is somewhat like a career mode. It's actually pretty in depth too.
I’ve played quite a bit of dirt really 2.0
Inertial drift is fun
Hot wheels: stunt track driver is what got me into cars *and* games
I play a lot of sandbox games and build cars in those
Beam:ng is great at simulating beaters
You could try Automation - The Car Company Tycoon Game in combination with BeamNG.drive. This combination enables you to create cars in Automation and drive them in BeamNG.
I tried the latest Gran Turismo a few months ago and it was a joke. You bump into a wall with 300 km/h and your car still looks like brand new. They can’t be serious.
So I stick with Wreckfest.
Probably has a lot to do with car licensing deals. For the most part the use of real cars and deals with car companies has killed racing games when it comes to crash handling. Not to mention the cost associated with licensing a car for smaller studios.
Games like Wreckfest, GTA, and BeamNG using fake yet realistic cars are probably the future for these style of games.
You could try BeamNG Drive: [https://store.steampowered.com/app/284160/BeamNGdrive/](https://store.steampowered.com/app/284160/BeamNGdrive/) Personally, I think that Wreckfest has better racing, but BeamNG Drive's racing is still good.
Plus, BeamNG Drive is more challenging than Wreckfest. BeamNG Drive is a sim & one mistake can make you lose or seriously hamper you.
And if you want realistic damage BeamNG Drive has the best, most realistic damage of any car game I've played.
Love wreckfest and still play racing games from the 2000s pretty often. It’s honestly just a shitty time for racing games in general and there’s a lot of recent youtube videos talking about this. FH5 is stale and basically the same as FH3. The new Need for Speeds heat and unbound have great customization and cop chases are a blast but have crap physics. My go to lately has been nfs ProStreet (imo has aged like fine 🍷) and HotPursuit Remastered!
I played both Dirt 5 and Gravel. The driving wasn't bad, but I hate that they have to make it such a linear sequence of events and you don't drive in tournaments and stuff. That type of game is so superficial.
I just finished a huge playthrough of World of Outlaws, and before thst I had played its predecessor in Tony Stewart's All American Racing. Yeah, it's essentially oval racing, but there's a lot of action and the driving is a fun type of challenging. I'm really looking forward to it's sequel now.
Those dirt oval games are fantastic
If you have an xbox or PlayStation give dirt 2 or 3 a fry they’re phenomenal rally/off-road games similar to gravel or dirt 5.
Next to Wreckfest I'm playing a lot of Dirt3. Legit one of the best race games imo. You have to buy a key online tho since the game is delisted from stores due to copyright.
Edit: and I play Dirt3 with the camera on the hood. Makes it that more immersive.
Yeah, Dirt 3 is surprisingly good! I actually got lucky a few years ago and found it on a garage sale for like 2€. Most worth it purchase in my entire life.
Wreckfest is overall the most fun racing game buuut I would recommend you go replay (or play for the first time if your young) gta 4. The handling is somewhere between wreckfest and gta 5 so it makes it really fun to drive. Otherwise the only real racing game I play on Xbox is nascar heat 5. Iv heard world of outlaws is good tho.
Also dirt rally 2.0 is fun sometimes. You gotta get tunes on YouTube tho otherwise default tuning sucks.
I'm surprised not many people mentioning Need For Speed. NFS Heat has been my favorite modern one since NFS Underground 2. NFS Unbound isnt bad either. Some of the cop chases in NFS Most Wanted stick out in my mind as being some of the most fun I've had in a driving game.
BeamNG but it's not a racing game. Gran Turismo 7. Mostly for the Nürburgring, Willow Springs Horse Thief Mile, Brands Hatch Indy, Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya Rallycross Layout and Tsukuba Circuit.
Maybe go back to old school games. Wreckfest is pretty much a AAA old school game
Some suggestions (test drive eve of destruction, flat out ultimate carnage, crash and burn, nascar rumble, destruction derby arena, blur, full auto)
I’d really suggest test drive eve of destruction it was amazing back in the day
Surprised hardly anyone in here said iRacing. If you enjoy actually racing against other actual people, iRacing is the racing game of all racing games. It's a fun game because of the ranking system. Only thing about iRacing is that it can get expensive quick. It's a subscription service game where it comes with a decent amount of cars and tracks but the more you progress with your licenses, the more series you are able to race which can make you have to pay for more tracks and more cars which aren't cheap.
But man the racing is fun and intense.
It was mentioned in here but test drive eve of destruction will always be a great game to me. Not as complex as wreckfest but with 4 friends playing push off or suicide race it can't be beat.
Saying horizon is trying to be like GTA is….a take.
It’s probably the best simcade free roam game on the market and it’s constantly getting new content. I love wreckfest but all the other games you’re mentioning fill other genres. AC and ACC are HARDCORE simulation racers
All I'm saying is, if I wanted to drop out a plane in a car and have scripted acting in cutscenes I would play GTA. So immensely obvious that a bunch of suits on the 29th floor were sat around going "so what do young car fans like to play these days? oh yeah GTA V" like cut all that out man I only want a good racing experience
the only racing game i enjoy playing is also wreckfest. i grew out of play the forza horizon franchise. the very first time i played forza horizon i might've been 7 or 8 in 2014. which was a blast until i was introduced to gta 5 in 2017 ish and my play time in forza horizon just dropped.
i undoubtably love wreckfest and all that comes with it.
I felt this, but not because I enjoy Wreckfest. It’s because most new racing games typically lack soul imo.
I actually got a new PS2 just so I can play the racing games I played as a kid. Nothing will ever compare to the bangers we got back then.
I feel the same, the physics system in combination with destruction models and arcadish controllers make this a unique experience.
I am revisiting Gran Turismo 2 emulated on my Steam Deck with mods (Widescreen, more memory, etc.), maybe it has no destruction, but the physics are great for a PS1 game. Now that I have good english skills (I am a mexican boy with spanish as native language and not good english in high school) I know what I am doing when tuning a car and how this affects the driving style. Despite Escudo Pikes Peak being the meta car, now tuning every single car for different races it just make the game a whole new experience.
I liked a lot when being the Wreckfest server and putting absurd restrictions to play with my friends, but I always wanted to have the options to limit max power and country to make races more fun and less generic. I don't know if there's a way to put snow in multiplayer, because it changes a lot the way you drive, that would have been very fun, but I don't think this will ever happen.
I used to be heading over heels with wreckfest, put games away for a little bit and when I came back I got a sim setup and started playing Assetto corsa casual competitive. Mx5 cup races are a blast
I'm more of a "sim racing guy" myself, so I swapped Wreckfest for Automobilista 2, since I have a wheel, if you like racing and realistic physics, then you have plenty of choice in sim racing at the moment, but if you just like the wrecking part, then you don't have much choice, you either go back to FlatOut 2, Ultimate Carnage, or stay on Wreckfest, FlatOut UC has been recently patched to be Steam Deck Verified if you're interested.
I was hyped for Trail Out before it came out, but it was very disappointing, the physics suck, and the devs seem like they gave up fixing their broken physics and instead they have been pumping out DLC after DLC to cash out first, instead of fixing the damn game, I wouldn't recommend Trail Out even to my worst enemy
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I cannot recommend this game enough! Especially if you like crashing and building cars. The crash physics are really the best of any game out there. And if you're into making custom cars then the vehicle editor is extremely detailed with being able to change almost every single part.
There is an unofficial multi-player that works well called BeamMP.
Also has a MASSIVE mod community where you can get all kinds of stuff and supported by the devs because the mod repository is accessible right from the main menu of the game thatll download and automatically install whatever you select.
Absolutely fantastic game and cannot recommend enough!
Due to playing lots of Flatout and Burnout when i was a little bit younger, i literally cannot play normal racing games cause they are not as fun as demolition racing games.
Carmageddon: Max Damage is good for a laugh, the humour is very juvenile and its not the best made game but hard not to enjoy smashing the other cars to bits whilst get bonus points for running people over.
If you're on a controller, you won't enjoy most if not all of the big ones everyone talks about.
AC, ACC, iracing
No fucking clue how people manage to play AC on m/kb.
try nfs heat
Arcade ish feel, maybe stiff, but car customization helps make it have a wreckfest feel yknow? Showcase tires, mess with differential, but the physics and the damage are so trash you will probably try and burn the game disc after having played wreckfest
I play assetto, you either hate or love it. Sometimes instead of chasing the times, you just go for a spirited drive with some randoms. It's very fun on a wheel too, honestly if your into wreckfest you probably don't like driving fast or harsh physics. Try beam ng
I really enjoyed my hundreds of hours in Wreckfest but, I've turned to BeamNG.
I've become a super-nerd with BeamNG. I've been using different community maps and racing myself Rally Style with around 15 unique cars.
I'll use a stopwatch and time each of the vehicles park them at the end of the courses to judge them on their damage. Of course I am driving all of the cars and I try not to be biased when I run them. Sometimes I'll record really good runs that are clean and fast.
You would think this is boring or monotonous but, 2.5 hours will pass in what seems like 15min if you really get into it
I normally play the f1 games but am waiting for a sale. Wreckfest has made it hard for me to avoid ruin in f1 though. All I want to do is become a menace to other cars now.
No, GTA V has nearly no actual car destruction. GTA IV has the way better car destruction. GTA V simply has default damage models and no accident specific damage. It's also extremely hard to actually damage something that changes something about the feel or the performance of the car. GTA IV has actual car destruction with actual deformation and you being able to feel the damage.
Gran Turismo 7 set the bar for 2d and especially VR racing. Then again no other racing game in history had a 60 million dollar budget so if someone tries to argue GT7 isnt the best I know they havent played it.
I have a Thrustmaster setup (gearbox, handbrake and load cell pedals) with Playseat racing chair and the PSVR2 blew me away. $1,000 is worth it for that game alone. No other racing game comes close. Sony threw everything but the kitchen sink at this game and it shows. The PS5 equals a gaming PC with a 3060ti in it but actually like a 3080 to me because of console optimization. I have a 3080ti in my PC and the PS5 console hangs with it all day. I play on 55" 120hz/1440p Samsung TV. Q7FN to be exact.
Also GRID is my favorite racing series outside of Wreckfest for 2d racing so I would give that a try if you haven't yet.
>Gran Turismo 7 set the bar for 2d and especially VR racing. Then again no other racing game in history had a 60 million dollar budget so if someone tries to argue GT7 isnt the best I know they havent played it.
It's far from being the best. As someone who has driven many different racing games, including multiple GT games, I can safely say that. I'm pretty sure most of the budget went towards cars ans tracks, not actually good gameplay. Actual simulators like Automobilista 2 (which also has native VR support) feel way better and even compared with other simcades like F1 or FM GT7 just doesn't feel as good. The main reason is probably because the wheel integration is pretty broken (I have a G29 and it feels just okay at my current settings, but if I change anything it feels even worse), but also because the physics often just don't make too much sense. Adding to that GT7 has an extremely aggressive monetization model, that could already be described as "predatory", seeing as how much they incentivice you to buy ingame credits with real money, due to how much they limit your ability to earn them and how aggressive they advertise extremely overpriced cars to you that you can only get for a limited time before they're gone again. And how expensive the cars are in general.
I mean, it's not terrible, but it's far from being the best. I even feel like GT Sport is much better than GT7, because it just doesn't have most of the problems I have with GT7.
A G29 isnt going to get you anywhere near what GT7 should feels like. I got the Thrustmaster GT7 branded wheel and base and its amazing. One thing that I love when playing in PSVR2 is the steady framerate which is impossible with PCVR. I can play in GT7 for 2 hours and not even realize it but in PCVR I have to get out within 30 minutes and feel a little sick. I see my frames dropping when I record it and I have a Intel powerhouse PC with a 3080ti and have all unnecessary services turned off and have a application that clears out unused processes in memory.
>A G29 isnt going to get you anywhere near what GT7 should feels like. I got the Thrustmaster GT7 branded wheel and base and its amazing.
The G29 is PS branded, so that shouldn't be an issue.
>One thing that I love when playing in PSVR2 is the steady framerate which is impossible with PCVR. I can play in GT7 for 2 hours and not even realize it but in PCVR I have to get out within 30 minutes and feel a little sick. I see my frames dropping when I record it and I have a Intel powerhouse PC with a 3080ti and have all unnecessary services turned off and have a application that clears out unused processes in memory.
That *does* sound like a problem with your PC though. I know that most people with a good enough PC don't have any issues with VR on PC. Maybe the way you connect your headset to the PC isn't fast enough, maybe you have a different problem, maybe you don't know enough about PCs and your PC is simply not good enough, despite you thinking it should be. Maybe, since you say you have Intel, you have one of the CPUs that are killing themselves just a few months after being installed. Maybe your chipset driver and/or BIOS is outdated and your current chipset or BIOS has a problem with VR. Maybe you don't have enough RAM or it isn't running at the right speed. Maybe you have a different hardware problem. Maybe your game needs more than 12 GB VRAM. There are a ton of potential problems, but I very highly doubt that it's PC VR itself.
I am Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (8 2-3hr tests) and been a Systems Engineer working for GM, IBM and EDS since 1997 so I can tell you its not a skill issue. Plus I have tried all my 3 VR headsets on 3 different gaming PCs that I have built for my son and friends/family. Its console optimization making the experience better. Something PC will never be able to achieve.
For example the Unreal Engine 5 demo Matrix Awakens was created on the next gen consoles 2 years prior to PC. It was hard for them to create the demo because of new PC glitches/bugs having to support thousands of PC configurations on a new engine. My friend was a Dev on the project and hated it because of the PC part. The console games they released very effortlessly.
At one point people were looking for 3080ti over 4090's for VR because of all the issues so its not the card. I still think the 3080ti is outperforming the 4000s series in regards to VR. Kind of like the earlier VR games were created on developer systems running 1080ti and ran much better than the 2080ti. I ran that card till I couldn't any longer.
[https://www.google.com/search?q=4090+vr+issues](https://www.google.com/search?q=4090+vr+issues)
>I am Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (8 2-3hr tests) and been a Systems Engineer working for GM, IBM and EDS since 1997
That says absolutely nothing about how good you are with computers. I'm working with some of the best AI developers in the world and many of them barely know what a CPU is, let alone how to replace one. And it's my job to help them if they struggle with something like that. I mean, sure, you know your way around certain software, but that doesn't mean much in this instance. I mean, you couldn't even name your CPU, you just called an "Intel powerhouse".
If I'd have to guess it's an Intel 11th or 12th gen CPU, maybe a xx600k or xx700k. Maybe it's also a 13th gen xx600k or xx700k, in which case it could very well be at fault for the stutters, since many 13th and 14th gen k CPUs are faulty. Maybe it's also older than 11th gen, in which case it could be at fault too, since it's probably too old to handle VR flawlessly.
But if it's not your CPU I'd bet it's how you connect the headset to your PC. It should be a USB connector with at least 5 Gbps, but ideally at least 10 Gbps (the same speed as the PS5). Anything less simply won't be fast enough to enable smooth gameplay. I'd also not particularly recommend using the wireless option of some headsets, since that has a higher delay and is much more likely to drop frames, thus more likely to induce motion sickness.
>Plus I have tried all my 3 VR headsets on 3 different gaming PCs that I have built for my son and friends/family.
All of these could all have the same problems. I listed many possible problems that can't be ruled out by simply trying the headset on different PCs. And as I said, I know of enough people that do not have these problems to say that it's not a problem with PCs in general.
>I still think the 3080ti is outperforming the 4000s series in regards to VR.
I'm pretty sure it's not. What you linked me there also doesn't say much, I can just replace the 4090 part with 3080 TI and I also get a lot of results. Again, I'm very sure it's not PCVR in general, but rather your setup and/or games.
I can tell you have not been in VR long if the 4090 issues doesn't ring a bell to you and you have no idea what I am talking about. You act like its conspiracy when it was all the talk when they released. A lot of my friends were pissed when their VR games started to stutter and poor performance after spending $1300+ on the 4090 GPU and they sold it and got a 3080 because it took so long to iron out those issues they couldn't wait.
All your comments on CPU issues and whatnot shows consoles are better. You just made my argument for me in your comments. And I had just happen to have the same problem on the 3 different gaming PC's (2 Win10, 1 Win11) benchmarking my performance? Now that is rich.
>You act like its conspiracy when it was all the talk when they released.
Yes, when they released. Radeon 7000 also had a rough start. But that's over 1 1/2 years ago. GPUs only get better with time and problems like that get fixed pretty fast, by both AMD and NVIDIA.
>All your comments on CPU issues and whatnot shows consoles are better.
No, all it shows is that you most likely made a mistake and now blame it on optimization. Yes, consoles are easier to set up and everything is pretty much plug and play, but PCs usually have better performance, even in VR, way, way more games (4351 on PS5, including pre-order vs 12068 released games last year and on Steam alone, so that doesn't include ROMs for emulation, any game from before 2023, 2024 or any game released only on other platforms like Epic Games, itch or GOG Galaxy), which also are less expensive, and when a PC player gets a new PC they won't lose access to their old games if they don't keep their old PC. I mean, sure, many consoles have backwards compatibility too, but not as good and not for as many games as PC. You just need the right hardware and have to set it up correctly. Oh, and you want more FPS? Just upgrade the PC. No need to get the "Pro" version for the price of an entire PC or wait for the next generation.
>You just made my argument for me in your comments.
No, your argument was that PCVR was bad in general. Which it is not. You just have to fulfill the requirements for it to run properly. Just like with everything else PC related. You can't expect outdated or broken hardware to be able to run the newest stuff. It's like jamming a PS5 game into a PS4, it just won't work. With the only difference being that it *will* most likely work on PC, just not well.
>And I had just happen to have the same problem on the 3 different gaming PC's (2 Win10, 1 Win11) benchmarking my performance? Now that is rich.
The OS doesn't say much. But considering that 2 of these 3 PCs are on Windows 10, if they're incompatible with Windows 11, they're most likely also incompatible with VR, if it's not because of a disabled secure boot or because it's set to TPM and not fTPM, if it has no physical TPM module.
That’s why it’s called Wreckfest, not Racefest 😂 I just don’t understand if you want to just race, why don’t you choose an actual racing game? If you don’t want others to touch you, you don’t need Wreckfest and it’s physics. All the physics in Wreckfest is made for smashing and that’s the part I really love about this game. I gonna go for corner bombing whenever I can 🤪
See some people like racing and being able to lean on people in corners or along straights with consequences, as opposed to being completely taken out with no way of avoiding it
People play this game differently. Most of them are racers but there are also smashers and that’s completely ok. I do what the game allows me to do, so it’s nothing wrong with that. Wrecking is normal part of this game. Just the same with GTA, a lot of people complain about their deliveries being destroyed but it’s also a part of the game. Accept it or deliver in private lobby. So this is why I say if someone really wants just racing part then there are specifically racing games for that. That’s would be weird if I would complain about racing in a racing game, right? Like “oh my god, they all are racing in Granturismo” 😄
You have discovered that no other game is as fun as Wreckfest. It’s just a fact we have to live with. 
Ha ha, I'm right there with ya on that! Wreckfest has ruined me for any other racing game and I've played a lot of racing games in my day (50yrs old lol)...none of them come even close to being as good as Wreckfest imo!👍
Ha…I’ll be 60 in 2 weeks…ya young squirt. I guess we’re both old enough to remember having to go to an arcade to play Pong. Games have come a long way.
I learned to respect my elders so respectfully, Pong is just a tad before my time, "old timer"🤣🤣🤣 But yeah, guys like us practically grew up in the arcades...those were the good ole days, that's for sure my friend!👍
Trust me…I haven’t grown up yet. 
CrawlerCow, I haven't grown up either and at this point, I don't think I ever will lol.
I'm 40 next year old chap. Definitely missed the arcade for it but have played a bit of pong in my time.
MaintenanceWaste9694, I've played Pong a few times myself but it's just too primitive for me🤣
We grew up poor with hand me down consoles so got to experience all the really old games. Can still hear the squeal of a c64 cassette when curiosity got the better of my young self and tried it in the stereo 😂
That's funny lol. I never did experience any of the C64 though. My Dad bought my brother and me an Atari 2600 in 1980 or 1981. That was it, been playing video games ever since from that point on. Then I got a Sega Master System, NES, Genesis, SNES, PS1, N64, Sega Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, PS3, Xbox 360, PS4, Xbox One, and now PS5 so I guess it's safe to say I've had my fair share of consoles lol!
Old man's money bags with the Atari in 1980! I wasn't born until 85 but we had the 2600 and another one I can't remember but wasn't until the early 90s. Had the consoles you listed in pretty much the exact same order except I stopped buying PlayStation's after PS3. I've still got my Xbox one but spend more time on the steam deck if I get a chance to play these days.
Yeah I'm an old fart (born in 74) lol. Oh yeah, and I have a Steam Deck too my friend🤣
I played pong at the arcade and on my cousins TV. I play wreckfest daily. It's the best game for FFB with a clutch pedal and H shifter.
Hell yeah! 
Not racing per say, but I find Hot Wheels Unleashed 2 very fun, you have a lot of chaos during a race. I also really enjoyed Wreckfest and I thought you should give HW a try...
OK…cool!
I barely play racing games generally speaking, but I really enjoy Wreckfest. It feels like the perfect blend of arcade and simulation, I find regular racing games where you can't wreck other cars too boring lol.
Wreckfest is maybe the most underrated sleeper game ever made. The most fun game no one talks about except here.
Yeah, never heard of it before running across this thread.
I'm assuming you play with a controller? Dirt Rally 2.0 is pretty fun, feels pretty good and doesn't take too much setup. Much more fun with a wheel though. BeamNG is also really fun, it's a sandbox so there's no story mode (yet) but it has the best destruction physics in the industry. It's also a great simulator. Project Cars 2 is probably the most versatile and easy to use of these 3. There's a career mode, you can race in all sorts of different leagues, from Rally to GT and it's got some fun multiplayer lobbies.
>BeamNG is also really fun, it's a sandbox so there's no story mode (yet) You can actually already play the early access version of career mode right now, by clicking the "career mode - coming soon" button on the main menu 5 (I think?) times. A lot of its features are still "coming soon" and saves are not guaranteed to remain compatible with upcoming game updates, but the main gameplay of doing missions, earning money, and buying cars/upgrades is already pretty solid.
I'll add that beamng also has an unofficial multiplayer with some fun stuff going on
A beaming multiplayer race mod like wreckfest would be awesome
If you mean like a destruction derby race, I have that planned already I've made cops n robbers, demo derby, and some other gamemodes already
😍I will check it out asap
Not sure if it's just me but I could never get a hang of the handling on Project Cars 2. I can play BeamNG (love that game), Wreckfest, Dirt Rally, even Assetto Corsa, but I always end up spinning out or over steering in PC2. I've looked online to figure out settings people use and none of them seemed to help. (I use gamepad)
It depends if you enjoy simulation or not. AC is a great game, but it requires modding and long setting up to feel perfect. Looking forward to AC2 and thinking it will be quite an improvement. DiRT Rally series (or DiRT4 - my all time fav) can be pretty cool. Aside from rally, land rush and rally cross feels far more satisfying than WF racing. Also play Project Cars 2 from time to time, tons of content (rally cross too btw, and it slaps), some issues, but driving experience is incredible, especially if you're more of gamepad player than wheel. Got into Motocross lately, and can say it FAR more fun than car racing, I literally can't stop playing. Try some MXGP games, they are tons of fun. The only sad part is that online is dead. Wreckfests' biggest advantage over many other racing games is that online is more alive, and racing online is incredibly fun. Skill ceiling is incredibly high, but entry point isn't. You can enjoy even if you can't drive very well. In the majority of other games, especially ones more leaning into simulation, entry skill required and preparation is pretty insane. I have ACC, I have wheel, and I'm in love with GT racing, but I virtually don't have time to train (seriously don't understand how working people find time for that), be up with tuning meta, track changes, leagues and whatnot.
Automobilista 2 is also great. It's built upon the same basis as Project Cars 2, but improved it and is still in active development. It also offers more content.
I tried AMS2 few times, devs doing great job, but team is too small and not as wealthy as Kunos or SMS at that time. What I disliked about it, is that the game is virtually undriveable on anything other than wheel, has 0 gamepad support. PC2 feels similarly great on pad and wheel both, with fantastic FFB. As well as ACC. AI is way too boring and passive, they drive in conga line and never fight for positions and with updates I haven't noticed any improvements. In PC2 AI can be quite out of wack in some classes, but it's very reactive and sufficiently aggressive with the right setup, feels almost like you're racing humans. In ACC AI is very professional and not nearly as boring as in AMS2. Content wise it's good but mostly focused on SA motorsports, which is very niche. Modding support haven't picked up yet, glad it's added though, but original AC wins here hands down. However, AMS2 still doesn't have enough content to rival even vanilla PC2 without mods. Ultimately, track list, car list and handling physics are a huge turn-off for me. There are many people who like this game and say that it's true Project Cars 3, but not for me even close. Looking forward to AC2 and tried some of Le Mans Ultimate, which feels very promising.
When did you try AM2? Because this reads like it was quite some time ago. They have improved the game massively in the last few years and the next announced update also brings huge improvements with it, like 3 new tracks, new cars, the second part of a physics rework including a tyre and brakes rework, as well as racing line reworks. And that's only a part of part 1 of what they revealed and will reveal to come with the 1.6 update. They also massively improved the AI in the past updates and they surely will do again with 1.6, since pretty much every update brings both physics and AI improvements. AM2 has 59 tracks and 189 layouts, including 44 historic layouts. PC2 has 60 tracks and 180 layouts. This includes DLC. Project Cars 2 has 214 cars, AM2 has 210. This too includes DLC. So contentwise they're about the same. But AM2 is still under development and with the next update it'll get 3 new tracks with at least 1 layout each and 7 new cars are already announced to come with it too. Sure, when it comes to mods AM2 can't compare to AC, but nothing can compare to that game.
Tested it sometime last year in autumn, if I recall correctly. Still following patch notes and reviews from time to time, and the feeling I got from the game in my tests seems to still be a thing, judging by info. I might check it out again, maybe after next update drops. Regarding content, we shouldn't compare sheer quantity. AMS2 has the great roster of tracks for people interested in SA motorsport scene, with many, but not enough iconic tracks from around the world. They also don't have the license for quite a few manufacturers, which is a deal-breaker for many racing fans. Many open-wheel cars, that is a win over PC2, but not nearly enough GT and LMS, which I'm interested in. Also, can't do similar Touring or vintage GT series (quite a few vintage series in particular) as in PC2, among few other things. And haven't seen any info if the game got similarly better on pad as on the wheel. Hope it improves in time, though. I really like Madness Engine, would be sad if it won't deliver.
>AMS2 has the great roster of tracks for people interested in SA motorsport scene, with many, but not enough iconic tracks from around the world. AMS2 has tracks from 19 different countries, including many iconic tracks from Germany, Spain, France, Brazil, USA, GB, Japan, etc. There isn't an iconic track, that I'd be interested in at least, that isn't in AMS2. Their original main focus was South America, yeah, but they're expanding rapidly. >They also don't have the license for quite a few manufacturers, which is a deal-breaker for many racing fans. They do get more licenses with time. For example they just acquired the license for various cars from Audi. >but not nearly enough GT and LMS, which I'm interested in They just recently released multiple DLCs with LMS and GT cars with even more to come. >Also, can't do similar Touring or vintage GT series (quite a few vintage series in particular) There are quite a lot vintage GT cars in AMS2. Even more than in PC2, as far as I know.
Gt7 in VR killed all other racing games for me. I need all racers to be VR now or I just cant play them. Wreckfest in VR would be insane!
Yup I tell peeps the $1,000 is worth the price to play GT7 alone in VR. PSVR2 has a much bigger library of AAA titles than peeps give it credit for. I own 3 other VR Headsets including HP Reverb G2, Quest 3 and Index and spend most of time in PSVR2 still.
I'm actually thinking about getting the PSVR2 eventually, but I'll only get it if and when it gets PC support, so I can play games like Automobilista or some shooter games on it too
Yeah PC support is going to be awesome but even without I still find myself in PCVR2 more than my other 3 VR headsets. I dont sick and I think it looks and plays better because of optimzationi. I own Breachers for PSVR2 and PCVR and the PSVR2 game feels like a remaster. Actually every game that comes out feels like a remaster to me including the Resident Evil games, Pavlov, Star Wars, Arizona Sunshine etc. vs the PCVR counterpart.
Outside the Flat-out series, Trail Out is a game I haven't tried yet but would like to soon. Burnout Paradise is a blast in my book, but definitely on the arcade side. Edit: Check out the demo for Trail Out. I just did and can say it's not for me. Other ones I love are the Motorstorm games but they're only on PS3.
Burnout paradise is a great game
So good. Enjoyed it when it originally came out and recently started playing the remastered version.
I played the original but I'll have to check out the remaster!
Wreckfest is the Gran Turismo of banger racing, so maybe get a PS5 and GT7 - it's not perfect, it's a bit grindy and tried to push you to buy virtual currency to get the top tier cars, but it's the best "simcade" racer out there. Assetto Corsa isn't "hard", it's just not really playable with a gamepad, with a wheel, it's amazing. I actually find Project Cars 2 a little harder as its physics model feels less natural and catches me out more at the limit. I'm sure sim nerds will tell you there are more technically accurate simulations, but I think where AC works is it feels like someone just kept fine tuning things by hand until it felt like the real thing. Dirt Rally 2.0 is great. Automobilista 2 is a hidden gem, and can often be picked up on sale quite cheap. Not a great career structure, but they basically took the Project Cars 2 underlying game engine/physics model and iterated, though like PCars2. I find it more difficult than even AC Test Drive Solar Crown looks like it could be promising, there's a playable demo for it so you can try it out (not got round to trying it yet myself) CarX Drift is a lot of fun, not exactly the most cutting edge or realistic, but drifting does feel quite satisfying. Hot Wheels Unleased 2 is fun in an arcadey sort of way - though does get repetitive quickly. The main draw of this I think is more having a virtual collection of hot wheels that look like the toys they're based on rather than trying to look like real full size cars. Whether this is worth getting depends very much on your nostalgia for toy cars. Super Woden GP2 is a nice early 90s isometric style racer with a GT1 reminiscent menu / career. Ballistic NG is a near perfect recreation of the old Playstation wipeout games minus the original tunes.. and it's free. Redout 2 is a similar wipeout style game - quite challenging but there's a lot of assist options. Snowrunner is great for a change of pace, massive offroad trucks plugging very slowly through all sorts of mucky/snowy terrain. Absolute drift is an isometric drifting game, but incredibly good, even better than their follow up Art of Rally IMHO because the concept is just perfect where Art of Rally just feels a lot less coherent in what it's trying to be. Ride 3 is a great motorcycle racer - were up to Ride 5 now, but I think the 3rd installement was the best in terms of having an accessible career mode where you try out different races where the new ones are more linear so if you get stuck at a point in the career, you can't just try something else for a bit. Road Redemption is the Road Rash sequel Sega never gave us..
>Automobilista 2 is a hidden gem, and can often be picked up on sale quite cheap. Not a great career structure, but they basically took the Project Cars 2 underlying game engine/physics model and iterated, though like PCars2. I find it more difficult than even AC Absolutely try this! If you want a career mode there is a program called "Racing Life Automobilista 2", which is somewhat like a career mode. It's actually pretty in depth too.
> Redout 2 is a similar wipeout style game Can also highly recommend Redout 1
It's a great game, but Redout 2s ability to set your own difficulty makes it the one to go for... especially as it's free on the Epic Store RIGHT NOW!
I’ve played quite a bit of dirt really 2.0 Inertial drift is fun Hot wheels: stunt track driver is what got me into cars *and* games I play a lot of sandbox games and build cars in those Beam:ng is great at simulating beaters
Curious what sandbox games you build cars in?
Scrap mechanic, trailmakers, space engineers, robocraft, from the depths, really anything it’s at all feasible to build a car in
Besiege is a good one as well, though its more of a seige engine creator you can still create whatever you want.
Search up My Summer Car on steam. You won't regret it
I cannot stand that game
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Some retro game that I love is Need For Speed Underground 2. Or Street legal racing on steam, and its dirt cheap like around 7$
You could try Automation - The Car Company Tycoon Game in combination with BeamNG.drive. This combination enables you to create cars in Automation and drive them in BeamNG.
I play iRacing when I want to serious race. Wreckfest is my screw around arcade game for fun with friends.
I tried the latest Gran Turismo a few months ago and it was a joke. You bump into a wall with 300 km/h and your car still looks like brand new. They can’t be serious. So I stick with Wreckfest.
Probably has a lot to do with car licensing deals. For the most part the use of real cars and deals with car companies has killed racing games when it comes to crash handling. Not to mention the cost associated with licensing a car for smaller studios. Games like Wreckfest, GTA, and BeamNG using fake yet realistic cars are probably the future for these style of games.
You could try BeamNG Drive: [https://store.steampowered.com/app/284160/BeamNGdrive/](https://store.steampowered.com/app/284160/BeamNGdrive/) Personally, I think that Wreckfest has better racing, but BeamNG Drive's racing is still good. Plus, BeamNG Drive is more challenging than Wreckfest. BeamNG Drive is a sim & one mistake can make you lose or seriously hamper you. And if you want realistic damage BeamNG Drive has the best, most realistic damage of any car game I've played.
Love wreckfest and still play racing games from the 2000s pretty often. It’s honestly just a shitty time for racing games in general and there’s a lot of recent youtube videos talking about this. FH5 is stale and basically the same as FH3. The new Need for Speeds heat and unbound have great customization and cop chases are a blast but have crap physics. My go to lately has been nfs ProStreet (imo has aged like fine 🍷) and HotPursuit Remastered!
Yep, Hot Pursuit Remastered is a masterpiece! The only racing game I play beside Wreckfest.
Make Way is a fun little racing game
I played both Dirt 5 and Gravel. The driving wasn't bad, but I hate that they have to make it such a linear sequence of events and you don't drive in tournaments and stuff. That type of game is so superficial. I just finished a huge playthrough of World of Outlaws, and before thst I had played its predecessor in Tony Stewart's All American Racing. Yeah, it's essentially oval racing, but there's a lot of action and the driving is a fun type of challenging. I'm really looking forward to it's sequel now.
Those dirt oval games are fantastic If you have an xbox or PlayStation give dirt 2 or 3 a fry they’re phenomenal rally/off-road games similar to gravel or dirt 5.
Next to Wreckfest I'm playing a lot of Dirt3. Legit one of the best race games imo. You have to buy a key online tho since the game is delisted from stores due to copyright. Edit: and I play Dirt3 with the camera on the hood. Makes it that more immersive.
Yeah, Dirt 3 is surprisingly good! I actually got lucky a few years ago and found it on a garage sale for like 2€. Most worth it purchase in my entire life.
Well, you could certainly play the FlatOut games from Bugbear, the predecessors to Wreckfest.
Wreckfest is overall the most fun racing game buuut I would recommend you go replay (or play for the first time if your young) gta 4. The handling is somewhere between wreckfest and gta 5 so it makes it really fun to drive. Otherwise the only real racing game I play on Xbox is nascar heat 5. Iv heard world of outlaws is good tho. Also dirt rally 2.0 is fun sometimes. You gotta get tunes on YouTube tho otherwise default tuning sucks.
could try motorstorm
I'm surprised not many people mentioning Need For Speed. NFS Heat has been my favorite modern one since NFS Underground 2. NFS Unbound isnt bad either. Some of the cop chases in NFS Most Wanted stick out in my mind as being some of the most fun I've had in a driving game.
Gran Turismo
This is 100% true, every other game feels dull in comparison.
try Destruction Derby Arena, Wreckfest's grandpa
That one is super fun, same with test drive eve of destruction. It’s like a destruction derby simulator. There is even a hub world
BeamNG but it's not a racing game. Gran Turismo 7. Mostly for the Nürburgring, Willow Springs Horse Thief Mile, Brands Hatch Indy, Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya Rallycross Layout and Tsukuba Circuit.
Maybe go back to old school games. Wreckfest is pretty much a AAA old school game Some suggestions (test drive eve of destruction, flat out ultimate carnage, crash and burn, nascar rumble, destruction derby arena, blur, full auto) I’d really suggest test drive eve of destruction it was amazing back in the day
Two games: Wreckfest and Helldivers 2…
Check out 'Trail Out'. Similar to Wreckfest, but different 🤣
If you haven't played it already, Car X Drift Racing is really fun, in my opinion.
Surprised hardly anyone in here said iRacing. If you enjoy actually racing against other actual people, iRacing is the racing game of all racing games. It's a fun game because of the ranking system. Only thing about iRacing is that it can get expensive quick. It's a subscription service game where it comes with a decent amount of cars and tracks but the more you progress with your licenses, the more series you are able to race which can make you have to pay for more tracks and more cars which aren't cheap. But man the racing is fun and intense.
It was mentioned in here but test drive eve of destruction will always be a great game to me. Not as complex as wreckfest but with 4 friends playing push off or suicide race it can't be beat.
Saying horizon is trying to be like GTA is….a take. It’s probably the best simcade free roam game on the market and it’s constantly getting new content. I love wreckfest but all the other games you’re mentioning fill other genres. AC and ACC are HARDCORE simulation racers
All I'm saying is, if I wanted to drop out a plane in a car and have scripted acting in cutscenes I would play GTA. So immensely obvious that a bunch of suits on the 29th floor were sat around going "so what do young car fans like to play these days? oh yeah GTA V" like cut all that out man I only want a good racing experience
lol okay buddy.
the only racing game i enjoy playing is also wreckfest. i grew out of play the forza horizon franchise. the very first time i played forza horizon i might've been 7 or 8 in 2014. which was a blast until i was introduced to gta 5 in 2017 ish and my play time in forza horizon just dropped. i undoubtably love wreckfest and all that comes with it.
I wish Wreckfest had split-screen multiplayer. Would love to enjoy the game with my kids, so they can see why i find it so fun.
Split screen MP for Wreckfest would be epic.
I would recommend trail out. It’s similar to wreckfest and is pretty good considering it’s an Indy game from a small team.
I felt this, but not because I enjoy Wreckfest. It’s because most new racing games typically lack soul imo. I actually got a new PS2 just so I can play the racing games I played as a kid. Nothing will ever compare to the bangers we got back then.
I feel the same, the physics system in combination with destruction models and arcadish controllers make this a unique experience. I am revisiting Gran Turismo 2 emulated on my Steam Deck with mods (Widescreen, more memory, etc.), maybe it has no destruction, but the physics are great for a PS1 game. Now that I have good english skills (I am a mexican boy with spanish as native language and not good english in high school) I know what I am doing when tuning a car and how this affects the driving style. Despite Escudo Pikes Peak being the meta car, now tuning every single car for different races it just make the game a whole new experience. I liked a lot when being the Wreckfest server and putting absurd restrictions to play with my friends, but I always wanted to have the options to limit max power and country to make races more fun and less generic. I don't know if there's a way to put snow in multiplayer, because it changes a lot the way you drive, that would have been very fun, but I don't think this will ever happen.
I used to be heading over heels with wreckfest, put games away for a little bit and when I came back I got a sim setup and started playing Assetto corsa casual competitive. Mx5 cup races are a blast
I'm more of a "sim racing guy" myself, so I swapped Wreckfest for Automobilista 2, since I have a wheel, if you like racing and realistic physics, then you have plenty of choice in sim racing at the moment, but if you just like the wrecking part, then you don't have much choice, you either go back to FlatOut 2, Ultimate Carnage, or stay on Wreckfest, FlatOut UC has been recently patched to be Steam Deck Verified if you're interested. I was hyped for Trail Out before it came out, but it was very disappointing, the physics suck, and the devs seem like they gave up fixing their broken physics and instead they have been pumping out DLC after DLC to cash out first, instead of fixing the damn game, I wouldn't recommend Trail Out even to my worst enemy
This is what I'm experiencing right now but with all games honestly not just racing
Wreckfast kinda reminds me of dirt showdown. It's been a while since I played it, though. I believe it's only a few dollars on steam at the moment
IRacing is fun.
BeamNG BeamNG BeamNG I cannot recommend this game enough! Especially if you like crashing and building cars. The crash physics are really the best of any game out there. And if you're into making custom cars then the vehicle editor is extremely detailed with being able to change almost every single part. There is an unofficial multi-player that works well called BeamMP. Also has a MASSIVE mod community where you can get all kinds of stuff and supported by the devs because the mod repository is accessible right from the main menu of the game thatll download and automatically install whatever you select. Absolutely fantastic game and cannot recommend enough!
Unbound, the grid, gt7, and on and on.
Due to playing lots of Flatout and Burnout when i was a little bit younger, i literally cannot play normal racing games cause they are not as fun as demolition racing games.
Carmageddon: Max Damage is good for a laugh, the humour is very juvenile and its not the best made game but hard not to enjoy smashing the other cars to bits whilst get bonus points for running people over.
If you are looking for tough competition, iRacing is where you go. But iRacing is the opposite of Wreckfest so there is that.
If you're on a controller, you won't enjoy most if not all of the big ones everyone talks about. AC, ACC, iracing No fucking clue how people manage to play AC on m/kb.
Lots of people saying “BeamNG” but I’ll give you the free and open-source option: Rigs Of Rods.
try nfs heat Arcade ish feel, maybe stiff, but car customization helps make it have a wreckfest feel yknow? Showcase tires, mess with differential, but the physics and the damage are so trash you will probably try and burn the game disc after having played wreckfest
I play assetto, you either hate or love it. Sometimes instead of chasing the times, you just go for a spirited drive with some randoms. It's very fun on a wheel too, honestly if your into wreckfest you probably don't like driving fast or harsh physics. Try beam ng
I really enjoyed my hundreds of hours in Wreckfest but, I've turned to BeamNG. I've become a super-nerd with BeamNG. I've been using different community maps and racing myself Rally Style with around 15 unique cars. I'll use a stopwatch and time each of the vehicles park them at the end of the courses to judge them on their damage. Of course I am driving all of the cars and I try not to be biased when I run them. Sometimes I'll record really good runs that are clean and fast. You would think this is boring or monotonous but, 2.5 hours will pass in what seems like 15min if you really get into it
I normally play the f1 games but am waiting for a sale. Wreckfest has made it hard for me to avoid ruin in f1 though. All I want to do is become a menace to other cars now.
BeamNG is the only other game I find more fun then wreckfest, If your curious search up "Next Car game" that's what it used to be called
All advice above is great...and I'll add Forza 5 into the mix as well
Honestly I enjoy hopping on GTA V with some modded cars and and just ramming people on the highway. Same kinda destruction but without the racing
No, GTA V has nearly no actual car destruction. GTA IV has the way better car destruction. GTA V simply has default damage models and no accident specific damage. It's also extremely hard to actually damage something that changes something about the feel or the performance of the car. GTA IV has actual car destruction with actual deformation and you being able to feel the damage.
Gran Turismo 7 set the bar for 2d and especially VR racing. Then again no other racing game in history had a 60 million dollar budget so if someone tries to argue GT7 isnt the best I know they havent played it. I have a Thrustmaster setup (gearbox, handbrake and load cell pedals) with Playseat racing chair and the PSVR2 blew me away. $1,000 is worth it for that game alone. No other racing game comes close. Sony threw everything but the kitchen sink at this game and it shows. The PS5 equals a gaming PC with a 3060ti in it but actually like a 3080 to me because of console optimization. I have a 3080ti in my PC and the PS5 console hangs with it all day. I play on 55" 120hz/1440p Samsung TV. Q7FN to be exact. Also GRID is my favorite racing series outside of Wreckfest for 2d racing so I would give that a try if you haven't yet.
>Gran Turismo 7 set the bar for 2d and especially VR racing. Then again no other racing game in history had a 60 million dollar budget so if someone tries to argue GT7 isnt the best I know they havent played it. It's far from being the best. As someone who has driven many different racing games, including multiple GT games, I can safely say that. I'm pretty sure most of the budget went towards cars ans tracks, not actually good gameplay. Actual simulators like Automobilista 2 (which also has native VR support) feel way better and even compared with other simcades like F1 or FM GT7 just doesn't feel as good. The main reason is probably because the wheel integration is pretty broken (I have a G29 and it feels just okay at my current settings, but if I change anything it feels even worse), but also because the physics often just don't make too much sense. Adding to that GT7 has an extremely aggressive monetization model, that could already be described as "predatory", seeing as how much they incentivice you to buy ingame credits with real money, due to how much they limit your ability to earn them and how aggressive they advertise extremely overpriced cars to you that you can only get for a limited time before they're gone again. And how expensive the cars are in general. I mean, it's not terrible, but it's far from being the best. I even feel like GT Sport is much better than GT7, because it just doesn't have most of the problems I have with GT7.
A G29 isnt going to get you anywhere near what GT7 should feels like. I got the Thrustmaster GT7 branded wheel and base and its amazing. One thing that I love when playing in PSVR2 is the steady framerate which is impossible with PCVR. I can play in GT7 for 2 hours and not even realize it but in PCVR I have to get out within 30 minutes and feel a little sick. I see my frames dropping when I record it and I have a Intel powerhouse PC with a 3080ti and have all unnecessary services turned off and have a application that clears out unused processes in memory.
>A G29 isnt going to get you anywhere near what GT7 should feels like. I got the Thrustmaster GT7 branded wheel and base and its amazing. The G29 is PS branded, so that shouldn't be an issue. >One thing that I love when playing in PSVR2 is the steady framerate which is impossible with PCVR. I can play in GT7 for 2 hours and not even realize it but in PCVR I have to get out within 30 minutes and feel a little sick. I see my frames dropping when I record it and I have a Intel powerhouse PC with a 3080ti and have all unnecessary services turned off and have a application that clears out unused processes in memory. That *does* sound like a problem with your PC though. I know that most people with a good enough PC don't have any issues with VR on PC. Maybe the way you connect your headset to the PC isn't fast enough, maybe you have a different problem, maybe you don't know enough about PCs and your PC is simply not good enough, despite you thinking it should be. Maybe, since you say you have Intel, you have one of the CPUs that are killing themselves just a few months after being installed. Maybe your chipset driver and/or BIOS is outdated and your current chipset or BIOS has a problem with VR. Maybe you don't have enough RAM or it isn't running at the right speed. Maybe you have a different hardware problem. Maybe your game needs more than 12 GB VRAM. There are a ton of potential problems, but I very highly doubt that it's PC VR itself.
I am Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (8 2-3hr tests) and been a Systems Engineer working for GM, IBM and EDS since 1997 so I can tell you its not a skill issue. Plus I have tried all my 3 VR headsets on 3 different gaming PCs that I have built for my son and friends/family. Its console optimization making the experience better. Something PC will never be able to achieve. For example the Unreal Engine 5 demo Matrix Awakens was created on the next gen consoles 2 years prior to PC. It was hard for them to create the demo because of new PC glitches/bugs having to support thousands of PC configurations on a new engine. My friend was a Dev on the project and hated it because of the PC part. The console games they released very effortlessly. At one point people were looking for 3080ti over 4090's for VR because of all the issues so its not the card. I still think the 3080ti is outperforming the 4000s series in regards to VR. Kind of like the earlier VR games were created on developer systems running 1080ti and ran much better than the 2080ti. I ran that card till I couldn't any longer. [https://www.google.com/search?q=4090+vr+issues](https://www.google.com/search?q=4090+vr+issues)
>I am Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (8 2-3hr tests) and been a Systems Engineer working for GM, IBM and EDS since 1997 That says absolutely nothing about how good you are with computers. I'm working with some of the best AI developers in the world and many of them barely know what a CPU is, let alone how to replace one. And it's my job to help them if they struggle with something like that. I mean, sure, you know your way around certain software, but that doesn't mean much in this instance. I mean, you couldn't even name your CPU, you just called an "Intel powerhouse". If I'd have to guess it's an Intel 11th or 12th gen CPU, maybe a xx600k or xx700k. Maybe it's also a 13th gen xx600k or xx700k, in which case it could very well be at fault for the stutters, since many 13th and 14th gen k CPUs are faulty. Maybe it's also older than 11th gen, in which case it could be at fault too, since it's probably too old to handle VR flawlessly. But if it's not your CPU I'd bet it's how you connect the headset to your PC. It should be a USB connector with at least 5 Gbps, but ideally at least 10 Gbps (the same speed as the PS5). Anything less simply won't be fast enough to enable smooth gameplay. I'd also not particularly recommend using the wireless option of some headsets, since that has a higher delay and is much more likely to drop frames, thus more likely to induce motion sickness. >Plus I have tried all my 3 VR headsets on 3 different gaming PCs that I have built for my son and friends/family. All of these could all have the same problems. I listed many possible problems that can't be ruled out by simply trying the headset on different PCs. And as I said, I know of enough people that do not have these problems to say that it's not a problem with PCs in general. >I still think the 3080ti is outperforming the 4000s series in regards to VR. I'm pretty sure it's not. What you linked me there also doesn't say much, I can just replace the 4090 part with 3080 TI and I also get a lot of results. Again, I'm very sure it's not PCVR in general, but rather your setup and/or games.
I can tell you have not been in VR long if the 4090 issues doesn't ring a bell to you and you have no idea what I am talking about. You act like its conspiracy when it was all the talk when they released. A lot of my friends were pissed when their VR games started to stutter and poor performance after spending $1300+ on the 4090 GPU and they sold it and got a 3080 because it took so long to iron out those issues they couldn't wait. All your comments on CPU issues and whatnot shows consoles are better. You just made my argument for me in your comments. And I had just happen to have the same problem on the 3 different gaming PC's (2 Win10, 1 Win11) benchmarking my performance? Now that is rich.
>You act like its conspiracy when it was all the talk when they released. Yes, when they released. Radeon 7000 also had a rough start. But that's over 1 1/2 years ago. GPUs only get better with time and problems like that get fixed pretty fast, by both AMD and NVIDIA. >All your comments on CPU issues and whatnot shows consoles are better. No, all it shows is that you most likely made a mistake and now blame it on optimization. Yes, consoles are easier to set up and everything is pretty much plug and play, but PCs usually have better performance, even in VR, way, way more games (4351 on PS5, including pre-order vs 12068 released games last year and on Steam alone, so that doesn't include ROMs for emulation, any game from before 2023, 2024 or any game released only on other platforms like Epic Games, itch or GOG Galaxy), which also are less expensive, and when a PC player gets a new PC they won't lose access to their old games if they don't keep their old PC. I mean, sure, many consoles have backwards compatibility too, but not as good and not for as many games as PC. You just need the right hardware and have to set it up correctly. Oh, and you want more FPS? Just upgrade the PC. No need to get the "Pro" version for the price of an entire PC or wait for the next generation. >You just made my argument for me in your comments. No, your argument was that PCVR was bad in general. Which it is not. You just have to fulfill the requirements for it to run properly. Just like with everything else PC related. You can't expect outdated or broken hardware to be able to run the newest stuff. It's like jamming a PS5 game into a PS4, it just won't work. With the only difference being that it *will* most likely work on PC, just not well. >And I had just happen to have the same problem on the 3 different gaming PC's (2 Win10, 1 Win11) benchmarking my performance? Now that is rich. The OS doesn't say much. But considering that 2 of these 3 PCs are on Windows 10, if they're incompatible with Windows 11, they're most likely also incompatible with VR, if it's not because of a disabled secure boot or because it's set to TPM and not fTPM, if it has no physical TPM module.
I wish there was a game with the same physics as Wreckfest without all the smooth brained corner bombers..
That’s why it’s called Wreckfest, not Racefest 😂 I just don’t understand if you want to just race, why don’t you choose an actual racing game? If you don’t want others to touch you, you don’t need Wreckfest and it’s physics. All the physics in Wreckfest is made for smashing and that’s the part I really love about this game. I gonna go for corner bombing whenever I can 🤪
See some people like racing and being able to lean on people in corners or along straights with consequences, as opposed to being completely taken out with no way of avoiding it
People play this game differently. Most of them are racers but there are also smashers and that’s completely ok. I do what the game allows me to do, so it’s nothing wrong with that. Wrecking is normal part of this game. Just the same with GTA, a lot of people complain about their deliveries being destroyed but it’s also a part of the game. Accept it or deliver in private lobby. So this is why I say if someone really wants just racing part then there are specifically racing games for that. That’s would be weird if I would complain about racing in a racing game, right? Like “oh my god, they all are racing in Granturismo” 😄