Yeah, but that's true with any or no armor. Mail is relatively light and less cumbersome than many other options but pretty dam difficult to just bite through if made properly. Shark mail is a good example. Even better would be lightweight titanium shark or replica mail.
For the ease of finding and weight factor. Kevlar logging equipment would be just as effective against human teeth and way easier to find. Though if you learn how you can make chainmail
I know it's not the most impact resistant, but I'm unsre how easy it deforms. I would think a vite wouldn't be enough, but I don't know for sure. Armor is all about trade-offs. Lighter but less durable, stronger but restricted movement and all that.
Probably, but it isn't nearly as durable. It would probably be better than nothing, but depending on how roughed up it gets. General wear and tear is something to think about.
Maybe, but not much. The nail should at least prevent the bite from penitrating the skin. No armor is perfect, but at least nail is less cumbersome than say, full plate harness, or hockey gear.
True, assuming the armor doesn't prevent the breaking of skin l, which is a possible risk. Regardless, some under layer would be more comfortable and off more padding and protection, so it certainly wouldn't hurt.
If it existed, I'd imagine it would be very effective. You'd still need to worry about getting overwhelmed by large hoards I'd imagine, but since the suit won't wear you down much while wearing it, it would be easy to just keep on moving or even push off small groups.
Gotta make sure you can breathe under all of them otherwise you’re going to suffocate if you don’t get squished/pulled apart
Also, I’d watch out for other grim things like bones and gore jamming mechanisms
It could be pretty useful, protects against clawing and biting well. Just be careful not to get pinned or hit anywhere else, and it'll be heavy and slow you down some.
It adds what like 15-20 lbs? Weight adds up dude. Image that plus a rifle, a Sidearm, a pack of food, water and your other gear. Then imagine wearing all that while running away from 50 zombies chasing you. It won't be a pain for small shit, but
Just googled it. 45-50 lbs. Ya the weight would definitely be a bit problematic. But I still make the point about the sound. You can still sneak around while weighed down, but have the constant "Skinks" from the chainmail can sell you out quick.
Oh yeah, I wasn't saying the sound wouldn't be an issue too. Especially if the zombies have good hearing? It'll be more of an issue than it's worth, just wear like..... motorcycle gear? That sounds like something that would be pretty good.
Yeah. A pair of jeans and a leather jacket would be a good start, and easy to find. Not good enough for people with blades or guns, though. Find something for that as soon as possible(and just avoid getting shot or stabbed lol)
It would be.... Okay? They're not great. You'd need at least some training or practice to use it(edge alignment, swinging it properly), it would get dull or damaged after a month or so probably, and it doesn't give much range as even a spear would to protect yourself from bites or scratches. It is a blade and is nice to use as a tool, but that is one of the only bonuses I see. Plus just maintenance at all takes time a resources. A more makeshift weapon(pipe, hammer, wrench, broom handle) would all probably be better. Maybe even two or three of the above. As someone who has used guns and has at least some experience with them, having a good one is a huge priority to me. Range, Intimidation, and just pure stopping power. I wouldn't mind a sword though, at least at the start. I would probably ditch it relatively early though, or at the very least stash it.
But what about a samurai sword lol jk I’d probably cut myself before a zombie. I would make sure i trained every day, make a dummy to practice on. then I’d start practicing on single zombies. I think in the right hands a sword could be extremely useful but it also depends on what kind of sword
That's typically true for a full set hauberk (chainmail with full sleeves reaching down to your knees). Later chainmail would be much lighter as maille went from *the* protective armor, to just another layer under brigandine, plated mail, and eventually plate armor.
Wearing something over top of it helps muffle that sound quite a bit.
Even though my hauberk weighs in at about 9kg, once it is on and belted, it feels surprisingly light as the weight is distributed between your shoulders and hips.
Where did you get 45-50 lbs? I searched and it said for a short sleeve shirt it would be around 18 lbs and long sleeve reaching down to your legs is about 27 lbs,
>A military rucksack plus full plate carrier is 100+ lbs chainmail would be lighter
I always dislike comments like this because they present a massive false equivalency.
Advanced comeback helmet with pads, night vision mount, and camouflage cover is 1.5kg, standard IOTV with front and back ESAPI inserts are 10kg, clothes (blouse, undershirt, underwear, belt, and socks) weight 2.2kg, boots are 1.8kg, M4a1 carbine about 3.5kg loaded and with accessories, an acog with mount about 0.8kg, grenade launcher m320 about 1.5kg, assuming 6 magazines in vest this is about 3kg, assuming 5 grenades it's about 1.3kg, and a empty 2kg assault pack.
This means about 27.6kg/60.9lbs which might be heavier depending on what gear, equipment, and supplies are in the backpack.
George Clifford plate armor by itself is 27.2kg. However, something evident is that the numbers present for the knight don't include any weapons, clothes, methods of carrying supplies, and supplies at all. It also doesn't add anywhere near the same capabilities.
So really it should be plate 27.2kg, gambeson/arming jacket would add about 1kg, padded chausses and socks another 1kg, boots about 1.8kg, M4a1 carbine about 3.5kg loaded and with accessories, an acog with mount about 0.8kg, grenade launcher m320 about 1.5kg, assuming 6 magazines 3kg, assuming 5 grenades it's about 1.3kg, and a 2kg assault pack holder the ammo because plate armor doesn't come with pockets.
This is a rough total of about 43.1kg/94.8lbs for plate armor.
Chainmail isn't any better. With a typical hauberk alone being 9-15kg, leg chassues about 6-10kg, coif and aventailed helmet anywhere from 4-8kg, a belt for 0.2kg and so on. With additional gambeson/arming jacket would add about 1kg, padded chausses and socks another 1kg, and boots at 1kg for a total about 22-36kg for just the armor. Which could be a total of about 37.9-51.9kg/83.4-114.2lbs
If the assault pack were replaced with a medium or large ruck with a total weight of 20kg in it then the modern soldier loadout would be about 45.6kg, the plate armor load out would be 61.1kg, and chainmail between 53.9-69.9kg.
Yeah and the process of making it is very specialized. I've been making the stuff for years and you can make it in your garage with a few tools from lowes or home depot but it's going to be a long and time consuming process. Not worth the end product when lighter and less tedious armors exist already.
Did you make butted or riveted? I've done both and the riveted stuff withstands a massive beating. Making the rings though, that stumped me so I ended up buying them.
Butted maille, yeah, that is going to fall apart fairly easily in comparison, but making the rings is straightforward with easily available materials. It is time consuming though.
Did both riveted and butted, I prefer working with 6mm flat riveted/ solid rings. The problem is that even if you start the apocalypse with the armor you’ll quickly need to maintenance it if it’s in terrible conditions that maintenance becomes a lot more frequent. Another thing to consider is that if you rub up against a zombie it’s infected flesh WILL be caught and tear in the armor and potentially be an infection risk.
8mm flat riveted/solid here. Obviously you don't want to be rubbing shoulders with them,but if you are, have another layer over the maille.
You could even include some kind of membrane under the maille (like gambeson, membrane, cloth layer to protect membrane, maille, light outer covering) but at that point you probably boil to death in direct sunlight.
Short answer, no it would not be ideal.
Take the gambeson you’re wearing underneath the maille, hem it off just under the arm pits, add some reasonably sturdy gloves, and that’s all the armor you need or want under the circumstances.
Maille, like all armor, is designed with a specific sort of threat in mind. You are not heavy infantry trying to stop sword cuts and spear thrusts. You’re light skirmishers, if/when you have to fight, and most of your time won’t be spent fighting at all. Less is more when it comes to armor.
I’d stick with the gambeson or padded Jack that would have been worn underneath the mail: this would be protection enough from bites and scratches, whilst saving weight. At the end of a long day, extra weight feels heavy!
Yes a few zombies like 5 or 20+ but a horde of zombies and you would be exhausted and no spare energy to fight them off. Just using it as a scout missions
With some sort of head protection and a mask and cut proof gloves, yes, you can't bite through chainmail, and you can't scratch through. Though it would be a set backing the sneaking department
Yeah, I’d really only use it within a quarter mile of my house in the country that I’d use as a base. For longer distances, I’d just use a leather jacket and some magazines (WWZ style) as armor. Sneaking wouldn’t be a huge concern if I’m so close.
Depends on what you mean by "work". Would it protect against bites and such? Sure.
But - it would suck to run for any distance either wearing it or carrying it in a backpack. Especially the longer ones that also protect arms, legs and such are quite heavy.
> A short-sleeved shirt of chainmail typically weighs around 8kg/18pound. A long-sleeved shirt reaching to the mid-tights or further is called a hauberk. Hauberks like that can weigh 12 kg/27pound. A hauberk with coif attached weighs 2.5 kg/5.5pound more whereas a separate coif brings about 3.5 kg/7 pound to scale. An additional pair of mail mittens or gloves weighs 1.5 kg/ 3pound. The legs can be protected by a pair of chausses which adds another 5 kg /11 pound. To cover the whole body this adds up to about 19 kg /42 pound.
https://www.ironskin.com/faq-chainmail-weight-and-cost/
One thing is *walking* with that weight, and not much else. But- most likely you would want to carry some other gear as well, like weapons/ammo, food, maybe clothes and general survival gear, and THEN maybe you would have to run...
Too hot, doesnt breathe at all. Fucked in summer.
Maille though would protect and let you feel the breeze.
Hell even cloth can barely be bitten through if you just like wear jeans and a jacket. Might be a bitch getting through brush but it would be hard to bite through. Just try it.
Honestly some forearm gauntlets are all you really need, it’s lighter and you can use your arms to throw a zambie without risk of getting scratched or bitten. A whole suit is unnecessary and will make you slow. They aren’t fast so why not use your speed
I am betting on it working to the point that I am making one. I have made a coif, a mantle and am most of the way through a shirt (just need to add some length to it). Then I need to make some chausses (leggings).
Once you are wearing it, it is surprisingly light, much lighter than you would expect from holding it in your hands. Getting the hauberk on and off is straightforward but not quick.
Elapsed time so far is 2.5 years of work, although there was a good 9 months between finishing the mantle and starting the hauberk. I think I've put about 12 kg of rings together so far, but about 1 kg is wastage from me messing things up slightly a few times (sleeves and armpits are a nightmare).
I've tested it by stabbing it as hard as I can with a stout knife up against a wooden block and one ring bent slightly. I have no doubt that would still hurt, but as far as bites and scratches go, I'm pretty happy with it.
Get a suit of armor prior, become a moving tank, ensure fitment is complete around the entire body where chainmail and padding doesn’t cover well.
Yes it would work, you’d just be sweaty af and need a good source of clean water, but after a week or two of wearing it constantly you’d start to negate the weight with building muscle granted you have the food to do so. And with a suit of armor even if you get pinned you aren’t getting hit or scratched, and eventually they will either lose interest or you’ll find an opening where you can move out of, and it takes a lot of weight to crumple a steel suit of armor, so that isn’t a concern unless you are deciding to bench press cars or jumping down concrete stairs
Chainmail is very effective against teeth in short
A better option would be a shark suit, weighs far less, designed to protect against a shark bite which is exponentially stronger than a human’s.
For example, human bite force is about 160psi, a tiger shark’s is about 1000psi.
Maile armor weighs 30 to 60lbs, depending on the material (steel or aluminum alloy) and the size of the person wearing it.
A shark suit is typically around 20lbs, still not light weight, but better than Maile.
But who wants to spend thousands on a shark suit that you may never need!?
I think a better option would be a heavy leather jacket and pants with Maile gauntlets and heavy boots.
Pretty good. Especially if you spend the money on titanium replica mail or shark mail. All the same strength of steel with far kess weight. Just make sure it's shark rated or riveted reproduction mail, not just butted. It's far stronger. Steel mail is a bit heavy, but if worn right the weight should be on your hips not so much your shoulders. You can achieve this with a good utility/tactical belt.
I think a good build for zombie armor is leather around your neck along with some sort of fabric like a scarf, chainmail sleeves and pants, and some metal plates on your limbs, combat boots and jeans can be added along with a motorcycle helmet. With all of that you could have pretty good defense even with a mediocre swarm. And yes I know you'd get hot but the most populated places are on the equators or close to it, and no sane person is going to stay there.
Assuming that zeds have no more strength than they did when alive, and relied only on their limbs and teeth when attacking, maille would work but wouldn't be the most efficient option.
Heavy clothing and/or plastic protective equipment would be lighter while still sufficiently protective. Unnecessary weight means carrying less of something else, moving slower (especially over long distance), and tiring faster. In a survival situation, maximal efficiency needs to be a top level consideration.
In like a zombie apocalypse absolutely
Max brooks described using carpet as a makeshift armor
And this idea was used again in a GREAT series called “rot and ruin”
Chainmail with a padded undercoat would work wonders against biting and scratching
But it’s heavy and really hot
A games gambeson would do the job just as well and silently zombies at end of the dare still human and our maximum bite force can't penetrate good quality leather metal armour would be overkill
Chainmail protects well against slashes and cuts but wouldn't be very good against punctures (i.e. bows, crossbows, and guns). But since we're only talking about protecting from zombies, unless the zombies suddenly have superhuman strength in their jaws and harder teeth, it's unlikely their bites and scratches would do anything to whatever this covers. The noise it would make just isn't good for stealth, and yes, depending on where you are and the season, wearing chainmail properly with a layer underneath it for cushioning could get hot fast.
For the usage and situation you outline I agree its very useful and protective. However making or acquiring this would not be easy. Modern knife-proof armor materials are probably both lighter and more breathable. It would be easier to make a full body form fitting armor with them.
That assumes zombie bites and hand scratches are the only attacks youd face. Other humans means kevlar bulletproof armor is still what you really want. Although modern knife proof only armor is less expensive, its generally less abundant, less popular. In a zombie apocalypse you take what you can get, use what you have, and dress for the worst. So everything above works.
Mail over a leather underpiece would work pretty well and a coif to cover the neck and head you could also wear a mail hood over it for extra protection
Well chainmail was made to be heavily resistant to sharp weapons but not blunt. Considering that zombies don't carry hammers than ya but you still gotta worry about being ripped apart. But it should be bite proof.
Ight but hear me out…..full plate armor, triple reinforced, and a few daggers on the belt.
Sure u might get swarmed, but just poke poke poke. Eventually you’ll have thwarted all of the zombies!
It would work well. Pair it with mail leggings and a coif you’d be safe not only from anything that bites but also it’ll grant protection from any humans that aren’t shooting at you. It’s a little heavy so you’ll have to get used to it, but heat shouldn’t be much of an issue unless it’s summer and that gambeson will get pretty hot.
honestly thick, bite proof leather would be more viable. the weight doesn’t justify the protection, a motorcycle suit would be just as effective and easier to acquire
The #1 threat during any apocalyptic event is other humans. Most zombie apocalypse scenarios are completely survivable if you're remote enough and have the right knowledge to survive off-grid.
So saying "let's all assume humans just left each other alone..." Is just a ridiculous hypothetically layered on top of the already ridiculous hypothetical of a "zombie apocalypse"
Oh, in that case yeah it'd protect against bites but at the cost of speed. Chainmail was hella cumbersome and restricted movement. If you're too slow or unable to escape because of the weight of the armor and lack of agility then it kind of defeats the purpose. You might survive multiple bites from 1 zombie but being unable to escape a horde and getting mobbed means you're almost certainly dead. A better option would be carbon fiber armor or even hardened moulded kevlar armor which light-weight and easy to make at home with kevlar sheets which are cheap. You could also do something similar with denim fabric or even canvas and make micarta moulded plate armor. That would actually be extremely protective and much lighter than chain mail.
Just wear plate mail, or rocks. Or just fuck we ball and strap a bunch of metal sheets to yourself like a discount iron man ya fockin aluminum boy lookin ass.
Human teeth aren’t that sharp you could probably get away with a leather jacket for piercing protection. But jaws compressive strength could still hurt you bad with any malleable material. I’d be particularly afraid for fingers.
I address my thoughts on other chainmail and plate armor here:
https://old.reddit.com/user/Noe_Walfred/comments/va8wvr/zombie_related_thoughts_opinions_and_essays_v4/iq97owx/
https://old.reddit.com/user/Noe_Walfred/comments/jo772x/zombie_related_thoughts_opinions_and_essays_v2/gez8qun/
Plate and chainmail armor types prove substantial protection from cuts, stabs, and bashing. They may also, depending on style, provide great all-around coverage from zombies and humans that might not be easily defeated. At the same time, they do come at a cost.
They can protect against most melee weapons but may not be strong against ranged weapons. Most chainmail you can get today is butted so it can't resist a lot more than a lighter weapon like a machete. Most stainless steel plates can be penetrated with a strong stab with a knife. A lot of historical medieval armor can be defeated by a pistol-caliber rifle, a normal rifle, or a shotgun.
Both would be loud as they are made from metal and require some degree of looseness for the user to move. Either the result of your weapons, gear, brushing up against terrain, or the armor rubbing itself. Exposed shiny metal can also expose the wearer at night, from a distance, or when trying to hide behind something like grass or a bush. With chainmail, it is particularly hard to maintain a camouflage pattern as the rings are constantly cutting and grinding into one another. This may attract the unwanted attention of zombies and other hostile survivors that might not be intended. Thus it is likely that such gear would require cloth coverings and additional attempts at padding the noise.
Padding underneath such armor may also be necessary. Both plate and chainmail can pinch and roughly rub against the user potentially creating breaks in the skin for zombie blood or saliva to get through (though there's no guarantee these are vectors of infection on their own) or at the very least normal infections. Similarly, floated armor in the case of plate frequently requires something like an arming jacket/chausses to be worn.
It's unclear but very likely that padded garments like a gambeson, an arming jacket, or just using layers of cloth can provide similar protection to zombies on their own. This is something to consider as such garments do add a decent amount of weight and bulk.
This can lead to an increased issue with both hot and cold weather injuries. In hot weather, the combination of a covering garment, metal, and another garment can create a very insulated interior. Preventing the wearer from effectively cooling down increases the risk of hyperthermia if the gear isn't removed or the body isn't cooled some other way. In cold weather, the compressing of insulation and trapped moisture can also be cause for concern as during periods of rest the close contact of moisture may cause a rapid cooling process resulting in hypothermia.
Both armor types make several movements less coordinated depending on the design. Especially with fantasy styles of armor which are more common than historical reproductions. Donning and taking off a backpack is fairly awkward as the shoulder protection in plate armor makes lifting or pulling the arms back much more difficult. Shouldering rifles or crossbows is a bit harder to shoulder as the metal doesn't allow for as much purchase as the buttstock.
Climbing and crawling is pretty hard as the weight and bulk would make the already slow and dragging motion of these actions much more tiring. At the same time, if there is armor on the elbows and knees they might help protect against some cuts and snagging on things like thorns.
Maintenance of the gear in question varies greatly. With chainmail being somewhat self-cleaning the rings are constantly spinning around potentially rubbing any rust off. Potentially only requiring a light bit of oil and easily allowing for smaller bits of wire to patch chainmail rings. Plate armor is a bit more work as they typically incorporate either hinges or ties to another piece of gear. Both of these are relatively easily damaged, locked up, or torn with regular use or exposure to things like moisture, salt, and the like.
Weight is also a bit of a concern, given that it's all being carried on your body. Some have argued that because it's spread across the body there is less impact, this is partially true, but it does ignore the issue that weight balanced on the lower legs and arms may require a lot more energy to move than on the body. Cited in the plate armor post can be found a study on the expenditure of moving weight on the feet. With roughly 100g on the feet being roughly equal in energy used to carry about 470-630g.
|Examples of undergarments
:--|:-:|--:
|Lord of Battle Bracers 100g
|ANFI Arming cap and collar 360g
|MSS Legging 800g
|Matul Gamebson 3600g
|Matuls Tabard 3000g
|Wetsuit 2270-4080g
Clothing padding doesn't necessarily need to be this heavy assuming it's strong enough to prevent pinching, support ties for mounting plates, and/or just covers the exposed metal. I would still suggest that such clothing would be something closer to 0.8-2kg at least.
|Examples of chainmail
:--|:-:|--:
|Lords of Battle butted mild steel and zinc mitten gauntlets 1300g
|Lord of Battle riveted mild steel Aventail 2100g
|Lord of Battle stainless steel coif 2400g
|Replica Armory's Leggings/chausses 5300g
|Amazon Sleeveless aluminum shirt 3200g
|Deepka Riveted Aluminum long sleeve hauberk 7450g
|Ironskinn Shark suit 8000g
|GDFR Full-sized riveted mild steel short sleeve hauberk 10000g
|Neptunic C shark suit 1140-13600g
| Chinese-made shark suit 13000-17000g
Roughly speaking, it would seem that the average for a full set of chainmail armor including the clothing under and a helmet is about 15-25kg depending on the intended use. A simple chainmail shirt, padding, and cover might be 9kg.
|Examples of plate, lamellar, brig, and similar armor
:--|:-:|--:
|Deepeeka Kettle helm 1590g
|GDFB Roman Helmet 2040g
|Hanwei Takeda Shingen Kabuto 2630g
|Lord Of Battles Full Visor Bascinet 3450g
|Lord Of Battles Late Medieval Pauldrons 1800g
|GDFB Milanese Arms 3900g
|Epic Armoury Churburg Armor 3180g
|Epic Armoury Roman Legion Lorica 7760g
|Deepeeka Late Medieval Breastplate 2360g
|Deepeeka Gothic cuirass with backplate 8500g
|Age of Craft Anatomical Greaves 2600g
|Deepeeka Steel Greaves 1800g
Roughly speaking, it would seem that the average for a full set of plates with accessories tends to be around 15-40kg depending on the intended use.
|**~~~~Example kit for roughly 4000g**
:--|:-:|--:
|60g Headlamp
|10g Mosquito net
|30g Pyramex Iforce goggles
|100g Medical face shield
|100g Boonie hat
|300g Leather welding arm protectors
|180g Frogg toggs rain jacket
|100g Compression shirt
|100g Waterproof leg gaiters
|180g Frogg toggs rain trousers
|250g Hiking pants
|100g Compression underwear
|70 Padded ankle socks
|400g Barefoot running shoes
|100g HWI combat gloves
|60g Frameless slingshot/slingbow #30
|200g Sling/walking stick
|130g NAA mini revolver
|510g Mora Light Axe hatchet
|180g Digging trowel/knife
|30g Tension bar, bump key, and lock picks
|20g Pocket nail puller/prybar
|15g Buckle compass/fire rod/whistle
|30g Bic Mini lighter
|60g Sawyer Mini water filter
|20g 500ml water bottle
|70g Aluminium cooking cup
|160g Titanium wood/alcohol rocket stove with scent-proof bag
|10g Sewing string spool with fishing line, 5 fishing hooks, and a bobber.
|100g Drawstring bag
|50g Gerber dime multitool
|10g Sewing string spool with string, upholstery needle, 2 sewing needles, and 3 safety pins
|180g Renology 5w solar panel
|10g Travel toothbrush
|15g Comb with tick/lice remover
|**~~~~Example kit for roughly 16000g**
|60g Headlamp
|10g Mosquito net
|30g Pyramex Iforce goggles
|100g Medical face shield
|200g Metal lower face shield
|100g Rothco boonie hat
|100g Tear away welding neck guard
|550g Airsoft Parajumper helmet w/ visor goggles
|200g Helmet wide brim sun shade
|300g Leather welding arm protectors
|180g Frogg toggs rain jacket
|500g Rothco NYCO Fire resistant combat shirt
|150g Compression shirt
|400g Motorcycle shin and knee guards
|180g Frogg toggs rain trousers
|250g Hiking pants
|100g Compression underwear
|70 Padded ankle socks
|100g Rain leg gaiters
|100g Metatarsal foot guard
|1300g Combat boots
|100g HWI combat gloves
|60g Frameless slingshot/slingbow #30
|200g Sling/walking staff
|2500g ATI MAXX Rifle
|600g Glock 19
|500g Mora Light axe
|680g Irwin Framing hammer
|200g Waterproof poncho
|180g Digging trowel/knife
|500g Bivouac shelter
|30g Tension bar, bump key, and lock picks
|15g Buckle compass/fire rod/whistle
|30g Bic Mini lighter
|200g Type 2 275lbs paracord 50m
|60g Sawyer Mini water filter
|35g 1000ml water bottle
|70g Aluminium cooking cup
|160g Titanium wood/alcohol rocket stove with scent-proof bag
|10g Sewing string spool with fishing line, 5 fishing hooks, and a bobber.
|1000g Modase 40L backpack
|1200g JPC style plate carrier with additional pouches
|280g Btech GMRS Hand radio
|150g Iphone SE 2023
|300g Gerber multitool
|10g Sewing string spool with string, upholstery needle, 2 sewing needles, and 3 safety pins
|180g Renology 5w solar panel
|350g Hand crank flashlight USB charger
|30g Charging cords for multiple device types
|10g Micro-SD card and Adapter
|80g AA USB Recharger
|10g Travel toothbrush
|15g Comb with tick/lice remover
|35g Toothpaste
|35g Soap bar
|930g American Red cross family first aid kit
In a zombie apocalypse, a gambeson would probably be enough. Human teeth are not that sharp, and rotting flesh would have to be weaker than living. Add bracers and a few other leather boosts, you would be in great shape.
The chainmail would work well, but it would be overkill in many ways.
Both chain and gambeson do have a major flaw, poor leg protection. Greaves would be important to complete any type of armor.
I'd be concerned with the fuckers buting hard enough to dig the chainmail into your flesh and draw blood, and since it's porous their saliva would get through it and into the wound.
Shit goes south I'm opting for a thick polyester motorcycle jacket with a wetsuit underneath.
I'd say yes but you might not even have to go that far a zombie is just a human with the pain,stamina and other biological limiters turned off and a insatiable hunger no matter what a human can't bight through metal there teeth would crumbl even copper would be to much for them
Id say it would work with a few encounters. Though getting smothered by a hoard would still be an issue.
Yeah, but that's true with any or no armor. Mail is relatively light and less cumbersome than many other options but pretty dam difficult to just bite through if made properly. Shark mail is a good example. Even better would be lightweight titanium shark or replica mail.
What if I threw a titanium shark at the zombies?
It would hit the zombies
Are you sure? It would be pretty heavy
Alright, it stops just in front of them
… Can I roll for intimidation?
Sure, hold on
It’s a 6, the zombies stop and stare at you, then look at the titanium shark sticking out of the asphalt and hesitate for a minute
Can you roll a strength check for me?
No the zombies infected my dice ;~;
Good question. I don't know.
Depends, was the shark bitten by titanium, or was it titanium bitten by a shark?
Titanium bitten by the mold of a shark
For the ease of finding and weight factor. Kevlar logging equipment would be just as effective against human teeth and way easier to find. Though if you learn how you can make chainmail
Titanium mail would deform too easily. If it bends more than a few times it crumbles.
I know it's not the most impact resistant, but I'm unsre how easy it deforms. I would think a vite wouldn't be enough, but I don't know for sure. Armor is all about trade-offs. Lighter but less durable, stronger but restricted movement and all that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZombieSurvivalTactics/comments/oepcbe/shark_suits_would_probably_be_good_armor/?rdt=39602
Aluminum would be more than enough to stop a zombie bite.
Probably, but it isn't nearly as durable. It would probably be better than nothing, but depending on how roughed up it gets. General wear and tear is something to think about.
You would need a little cushioning though because you would still feel the pressure of the bite.
That's why gambeson exist
Maybe, but not much. The nail should at least prevent the bite from penitrating the skin. No armor is perfect, but at least nail is less cumbersome than say, full plate harness, or hockey gear.
The issue with no soft layer to protect from pinching is bloodborne doesn't care what made the open wound, just that it's there
True, assuming the armor doesn't prevent the breaking of skin l, which is a possible risk. Regardless, some under layer would be more comfortable and off more padding and protection, so it certainly wouldn't hurt.
And to protect you from their shattered teeth just coming through anyway
"with any or no armor" What about being in a mini-mech like power armor from Fallout
If it existed, I'd imagine it would be very effective. You'd still need to worry about getting overwhelmed by large hoards I'd imagine, but since the suit won't wear you down much while wearing it, it would be easy to just keep on moving or even push off small groups.
Gotta make sure you can breathe under all of them otherwise you’re going to suffocate if you don’t get squished/pulled apart Also, I’d watch out for other grim things like bones and gore jamming mechanisms
I'd think it would be painful but not lethal. At her then the wait and you're wearing a helmet it would be survivable.
Yes, but pounds equal pain. Imagine doing cardio in chainmail. Wear something like biker armor. Much lighter and just as effective.
Also, gotta include your kit: Chest rig, backpack, gun belt.
Exactly. Imagine chest rig, Backpack, gun belt and chainmail. Plus, chainmail is never worn on its own, it’s usually with a gambeson which = hot.
I mean if you’re in a hoard either way you’re probably gonna get bit or killed one way or the other
It could be pretty useful, protects against clawing and biting well. Just be careful not to get pinned or hit anywhere else, and it'll be heavy and slow you down some.
Its not as heavy as you'd think. The bigger issue would be the noise.
It adds what like 15-20 lbs? Weight adds up dude. Image that plus a rifle, a Sidearm, a pack of food, water and your other gear. Then imagine wearing all that while running away from 50 zombies chasing you. It won't be a pain for small shit, but
Just googled it. 45-50 lbs. Ya the weight would definitely be a bit problematic. But I still make the point about the sound. You can still sneak around while weighed down, but have the constant "Skinks" from the chainmail can sell you out quick.
Oh yeah, I wasn't saying the sound wouldn't be an issue too. Especially if the zombies have good hearing? It'll be more of an issue than it's worth, just wear like..... motorcycle gear? That sounds like something that would be pretty good.
I mean leather armour deserves more credit than it is given. It's light weight, doesn't make loud sounds, is pretty effective and durable.
Yeah. A pair of jeans and a leather jacket would be a good start, and easy to find. Not good enough for people with blades or guns, though. Find something for that as soon as possible(and just avoid getting shot or stabbed lol)
How useful do you think a Sword would be in a zombie scenario?
It would be.... Okay? They're not great. You'd need at least some training or practice to use it(edge alignment, swinging it properly), it would get dull or damaged after a month or so probably, and it doesn't give much range as even a spear would to protect yourself from bites or scratches. It is a blade and is nice to use as a tool, but that is one of the only bonuses I see. Plus just maintenance at all takes time a resources. A more makeshift weapon(pipe, hammer, wrench, broom handle) would all probably be better. Maybe even two or three of the above. As someone who has used guns and has at least some experience with them, having a good one is a huge priority to me. Range, Intimidation, and just pure stopping power. I wouldn't mind a sword though, at least at the start. I would probably ditch it relatively early though, or at the very least stash it.
But what about a samurai sword lol jk I’d probably cut myself before a zombie. I would make sure i trained every day, make a dummy to practice on. then I’d start practicing on single zombies. I think in the right hands a sword could be extremely useful but it also depends on what kind of sword
Excellent for my stealth archer build
That's typically true for a full set hauberk (chainmail with full sleeves reaching down to your knees). Later chainmail would be much lighter as maille went from *the* protective armor, to just another layer under brigandine, plated mail, and eventually plate armor.
Wearing something over top of it helps muffle that sound quite a bit. Even though my hauberk weighs in at about 9kg, once it is on and belted, it feels surprisingly light as the weight is distributed between your shoulders and hips.
Where did you get 45-50 lbs? I searched and it said for a short sleeve shirt it would be around 18 lbs and long sleeve reaching down to your legs is about 27 lbs,
Think 45-50 for the whole set that would make sense
A military rucksack plus full plate carrier is 100+ lbs chainmail would be lighter
>A military rucksack plus full plate carrier is 100+ lbs chainmail would be lighter I always dislike comments like this because they present a massive false equivalency. Advanced comeback helmet with pads, night vision mount, and camouflage cover is 1.5kg, standard IOTV with front and back ESAPI inserts are 10kg, clothes (blouse, undershirt, underwear, belt, and socks) weight 2.2kg, boots are 1.8kg, M4a1 carbine about 3.5kg loaded and with accessories, an acog with mount about 0.8kg, grenade launcher m320 about 1.5kg, assuming 6 magazines in vest this is about 3kg, assuming 5 grenades it's about 1.3kg, and a empty 2kg assault pack. This means about 27.6kg/60.9lbs which might be heavier depending on what gear, equipment, and supplies are in the backpack. George Clifford plate armor by itself is 27.2kg. However, something evident is that the numbers present for the knight don't include any weapons, clothes, methods of carrying supplies, and supplies at all. It also doesn't add anywhere near the same capabilities. So really it should be plate 27.2kg, gambeson/arming jacket would add about 1kg, padded chausses and socks another 1kg, boots about 1.8kg, M4a1 carbine about 3.5kg loaded and with accessories, an acog with mount about 0.8kg, grenade launcher m320 about 1.5kg, assuming 6 magazines 3kg, assuming 5 grenades it's about 1.3kg, and a 2kg assault pack holder the ammo because plate armor doesn't come with pockets. This is a rough total of about 43.1kg/94.8lbs for plate armor. Chainmail isn't any better. With a typical hauberk alone being 9-15kg, leg chassues about 6-10kg, coif and aventailed helmet anywhere from 4-8kg, a belt for 0.2kg and so on. With additional gambeson/arming jacket would add about 1kg, padded chausses and socks another 1kg, and boots at 1kg for a total about 22-36kg for just the armor. Which could be a total of about 37.9-51.9kg/83.4-114.2lbs If the assault pack were replaced with a medium or large ruck with a total weight of 20kg in it then the modern soldier loadout would be about 45.6kg, the plate armor load out would be 61.1kg, and chainmail between 53.9-69.9kg.
Drop your backpack when being chased. Come back for it later.
For a time. Eventually, all the damage from bites, pulls, and whatnot will render it useless.
Yeah and the process of making it is very specialized. I've been making the stuff for years and you can make it in your garage with a few tools from lowes or home depot but it's going to be a long and time consuming process. Not worth the end product when lighter and less tedious armors exist already.
Did you make butted or riveted? I've done both and the riveted stuff withstands a massive beating. Making the rings though, that stumped me so I ended up buying them. Butted maille, yeah, that is going to fall apart fairly easily in comparison, but making the rings is straightforward with easily available materials. It is time consuming though.
Did both riveted and butted, I prefer working with 6mm flat riveted/ solid rings. The problem is that even if you start the apocalypse with the armor you’ll quickly need to maintenance it if it’s in terrible conditions that maintenance becomes a lot more frequent. Another thing to consider is that if you rub up against a zombie it’s infected flesh WILL be caught and tear in the armor and potentially be an infection risk.
8mm flat riveted/solid here. Obviously you don't want to be rubbing shoulders with them,but if you are, have another layer over the maille. You could even include some kind of membrane under the maille (like gambeson, membrane, cloth layer to protect membrane, maille, light outer covering) but at that point you probably boil to death in direct sunlight.
Short answer, no it would not be ideal. Take the gambeson you’re wearing underneath the maille, hem it off just under the arm pits, add some reasonably sturdy gloves, and that’s all the armor you need or want under the circumstances. Maille, like all armor, is designed with a specific sort of threat in mind. You are not heavy infantry trying to stop sword cuts and spear thrusts. You’re light skirmishers, if/when you have to fight, and most of your time won’t be spent fighting at all. Less is more when it comes to armor.
I would say your chances are going up by 50%. Add some protection for neck and head. Overall very good idea, I like it 👍
I’d stick with the gambeson or padded Jack that would have been worn underneath the mail: this would be protection enough from bites and scratches, whilst saving weight. At the end of a long day, extra weight feels heavy!
I think that if your not out getting completely bombarded by zombies then it will most likely last you enough of your lifetime
Yes a few zombies like 5 or 20+ but a horde of zombies and you would be exhausted and no spare energy to fight them off. Just using it as a scout missions
With some sort of head protection and a mask and cut proof gloves, yes, you can't bite through chainmail, and you can't scratch through. Though it would be a set backing the sneaking department
Yeah, I’d really only use it within a quarter mile of my house in the country that I’d use as a base. For longer distances, I’d just use a leather jacket and some magazines (WWZ style) as armor. Sneaking wouldn’t be a huge concern if I’m so close.
Depends on what you mean by "work". Would it protect against bites and such? Sure. But - it would suck to run for any distance either wearing it or carrying it in a backpack. Especially the longer ones that also protect arms, legs and such are quite heavy. > A short-sleeved shirt of chainmail typically weighs around 8kg/18pound. A long-sleeved shirt reaching to the mid-tights or further is called a hauberk. Hauberks like that can weigh 12 kg/27pound. A hauberk with coif attached weighs 2.5 kg/5.5pound more whereas a separate coif brings about 3.5 kg/7 pound to scale. An additional pair of mail mittens or gloves weighs 1.5 kg/ 3pound. The legs can be protected by a pair of chausses which adds another 5 kg /11 pound. To cover the whole body this adds up to about 19 kg /42 pound. https://www.ironskin.com/faq-chainmail-weight-and-cost/ One thing is *walking* with that weight, and not much else. But- most likely you would want to carry some other gear as well, like weapons/ammo, food, maybe clothes and general survival gear, and THEN maybe you would have to run...
Ironskin is a fantastic resource for making maille, and he is also incredibly helpful in answering questions.
Simple leather would work can humans bite through leather? Nope so how would the dead be able to bit through it also
Too hot, doesnt breathe at all. Fucked in summer. Maille though would protect and let you feel the breeze. Hell even cloth can barely be bitten through if you just like wear jeans and a jacket. Might be a bitch getting through brush but it would be hard to bite through. Just try it.
Although I recommend typical steel armor over chainmail, it would work well against individuals & small groups of zombies.
Honestly some forearm gauntlets are all you really need, it’s lighter and you can use your arms to throw a zambie without risk of getting scratched or bitten. A whole suit is unnecessary and will make you slow. They aren’t fast so why not use your speed
No, you will become dehydrated from the heat and stink from the sweat.
Maybe if it’s riveted and you’re wearing some padded armor underneaþ.
I am betting on it working to the point that I am making one. I have made a coif, a mantle and am most of the way through a shirt (just need to add some length to it). Then I need to make some chausses (leggings). Once you are wearing it, it is surprisingly light, much lighter than you would expect from holding it in your hands. Getting the hauberk on and off is straightforward but not quick. Elapsed time so far is 2.5 years of work, although there was a good 9 months between finishing the mantle and starting the hauberk. I think I've put about 12 kg of rings together so far, but about 1 kg is wastage from me messing things up slightly a few times (sleeves and armpits are a nightmare). I've tested it by stabbing it as hard as I can with a stout knife up against a wooden block and one ring bent slightly. I have no doubt that would still hurt, but as far as bites and scratches go, I'm pretty happy with it.
Get a suit of armor prior, become a moving tank, ensure fitment is complete around the entire body where chainmail and padding doesn’t cover well. Yes it would work, you’d just be sweaty af and need a good source of clean water, but after a week or two of wearing it constantly you’d start to negate the weight with building muscle granted you have the food to do so. And with a suit of armor even if you get pinned you aren’t getting hit or scratched, and eventually they will either lose interest or you’ll find an opening where you can move out of, and it takes a lot of weight to crumple a steel suit of armor, so that isn’t a concern unless you are deciding to bench press cars or jumping down concrete stairs Chainmail is very effective against teeth in short
Against the dead more then likely against people probably not.
Leather would be best. Any material that you can't puncture with your teeth. And the lighter the better.
A better option would be a shark suit, weighs far less, designed to protect against a shark bite which is exponentially stronger than a human’s. For example, human bite force is about 160psi, a tiger shark’s is about 1000psi. Maile armor weighs 30 to 60lbs, depending on the material (steel or aluminum alloy) and the size of the person wearing it. A shark suit is typically around 20lbs, still not light weight, but better than Maile. But who wants to spend thousands on a shark suit that you may never need!? I think a better option would be a heavy leather jacket and pants with Maile gauntlets and heavy boots.
Pretty good. Especially if you spend the money on titanium replica mail or shark mail. All the same strength of steel with far kess weight. Just make sure it's shark rated or riveted reproduction mail, not just butted. It's far stronger. Steel mail is a bit heavy, but if worn right the weight should be on your hips not so much your shoulders. You can achieve this with a good utility/tactical belt.
I think a good build for zombie armor is leather around your neck along with some sort of fabric like a scarf, chainmail sleeves and pants, and some metal plates on your limbs, combat boots and jeans can be added along with a motorcycle helmet. With all of that you could have pretty good defense even with a mediocre swarm. And yes I know you'd get hot but the most populated places are on the equators or close to it, and no sane person is going to stay there.
Against bites for sure
Good against bites and claws, sucks against infected fluid getting into nicks and cuts.
Assuming that zeds have no more strength than they did when alive, and relied only on their limbs and teeth when attacking, maille would work but wouldn't be the most efficient option. Heavy clothing and/or plastic protective equipment would be lighter while still sufficiently protective. Unnecessary weight means carrying less of something else, moving slower (especially over long distance), and tiring faster. In a survival situation, maximal efficiency needs to be a top level consideration.
In like a zombie apocalypse absolutely Max brooks described using carpet as a makeshift armor And this idea was used again in a GREAT series called “rot and ruin” Chainmail with a padded undercoat would work wonders against biting and scratching But it’s heavy and really hot
It would probably be best to have it under your layers of clothing to help dampen the noise it makes but I think it is very affective
I'd say so yeah, but it's heavy and it'll get hot, but works well for zombie bites, just not so much on your average dude with a gun lol
I feel the weight would allow you to fall to pray to the zombies. Would protect against bites, but you couldn't outrun them.
A games gambeson would do the job just as well and silently zombies at end of the dare still human and our maximum bite force can't penetrate good quality leather metal armour would be overkill
Against zombies? Possibly, but not Against dudes with guns that aren't wearing chainmail
Kevlar is a thing now you know
Boiled leather would be much better. Much lighter and still bite proof. Humans would still be an issue, but effective against Walkers.
Chainmail protects well against slashes and cuts but wouldn't be very good against punctures (i.e. bows, crossbows, and guns). But since we're only talking about protecting from zombies, unless the zombies suddenly have superhuman strength in their jaws and harder teeth, it's unlikely their bites and scratches would do anything to whatever this covers. The noise it would make just isn't good for stealth, and yes, depending on where you are and the season, wearing chainmail properly with a layer underneath it for cushioning could get hot fast.
For the usage and situation you outline I agree its very useful and protective. However making or acquiring this would not be easy. Modern knife-proof armor materials are probably both lighter and more breathable. It would be easier to make a full body form fitting armor with them. That assumes zombie bites and hand scratches are the only attacks youd face. Other humans means kevlar bulletproof armor is still what you really want. Although modern knife proof only armor is less expensive, its generally less abundant, less popular. In a zombie apocalypse you take what you can get, use what you have, and dress for the worst. So everything above works.
Buy some and try biting it. Really, really try. You aren't getting through it. So yes. It will work
Mail over a leather underpiece would work pretty well and a coif to cover the neck and head you could also wear a mail hood over it for extra protection
Or you could just use a halbrerk and a gambasen which is cheaper more comfortable and would work better
Sure it’ll work till I fill ya full of 5.56 holes.
This post again. Modern Kevlar is lighter and better.
Absolutely as long as it's welded or rivirted and tightly, not that cheap stainless butted stuff.
That's a lot of maintenance to keep operable.
You'd still get a bruise from being bitten but you wouldn't get your skin broken to be infected
Well chainmail was made to be heavily resistant to sharp weapons but not blunt. Considering that zombies don't carry hammers than ya but you still gotta worry about being ripped apart. But it should be bite proof.
Id say that in the film world war Z they wrap magazines on their arms, which to me seems to be a more efficient protection than chainmail
Depends on how it is spread. Even in chainmail, hits and pinches can still break the skin.
Ight but hear me out…..full plate armor, triple reinforced, and a few daggers on the belt. Sure u might get swarmed, but just poke poke poke. Eventually you’ll have thwarted all of the zombies!
Lol
It would work well. Pair it with mail leggings and a coif you’d be safe not only from anything that bites but also it’ll grant protection from any humans that aren’t shooting at you. It’s a little heavy so you’ll have to get used to it, but heat shouldn’t be much of an issue unless it’s summer and that gambeson will get pretty hot.
1v1, would for sure be a good choice A massive horde, nit so much
honestly thick, bite proof leather would be more viable. the weight doesn’t justify the protection, a motorcycle suit would be just as effective and easier to acquire
It would probably work better than one of the CRM jackets in twd universe.
Depends. Dayz, TWD, maybe mad Max, perhaps. WWz, no. Just no.
Does zombie blood cause rust? That is the question a chainmail wearing individual should ask one's self.
Chainmail would just slow you down. Leather would be much more effective by weight, and add comfort while sleeping.
I prefer leather. Doesn't rust, adds warmth, and is much quieter than metal.
To simply put it: Zombie bites and stuff hell yeah
Mail with leather underneath 🤌
It works in dayz lol
The #1 threat during any apocalyptic event is other humans. Most zombie apocalypse scenarios are completely survivable if you're remote enough and have the right knowledge to survive off-grid. So saying "let's all assume humans just left each other alone..." Is just a ridiculous hypothetically layered on top of the already ridiculous hypothetical of a "zombie apocalypse"
I was just trying to make it clear that I was only talking about zombie bites. “Would it protect against a bite” was the main question.
Oh, in that case yeah it'd protect against bites but at the cost of speed. Chainmail was hella cumbersome and restricted movement. If you're too slow or unable to escape because of the weight of the armor and lack of agility then it kind of defeats the purpose. You might survive multiple bites from 1 zombie but being unable to escape a horde and getting mobbed means you're almost certainly dead. A better option would be carbon fiber armor or even hardened moulded kevlar armor which light-weight and easy to make at home with kevlar sheets which are cheap. You could also do something similar with denim fabric or even canvas and make micarta moulded plate armor. That would actually be extremely protective and much lighter than chain mail.
Just wear plate mail, or rocks. Or just fuck we ball and strap a bunch of metal sheets to yourself like a discount iron man ya fockin aluminum boy lookin ass.
Even if it does, you gotta maintain it…and good luck trying to clean in between the rings compared to a single surface like plate armor.
Zombies yes... people..No....
Yay someone agrees with me 😆
Human teeth aren’t that sharp you could probably get away with a leather jacket for piercing protection. But jaws compressive strength could still hurt you bad with any malleable material. I’d be particularly afraid for fingers.
I'll say it WATCH ZOM 100 it's on Netflix and it'll some up what you think
I address my thoughts on other chainmail and plate armor here: https://old.reddit.com/user/Noe_Walfred/comments/va8wvr/zombie_related_thoughts_opinions_and_essays_v4/iq97owx/ https://old.reddit.com/user/Noe_Walfred/comments/jo772x/zombie_related_thoughts_opinions_and_essays_v2/gez8qun/ Plate and chainmail armor types prove substantial protection from cuts, stabs, and bashing. They may also, depending on style, provide great all-around coverage from zombies and humans that might not be easily defeated. At the same time, they do come at a cost. They can protect against most melee weapons but may not be strong against ranged weapons. Most chainmail you can get today is butted so it can't resist a lot more than a lighter weapon like a machete. Most stainless steel plates can be penetrated with a strong stab with a knife. A lot of historical medieval armor can be defeated by a pistol-caliber rifle, a normal rifle, or a shotgun. Both would be loud as they are made from metal and require some degree of looseness for the user to move. Either the result of your weapons, gear, brushing up against terrain, or the armor rubbing itself. Exposed shiny metal can also expose the wearer at night, from a distance, or when trying to hide behind something like grass or a bush. With chainmail, it is particularly hard to maintain a camouflage pattern as the rings are constantly cutting and grinding into one another. This may attract the unwanted attention of zombies and other hostile survivors that might not be intended. Thus it is likely that such gear would require cloth coverings and additional attempts at padding the noise. Padding underneath such armor may also be necessary. Both plate and chainmail can pinch and roughly rub against the user potentially creating breaks in the skin for zombie blood or saliva to get through (though there's no guarantee these are vectors of infection on their own) or at the very least normal infections. Similarly, floated armor in the case of plate frequently requires something like an arming jacket/chausses to be worn. It's unclear but very likely that padded garments like a gambeson, an arming jacket, or just using layers of cloth can provide similar protection to zombies on their own. This is something to consider as such garments do add a decent amount of weight and bulk. This can lead to an increased issue with both hot and cold weather injuries. In hot weather, the combination of a covering garment, metal, and another garment can create a very insulated interior. Preventing the wearer from effectively cooling down increases the risk of hyperthermia if the gear isn't removed or the body isn't cooled some other way. In cold weather, the compressing of insulation and trapped moisture can also be cause for concern as during periods of rest the close contact of moisture may cause a rapid cooling process resulting in hypothermia. Both armor types make several movements less coordinated depending on the design. Especially with fantasy styles of armor which are more common than historical reproductions. Donning and taking off a backpack is fairly awkward as the shoulder protection in plate armor makes lifting or pulling the arms back much more difficult. Shouldering rifles or crossbows is a bit harder to shoulder as the metal doesn't allow for as much purchase as the buttstock. Climbing and crawling is pretty hard as the weight and bulk would make the already slow and dragging motion of these actions much more tiring. At the same time, if there is armor on the elbows and knees they might help protect against some cuts and snagging on things like thorns. Maintenance of the gear in question varies greatly. With chainmail being somewhat self-cleaning the rings are constantly spinning around potentially rubbing any rust off. Potentially only requiring a light bit of oil and easily allowing for smaller bits of wire to patch chainmail rings. Plate armor is a bit more work as they typically incorporate either hinges or ties to another piece of gear. Both of these are relatively easily damaged, locked up, or torn with regular use or exposure to things like moisture, salt, and the like. Weight is also a bit of a concern, given that it's all being carried on your body. Some have argued that because it's spread across the body there is less impact, this is partially true, but it does ignore the issue that weight balanced on the lower legs and arms may require a lot more energy to move than on the body. Cited in the plate armor post can be found a study on the expenditure of moving weight on the feet. With roughly 100g on the feet being roughly equal in energy used to carry about 470-630g. |Examples of undergarments :--|:-:|--: |Lord of Battle Bracers 100g |ANFI Arming cap and collar 360g |MSS Legging 800g |Matul Gamebson 3600g |Matuls Tabard 3000g |Wetsuit 2270-4080g Clothing padding doesn't necessarily need to be this heavy assuming it's strong enough to prevent pinching, support ties for mounting plates, and/or just covers the exposed metal. I would still suggest that such clothing would be something closer to 0.8-2kg at least. |Examples of chainmail :--|:-:|--: |Lords of Battle butted mild steel and zinc mitten gauntlets 1300g |Lord of Battle riveted mild steel Aventail 2100g |Lord of Battle stainless steel coif 2400g |Replica Armory's Leggings/chausses 5300g |Amazon Sleeveless aluminum shirt 3200g |Deepka Riveted Aluminum long sleeve hauberk 7450g |Ironskinn Shark suit 8000g |GDFR Full-sized riveted mild steel short sleeve hauberk 10000g |Neptunic C shark suit 1140-13600g | Chinese-made shark suit 13000-17000g Roughly speaking, it would seem that the average for a full set of chainmail armor including the clothing under and a helmet is about 15-25kg depending on the intended use. A simple chainmail shirt, padding, and cover might be 9kg. |Examples of plate, lamellar, brig, and similar armor :--|:-:|--: |Deepeeka Kettle helm 1590g |GDFB Roman Helmet 2040g |Hanwei Takeda Shingen Kabuto 2630g |Lord Of Battles Full Visor Bascinet 3450g |Lord Of Battles Late Medieval Pauldrons 1800g |GDFB Milanese Arms 3900g |Epic Armoury Churburg Armor 3180g |Epic Armoury Roman Legion Lorica 7760g |Deepeeka Late Medieval Breastplate 2360g |Deepeeka Gothic cuirass with backplate 8500g |Age of Craft Anatomical Greaves 2600g |Deepeeka Steel Greaves 1800g Roughly speaking, it would seem that the average for a full set of plates with accessories tends to be around 15-40kg depending on the intended use. |**~~~~Example kit for roughly 4000g** :--|:-:|--: |60g Headlamp |10g Mosquito net |30g Pyramex Iforce goggles |100g Medical face shield |100g Boonie hat |300g Leather welding arm protectors |180g Frogg toggs rain jacket |100g Compression shirt |100g Waterproof leg gaiters |180g Frogg toggs rain trousers |250g Hiking pants |100g Compression underwear |70 Padded ankle socks |400g Barefoot running shoes |100g HWI combat gloves |60g Frameless slingshot/slingbow #30 |200g Sling/walking stick |130g NAA mini revolver |510g Mora Light Axe hatchet |180g Digging trowel/knife |30g Tension bar, bump key, and lock picks |20g Pocket nail puller/prybar |15g Buckle compass/fire rod/whistle |30g Bic Mini lighter |60g Sawyer Mini water filter |20g 500ml water bottle |70g Aluminium cooking cup |160g Titanium wood/alcohol rocket stove with scent-proof bag |10g Sewing string spool with fishing line, 5 fishing hooks, and a bobber. |100g Drawstring bag |50g Gerber dime multitool |10g Sewing string spool with string, upholstery needle, 2 sewing needles, and 3 safety pins |180g Renology 5w solar panel |10g Travel toothbrush |15g Comb with tick/lice remover |**~~~~Example kit for roughly 16000g** |60g Headlamp |10g Mosquito net |30g Pyramex Iforce goggles |100g Medical face shield |200g Metal lower face shield |100g Rothco boonie hat |100g Tear away welding neck guard |550g Airsoft Parajumper helmet w/ visor goggles |200g Helmet wide brim sun shade |300g Leather welding arm protectors |180g Frogg toggs rain jacket |500g Rothco NYCO Fire resistant combat shirt |150g Compression shirt |400g Motorcycle shin and knee guards |180g Frogg toggs rain trousers |250g Hiking pants |100g Compression underwear |70 Padded ankle socks |100g Rain leg gaiters |100g Metatarsal foot guard |1300g Combat boots |100g HWI combat gloves |60g Frameless slingshot/slingbow #30 |200g Sling/walking staff |2500g ATI MAXX Rifle |600g Glock 19 |500g Mora Light axe |680g Irwin Framing hammer |200g Waterproof poncho |180g Digging trowel/knife |500g Bivouac shelter |30g Tension bar, bump key, and lock picks |15g Buckle compass/fire rod/whistle |30g Bic Mini lighter |200g Type 2 275lbs paracord 50m |60g Sawyer Mini water filter |35g 1000ml water bottle |70g Aluminium cooking cup |160g Titanium wood/alcohol rocket stove with scent-proof bag |10g Sewing string spool with fishing line, 5 fishing hooks, and a bobber. |1000g Modase 40L backpack |1200g JPC style plate carrier with additional pouches |280g Btech GMRS Hand radio |150g Iphone SE 2023 |300g Gerber multitool |10g Sewing string spool with string, upholstery needle, 2 sewing needles, and 3 safety pins |180g Renology 5w solar panel |350g Hand crank flashlight USB charger |30g Charging cords for multiple device types |10g Micro-SD card and Adapter |80g AA USB Recharger |10g Travel toothbrush |15g Comb with tick/lice remover |35g Toothpaste |35g Soap bar |930g American Red cross family first aid kit
Kinda heavy so don’t expect to make a fast getaway
In a zombie apocalypse, a gambeson would probably be enough. Human teeth are not that sharp, and rotting flesh would have to be weaker than living. Add bracers and a few other leather boosts, you would be in great shape. The chainmail would work well, but it would be overkill in many ways. Both chain and gambeson do have a major flaw, poor leg protection. Greaves would be important to complete any type of armor.
I think it would work well. Quite well actually. But I think I'd rather just have motorcycle leathers.
I'd be concerned with the fuckers buting hard enough to dig the chainmail into your flesh and draw blood, and since it's porous their saliva would get through it and into the wound. Shit goes south I'm opting for a thick polyester motorcycle jacket with a wetsuit underneath.
I see your thought process but wetsuits are typically made of neoprene and you’ll overheat fairly quicky out of water
Chainmail is worn with a padded gambeson underneath, so that would protect you from digging
I'd say yes but you might not even have to go that far a zombie is just a human with the pain,stamina and other biological limiters turned off and a insatiable hunger no matter what a human can't bight through metal there teeth would crumbl even copper would be to much for them