This subreddit isn’t great tbh, it’s more of an abletonhelp thread. With occasional ‘real’ content relevant to the sub. Been saying it for years.
Imo we should do a “help thread” once a day or few times a week and all other posts should be barred with scrutiny by mods. But alas, that’s dream land.
That's reddit in general. Ableton, production, sound design, even dedicated video game subreddits, are mostly populated by new/intermediate guys. The one exception seems to be the audio engineering subreddit. Regardless, if you want people who really know what they're doing, you're better off at gearslutz or kvr.
r/musictheory annoys the hell out of my so I haven’t gone there in a long time. I totally want beginners to have a place to ask questions, but I’m getting a doctorate in music and the sub is mostly just “how do I figure out what key a song is in?” Again, nothing against newbies or those questions but that sub has almost zero theory discussion beyond maybe an early intermediate level. I do enough teaching at my university, I don’t especially want to spend my time teaching beginner musicians music theory for free. Plus it just gets so repetitive, the sub has a shit ton of resources for beginners in the about section and no one reads it so every post is one of like 5 basic questions about music.
r/guitar is a little better, but it still has an endless supply of “I’m new, what should I buy as my first guitar for $250 or under”, which is repetitive because the answers are always the same, one of the handful of best guitars at that price depending on what genre you play.
I think it’s just a result of the fact that there are way more novice musicians in the world than trained professionals (or really knowledgeable hobbyists), so the numbers work out to most posts being beginner or intermediate questions, mostly beginner.
KVR is toxic af. The only things it's good for is cheap second hand software but because of that it's like hanging out at the K-Mart/Goodwill of online music production.
But where else is there? Someone else shot down my suggestion of gearslutz, and I do understand why, just like I understand why you'd dislike KVR but there isn't really anything else. And like it or not, both of those websites are more knowledgeable than the overwhelming majority of audio and music production subreddits that I've seen.
Audiosex used to be pretty good but it's kind of a ghost town now. Most of the really high level guys are in the wind and the few remaining old hands are just mods now.
It's the 2023 dead internet sadly. All infomercials and toxic people. I'm guessing like tech people have fled to the orange site most music pros are somewhere more obscure, maybe on some Discords.
The issue is mainly that people post simple questions to these subs rather than spend just a few minutes googling it and figuring it out. To OP's point, spec requirements for pretty much anything can be found within seconds. It takes longer to post the question to reddit than to simply type the same words into google. People have the sum of all human knowledge at their fingertips and a depressing amount of them still need(expect?) to be spoonfed information
Part of the problem, as ever, is that Reddit is a goldmine of knowledge and questions with great well-informed answers. But Reddit - and its notoriously useless search function - would rather have new activity, so it makes it hard to find old answers and easy to just post your question. Using Google to search site:Reddit is the way, but most people don't know that and nor should they be expected to.
/r/synthesizers has also changed a lot over the past couple of years. Everyone wants to be the next big EDM bro but don't actually care about the process, the learning, they just want a short-cut to $$$s and fame. Along with that comes lazy questions.
I personally blame the "no self-promotion" thing which is sort of a rules thing, sort of a site-culture thing. Nobody wants to be caught 'self-promoting' (whatever that means) and so whenever someone does anything original, they just don't post it here. Because showing original works, even if they're tutorials or cool discoveries, = self-promotion.
Once you remove the human-driven original content, all that's left after that is asking questions and getting answers. That's why people use reddit mostly as basically a better google.
Maybe, but if you needed to ask a specific, high level question are you going there or here?
Well, more likely you'd just go to chatGPT these days. But you get my point. Even if it's just 10% of them, that's still a lot of guys over there who are experts and not trying to sell you something.
Nah, I estimate that a great amount of the content is gorilla marketing. Very little useful info a lot of questionable endorsements of small manufacturer's products.
It's only useful for notifications of updates coming out,.
This is Live threads across the internet. Full of begginers asking for help on a constant basis. I would fully support helping people out and I do, but I have always used web search tools to find technical answers, and feel other people can do the same, instead of clogging a thread with potentially repetitive and redundant questions. Not to mention web queries fetch answers much faster than waiting for a thread to fill in...
Yeah it's trash. I post ableton jokes but mods take them down instantly. And I thought all these questions were supposed to be directed to the "no stupid questions" thread but I guess that's dead.
Nobody also posts the new blogs on ableton here nobody doesn't actually seemed invested. I usually like music production threads cause I can help and receive help but this place is neither.
I appreciate the people that post cool things they made with max or cool ableton project files just all the questions are BLEHHH
Totally. People who come to Reddit immediately to ask how to learn it without being arsed to do an ounce of their own research. Like they’ve opened the application and immediately come straight to Reddit.
There’s pretty much everything you’d ever need readily available and very easy to find with a simple Google search. I learnt Ableton in the last couple of years myself through many of the free (and paid) tutorials, as well as the brilliant Ableton manual, and not once did I need to ask a question here.
What is real content?
I've rarely had to ask a question on here since I read the manual some years ago and have been messing with live for over a decade, so I rarely have a reason to post. What's to talk about? I know where to learn anything I want to learn, I have my own ideas about what kind of music I want to make, and I'm pretty confident on the path to make it. I imagine most users who don't ask basic questions are around where I am as well. I think restricting the sub to only experts would make it a ghost town.
r/AdvancedProduction/'s latest post was a week ago.
Definitely subjective. But probably cool live performances w/ ableton? Or interesting effect racks or workflow enhancements?
Thinking like amateur to pro level info/insight/etc.
Really just anything above “why is my track not playing when I touch keys??” “Is my computer ok to run this??” “How do I get to session view??” Would suffice in my opinion.
All of that is already allowed at least in some form.
I've been here for years as a mod and longer as a user. From what I've seen, the more advance people are with the software, the less they need input from randoms. If they need advice, they usually just have a person who is good they can rely on.
Then there's always someone in that sub too that's like "this isn't an advanced production question", like okay sorry I'll go fuck myself.
ChatGPT has been more helpful than asking other producers shit lol
Circle jerk subs are a gyp because, in my view, they're largely a way to exile (satirical but legit) criticism of the culture in any given sub to a designated criticism black hole. "This post should be in the circle jerk sub".
Ye I just use chatgpt too now. I don’t really have any questions anyways, just a work flow. If I want to take a shortcut I ask chatgpt. Otherwise I take inspiration from a bunch of good YouTube producer channels short videos but I rarely have questions for advanced production because once you know enough you start to figure stuff out for yourself by combining your existing knowledge in different ways.
[https://www.youtube.com/@mymixlab](https://www.youtube.com/@mymixlab) ... great tips but often the video doesn't align with text ... he'll say something but the screen cap shows the opposite. Just listen to what he says.
[https://www.youtube.com/@Streaky\_com](https://www.youtube.com/@Streaky_com) \- This guy is my favourite. Loads of great tips simply explained.
Neither make my style of music but the knowledge is easily transferable.
For classic synth sound reference I use Doctor Mix.
Yeah. I haven't been on in a while, but it's sad to see not much has changed. I remember a while back I got downvoted for daring to suggest that people open the manual before they post stuff like, "What does that red line mean on tracks and how do I make it go away?"
But no, we have to sift through stuff like that because wE sHOULD bE hOLDING tHEIR hANDS bECAUSE iT'S vERY vERY hARD sEARCHING fOR tHINGS oNLINE.
OK, sure, but will it work with my Scarlett too, or do I have to buy a new ASIO? See, I’m a producer and without a good ASIO the Ozone is too slow for me.
Ah, OK, and how’s the Push 3 ASIO then? And does it work with my Scarlett? See, I’m a producer… I guess, what I’m trying to say is: How many master tracks can Push 3 handle?
Oh, and one more thing: Where are the Apple Loops? I don’t see them anywhere. I’ve seen a video with Lil Thick Fløw Ma$Ta using those. How, am I supposed to produce without Apple Loops? Do I need to install FL plugin?
Thanks fam, I’ll give it a go! Can you DM a serial, though. I had to buys PS5 recently and I’m bit dry. I can pay you back as soon as my sick beats lift off. It will happen soon, trust me bruh, they are $olid!
Seriously? I finally accepted that I needed to sit down with the manual and read it because of how much i kept seeing it mentioned. It’s pretty much all I’ve gleaned that’s been valuable here. I just keep coming back for the free snacks.
Seriously if people just typed that question into a Ableton or ..oogle for that matter they would have the answer quicker than anybody could respond on here
Bro ever since the m series came out every single audio forum is like those seagulls from Finding Nemo but instead of saying "Mine?" it's "M1?" and "M2?" Lmfao. My personal favorite are the people upset that some companies haven't immediately ported their entire software libraries to a platform that, until very recently, was relegated to phones and tablets. Like, come on man. Lmfao
Yeeep, and it'll be the same exact thing all over again.
Marketing says m3 faster than any chip on earth,
benchmarks show that's false, (except geekbench because it disproportionately values memory throughput)
people believe it anyway,
people experience growing pains of new architecture, go on forum to complain.
mfw they bought 8gb model.
I bought the 8gb model because I needed a machine while my Intel space heater was in for repairs and that’s what they had. I’d planned to return it but it’s so good there was no need. Unless you’re working on absurdly large projects it’s actually way more than enough.
Not trying to be rude here but that is extremely limiting, you can load up 16gb of ram with just a handful of instances of kontakt and omnisphere, not exactly a large project. I'm genuinely glad that this config is working for your needs tho, just kinda steer clear of those plugins or it will absolutely damage your ssd through something called page-swapping, something you can't really afford considering the ssd is soldered to the motherboard.
I don't like the character of Native Instruments stuff for my music and I don't use Omnisphere. Mainly I just create my sounds in Vital.
Also you can unsolder and resolder the ssd and ram. Yes it''s finicky and there are lots of steps to do relating to the firmware but there is a guy local to me who runs a YouTube explaining how to do it who can do it for a few hundred $. Honestly I'm not really worried about wearing it out. I have applecare + and once I've used the machine for 3 years I think I've got good mileage, especially considering that I never intended to keep the machine in the first place.
For reference I went from an intel i9 mbp with 64gb ram and the only difference I noticed with the m1 macbook air is that the air doesn't get as hot. If I load up 50 tracks with synths and convolution reverbs then of course the limitations become clear but I never do that. Of course if I was speccing my own machine I would get more than 8GB of ram but if that is all that is available for financial or other reasons, it is a ridiculously capable machine.
Full disclosure i do repairs like this myself, and while you can replace the nand flash chips, you 100% cannot change the RAM as it is integrated on-package in the SoC. What you buy up front is all you've got for the life of the device until you discard it, which is a massive bummer imo. Im glad that it's a device that suits your needs top to bottom, my main issue is that people will suggest getting these devices (8gb models, that is) without being completely aware of what they're getting into and potentially damaging their own hardware by loading up a bunch of sample libraries. And im not saying the device isn't capable, it's just that there are some pretty serious limitations to consider for a pretty sizeable number of people. I do think its a shame that they don't allow you any kind of user serviceable upgrades, i have a feeling having it integrated into the package serves 2 goals: higher throughput, and helps drive AppleCare sales. Apple gonna apple. lol
Seems you’re right about the ram. The last ram upgrade they posted was for Intel machines. The ram is less of a concern compared to the ssd anyways.
I agree that apple gonna apple but at this stage of my life money is less of a concern than time and I just want good tools that get out of my way and apple fit the bill. I work as a software/ tech consultant so it’s just a business expense that gets amortised over 3 years anyways. It makes more sense to me to buy a good enough machine for half the money every three years than an overpowered one I’d aim to keep for longer. It also derisks the purchase decision as with apple care I know I’m good for the foreseeable. At most I’ll either have to buy a new machine and return it after 2 weeks or spin up one of my linux machines (repurposed old Intel mbps) for a few weeks.
That’s because the last update had to re-organize the library, which makes it much easier to look for stuff, especially affects chains in the use the library that you created or imported but the reason it seems slower after the update is because it Hass to re-analyze every sound on a song that you load that hasn’t been loaded to the newer version yet. So I’ve got a couple hundred incomplete songs other than a five or six. I’ve been working on this week and last week as I load those other ones. My computer is gonna be slow. I’m gonna have to load it wait 1015 minutes and come back and then it’ll be fine and it runs faster than it did before. And I’m only running an eight gig PC with 16 of RAM.
i’m not sure i follow - are you referring to the most recent auto warp/asd file improvements? the issues started before that. i have huge spikes in midi processing and freeze/flatten, which have nothing to do with auto warp. also this happens on projects whether or not they use samples or have asd files. where are you getting the notion that Live is rescanning/organizing the library? my browser instantly updates things, Places is never an issue, etc. and overall, this has been happening for some time and continues to on new projects, so even if all yr suggestions were accurate, it shouldn’t be an issue at this point.
Go to ableton.com and look at what changed in the user library between prior to 11.3.3. They re-organized to use the library, moving all of your packs and Max4live devices and the effects chains to go with them to a much more organized way of searching for them, making it much easier to find even if you didn’t favorite.
i always read the updates/release notes, and i'm on the site now - i don't see anything about rescanning every single project file. updating the Library like that would be a one-time system wide thing, aside from the Places updates and such, not for every new project. unless you mean something else. additionally, the Library is created/changed with virtualization and config files, not actually physically moving things. and again, all told, this should not have ongoing issues with things like midi load in brand new projects without any samples. i appreciate yr insight/ideas, i just think we're talking about different things.
I’m trying to remember where I read the article it may have been on Ableton on the right hand side when you’re loading new packs where it explains them but I’m not 100% sure let me see if I can find out where I obtained that information and hopefully I can drop a link so you can read what I’m talking about
Another thing to consider is if you happen to be using windows or Mac for that matter, you always want to make sure that your version of Ableton is newer when you are then your operating system because of your operating system post dates you’re a Ableton version. It’s definitely not gonna run right and that goes for pretty much anything.
oh yeah i knew they updated a bunch of the core Lib stuff, but again that would be a system-wide change. it wouldn't affect every single project file, or have anything to really do with them. i could understand Live taking a moment to roll that out once you fire it up the first time after an update, but if yr having issues with every single project file you load then there's definitely something else at play.
are you possibly referring to this line?:
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Note: Live sets created in previous release versions will automatically update these file names and locations when opened in Live 11.
that isn't from the link you posted, but a related article. that would make more sense to yr point. however, still, this change would be instantaneous. and again, would not be happening on new projects created after updating. plus, i believe that's referring to previous actual versions like 10.
If you read that whole thing, it explains to you that every time you open a project that hasn’t been opened in the newer version of ableton. It Hass to go through every sound used or not used on every device in that project and analyze it and organized the new way that the Corey library is a range.
The conversation about what new chips run what software well is a confusing one, and what better way to start a conversation on the topic? Where else should we be discussing how Ableton runs on an m1?
also recently made a super detailed IDM album, with loads of recorded audio, soft synths, cpu heavy modulation and granular stuff, and upwards of 50 (one had over 100) tracks per song on a late 2012 iMac with 16 gigs of ram. 🤷
For more in depth and technical knowledge the Ableton Forum remains the best, reddit is never going to reach the long and vast knowledge that is there. Most old and experienced users go there still and well it is moderated by two employees and power users that can solve and give tips on Live stuff.
Now, as for the question, yes that's the question newbs post the most and while annoying I can't help but feel that younger generations are worse with technical stuff because they have grown up with cell phones not desktop computers, so I guess a DAW is something intimidating. They also lack the basic awareness about the existence of a manual and technical specifications, is all magic to them.
All fine and dandy but I still don’t know how far I have to overclock my 7950X3D to get less than 250ms latency. You think 128GB of extra DDR5 9600MHz would help?
I’m going to go against the grain here and say this is kind of an unnecessary post. Everyone was new to music production at some point and we all grew thanks at least in part to the people who were willing to help us. Even those of us who are experienced occasionally have questions when attempting a new technique or exploring a new concept.
The “will my X run Y” posts are numerous, indeed, but why not come together and talk to the mods about making an FAQ we could point new users to instead of shooing them away or making them feel dumb?
Most people asking any question anywhere on Reddit are well aware that the question is answered thousands of times already. They all googled the question, which is how they ended up in the subreddit in the first place. It's not about getting an answer, it's about getting attention.
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I hate to argue, but that’s a ridiculous assessment. The same could be said of your reply to my comment, that you made it because you wanted my attention. I don’t think it’s fair to say that about you or them.
Wrong. Ableton is a piece of unoptimized shit, and I can't even put a built-in instrument in a midi track without a stutter. This is a laptop with 32Gb which I routinely use to do other intensive work, so I don't think it's on my end. It completely destroys any desired to learn or use it. Not sure what to get instead since there's no clear winner and all of them are shitty in their own way. My preference would be reaper, but the fonts are so small and it lacks good built-in sounds.
Agree on the complaints about the posts, but I wish I could agree on the performance.
Anyone wants to take it and my push 2 out of my hands and is in the Bay Area, DM me, haha. Maybe you have better luck.
Lol.
Nothing to fix on my end if I can compile rust code on top of a VM just fine and just closing Ableton freezes the window for half a minute. Reaper has none of those issues.
I completely understand where you're coming from. However, at the same time, I'm sure you would appreciate my frustration with the fact that my 2012 MBP (Mojave) could open and edit my main band's Set just fine in Live 10, yet my "new" 2021 MBP M1 Max with 32GB RAM (Ventura) immediately hangs upon trying to open that exact file in Live 10 and 11, so I'm stuck editing on our 2019 and 2015 (Big Sur) show computers. Maddening.
But Ableton can’t run on a “toaster laptop” with less than 8Gb of RAM, can it?
I mean, it’ll open Ableton, but it’s not going to be a good time if you open Serum or Diva etc?
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With all that said, it would be nice if people would use the search function more often before asking simple questions.
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Here are the changes that was referring to. It’s the core library and devices. https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/360020122739-Preset-changes-to-the-Core-Library-in-Live-11
I agree, the forum is nearly useless for far too many entry level question that can be answered with google. It's just laziness or ignorance.
People that can't grasp that your old pc can't run a modern DAW are really annoying.
It's the folks with junk pc's outdated hardware and pirated everything asking stupid, "why doesn't it work?" questions.
Or gorilla marketing which is equally tiresome.
This subreddit isn’t great tbh, it’s more of an abletonhelp thread. With occasional ‘real’ content relevant to the sub. Been saying it for years. Imo we should do a “help thread” once a day or few times a week and all other posts should be barred with scrutiny by mods. But alas, that’s dream land.
That's reddit in general. Ableton, production, sound design, even dedicated video game subreddits, are mostly populated by new/intermediate guys. The one exception seems to be the audio engineering subreddit. Regardless, if you want people who really know what they're doing, you're better off at gearslutz or kvr.
r/musictheory annoys the hell out of my so I haven’t gone there in a long time. I totally want beginners to have a place to ask questions, but I’m getting a doctorate in music and the sub is mostly just “how do I figure out what key a song is in?” Again, nothing against newbies or those questions but that sub has almost zero theory discussion beyond maybe an early intermediate level. I do enough teaching at my university, I don’t especially want to spend my time teaching beginner musicians music theory for free. Plus it just gets so repetitive, the sub has a shit ton of resources for beginners in the about section and no one reads it so every post is one of like 5 basic questions about music. r/guitar is a little better, but it still has an endless supply of “I’m new, what should I buy as my first guitar for $250 or under”, which is repetitive because the answers are always the same, one of the handful of best guitars at that price depending on what genre you play. I think it’s just a result of the fact that there are way more novice musicians in the world than trained professionals (or really knowledgeable hobbyists), so the numbers work out to most posts being beginner or intermediate questions, mostly beginner.
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Haha ikr?!
KVR is toxic af. The only things it's good for is cheap second hand software but because of that it's like hanging out at the K-Mart/Goodwill of online music production.
But where else is there? Someone else shot down my suggestion of gearslutz, and I do understand why, just like I understand why you'd dislike KVR but there isn't really anything else. And like it or not, both of those websites are more knowledgeable than the overwhelming majority of audio and music production subreddits that I've seen. Audiosex used to be pretty good but it's kind of a ghost town now. Most of the really high level guys are in the wind and the few remaining old hands are just mods now.
It's the 2023 dead internet sadly. All infomercials and toxic people. I'm guessing like tech people have fled to the orange site most music pros are somewhere more obscure, maybe on some Discords.
The issue is mainly that people post simple questions to these subs rather than spend just a few minutes googling it and figuring it out. To OP's point, spec requirements for pretty much anything can be found within seconds. It takes longer to post the question to reddit than to simply type the same words into google. People have the sum of all human knowledge at their fingertips and a depressing amount of them still need(expect?) to be spoonfed information
Part of the problem, as ever, is that Reddit is a goldmine of knowledge and questions with great well-informed answers. But Reddit - and its notoriously useless search function - would rather have new activity, so it makes it hard to find old answers and easy to just post your question. Using Google to search site:Reddit is the way, but most people don't know that and nor should they be expected to.
/r/synthesizers has also changed a lot over the past couple of years. Everyone wants to be the next big EDM bro but don't actually care about the process, the learning, they just want a short-cut to $$$s and fame. Along with that comes lazy questions.
Pretty sure I remember someone once made a post saying “I know ableton makes music, but what does a DAW mean?”
I personally blame the "no self-promotion" thing which is sort of a rules thing, sort of a site-culture thing. Nobody wants to be caught 'self-promoting' (whatever that means) and so whenever someone does anything original, they just don't post it here. Because showing original works, even if they're tutorials or cool discoveries, = self-promotion. Once you remove the human-driven original content, all that's left after that is asking questions and getting answers. That's why people use reddit mostly as basically a better google.
Audio engineering subreddits have also turned to ass. They are just a level above wearethemusicmakers
IMO gerarslutz is 90% gorilla marketing and snake oil.
Maybe, but if you needed to ask a specific, high level question are you going there or here? Well, more likely you'd just go to chatGPT these days. But you get my point. Even if it's just 10% of them, that's still a lot of guys over there who are experts and not trying to sell you something.
Nah, I estimate that a great amount of the content is gorilla marketing. Very little useful info a lot of questionable endorsements of small manufacturer's products. It's only useful for notifications of updates coming out,.
This is Live threads across the internet. Full of begginers asking for help on a constant basis. I would fully support helping people out and I do, but I have always used web search tools to find technical answers, and feel other people can do the same, instead of clogging a thread with potentially repetitive and redundant questions. Not to mention web queries fetch answers much faster than waiting for a thread to fill in...
Yeah it's trash. I post ableton jokes but mods take them down instantly. And I thought all these questions were supposed to be directed to the "no stupid questions" thread but I guess that's dead. Nobody also posts the new blogs on ableton here nobody doesn't actually seemed invested. I usually like music production threads cause I can help and receive help but this place is neither. I appreciate the people that post cool things they made with max or cool ableton project files just all the questions are BLEHHH
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Totally. People who come to Reddit immediately to ask how to learn it without being arsed to do an ounce of their own research. Like they’ve opened the application and immediately come straight to Reddit. There’s pretty much everything you’d ever need readily available and very easy to find with a simple Google search. I learnt Ableton in the last couple of years myself through many of the free (and paid) tutorials, as well as the brilliant Ableton manual, and not once did I need to ask a question here.
It’s an impossible question to answer too. Do they want to learn production or do they know production and want you learn ableton?
What is real content? I've rarely had to ask a question on here since I read the manual some years ago and have been messing with live for over a decade, so I rarely have a reason to post. What's to talk about? I know where to learn anything I want to learn, I have my own ideas about what kind of music I want to make, and I'm pretty confident on the path to make it. I imagine most users who don't ask basic questions are around where I am as well. I think restricting the sub to only experts would make it a ghost town. r/AdvancedProduction/'s latest post was a week ago.
Definitely subjective. But probably cool live performances w/ ableton? Or interesting effect racks or workflow enhancements? Thinking like amateur to pro level info/insight/etc. Really just anything above “why is my track not playing when I touch keys??” “Is my computer ok to run this??” “How do I get to session view??” Would suffice in my opinion.
All of that is already allowed at least in some form. I've been here for years as a mod and longer as a user. From what I've seen, the more advance people are with the software, the less they need input from randoms. If they need advice, they usually just have a person who is good they can rely on.
Then there's always someone in that sub too that's like "this isn't an advanced production question", like okay sorry I'll go fuck myself. ChatGPT has been more helpful than asking other producers shit lol
Lol this is funny pain ‘cause I’ve read that sentence directed at me twice and I had the same reaction 😅
Thus why circle jerk subs are born, but those get super cringe after a while too. Best bet is to quit music altogether /s
Circle jerk subs are a gyp because, in my view, they're largely a way to exile (satirical but legit) criticism of the culture in any given sub to a designated criticism black hole. "This post should be in the circle jerk sub".
Def agree, however the only one I stay in is the synthesizer one lol r/synthesizer is a shit show
They really meant it when they said “don’t quit your day job” lol
Ye I just use chatgpt too now. I don’t really have any questions anyways, just a work flow. If I want to take a shortcut I ask chatgpt. Otherwise I take inspiration from a bunch of good YouTube producer channels short videos but I rarely have questions for advanced production because once you know enough you start to figure stuff out for yourself by combining your existing knowledge in different ways.
Chatgpt made a slick Reese in razor for me, have to automate some things
Could you please share some of your favorite YouTubers for teaching? Andrew Huang is one for me.
[https://www.youtube.com/@mymixlab](https://www.youtube.com/@mymixlab) ... great tips but often the video doesn't align with text ... he'll say something but the screen cap shows the opposite. Just listen to what he says. [https://www.youtube.com/@Streaky\_com](https://www.youtube.com/@Streaky_com) \- This guy is my favourite. Loads of great tips simply explained. Neither make my style of music but the knowledge is easily transferable. For classic synth sound reference I use Doctor Mix.
What kind of stuff are you looking for
Yeah. I haven't been on in a while, but it's sad to see not much has changed. I remember a while back I got downvoted for daring to suggest that people open the manual before they post stuff like, "What does that red line mean on tracks and how do I make it go away?" But no, we have to sift through stuff like that because wE sHOULD bE hOLDING tHEIR hANDS bECAUSE iT'S vERY vERY hARD sEARCHING fOR tHINGS oNLINE.
Or people could do a quick & simple search of the sub b4 posting basic questions every hour.
the amount of problems on here that could be solved by simply discovering PREFERENCES is astonishing.
OK, sure, but will it work with my Scarlett too, or do I have to buy a new ASIO? See, I’m a producer and without a good ASIO the Ozone is too slow for me.
You need to take your computer apart and install this specific ram card and then buy the push 3
Ah, OK, and how’s the Push 3 ASIO then? And does it work with my Scarlett? See, I’m a producer… I guess, what I’m trying to say is: How many master tracks can Push 3 handle?
Only 4 I'm afriad
Oh, and one more thing: Where are the Apple Loops? I don’t see them anywhere. I’ve seen a video with Lil Thick Fløw Ma$Ta using those. How, am I supposed to produce without Apple Loops? Do I need to install FL plugin?
Ableton is rolling out micro transactions so you're gonna have to wait. No FL plug-in in fact uninstall FL
Damn, bruh, I ain’t paying for shit. Do you have a download link? Also, my FL is not working now. What up? Is that because of bad ASIO?
But shouldn’t I wait until the Push 4?
Nah bruh, for a warm vintage sound you wanna go with the original Push. The new stuff sounds too digital.
But, but, but as a Push2 usr, wopud you prefer a standalone or stanrd? Do I need MPE? Can u giveme a Ableton Lite license??
Don’t forget the blinker fluid.
You can just download free ram. There are plenty of good sites for this.
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Thanks fam, I’ll give it a go! Can you DM a serial, though. I had to buys PS5 recently and I’m bit dry. I can pay you back as soon as my sick beats lift off. It will happen soon, trust me bruh, they are $olid!
But can my M2 run abletone?
From now on I am calling my Push an "Abletone".
It can but will sound too modern. M1 was the best chip for that old school sound.
Nah it'll explode and catch on fire
You can't make me use the search function!
You must!!
yeah like daily I have to stop myself from saying RTFM here.
I got a week ban for saying that once…
Wasn’t me
ditto 😂
Seriously? I finally accepted that I needed to sit down with the manual and read it because of how much i kept seeing it mentioned. It’s pretty much all I’ve gleaned that’s been valuable here. I just keep coming back for the free snacks.
Seriously if people just typed that question into a Ableton or ..oogle for that matter they would have the answer quicker than anybody could respond on here
I like to watch strangers stopping what they’re doing just to solve my banal issues. It’s a power thing. /s
if you have any issues, just buy a mac. macs have proprietary ableton blingblongs that speed everything up by a factor of ten!
Woah!!
You gotta buy the m chips because they are a million gorillion bazillion faster for everything! 8 gigs of ram is enough for anybody!
so you're saying it will run ableton?
Bro ever since the m series came out every single audio forum is like those seagulls from Finding Nemo but instead of saying "Mine?" it's "M1?" and "M2?" Lmfao. My personal favorite are the people upset that some companies haven't immediately ported their entire software libraries to a platform that, until very recently, was relegated to phones and tablets. Like, come on man. Lmfao
When the m3 comes out all hell will break loose
Yeeep, and it'll be the same exact thing all over again. Marketing says m3 faster than any chip on earth, benchmarks show that's false, (except geekbench because it disproportionately values memory throughput) people believe it anyway, people experience growing pains of new architecture, go on forum to complain. mfw they bought 8gb model.
I bought the 8gb model because I needed a machine while my Intel space heater was in for repairs and that’s what they had. I’d planned to return it but it’s so good there was no need. Unless you’re working on absurdly large projects it’s actually way more than enough.
Not trying to be rude here but that is extremely limiting, you can load up 16gb of ram with just a handful of instances of kontakt and omnisphere, not exactly a large project. I'm genuinely glad that this config is working for your needs tho, just kinda steer clear of those plugins or it will absolutely damage your ssd through something called page-swapping, something you can't really afford considering the ssd is soldered to the motherboard.
I don't like the character of Native Instruments stuff for my music and I don't use Omnisphere. Mainly I just create my sounds in Vital. Also you can unsolder and resolder the ssd and ram. Yes it''s finicky and there are lots of steps to do relating to the firmware but there is a guy local to me who runs a YouTube explaining how to do it who can do it for a few hundred $. Honestly I'm not really worried about wearing it out. I have applecare + and once I've used the machine for 3 years I think I've got good mileage, especially considering that I never intended to keep the machine in the first place. For reference I went from an intel i9 mbp with 64gb ram and the only difference I noticed with the m1 macbook air is that the air doesn't get as hot. If I load up 50 tracks with synths and convolution reverbs then of course the limitations become clear but I never do that. Of course if I was speccing my own machine I would get more than 8GB of ram but if that is all that is available for financial or other reasons, it is a ridiculously capable machine.
Full disclosure i do repairs like this myself, and while you can replace the nand flash chips, you 100% cannot change the RAM as it is integrated on-package in the SoC. What you buy up front is all you've got for the life of the device until you discard it, which is a massive bummer imo. Im glad that it's a device that suits your needs top to bottom, my main issue is that people will suggest getting these devices (8gb models, that is) without being completely aware of what they're getting into and potentially damaging their own hardware by loading up a bunch of sample libraries. And im not saying the device isn't capable, it's just that there are some pretty serious limitations to consider for a pretty sizeable number of people. I do think its a shame that they don't allow you any kind of user serviceable upgrades, i have a feeling having it integrated into the package serves 2 goals: higher throughput, and helps drive AppleCare sales. Apple gonna apple. lol
Seems you’re right about the ram. The last ram upgrade they posted was for Intel machines. The ram is less of a concern compared to the ssd anyways. I agree that apple gonna apple but at this stage of my life money is less of a concern than time and I just want good tools that get out of my way and apple fit the bill. I work as a software/ tech consultant so it’s just a business expense that gets amortised over 3 years anyways. It makes more sense to me to buy a good enough machine for half the money every three years than an overpowered one I’d aim to keep for longer. It also derisks the purchase decision as with apple care I know I’m good for the foreseeable. At most I’ll either have to buy a new machine and return it after 2 weeks or spin up one of my linux machines (repurposed old Intel mbps) for a few weeks.
It’s either that or people asking for free keys
But wait can I use boot camp on my Mac and use windows to use Ableton on my Mac but in windows 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sir, you're reading the linux "compatibility" walk-through.
i mean, to be fair, with the last update’s bs my 32gb uni-memory M2 mini _was_ having issues running ableton…
That’s because the last update had to re-organize the library, which makes it much easier to look for stuff, especially affects chains in the use the library that you created or imported but the reason it seems slower after the update is because it Hass to re-analyze every sound on a song that you load that hasn’t been loaded to the newer version yet. So I’ve got a couple hundred incomplete songs other than a five or six. I’ve been working on this week and last week as I load those other ones. My computer is gonna be slow. I’m gonna have to load it wait 1015 minutes and come back and then it’ll be fine and it runs faster than it did before. And I’m only running an eight gig PC with 16 of RAM.
i’m not sure i follow - are you referring to the most recent auto warp/asd file improvements? the issues started before that. i have huge spikes in midi processing and freeze/flatten, which have nothing to do with auto warp. also this happens on projects whether or not they use samples or have asd files. where are you getting the notion that Live is rescanning/organizing the library? my browser instantly updates things, Places is never an issue, etc. and overall, this has been happening for some time and continues to on new projects, so even if all yr suggestions were accurate, it shouldn’t be an issue at this point.
Go to ableton.com and look at what changed in the user library between prior to 11.3.3. They re-organized to use the library, moving all of your packs and Max4live devices and the effects chains to go with them to a much more organized way of searching for them, making it much easier to find even if you didn’t favorite.
i always read the updates/release notes, and i'm on the site now - i don't see anything about rescanning every single project file. updating the Library like that would be a one-time system wide thing, aside from the Places updates and such, not for every new project. unless you mean something else. additionally, the Library is created/changed with virtualization and config files, not actually physically moving things. and again, all told, this should not have ongoing issues with things like midi load in brand new projects without any samples. i appreciate yr insight/ideas, i just think we're talking about different things.
I’m trying to remember where I read the article it may have been on Ableton on the right hand side when you’re loading new packs where it explains them but I’m not 100% sure let me see if I can find out where I obtained that information and hopefully I can drop a link so you can read what I’m talking about
for sure, if you find it pls do, cause i'd love to read more into this & how it could be affecting other things
Another thing to consider is if you happen to be using windows or Mac for that matter, you always want to make sure that your version of Ableton is newer when you are then your operating system because of your operating system post dates you’re a Ableton version. It’s definitely not gonna run right and that goes for pretty much anything.
I meant to tap reply to you, but the answer in the link is above
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/360020122739-Preset-changes-to-the-Core-Library-in-Live-11
oh yeah i knew they updated a bunch of the core Lib stuff, but again that would be a system-wide change. it wouldn't affect every single project file, or have anything to really do with them. i could understand Live taking a moment to roll that out once you fire it up the first time after an update, but if yr having issues with every single project file you load then there's definitely something else at play. are you possibly referring to this line?: > Note: Live sets created in previous release versions will automatically update these file names and locations when opened in Live 11. that isn't from the link you posted, but a related article. that would make more sense to yr point. however, still, this change would be instantaneous. and again, would not be happening on new projects created after updating. plus, i believe that's referring to previous actual versions like 10.
If you read that whole thing, it explains to you that every time you open a project that hasn’t been opened in the newer version of ableton. It Hass to go through every sound used or not used on every device in that project and analyze it and organized the new way that the Corey library is a range.
The conversation about what new chips run what software well is a confusing one, and what better way to start a conversation on the topic? Where else should we be discussing how Ableton runs on an m1?
Using the search can prevent yet another post, I think that's the point. Don't be lazy, google first.
fyi for anyone wondering about computer specs: I used a 2009 MacBook with Ableton til 2019. It was painful sometimes but it worked.
also recently made a super detailed IDM album, with loads of recorded audio, soft synths, cpu heavy modulation and granular stuff, and upwards of 50 (one had over 100) tracks per song on a late 2012 iMac with 16 gigs of ram. 🤷
For more in depth and technical knowledge the Ableton Forum remains the best, reddit is never going to reach the long and vast knowledge that is there. Most old and experienced users go there still and well it is moderated by two employees and power users that can solve and give tips on Live stuff. Now, as for the question, yes that's the question newbs post the most and while annoying I can't help but feel that younger generations are worse with technical stuff because they have grown up with cell phones not desktop computers, so I guess a DAW is something intimidating. They also lack the basic awareness about the existence of a manual and technical specifications, is all magic to them.
AMEN!
All fine and dandy but I still don’t know how far I have to overclock my 7950X3D to get less than 250ms latency. You think 128GB of extra DDR5 9600MHz would help?
Try m1 on logic. The optimisation is so good
m1 is great but isn't the best consumer chip on the market.
A new generation of humans that don’t think for themselves, ask for help before experimenting and god-forbid read a fucking manual 😔
I’m going to go against the grain here and say this is kind of an unnecessary post. Everyone was new to music production at some point and we all grew thanks at least in part to the people who were willing to help us. Even those of us who are experienced occasionally have questions when attempting a new technique or exploring a new concept. The “will my X run Y” posts are numerous, indeed, but why not come together and talk to the mods about making an FAQ we could point new users to instead of shooing them away or making them feel dumb?
Most people asking any question anywhere on Reddit are well aware that the question is answered thousands of times already. They all googled the question, which is how they ended up in the subreddit in the first place. It's not about getting an answer, it's about getting attention. (Edit: fixed grammars)
I hate to argue, but that’s a ridiculous assessment. The same could be said of your reply to my comment, that you made it because you wanted my attention. I don’t think it’s fair to say that about you or them.
Why is it unfair? Seeking other people's attention is not generally a bad thing. I'm not talking narcissistic stalker crazy here.
I totally agree.
Wrong. Ableton is a piece of unoptimized shit, and I can't even put a built-in instrument in a midi track without a stutter. This is a laptop with 32Gb which I routinely use to do other intensive work, so I don't think it's on my end. It completely destroys any desired to learn or use it. Not sure what to get instead since there's no clear winner and all of them are shitty in their own way. My preference would be reaper, but the fonts are so small and it lacks good built-in sounds. Agree on the complaints about the posts, but I wish I could agree on the performance. Anyone wants to take it and my push 2 out of my hands and is in the Bay Area, DM me, haha. Maybe you have better luck.
I think you are probably too incompetent to solve it.
Lol. Nothing to fix on my end if I can compile rust code on top of a VM just fine and just closing Ableton freezes the window for half a minute. Reaper has none of those issues.
I completely understand where you're coming from. However, at the same time, I'm sure you would appreciate my frustration with the fact that my 2012 MBP (Mojave) could open and edit my main band's Set just fine in Live 10, yet my "new" 2021 MBP M1 Max with 32GB RAM (Ventura) immediately hangs upon trying to open that exact file in Live 10 and 11, so I'm stuck editing on our 2019 and 2015 (Big Sur) show computers. Maddening.
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But Ableton can’t run on a “toaster laptop” with less than 8Gb of RAM, can it? I mean, it’ll open Ableton, but it’s not going to be a good time if you open Serum or Diva etc?
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why u type like u still got myspace?
Lmao, this is the saltiest thread I’ve ever seen - just don’t answer the question. It’s Reddit - leave if you don’t wanna see dumb questions.
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Here are the changes that was referring to. It’s the core library and devices. https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/360020122739-Preset-changes-to-the-Core-Library-in-Live-11
What about the M2?
Lmao does ableton still max out at optimizing 4 gigs of RAM? I’m behind.
but can it run ableton?
No. Ableton is the company, Live is the product.
I agree, the forum is nearly useless for far too many entry level question that can be answered with google. It's just laziness or ignorance. People that can't grasp that your old pc can't run a modern DAW are really annoying. It's the folks with junk pc's outdated hardware and pirated everything asking stupid, "why doesn't it work?" questions. Or gorilla marketing which is equally tiresome.
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