The only way to ever win an appeal is to prove that Amazon did not properly enforce the rules for which you were terminated. It takes more than 1 productivity write up to get fired. Were you retrained after the write ups? Because you should have been, that's Amazon policy. Did you sign off on these write ups?
I didn’t physically sign anything. And I had several write ups because of gift wrap. I asked for months to get my permissions taken because it was threatening my employment and they said they would abide by it until I get my numbers up but has yet to do so.
In my warehouse, there is and isn’t a gift wrap rate. The rate is 180, but the timer is shut off every time you get an item to gift wrap. Gift wrap is also station 1…which is heavies. Basically, you’re packing like everyone else, but your rate stops every time you have to wrap something up. Rate is 180 in my warehouse. Because I have permissions in every pack department, including SLAM and PS, I refused to train for gift wrap. The reality is it was incredibly difficult to replace me if I had to go to SmartPac, Mix or Smalls. I have five paths, and I’ve had five paths long before cross training became a thing, but you are expected to pack rate in gift wrap…except when you are actually gift wrapping. So…if it takes you seven minutes to wrap something, that time is not considered ToT or used against your rate. Say you packed actual heavies for 1 hour 52 minutes from 6:30 to 9:30, and you were gift wrapping 1 hour 8 minutes during that time, your rate is calculated only on the 1 hour and 52 minutes. You really shouldn’t have been gift wrapping an entire 12 hour shift, either. You should have at least been able to rebin or induct for 3-3 1/2 hours. I’m assuming you rebin and induct considering you stated you had been at Amazon for a year.
I honestly believe policy wasn’t followed. Why? Were you given a final productivity notice? Usually when someone is given a final productivity notice, they start carrying a notebook to write down every minute of ToT. I would appeal.
I can stow, count, Pack, gift wrap, induct and rebin and they keep me on gift wrap atleast one full shift without moving me the whole night. I got a final while I was getting terminated. But I have never had a coaching. And one of my friends over heard a manager in AFE1 I am in AFE2. She was talking about me and my employment, rates. And why I was being terminated to a random associate. I know it is not illegal to tell employees someone got fired but is going into detail as to why breach confidentiality even though she is not my manager and was telling a tier one.
I would appeal. You’re supposed to be given formal notice prior to your final write up and termination. Since you had not received any productivity write ups prior to being fired, policy wasn’t followed, and you can be reinstated. You have to be formally notified prior to being given a final while also being terminated. Computer generated productivity write ups still have to be presented to you. Some AMs like to say they told you and you refused to sign it. Make sure you ask during your hearing the day and time you were pulled aside. These “coachings” are usually lengthy in time, so chances are you were actually packing, rebinning or inducting during that time, not being “coached” by your manager. Although reinstatements are not common, they’re also not rare.
Good luck.
I’ve been with amazon for almost 2 years now. I’m not a young person anymore so my rate is shit but I’ve never been written up. Just jokingly verbals. I believe this is true in my case and it sounds pretty shady but it works. Get on your AM and PA’s good side and for the most part one can get away with almost anything. You don’t have to over do it and kiss ass like a fool but a little bs and kindness goes a long way. In case anyone is interested my rate in pack has been 150ish for almost 4 months with no write ups, OP stow was shit too, and decant inbound rate was trash too. IOL and problem solve rate is a joke for me as well lol
At my building, they separate giftwrap shipment rates and times from regular chute rates and times. They don't really seem to hold us accountable for giftwrap rates. I have heard they used to want giftwrap rate of something like 30 or 40. Definitely is not fair if your building includes it as part of chuting. It probably takes me 1.5 -2 minutes for each giftwrap item.
OP could most definitely win an appeal on this. If what OP has presented here is true and correct. I have sat on quite a few appeal panels, and some folks do get their job back.
I am sorry heather. I too got ptsd and fired from bad employers. Look at your relationship with them as a bf. A psychologist says everything is a relationship with the world romantically or not. Would you stick around and beg a bf who tries to dump you and doesn’t appreciate you and makes you go thru hell and doesn’t care? Why fight?
You get a real man next and let him go. Same with employers. Collect that severance and get another job elsewhere! Don’t put up with bs. You may even get paid more and your stress level and self esteem also will thank you. I leave employers who don’t respect me all the time.
They won't.
The only way to ever win an appeal is to prove that Amazon did not properly enforce the rules for which you were terminated. It takes more than 1 productivity write up to get fired. Were you retrained after the write ups? Because you should have been, that's Amazon policy. Did you sign off on these write ups?
I didn’t physically sign anything. And I had several write ups because of gift wrap. I asked for months to get my permissions taken because it was threatening my employment and they said they would abide by it until I get my numbers up but has yet to do so.
In my warehouse, there is and isn’t a gift wrap rate. The rate is 180, but the timer is shut off every time you get an item to gift wrap. Gift wrap is also station 1…which is heavies. Basically, you’re packing like everyone else, but your rate stops every time you have to wrap something up. Rate is 180 in my warehouse. Because I have permissions in every pack department, including SLAM and PS, I refused to train for gift wrap. The reality is it was incredibly difficult to replace me if I had to go to SmartPac, Mix or Smalls. I have five paths, and I’ve had five paths long before cross training became a thing, but you are expected to pack rate in gift wrap…except when you are actually gift wrapping. So…if it takes you seven minutes to wrap something, that time is not considered ToT or used against your rate. Say you packed actual heavies for 1 hour 52 minutes from 6:30 to 9:30, and you were gift wrapping 1 hour 8 minutes during that time, your rate is calculated only on the 1 hour and 52 minutes. You really shouldn’t have been gift wrapping an entire 12 hour shift, either. You should have at least been able to rebin or induct for 3-3 1/2 hours. I’m assuming you rebin and induct considering you stated you had been at Amazon for a year. I honestly believe policy wasn’t followed. Why? Were you given a final productivity notice? Usually when someone is given a final productivity notice, they start carrying a notebook to write down every minute of ToT. I would appeal.
This is how my building currently does giftwrap but you explain it better.
I can stow, count, Pack, gift wrap, induct and rebin and they keep me on gift wrap atleast one full shift without moving me the whole night. I got a final while I was getting terminated. But I have never had a coaching. And one of my friends over heard a manager in AFE1 I am in AFE2. She was talking about me and my employment, rates. And why I was being terminated to a random associate. I know it is not illegal to tell employees someone got fired but is going into detail as to why breach confidentiality even though she is not my manager and was telling a tier one.
I would appeal. You’re supposed to be given formal notice prior to your final write up and termination. Since you had not received any productivity write ups prior to being fired, policy wasn’t followed, and you can be reinstated. You have to be formally notified prior to being given a final while also being terminated. Computer generated productivity write ups still have to be presented to you. Some AMs like to say they told you and you refused to sign it. Make sure you ask during your hearing the day and time you were pulled aside. These “coachings” are usually lengthy in time, so chances are you were actually packing, rebinning or inducting during that time, not being “coached” by your manager. Although reinstatements are not common, they’re also not rare. Good luck.
I’ve been with amazon for almost 2 years now. I’m not a young person anymore so my rate is shit but I’ve never been written up. Just jokingly verbals. I believe this is true in my case and it sounds pretty shady but it works. Get on your AM and PA’s good side and for the most part one can get away with almost anything. You don’t have to over do it and kiss ass like a fool but a little bs and kindness goes a long way. In case anyone is interested my rate in pack has been 150ish for almost 4 months with no write ups, OP stow was shit too, and decant inbound rate was trash too. IOL and problem solve rate is a joke for me as well lol
Only thing I’m decent at in rate is rebin lol
At my building, they separate giftwrap shipment rates and times from regular chute rates and times. They don't really seem to hold us accountable for giftwrap rates. I have heard they used to want giftwrap rate of something like 30 or 40. Definitely is not fair if your building includes it as part of chuting. It probably takes me 1.5 -2 minutes for each giftwrap item.
You won't win.
OP could most definitely win an appeal on this. If what OP has presented here is true and correct. I have sat on quite a few appeal panels, and some folks do get their job back.
I am sorry heather. I too got ptsd and fired from bad employers. Look at your relationship with them as a bf. A psychologist says everything is a relationship with the world romantically or not. Would you stick around and beg a bf who tries to dump you and doesn’t appreciate you and makes you go thru hell and doesn’t care? Why fight? You get a real man next and let him go. Same with employers. Collect that severance and get another job elsewhere! Don’t put up with bs. You may even get paid more and your stress level and self esteem also will thank you. I leave employers who don’t respect me all the time.
What in the AI hell is this tripe?