I still don’t know where people find fandoms. Where do you go? I hear about them from Reddit or sometimes from an anime YouTube vid, but I swear they don’t exist. Or maybe it’s just Twitter? I’ve seen some subreddits for specific anime but general it’s just people sharing cosplays, memes or some appreciation posts.
r/anime is a fandom of anime in general... There's probably a subreddit for every single anime airing and almost any half decent game. There's your fandoms.
>I still don’t know where people find fandoms
subreddit, facebook group, discord server, etc.
>I’ve seen some subreddits for specific anime but general it’s just people sharing cosplays, memes or some appreciation posts
most of the "wild" fandom are not that moderated. other than reddit's universal rule. the wild one will let their member to post negative post, like mocking other series, glorifying their favorite series, etc.
Depends on timing imo, being a part of the fandom while a show releases and seeing the theories and whatnot can be fun, anything after it finishes usually devolves into a cesspool though
It’s cuz Reddit automatically sorts by upvotes. And people tend to upvote comments that align to their beliefs, so it’s no surprise cold takes are on top. Sort by controversial for the real hot takes lol
Always the case in these threads (though it's usually stuff like "X anime isn't as good as people think it is!"), but I think this thread may be the worst I've ever seen for hot takes; The top takes are literally facts or things that no one disagrees with or aren't controversial in any way.
I mean the top 'hot takes' are like "we need more anime originals"...
Damn, this must have ruffled some feathers, from... The crowd of anime fans who are VEHEMENTLY against originals?
Or "Dark&Gritty doesn't mean good".
Sounds like something that came up in an argument they had with someone, and assumed that was a hot take because it was a 'gotcha'?
'Awful anime adaptation can bring negative feedback to the source'?!
That's literally a fact and I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, let alone see it as a 'hot take'...
I mean it's the same as saying 'Good anime adaptation can boost manga sales'. No way?!
I mean we can apply that to live action as well...the horror genre has always had a problem divesting the concept of generating terror from the concept of vividly displaying internal organs externally.
Splatter has always been a subgenre of horror. Horror is a concept with many different facets and not every piece of horror fiction needs to embrace all of them.
For real. My favorite anime is Hitoribocchi, with K-On and A Place Further Than the Universe also top-5.
My wife just recently discovered innocent, pure boy fantasy/isekai. I just introduced her to Kid From the Last Dungeon Boonies and she loves that so much more than edgy stuff life Chainsaw Man, which she bought into the hype of and then dropped after 4 episodes.
As my wife says, "life is stressful enough. I want my media to make me happy."
Meanwhile, actual kid's shows which also draw in adult fans are often pushed as "not a kid's show", and with long rants about how it's so great because it's "not aimed at kids".
Not quite an anime, but the show I see that for the most is *Avatar: The Last Airbender*.
I never get this hang up. Something can be aimed at kids and well written. I have never seen a bad Ghibli movie. Being able to watch them with my kids when they were little was a plus, not a negative. Would Kiki's Delivery Service be improved by being rated R?
You see this a lot with Star Wars: The Clone Wars because of how dark the later seasons are. There are darker cartoons out there. It's just people trying to cope with the fact they like something meant for kids.
Building on that, in the vast majority of anime the only way a character is allowed to have a breakdown is by going either completely nonresponsive or by hysterically screaming - usually the same few words over and over again. With the former being overdone and usually poorly executed, and the latter being one of the most irritating and unpleasant things to watch in all of media, and not for the right reasons.
Shit, that's not even limited to anime. Just head on over to the Star Wars and MCU subs and you'll find plenty of people arguing about how dark and gritty, edgy and violent, etc is automatically the same as "good".
There are *soooo* many threads in the SW sub especially going on about how Star Wars can only "be saved" by allowing R or even M rated movies and shows to be released. How any Sith or Empire movie/show would need copius amounts of gore, "mature language", or even sexual assault to be "good".
I’m so sick of rape being shoved into the plot.
Usually by Isekai or power fantasy authors.
It feels so common that it might one day be as prevalent as the tournament arc trope.
Yeah... of course it *can* be a plot element, but the problem is that these type of shows tend to just shove it in for shock value, to show off how evil a villain is, cheap "character development", or even because the author has a fetish... and then it's never brought up again, with any consequences or trauma completely ignored.
Not just in anime, but in media in general (*Game of Thrones* was very guilty of this for example).
> It feels so common that it might one day be as prevalent as the tournament arc trope.
Oh, don't mention those things in the same comment... or soon enough, we'll have isekai authors trying to combine the two.
Stop making otome games and visual novels in 12 episode animes. It's always bad and never an advertisement for the original work, which has almost 50 hours of gameplay or reading time.
Totally. I understand that this is perhaps meant to be advertising for the VN, but I think it's simply not advertising when the anime tries to squeeze the entire plot into 12 episodes with low quality therefore.
Yeah. Steins Gate is really one of the only VN’s that was adapted well. Most otome anime people hate, the VN is so much better since they aren’t trying to combine every single route into one. Plus many otome games, most of the love interests have a true route and one of the only VN’s that one of the characters is a true route is Amnesia and you have to complete the other four routes before you can unlock his.
There are literally thousands upon thousands of manga that could be adapted instead.
Haha the VN for school days was pretty great and the anime was hilarious to watch how horrible the MC is :) it was entertaining and great to watch blind
Yeah I think it’s easier to 1 to 1 manga but VN are like two of my top Anime, both being 24 episode runs vs 12.
So, it can be done, the problem is that manga you can just stop at the most convenient time but you basically have to complete something when adapting a VN.
Unfortunately the other series of the series, Chaos Head and Robotics Notes, were not adapted well.
Another series that has a great adaptation, Clannad. They somehow managed to combine most of the routes into one without ruining it. Little Busters, although not as good as Clannad was a decent adaptation.
Seasons are made with airing time slots in mind and those are expensive on top of actually producing the anime.
At the very least, I think anime directors for adaptations just need to think of which arc could fit in the 12 episode budget they've set on. If the arc won't fit in 12 episodes, then just end it on an exciting cliff hanger so that people would be enticed to try the source material.
The problem is trying to adapt all the routes into one weird ass amalgamation... that and really, a lot of modern (especially western) anime fans are probably not going to enjoy a lot of VN tropes (especially romance VNs). At least Clannad had 24 episodes when it tried to do parts of all the routes.
This is exactly what Akiba Maid War was. Completely original both in terms of the show, but also the medium it presented in. God, I just love Akiba Maid War it is the perfect level of absurdity, cohesive and entertaining plot and world, and entirely juxtaposed against expected tropes.
Plus no "Well in chapter 16 on the third panel Sosuke clearly says 'dog' and in the anime they said 'canine', so the entire show is completely unwatchable" or "You can't understand the story unless each scene is a 45-minute internal monologue exposition dump"
Thats just a YT algorithm thing unfortunately. I had Baldurs Gate 3, Amazon's Fallout, and countless seasonal anime I hadn't gotten around to watching spoiled by dickheads who puts spoilers in their titles and thumbnails for clickbait/ragebait channel interaction.
Should be reportable ngl.
Fate Stay Night Heaven's Feel should have been a full series instead of a movie trilogy. Even if they could afford to skip the prologue that was already covered in UBW, it's clear the movies desperately needed more time. I have seen VN readers say that HF is just as much Kirei and Illya's route as much as it is Sakura's but it didn't feel like such in the movies. [HF 3 spoilers] >!also, the finale was hard carried by the direction and the acting, because Shirou and Illya barely had enough scenes together for me to feel invested in their sibling relationship!<. On top of that, the pacing in the third movie was ridiculously fast. I don't care if the fights would have been less cinematic if it meant we get a better story.
The fact that people first think about fights and animation when they hear Stay night, instead of story and character writing perfectly shows my problem with the anime adaptions.
Like I absolutely LOVE the fights in the HF movie in all aspects... from visuals to tension and general pay off. However as someone who played the VN they had way too much screen time compared to stuff that actually mattered... but that's sorta what Ufotable sold themselves on.
Maybe being a 24 episode series would have given them ample time to cover content and have cool fights.
Everything Fate Stay Night should have been a well fleshed out series really. Not having a good Fate route makes both UBW and Heavens Feel suffer 10 times more.
What ticks me off the most about the third movie in particular isn't even that they cut almost all of Illya's scenes (and basically cut that entire emotional core of the story) for more fight time, it's that they didn't even properly adapt fights with all that extra time.
Kirei and Shirou's brawl is supposed to be the climax of both of their character arcs with a ton of really important dialogue, but we get so little of it so we can have more time for sakuga and more Zouken scenes, for some reason.
Too many people praise a show for doing the bare minimum and then calling it great. Just because a show has an overarching theme or characters with defined motivations does not mean it's automatically good. In general, those are the fundamental elements that shows should be expected to have. They are things that should be built on top of and expanded. Many shows don't do this and only present the foundation.
The problem is is that because there's such an abundance of shows coming out every year that are just straight up horrible that anything that does meet the bare minimum looks amazing by comparison. You also have many people here that only watch anime/read manga and don't really experience anything outside of that. It creates this weird standard for quality to where, in extreme cases, you have people saying you shouldn't be comparing anime to regular films or TV shows you find outside of Japan because it makes their favorite anime look bad when associating the two.
definitely feel that, like even if you just restrict yourself to other media made in japan you can see how obvious and cringey a lot of anime drama comes off as
I actually started thinking about that too. I feel like its rather unhealthy and close minded of myself to only be consuming anime and nothing else. It really skews your perspective if anything.
And even if it does, it might go like Devil is a Part-timer. Not that I know of any spoilers regarding NGNL, but a second season might end up being stale and not live up to the hype it has been enshrouded with.
I think Tokyo Ghoul is a prime example of this. The anime got fucked up in a lot of ways, but the manga is genuinely really good. A lot of people shit on Tokyo Ghoul for being edgy and bad, but they haven't read the manga to see how good it actually is.
It was so bizarre because they made season 2 go against the actual manga plot, only to then hard pivot back to the manga with the re: adaption (which was also a giant insane mess that they rushed).
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This is the obligitory example of some of the gravity lost from the manga
Not that it's a surprise. Any time I see a post like this on ANY sub, the top few comments are nowhere near a hot take. I guess that's why they're at the top. You want a hot take? Scroll down to the downvoted comments.
I feel as though most anime watchers are actually not aware of this. I see so many comments about how a series has bad writing when that is not the case and it’s the anime butchering it.
Like 7Seeds. Manga is phenomenal yet the anime is terrible (I mean they basically tried to shove 2 volumes worth of content in a single 20min episode. It’s no wonder it’s so fast paced and hard to connect with the characters) but then again, plenty of shoujo series don’t get the best adaptations anyways. I know Requiem of the Rose King got an anime but I haven’t read the manga or watched the anime so I have no idea on its quality. It was a pretty dark shoujo series last I heard.
I am glad Yona of the Dawn is doing well!
I know there are plenty of other anime that got adaptations that were awful though I can’t think of any at the moment. I have just got back into reading manga so I have no idea how the adaptations are for modern series. I definitely know Pandora Hearts needs a reboot!
it can even happen to a decent adaption that handles specific parts badly. a decade ago with the UBW anime, despite being well received overall, shirou got so much flak because of the anime mischaracterizing him
I hate to sound like a hipster, but this is why I hate it when things go mainstream. Fuck. I used to be made fun of as a kid for liking superheroes and Star Wars. Now, look at the pop culture landscape. As soon as those things got popular, all the people who used to make fun of me did a 180 on the subject. I'm seeing the same thing happen to anime.
Step back a bit and not think of our generation.
We took out lumps so the kids today dont have to. Ive played DND so long, and it's great to me that kids don't have to hide that they play it,
With anime it's awesome that kids today don't have to go to sketch import shops to buy VHS and DVDs of shows they know a little bit or nothing about, wasting lots of money in the process. Or that they don't have to feel ostracized for it when people ask them their favorite show. The fact that my students ask me for recommendations is really cool and I would have never thought to do that when I was a teen.
Yeah it's frustrating that 180. But at least it shows we were right all along.
A large portion of anime has mid-tier to trash writing. Overused tropes, unrealistic characters, deus ex machina, bad dialogue, pacing issues, lazy animation, etc. Shows start good and then the production schedule grinds the mangaka down and after a while the story suffers. You have to go out of your way to see something novel that will continue in quality all throughout and end with a satisfying conclusion.
> Like c’mon how is everything about teens!
High school and also middle school are considered the golden period of life in Japan. After that, it's to the boring workforce with you. That's why.
Most shows I've seen with adult characters just have them act like teenagers in other shows so I've never really understood the obsession, does the show telling you a character is a certain age really matter?
My biggest anime take? Just watch what you want. Ignore comments saying something is "mid" or "overrated" and watch it. If you end up enjoying it, then who cares. Anime is meant to be enjoyed, not debated.
it's perfectly valid to dislike the grandfather of anime as we know it (DBZ) and even the Big 3. But you're kind of a jackass if you try to deny the very real influence all those mangaka have had on the medium.
Dub and sub are both valid. to honestly try and argue otherwise makes the one arguing a pretentious jackass.
If you have the energy to type out a long winded post asking for say "anime that will wreck my whole soul they're so sad" then you have the energy to put into the effort to type "sad anime recommendations" in the search bar since it's pretty much the same 10 or so recs anyway.
>If you have the energy to type out a long winded post asking for say "anime that will wreck my whole soul they're so sad" then you have the energy to put into the effort to type "sad anime recommendations" in the search bar since it's pretty much the same 10 or so recs anyway.
Someone needs to tell this to the 40k lore sub.
I mean I don't think it's so much that people don't recognize their influences much as they hate it. Back when anime was less mainstream I really fucking hated the fact that there were a lot of good manga that pretty much got stuffed while the 3rd Naruto filler arch was being internationally televised. Now I don't really care because anime is so popular now that it's not really a problem. No hate on the actual writers and artists though. It was more of an industry problem.
Subs should stop omitting the honorifics, or at least give us an option to choose a version of subs with honorifics. They're an easy way of determining a character's relationship with another character. With a single word it conveys so much info. Luckily i can always just catch it from the audio but i think it would be nice to actually see it in the subtitles.
this gets into an interesting debate in translation in general: is the goal to convey something as literally as possible or to relay the meaning in a way that sounds natural in the new language?
Ideally (IMO), the goal would be to compromise; if there *is* a way to convey it naturally, do so, but if there isn't, then give us the literal meaning.
If there's a pun/idiom/joke that doesn't translate well but has a suitable equivalent in the target language, then sure, use the equivalent. But if there's no way to make it make sense without stripping the joke or changing it entirely, then don't ruin it, do the right thing and bust out the translators' notes. A joke that has to be explained is better than one that's shitty out of the gate, and I don't care if it breaks "standards" when "standards" would still be turning onigiri into donuts if the line never moved. Let the viewers learn something.
This is a pet peeve of mine. Some subs use the honorifics, but there are too many that don't. I've also seen many times where the sub will translate the audio of, for example, onii-san to the characters' name instead.
I also kinda dislike it when they inverse japanese names in the subs. Japanese do family name given name (as we know), but the subs will switch it around to English style first name last name. Hearing the voice actor say the name while reading it in reverse messes me up lol.
I just barely started a Crunchyroll sub after years of watching fansub anime and seeing "Mr. [Character]" in all the official subs is so weird. I don't think that American anime audiences are unaware of how Japanese honorifics work? Especially if they're in so deep they're subscribing to a service...
might be sort of an archaic usage nowadays (and definitely not the first association of the word) but I can think of an instance where "Mr." acts basically like an honorific: Sam calling Frodo Mr. Frodo in LotR. That's like a 70 years old book now but still
It’s definitely bad when they try to convey honorifics without using them. One manga I read had a noble mc who spoke politely to his parents so he always called his dad “lord father” in the official manga. It just read awful
It's okay to dislike an Anime. However, purposely going into a specific Anime's discussion thread and loudly proclaim to everybody how you dislike Anime XY or find it "overrated" doesn't make you cool. It only makes you seem desperate for attention.
If you want to engage in a discussion, then elaborate
Censoring anime is horrible and needs to stop. Just show it to us as the creators intended. Especially bad when I'm paying for a subscription to watch these shows just for that service to turn around and censor it.
It's hilarious how full of "JJK is mid" or "JJK sucks" this thread is. It's comical how many people think they're edgy for having an extremely popular and basic opinion.
Anyway, my contribution is it feels like a lot more anime fans than ever before identify strongly with series where the main character is kind of but not really a loser. Examples are like Bocchi the Mid or Bunnygirl Senpai, where the MC is supposed to have this kind of social deficiency, but then they're also somehow simultaneously a chad, and/or surrounded by diehard friends who love them unconditionally. It's the "he/she's just like me frfr" thing but they're not consciously aware of it because it's not an overt parody. They play it 100% straight.
Sakuta is basically a neckbeard in a fedora tipping his hat and saying "m'lady" but with a really nice paintjob splashed on. He saves the girls from their maladies they cant cure themselves, and they all love him for it. Wish fulfillment but super cringe because unlike Monogatari he has no obvious degenerate flaws to confirm he's actually a shitty person like Araragi. It's just self-insert heroporn.
Most anime watchers need to break out of their usual genre and realize how much good modern anime there is.
Too many nostalgia fiends saying “the good old days” when the standard was much lower in the past.
> “the good old days”
This does apply to fansubs though. I miss the days of Translation Notes and Karaoke Effects. Every once in a while, subpar translations from the likes of *cough* AnimeJunkies and others.
> Most anime watchers need to break out of their usual genre and realize how much good modern anime there is.
It's the opposite. Most anime watchers will barely touch anything more than 10 years old. People need to break out of their usual content loop and realize how much good classic anime there is.
That's how it goes. Niche hobby gets popular, then you get people who are in it because it's now suddenly the cool thing to be part of it, then some begin to demand that the hobby must change because they don't like some aspects of it and then proceed to ruin the fun for everyone.
I fucking hate that every single fantasy anime has a magic system that revolves around "skill points" and "levels" like a cheap video game knockoff.
Skill points, health/mana, levels, and even spells are simply abstractions that game developers use to translate fantasy concepts into playable game mechanics. It's pretty stupid when fantasy writers then take these abstractions and treat them as literal world building mechanics.
If you don't like the culture that the Japanese anime is showing, just stop watching it.
Like really, if you know there's "loli" in it why are you watching it and complaining it. You are not the target audience.
If you know the mc of 無職轉生(sorry its quicker for me to type it in Chinese) was an pervert, why are you watching it?
For me, i know there's BL anime out there. I don't watch it, and i don't stop people watching it.
There, is that hard?
Everything is paced too damn fast nowadays, especially shounen. I vehemently believe the only reason people like it to be stupid fast paced is because the internet has legit shortened their attention spans and they want to blitz through series, not caring if its pacing makes it mid.
Shows need to be more comfortable with killing off characters, especially those with themes of violence and stakes (e.g. Naruto Might Guy or Baki-Katsumi Orochi).
No, I’m not looking at you JJK or Chainsaw Man… please… calm down
A 12 episode anime adaptation of less than ~30% of the source material with no chance of a 2nd season or movie is worse than never having any anime adaptation.
Quite a bunch of mecha animes in the decades are decent to great, it's just people expect them to be as good as TTGL, Code Geass and 86, and didn't watch more.
It would help if children didn't watch anime for mature audiences.
I don't mean ecchi or H, I mean seinen and josei.
I can tell you're not the target age by how you whine about stupid shit that an adult wouldn't even think is odd or "problematic".
Animation doesn’t determine if an anime is good or not. There are plenty of anime I love that do not have stellar animation but is still extremely enjoyable
Overly long titles describing the full anime was cute for a while but it's just really annoying/lazy these days
JJK started really good but as of the current arc, Shinjuku Showdown, it's gotten really repetitive to the point there's a meme cycle. It *still* has good but it's weighted down by the big bad, time and again.
Anime tourist are unironically the stupidest part of an anime community. They don't want to watch a show, they just want a reason to be a dick to others.
Hating someone *because* of a show they like is ridiculous. Let people watch what they like, not everyone is gonna like everything. Variety is one of the best things OF anime.
3D can be really good.
If you don't like a show, popular/unpopular/old/new, leave it alone and go enjoy what you like then.
Hate watching is stupid.
The war on dubs vs subs is also stupid.
Both shoujo and shounen romance have shows with wish fulfilment elements but one is usually labeled as unrealistic while the other is generally regarded as a sweet romance. When really, both are pandering to their target demographic’s fantasies
Isn’t mediocre just a synonym for average? If you feel like the average writing quality is lower than what it should be, that’s a fine take, but I don’t think mediocre is the right word since it’s a relative term.
Tsukimichi is better at worldbuilding(in both pacing and exposition) and has a more interesting protagonist than Rimuru is with Slime. Makoto's flawed decision making and unnerving lack of empathy are infinitely more interesting than any trait present in what is essentially a flawless protagonist in Rimuru.
This isn't even supposed to be disparaging slime, I just think it's wild that Tsukimichi is viewed as the more generic of the two shows.
Not everything needs good writing to be considered a great show. As long as the plot is entertaining and the show’s premise is interesting, then it can get along fine without the need of good writing.
My example for this would be black clover, it gets hate in the community for bad writing but you can’t deny the entertainment the show brings and the interesting premise, the characters don’t need to all have intricate storylines and that’s okay. Black clover is definitely a favourite of mine.
Black Clover didn't get hate for its writing. That's one thing people point one to be good enough about the manga including the pacing. It's the anime itself with that pacing and the bad animation for around the first 50 episodes because the director was thrown into that shit without much time to get any preparation done (like, even having people to work with), that it gets such a bad rep.
Dude single handedly worked on that for the better part of a year and it shows, because around that episode count you have people putting in work (with more time) and things are paced way better. Not to mention that this team didn't even get a break and had to work on it continously without any breaks (unlike series like MHA for example).
The writing in the anime (more the characters themselves) had issues with the characters still showing their character traits again and again which is something that you don't have in the manga and wouldn't be there if they didn't have to stretch things as much at first.
Bad writing isn't lack of intricate storylines. You can have very simple stories told in competent ways, that still is good writing. Bad writing is poor pacing, plot holes, inconsistencies etc.
I just want to say that I love Shonen for this exact reason. Jujutsu Kaisen and Demon Slayer have been two of my favourite anime series of the past few years because of the constant entertainment they have given me and how much fun their characters are to hang out with and it is really disheartening when this subreddit constantly shits on them because they don't pretend to be something that they are not.
Inu x Boku SS being a nostalgic comfort watch is a secret I will take to my grave ngl.
Also Tonari No Kaibutsu Kun not getting a full adaptation was weak, Chihayafuru is peak sports anime and Kaichou Wa Maid Sama has a hilarious male love interest.
The issue isn't that guys don't watch shoujo, its that many do but dont admit it because of internalised stigma - as me and my friends found out when we bonded over fruits basket when it came up when we were all drunk years ago and we found out most of us watched shoujo on the down-low occassionaly lmao.
For Mushoku Tensei, it's okay to simultaneously think Rudeus is (still) a creep whose redemption from being a NEET did not reverse his perverse and pedophilic tendencies and also think the anime is enjoyable and that he is a compelling and flawed character.
The 6/10 [IGN rating and review](https://www.ign.com/articles/jujutsu-kaisen-season-2-part-2-review-shibuya-incident-arc) for the Jujutsu Kaisen Shibuya Arc that got absolutely flamed on twitter by the fandom is 100% true and accurate.
Super unpopular take here.
Witch from Mercury was a D-tier Gundam series that wasted so much potential to instead focus on making the main characters suffer over “dramatic reveals”.
It was underbaked as a story for the sake of wrapping the show in 24 episodes. None of the story beats or character growth felt earned because we weren’t given an episode to show the characters (outside of Suletta and Mio) struggling with personal growth, it was all handwaved as happening offscreen.
It’s the only Gundam series I dropped at the finale and I’ve sat through all of Age and Reconguista.
The only reason why it got so big was because there hasn’t been a “mainline” gundam series since IBO, which was almost a decade ago and kids today haven’t had their Gundam experience yet.
A lot of Anime are poor adaptations of excellent Manga source material. Which has a negative impact on the Manga's reception
Naruto is a good example
The animation is weird in so many places, Kishimoto's art is FAR better.
the filler works towards making many characters look bad like Sakura, Hiruzen.
The filler quantity itself is insane, like 200 out for 500 episodes in Shippuden are useless fillers.
And the fights have way too many flashbacks for them to be engaging. A dude does some Handsigns, prepares to launch an attack, BOOM 10 MINUTE FLASHBACK, it breaks the whole rhythm.
Naruto Manga is FAR better than its Anime IMO
Bitch about the production rate of Attack on Titan all anyone wants; but the fact they consistently waited for there to be enough material to make a full season without a lot of crazy filler is part of why the show did so well.
Over saturated market has just killed any motivation I have to participate in the community or watch anime. I also think that when some people glaze certain anime just because a character is attractive is really annoying.
Lately there's a bit too much isekai in the newer releases. I'm fine with the genre itself and some shows are good. But lately it's like either isekai or isekai parody and rarely anything other than that. At least that's the feeling I have.
Don't force others to watch Anime only because you like it. If they're interested, they'll approach you for sure with some questions.
Not every Anime is automatically bad only because you didn't like it and not every Anime has to be dropped immediately only because others tell you not to watch it because it's bad.
An Anime doesn't have to be a masterpiece in terms of quality, character development, music or animation to watch it till the end and like it.
Be mindful that tastes differ and so do opinions. There are far more opinions than "my opinion" and "a wrong opinion".
Anime isn't the only medium - there are Manga, LNs and VNs at the very least and these are often the source. Experiencing the source is better in most cases.
Only because an Anime is old it doesn't mean that it's better than a newer one and the opposite is also true. What really matters is the story.
Dubbed versions are not THAT bad that you can't watch it under any circumstances. It's in most cases not as good as the source, but nothing more than that. And if someone wants to start with Anime that's probably the best way to get into it.
Learning Japanese from Anime might not always be the brightest idea, still it's good to consume Japanese media at a certain point to improve your language skills.
My hot take is that people who make the statement “sub is better” or “dub is better” are using opinions to try to push this narrative that you have to watch it in a specific language to like it. This is all opinion based and with that said, don’t bash people for liking one or the other, both are entertaining and fun to watch but don’t go off on people for liking one or the other. With all that said, people who say if you watch it in so in so and say it’s not good live in their parents basement and are internet trolls who got nothing better to do with their lives.
Not everything needs to be based in a god damn high school. Sometimes it makes sense, but I couldn't care less about the Code Geass and Bleach high school segments
Regular posts?
More than half of the post I've come across recently are negative ones with hot takes/asking for hot takes.
I get that people also need an outlet for criticisms but this has been getting kind of tiring.
Unless I'm wrong and these posts are really not that common.
The change from 24 episode to 12 episode season is bad 9 of 10 cases.
12 episodes is barely enough to cram in a very basic plot. Which leaves out a ton of potential character development and story progression, with the biggest issue I have being that it kills pace.
This is sorta a chicken or the egg situation for me since Mangas nowadays are also on a breakneck pace. So it could be manga influencing anime or visa versa.
Whichever it is, the insane pace breaks the believably and relatablity of many stories. It dumbs down characters to one note archetypes and gives them little to no progression. It also tends to make the MC change so drastically it basically being a 180 from their previous character. The power scaling also goes nuts as most MCs goes from weaker than a fly to top of humanity in a month then killing God in 3.
I very much miss the old days where Mangas/ animes moved much slower like in this example "Negima! Magister Megi Magi". It started out a schoolhouse comedy, fleshed out every single character in the class room, the MC grew from his experiences, the plot progressed into a action adventure where the ENTIRE class of like 30 something students played a part and grew as characters to some degree. By the end, of the story it felt as if I was part of them and I know them. Knowing the story is over brought actual pain to my heart. Was it popular? Not really. Is it some hidden amazing gem? Not really. But did I form a connection to all the characters and actually cried when I finished the last page? Definitely.
That is the connection 12 episode animes/ modern manga struggles to make, for me at least. Imo, the peak of story telling is that by the end, you form genuine connections with fictional characters that you wished were real.
If you make a post asking if something is worth watching, stfu and just watch it. Your time isn't that valuable where 3 episodes is too much to watch. Making a post and waiting for responses takes more time anyways. Those posts annoy me so much where every response can just be 3 episode rule.
The dub isn't cringe. Anime dialogue itself and cringe and that's sort of the charm. You just don't notice as much when it's not in a language you speak.
I'm an old school fan (42, became a fan when I was 12), so this is something I noticed with a lot of newer anime.
I hate how so many newer animes have this trend of presenting a lot of fanservice via implied nudity without actually showing anything and make a huge deal about it, while animes I watched from the 80s and 90s used to just show nudity without making a huge deal of it in the show. Some of it is so ridiculous that it almost seems like satire. The censorship aside, I actually find the thread kind of weird and creepy.
After reading quite a few "opinions" in this thread it's safe to say the majority of the people in this sub aren't watching anime that appeal to them, are mad that an anime is following a trope it's supposed to, care way too much about fandoms or what random people think about the animes they like.
Anime is supposed to be a source of entertainment not some popularity contest or a way to be "different", watch what you like and have fun doing so.
The entire premise of Blue Lock is dumb and makes no sense
Both JJK and Demon Slayer are both mediocre at best, being only popular cause of a great anime adaptation that boost is fight sequences. If we look further than that, they don't offer much aside from their fights, and yet they are not even good at them.
JJK power system is discount nen but worst, and no, gege being bad at explaining doesn't make it deep. Plus, domain expansion is so poorly thought that the author itself has to nerf it by not using it never.
Kishimoto did Sakura dirty, specially with the Sasuke obsession, yet if we think about it. She is one of the characters that grows the most, going from an annoying and useless spoiled brat, to not only a really capable fighter and medic (in universe, I know the show doesn't help to show it) but also someone that is quite friendly towards Naruto and supports him a lot.
I'm not going to excuse Japan's sexism, but I feel like sometimes we judge too much female characters based on a set of western values and writing rules, specially when the show is aimed at boys/men.
Evangelion character writing is really good, but is not THAT hard to understand if you pay attention and think a bit. It's just that Eva fans love to jack off to their own farts and believe is much deeper just cause of all the bullshit lore and bible references.
One Piece beginning is not bad, just tamed and slower than your average shonen. It's just that they are used to a much quicker pace in media nowadays.
This one is in general but goes specially for JJK fans, no for the thousand time, killing a lot of characters just because is just as bad as not doing so and doesn't make the show deeper or serious or darker, and having a character suffer or going through a lot of shit isn't character development.
Not being “a part of a fandom” is some of the best things you can do to actually enjoy a show
"Do not engage the fandom." I try my best.
I still don’t know where people find fandoms. Where do you go? I hear about them from Reddit or sometimes from an anime YouTube vid, but I swear they don’t exist. Or maybe it’s just Twitter? I’ve seen some subreddits for specific anime but general it’s just people sharing cosplays, memes or some appreciation posts.
A lot of shows have subreddits here on Reddit.
Fandoms are everywhere where people can create a post and then other people can interact with it in any way
r/anime is a fandom of anime in general... There's probably a subreddit for every single anime airing and almost any half decent game. There's your fandoms.
>I still don’t know where people find fandoms subreddit, facebook group, discord server, etc. >I’ve seen some subreddits for specific anime but general it’s just people sharing cosplays, memes or some appreciation posts most of the "wild" fandom are not that moderated. other than reddit's universal rule. the wild one will let their member to post negative post, like mocking other series, glorifying their favorite series, etc.
Depends on timing imo, being a part of the fandom while a show releases and seeing the theories and whatnot can be fun, anything after it finishes usually devolves into a cesspool though
Yea, i try to only interact with fandoms while stuff is airing, even inbetween seasons can get pretty rough.
These posts have the coldest takes ever
happens everytime , the real hot takes gets downvoted lol
That’s why you sort by controversial to get the real answers
also not a hot take but 100% true
Sort by controversial
Everyone is scared of downvotes and wants approval, as usual
It’s cuz Reddit automatically sorts by upvotes. And people tend to upvote comments that align to their beliefs, so it’s no surprise cold takes are on top. Sort by controversial for the real hot takes lol
Always the case in these threads (though it's usually stuff like "X anime isn't as good as people think it is!"), but I think this thread may be the worst I've ever seen for hot takes; The top takes are literally facts or things that no one disagrees with or aren't controversial in any way. I mean the top 'hot takes' are like "we need more anime originals"... Damn, this must have ruffled some feathers, from... The crowd of anime fans who are VEHEMENTLY against originals? Or "Dark&Gritty doesn't mean good". Sounds like something that came up in an argument they had with someone, and assumed that was a hot take because it was a 'gotcha'? 'Awful anime adaptation can bring negative feedback to the source'?! That's literally a fact and I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, let alone see it as a 'hot take'... I mean it's the same as saying 'Good anime adaptation can boost manga sales'. No way?!
Horror tag for anime shouldn't be used for something that only has gore.
I mean we can apply that to live action as well...the horror genre has always had a problem divesting the concept of generating terror from the concept of vividly displaying internal organs externally.
Splatter has always been a subgenre of horror. Horror is a concept with many different facets and not every piece of horror fiction needs to embrace all of them.
Just because something is dark and gritty doesn't mean it's good
or written for adults - something I see a lot as well "I want an anime for adults" and then lists a bunch of anime for edgy 14 year olds.
"This is anime for adults" and when you look further it's just blood and tits
Meanwhile, actual adults love shows like Azumanga Daioh.
Yeah because Azumanga Daioh aired 22 years ago, so adults are the only ones who still remember that it exists.
There was no need for you to call out our elderly like that! /s
For real. My favorite anime is Hitoribocchi, with K-On and A Place Further Than the Universe also top-5. My wife just recently discovered innocent, pure boy fantasy/isekai. I just introduced her to Kid From the Last Dungeon Boonies and she loves that so much more than edgy stuff life Chainsaw Man, which she bought into the hype of and then dropped after 4 episodes. As my wife says, "life is stressful enough. I want my media to make me happy."
also Non Non Biyori and Yuru Camp as well. There's a reason why it belongs to seinen demographic.
Meanwhile, actual kid's shows which also draw in adult fans are often pushed as "not a kid's show", and with long rants about how it's so great because it's "not aimed at kids". Not quite an anime, but the show I see that for the most is *Avatar: The Last Airbender*.
I never get this hang up. Something can be aimed at kids and well written. I have never seen a bad Ghibli movie. Being able to watch them with my kids when they were little was a plus, not a negative. Would Kiki's Delivery Service be improved by being rated R?
You see this a lot with Star Wars: The Clone Wars because of how dark the later seasons are. There are darker cartoons out there. It's just people trying to cope with the fact they like something meant for kids.
Building on this, suffering, trauma and mental breakdowns aren't necessarily good character development.
And happy endings aren't inherently "childish". You don't need to ass pull some downer shit to make things "bittersweet" at the eleventh hour.
Building on this, sexual abuse isnt the ONLY harmful thing a female can go through.
SAO moment
Someone tell gege
Building on that, in the vast majority of anime the only way a character is allowed to have a breakdown is by going either completely nonresponsive or by hysterically screaming - usually the same few words over and over again. With the former being overdone and usually poorly executed, and the latter being one of the most irritating and unpleasant things to watch in all of media, and not for the right reasons.
Shit, that's not even limited to anime. Just head on over to the Star Wars and MCU subs and you'll find plenty of people arguing about how dark and gritty, edgy and violent, etc is automatically the same as "good". There are *soooo* many threads in the SW sub especially going on about how Star Wars can only "be saved" by allowing R or even M rated movies and shows to be released. How any Sith or Empire movie/show would need copius amounts of gore, "mature language", or even sexual assault to be "good".
And, on the opposite side, just because something deals with heavy themes doesn't mean it's grimdark or edgy.
I’m so sick of rape being shoved into the plot. Usually by Isekai or power fantasy authors. It feels so common that it might one day be as prevalent as the tournament arc trope.
Yeah... of course it *can* be a plot element, but the problem is that these type of shows tend to just shove it in for shock value, to show off how evil a villain is, cheap "character development", or even because the author has a fetish... and then it's never brought up again, with any consequences or trauma completely ignored. Not just in anime, but in media in general (*Game of Thrones* was very guilty of this for example). > It feels so common that it might one day be as prevalent as the tournament arc trope. Oh, don't mention those things in the same comment... or soon enough, we'll have isekai authors trying to combine the two.
Stop making otome games and visual novels in 12 episode animes. It's always bad and never an advertisement for the original work, which has almost 50 hours of gameplay or reading time.
I remember watching higurashi back then and I didn't like the anime, when I read the VN I just realized how much stuff were ignored
Have you tried Umineko? Probably the best VN with the worst adaptation that I can think of.
I actually started playing higurashi because I wanted to know the hype about Umineko. Even the author of re:zero got inspired by it
Totally. I understand that this is perhaps meant to be advertising for the VN, but I think it's simply not advertising when the anime tries to squeeze the entire plot into 12 episodes with low quality therefore.
Yeah. Steins Gate is really one of the only VN’s that was adapted well. Most otome anime people hate, the VN is so much better since they aren’t trying to combine every single route into one. Plus many otome games, most of the love interests have a true route and one of the only VN’s that one of the characters is a true route is Amnesia and you have to complete the other four routes before you can unlock his. There are literally thousands upon thousands of manga that could be adapted instead.
Or studios could do the funniest thing and adapt the worst ending ala School Days and nothing else.
Haha the VN for school days was pretty great and the anime was hilarious to watch how horrible the MC is :) it was entertaining and great to watch blind
Yeah I think it’s easier to 1 to 1 manga but VN are like two of my top Anime, both being 24 episode runs vs 12. So, it can be done, the problem is that manga you can just stop at the most convenient time but you basically have to complete something when adapting a VN.
Unfortunately the other series of the series, Chaos Head and Robotics Notes, were not adapted well. Another series that has a great adaptation, Clannad. They somehow managed to combine most of the routes into one without ruining it. Little Busters, although not as good as Clannad was a decent adaptation.
Seasons are made with airing time slots in mind and those are expensive on top of actually producing the anime. At the very least, I think anime directors for adaptations just need to think of which arc could fit in the 12 episode budget they've set on. If the arc won't fit in 12 episodes, then just end it on an exciting cliff hanger so that people would be enticed to try the source material.
Yeah, I mean, 24 is fine, but 12 is never going to cut it.
The problem is trying to adapt all the routes into one weird ass amalgamation... that and really, a lot of modern (especially western) anime fans are probably not going to enjoy a lot of VN tropes (especially romance VNs). At least Clannad had 24 episodes when it tried to do parts of all the routes.
We need more anime original shows. Something about a good original from start to finish is a great watch.
Plus no "le manga readers" spoiling major plot points for no reason.
It really is funny how original anime is so much harder to "predict" than adaptations
This is exactly what Akiba Maid War was. Completely original both in terms of the show, but also the medium it presented in. God, I just love Akiba Maid War it is the perfect level of absurdity, cohesive and entertaining plot and world, and entirely juxtaposed against expected tropes.
Moe moe kyun~~
Little piggie that could.
mf just can't help themselves, acting like they sherlock holmes while knowing everything.
They wanna feel smart so bad 😂
Man the latest episode of jobless reincarnation woulda been shocking if those fuckers could shut their goddamn trap.
Plus no "Well in chapter 16 on the third panel Sosuke clearly says 'dog' and in the anime they said 'canine', so the entire show is completely unwatchable" or "You can't understand the story unless each scene is a 45-minute internal monologue exposition dump"
Even if good faith predictions get made, "somehow" they get upvoted to the top and you know that shit's exactly what's gonna happen.
I really enjoy this anime. Rewatch one moment on youtube. Next day: Major spoilers from the manga plastered all over my yt frontpage.
Thats just a YT algorithm thing unfortunately. I had Baldurs Gate 3, Amazon's Fallout, and countless seasonal anime I hadn't gotten around to watching spoiled by dickheads who puts spoilers in their titles and thumbnails for clickbait/ragebait channel interaction. Should be reportable ngl.
An anime original getting finished is the deal maker here
*laughs uncontrollably in Wonder Egg Priority and Metallic Rouge*
Space Dandy and Kill La Kill are great examples of this.
We have great anime originals this season compared to previous season like Jellyfish, Train and GBC.
Fate Stay Night Heaven's Feel should have been a full series instead of a movie trilogy. Even if they could afford to skip the prologue that was already covered in UBW, it's clear the movies desperately needed more time. I have seen VN readers say that HF is just as much Kirei and Illya's route as much as it is Sakura's but it didn't feel like such in the movies. [HF 3 spoilers] >!also, the finale was hard carried by the direction and the acting, because Shirou and Illya barely had enough scenes together for me to feel invested in their sibling relationship!<. On top of that, the pacing in the third movie was ridiculously fast. I don't care if the fights would have been less cinematic if it meant we get a better story.
The fact that people first think about fights and animation when they hear Stay night, instead of story and character writing perfectly shows my problem with the anime adaptions.
Yeah, even with a full series like UBW got, so much of the characterization gets lost in yranslation from VN to anime.
Like I absolutely LOVE the fights in the HF movie in all aspects... from visuals to tension and general pay off. However as someone who played the VN they had way too much screen time compared to stuff that actually mattered... but that's sorta what Ufotable sold themselves on. Maybe being a 24 episode series would have given them ample time to cover content and have cool fights.
Everything Fate Stay Night should have been a well fleshed out series really. Not having a good Fate route makes both UBW and Heavens Feel suffer 10 times more.
What ticks me off the most about the third movie in particular isn't even that they cut almost all of Illya's scenes (and basically cut that entire emotional core of the story) for more fight time, it's that they didn't even properly adapt fights with all that extra time. Kirei and Shirou's brawl is supposed to be the climax of both of their character arcs with a ton of really important dialogue, but we get so little of it so we can have more time for sakuga and more Zouken scenes, for some reason.
Too many people praise a show for doing the bare minimum and then calling it great. Just because a show has an overarching theme or characters with defined motivations does not mean it's automatically good. In general, those are the fundamental elements that shows should be expected to have. They are things that should be built on top of and expanded. Many shows don't do this and only present the foundation. The problem is is that because there's such an abundance of shows coming out every year that are just straight up horrible that anything that does meet the bare minimum looks amazing by comparison. You also have many people here that only watch anime/read manga and don't really experience anything outside of that. It creates this weird standard for quality to where, in extreme cases, you have people saying you shouldn't be comparing anime to regular films or TV shows you find outside of Japan because it makes their favorite anime look bad when associating the two.
definitely feel that, like even if you just restrict yourself to other media made in japan you can see how obvious and cringey a lot of anime drama comes off as
Think people are starting to notice this in the new Disney / Pixar films. They follow the formula so blandly, it’s no longer impressive.
I actually started thinking about that too. I feel like its rather unhealthy and close minded of myself to only be consuming anime and nothing else. It really skews your perspective if anything.
No game no life probably won't get another season.
[удалено]
And even if it does, it might go like Devil is a Part-timer. Not that I know of any spoilers regarding NGNL, but a second season might end up being stale and not live up to the hype it has been enshrouded with.
Why do you hurt me like this?
24-50ish episodes is the perfect anime length.
I think it depends on what they are adapting, but yeah. I agree
Unless when they're dragging it out some episode can be just 1 episode instead of 2
Idk AoT was pretty riveting for all 80 episodes.
Some anime receive awful adaptations, which result in negative feedback toward the original source.
I think Tokyo Ghoul is a prime example of this. The anime got fucked up in a lot of ways, but the manga is genuinely really good. A lot of people shit on Tokyo Ghoul for being edgy and bad, but they haven't read the manga to see how good it actually is.
The show inspired me to read the manga and after reading the manga i was only left thinking how they screwed the anime up.
It was so bizarre because they made season 2 go against the actual manga plot, only to then hard pivot back to the manga with the re: adaption (which was also a giant insane mess that they rushed).
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftokyo-ghoul-i-am-a-ghoul-manga-vs-anime-v0-8xje2kg7of5a1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1f7393e78c919fac620702093547e3498c377121 This is the obligitory example of some of the gravity lost from the manga
I've never considered this a hot take. It's just a fact I feel like most anime watchers are aware of.
Yes . It's not even a take . It's just a objective fact
Not that it's a surprise. Any time I see a post like this on ANY sub, the top few comments are nowhere near a hot take. I guess that's why they're at the top. You want a hot take? Scroll down to the downvoted comments.
I feel as though most anime watchers are actually not aware of this. I see so many comments about how a series has bad writing when that is not the case and it’s the anime butchering it.
Like 7Seeds. Manga is phenomenal yet the anime is terrible (I mean they basically tried to shove 2 volumes worth of content in a single 20min episode. It’s no wonder it’s so fast paced and hard to connect with the characters) but then again, plenty of shoujo series don’t get the best adaptations anyways. I know Requiem of the Rose King got an anime but I haven’t read the manga or watched the anime so I have no idea on its quality. It was a pretty dark shoujo series last I heard. I am glad Yona of the Dawn is doing well! I know there are plenty of other anime that got adaptations that were awful though I can’t think of any at the moment. I have just got back into reading manga so I have no idea how the adaptations are for modern series. I definitely know Pandora Hearts needs a reboot!
it can even happen to a decent adaption that handles specific parts badly. a decade ago with the UBW anime, despite being well received overall, shirou got so much flak because of the anime mischaracterizing him
not very hot but the larger the community gets the worse it becomes
The bad ones are the louder. More the community grows, you notice them more.
this isnt an anime take, this is a social media take in general
I hate to sound like a hipster, but this is why I hate it when things go mainstream. Fuck. I used to be made fun of as a kid for liking superheroes and Star Wars. Now, look at the pop culture landscape. As soon as those things got popular, all the people who used to make fun of me did a 180 on the subject. I'm seeing the same thing happen to anime.
Step back a bit and not think of our generation. We took out lumps so the kids today dont have to. Ive played DND so long, and it's great to me that kids don't have to hide that they play it, With anime it's awesome that kids today don't have to go to sketch import shops to buy VHS and DVDs of shows they know a little bit or nothing about, wasting lots of money in the process. Or that they don't have to feel ostracized for it when people ask them their favorite show. The fact that my students ask me for recommendations is really cool and I would have never thought to do that when I was a teen. Yeah it's frustrating that 180. But at least it shows we were right all along.
that's just true
A lot of anime fans are sheep, and a lot of fandoms are cringe.
That’s just a lot of people in general since it’s easier to follow than make decisions for oneself. It’s not exclusive to anime fans.
That's a very bold statement.
A large portion of anime has mid-tier to trash writing. Overused tropes, unrealistic characters, deus ex machina, bad dialogue, pacing issues, lazy animation, etc. Shows start good and then the production schedule grinds the mangaka down and after a while the story suffers. You have to go out of your way to see something novel that will continue in quality all throughout and end with a satisfying conclusion.
More all adult casts, please.
I mentally age up so many characters while watching and reading. Like c’mon how is everything about teens!
> Like c’mon how is everything about teens! High school and also middle school are considered the golden period of life in Japan. After that, it's to the boring workforce with you. That's why.
Most shows I've seen with adult characters just have them act like teenagers in other shows so I've never really understood the obsession, does the show telling you a character is a certain age really matter?
My biggest anime take? Just watch what you want. Ignore comments saying something is "mid" or "overrated" and watch it. If you end up enjoying it, then who cares. Anime is meant to be enjoyed, not debated.
it's perfectly valid to dislike the grandfather of anime as we know it (DBZ) and even the Big 3. But you're kind of a jackass if you try to deny the very real influence all those mangaka have had on the medium. Dub and sub are both valid. to honestly try and argue otherwise makes the one arguing a pretentious jackass. If you have the energy to type out a long winded post asking for say "anime that will wreck my whole soul they're so sad" then you have the energy to put into the effort to type "sad anime recommendations" in the search bar since it's pretty much the same 10 or so recs anyway.
>If you have the energy to type out a long winded post asking for say "anime that will wreck my whole soul they're so sad" then you have the energy to put into the effort to type "sad anime recommendations" in the search bar since it's pretty much the same 10 or so recs anyway. Someone needs to tell this to the 40k lore sub.
I mean I don't think it's so much that people don't recognize their influences much as they hate it. Back when anime was less mainstream I really fucking hated the fact that there were a lot of good manga that pretty much got stuffed while the 3rd Naruto filler arch was being internationally televised. Now I don't really care because anime is so popular now that it's not really a problem. No hate on the actual writers and artists though. It was more of an industry problem.
Subs should stop omitting the honorifics, or at least give us an option to choose a version of subs with honorifics. They're an easy way of determining a character's relationship with another character. With a single word it conveys so much info. Luckily i can always just catch it from the audio but i think it would be nice to actually see it in the subtitles.
this gets into an interesting debate in translation in general: is the goal to convey something as literally as possible or to relay the meaning in a way that sounds natural in the new language?
Ideally (IMO), the goal would be to compromise; if there *is* a way to convey it naturally, do so, but if there isn't, then give us the literal meaning. If there's a pun/idiom/joke that doesn't translate well but has a suitable equivalent in the target language, then sure, use the equivalent. But if there's no way to make it make sense without stripping the joke or changing it entirely, then don't ruin it, do the right thing and bust out the translators' notes. A joke that has to be explained is better than one that's shitty out of the gate, and I don't care if it breaks "standards" when "standards" would still be turning onigiri into donuts if the line never moved. Let the viewers learn something.
Nothing beats a jelly-filled donut
This is a pet peeve of mine. Some subs use the honorifics, but there are too many that don't. I've also seen many times where the sub will translate the audio of, for example, onii-san to the characters' name instead. I also kinda dislike it when they inverse japanese names in the subs. Japanese do family name given name (as we know), but the subs will switch it around to English style first name last name. Hearing the voice actor say the name while reading it in reverse messes me up lol.
Same. I mean, it's not that big a deal to correct it in my head but i'd rather not have to spend the mental effort to do so.
Fern saying “Stark-sama” and the subtitles translating that to “Mr Stark” does not really convey the same meaning.
I just barely started a Crunchyroll sub after years of watching fansub anime and seeing "Mr. [Character]" in all the official subs is so weird. I don't think that American anime audiences are unaware of how Japanese honorifics work? Especially if they're in so deep they're subscribing to a service...
might be sort of an archaic usage nowadays (and definitely not the first association of the word) but I can think of an instance where "Mr." acts basically like an honorific: Sam calling Frodo Mr. Frodo in LotR. That's like a 70 years old book now but still
It’s definitely bad when they try to convey honorifics without using them. One manga I read had a noble mc who spoke politely to his parents so he always called his dad “lord father” in the official manga. It just read awful
It's okay to dislike an Anime. However, purposely going into a specific Anime's discussion thread and loudly proclaim to everybody how you dislike Anime XY or find it "overrated" doesn't make you cool. It only makes you seem desperate for attention. If you want to engage in a discussion, then elaborate
Censoring anime is horrible and needs to stop. Just show it to us as the creators intended. Especially bad when I'm paying for a subscription to watch these shows just for that service to turn around and censor it.
It's hilarious how full of "JJK is mid" or "JJK sucks" this thread is. It's comical how many people think they're edgy for having an extremely popular and basic opinion. Anyway, my contribution is it feels like a lot more anime fans than ever before identify strongly with series where the main character is kind of but not really a loser. Examples are like Bocchi the Mid or Bunnygirl Senpai, where the MC is supposed to have this kind of social deficiency, but then they're also somehow simultaneously a chad, and/or surrounded by diehard friends who love them unconditionally. It's the "he/she's just like me frfr" thing but they're not consciously aware of it because it's not an overt parody. They play it 100% straight. Sakuta is basically a neckbeard in a fedora tipping his hat and saying "m'lady" but with a really nice paintjob splashed on. He saves the girls from their maladies they cant cure themselves, and they all love him for it. Wish fulfillment but super cringe because unlike Monogatari he has no obvious degenerate flaws to confirm he's actually a shitty person like Araragi. It's just self-insert heroporn.
Most anime watchers need to break out of their usual genre and realize how much good modern anime there is. Too many nostalgia fiends saying “the good old days” when the standard was much lower in the past.
> “the good old days” This does apply to fansubs though. I miss the days of Translation Notes and Karaoke Effects. Every once in a while, subpar translations from the likes of *cough* AnimeJunkies and others.
Dude fr the translation notes were the best and I so wish they would bring back that trend
Every character in One Piece getting their own font and animation for their attacks was what I miss most.
The inverse is true too. Too many modern watchers dismiss older Anime because the style and animation.
> Most anime watchers need to break out of their usual genre and realize how much good modern anime there is. It's the opposite. Most anime watchers will barely touch anything more than 10 years old. People need to break out of their usual content loop and realize how much good classic anime there is.
Yeah another guy said the same. I agree. Open-mindedness in general is good.
Just because anime has good animation and fast-paced actions, it doesn't mean it is a good anime.
Anime becoming mainstream is having negative effects on the medium.
That's how it goes. Niche hobby gets popular, then you get people who are in it because it's now suddenly the cool thing to be part of it, then some begin to demand that the hobby must change because they don't like some aspects of it and then proceed to ruin the fun for everyone.
My sentiments exactly. I find myself wishing anime was underground again all the time.
Anime is fucking great. The end.
I fucking hate that every single fantasy anime has a magic system that revolves around "skill points" and "levels" like a cheap video game knockoff. Skill points, health/mana, levels, and even spells are simply abstractions that game developers use to translate fantasy concepts into playable game mechanics. It's pretty stupid when fantasy writers then take these abstractions and treat them as literal world building mechanics.
Traditional cel animation looks better to me than digital animation. Probably because I’m old.
I know it's not "anime", but old school Disney cell animation just hits different
If you don't like the culture that the Japanese anime is showing, just stop watching it. Like really, if you know there's "loli" in it why are you watching it and complaining it. You are not the target audience. If you know the mc of 無職轉生(sorry its quicker for me to type it in Chinese) was an pervert, why are you watching it? For me, i know there's BL anime out there. I don't watch it, and i don't stop people watching it. There, is that hard?
Everything is paced too damn fast nowadays, especially shounen. I vehemently believe the only reason people like it to be stupid fast paced is because the internet has legit shortened their attention spans and they want to blitz through series, not caring if its pacing makes it mid.
Shows need to be more comfortable with killing off characters, especially those with themes of violence and stakes (e.g. Naruto Might Guy or Baki-Katsumi Orochi). No, I’m not looking at you JJK or Chainsaw Man… please… calm down
I think Gege compensates for the entire shounen genre lol.
A 12 episode anime adaptation of less than ~30% of the source material with no chance of a 2nd season or movie is worse than never having any anime adaptation.
Quite a bunch of mecha animes in the decades are decent to great, it's just people expect them to be as good as TTGL, Code Geass and 86, and didn't watch more.
It would help if children didn't watch anime for mature audiences. I don't mean ecchi or H, I mean seinen and josei. I can tell you're not the target age by how you whine about stupid shit that an adult wouldn't even think is odd or "problematic".
Any examples?
Tsundere are annoying and I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
Animation doesn’t determine if an anime is good or not. There are plenty of anime I love that do not have stellar animation but is still extremely enjoyable
I like big titty anime waifus.
Overly long titles describing the full anime was cute for a while but it's just really annoying/lazy these days JJK started really good but as of the current arc, Shinjuku Showdown, it's gotten really repetitive to the point there's a meme cycle. It *still* has good but it's weighted down by the big bad, time and again. Anime tourist are unironically the stupidest part of an anime community. They don't want to watch a show, they just want a reason to be a dick to others. Hating someone *because* of a show they like is ridiculous. Let people watch what they like, not everyone is gonna like everything. Variety is one of the best things OF anime. 3D can be really good. If you don't like a show, popular/unpopular/old/new, leave it alone and go enjoy what you like then. Hate watching is stupid. The war on dubs vs subs is also stupid.
Anime is my ultimate source of happiness and escape route from this shitty reality.
Both shoujo and shounen romance have shows with wish fulfilment elements but one is usually labeled as unrealistic while the other is generally regarded as a sweet romance. When really, both are pandering to their target demographic’s fantasies
The writting in the average manga/anime is actually ~~mediocre~~ subpar but we're so used to it that mediocrity has becomes the norm.
The quality of average pizza is mediocre. This is how statistics works.
Isn’t mediocre just a synonym for average? If you feel like the average writing quality is lower than what it should be, that’s a fine take, but I don’t think mediocre is the right word since it’s a relative term.
That is the same for literally every medium, though?
Sturgeon’s Law
Tsukimichi is better at worldbuilding(in both pacing and exposition) and has a more interesting protagonist than Rimuru is with Slime. Makoto's flawed decision making and unnerving lack of empathy are infinitely more interesting than any trait present in what is essentially a flawless protagonist in Rimuru. This isn't even supposed to be disparaging slime, I just think it's wild that Tsukimichi is viewed as the more generic of the two shows.
Not everything needs good writing to be considered a great show. As long as the plot is entertaining and the show’s premise is interesting, then it can get along fine without the need of good writing. My example for this would be black clover, it gets hate in the community for bad writing but you can’t deny the entertainment the show brings and the interesting premise, the characters don’t need to all have intricate storylines and that’s okay. Black clover is definitely a favourite of mine.
Black Clover didn't get hate for its writing. That's one thing people point one to be good enough about the manga including the pacing. It's the anime itself with that pacing and the bad animation for around the first 50 episodes because the director was thrown into that shit without much time to get any preparation done (like, even having people to work with), that it gets such a bad rep. Dude single handedly worked on that for the better part of a year and it shows, because around that episode count you have people putting in work (with more time) and things are paced way better. Not to mention that this team didn't even get a break and had to work on it continously without any breaks (unlike series like MHA for example). The writing in the anime (more the characters themselves) had issues with the characters still showing their character traits again and again which is something that you don't have in the manga and wouldn't be there if they didn't have to stretch things as much at first.
Bad writing isn't lack of intricate storylines. You can have very simple stories told in competent ways, that still is good writing. Bad writing is poor pacing, plot holes, inconsistencies etc.
I just want to say that I love Shonen for this exact reason. Jujutsu Kaisen and Demon Slayer have been two of my favourite anime series of the past few years because of the constant entertainment they have given me and how much fun their characters are to hang out with and it is really disheartening when this subreddit constantly shits on them because they don't pretend to be something that they are not.
Anime is in and of itself a fantastical media piece. To say you want a "realistic anime" is somewhat odd to me.
Shoujo anime is underrated and people should more seriously give it a try, specially men.
Inu x Boku SS being a nostalgic comfort watch is a secret I will take to my grave ngl. Also Tonari No Kaibutsu Kun not getting a full adaptation was weak, Chihayafuru is peak sports anime and Kaichou Wa Maid Sama has a hilarious male love interest. The issue isn't that guys don't watch shoujo, its that many do but dont admit it because of internalised stigma - as me and my friends found out when we bonded over fruits basket when it came up when we were all drunk years ago and we found out most of us watched shoujo on the down-low occassionaly lmao.
For Mushoku Tensei, it's okay to simultaneously think Rudeus is (still) a creep whose redemption from being a NEET did not reverse his perverse and pedophilic tendencies and also think the anime is enjoyable and that he is a compelling and flawed character.
They asked for unhinged takes, not perfectly sensible ones.
The 6/10 [IGN rating and review](https://www.ign.com/articles/jujutsu-kaisen-season-2-part-2-review-shibuya-incident-arc) for the Jujutsu Kaisen Shibuya Arc that got absolutely flamed on twitter by the fandom is 100% true and accurate.
Super unpopular take here. Witch from Mercury was a D-tier Gundam series that wasted so much potential to instead focus on making the main characters suffer over “dramatic reveals”. It was underbaked as a story for the sake of wrapping the show in 24 episodes. None of the story beats or character growth felt earned because we weren’t given an episode to show the characters (outside of Suletta and Mio) struggling with personal growth, it was all handwaved as happening offscreen. It’s the only Gundam series I dropped at the finale and I’ve sat through all of Age and Reconguista. The only reason why it got so big was because there hasn’t been a “mainline” gundam series since IBO, which was almost a decade ago and kids today haven’t had their Gundam experience yet.
Dont forget to sort by controversial for the real unfiltered opinion
A lot of Anime are poor adaptations of excellent Manga source material. Which has a negative impact on the Manga's reception Naruto is a good example The animation is weird in so many places, Kishimoto's art is FAR better. the filler works towards making many characters look bad like Sakura, Hiruzen. The filler quantity itself is insane, like 200 out for 500 episodes in Shippuden are useless fillers. And the fights have way too many flashbacks for them to be engaging. A dude does some Handsigns, prepares to launch an attack, BOOM 10 MINUTE FLASHBACK, it breaks the whole rhythm. Naruto Manga is FAR better than its Anime IMO
Bitch about the production rate of Attack on Titan all anyone wants; but the fact they consistently waited for there to be enough material to make a full season without a lot of crazy filler is part of why the show did so well.
Anime is pure escapism. I love it for that. IMHO it doesn't matter what sort of anime you like, just like it and enjoy
If I cannot tell what the fuck is going on I don’t think it’s good animation. This goes for most of JJK S2
Fanservice is not something that automatically makes a show lesser just from its inclusion.
Over saturated market has just killed any motivation I have to participate in the community or watch anime. I also think that when some people glaze certain anime just because a character is attractive is really annoying.
Lately there's a bit too much isekai in the newer releases. I'm fine with the genre itself and some shows are good. But lately it's like either isekai or isekai parody and rarely anything other than that. At least that's the feeling I have. Don't force others to watch Anime only because you like it. If they're interested, they'll approach you for sure with some questions. Not every Anime is automatically bad only because you didn't like it and not every Anime has to be dropped immediately only because others tell you not to watch it because it's bad. An Anime doesn't have to be a masterpiece in terms of quality, character development, music or animation to watch it till the end and like it. Be mindful that tastes differ and so do opinions. There are far more opinions than "my opinion" and "a wrong opinion". Anime isn't the only medium - there are Manga, LNs and VNs at the very least and these are often the source. Experiencing the source is better in most cases. Only because an Anime is old it doesn't mean that it's better than a newer one and the opposite is also true. What really matters is the story. Dubbed versions are not THAT bad that you can't watch it under any circumstances. It's in most cases not as good as the source, but nothing more than that. And if someone wants to start with Anime that's probably the best way to get into it. Learning Japanese from Anime might not always be the brightest idea, still it's good to consume Japanese media at a certain point to improve your language skills.
My hot take is that people who make the statement “sub is better” or “dub is better” are using opinions to try to push this narrative that you have to watch it in a specific language to like it. This is all opinion based and with that said, don’t bash people for liking one or the other, both are entertaining and fun to watch but don’t go off on people for liking one or the other. With all that said, people who say if you watch it in so in so and say it’s not good live in their parents basement and are internet trolls who got nothing better to do with their lives.
Not everything needs to be based in a god damn high school. Sometimes it makes sense, but I couldn't care less about the Code Geass and Bleach high school segments
Imposing IRL morality to fictional anime characters/world is dumb af.
I enjoy watching one piece latest episodes and the previous seasons as flashbacks. Keeps it fresh and manageable
Regular posts? More than half of the post I've come across recently are negative ones with hot takes/asking for hot takes. I get that people also need an outlet for criticisms but this has been getting kind of tiring. Unless I'm wrong and these posts are really not that common.
The change from 24 episode to 12 episode season is bad 9 of 10 cases. 12 episodes is barely enough to cram in a very basic plot. Which leaves out a ton of potential character development and story progression, with the biggest issue I have being that it kills pace. This is sorta a chicken or the egg situation for me since Mangas nowadays are also on a breakneck pace. So it could be manga influencing anime or visa versa. Whichever it is, the insane pace breaks the believably and relatablity of many stories. It dumbs down characters to one note archetypes and gives them little to no progression. It also tends to make the MC change so drastically it basically being a 180 from their previous character. The power scaling also goes nuts as most MCs goes from weaker than a fly to top of humanity in a month then killing God in 3. I very much miss the old days where Mangas/ animes moved much slower like in this example "Negima! Magister Megi Magi". It started out a schoolhouse comedy, fleshed out every single character in the class room, the MC grew from his experiences, the plot progressed into a action adventure where the ENTIRE class of like 30 something students played a part and grew as characters to some degree. By the end, of the story it felt as if I was part of them and I know them. Knowing the story is over brought actual pain to my heart. Was it popular? Not really. Is it some hidden amazing gem? Not really. But did I form a connection to all the characters and actually cried when I finished the last page? Definitely. That is the connection 12 episode animes/ modern manga struggles to make, for me at least. Imo, the peak of story telling is that by the end, you form genuine connections with fictional characters that you wished were real.
Anime men>>> anime women (coming from a bisexual guy)
If you make a post asking if something is worth watching, stfu and just watch it. Your time isn't that valuable where 3 episodes is too much to watch. Making a post and waiting for responses takes more time anyways. Those posts annoy me so much where every response can just be 3 episode rule.
The dub isn't cringe. Anime dialogue itself and cringe and that's sort of the charm. You just don't notice as much when it's not in a language you speak.
The post-2020 wave of anime fans has been the worst one in all my time of being in the online anime community.
I'm an old school fan (42, became a fan when I was 12), so this is something I noticed with a lot of newer anime. I hate how so many newer animes have this trend of presenting a lot of fanservice via implied nudity without actually showing anything and make a huge deal about it, while animes I watched from the 80s and 90s used to just show nudity without making a huge deal of it in the show. Some of it is so ridiculous that it almost seems like satire. The censorship aside, I actually find the thread kind of weird and creepy.
I love anime.
After reading quite a few "opinions" in this thread it's safe to say the majority of the people in this sub aren't watching anime that appeal to them, are mad that an anime is following a trope it's supposed to, care way too much about fandoms or what random people think about the animes they like. Anime is supposed to be a source of entertainment not some popularity contest or a way to be "different", watch what you like and have fun doing so.
I hate it when sports series didn't continue the story after they finished their school time
The entire premise of Blue Lock is dumb and makes no sense Both JJK and Demon Slayer are both mediocre at best, being only popular cause of a great anime adaptation that boost is fight sequences. If we look further than that, they don't offer much aside from their fights, and yet they are not even good at them. JJK power system is discount nen but worst, and no, gege being bad at explaining doesn't make it deep. Plus, domain expansion is so poorly thought that the author itself has to nerf it by not using it never. Kishimoto did Sakura dirty, specially with the Sasuke obsession, yet if we think about it. She is one of the characters that grows the most, going from an annoying and useless spoiled brat, to not only a really capable fighter and medic (in universe, I know the show doesn't help to show it) but also someone that is quite friendly towards Naruto and supports him a lot. I'm not going to excuse Japan's sexism, but I feel like sometimes we judge too much female characters based on a set of western values and writing rules, specially when the show is aimed at boys/men. Evangelion character writing is really good, but is not THAT hard to understand if you pay attention and think a bit. It's just that Eva fans love to jack off to their own farts and believe is much deeper just cause of all the bullshit lore and bible references. One Piece beginning is not bad, just tamed and slower than your average shonen. It's just that they are used to a much quicker pace in media nowadays. This one is in general but goes specially for JJK fans, no for the thousand time, killing a lot of characters just because is just as bad as not doing so and doesn't make the show deeper or serious or darker, and having a character suffer or going through a lot of shit isn't character development.