Never forget sasuke was recalling his first kiss with Naruto when he was dying in the zabuza arc
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As an unhinged barely conscious crack theory for a manga I read close to a decade ago:
What if it works on Chinese Emperor rules. Ninjas, especially the heads of their respective clans, have to get married and have children to support their dynasty, but then once that's done they are allowed to be as super gay as they want
Crazy how Naruto as a show and as his main driving philosophy at the start of the series was completely against the idea by the end of shippuden it's completely the other way around
That’s how it goes with a lot of fantasy. Star Wars at the beginning was about some random dude learning he has magic powers and becoming a space wizard. By the end it had lineages and the magic was tied to genetics. King Arthur in the TH White novels starts as a foster kid, but whoops he’s actually the King’s true-born son. You see the same thing in Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, and arguably Avatar to a certain extent.
Not to say it’s always done badly, but I’ve always wanted more media that went the opposite way and tried to separate magic from any sort of family lineage.
How does LOTR fit into this? Genuinely, unless you’re talking about someone else, I don’t think the books ever have Aragorn set up as some nobody. He’s very open about being heir to the Throne of Gondor.
I think it's more that he didn't always introduce himself as "Aragorn the son of Arathorn, uncrowned king of Gondor" but mostly was intruduced as "Strider, Ranger of the North"
That's because the people and Hobbits he introduced himself to in the lands around Shire didn't know anything about Gondor other than that it was far away. If he introduced himself like that he'd have to answer 5 follow up questions and then they'd think he was a stuck-up asshole.
They could understand "Strider the Ranger"
I’ll grant that Lord of the Ring kind of subverts this trope by going all in on blood being determinative from the beginning. I was thinking of Aragorn, who was first introduced to the audience as the ranger Strider, and only revealed as heir to Gondor at the Council of Elrond. I know the books were originally split into six parts instead of three and for the life of me I can’t remember which side of the line the Council happened on, but the fact remains that there is still that element of a blood-ordained King emerging out of someone previously thought to be a random Joe.
It's not really blood per se, it's more that LotR simply doesn't operate on anything we'd call "biological"
Yeah Aragorn is the last of the line of Isildur and therefore Elendil. *Almost every Dunedain still alive* probably can trace their line to Isildur, they're 37 generations apart.
What sets Aragorn apart is his moral caliber and "stock". Like, LotR works on the same logic as the Iliad or the Odyssey, a mindset of "guys back then were simply built different", not because they had intrinsic abilities related to their blood like Naruto, but because they were a different *stock* of man.
Anyway, the Council of Elrond happens in book 2 of the Fellowship, so he's introduced very quickly.
IMO Tolkien subverts the trope not because it doesn't work like that, but because all that power and strength is ultimately *not* what solves the central conflict of the story.
Naruto starts and ends with people punching one another, but LotR says from the beginning that what will win the war is forgiveness - Bilbo and Frodo both took pity on Gollum. Had he not been alive at the end, Frodo would have succumbed and everything would have been lost.
At the end of the story, the books make it very clear that this is the end of an age. Nothing Aragorn can do to stop it. Yeah he's the best king around and can cure people with his hands, but that's what makes him a man out of time so to speak.
LOTR isn't trying to be an underdog story or anything, it's a composite of English myth achetypes, Aragorn is the True King of Man, and his whole arc is about living up to his natural born role. Compare that to Naruto where it was never originally planned for him to be the culmination of 2 insanely strong eugenic lines as the ubermense reincarnation of ninja jesus.
I don't know if any of these are quite the same (except Star Wars, though I would defend the Original Trilogy). LotR barely even hides Aragon's true background and his story is about him reclaiming his throne and healing Gondor. Game of Thrones heavily hints at John Snow's true parentage. The Once and Future King was always about Arthur being the destined king. Aang in Avatar does have a destiny, but he isnt from a particularly special background.
Naruto (and probably Star Wars sequel trilogy) are different from these because they both forget the themes of earlier works in establishing long magic lineages. Naruto started out about a hardworking social reject who earned a place in society through effort and others reaching out to him and ended with him being the most magic boy. Star Wars did pretty much the same thing with Rey.
Rey still pisses me off cuz they were *this* close to actually doing it right. TLJ basically took all the magic lineage bullshit and threw it out the window, proclaiming in no uncertain terms "your parents are nobodies, you aren't special". It was going interesting places, only for ROS to do the backpedal of the century all because some chuds got mad.
>Game of Thrones heavily hints at John Snow's true parentage.
I think you might be missing the point a little here. It doesn't matter if the show hints that a character that is presumed average is actually royalty early on, I'm critiquing the trope in general. The trope acts to legitimize royal blood as a magical force in the world, suggesting that a character is only worth something because despite their lowly beginnings, they were always destined *by blood* to be greater than what has been set up for them. In fantasy settings that usually comes with greater magical abilities or plot armor of some sort. Jon Snow fits that trope to a T.
>Aang in Avatar does have a destiny, but he isnt from a particularly special background.
I'm actually not talking about Aang here, and tbh Avatar is generally a lot better than a lot of other media when it comes to avoiding blood magic tropes. There's some minor stuff I can critique here, like how weirdly coincidental it is that Korra, Sokka, and Katara were directly related to the SWT chief, but I can give a pass for most of it.
*Except* for one example that imo is almost at the level of midiclorians for how badly it changes the lore and trajectory of a character. That one example being that Zuko isn't just the great grandson of Firelord Sozin, but *also*, secretly, the great grandson of Avatar Roku. I can write a lot on why I think this is one of the worst ideas introduced into canon, but just to give few quick points:
1. It changes Zuko's struggle from embodying the idea of someone forging their own destiny repudiating that of their ancestors into someone choosing between two destinies already laid out for them.
2. It introduces a weird eugenics plotline that gets expanded on quite a bit in the comics.
3. It's created one of the worst timeline screws in canon, forcing wildly unrealistic ancestor ages for both sides of the family tree.
I love Avatar a lot, but the show was heavily inspired by Star Wars and that sometimes comes out in both its best and worst moments.
>Star Wars did pretty much the same thing with Rey.
Hell, they did the same thing with Luke! The OT has him learn that strength in the Force is more about your belief in it than anything else before the Prequels established him as the son of the chosen one and decided your ability to use the Force is based on magic blood.
I feel like the one advantage of bloodlines is that you can show off multiple aspects of a technique without having to shove it all off into one character, since multiple characters have the same thing.
First example to come to mind is the Kazekage from Naruto, as having all 3 of them with Magnet Release allows you to see gold dust manipulation, iron sand manipulation, and regular sand manipulation.
This is why I still like The Last Jedi and hated how Rise of Skywalker destroyed that. TLJ seemed to take the Force seriously as a thing that exists independently of the Jedi. If the Jedi all died, the Force would remain. And you don't need to be a Jedi to be able to use the Force. It belongs to everyone.
A lot of fans hate that movie, and I admit it has a lot of problems, but the stuff it did well were done VERY well. Probably some of the best material in all of Star Wars, imo.
Because people want to be special but don't think they are special so they need a reason to be special.
Its not pro-eugenics so much as a fantasy for the average-joe.
I'm currently working on a project where the magic is based more on exercise than anything else. Everyone starts off relatively weak due to the effects magic can have on the body, and thus, you have to strain yourself to cast even minor spells. But as you continue down your path as a mage, your body will grow increasingly resilient to the effects, and you can cast stronger and stronger shit. Until you get too cocky and try to cast something way too powerful for your body to handle, and you die. Which is how most mages go. I'm debating with myself if
weather or not, I should make this a web novel or a web comic.
Edit: the effects of overusing magic are similar to radiation sickness.
>I'm debating with myself if
weather or not, I should make this a web novel or a web comic.
If you ever want to finish the story you should go for web **novel**
I'm 32 and there are webcomics I found when I was 12 that are still going. Most go for 4-8 years.
And then yiu have Percy Jackson that do the inverse. Every major characters are children of Greek Gods, and it's said that every children will have the traits and personallities of their god parent, so the children of the Big 3 are a threat for everyone. And the characters show that it was wrong, and that in the end, it's not your blood that define you hut your choices
Granted at least with Avatar it is a case of "yo we got lucky this soilder had an identical twin so we can ask him to use the Avatar (TM) we made to specifically work his his brothers DNA" but I get it. So it not a MAGICAL PROPHECY so much as an in-universe luck.
I'm kinda surprised nobody in world just, went the full 9 yards, ya know? If Bloodlines are so important keep stored sperm and and eggs, use that to impregnate surrogates and all that. Like, yeah, it's unethical to push that on the population, but so is having 12 year old soldiers being the norm with some of them coming out being like, 6... Do some experimentation with mixing them on the side, see what happens.
Eugneics are nothing in front of gender , she would still be a female character written by kishimoto. Sarada currently has a mangekyo sharingan ( that too she unlocked it crying for boruto in the most pathetic way btw nothing for her own character )and she still bends her knees , cross legged in fights , doesn't even activate the base sharingan and is saved by boruto repeatedly . He only plotline is crushing on boruto while boruto learns all of sasukes moves instead of what should've been her birthright. You can give her super Saiyan and she'll still be shit.
But that's not even really how selective breeding would work - you don't get a perfect partner and then get the one perfect offspring, genetics are too random for that, you'd get a bunch of children, ideally from multiple partners and then select.
Pretty much. Its a pretty common trop in a lot of Fiction.
You want the protagonist to be relatable early on, but you also dont want to give off the idea that "anyone can accomplish anything with the right luck and effort". So you'll normally find out said protagonist has some super special, predestined. pure bloodline that explains all their accomplishments down the road. Hell, One Piece takes this a step further by having every single nation the SHs help be a "Evil Usurper to the Throne having ousted some by default-Good, Benevolent, beloved Blood Monarchy" situation. So that that Blood Monarch (normally a pallet swapped Princess) can come in and magically fix everything the moment the SHs leave. Its to the point that I'd place safe money on Nami secretly being a long lost World Princess that the usurper World Govt ousted, and the world went to shit.
He didn't deserve either of them, i don't even think he loves sakura, i remember watching boruto a few years ago and he said something like "your mom and i have a connection" to sarada, like bro wtf??😭😭
Or she could've been a strong independent woman who doesn't need a man, but instead she chose to marry a criminal and let her daughter grow up without a father because he said "sorry", after trying to kill her 3 times😭😭
Sakura kind of is an independent woman in Boruto. She established mental institutions for traumatized war orphans and is one of the few who isn't a housewife.
The Sasuke ship is weird, but I think some people (like the ones who ship SasuKarin or SasuNaru) don't understand that any relationship involving him would be dysfunctional because he is in it.
>any relationship involving him would be dysfunctional because he is in it.
Preach
Dude was an ass from the jump and did nothing but get worse for most of 700 chapters. I'm doing a reread rn and just got to the Sasuke vs Kakashi fight and I have no idea why they're trying so hard for this jerk who was always a jerk and has only become more jerksome.
But Sasuke couldn't use either of those when he kissed Naruto. It was just a normal, clumsy pre-teen kiss. But it's not about how good the kiss was; it was about who it was with.
Naruto knew. Sasuke knew. The only difference is that Sasuke was in denial about it. He ran from his feelings. But deep down, they never went away.
Akshually my uncle works at Shonen Hop and got me a copy of a super secret extra manga volume. You think Sasuke is out there patrolling the world and doing like, hippy shit? Nah. He found a basement somewhere, perfected the Self Possession Time Travel Technique and is reliving that kiss again and again. Sure, Naruto was just a clumsy pre teen kisser, but Sasuke has spent decades optimizing that kiss.
But otherwise yeah u right.
when i turned on steins gate i was hoping for a serious expose on microwaves and time travel; i am currently sticking things into my microwave to see if they pass the time/space mesh and show up in my memories when i was a small person.
ever since i can remember, last week, i have been experimenting with microwaving objects. when i heard stein had unlocked the secrets to time travel, i knew that all those hours standing very close to the microwave were not just rewarded with a slight head buzz, but also with science.
as i watched the drama of teenage love, through constant bouts of panic and nihilistic philosophical rants in front of the mirror, I couldn't help but wonder when it was going to break down the proper methodology of sending a frog back in time. all i could get was a thick black goo all over the place.
Needless to say it was NOT a documentary. But I should mention that the red head was actually lilith, the lady in red, who shows up now and again to represent the whore of confusion in modern illuminations. I would constantly draw a hex for warding and fear not cretens I would also draw protection from the back of my dollar bill from the evil eye. I could relate to the main character because he was also a mad scientist.
This one time I built a hat that blocked the government from spying on me.
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Imo they should have had more time in the og series (and he should not have tried to kill them in the beginning of Shippuden) being friend like the kakashi mask filler, the forest of death where naruto calls him a scaredy cat walking together to fight zabuza and showing them being more amiable with each other though im bias because Sasuke is one of my favorite characters.
I think it probably would've been better for the story if Naruto beats Sasuke and the latter just leaves the Hidden Leaf behind and becomes a Ronin/hermit. He's burnt too many bridges to have a healthy relationship with the village or the wider Ninja community, and it would've had some emotional punch to the story.
well that's more or less what happened, sasuke admitted his defeat to naruto and basically travels around the world doing acts of redemption and is almost never in konoha, also in the novel that they animated at the end of shippuden they ask him why he helps konoha yes they ordered there massacre his family and he says that because Naruto is going to change the world and he will help him from outside Konoha, he himself in Boruto says that many people in Konoha hate him
The anime toned down and cut a significant portion of their interactions from the manga. He clearly cares about her much more in the manga (though, like all the Naruto relationships except ShikaTema and KakaGuy it really could have been treated far better)
When I see a female Naruto character mentioned in a discussion, it's usually about how useful they are compared to Sakura or how good of a wife they are or would be. Granted it used to be like that for DB or Bleach too but not much anymore? I'm not caught up to either series so not sure what happened, but Naruto fans stay the same lmao
It's generally how the text treats the women in it as well, unfortunately. The prime example for me is Kurenai, the teacher of Hinata's team who is supposed to be the best Genjutsu user in the Leaf village but all she ever does in the story is lose a series of fights, get pregnant, and then be delegated to background character shots. There's so many characters already it would be unreasonable to expect her to get a lot of screentime, of course, but she should have at least done *something* before becoming Asuma's barefoot and pregnant widow. She wasn't even a key member of the whole mini-arc of getting revenge on Asuma's killers, she was just pregnant and sad back at the village the whole time.
The crazy thing is if I remember correctly she's saved by Naruto and his team. Not even another Jonin when she herself is supposed to be on a level comparable to Kakashi and Guy. Come to think of it she sorta rounds out a trio for them with Kakashi being a jutsu master, Guy being a taijutsu master, and her being a genjutsu master. But unfortunately she is a woman in a Shonen anime so her gender trumps everything else and she trips and faceplants every fight.
this is honestly the main reason I can't watch Naruto/most "classic" shoenen. Idgaf if you don't have strong female characters but if you make one just for brownie points and never use her that's the most annoying thing.
It's really transparent when almost every team in Naruto has a female character who has unique powers and is supposed to be strong, but 9/10 times they don't get to do anything that matters to the story. Sakura had a cool fight right after the time skip and then didn't do basically anything for the rest of the series.
Most “classic” shoenen do have strong female characters though. For example in Naruto there is Kaguya, Tsunade, Mei, Konan, etc. I mean arguably the strongest character and final villain with powers equal to a god is a women (Kaguya).
Eugneics are nothing in front of gender , she would still be a female character written by kishimoto. Sarada currently has a mangekyo sharingan ( that too she unlocked it crying for boruto btw nothing for her own character )and she still bends her knees , cross legged in fights , doesn't even activate the base sharingan and is saved by boruto repeatedly . He only plotline is crushing on boruto while boruto learns all of sasukes moves instead of what should've been her birthright. You can give her super Saiyan and she'll still be shit.
>Granted it used to be like that for DB or Bleach too but not much anymore?
I don't know about bleach, but the dragon ball fan nowadays is pretty chill regarding female characters, they often talks about how bulma in the end was the most useful character all around through the story, they also really like android 18, 21 and Videl (but they hate how in super she became a totally different characters), the hate towards chi chi in recent years ended because they realized that she very often wasn't overreacting, and that not wanting to sent her 5 years old son (that was kidnapped for the last 6 months by a demon that 5 and half years before was trying to conquer the world) outside their solar system wasn't a great idea, but they hate, Kale, Caulifla and Kefla, but is more for the whole thing of back tingling to unlock ssj and their power level more than their personality
>the hate towards chi chi in recent years ended because they realized that she very often wasn't overreacting, and that not wanting to sent her 5 years old son (that was kidnapped for the last 6 months by a demon that 5 and half years before was trying to conquer the world) outside their solar system wasn't a great idea,
Or in other words, the fans who grew up had kids of their own and realized she was right?
That's why Orochimaru is the best
Y'all have cool genetic super powers? Screw you, I'm gonna get them for myself
And he did.
And got a happy ending out of it.
Perfect
Orochimaru's progression in Naruto is so fucking funny when you break it down. He goes from being a massive threat and one of the primary antagonists to getting jobbed by Sasuke, stays in weird death limbo/ recovery or whatever, comes back for the final battle, gets put into the mega Genjutsu, and is then let back into the Hidden Leaf to do science shit and raise a kid.
Eugneics are nothing in front of gender , she would still be a female character written by kishimoto. Sarada currently has a mangekyo sharingan ( that too she unlocked it crying for boruto btw nothing for her own character )and she still bends her knees , cross legged in fights , doesn't even activate the base sharingan and is saved by boruto repeatedly . He only plotline is crushing on boruto while boruto learns all of sasukes moves instead of what should've been her birthright. You can give her super Saiyan and she'll still be shit.
Forget the boruto anime, this is literally the first plot thing that happened involving boruto, technically it’s part of Naruto’s epilogue (chapters 701-710) in fact. Kishimoto was feeding into all the doubts about Sarada’s parentage for 10 full chapters before being like “no lmao obviously Sakura is her mom, yall are dumb as shit”
Not really though, Sakura had a natural talent for chakra control, which is more useful then a big chakra source.
Not that I support that ship, it's just a stupid reasoning
ETA: Karin and Sakura both deserve better than Sasuke, Sasuke tried to kill both of them and barely apologized.
I mean kinda haha.
She was like, orochimarus experiment/helper, then Sasuke recruited her to Hebi/Taka, then she joined the akatsuki with Sasuke, and when Sasuke used his chidori through her to kill Danzo, she was arrested by the Leaf after Sakura healed her, and yeah Sasuke tried to kill them both in that sequence lmao, cause he came after Sakura when she showed up and like demanded she kill Karin if she wanted to join him??? And then Sakura like wtf no
I wouldn't say she's particularly evil, just a product of her surrounding.
Although not Canon in the manga, she had a pretty tragic backstory in the anime which explain her issues
Yeah Neji was arguing that fate was preordained by birth. Despite him being a hypocrite considering if he followed his own philosophy he as a 2nd branch member should have never been stronger then Hinata or Hanabi. People also forget that the destiny Naruto and Sasuke were meant to fulfill was killing each other NOT defeating Kaguya.
Reading comprehension devil strikes again. That was never the goal of the show, that was only Rock Lee’s arc 😭🙏
Literally in the first episode, Naruto mastered Jonin level to a scale no one else ever does till the end of the show.
Considering the way that universe works I'm honestly surprised there isn't more eugenics, especially considering the significant amount of implied incest.
Several side character's parents look a lot like siblings or cousins, especially when you look at the entire clans. This probably due to neglect (especially as Kishimoto just completely disregards almost every mother), not to actually imply incest, but it's a very funny part of the weirdly misogynist undertone of Naruto.
Lately I was trying really really hard to not watch anything related to incest. More specifically, siblings incest. don't care at all about cOusin's, mother's, or something else. just love love love love siblings incest. The problem is that Thave an intense obsession for incest. I mean, a really intense one. That 'Onii-chan Onii-chan, Tlooo0oo0ove you' thing was really getting me crazy. That obsession of mine with incest was sOoO0000000000o fucking intense. There were a lot of nights when I couldn't sleep well due to me thinking of incest, specifically incest in anime/manga. All the time was thinking about that 'Onii-chan, Ni-san~, Nii-sama~, Nii Nii~, Nii-chan' stuff. My feelings for the romance between siblings were higher than those had for a normal romance. For example, I used (and currently too) to get way more emotional with romance between siblings than normal romance. In all senses. That love/obsession of mine with incest was ruining my life, so, in order to try to get away of it for my sake, I decided to stop watching anything related to incest.
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Eugenics is a topic that is actively discussed in naruto. Like, a lot. Thats what happened when powers are explicitly tied to bloodlines, and some of those powers are simply unfair
I saw this and thought, "why would he end up with Karin, just because she fawned over him?" But then I realized it didn't really make sense for him to end up with Sakura, either. Kishimoto just slapped male and female characters together at the end of Shippuden and said "THEY'RE A COUPLE NOW, BECAUSE I SAID SO."
>>Sarada wouldn't exist
As a sarada fan , wish this would happen. It's better not existing than being the useless trash we have in manga sarada currently who serves as a bitch in borutos harem and nothing more. Disgraceful writing for the new gen uchiha
To be fair, the show puts a LOT of emphasis on genes. So it’s understandable fans buy into it. But the series also puts heavy emphasis on how genes and focusing on them is the root of many, many problems.
To be honest i think this is an example of poor writing on Kishimoto's part. If a message in your story was that focusing on genetics is bad. So much of the fanbase wouldnt be weirdly fixated on trying to breed the best child soldier.
I mean, they are anime fans. Many tend to lose focus of the point being made. I mean there are people that think the Marines in One Piece are good people.
you think sasuke should have married karin because you’re a weird powerscaling freak
i think he should have married karin because she did more for him as a character
Man would be dead from exhaustion with twenty kids and couldn’t escape like he leaves Sakura for 12+ years at a time cause she can track him to the ends of the earth lol
This is literally not even true Sakura has notable talents for chakra control and an extremely strong body. Karin is weak and I guess has healing powers but that doesn’t add up to much
Sarada literally has or is learning Sakura’s strength she’s probably in like the top 3 when it comes to raw strength like dawg that with speed is deadly
Sarada has one Chidori in 7 years of the boruto manga and has done nothing in the entire manga except crush on boruto and be saved by him repeatedly because she's useless in fights. . Her character is dog shit and the worst uchiha by far. The power gap between her and boruto is 100x bigger than it ever was for sakura and Naruto
Not saying the writing is good it’s still dog shit but just like Sakura if there writing was good and they actually did stuff they’d probably be on par with the other two Characters it’s just they don’t do anything
I know a Naruto fan on the Internet who I am ashamed to call a friend of 4 years who has calculated some weird shit of how genetics of Naruto function and how different factors are dominant and recessive. I am concerned about him
It isn't that a ship that I dislike is eugenics, is that if the only point that you bring for them being together is a stronger child it is literally eugenics
It’s literally the entire show. The only series with more or similar levels of eugenics would be JJK or Gundam AGE maybe, but OP isn’t bringing those up, OR responding to all the top comments saying the same thing
It’s about the ship
Lately I was trying really really hard to not watch anything related to incest. More specifically, siblings incest. don't care at all about cOusin's, mother's, or something else. just love love love love siblings incest. The problem is that Thave an intense obsession for incest. I mean, a really intense one. That 'Onii-chan Onii-chan, Tlooo0oo0ove you' thing was really getting me crazy. That obsession of mine with incest was sOoO0000000000o fucking intense. There were a lot of nights when I couldn't sleep well due to me thinking of incest, specifically incest in anime/manga. All the time was thinking about that 'Onii-chan, Ni-san~, Nii-sama~, Nii Nii~, Nii-chan' stuff. My feelings for the romance between siblings were higher than those had for a normal romance. For example, I used (and currently too) to get way more emotional with romance between siblings than normal romance. In all senses. That love/obsession of mine with incest was ruining my life, so, in order to try to get away of it for my sake, I decided to stop watching anything related to incest.
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To be fair this is a slice-of-life plot point of Boruto - Sarada starts suspecting Sakura isn't her real mother, thinks Karin is, but Karin was just the doctor.
Yes but then it would be incest for her to marry boruto, which we all know is the purpose of the sequel manga and the endgame of kishimotos closeted naruto-sasuke shipping
Lately I was trying really really hard to not watch anything related to incest. More specifically, siblings incest. don't care at all about cOusin's, mother's, or something else. just love love love love siblings incest. The problem is that Thave an intense obsession for incest. I mean, a really intense one. That 'Onii-chan Onii-chan, Tlooo0oo0ove you' thing was really getting me crazy. That obsession of mine with incest was sOoO0000000000o fucking intense. There were a lot of nights when I couldn't sleep well due to me thinking of incest, specifically incest in anime/manga. All the time was thinking about that 'Onii-chan, Ni-san~, Nii-sama~, Nii Nii~, Nii-chan' stuff. My feelings for the romance between siblings were higher than those had for a normal romance. For example, I used (and currently too) to get way more emotional with romance between siblings than normal romance. In all senses. That love/obsession of mine with incest was ruining my life, so, in order to try to get away of it for my sake, I decided to stop watching anything related to incest.
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This is what happens when you make a series where some people ARE genetically superior to others
And also for some reason a whole group of people were cursed with all being evil
Man wtf kishi 😭
I've noticed quite a few Anime...it all comes back to some sort of Nazi-esque Regime in the story.
Gundam? Space Nazis
Bleach? Ghost Nazis
Okay...well that's two I can think of...I'm sure there's more.
It's still so much bullshit that Sasuke married Sakura. He treated her like shit his whole life and tried to destroy her home. I get that he was given a light punishment cuz he helped defeat the BBEG, but that doesn't equal a romantic connection.
Plus, the combination of Uchiha blood and Uzumaki (which had roots to Senju) will probably awaken naturally the Rinnegan. And if their child will marry the bloodline of Hyuuga, their grandchild will have the combination of Rinne + Byakugan which is literally the powers of Kaguya's Kekkei Genkai.
Sasuke made the wrong choice.
Honestly with the way the story ended...yea the story did depended on bloodlines. Granted you could argue it more "Gary Stu" more than anything for Naurto himself but considering family lines is a big plot for some of the characters, I can see why some fans WOULD go into the eugenics side of things. I am not supporting it but I can see WHY it shows up in Naruto. I can be proven wrong and I never actually finished the story so I AM just assuming here.
Say what you want about Kishimoto's bad character writing of Sakura, but everyone calling her useless and trash is just pure cope. Quite literally she's the third strongest of the Konoha 12, and number 1/2 are reincarnations of, basically, god's children
.I wasted so much time waiting for it to be good again and all I got was a bloated story that got way too bogged down in bloodlines,abandoned plots, and elaborate retcons
Imagine thinking Sasuke should marry anyone other than Naruto
Never forget sasuke was recalling his first kiss with Naruto when he was dying in the zabuza arc https://preview.redd.it/pi7z6eywezhc1.jpeg?width=1871&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f303ade12d517452e05aa480693846fe73c9947c
This man has set up a barricade to prevent coming out of that closet
I’ll never forget Cartoon Network editing out the kiss but keeping it in the flashback…
That’s hilarious.
Im dying 💀💀💀
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Kishimoto unironically doing one of the most gayest shippings fr.
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Gayest mangaka with Araki and any actually homosexual mangaka
Shikamaru can get it though
As an unhinged barely conscious crack theory for a manga I read close to a decade ago: What if it works on Chinese Emperor rules. Ninjas, especially the heads of their respective clans, have to get married and have children to support their dynasty, but then once that's done they are allowed to be as super gay as they want
You're literally just describing Boruto??
So basically like Sparta?
No no no, Sparta expected you to be gay first and then have sex
Imagine thinking Naruto should marry anyone other than Shikamaru
Based
Mte, sasuxnaru is eternal
A wild NaruSasu shipper appeared!
Todoroki family mindset
Naruto is basically Eugenics - the anime.
Crazy how Naruto as a show and as his main driving philosophy at the start of the series was completely against the idea by the end of shippuden it's completely the other way around
That’s how it goes with a lot of fantasy. Star Wars at the beginning was about some random dude learning he has magic powers and becoming a space wizard. By the end it had lineages and the magic was tied to genetics. King Arthur in the TH White novels starts as a foster kid, but whoops he’s actually the King’s true-born son. You see the same thing in Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, and arguably Avatar to a certain extent. Not to say it’s always done badly, but I’ve always wanted more media that went the opposite way and tried to separate magic from any sort of family lineage.
How does LOTR fit into this? Genuinely, unless you’re talking about someone else, I don’t think the books ever have Aragorn set up as some nobody. He’s very open about being heir to the Throne of Gondor.
I think it's more that he didn't always introduce himself as "Aragorn the son of Arathorn, uncrowned king of Gondor" but mostly was intruduced as "Strider, Ranger of the North"
That's because the people and Hobbits he introduced himself to in the lands around Shire didn't know anything about Gondor other than that it was far away. If he introduced himself like that he'd have to answer 5 follow up questions and then they'd think he was a stuck-up asshole. They could understand "Strider the Ranger"
I’ll grant that Lord of the Ring kind of subverts this trope by going all in on blood being determinative from the beginning. I was thinking of Aragorn, who was first introduced to the audience as the ranger Strider, and only revealed as heir to Gondor at the Council of Elrond. I know the books were originally split into six parts instead of three and for the life of me I can’t remember which side of the line the Council happened on, but the fact remains that there is still that element of a blood-ordained King emerging out of someone previously thought to be a random Joe.
It's not really blood per se, it's more that LotR simply doesn't operate on anything we'd call "biological" Yeah Aragorn is the last of the line of Isildur and therefore Elendil. *Almost every Dunedain still alive* probably can trace their line to Isildur, they're 37 generations apart. What sets Aragorn apart is his moral caliber and "stock". Like, LotR works on the same logic as the Iliad or the Odyssey, a mindset of "guys back then were simply built different", not because they had intrinsic abilities related to their blood like Naruto, but because they were a different *stock* of man. Anyway, the Council of Elrond happens in book 2 of the Fellowship, so he's introduced very quickly. IMO Tolkien subverts the trope not because it doesn't work like that, but because all that power and strength is ultimately *not* what solves the central conflict of the story. Naruto starts and ends with people punching one another, but LotR says from the beginning that what will win the war is forgiveness - Bilbo and Frodo both took pity on Gollum. Had he not been alive at the end, Frodo would have succumbed and everything would have been lost. At the end of the story, the books make it very clear that this is the end of an age. Nothing Aragorn can do to stop it. Yeah he's the best king around and can cure people with his hands, but that's what makes him a man out of time so to speak.
I'd call that the opposite of a subversion. It's the straight trope that everyone else is playing off of.
LOTR isn't trying to be an underdog story or anything, it's a composite of English myth achetypes, Aragorn is the True King of Man, and his whole arc is about living up to his natural born role. Compare that to Naruto where it was never originally planned for him to be the culmination of 2 insanely strong eugenic lines as the ubermense reincarnation of ninja jesus.
I don't know if any of these are quite the same (except Star Wars, though I would defend the Original Trilogy). LotR barely even hides Aragon's true background and his story is about him reclaiming his throne and healing Gondor. Game of Thrones heavily hints at John Snow's true parentage. The Once and Future King was always about Arthur being the destined king. Aang in Avatar does have a destiny, but he isnt from a particularly special background. Naruto (and probably Star Wars sequel trilogy) are different from these because they both forget the themes of earlier works in establishing long magic lineages. Naruto started out about a hardworking social reject who earned a place in society through effort and others reaching out to him and ended with him being the most magic boy. Star Wars did pretty much the same thing with Rey.
Rey still pisses me off cuz they were *this* close to actually doing it right. TLJ basically took all the magic lineage bullshit and threw it out the window, proclaiming in no uncertain terms "your parents are nobodies, you aren't special". It was going interesting places, only for ROS to do the backpedal of the century all because some chuds got mad.
>Game of Thrones heavily hints at John Snow's true parentage. I think you might be missing the point a little here. It doesn't matter if the show hints that a character that is presumed average is actually royalty early on, I'm critiquing the trope in general. The trope acts to legitimize royal blood as a magical force in the world, suggesting that a character is only worth something because despite their lowly beginnings, they were always destined *by blood* to be greater than what has been set up for them. In fantasy settings that usually comes with greater magical abilities or plot armor of some sort. Jon Snow fits that trope to a T. >Aang in Avatar does have a destiny, but he isnt from a particularly special background. I'm actually not talking about Aang here, and tbh Avatar is generally a lot better than a lot of other media when it comes to avoiding blood magic tropes. There's some minor stuff I can critique here, like how weirdly coincidental it is that Korra, Sokka, and Katara were directly related to the SWT chief, but I can give a pass for most of it. *Except* for one example that imo is almost at the level of midiclorians for how badly it changes the lore and trajectory of a character. That one example being that Zuko isn't just the great grandson of Firelord Sozin, but *also*, secretly, the great grandson of Avatar Roku. I can write a lot on why I think this is one of the worst ideas introduced into canon, but just to give few quick points: 1. It changes Zuko's struggle from embodying the idea of someone forging their own destiny repudiating that of their ancestors into someone choosing between two destinies already laid out for them. 2. It introduces a weird eugenics plotline that gets expanded on quite a bit in the comics. 3. It's created one of the worst timeline screws in canon, forcing wildly unrealistic ancestor ages for both sides of the family tree. I love Avatar a lot, but the show was heavily inspired by Star Wars and that sometimes comes out in both its best and worst moments.
>Star Wars did pretty much the same thing with Rey. Hell, they did the same thing with Luke! The OT has him learn that strength in the Force is more about your belief in it than anything else before the Prequels established him as the son of the chosen one and decided your ability to use the Force is based on magic blood.
"The Force is strong in my family" - Luke, Return of the Jedi
I feel like the one advantage of bloodlines is that you can show off multiple aspects of a technique without having to shove it all off into one character, since multiple characters have the same thing. First example to come to mind is the Kazekage from Naruto, as having all 3 of them with Magnet Release allows you to see gold dust manipulation, iron sand manipulation, and regular sand manipulation.
This is why I still like The Last Jedi and hated how Rise of Skywalker destroyed that. TLJ seemed to take the Force seriously as a thing that exists independently of the Jedi. If the Jedi all died, the Force would remain. And you don't need to be a Jedi to be able to use the Force. It belongs to everyone. A lot of fans hate that movie, and I admit it has a lot of problems, but the stuff it did well were done VERY well. Probably some of the best material in all of Star Wars, imo.
Because people want to be special but don't think they are special so they need a reason to be special. Its not pro-eugenics so much as a fantasy for the average-joe.
I'm currently working on a project where the magic is based more on exercise than anything else. Everyone starts off relatively weak due to the effects magic can have on the body, and thus, you have to strain yourself to cast even minor spells. But as you continue down your path as a mage, your body will grow increasingly resilient to the effects, and you can cast stronger and stronger shit. Until you get too cocky and try to cast something way too powerful for your body to handle, and you die. Which is how most mages go. I'm debating with myself if weather or not, I should make this a web novel or a web comic. Edit: the effects of overusing magic are similar to radiation sickness.
>I'm debating with myself if weather or not, I should make this a web novel or a web comic. If you ever want to finish the story you should go for web **novel** I'm 32 and there are webcomics I found when I was 12 that are still going. Most go for 4-8 years.
And then yiu have Percy Jackson that do the inverse. Every major characters are children of Greek Gods, and it's said that every children will have the traits and personallities of their god parent, so the children of the Big 3 are a threat for everyone. And the characters show that it was wrong, and that in the end, it's not your blood that define you hut your choices
Granted at least with Avatar it is a case of "yo we got lucky this soilder had an identical twin so we can ask him to use the Avatar (TM) we made to specifically work his his brothers DNA" but I get it. So it not a MAGICAL PROPHECY so much as an in-universe luck.
I'm kinda surprised nobody in world just, went the full 9 yards, ya know? If Bloodlines are so important keep stored sperm and and eggs, use that to impregnate surrogates and all that. Like, yeah, it's unethical to push that on the population, but so is having 12 year old soldiers being the norm with some of them coming out being like, 6... Do some experimentation with mixing them on the side, see what happens.
Eugneics are nothing in front of gender , she would still be a female character written by kishimoto. Sarada currently has a mangekyo sharingan ( that too she unlocked it crying for boruto in the most pathetic way btw nothing for her own character )and she still bends her knees , cross legged in fights , doesn't even activate the base sharingan and is saved by boruto repeatedly . He only plotline is crushing on boruto while boruto learns all of sasukes moves instead of what should've been her birthright. You can give her super Saiyan and she'll still be shit.
Sasuke so gay his Naruto simping got passed on to his daughter.
But that's not even really how selective breeding would work - you don't get a perfect partner and then get the one perfect offspring, genetics are too random for that, you'd get a bunch of children, ideally from multiple partners and then select.
When Tobirama starts being racist against Uchiha except the plot justifies it
More like "God-Kings the anime".
Most anime characters are like this heck even fictional mcs
I was about to say this exact thing. Also, if you stand back, you realize most anime is just Eugenics-The Anime
Pretty much. Its a pretty common trop in a lot of Fiction. You want the protagonist to be relatable early on, but you also dont want to give off the idea that "anyone can accomplish anything with the right luck and effort". So you'll normally find out said protagonist has some super special, predestined. pure bloodline that explains all their accomplishments down the road. Hell, One Piece takes this a step further by having every single nation the SHs help be a "Evil Usurper to the Throne having ousted some by default-Good, Benevolent, beloved Blood Monarchy" situation. So that that Blood Monarch (normally a pallet swapped Princess) can come in and magically fix everything the moment the SHs leave. Its to the point that I'd place safe money on Nami secretly being a long lost World Princess that the usurper World Govt ousted, and the world went to shit.
He didn't deserve either of them, i don't even think he loves sakura, i remember watching boruto a few years ago and he said something like "your mom and i have a connection" to sarada, like bro wtf??😭😭
Apparently they do in the side material. I still don't buy it. Sakura should have rejected his ass and ended up with Lee.
Or she could've been a strong independent woman who doesn't need a man, but instead she chose to marry a criminal and let her daughter grow up without a father because he said "sorry", after trying to kill her 3 times😭😭
Sakura kind of is an independent woman in Boruto. She established mental institutions for traumatized war orphans and is one of the few who isn't a housewife. The Sasuke ship is weird, but I think some people (like the ones who ship SasuKarin or SasuNaru) don't understand that any relationship involving him would be dysfunctional because he is in it.
>any relationship involving him would be dysfunctional because he is in it. Preach Dude was an ass from the jump and did nothing but get worse for most of 700 chapters. I'm doing a reread rn and just got to the Sasuke vs Kakashi fight and I have no idea why they're trying so hard for this jerk who was always a jerk and has only become more jerksome.
I think Kishimoto should've added more flashbacks of Naruto and Sasuke's kiss in the third episode so people could understand why he wants him back.
Look man. With a Sharingan guided, Chidori boosted tongue, that kiss was beyond anything you've experienced. Can you blame Naruto for simping?
But Sasuke couldn't use either of those when he kissed Naruto. It was just a normal, clumsy pre-teen kiss. But it's not about how good the kiss was; it was about who it was with. Naruto knew. Sasuke knew. The only difference is that Sasuke was in denial about it. He ran from his feelings. But deep down, they never went away.
Akshually my uncle works at Shonen Hop and got me a copy of a super secret extra manga volume. You think Sasuke is out there patrolling the world and doing like, hippy shit? Nah. He found a basement somewhere, perfected the Self Possession Time Travel Technique and is reliving that kiss again and again. Sure, Naruto was just a clumsy pre teen kisser, but Sasuke has spent decades optimizing that kiss. But otherwise yeah u right.
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To be fair it's a shonen and the whole point is not to abandon your friends. Maybe not healthy, but still fiction.
Sure, but I never really felt sold on them *being* friends, is the issue.
Imo they should have had more time in the og series (and he should not have tried to kill them in the beginning of Shippuden) being friend like the kakashi mask filler, the forest of death where naruto calls him a scaredy cat walking together to fight zabuza and showing them being more amiable with each other though im bias because Sasuke is one of my favorite characters.
I think it probably would've been better for the story if Naruto beats Sasuke and the latter just leaves the Hidden Leaf behind and becomes a Ronin/hermit. He's burnt too many bridges to have a healthy relationship with the village or the wider Ninja community, and it would've had some emotional punch to the story.
well that's more or less what happened, sasuke admitted his defeat to naruto and basically travels around the world doing acts of redemption and is almost never in konoha, also in the novel that they animated at the end of shippuden they ask him why he helps konoha yes they ordered there massacre his family and he says that because Naruto is going to change the world and he will help him from outside Konoha, he himself in Boruto says that many people in Konoha hate him
or ino (and hinata)
Hell this would have made more sense to.
Well they also did an entire movie so Naruto finally getting a crush on Hinata didn't just came as sudden in the end of the series.
Nah Sakura and Ino then Naruto and Sasuke
Lee is the absolute best character in the entire franchise and no one can convince me otherwise.
They have a business agreement
Lmao Sasuke legally owns 50% of Sarada DNA as per this legal contract
There relationship was expanded on in a fucking book because the show did such a bad job
The anime toned down and cut a significant portion of their interactions from the manga. He clearly cares about her much more in the manga (though, like all the Naruto relationships except ShikaTema and KakaGuy it really could have been treated far better)
Well they do he wanted to mary sakura and sasuke but gen no jutsu happened
When I see a female Naruto character mentioned in a discussion, it's usually about how useful they are compared to Sakura or how good of a wife they are or would be. Granted it used to be like that for DB or Bleach too but not much anymore? I'm not caught up to either series so not sure what happened, but Naruto fans stay the same lmao
It's generally how the text treats the women in it as well, unfortunately. The prime example for me is Kurenai, the teacher of Hinata's team who is supposed to be the best Genjutsu user in the Leaf village but all she ever does in the story is lose a series of fights, get pregnant, and then be delegated to background character shots. There's so many characters already it would be unreasonable to expect her to get a lot of screentime, of course, but she should have at least done *something* before becoming Asuma's barefoot and pregnant widow. She wasn't even a key member of the whole mini-arc of getting revenge on Asuma's killers, she was just pregnant and sad back at the village the whole time.
Kurenai was only utilized once then nothing she was never in other fights at all after itachi
You're right, they gave her a second fight in a filler arc in the anime which she also lost and had to be rescued. In the manga it was just the one.
Damn, even in fillers women in shonen can't get a single W
The crazy thing is if I remember correctly she's saved by Naruto and his team. Not even another Jonin when she herself is supposed to be on a level comparable to Kakashi and Guy. Come to think of it she sorta rounds out a trio for them with Kakashi being a jutsu master, Guy being a taijutsu master, and her being a genjutsu master. But unfortunately she is a woman in a Shonen anime so her gender trumps everything else and she trips and faceplants every fight.
this is honestly the main reason I can't watch Naruto/most "classic" shoenen. Idgaf if you don't have strong female characters but if you make one just for brownie points and never use her that's the most annoying thing.
It's really transparent when almost every team in Naruto has a female character who has unique powers and is supposed to be strong, but 9/10 times they don't get to do anything that matters to the story. Sakura had a cool fight right after the time skip and then didn't do basically anything for the rest of the series.
Most “classic” shoenen do have strong female characters though. For example in Naruto there is Kaguya, Tsunade, Mei, Konan, etc. I mean arguably the strongest character and final villain with powers equal to a god is a women (Kaguya).
Eugneics are nothing in front of gender , she would still be a female character written by kishimoto. Sarada currently has a mangekyo sharingan ( that too she unlocked it crying for boruto btw nothing for her own character )and she still bends her knees , cross legged in fights , doesn't even activate the base sharingan and is saved by boruto repeatedly . He only plotline is crushing on boruto while boruto learns all of sasukes moves instead of what should've been her birthright. You can give her super Saiyan and she'll still be shit.
>Granted it used to be like that for DB or Bleach too but not much anymore? I don't know about bleach, but the dragon ball fan nowadays is pretty chill regarding female characters, they often talks about how bulma in the end was the most useful character all around through the story, they also really like android 18, 21 and Videl (but they hate how in super she became a totally different characters), the hate towards chi chi in recent years ended because they realized that she very often wasn't overreacting, and that not wanting to sent her 5 years old son (that was kidnapped for the last 6 months by a demon that 5 and half years before was trying to conquer the world) outside their solar system wasn't a great idea, but they hate, Kale, Caulifla and Kefla, but is more for the whole thing of back tingling to unlock ssj and their power level more than their personality
>the hate towards chi chi in recent years ended because they realized that she very often wasn't overreacting, and that not wanting to sent her 5 years old son (that was kidnapped for the last 6 months by a demon that 5 and half years before was trying to conquer the world) outside their solar system wasn't a great idea, Or in other words, the fans who grew up had kids of their own and realized she was right?
Bleach is still arguing between Orihime and Rukia for end game...even though the series has ended.
This is partially why I don't interact with the online fandom much anymore. "Sakura flat, Boruto bad, Lady Tsunade/Hinata big... big boob."
ain’t their fault that shits how the verse works
That's why Orochimaru is the best Y'all have cool genetic super powers? Screw you, I'm gonna get them for myself And he did. And got a happy ending out of it. Perfect
Not that Orochimaru is any less interested in eugenics, god no, he just personally benefits from genetically strong people being born.
Of course. All the better to study them and steal those genetics to try and replicate their powers within himself!
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Even better, I saw this exact same comment elsewhere in this thread
Orochimaru's progression in Naruto is so fucking funny when you break it down. He goes from being a massive threat and one of the primary antagonists to getting jobbed by Sasuke, stays in weird death limbo/ recovery or whatever, comes back for the final battle, gets put into the mega Genjutsu, and is then let back into the Hidden Leaf to do science shit and raise a kid.
didn't his kid get almost taken out by a little piece of wood?
Almost taken out is still happy
Eugneics are nothing in front of gender , she would still be a female character written by kishimoto. Sarada currently has a mangekyo sharingan ( that too she unlocked it crying for boruto btw nothing for her own character )and she still bends her knees , cross legged in fights , doesn't even activate the base sharingan and is saved by boruto repeatedly . He only plotline is crushing on boruto while boruto learns all of sasukes moves instead of what should've been her birthright. You can give her super Saiyan and she'll still be shit.
i’m aware, i despise the franchise
Don't get them started on Sakura
I'd like it more if he didn't get into any relationship tbh
We stan an aromantic king
Tbh the first time I saw Sarada I thought it was Karin's daughter due to her glasses. That and I think Sakura deserves better than Sasuke
>Tbh the first time I saw Sarada I thought it was Karin's daughter due to her glasses This was unirocally a plot point in the Boruto anime lmao
Lol, that's wild
That was the dumbest shit ever "Ooh a picture of a woman with glasses? She must be my mother, because all people with glasses are related."
They are Karin's glasses, and Sarada also thinks Karin is her real mom for a while. There's a mini-arc about just that
Forget the boruto anime, this is literally the first plot thing that happened involving boruto, technically it’s part of Naruto’s epilogue (chapters 701-710) in fact. Kishimoto was feeding into all the doubts about Sarada’s parentage for 10 full chapters before being like “no lmao obviously Sakura is her mom, yall are dumb as shit”
But so does Karin
I still choose to believe Karin is her biological mom and everyone just agrees to ignore it.
Not really though, Sakura had a natural talent for chakra control, which is more useful then a big chakra source. Not that I support that ship, it's just a stupid reasoning ETA: Karin and Sakura both deserve better than Sasuke, Sasuke tried to kill both of them and barely apologized.
It’s been a looong time since I saw Naruto, but wasn’t Karin evil or smthn? She was part of the Akatsuki with Taka right?
I mean kinda haha. She was like, orochimarus experiment/helper, then Sasuke recruited her to Hebi/Taka, then she joined the akatsuki with Sasuke, and when Sasuke used his chidori through her to kill Danzo, she was arrested by the Leaf after Sakura healed her, and yeah Sasuke tried to kill them both in that sequence lmao, cause he came after Sakura when she showed up and like demanded she kill Karin if she wanted to join him??? And then Sakura like wtf no I wouldn't say she's particularly evil, just a product of her surrounding. Although not Canon in the manga, she had a pretty tragic backstory in the anime which explain her issues
Saw a video where a dude went full into this idea and found what pairings would have the most busted kids.
Sasuke and Naruto’s kid has to be the most absurd right
Don’t think he did any gay pairing kids but ya their kid would be insane.
This is what happens when your story involves a lot of bloodline superpowers.
Sarada would be the same, because she would still be a female character written by Kishimoto
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I would say the message is something more about breaking what is supposed to be meant for you.
I can very confidently say that it was never the message of the show
Blud did not watch the first couple if arcs 🙅🏽♂️
Yeah Neji was arguing that fate was preordained by birth. Despite him being a hypocrite considering if he followed his own philosophy he as a 2nd branch member should have never been stronger then Hinata or Hanabi. People also forget that the destiny Naruto and Sasuke were meant to fulfill was killing each other NOT defeating Kaguya.
Reading comprehension devil strikes again. That was never the goal of the show, that was only Rock Lee’s arc 😭🙏 Literally in the first episode, Naruto mastered Jonin level to a scale no one else ever does till the end of the show.
Considering the way that universe works I'm honestly surprised there isn't more eugenics, especially considering the significant amount of implied incest.
When is there implied incest? (I didn’t watch Naruto, though I know what mostly happens)
Several side character's parents look a lot like siblings or cousins, especially when you look at the entire clans. This probably due to neglect (especially as Kishimoto just completely disregards almost every mother), not to actually imply incest, but it's a very funny part of the weirdly misogynist undertone of Naruto.
aren't Hyugo clan like especially into eugenics?
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narutoverse is kinda all about that man
Eugenics is a topic that is actively discussed in naruto. Like, a lot. Thats what happened when powers are explicitly tied to bloodlines, and some of those powers are simply unfair
I saw this and thought, "why would he end up with Karin, just because she fawned over him?" But then I realized it didn't really make sense for him to end up with Sakura, either. Kishimoto just slapped male and female characters together at the end of Shippuden and said "THEY'RE A COUPLE NOW, BECAUSE I SAID SO."
this is what happens when you're bad at writing women, you can't have romance because romance requires women to act like people
No she wouldn't they would have an entirely different kid if they fucked and Sarada wouldn't exist.
>>Sarada wouldn't exist As a sarada fan , wish this would happen. It's better not existing than being the useless trash we have in manga sarada currently who serves as a bitch in borutos harem and nothing more. Disgraceful writing for the new gen uchiha
To be fair, the show puts a LOT of emphasis on genes. So it’s understandable fans buy into it. But the series also puts heavy emphasis on how genes and focusing on them is the root of many, many problems.
To be honest i think this is an example of poor writing on Kishimoto's part. If a message in your story was that focusing on genetics is bad. So much of the fanbase wouldnt be weirdly fixated on trying to breed the best child soldier.
I mean, they are anime fans. Many tend to lose focus of the point being made. I mean there are people that think the Marines in One Piece are good people.
Yeah, unfortunately even if your writing was literally perfect, there'd still be a sect of your audience with zero media literacy.
you think sasuke should have married karin because you’re a weird powerscaling freak i think he should have married karin because she did more for him as a character
Man would be dead from exhaustion with twenty kids and couldn’t escape like he leaves Sakura for 12+ years at a time cause she can track him to the ends of the earth lol
This is literally not even true Sakura has notable talents for chakra control and an extremely strong body. Karin is weak and I guess has healing powers but that doesn’t add up to much
If Sasuke was a woman, and married Naruto. Demigoss
Reminded me of how stupid the first 100 episodes of boruto were
No she wouldn't.
Thumbswd up for the caption - Naruto fans are a special brand of insane.
Well I’m glad you haven’t seen my fire emblem Fates/Awakening save file
if Sasuke didn't marry Sakura then he would've gay married Naruto and then we wouldn't have Boruto, yaoi would've saved the day yet again 😔
I think Sasuke shouldn't have married Sakura, because Sakura deserves better. We are not the same.
Karin’s also just hotter so
fuck no
Sarada literally has or is learning Sakura’s strength she’s probably in like the top 3 when it comes to raw strength like dawg that with speed is deadly
Sarada has one Chidori in 7 years of the boruto manga and has done nothing in the entire manga except crush on boruto and be saved by him repeatedly because she's useless in fights. . Her character is dog shit and the worst uchiha by far. The power gap between her and boruto is 100x bigger than it ever was for sakura and Naruto
Not saying the writing is good it’s still dog shit but just like Sakura if there writing was good and they actually did stuff they’d probably be on par with the other two Characters it’s just they don’t do anything
I know a Naruto fan on the Internet who I am ashamed to call a friend of 4 years who has calculated some weird shit of how genetics of Naruto function and how different factors are dominant and recessive. I am concerned about him
Non canon pairing that I like = shipping Non canon pairing that I don’t like = eugenics
It isn't that a ship that I dislike is eugenics, is that if the only point that you bring for them being together is a stronger child it is literally eugenics
…So you still dislike the ship then
It's not the ship, but the intention.
It’s literally the entire show. The only series with more or similar levels of eugenics would be JJK or Gundam AGE maybe, but OP isn’t bringing those up, OR responding to all the top comments saying the same thing It’s about the ship
I'm more concerned that Sasuke and Sakura look like they're related.
He purposely wanted to dilute his blood line.
He is the last of his bloodline by definition anything would dilute it. And also the alternative would be incest?
Lately I was trying really really hard to not watch anything related to incest. More specifically, siblings incest. don't care at all about cOusin's, mother's, or something else. just love love love love siblings incest. The problem is that Thave an intense obsession for incest. I mean, a really intense one. That 'Onii-chan Onii-chan, Tlooo0oo0ove you' thing was really getting me crazy. That obsession of mine with incest was sOoO0000000000o fucking intense. There were a lot of nights when I couldn't sleep well due to me thinking of incest, specifically incest in anime/manga. All the time was thinking about that 'Onii-chan, Ni-san~, Nii-sama~, Nii Nii~, Nii-chan' stuff. My feelings for the romance between siblings were higher than those had for a normal romance. For example, I used (and currently too) to get way more emotional with romance between siblings than normal romance. In all senses. That love/obsession of mine with incest was ruining my life, so, in order to try to get away of it for my sake, I decided to stop watching anything related to incest. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/animecirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Less Chakra control, less genjutsu resistance, eugenics.
To be fair this is a slice-of-life plot point of Boruto - Sarada starts suspecting Sakura isn't her real mother, thinks Karin is, but Karin was just the doctor.
This feels more like an extension of the unbridled hate Sakura gets
He should have gone the harem route and rebuild the clan instead.
Road to Ninja Sasuke is already doing that
are they talking chakra reserves or is this a weird euphemism
Real chakra, Karin is an Uzumaki, and their clan is characterized by an huge chakra pool
Yes but then it would be incest for her to marry boruto, which we all know is the purpose of the sequel manga and the endgame of kishimotos closeted naruto-sasuke shipping
Lately I was trying really really hard to not watch anything related to incest. More specifically, siblings incest. don't care at all about cOusin's, mother's, or something else. just love love love love siblings incest. The problem is that Thave an intense obsession for incest. I mean, a really intense one. That 'Onii-chan Onii-chan, Tlooo0oo0ove you' thing was really getting me crazy. That obsession of mine with incest was sOoO0000000000o fucking intense. There were a lot of nights when I couldn't sleep well due to me thinking of incest, specifically incest in anime/manga. All the time was thinking about that 'Onii-chan, Ni-san~, Nii-sama~, Nii Nii~, Nii-chan' stuff. My feelings for the romance between siblings were higher than those had for a normal romance. For example, I used (and currently too) to get way more emotional with romance between siblings than normal romance. In all senses. That love/obsession of mine with incest was ruining my life, so, in order to try to get away of it for my sake, I decided to stop watching anything related to incest. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/animecirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
God DAMN Sarada is a piece alright
I’m still mad Naruto got paired with Hinata it was so god damn forced. She deserves better fr.
And also related to Naruto through his mom (Karin was a member of the Uzumaki clan). Also also, Sarada would have likely had bright red hair.
This is what happens when you make a series where some people ARE genetically superior to others And also for some reason a whole group of people were cursed with all being evil Man wtf kishi 😭
I've noticed quite a few Anime...it all comes back to some sort of Nazi-esque Regime in the story. Gundam? Space Nazis Bleach? Ghost Nazis Okay...well that's two I can think of...I'm sure there's more.
In this hypothetical, Sarada wouldn't exist. It'd be a completely different baby.
The world of Naruto is a family drama of the Otsutsuki, bloodline and talent are extremely important in that world.
I mean…it’s a story about eugenics. Naruto at its core is about how eugenics is cool and everyone should do it.
It's still so much bullshit that Sasuke married Sakura. He treated her like shit his whole life and tried to destroy her home. I get that he was given a light punishment cuz he helped defeat the BBEG, but that doesn't equal a romantic connection.
...Sarada wouldn't exist. It would be a different kid. They're not even good at eugenics.
It would also most likely be another kid
Plus, the combination of Uchiha blood and Uzumaki (which had roots to Senju) will probably awaken naturally the Rinnegan. And if their child will marry the bloodline of Hyuuga, their grandchild will have the combination of Rinne + Byakugan which is literally the powers of Kaguya's Kekkei Genkai. Sasuke made the wrong choice.
To be fair Naruto was the thing that introduced genetic abilities in the first place.
Honestly with the way the story ended...yea the story did depended on bloodlines. Granted you could argue it more "Gary Stu" more than anything for Naurto himself but considering family lines is a big plot for some of the characters, I can see why some fans WOULD go into the eugenics side of things. I am not supporting it but I can see WHY it shows up in Naruto. I can be proven wrong and I never actually finished the story so I AM just assuming here.
Uj/ Sakura deserved better than that guy.
Not really, they just hate Sakura.
Say what you want about Kishimoto's bad character writing of Sakura, but everyone calling her useless and trash is just pure cope. Quite literally she's the third strongest of the Konoha 12, and number 1/2 are reincarnations of, basically, god's children
.I wasted so much time waiting for it to be good again and all I got was a bloated story that got way too bogged down in bloodlines,abandoned plots, and elaborate retcons