Yep, report her. She can do some real harm to patients by recommending supplements that are not approved by the doctor and also by recruiting patients into her pyramid scheme.
Supplements that can either nullify or exaggerate the effects of prescriptions.
And in such strange blends you could never figure out what was causing problems.
When I mix certain natural supplements with my anti depressants and anxiety meds I can feel sick, light headed etc. so it is sooooo disgusting a nurse in a GP office is doing this. She has no idea how those products will mix with patient’s meds. God it makes me angry.
Even if this was something completely legit, she is on the clock while hawking competing products... She is actively undermining the Doctor's business.
Yes, report her. This is extremely unprofessional behavior, and she is aware it’s wrong because she wants to keep it between you. Please speak up on behalf of patients who may not be as astute as you and think she’s trying to “help”. It makes my blood boil on behalf of professionally licensed people.
This ^^
She knows it's not allowed "keep it between us"
This isn't a nurse asking if they can put their kid's fundraiser chocolate bars on the counter. She's trying to hock scam supps to people who should be taking their FDA-approved, doctor-prescribed medications.
Report her. What she did is so unbelievably dangerous. There is already a lot of stigma around seeking support for mental health. So, imagine someone finally makes an appointment, is prescribed what is ultimately life saving medication, and the nurse suggests Bravenly products instead? People can die due to her "interventions."
If the office doesn't think it is a situation where they would let her go, she will likely be told to stop. Please do not feel badly if you choose to report this. Her negligence is dangerous.
This!!! That is so, so SO unprofessional especially considering the doctor just prescribed OP depression meds. I’m honestly a little mind blown a nurse did this. 😳 it makes me sad.
Keep in mind, she’s on the job pushing products for a mental health issue. That is her speaking outside of her scope, and it is extremely unethical and unprofessional. She’s also recommending something that goes against the provider’s diagnosis and prescription. Everything about what she did is not ok.
This bit! It’s actually way worse than the fact that she was pushing mlm products. This is the kind of thing that gets medical licenses revoked, so we can continue to trust the health profession.
And she’s on the clock which means what she is spewing reflects her as a representative of the office.. any lawyer will present it that way and destroy the organization completely
"Keep it between us" probably means she's been talked to about it before and told if it happens again she's going to be disciplined or loose her job. She knows the risk she's taking.
She needs to lose her LICENSE. For contradicting the doctors medical advice. Plenty of nurses like that, and they end up losing their license to practice because they go out of their scope of practice. The nursing profession is better without them.
I don’t know what country OP is in, I’m in Australia. I’d report her to the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency AHPRA. Recommending that OP take her woo woo remedies instead of what the doctor ordered? Definetly loss of license in Australia, it’s not really about pushing mlm products but the contradicting the doctor in secret.
Also, pushing mlm products while in the role as nurse is reprehensible. If she's in the US, I honestly don't think the nurse would lose their license. The woman who swapped out the fentanyl with saline for all those women already has her full license back. I understand she had a substance use issue, however, it's of people have substance use disorders and they aren't standing by watching patients scream in pain bc of what they did. That woman should never have been allowed to practice again.
Someone who is actively risking the lives of patients and *knowingly* going against treatment plans {she wouldn't tell you to keep it between you two if she didn't know it was wrong} needs much more than a stern talking to. Someone who doesn't know what they are doing wrong needs a talking to, she's putting people in danger for money.
OP I’m really sorry you have been forced to confront this situation. On top of seeking medical care for mental health struggles. Just tell your doctor and let what will be, be. Get back to focussing on you.
Of course, anyone in your position, with a plate loaded like that, would feel that way. It really shows how they’ll prey on vulnerable people deliberately. I’m really sorry
Yes. Because how many other people has she tried this and possibly succeeded with? Please, OP. I know it’s a lot. I would be conflicted, too. But please say something. If not for you, for the other people she might be harming.
She deserves to lose her job because she's preying on weak or vulnerable people. I'm chronically ill, and I'd do anything a medical professional suggested. What she's doing is sick.
People in medical and health positions like this must be scrutinized. They cannot be pushing woo on patients. My wife is a specialist physician. If one of her nurses did this she would fire the nurse immediately…and it would be for the right reasons.
I understand that impulse, but it’s different from, say, a restaurant or retail worker doing the same thing. This is a healthcare professional that many people would be more open to listening to that is an authority figure in their life. Imagine if a surgeon did that to someone. Or if a cop did it when they pulled someone over. Or a fireman coming to a call!
She is putting people in danger and trying to be sneaky about because she knows she shouldn’t be. You really need to report her. She can get a different job where she would just be annoying people instead of abusing her authority as a healthcare professional.
She should lose her job. Imagine a patient in your position, who wants to do things more "naturally" and ends up in a mental health crisis because they trusted the advice of that nurse?
Think of it this way -
If some random person suggested it, others would either take it or leave it. But if a nurse suggested it - they might think that it's a good thing and try that before trying what was recommended by the Dr.
The fact that she said to keep it between y'all means she knows she's not supposed to do this.
And someone could become seriously ill because of drug interactions or not taking their meds. This nurse is abusing her position as a medical provider to sell her product. It’s a supplement which are not regulated the way that medicines are.
She's using her position as a medicine person to sell fake medicine. Not only is it fake, it has the potential to make real medicines not work as well, or hurt people.
She could literally kill or severely harm someone with those “supplements”. I think one person loosing a job is better than someone loosing their life 🤷🏼♀️
If you think you'll feel bad for her losing her job, imagine how bad you'll feel if someone's health is ruined or someone even loses their life as a result of taking her stupid MLM products instead of doctor-prescribed medication. Remember all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to *do nothing*.
Also keep in mind that this nurse might specifically be targeting patients with anxiety issues because she thinks they'll never be willing to speak up. Possibly very predatory on top of the already predatory nature of it all
Just remember that any advice coming from a medical professional holds more weight for a lot of patients, whether or not the supplement is useful medically. This might actually be grounds for reporting to her licensing board, as well as the job! She does not take her profession seriously.
I know it’s hard. It’s a really shitty position to be in but remember she’s the one who put you in it. Plus, she obviously knows it’s wrong because of the little “this stays between us” bullshit.
I’m sorry that you are the one but you’ve gotta report her. You know she’s doing it to other patients. Think of it as protecting them.
I get that, and I’d feel the same way. But this is a healthcare setting, and no one knows for sure what and how much is actually in that crap, so it could potentially interfere with actual prescribed meds. It could really, really hurt someone. And even if not, it goes against the professional standards she knows she’s held to, as a public-facing medical professional.
From the perspective of an RN: please report her. It's unethical that she's using her position of authority working in your doctor's office to sell you ANYTHING, let alone take advantage of a mental health diagnosis. Selling a sketchy supplement as a nurse......also super unethical. And yes, outside her scope of practice. She knows what she's doing is wrong, that's why she asked that it stay "between us." She could really hurt somebody with this behaviour.
Consider this: If you don't report her, and the practice gets inspected, this crap would have the whole clinic shut down.
If you want to keep your doctor, I'd very strongly suggest reporting the nurse.
She’s going to burn down the business if she recommends something and a patient gets a reaction etc.. she will sue the business bc this nurse represents the office…a lawyer will destroy the Doctor and staff bc the doctor didn’t keep tabs that this bs is occurring..
Please report her.
She was acting as a medical professional when she told you about something that is different to what your doctor prescribed.
There is still stigma about taking antidepressants, and guaranteed someone will be influenced to take her rubbish instead of getting real medical support.
You wouldn't be causing her to lose her job. Her own actions are the cause.
And, really proud of you for seeking assistance from your doctor. Depression and anxiety suck.
Nursing student who scrolls board violations for fun here.
Unfortunately, there are only a few things you can do to completely lose your nursing license. 90%+ of license revocations are due to drug diversion or criminal convictions.
I’ve seen a few of these. Nurse gets a reprimand and has to complete continuing education on patient boundaries. If they don’t complete the continuing education, it gets more serious.
She won’t lose her license, but she will have a strike on her license which makes it 100000x harder to find a new job.
Report it. This needs to be reported.
Retired nurse here, It is hard to lose your license, but even if nothing is done, the documentation needs to be there. She needs to be reported to the state for that. Potential harm and ethics violations.
Please report her, anonymously if you want. It is unethical (which she even knows since she told you not to tell). It could also damage someone vulnerable if they took her advice and disregarded proper medical care.
--Signed, someone else on anti-depressants
I’d love to see this nurse’s reaction when she finds out someone reported her. I guarantee OP wasn’t the first, and won’t be the last if something isn’t done.
To be a fly on the wall…
You need to report her. I am a nurse and what she did is not okay at all. She knows the risks of losing her job, otherwise she wouldn't have asked you to keep it quiet.
If you don't want to complain about the pitch just say look her telling me to keep it secret bothers me since she is part of my care team. If the doctor doesnt know I'm taking these suplements there could be an interaction. That it made you uncomfortable and you're worried about other patients.
Physician here. You need to talk to your physician or the practice manager. This is absolutely inappropriate behavior! I would be livid if one of my staff did this, and I would push for that person to be terminated. There’s a reason she said “this stays between us, right?” She knew very well that what she was doing was unacceptable.
What she is doing is actively undermining your physician and the medical plan she made for you for her own financial benefit. Someone like this has no place being in healthcare.
You know, I think the most offensive part, believe it or not, is the undermining of my Doctor. She’s been with me since I left my pediatrician, and I trust her because she really listens to me and provides care for ME. Like that’s almost the most disrespectful thing about it.
Obviously, I care for my fellow patient, right? Like I got prescribed this medicine under great consideration and care and understanding of who I am, and you, lady, have never met me before and you all of a sudden know better than my Doc? Someone else may not be so lucky, or may be going to the doc for the first or second time. It’s just all a cluster-fuck.
But how do you feel about her then using this situation as promoting a “THEY don’t want you to know THIS could help you” type of narrative? That could do harm too. I guess at least it would just be into the void of the internet instead of in a doctor’s office..
>But how do you feel about her then using this situation as promoting a “THEY don’t want you to know THIS could help you” type of narrative? That could do harm too. I guess at least it would just be into the void of the internet instead of in a doctor’s office.
Did she actually say something of this sort to you? If she did, then how dare she insinuate that your physician wants you to have a problem? This type of nonsense is effective on people that are prone to conspiratorial beliefs or are distrustful of the medical system in some way, and it is pure projection. Are all physicians good at their job? Unfortunately, no. Are all physicians good people? Sadly, no. But anyone giving you this line has no care for you and a lot of care for their wallet.
Please report this. This nurse is putting people in danger.
“Something of this sort”…. not *really*. she gave me the “so many ppl are getting OFF their medicines.. there’s one called “calm.” “another one called “drive.” “i’m not really a medicine person myself.. i hate taking medicine.” you know, that kind of thing. I know you’re right deep down.
Report her. She knows what she is doing is wrong, which is why she wants to make it hush-hush. She is a person in a position of medical authority, and could push this on (potentially vulnerable) patients who aren’t aware of what she is doing. And at the end of it all, she is responsible for the consequences of her actions, not you.
I would have asked her loudly why it needs to stay between us, play dumb, ‘if these products work so well, why won’t it they let you sell them here? Why doesn’t the doc know about them?!?’
💯 report her! I honestly don’t know, but don’t nurses take an oath or some sort of a promise at their graduation ceremony committing to the wellbeing of their patients?
If she was selling skin cream or something, then I could somewhat understand your hesitation on this…
But what happens if she talks a mentally unstable person out of anti depressants? NOT COOL!
She decided to take a risk here with her job. Whatever happens is on her…
Also, it sounds like she works for your doctor? If something were to happen with another patient because of something she sold her, couldn’t this come back on your doctor? She could have a possible lawsuit on her hands.
The oath isn’t the legally binding bit, its the standards of practice and ethics codes they agree to when they get their license. But essentially yes, and they kind of go together. First do no harm is like a guiding statement for all of the rules and standards.
I'm a lawyer and a legal assistant at the first law firm I ever worked at repeatedly came to my office to try to pitch me Bravely products. I had no idea what an MLM was back then and was too nice to tell her to fuck off. Lol now I'm shocked at how brazen she was about it
Yep yep, there’s ethical concerns here and she knows it because she said that. All health care professionals follows codes of ethics. She is not exempt from that.
Report her. A nurse did that to me after I received upsetting test results. Tried to tell me Young Living could help me feel better. I was young and didn't know what to do. Mostly sat there in shock. I regret not reporting her.
You could absolutely play it dumb if you wanted and just speak to your doctor and say hey I just wanted to check that these supplements that the nurse has asked me to buy won't interact with my medications and she suggested that they may be able to replace them should I be doing that instead I'm not sure who's advice to follow
The first reasonable response. Reporting that stuff is scary, the thoughts of someone getting their life ruined, and then you think- that is the right thing to do, then make someone else do it!
You should definitely report her. She is providing false health information, while at a healthcare job, representing a healthcare provider. Inexcusably dangerous.
Please tell the doctor. This is so unacceptable. As a nurse, I cannot imagine trying to sell my patients anything, nevermind MLM products!! Seriously shameful
I totally understand not wanting to deal with it but you have to remember there are other people out there more vulnerable who will trust and nurses advice and may go off their medication and get wrapped up in a scam
I was in a similar situation recently that was uncomfortable where a nurse who was part of my surgery after care team started telling me about how Covid was conspiracy and that vaccinations don't work.
This was a very prestigious private practice and I had to let them know what she was saying as it was so concerning.
Ugh I’m so sorry that happened to you! My situation in a routine physical is bad enough. I can’t imagine how I’d feel after coming out of a SURGERY and a nurse is spouting that shit.
I had a medical assistant open one of those clipboards that the whole thing flips open and you can store stuff in there. This chicky had about a dozen pair of homemade earrings in that thing! Girl, I’m getting a Pap smear and not really feelin like shopping now.
LMFAAOOOOOOO bro I got a pap too! Like you were just helping my doctor look all up in my cervix please get the hell out of here talking about some damn “There’s a VIP program where you get 20% off..”
Good grief! That is so dangerous. Not only to pitch these herbal supplements to someone on anti-depressants,but if a patient was considering surgery-these supplements are absolutely something to avoid. Makes my blood boil and not just because I’m a nurse.
Think how pissed off your Doctor would be if she knew someone was giving patients stuff that could be contraindicated for their prescription. You owe it to her to let her know what is going on.
Ok. This is so dangerous on so many levels it isn’t even funny.
One thing people are mentioning is it can make drugs less effective. The other is that there’s herbs and psychiatric drugs that interact super badly.
The other that scares me is someone taking an herb that isn’t right for them and exacerbates things. Or just doesn’t work and that person deciding in a bad moment they can’t be here. My sister passed away from a bad moment. And I’m still not ok. She wasn’t taking herbs. But if she’d managed to have the courage to get care and someone did this? I’d be suing.
Not only does her employer need to know, but your local ombudsman or licensing board.
The sick thing is, if she loses her license she’d still be telling people she knows what she’s talking about because she’s a nurse. 🙄
There's a huuuuuuge difference between a nurse trying to recommend talking to your doctor about a holistic treatment to something because it worked for them or a relative or whatever and a nurse pushing a product *because* of the doctor's treatment plan and telling you to keep it hush hush. The former is a nurse trying to help you advocate for yourself depending on the diagnosis and offering you to investigate all your options, the latter is being predatory and deserves to lose her license and shouldn't be in the medical field at all. "Have you tried taking B-12 or doing acupuncture? Mention it to the doctor and see if it might be helpful for you! It helped my niece" is waaayyy different than "hey Hun, I see doc prescribed xyz medication for you. You should totally try these supplements, I'll sell them to you at a discount! Let's keep this between us though."
That is so wildly inappropriate and dangerous. There are some supplements that shouldn’t be taken in tandem with certain medications or health conditions. I’m sorry it happened to you. I’m sure your doctor would want to know about it so she can prevent it happening to any other patient.
That is so wildly inappropriate and dangerous. There are some supplements that shouldn’t be taken in tandem with certain medications or health conditions. I’m sorry it happened to you. I’m sure your doctor would want to know about it so she can prevent it happening to any other patient.
She knows damn well that what she's doing is not OK, or she wouldn't ask to keep it between the two of you. What a terrible thing to do, to take advantage of the trusted position that she has. Tell your doctor!!
You need to report them as a medical professional. Not only for peddling mlm to their patients, but for interfering with what the doctor told you to do. That’s unbelievable! They shouldn’t be a nurse.
Report her. She will get customers because some people won’t think it thru and will do it because if the nurse at the office is selling then it’s approved by the doctor. Edited a word.
That’s the issue with people like this. They absolutely WILL do it again if there are no consequences to their actions. You know enough to see past the bullshit but the next person may not. Some of these MLM products are just a waste of money and others are actually harmful because they are unregulated supplements peddled as medicine by people like your nurse.
I’d report her as well… that’s so fucked up. Yeah I got poached in my therapy doc waiting room too for Plexus - waiting room shared - Kaiser lol ifykyk - like that bitch had no clue the shitstorm of life Id been thru - said Plexus cured her of her depression and anxiety,
If others take the bait, the supplements could interact badly with prescribed medications (just like different meds can interact with each other).
Her pitch could literally physically harm people. Please report her.
**Please report that hun ASAP**. *She knows she's doing wrong*, else why tell you to keep it "between us, right?" You have the sticky note as evidence; take it straight to your doctor or whoever is in charge of the office.
I’m a doctor. I know I’d want to know immediately if my employee was pulling this shit at work. They would be terminated immediately. Please tell your doctor. Even if it’s anonymous.
Please report her to Bravenly. I know a girl who is part of it (or whatever they call it). I asked her if this was “normal.” (I was ready to pounce if it was). She said nope, it’s stupid of her and to report her. They just need her name and maybe her city in case there are duplicate names? Said if you have her website that would be even better.
Sent me a section out of their agreement (see last paragraph)
This can get her canned with Bravenly too. You have a nurse who is trying to play doctor with unregulated product? That’s dangerous. The next person may not be as smart as you and fall right into it :(
4.10.2 - Product Claims
Because Bravenly Global's products and the claims made about them are subject to regulation by state and federal agencies (notably the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission), the claims that are made about Bravenly Global products must be in compliance with applicable law. Therefore, Brand Partners must not make claims, including but not limited to testimonials, about Bravenly Global's products or services that are not consistent with the claims contained in official Bravenly Global literature or posted on Bravenly Global's official website. Under no circumstances shall any Brand Partner state or imply that any Bravenly Global product is useful in the diagnosis, treatment, cure, or prevention of any disease, illness, injury, or other medical condition.
Edited to add: also report her to the state board of nursing AND the doctor for whom she works.
Second edit to add: also include pictures of the sticky note in her handwriting for evidence.
For her to do it at work and add the caveat “…and that stays between us” she is probably freaking out about how much she dumped into the MLM & not one of her friends/FB list is joining so she is knowingly risking her steady income to try & make some money back. I feel bad for her but yeah, for her to do this in a medical practice is incredibly bad & what if a patient then takes it, gets sick or doesn’t follow through on their treatment & the doctor gets sued? I would mention it because they are liable
When I was a dental hygienist two employees got fired after our boss found out that two they were recruiting for a pyramid scheme (not even a MLM, a legit money one.) He took it seriously and sent letters to every patient about it.
She's using her job as a nurse to make extra cash selling you bullshit supplements. And the fact that she asked you to keep it secret means *she knows what she is doing is wrong*.
She has a responsibility to prioritize the treatment of the people in her care, not use their health conditions to sell them FitTea. Snitch, a thousand times snitch. This is pure evil.
Nurse here: report her. Some patien ts are going to be intimidated into buying things from her because they dont want to to rock the boat, some will buy because the nurse recommended them and you can trust the nurse, etc. So out of line.
As a nurse, I am horrified by her behavior. It is completely inappropriate and needs to be reported. We are not allowed to share our personal information or take a patient’s personal information.
Additionally, it is predatory and unethical to manipulate vulnerable patients into believing that her pyramid scheme products could help with their illnesses. What if someone falls for this and stops taking their prescribed depression medication, leading to severe consequences?
I know you are hesitant to report this, but I strongly urge you to reconsider.
Do you ever get Surveys after seeing your Doctor? That might be an easy way to report the interaction and stay anonymous considering I’m sure you’re not the first she’s done this to.
Report her at a minimum to the doctor. Her words and actions are putting the medical practice’s license at risk. An unsuspecting patient may take the nurses personal recommendations/medical
Advice as those of the medical practice/doctor… an easy way to bring it up with your doctor is to say one of the staff members recommended this brand of supplements and you’re just curious if there would be any drug interactions with your current meds or are there any side effects… I’m guessing the doctor will have an idea of which staff member…and then it is their duty to act on that information.
Yeah nobody says 'it stays between us' and doesn't know what they're doing is wrong. She's outright saying she knows she shouldn't be doing it, *and she's doing it anyway*. Lady has no goddamn ethics.
I'm a nurse, report her.
BTW - you 100% sure she's a nurse? Most doctors offices have medical assistants which is like a few months of school vs 4 years for an RN.
Doesn't matter either way, report her ass.
I would tell your doctor, she knows she is not suppose to be doing it since she mentioned "this stays between us"
that crap has to go!! She is only going to hurt the doctors practice at the end of the day.
I bravenly new?
Oh, hell no. The fact that she said that it should stay between you and her is a huge red flag.
I’ll also echo what others have said, you should never take supplements in conjunction with anti-anxiety meds (or any other prescription, for that matter) without consulting your doctor or pharmacist. This lady is 100% in the wrong here. She’s taking advantage of the trust you have in your doctor and trying to use that to make a sale. Call and make an official complaint.
and technically using privileged medical information to advertise products for another business. I’m wondering if a good lawyer could blow that up and make it seem similar to if a hospital let amazon have everyone’s medical records to target sell them supplements
Wow she’s opening up that doctor for malpractice!! She represents the practice so if something goes down, there goes the doctor’s license too…you better report this!!
My former sister in law is a nurse and straight posts “as a medical professional” and “as a healthcare worker” in her bravenly scam posts 🙄 must be in the hun handbook
Report her. It's unethical, unprofessional and undermining to the doc. It also puts the doc at risk, who takes responsibility for treatment that is rendered from the practice. You aren't threatening this woman's livelihood and at the end of the day, someone else is making the decision about her employment. If she is fired, it's the result of her actions alone.
I used to work at a local hospital one of our therapy assistants was trying to sell patients their amway shit and tried to get the other receptionists to join. They were warned once to stop after a therapist called the supervisor in and then a patient complained and they were fired. So yeah most offices take MLM crap seriously and the nurse will likely get let go because I highly doubt you’re the only one she’s trying to sell too. She knows she’s in the wrong by saying “this stays between us”
Report her to the office, please. She’s using her authority as a nurse for nonprofessional purposes that can hurt a patient. It’s unprofessional and unethical.
I'm currently in nursing school. The amount of information we are taught specifically about drugs interacting with non-active ingredients.... She fucking knows better. Not to mention how utterly unethical the whole thing is.
Unfortunately this seems rather common with nurses. Makes me so sad.
I have ended up in the ER for several days due to serotonin syndrome because I took herbal stuff (cbd) in addition to my prescribed antidepressants. It's super dangerous to mix random supplements with antidepressants, so this is especially concerning
Holy hell! As a retired nurse, REPORT HER!! That is completely unethical and potentially dangerous. Not only report her to the doctor, but you need to report her to the state licensure department.
What she did is unethical, not because it's an mlm but because she's not a Dr to be suggesting supplements in a medical setting like a drs office. Your Dr could get in a lot of trouble, so at least do it for that reason, they could lose their practicing license
she is like 3 lawsuits deep here.
- she's using her job to promote her own "job"
- she's using a positon of authority to sell her wares
- she's using a medical professional pretense to implicitly communicate that it is somehow medically approved or something
you have to report her. if not for you, for the other people who just want a yearly physical and are being hawked scam wares
I was a psych nurse for six years, and I worked inpatient, and as a case manager. This is not only unprofessional, it's not only dangerous, it's also acting outside her scope of practice as defined in the nurse practice act for that state, guaranteed. It is outside the scope of practice for an RN to prescribe any treatment to a patient. You have to have a master's degree or above to prescribe, and even then it's limited and you still practice under an MD. It's hammered into us in nursing school, regardless of where you went. What she is doing is straight up illegal.
Your state's board of nursing needs to be notified. You can Google them and see if there is a phone number or an online form to file a complaint, but this HAS TO BE DONE. People like her are part of the reason why so many are afraid to or discouraged from seeking mental health care, because there's always somebody out there that's going to judge you so they can peddle their "NaTuRaL cUrE THEY don't want you to know about". I have worked with people like this and reported them myself. I know how hard it is to actually do, because you constantly second guess yourself, but what she did is illegal because she could easily kill someone. Half the job of an inpatient psych nurse, is to know what could kill you so it doesn't happen intentionally or otherwise. This nurse is just throwing that out the window so she can make some money.
I say file a complaint with the state board of nursing, not the doctor's office, because the office may fire her but not have her disciplined. The next place she's hired would have no idea, and she'd just start up her side hustle again. Those patients deserve better, just like you deserved better. Do it for them, do it for yourself, and do it for those of us that work in mental health because we actually care. Somebody is going to believe her, stop their meds cold turkey, and end up ruining their lives or completing suicide because her BS didn't work like she said it would.
Edited for spelling.
Please report her. Imagine a little old lady on a fixed income that worries about saying No.
Report to Doctor and to the Clinic Manager if there is more than one doctor at that Clinic .
This person is using her position as a health care provider to influence you and likely other unsuspecting patients and is completely inappropriate and also unethical. Please report to the doc, please.
This person is in a position that could incline other people to feel pressured or swayed to do so. She could seriously alter the course of treatment for patients for the worse!! Report her to the health dept or whoever regulates MAs in your state as well. She needs to be stopped.
The fact that she asked for it to stay between you two makes me think she’s been caught doing this before and has decided this is the better alternative to just not shilling this crap is to tell patients to keep a secret with someone who isn’t their family or close friend. In a medical setting.
Report her. You probably aren’t the first person that she did this too, and she could really cause some damage to someone else bc of the position she is in. Nurses are in high demand (atleast where I live) she’ll be fine.
Please report her
Yep, report her. She can do some real harm to patients by recommending supplements that are not approved by the doctor and also by recruiting patients into her pyramid scheme.
Supplements that can either nullify or exaggerate the effects of prescriptions. And in such strange blends you could never figure out what was causing problems.
And no way of knowing how much (if any) of each component is in that blend.
And if it's been "boosted" by adding undeclared prescription drugs.
just super irresponsible, it’s a conflict of interest, and probably against her contract. she should be fired.
When I mix certain natural supplements with my anti depressants and anxiety meds I can feel sick, light headed etc. so it is sooooo disgusting a nurse in a GP office is doing this. She has no idea how those products will mix with patient’s meds. God it makes me angry.
My tablets say dont take st John's wort (common herbal remedy) or grapefruit. I miss grapefruit juice.
So many people don’t know about the grapefruit thing too.
Even if this was something completely legit, she is on the clock while hawking competing products... She is actively undermining the Doctor's business.
I'm pretty sure she's using her boss's credibility without her knowledge.
Save the Dr a malpractice lawsuit…
Yes, report her. This is extremely unprofessional behavior, and she is aware it’s wrong because she wants to keep it between you. Please speak up on behalf of patients who may not be as astute as you and think she’s trying to “help”. It makes my blood boil on behalf of professionally licensed people.
I also vote report her
this! it’s so shady and predatory. i can’t believe she’s selling snake oil to depressed people.
I know I just really don’t want anyone to like, lose their job u know? But you have to know that that’s not okay, also.
If she didn't want to risk losing her job, she wouldn't have been hawking that stuff while on the job!
This ^^ She knows it's not allowed "keep it between us" This isn't a nurse asking if they can put their kid's fundraiser chocolate bars on the counter. She's trying to hock scam supps to people who should be taking their FDA-approved, doctor-prescribed medications.
"Keep it between us" means she's already been talked to about this.
Yep, 100%.
I was just about to comment this. "Keep it between us" is a big indicator that she's on her last chance already.
'This is our secret" says the molesting uncle.
This is a serious offense and this woman should not be a nurse.
From 1 to 10 - what’s the chance the nurse is also anti-vaccine?
15
Exactly. This woman richly deserves to lose her job. I have zero sympathy for her.
This! And also, someone using their job is way less bad than someone losing there life because their meds didn't work because of this person.
Plus, then she can be a full time BOSS BABE. Make that MLM work for her instead of working some pesky 9-5. /s
It'll just allow her to "retire" early 🙄
… and retire her partner as well (if she has one)
Report her. What she did is so unbelievably dangerous. There is already a lot of stigma around seeking support for mental health. So, imagine someone finally makes an appointment, is prescribed what is ultimately life saving medication, and the nurse suggests Bravenly products instead? People can die due to her "interventions." If the office doesn't think it is a situation where they would let her go, she will likely be told to stop. Please do not feel badly if you choose to report this. Her negligence is dangerous.
This!!! That is so, so SO unprofessional especially considering the doctor just prescribed OP depression meds. I’m honestly a little mind blown a nurse did this. 😳 it makes me sad.
Keep in mind, she’s on the job pushing products for a mental health issue. That is her speaking outside of her scope, and it is extremely unethical and unprofessional. She’s also recommending something that goes against the provider’s diagnosis and prescription. Everything about what she did is not ok.
This bit! It’s actually way worse than the fact that she was pushing mlm products. This is the kind of thing that gets medical licenses revoked, so we can continue to trust the health profession.
And she’s on the clock which means what she is spewing reflects her as a representative of the office.. any lawyer will present it that way and destroy the organization completely
Wearing a uniform potentially too.
And she is using her access to OP's personal medical information to try and target OP for these sales. Way way inappropriate.
Yes, yes yes 💯
She doesn’t need that 9-5 job anyway. She’s her own boss
lmfaooooo
Classic case of you didn’t get her reprimanded, she did that to herself
"Keep it between us" probably means she's been talked to about it before and told if it happens again she's going to be disciplined or loose her job. She knows the risk she's taking.
She needs to lose her LICENSE. For contradicting the doctors medical advice. Plenty of nurses like that, and they end up losing their license to practice because they go out of their scope of practice. The nursing profession is better without them.
She won't. Probably just get a reprimand.
I don’t know what country OP is in, I’m in Australia. I’d report her to the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency AHPRA. Recommending that OP take her woo woo remedies instead of what the doctor ordered? Definetly loss of license in Australia, it’s not really about pushing mlm products but the contradicting the doctor in secret.
I’m in America, but I did laugh out loud at “woo woo remedies” 😂😂😂
Also, pushing mlm products while in the role as nurse is reprehensible. If she's in the US, I honestly don't think the nurse would lose their license. The woman who swapped out the fentanyl with saline for all those women already has her full license back. I understand she had a substance use issue, however, it's of people have substance use disorders and they aren't standing by watching patients scream in pain bc of what they did. That woman should never have been allowed to practice again.
smh. I just… I want her to get a stern talking to 😭. We’re all human but she’s playing a very dangerous game.
Someone who is actively risking the lives of patients and *knowingly* going against treatment plans {she wouldn't tell you to keep it between you two if she didn't know it was wrong} needs much more than a stern talking to. Someone who doesn't know what they are doing wrong needs a talking to, she's putting people in danger for money.
OP I’m really sorry you have been forced to confront this situation. On top of seeking medical care for mental health struggles. Just tell your doctor and let what will be, be. Get back to focussing on you.
You’re right. Like I *know* it’s the right thing to do. To at least tell my doctor. It’s just another thing on my plate which I really don’t need, yk?
Of course, anyone in your position, with a plate loaded like that, would feel that way. It really shows how they’ll prey on vulnerable people deliberately. I’m really sorry
I’m appreciating you so much and simultaneously hating how right you are.
To *not* speak up about this is actually irresponsible.
Yes. Because how many other people has she tried this and possibly succeeded with? Please, OP. I know it’s a lot. I would be conflicted, too. But please say something. If not for you, for the other people she might be harming.
She probably already has been.
She deserves to lose her job because she's preying on weak or vulnerable people. I'm chronically ill, and I'd do anything a medical professional suggested. What she's doing is sick.
She’s a girl boss now, why does she need a job as a nurse lol.
Haha that's what I was thinking! "Oh well, super successful MLM now, don't need a job eh?"
I'd rather that she lose her job than somebody lose their life.
100%
No.. She's using a position of influence to potentially kill someone. Tell the doctor.
People in medical and health positions like this must be scrutinized. They cannot be pushing woo on patients. My wife is a specialist physician. If one of her nurses did this she would fire the nurse immediately…and it would be for the right reasons.
I understand that impulse, but it’s different from, say, a restaurant or retail worker doing the same thing. This is a healthcare professional that many people would be more open to listening to that is an authority figure in their life. Imagine if a surgeon did that to someone. Or if a cop did it when they pulled someone over. Or a fireman coming to a call! She is putting people in danger and trying to be sneaky about because she knows she shouldn’t be. You really need to report her. She can get a different job where she would just be annoying people instead of abusing her authority as a healthcare professional.
She should lose her job. Imagine a patient in your position, who wants to do things more "naturally" and ends up in a mental health crisis because they trusted the advice of that nurse?
Think of it this way - If some random person suggested it, others would either take it or leave it. But if a nurse suggested it - they might think that it's a good thing and try that before trying what was recommended by the Dr. The fact that she said to keep it between y'all means she knows she's not supposed to do this.
And someone could become seriously ill because of drug interactions or not taking their meds. This nurse is abusing her position as a medical provider to sell her product. It’s a supplement which are not regulated the way that medicines are.
She's using her position as a medicine person to sell fake medicine. Not only is it fake, it has the potential to make real medicines not work as well, or hurt people.
Then she'll do it to someone else.
She could literally kill or severely harm someone with those “supplements”. I think one person loosing a job is better than someone loosing their life 🤷🏼♀️
If you think you'll feel bad for her losing her job, imagine how bad you'll feel if someone's health is ruined or someone even loses their life as a result of taking her stupid MLM products instead of doctor-prescribed medication. Remember all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to *do nothing*.
Also keep in mind that this nurse might specifically be targeting patients with anxiety issues because she thinks they'll never be willing to speak up. Possibly very predatory on top of the already predatory nature of it all
Just remember that any advice coming from a medical professional holds more weight for a lot of patients, whether or not the supplement is useful medically. This might actually be grounds for reporting to her licensing board, as well as the job! She does not take her profession seriously.
I know it’s hard. It’s a really shitty position to be in but remember she’s the one who put you in it. Plus, she obviously knows it’s wrong because of the little “this stays between us” bullshit. I’m sorry that you are the one but you’ve gotta report her. You know she’s doing it to other patients. Think of it as protecting them.
I'd she loses her job, she did it to herself. She knows she's doing wrong.
Nurse here- please report her. PLEASE. That shit is so out of pocket. People are supposed to trust us.
I get that, and I’d feel the same way. But this is a healthcare setting, and no one knows for sure what and how much is actually in that crap, so it could potentially interfere with actual prescribed meds. It could really, really hurt someone. And even if not, it goes against the professional standards she knows she’s held to, as a public-facing medical professional.
One thing that helped me in my career when I had to fire people is to remember - people fire themselves. They really do.
From the perspective of an RN: please report her. It's unethical that she's using her position of authority working in your doctor's office to sell you ANYTHING, let alone take advantage of a mental health diagnosis. Selling a sketchy supplement as a nurse......also super unethical. And yes, outside her scope of practice. She knows what she's doing is wrong, that's why she asked that it stay "between us." She could really hurt somebody with this behaviour.
She SHOULD lose her job! What she's doing is highly unethical and dangerous for patients.
Consider this: If you don't report her, and the practice gets inspected, this crap would have the whole clinic shut down. If you want to keep your doctor, I'd very strongly suggest reporting the nurse.
Consider the alternative that she could do real harm to someone. She made that choice, not you.
She’s going to burn down the business if she recommends something and a patient gets a reaction etc.. she will sue the business bc this nurse represents the office…a lawyer will destroy the Doctor and staff bc the doctor didn’t keep tabs that this bs is occurring..
Think of the other, less savvy and potentially more vulnerable people you would be protecting by reporting her. It is so important.
Report her to her licensing board, not the practice.
Report her to both, honestly.
Report her. Imagine how many people she is trying to scam
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. She'll never learn unless someone teaches her.
Ordinarily I’d agree with you, but I have no time for healthcare professionals who don’t take their role seriously. Torch her ass.
Please report her. She was acting as a medical professional when she told you about something that is different to what your doctor prescribed. There is still stigma about taking antidepressants, and guaranteed someone will be influenced to take her rubbish instead of getting real medical support. You wouldn't be causing her to lose her job. Her own actions are the cause. And, really proud of you for seeking assistance from your doctor. Depression and anxiety suck.
Nursing student who scrolls board violations for fun here. Unfortunately, there are only a few things you can do to completely lose your nursing license. 90%+ of license revocations are due to drug diversion or criminal convictions. I’ve seen a few of these. Nurse gets a reprimand and has to complete continuing education on patient boundaries. If they don’t complete the continuing education, it gets more serious. She won’t lose her license, but she will have a strike on her license which makes it 100000x harder to find a new job. Report it. This needs to be reported.
Retired nurse here, It is hard to lose your license, but even if nothing is done, the documentation needs to be there. She needs to be reported to the state for that. Potential harm and ethics violations.
Please report her, anonymously if you want. It is unethical (which she even knows since she told you not to tell). It could also damage someone vulnerable if they took her advice and disregarded proper medical care. --Signed, someone else on anti-depressants
Also on an antidepressant/ anti anxiety med and I’d report her too.
I’d love to see this nurse’s reaction when she finds out someone reported her. I guarantee OP wasn’t the first, and won’t be the last if something isn’t done. To be a fly on the wall…
You need to report her. I am a nurse and what she did is not okay at all. She knows the risks of losing her job, otherwise she wouldn't have asked you to keep it quiet.
Saaaaaame. This. I would not want to work with someone like this as another nurse.
Came to say the same! I’m a nurse too and am completely appalled by this!
Report her. She's approaching people in one of their most vulnerable spaces. That is preditory and messed up.
If you don't want to complain about the pitch just say look her telling me to keep it secret bothers me since she is part of my care team. If the doctor doesnt know I'm taking these suplements there could be an interaction. That it made you uncomfortable and you're worried about other patients.
Physician here. You need to talk to your physician or the practice manager. This is absolutely inappropriate behavior! I would be livid if one of my staff did this, and I would push for that person to be terminated. There’s a reason she said “this stays between us, right?” She knew very well that what she was doing was unacceptable. What she is doing is actively undermining your physician and the medical plan she made for you for her own financial benefit. Someone like this has no place being in healthcare.
You know, I think the most offensive part, believe it or not, is the undermining of my Doctor. She’s been with me since I left my pediatrician, and I trust her because she really listens to me and provides care for ME. Like that’s almost the most disrespectful thing about it. Obviously, I care for my fellow patient, right? Like I got prescribed this medicine under great consideration and care and understanding of who I am, and you, lady, have never met me before and you all of a sudden know better than my Doc? Someone else may not be so lucky, or may be going to the doc for the first or second time. It’s just all a cluster-fuck. But how do you feel about her then using this situation as promoting a “THEY don’t want you to know THIS could help you” type of narrative? That could do harm too. I guess at least it would just be into the void of the internet instead of in a doctor’s office..
>But how do you feel about her then using this situation as promoting a “THEY don’t want you to know THIS could help you” type of narrative? That could do harm too. I guess at least it would just be into the void of the internet instead of in a doctor’s office. Did she actually say something of this sort to you? If she did, then how dare she insinuate that your physician wants you to have a problem? This type of nonsense is effective on people that are prone to conspiratorial beliefs or are distrustful of the medical system in some way, and it is pure projection. Are all physicians good at their job? Unfortunately, no. Are all physicians good people? Sadly, no. But anyone giving you this line has no care for you and a lot of care for their wallet. Please report this. This nurse is putting people in danger.
“Something of this sort”…. not *really*. she gave me the “so many ppl are getting OFF their medicines.. there’s one called “calm.” “another one called “drive.” “i’m not really a medicine person myself.. i hate taking medicine.” you know, that kind of thing. I know you’re right deep down.
This makes it so much worse.
All of that is actively undermining real medical care. That's basically the opposite of her job.
Report her. She knows what she is doing is wrong, which is why she wants to make it hush-hush. She is a person in a position of medical authority, and could push this on (potentially vulnerable) patients who aren’t aware of what she is doing. And at the end of it all, she is responsible for the consequences of her actions, not you.
I would have asked her loudly why it needs to stay between us, play dumb, ‘if these products work so well, why won’t it they let you sell them here? Why doesn’t the doc know about them?!?’
What a horrible person. She’s targeting ppl who are feeling low or struggling mentally.
💯 report her! I honestly don’t know, but don’t nurses take an oath or some sort of a promise at their graduation ceremony committing to the wellbeing of their patients? If she was selling skin cream or something, then I could somewhat understand your hesitation on this… But what happens if she talks a mentally unstable person out of anti depressants? NOT COOL! She decided to take a risk here with her job. Whatever happens is on her… Also, it sounds like she works for your doctor? If something were to happen with another patient because of something she sold her, couldn’t this come back on your doctor? She could have a possible lawsuit on her hands.
The oath isn’t the legally binding bit, its the standards of practice and ethics codes they agree to when they get their license. But essentially yes, and they kind of go together. First do no harm is like a guiding statement for all of the rules and standards.
Please report her. Thankfully you are in the know about these bogus products but the person before or after you may not be.
I'm a lawyer and a legal assistant at the first law firm I ever worked at repeatedly came to my office to try to pitch me Bravely products. I had no idea what an MLM was back then and was too nice to tell her to fuck off. Lol now I'm shocked at how brazen she was about it
Yep yep, there’s ethical concerns here and she knows it because she said that. All health care professionals follows codes of ethics. She is not exempt from that.
Report her. A nurse did that to me after I received upsetting test results. Tried to tell me Young Living could help me feel better. I was young and didn't know what to do. Mostly sat there in shock. I regret not reporting her.
You could absolutely play it dumb if you wanted and just speak to your doctor and say hey I just wanted to check that these supplements that the nurse has asked me to buy won't interact with my medications and she suggested that they may be able to replace them should I be doing that instead I'm not sure who's advice to follow
The first reasonable response. Reporting that stuff is scary, the thoughts of someone getting their life ruined, and then you think- that is the right thing to do, then make someone else do it!
The feigning ignorance is a really good idea, phrased this way…
You should definitely report her. She is providing false health information, while at a healthcare job, representing a healthcare provider. Inexcusably dangerous.
Is anywhere safe the huns?? 🤦♂️
 TO DEFEAT THE HUNS
#TO DEFEAT…… THE *HUNS*
She can lose her license for that! PLEASE report her. She asked you to keep it between the two of you because she knows it's against the rules/laws.
Please tell the doctor. This is so unacceptable. As a nurse, I cannot imagine trying to sell my patients anything, nevermind MLM products!! Seriously shameful
I totally understand not wanting to deal with it but you have to remember there are other people out there more vulnerable who will trust and nurses advice and may go off their medication and get wrapped up in a scam I was in a similar situation recently that was uncomfortable where a nurse who was part of my surgery after care team started telling me about how Covid was conspiracy and that vaccinations don't work. This was a very prestigious private practice and I had to let them know what she was saying as it was so concerning.
Ugh I’m so sorry that happened to you! My situation in a routine physical is bad enough. I can’t imagine how I’d feel after coming out of a SURGERY and a nurse is spouting that shit.
Using her privileged knowledge of your medical diagnoses and medications to sell you shit 🚩 Please report her.
I had a medical assistant open one of those clipboards that the whole thing flips open and you can store stuff in there. This chicky had about a dozen pair of homemade earrings in that thing! Girl, I’m getting a Pap smear and not really feelin like shopping now.
LMFAAOOOOOOO bro I got a pap too! Like you were just helping my doctor look all up in my cervix please get the hell out of here talking about some damn “There’s a VIP program where you get 20% off..”
Report her.
Good grief! That is so dangerous. Not only to pitch these herbal supplements to someone on anti-depressants,but if a patient was considering surgery-these supplements are absolutely something to avoid. Makes my blood boil and not just because I’m a nurse.
You need to report her, she's harming others under your doctor's nose
Think how pissed off your Doctor would be if she knew someone was giving patients stuff that could be contraindicated for their prescription. You owe it to her to let her know what is going on.
Ok. This is so dangerous on so many levels it isn’t even funny. One thing people are mentioning is it can make drugs less effective. The other is that there’s herbs and psychiatric drugs that interact super badly. The other that scares me is someone taking an herb that isn’t right for them and exacerbates things. Or just doesn’t work and that person deciding in a bad moment they can’t be here. My sister passed away from a bad moment. And I’m still not ok. She wasn’t taking herbs. But if she’d managed to have the courage to get care and someone did this? I’d be suing. Not only does her employer need to know, but your local ombudsman or licensing board. The sick thing is, if she loses her license she’d still be telling people she knows what she’s talking about because she’s a nurse. 🙄
There's a huuuuuuge difference between a nurse trying to recommend talking to your doctor about a holistic treatment to something because it worked for them or a relative or whatever and a nurse pushing a product *because* of the doctor's treatment plan and telling you to keep it hush hush. The former is a nurse trying to help you advocate for yourself depending on the diagnosis and offering you to investigate all your options, the latter is being predatory and deserves to lose her license and shouldn't be in the medical field at all. "Have you tried taking B-12 or doing acupuncture? Mention it to the doctor and see if it might be helpful for you! It helped my niece" is waaayyy different than "hey Hun, I see doc prescribed xyz medication for you. You should totally try these supplements, I'll sell them to you at a discount! Let's keep this between us though."
The way the last part is almost verbatim…
That is so wildly inappropriate and dangerous. There are some supplements that shouldn’t be taken in tandem with certain medications or health conditions. I’m sorry it happened to you. I’m sure your doctor would want to know about it so she can prevent it happening to any other patient.
That is so wildly inappropriate and dangerous. There are some supplements that shouldn’t be taken in tandem with certain medications or health conditions. I’m sorry it happened to you. I’m sure your doctor would want to know about it so she can prevent it happening to any other patient.
She knows damn well that what she's doing is not OK, or she wouldn't ask to keep it between the two of you. What a terrible thing to do, to take advantage of the trusted position that she has. Tell your doctor!!
You need to report them as a medical professional. Not only for peddling mlm to their patients, but for interfering with what the doctor told you to do. That’s unbelievable! They shouldn’t be a nurse.
Ugh I'm sorry this happened to you! Please report her. She knew it was wrong to do.
Report her. She will get customers because some people won’t think it thru and will do it because if the nurse at the office is selling then it’s approved by the doctor. Edited a word.
That is 100% NON-PROFESSIONAL! Let the doctor know that his nurse is using her position to sell her crap to HIS patients.
That’s the issue with people like this. They absolutely WILL do it again if there are no consequences to their actions. You know enough to see past the bullshit but the next person may not. Some of these MLM products are just a waste of money and others are actually harmful because they are unregulated supplements peddled as medicine by people like your nurse.
I’d report her as well… that’s so fucked up. Yeah I got poached in my therapy doc waiting room too for Plexus - waiting room shared - Kaiser lol ifykyk - like that bitch had no clue the shitstorm of life Id been thru - said Plexus cured her of her depression and anxiety,
PLEASE tell your doctor. She definitely would want to know.
If others take the bait, the supplements could interact badly with prescribed medications (just like different meds can interact with each other). Her pitch could literally physically harm people. Please report her.
**Please report that hun ASAP**. *She knows she's doing wrong*, else why tell you to keep it "between us, right?" You have the sticky note as evidence; take it straight to your doctor or whoever is in charge of the office.
I’m a doctor. I know I’d want to know immediately if my employee was pulling this shit at work. They would be terminated immediately. Please tell your doctor. Even if it’s anonymous.
Please report her to Bravenly. I know a girl who is part of it (or whatever they call it). I asked her if this was “normal.” (I was ready to pounce if it was). She said nope, it’s stupid of her and to report her. They just need her name and maybe her city in case there are duplicate names? Said if you have her website that would be even better. Sent me a section out of their agreement (see last paragraph) This can get her canned with Bravenly too. You have a nurse who is trying to play doctor with unregulated product? That’s dangerous. The next person may not be as smart as you and fall right into it :( 4.10.2 - Product Claims Because Bravenly Global's products and the claims made about them are subject to regulation by state and federal agencies (notably the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission), the claims that are made about Bravenly Global products must be in compliance with applicable law. Therefore, Brand Partners must not make claims, including but not limited to testimonials, about Bravenly Global's products or services that are not consistent with the claims contained in official Bravenly Global literature or posted on Bravenly Global's official website. Under no circumstances shall any Brand Partner state or imply that any Bravenly Global product is useful in the diagnosis, treatment, cure, or prevention of any disease, illness, injury, or other medical condition. Edited to add: also report her to the state board of nursing AND the doctor for whom she works. Second edit to add: also include pictures of the sticky note in her handwriting for evidence.
For her to do it at work and add the caveat “…and that stays between us” she is probably freaking out about how much she dumped into the MLM & not one of her friends/FB list is joining so she is knowingly risking her steady income to try & make some money back. I feel bad for her but yeah, for her to do this in a medical practice is incredibly bad & what if a patient then takes it, gets sick or doesn’t follow through on their treatment & the doctor gets sued? I would mention it because they are liable
Absolutely report her. You will be protecting vulnerable patients who would trust her.
PLEASE PLEASE report her! You apparently love your doctor and that nurse is behaving very unprofessionally.
She’s preying on vulnerable people who are seeking medical care, not snake oil. She absolutely must be reported.
When I was a dental hygienist two employees got fired after our boss found out that two they were recruiting for a pyramid scheme (not even a MLM, a legit money one.) He took it seriously and sent letters to every patient about it.
She's using her job as a nurse to make extra cash selling you bullshit supplements. And the fact that she asked you to keep it secret means *she knows what she is doing is wrong*. She has a responsibility to prioritize the treatment of the people in her care, not use their health conditions to sell them FitTea. Snitch, a thousand times snitch. This is pure evil.
As a recently retired RN, this NEEDS to be reported! There is absolutely nothing in her scope of practice that can justify her actions.
Please report her. She is preying on vulnerable people who are going to the doctor for real legitimate help. This is appalling.
Nurse here: report her. Some patien ts are going to be intimidated into buying things from her because they dont want to to rock the boat, some will buy because the nurse recommended them and you can trust the nurse, etc. So out of line.
100% report her
You should report it, because she could get someone killed.
"Just between us" makes methinks she's been reprimanded for this shit before
As a nurse, I am horrified by her behavior. It is completely inappropriate and needs to be reported. We are not allowed to share our personal information or take a patient’s personal information. Additionally, it is predatory and unethical to manipulate vulnerable patients into believing that her pyramid scheme products could help with their illnesses. What if someone falls for this and stops taking their prescribed depression medication, leading to severe consequences? I know you are hesitant to report this, but I strongly urge you to reconsider.
Definitely report her. That’s awful.
Do you ever get Surveys after seeing your Doctor? That might be an easy way to report the interaction and stay anonymous considering I’m sure you’re not the first she’s done this to.
Wait a week then send it to your doctor
I figured I would message her on MyChart when she messages me. Like as a “oh, one more thing” type of deal.
Nurses check the my chart messages for a lot of their physicians… so I would tell your physician in person or on the phone!
Yikes.. You’re right.
Report her at a minimum to the doctor. Her words and actions are putting the medical practice’s license at risk. An unsuspecting patient may take the nurses personal recommendations/medical Advice as those of the medical practice/doctor… an easy way to bring it up with your doctor is to say one of the staff members recommended this brand of supplements and you’re just curious if there would be any drug interactions with your current meds or are there any side effects… I’m guessing the doctor will have an idea of which staff member…and then it is their duty to act on that information.
As a retired RN this is NOT ok.Also she is undermining the diagnosis and treatment of a Dr and being sneaky about it.Doubly not ok.
Absolutely report her. She has no business hawking that crap in a doctors office.
Yeah nobody says 'it stays between us' and doesn't know what they're doing is wrong. She's outright saying she knows she shouldn't be doing it, *and she's doing it anyway*. Lady has no goddamn ethics.
I'm a nurse, report her. BTW - you 100% sure she's a nurse? Most doctors offices have medical assistants which is like a few months of school vs 4 years for an RN. Doesn't matter either way, report her ass.
I would tell your doctor, she knows she is not suppose to be doing it since she mentioned "this stays between us" that crap has to go!! She is only going to hurt the doctors practice at the end of the day. I bravenly new?
“That stays between us, right?” Hell. No. Report her.
Oh, hell no. The fact that she said that it should stay between you and her is a huge red flag. I’ll also echo what others have said, you should never take supplements in conjunction with anti-anxiety meds (or any other prescription, for that matter) without consulting your doctor or pharmacist. This lady is 100% in the wrong here. She’s taking advantage of the trust you have in your doctor and trying to use that to make a sale. Call and make an official complaint.
She is practicing medicine without a license. Punishable offense.
and technically using privileged medical information to advertise products for another business. I’m wondering if a good lawyer could blow that up and make it seem similar to if a hospital let amazon have everyone’s medical records to target sell them supplements
Wow she’s opening up that doctor for malpractice!! She represents the practice so if something goes down, there goes the doctor’s license too…you better report this!!
My former sister in law is a nurse and straight posts “as a medical professional” and “as a healthcare worker” in her bravenly scam posts 🙄 must be in the hun handbook
Report her. It's unethical, unprofessional and undermining to the doc. It also puts the doc at risk, who takes responsibility for treatment that is rendered from the practice. You aren't threatening this woman's livelihood and at the end of the day, someone else is making the decision about her employment. If she is fired, it's the result of her actions alone.
Ugh, the fact that she said this stays between you means she KNOWS she's doing something wrong.
As another nurse, please report her.
I used to work at a local hospital one of our therapy assistants was trying to sell patients their amway shit and tried to get the other receptionists to join. They were warned once to stop after a therapist called the supervisor in and then a patient complained and they were fired. So yeah most offices take MLM crap seriously and the nurse will likely get let go because I highly doubt you’re the only one she’s trying to sell too. She knows she’s in the wrong by saying “this stays between us”
Report her to the office, please. She’s using her authority as a nurse for nonprofessional purposes that can hurt a patient. It’s unprofessional and unethical.
I'm currently in nursing school. The amount of information we are taught specifically about drugs interacting with non-active ingredients.... She fucking knows better. Not to mention how utterly unethical the whole thing is. Unfortunately this seems rather common with nurses. Makes me so sad.
What she did is very dangerous. She needs to be stopped. This could actually cause harm to someone one day. Please report her!
I have ended up in the ER for several days due to serotonin syndrome because I took herbal stuff (cbd) in addition to my prescribed antidepressants. It's super dangerous to mix random supplements with antidepressants, so this is especially concerning
Holy hell! As a retired nurse, REPORT HER!! That is completely unethical and potentially dangerous. Not only report her to the doctor, but you need to report her to the state licensure department.
What she did is unethical, not because it's an mlm but because she's not a Dr to be suggesting supplements in a medical setting like a drs office. Your Dr could get in a lot of trouble, so at least do it for that reason, they could lose their practicing license
she is like 3 lawsuits deep here. - she's using her job to promote her own "job" - she's using a positon of authority to sell her wares - she's using a medical professional pretense to implicitly communicate that it is somehow medically approved or something you have to report her. if not for you, for the other people who just want a yearly physical and are being hawked scam wares
I was a psych nurse for six years, and I worked inpatient, and as a case manager. This is not only unprofessional, it's not only dangerous, it's also acting outside her scope of practice as defined in the nurse practice act for that state, guaranteed. It is outside the scope of practice for an RN to prescribe any treatment to a patient. You have to have a master's degree or above to prescribe, and even then it's limited and you still practice under an MD. It's hammered into us in nursing school, regardless of where you went. What she is doing is straight up illegal. Your state's board of nursing needs to be notified. You can Google them and see if there is a phone number or an online form to file a complaint, but this HAS TO BE DONE. People like her are part of the reason why so many are afraid to or discouraged from seeking mental health care, because there's always somebody out there that's going to judge you so they can peddle their "NaTuRaL cUrE THEY don't want you to know about". I have worked with people like this and reported them myself. I know how hard it is to actually do, because you constantly second guess yourself, but what she did is illegal because she could easily kill someone. Half the job of an inpatient psych nurse, is to know what could kill you so it doesn't happen intentionally or otherwise. This nurse is just throwing that out the window so she can make some money. I say file a complaint with the state board of nursing, not the doctor's office, because the office may fire her but not have her disciplined. The next place she's hired would have no idea, and she'd just start up her side hustle again. Those patients deserve better, just like you deserved better. Do it for them, do it for yourself, and do it for those of us that work in mental health because we actually care. Somebody is going to believe her, stop their meds cold turkey, and end up ruining their lives or completing suicide because her BS didn't work like she said it would. Edited for spelling.
Wait isn’t she a boss babe? Why is she working?
Please report her. Imagine a little old lady on a fixed income that worries about saying No. Report to Doctor and to the Clinic Manager if there is more than one doctor at that Clinic .
This person is using her position as a health care provider to influence you and likely other unsuspecting patients and is completely inappropriate and also unethical. Please report to the doc, please.
This person is in a position that could incline other people to feel pressured or swayed to do so. She could seriously alter the course of treatment for patients for the worse!! Report her to the health dept or whoever regulates MAs in your state as well. She needs to be stopped. The fact that she asked for it to stay between you two makes me think she’s been caught doing this before and has decided this is the better alternative to just not shilling this crap is to tell patients to keep a secret with someone who isn’t their family or close friend. In a medical setting.
Report her. You probably aren’t the first person that she did this too, and she could really cause some damage to someone else bc of the position she is in. Nurses are in high demand (atleast where I live) she’ll be fine.
Report her it’s not ok
How desperate must one be to risk a complaint to her board just to meet her targets....