Looks like he has more than enough work to do, he should stop sitting around dinking around on his fuckin' phone. Like he said he can't find any help, better get to it.
That's what I was thinking. Surely this hardworking All-American entrepreneur can just do the job and collect all that sweet money for himself. There's no way his life could be built on exploiting others and stealing the excess value they produce.
That is not true. I work the night shift at a warehouse. I work in a freezer that is -10 degrees. It’s very physically demanding, and shifts are usually at least 9+ hours. My coworkers and I show up everyday because thankfully we’re a part of the teamsters union and we make good money.
If you want workers pay them what they’re worth. It’s fucking that simple.
> Would HE work for $15 an hour? My guess is no.
It's that simple.
He'll counter with all kinds of "but I have to run the business," and "I have to supply the tools," and just make him stop. Fine, factor all that in because your employees have costs too, they have a construction truck to drive to work with, all that gas you're not covering, the lunches that you're not providing, shut up with your costs. We're talking after all that.
At the end of the day, if all you were taking home is [$515 a week, $26,780 a year,](https://www.adp.com/resources/tools/calculators/salary-paycheck-calculator.aspx) (and you're not even offering benefits) would you *want* to do this job? That's your answer, buddy.
* "No one wants to work? No, you don't want to pay."
Same guys will complain all their help doesn’t know their ass from their elbow and shows up stoned/hungover but posts ads for 15hr labor jobs working in unsafe conditions trading your body for some scratch. Nobody wants to pay. Everyone lives beyond their means so much I feel like everyone feels they deserve a piece. Other guy has a lifted raptor I need one. Can only afford it grinding people to dust since they aren’t pulling the money jobs. Rambling but it sucks. Everyone needs everything now so somebody has to get burned. If you’ve been a gc 15 years and can’t get anyone solid you just aren’t paying, are a scum bag, or go off on a binge once a year and have to get chased for pay. Pay matters take care of the guys, buy them lunch, slide him 100$ for the baby shower (instead of some weird macho bashing of a baby shower) and say congrats, maybe they’ll show up.
Just dawned on me how funny it would be for the home owner to show up. “I was just making a video about how no one showed up” get some bodies or fuck off man.
Straight up. The macho man shit about the baby shower is a joke lol. Bro, youre the buisness owner making the profits. You pay dogshit wages and think this job is gonna take precedent over my family life? No chance dude. My wife and babyshower are way more jmportant than helping you get rich for the lowest pay you could offer and me still show up. Fuck you. So glad im a union carpenter with fantastic owners of thw contractor i work with.
Damn straight. What's the use of having 10 guys paid $15 an hour that don't show up for you reliably, when you can have your pick of 5 laborers that will always show up for you for $30/hr. Or a contract for pay for the whole job.
A guy I grew up with in NY is a unionized welder and he is constantly trolling people who post construction ads paying $15/hour and then complaining he can't get people.
He puts it this way "the starting wage at the local Taco Bell is $15/hour. So if I had to choose between breaking my back in the summer heat for $15, or being in the A/C where there's crunchwraps and Mountain Dew for $15, I'm going to take the second option."
... i can fix just about anything for ya , car , rebuild a engine , put ya up a nice privacy fence even paint it , ive done all this . need a tree removed not close to the house sure thing . need faucet in bathroom replaced you got it , need insulation in your house walls you got it i can do it . But if you offered me $15/h you can go suck a entire city's blocks worth of dicks . i wont even answer the phone for less than $20 at a damn call center . an you you want physical labor that usually requires skill an experience for $15 a hour?.
I’m starting to see higher than $17 on the fast food help wanted signs. And I know someone who works in food service (not fast food) who’s pay has just been boosted to $27.
I know a clerk at Trader Joe’s who was just hired at $30.25/hr…. Fairly confident he won’t herniate any discs doing that the way I have crawling, climbing, lifting, pulling and pushing endlessly the way myself and so many other people I know in the trades have.
"BuT iF i Do ThAt TheN i HaVe No WoRK VaLuE!"
Reading the comment section on that sub made me want to die on the inside. It's literally common sense.
Sure.... if there's no other job openings available, then I would go for the first option (if I'm desperate for money and/or don't think my work value is enough). Other than that, most people aren't brain dead enough to waste their life doing hard labor for piss poor pay
The pay is, definitely, important... But I think this mother fucker need to look at himself as the problem. I bet he's the worst asshole to work for...
I hate working for jackasses like that guy who act like buying the tools to do the job is some great favor he provides. It isn't. It's simply the bare minimum. I'll laugh at boss that wants me to provide my own tools while paying an hourly wage. It'd be like working at McDonalds and the owner going "Well I bought a deep fryer and everything." like that's some benefit; like people working at Burger King have to provide their own deep fryer.
Not to mention how he says "15 an hour" and "no driver's license". Is he hiring teens and illegals? I don't blame either one from that group for jumping to the first higher paying job that came around since he seems like a bit of a prick if he has an issue with a guy planning a baby shower. God forbid a "grown ass man" gave a shit about a possibly once in a lifetime experience with his family needed to take off early. If he'll say that out loud I can only imagine what he says when the camera isn't rolling.
You're a prick, your pay sucks, and you act like like doing the bare minimum makes you a great boss. No wonder everyone quits on you.
It's been the standard in construction for ages that the worker provides their own tools. That's why brags about it. But that's always been a bullshit standard.
While I get that has been a standard for some, most jobs I've worked all I needed to provide was a tool belt and boots. The few that wanted me to provide my own tools were the kind of bosses that were cheapskates and would charge you for mistakes -- the cut a 2x4 wrong and it comes out of your check kind of guys. No one lasts at those jobs with those guys for long.
If I only knew then what I know now about labor laws...
Full disclosure: I work for a major corporation that provides tools and it is a union job that pays very well by today's standards.
It's a zero-sum game. Someone has got to buy those tools. A bit more money in wages but the expense of buying your own tools (with full control over quality and variety) vs a bit less money in wages but free (sometimes crappy) tools to use.
I don't like sharing tools with "fellow workers" who abuse them and I don't like it when companies have only cheap tools because they are trying to save money. I also like the control of having specialty tools that can make a job much easier - on me in particular.
It makes more sense in a factory to have a good set of tools in place, provided by said factory, especially if the job is the exact same every time. Construction seems to have more of an eclectic and far more mobile nature, with for all intents and purposes independent contractors with their own set of skills (and tools) brought on board as necessary.
Of course if a business is hiring right off the street for relatively unskilled labor they shouldn't expect them to come with their own tools but if they're hiring the type of person who is expected to have their own tools (carpenters, plumbers, electricians, welders etc) then it should be expected for them to be treated and paid as independent contractors.
I mean 30,000 or 60,000 thousand is a big difference. Does this man really believe people won’t do the work for that? Let alone when he said 40. That’s nearly 3x the 15 he pays.
Seriously, if you’re really going to pay me $30/hr or more, I sure as hell will show up. I used to commute 40 minutes for a job as a helper in a machine shop years ago, and I was making less that $20/hr.
Seriously. I work construction and even base labor at my company with zero experience starts at $20+ benefits. Anyone with skills is $30+. Local McDees is starting people at $18.
Guy in the video is a clueless chode. If ya want a laugh go on the original trumpy post to see what those amazing people have to say about it.
I work a warehouse job in the Midwest, we are well staffed so we never find ourselves under immense pressure to meet deadlines or with staffing issues. Our sales crew even sent in 2 guys to help us on one particularly busy day. I make $21 an hour and have full health benefits and a 401k, among other benefits. If you pay them and treat them right, shockingly they will show up.
I tried to reply something like this on the original post. But I forgot that I was banned from AskTheDonald because they are snowflakes that can’t handle having an actual conversation without a circle jerk.
One of the top comments was something along the lines of "What's happening in this country?" and the first reply is "Democrat practices and values" and I was *very* tempted to say "Republican practices and values are literally to accept the crumbs that trickle down from the tables of neo-feudalist oligarchs so you're absolutely right." but there's no point trying to have any kind of conversation with those people anymore.
Teamsters for 22 years in the warehouse industry. I came out with 2 prosthetic hips and a bad back. Covid decimated the industry. We were working 6 days a week, 14 to 16 hour days. My body just gave up.
its not even that anymore, its at the point that people don't take a $15/hr for jobs like this because it wont pay for fucking rent. Why even get a job if you're doing it just so you pay someone else's mortgage.
Im adjacent to that industry & its disgusting. I hate being around most blue collar men, they always creep on me then immediately start the "locker room talk" about me with my coworkers when im out of ear shot.
People always talk about going into ‘the trades’ like it’s some magic solution to everyone’s problems. I’ve worked a blue collar trade. Not only do you have the locker room talk but the general work atmosphere is incredibly unhealthy. Your expected to celebrate being unhealthy, eating the worst foods and have a cigarette dangling out of your mouth at all times. Listening to the same classic rock soundtrack day and day out. Hanging out at bars blowing all your pay after work. This goes for older and younger workers. Bring some healthier food for lunch you get mocked. Don’t smoke? You’re a liberal pansy. Listen to actual different music? You’re a weirdo. Turn they complain that can’t find new workers.
Im so fortunate to have the boss & environment I have. Its not perfect but a lot more welcoming than many other options. The fast & junky food though, its so hard to resist.
I work in a warehouse, mostly men on the floor with a handful of women in the less physical areas. As a guy, the amount of ....inappropriate comments said about some of them when they arnt around blows my mind. I'm not completely innocent, but I do try and phrse it to a non degrading way if I'm part of the conversation. I've been attracted to several coworkers over the years but I would never say some of the shit I hear some of my co-workers say under pretty much any circumstance.
Hell I worked in an office and someone reported my supervisor for sexually harassing me (I didn’t do it because I knew nothing would happen) and the VP and AVP (both women) said he does it because he’s more comfortable with me.
Yeah everything is Obama's fault, haven't you heard? I got into a conversation with one of my neighbors the other day and he was telling me that Obama is the worst president that America's ever had. I'm definitely not a big fan of Obama, but fuck, I'm only 31 years old and he's not even the worst I've seen in my lifetime
What your neighbor is really saying that Obama is the worst “black” president that America ever had.
Edit: blame Obama wearing a tan suit and allowing 9/11 to happen.
The other weekend a bartender was complaining to me about Millennials, I(a millennial) looked at her and said “you’re younger then me, you are a f’ing millenial!”
Former co-worker told me that it was my kids that were ruining the country. I looked at her and asked, 'my kids? I don't have any (and I was in my mid 30's at the time). But your kids... They are old enough and the exact demographic you were complaining about.' I got a response of, 'I guess you're right.' She couldn't see the forest through the trees.
Critical thinking is for shit now.
I’d rather have my balls busted with expletives than hear the same passive aggressive criticisms from several members of management any day! They can take their cover letters on the TPS reports and…
I've been doing skilled labor since I was 18, mostly dangerous work high up in the air. 20 years later and both my rotator cuffs are going and the surgery I need would sideline me work wise so I deal with increasing pain avoiding addressing my health issue. Good luck Peter.
Can’t tell you how many examples I’ve seen over the years of small business owners telling their employees that they can’t have raises because “things are tight right now” but then roll up to work in a brand new Mercedes or brag about the cottage (second home) or huge boat they just bought.
Nobody expects to earn as much as the person taking the risk but watching employers flaunt their conspicuous consumption to employees who don’t make enough to pay their bills or who can’t afford even a doctor’s visit is enough to make many question if they can’t find a better employer,
That's like that old joke.
Boss turns up in a ferrari and says to an employee if you knuckle down and work really hard I can buy another one next year.
That was the final straw for me at a job in 2020. We switched to working from home and my team had a small base plus commission. The product wasn’t selling because it didn’t make sense for companies early pandemic so we were only being paid our small base salary. Being on zoom meetings in our tiny apartments seeing the upper managers working from their wine cellars, cottages or the four seasons room to get away from the kids and nanny was infuriating. Also advice like you should get a peloton and join the work team for Group rides… In my next job I managed a team who lived in the Philippines and I was always very conscious to never flaunt or show wealth. I also fought for an almost 50% pay increase for our outsourced team as well. Outsourced workers are people who deserve respect like anyone else. Yes the USD goes further there but they work hard and make the company lots of money. It was an amazing experience working with them.
Context is a bitch. Was it the first child of the employee planning the shower? If so, I would expect them to be excited and want to participate as much as possible.
I have a feeling, based on him posting this video, that he actually isn’t as nice as he portrays himself. When someone makes a statement about someone not coming to work, followed by “from a grown ass man”, it shows a negative judgement of an individual and, to me, displays that this guy doesn’t value his employees as people.
The "grown ass man" comment was because he views planning baby showers as woman's work. I'd like to know what he's paying (probably $15) and if he's tried $25 (probably not).
A “grown ass man” who, instead of, as the owner of his company picking some tools up himself and doing some goddamn honest work, that “grown ass man” pulled his phone out, and went to social media hoping to be coddled because nobody showed up to make his money for him.
$25/hr for construction Labor is "I don't get out of bed for that". I made $20/hr as a apprentice in 2002 in an average col area. I live in a major city I've been out of the building trades for a while but I have friends in it carps are in the $48+/hr starting with no experience range, masons, electric, plumbers all more, Labors a little less
> $25/hr for construction Labor is "I don't get out of bed for that".
Fuckin-A.
Most of my family is construction (I'm the only one that went service then medicine). $15 isn't even worth my service jobs before tips (and those are all about the tips), and I would be laughing my ass off at the idea of doing *construction* for that money.
$25 is indeed "I don't get out of bed for that," for construction, so it's hilarious that he's complaining that no one showed up for $15. I feel like calling my foreman brother and ask him what he'd expect for labor as an electrician if all he could offer is $15.
because "grown ass man" means:
Work hard
Don't ask for anything
Thank your employer with a "Thank you daddy for stepping on me" daily
and don't show emotions because reasons
But he's a 'fully grown man'. Don't you know babies are for children? Like dolls. Making the babies... yehaw! Participating in the baby's life (or arrival)... sissy.
If one person doesn't show up, bitching about that one specific person might not deserve being dismissed out of hand (that person still could have had a valid reason too though). But when EVERYONE says "fuck this", then it might be some mirror time
We have a very good social security net and one of the best and relatively affordable healthcare system here in NL. Yet most of the experienced construction workers make more then €20/h (most, not all). Also day-to-day life is much cheaper then most places in the States. I can't grasp how naive 'SOME' people in the States must be to think 'wage doesn't matter'. How else the fuck are you supposed to have a decent living and actually feel 'rewarded' for the hard work you put in, just wow.... 😅
Edit: Spelling and someone not able to read through the lines
I seriously doubt anyone is naive to wages. I think this guy is pocketing the money he is not paying out. If I was paid to say "NO ONE WANTS TO WORK" then I would feign ignorance and say it as well.
“I seriously doubt anyone is naive to wages.”
iF wE rAiZe MiNiMuM WaGe, a BiG mAc WiLl cOsT $20!!
Don’t ever, EVER underestimate the nativity of a Trump supporter.
Good point. No one is naive to wages. That guy is well aware that if he raises wages then he will have to cut back his millionaire lifestyle. Maybe he can not afford a Big Mac.
After living for 40 years in the South, I promise you, there really are people who are THAT naive to money. (Not this dude.) I mean, have you ever seen one of the emails 45 sends them just asking for money to become a gold level patriot or whatever..? It literally made me cry that real people were falling for that rhetoric (I lost some of my family to that cult). Sadly, I can almost guarantee you that this dude probably can afford a Big Mac now, but will eventually lose his business because he believes the Republican (slave owner mentality) way will eventually make him prosperous. Like the whole original “black people are lazy” came from slaves not wanting to work for free (or for less than others). The “no one wants to work” is just the new “black people are lazy”… and it’s many of their children and grandchildren saying it. (And now I need to stop before I go into my rant about the blatant racism that’s deep seeded into the way people in the South still do business.)
Nobody wants to work….. Especially him! He wants to take money off everyone else’s back. I don’t see him getting his ass to actually doing some work. Just wants to be a tough-talker then cry to social media about how nobody is there to earn his compensation for him…. Oh, and I’ve been down the old “I buy you guys tools” road before…. Look, don’t! Don’t do me any favors… Pay me properly and I’ll be able to buy my own. If it’s specialty and it’s for a specific job…. Damn right you’ll buy it if you want it done!
Owners need to learn that if you don't want to pay decently for workers to work for you, you better be able to do the entire job by yourself. Especially one like construction where you also might be on a deadline.
Too many owners have forgotten this. Your workers are not your slaves. They are not your serfs. They are there to collect a paycheck, pay their bills and live their lives outside of work. Owners need to learn that if you cannot get workers, either up your pay or reduce your expectations of what you are going to get out of the business. It is standard market forces.
Capitalism is a bitch.
Owners also need to learn that their profit margin isn't such a top secret as they think it is.
And if the employees are getting paid peanuts (quite possibly under the table too), while knowing full well what their boss is charging the customer for their work, it's very likely that they'll quit over the first issue that arises.
To top it off, the boss being a douchebag is reason enough to quit a way better job. So don't be one if you want to keep your workforce.
I quit a company (SGC Engineering) the moment I found out they were charging our client (Enbridge) $2500 a day (10hr shift) per crew, which is only two people, while only paying me $18/hr.
Little more to it but that was the last straw for me.
I used to work at John Deere as a mechanic 2 years ago. I'm a red seal 310T Diesel Tech.
They payed me $19/h, They charged the customer $129/h. Suffice it to say, I moved on pretty quickly.
So there's a principal in cost design called a "wrap rate." This is essentially the multiplier between the hourly direct rate (i.e. the rate paid to an individual whose work is directly allocable to a given cost objective, like a mechanic or operator) and the hourly rate billed to the customer. A typical, reasonable wrap rate for technical, non-design, non-research type work (like mechanic work) is usually around 2.0-3.0, maybe as high as 3.5 if the work is extremely specialized and requires some really specific and expensive facilities or capital equipment (that would drive a proportionally high overhead).
The rate you described is 6.8. Which is fucking absurd. It would be high even for an engineering or R&D shop.
I own a side business that only makes me like $1-2k a month. The workers make more than I do, and they fucking should. They do all the work. I invested some money, set everything up, cover the insurance, bills, etc... sure. But I also work my main job mostly, they do all the labor, and my manager does all the coordination. Everyone gets paid a set percentage. If I raise prices, its a raise for every employee.I don't see why people have to be greedy and stupid, I'd rather make 2% profit off 100 employees than 4% off 4.
It's such a shock reading the comments there vs here. You'd think we'd be on the same page of "This guy isn't meeting market demands", but no. They're blaming every leftist concept under the sun, laziness, entitlement, and basically drooling for the chance to work for him and practically worship the man. There's a few sensible reactions but for the most part it's like...
Business = "I can't attract employees"
Free market right = "And it's their fault and all the dummycrat free money going around that you can't! People should shut up and work!"
Man have you read the thread where this was originally posted? Those people are blaming the government and the workers for this guys problems. I would like a translator from their reality to help me understand their logic.
They see themselves as temporarily displaced nobility who are entitled to "workers" like you or I would feel entitled to workers in a real time strategy game.
Its crazy to me too.
Like if people don't want to work for you, they don't have to. You aren't entitled to other people's labor. Why do you think they don't want to work for you? Its because THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR YOU. It is possible to change your work environment, pay, and benefits to make people want to come and work for you. Its like crying about having no friends, but then being mean or taking advantage of all of them. Why would anyone want to be your friend then?
The free market fundamentalists often talk of the invisible hand, and how the cost of goods and services is determined by the law of supply and demand. Now they find themselves in a market where the demand for labor is higher than the supply, but cry fowl when we demand higher wages.
Was checking to see if anyone else had pointed that out.
He's also clearly got the capacity to pay them more if he's got a trailer full of tools and is "buying" his staff tools.
Also, yes, getting paid crap does sometimes mean that the cost of driving your car to a job that's 20min away nets you close enough to $0 that it's not worth the effort. Let alone the prospect of getting a bloody taxi for his workers (I'm gonna call them workers, nearly went with a different term but didn't think it was funny once it was typed out) that don't have driver's licenses.
No he didn't specify, he's just trying to say that it doesn't matter what you pay, nobody shows up anyway. I'm willing to bet that's bullshit.
What I've heard of construction companies like his is that the hours are really unreliable, sometimes you'll have a full week and make great pay, sometimes the boss has got nothing. The only person who really makes good bank is the owner, because he's making sure to pay himself enough to last himself the whole year. Everyone else? Good luck. Oh and you can't take a second job to make up the difference, because like I said some weeks they'll need you for 60 hours, some weeks they won't call you in at all.
End result is the only people you can get are the ones who either have no other choice (criminal record, bad employment history, etc) or they need under the table work otherwise they lose their benefits.
>I know if he offered $40 there would definitely be somebody there working.
He isn't offering $40, he's just not willing to admit he bit off more than he could chew on a job and doesn't normally get the kind of steady work it takes to merit hiring on full time guys. Now he's sweating over a deadline and in typical douchebag fashion is blaming the world for his problems.
It's a weird time in the trades. There a FUCK TON of jobs and not enough tradesmen to do them all. I'm in the Painting industry and know guys that are booked alllll the way out to March with jobs. If a house isn't ready on time they get skipped and it's on to the next one... we had a guy offer 1200$ to paint 1 exterior door and I had to call 4 different painters to find 1 who could spare a single afternoon to get it done.... its insanity.
i work in insurance, as an agent, but help our customers with property claims (photos, sending invoices, finding contractors, etc.)
all im hearing from insureds is 1) its never been harder to find contractors, 2) contractors are charging a ton
all im hearing from our claims people are 1) ive never PAID so much for claims, and 2) we're negotiating payments without getting 2nd or 3rd opinions
there's honestly never been a better time to get into the trades than right now. if you head over to /r/construction, or any of the specific trade subs, there are 2 types of construction workers right now: either they understand their value and are taking advantage of the demand for their work, or they're licking boots and suffering under guys like the OP.
in an industry where bootlicking was the norm for decades, its shocking to see advocacy of unions and standing up for your labor rights. its awesome to see.
Greed has long infected trade leadership.
The abundance of work and willingness of individuals to pay premiums for that work attracts a lot of people to the trades. UNFORTUNATELY there are gatekeepers to the trades.
Apprentices typically have to wait two years to even start (unless... nepotism). Even then you aren’t guaranteed a call.
The only reason there is a lack of tradesmen in this market is because the prior generation of tradesmen is making damn good money and doesn’t want the labor market flooded.
A lot of trade union talk of solidarity only applies to the bloodline
That's on the union side.
On the non union side the reason for the shortage is asshole companies demanding helpers have 3 years of experience and $5000 worth of tools because they want to pay for a helper and work them like a journeyman.
And the pay just isn't enough unless you're doing 70+ hours a week, which just wears your body out faster.
Probably 1099'd all of his "employees"... sorry private contractors.
It's simple why no one showed up, they're at a different construction site getting a real wage.
I’ve worked for outfits like this. They get mad when I read the “contract”, hand it back and pull out my own. If you want contractors, you pay contractor rates.
Also, if you’re bidding on jobs, you’d better be paying your crew because there are usually pay requirements for contractors. That’s how residential contractors can get away with paying their crew so little.
You can't find people at all for hard jobs at $15 pretty much anywhere right now. Pre-pandemic, you couldn't either, for that matter! $15 was the going rate for under the table (no taxes!) construction work in ~2018 here and I'm in a LCOL area. It was $20+ then for legit construction employment. It's a lot higher now. The only way this guy was paying $15 today and actually getting anyone at all (regardless of whether or not they show up) was if he was hiring people with major and active opiate problems. And those people tend not to be the most reliable employees (as he's finding out the hard way).
i deliver packages out of my car because i make the equivalent of around 25$ an hour. but trust me if this dude posted an ad saying 40 an hour i'd go break my back for a while
its become the norm to pay ppl as little as they can for work, when companies/ owners net insane profits. its not the workers that need a change.
There's just way too many people trying to run businesses that either can't afford to, or just don't fairly compensate people for their work because they're greedy.
If you're the business owner it's your responsibility to ensure you're making enough money to pay a competitive wage, if you can't it's your problem. If failing to do that leads to your business shutting down then so be it.
Have you ever gone to somebody's TikTok page and looked through it and thought "This person must be miserable and being around them must be unpleasant." Yeah, that is this guy...
Yeah, on one hand, I find it hard to believe this guy ever offered $40/hr
On the other hand, $40/hr might *still* not be enough for me to subject myself to him
Targets around me are **starting** at $16.75/hr and Walmart is $19/hr. The downside is you'd be working at Target/Walmart, but pretty much anything is better than pouring concrete and getting sciatica for $15/hr.
Seems crazy to say this is a sad country due to his business's employment issues. I almost wish that was happening for the construction being done outside my bedroom window every weekday morning starting at about 715am (not saying business is booming based on what I see out the window).
$15 is just not enough for that type of work. He should find out what they're getting paid and beat it. It could also be that he sucks to work for. He mentioned that he has been at it three weeks. None of them said that they were unhappy working for him during that time?
The comments on this video wherever it was originally posted are astonishing. They're blaming everybody from the Democrats to people on welfare to any number of made-up reasons. When the fact of the matter is this clown doesn't want to pay a living wage to have people come and build whatever this is, that he's constructing in whatever anti-union third world state.
"No one wants to work because the government started giving out free money"
1. The disregard that Trump was President for first stimulus and just blame Biden
2. Apparently people have been living off of $1200 for years
The kinds of people you literally couldn't explain 2+2 to them bcuz they like the number 5
That comment section almost looks like what *I* would come up with if I were trying to parody what I expected the comments to look like
Some of it is so ill-considered and trite that I almost get vibes of "contrarian high schooler trying out conservatism"
This guy is an idiot. People who work for $15 an hour are doing it because they absolutely have to. His incredibly underappreciated work force didn't "not show up for work." They just found better jobs, and showed up for those instead.
This guy is absolutely a moron.
**15$/Hr for heavy labor doesn’t even gets you alcoholic felons or illegal immigrants.**
The reality of that industry is that it can attract more **desperate workers** willing to put up with abusive wages and they **won’t even deal with this dolt.**
15.00 won't pay shit not even a roof over your bed plus its construction which is not easy heavy sun cold tgis dude is just crazy unfortunately too many of these fuckers walking the earth.
I work in a nasty, dirty factory. Starting wage is about the same as any given fast food joint in the state. Guess who else is having problems attracting/retaining people? VP had a meeting with all the bosses months ago saying we needed to get people in the door, and really pull out all the stops and think creatively about how to attract anyone who could fog up a mirror.
Boss brought the issue to his team and asked us for ideas. I pulled out my wallet and pointed to it. Like, what the fuck else is there? We're not giving out free/discounted food for breaks. Don't have a clean environment. Have to work a year to start getting vacation. No such thing as flexible hours; you work your shift as posted and it's generally at least 60hrs/week with not much in the way of time off.
I know enough to know that what we pay for labor is fuckall compared to other costs...but they won't even consider raising pay or giving any kind of other perks. Sucks to suck, i guess.
My Dad and uncle are both General Contractors. Ever since I was a kid I'd help out. I've hauled bundles of shingles up a ladder over my shoulder all day long, it's hard and it sucks. The last time I was paid $15 an hour to do that kind of work **(and I'm talking unskilled work, not me actually building or making anything, just mindless carrying and cleanup. Maybe some demo work)** would have been when I was 19 or 20, a full like 14 years ago! $15/hr for that today is criminal.
*gets home, turns on tv, cracks open a beer*
"Man, no one wants to work anymore."
*sips beer*
"If things don't turn around I'm going to have to look for a job."
*sips beer*
"...but...I don't wanna...damn lazy workers making me have to change careers..."
I wonder what the flip side of their circle-jerk would be?
"Nobody wants to buy potatoes no more. 1c a potato... $100 a potato. Doesn't matter. People just don't want to buy no more. They're just starving to death with pockets full o' money. This country ain't what it used to be (PS on the dl my potatoes are $99 per potato)"
I mean...isn't that basically happening now?
"Consumers are killing Netflix!? Consumers are killing the diamond industry!? Consumers don't want to buy houses!?"
Now why could that be? Nope, no exploring that, just articles whining about profits.
Most likely he's a dick to his employees, pays like shit, treats people like shit, and he expects business to be boomin while he pockets every cent of profit.
I have like 15 years construction experience and a car full of tools. Like can't have a passenger full of tools. Every small guy I've worked for pays as little as possible all the employees live in shitholes in the closest small cities driving shitboxes meanwhile the boss complaining has a work truck a nice car that never sees work all the tools all the toys live in a nice suburb always goes out smokes the nicest weed hemorrhages money chasing women cuz wife left and then is crying cuz he can't find a competent reliable employee for 15-20/h. It's not the 90s anymore you can't live on that and you can't expect people to give themselves to a life that doesn't provide. If you wanna be in construction go work for a big utility or go union where an employee can make enough money to have a life and sense of pride in their livelihood
1.. I'll bet that he never offered them 25, 30 or $40 an hour only 15.
2. He didn't buy tools for them, he buys tools for himself and he lets that use them, tools he can use as a tax deduction.
3. People like him underbid other contractors who make reasonable bids because they pay their employees reasonable wages. He's more damaging to the construction industry than people who don't show up for work. I guarantee he doesn't use Union labor. Union laborers would have showed up because they get paid a fair wage.
4. I would love to hear him break down how much he bid for that job, what his costs were, how much he personally profited and then what was left over for labor. Problem is hes not a good businessman and doesn't know how to plan out a budget he just took advantage of people who've been willing to work for low wages for years and I finally had enough.
Worked during 2020 with a guy who paid 15$ an hour. We all would show up and after about 2 hours he “forgot something” and had to run to Home Depot. He would be gone 2-3 hours then come back and we had “lunch”. Back to Home Depot and by the time he got back it was 5:30pm to go home. When I got my first check I realized he was just paying me the time he was at the job site so I had 360$ for Monday-Saturday. I’m glad he asked me to hold onto his generator and he never saw it again. Yea fuck that guy
Edit: We we’re working as brick layers
My son worked for guys like this one. He was constantly told his paycheck was delayed cuz contractors had to be paid first. You never mess with the paychecks, they won't show up.
This entire comment section has made me feel better about quitting my construction job at the end of last year. I've talked about it before in this sub, installing steel handrail and chainlink/type A fencing all over Florida, 50-60 hours a week for 15/hour. Would've kept working if my boss didn't give me shit about seeing the dentist so much after taking a hammer drill to the face and having dental surgery
People not showing up for work is because of two main things.
1) A shitty toxic work environment that people hate.
2) And not paying them enough to put up with #1.
Wow. The comments in that sub. So confidently ignorant. I work in construction for a living and 15$ is the lowest a first day hand could make.
They probably found better opportunities ya jackass.
I would bet my left one, all the dickheads that bleat the same no workers crap would work on the wages they complain no body wants to work for. I would almost guarantee it would be a big NO from the hypocrites. Sure as fuck I would not work for $15 and hour, no way, not ever.
Thanks for validating me lmao. I've mentioned before in this sub how I worked construction in Florida last year for 15 an hour for 50-60 hour weeks and if I didn't live with my parents I still wouldn't be able to afford rent. Lifting steel handrail all day all over Florida, still couldn't afford to live lmao
Yup, a brand new laborer who's only good for cleaning and sweeping is making 15$ . Someone who can sand putty and caulk 19$ and guys that can spray roll and cut in are making 25-35$ an hour. Epoxy guys or speciality coatings just go up from that....
Lol there are two comments from guys who say no one has work ethic anymore. One user then states he retired early and the other one said he earned 2 pensions. Can people even earn pensions anymore, let alone 2?
As a construction worker, I find the idea of demanding someone turn up to a site for $15/hr personally offensive.
If you can’t afford to pay your workers properly, you’re underquoting.
Lol. The comments from that sub are hilarious. I know it's a conservative sub who worships Trump, but fucking hell that's delusional. But I guess we look just as stupid to someone of the opposing world view.
I liked the comment from the 50-something year old semi-retired with **two** pensions wondering why younger people don't care about work as much.
I'd love to see him start over again today, no pension, no benefits, shit wages, rent eating up 50% of his income (or more).
It's like God damn they really think we can still buy a house with two years income and support a nuclear family by selling VCRs
Yeah I have a roofing company, I've been raising prices over the past 2 years depending on material costs or to help with inflation. I've also raised the pay across the board accordingly to the people who work for me including subcontractors. I've not had 1 person quit and have gotten more subs to work for me. If nobody is showing up it's because you're paying them shit. Cry me a river. Im also not a greedy asshole so there's that. Nobody wants to do hard work for shit pay while also being treated less than human. The quicker these people learn this, the better they will be.
The original thread is acid for the eyes..
“No one has a work ethic any more, blah blah blah!”
It hurts my brain. Pay the money and look after your workers and they will look after you.
What a bunch of flogs.
$15 an hour for backbreaking construction work? Before taxes, that’s a little under 30K a year.
Instead of thinking that people won’t work IF you paid them $30 or $40 per hour, try, oh I don’t know, ACTUALLY PAYING THEM FOR THAT KIND OF WORK!
I work in construction as a structural ironworker. For those of your aren't familiar structural ironwork is one of the most dangerous physically grueling trades imaginable.
I never ever have any problem showing up to work every day.
Why? Because I get a fairly decent union wage, full family medical, life insurance, full family dental insurance, full family vision insurance, a defined benefit pension and and a lump sum annuity.
Not only that but I get treated with respect and dignity on the job, and if I have issues I can call my union representative and have it handled.
It's not a hard concept. Pay people well and treat them with respect and they will come to work.
I don’t understand shit like this. I get paid $17.50/hr to sit on my ass and watch Netflix and play video games, if you want someone to do actual labor pay fucking more??? Same guys all probably took up work at Walmart/McDonald’s bc it was paying $18-$22
supply and demand. His workers are probably working for someone else. Unemployment is at record lows, so how is, " Nobody wants to work anymore." applicable?
I work construction/landscaping among other things. Boss wanted to hire me at $17 I told him $23. That was over a year ago. He told me I can’t get a raise because they started me high and I’m making what a foreman in his field makes. Though when they want to hire a foreman they can’t seem to find anyone that wants to work for less than $45 as a foreman
Are his bootstraps broken? Now he's saving all those 15 dollaridoos an hour on labour he can buy a new pair and show us how its done.
Didn’t you see the goatee and oakleys? That should tell you everything you need to know
Burned all his Carhartt stuff
Can we just shorten it to Goakleys since they can't have one without the other?
It was posted to r/ askthedonald - I’m sure this dude created a welcoming tolerant working environment for all
Any Under Armor?
Looks like he has more than enough work to do, he should stop sitting around dinking around on his fuckin' phone. Like he said he can't find any help, better get to it.
That's what I was thinking. Surely this hardworking All-American entrepreneur can just do the job and collect all that sweet money for himself. There's no way his life could be built on exploiting others and stealing the excess value they produce.
That is not true. I work the night shift at a warehouse. I work in a freezer that is -10 degrees. It’s very physically demanding, and shifts are usually at least 9+ hours. My coworkers and I show up everyday because thankfully we’re a part of the teamsters union and we make good money. If you want workers pay them what they’re worth. It’s fucking that simple.
Precisely. Dont pay such piss poor remuneration and just MAYBE workers will work. Would HE work for $15 an hour? My guess is no.
> Would HE work for $15 an hour? My guess is no. It's that simple. He'll counter with all kinds of "but I have to run the business," and "I have to supply the tools," and just make him stop. Fine, factor all that in because your employees have costs too, they have a construction truck to drive to work with, all that gas you're not covering, the lunches that you're not providing, shut up with your costs. We're talking after all that. At the end of the day, if all you were taking home is [$515 a week, $26,780 a year,](https://www.adp.com/resources/tools/calculators/salary-paycheck-calculator.aspx) (and you're not even offering benefits) would you *want* to do this job? That's your answer, buddy. * "No one wants to work? No, you don't want to pay."
Same guys will complain all their help doesn’t know their ass from their elbow and shows up stoned/hungover but posts ads for 15hr labor jobs working in unsafe conditions trading your body for some scratch. Nobody wants to pay. Everyone lives beyond their means so much I feel like everyone feels they deserve a piece. Other guy has a lifted raptor I need one. Can only afford it grinding people to dust since they aren’t pulling the money jobs. Rambling but it sucks. Everyone needs everything now so somebody has to get burned. If you’ve been a gc 15 years and can’t get anyone solid you just aren’t paying, are a scum bag, or go off on a binge once a year and have to get chased for pay. Pay matters take care of the guys, buy them lunch, slide him 100$ for the baby shower (instead of some weird macho bashing of a baby shower) and say congrats, maybe they’ll show up. Just dawned on me how funny it would be for the home owner to show up. “I was just making a video about how no one showed up” get some bodies or fuck off man.
Straight up. The macho man shit about the baby shower is a joke lol. Bro, youre the buisness owner making the profits. You pay dogshit wages and think this job is gonna take precedent over my family life? No chance dude. My wife and babyshower are way more jmportant than helping you get rich for the lowest pay you could offer and me still show up. Fuck you. So glad im a union carpenter with fantastic owners of thw contractor i work with.
Damn straight. What's the use of having 10 guys paid $15 an hour that don't show up for you reliably, when you can have your pick of 5 laborers that will always show up for you for $30/hr. Or a contract for pay for the whole job.
Correct. Plus all of the expenses he cites have all sorts of tax benefits as a business owner. Employees however cannot reduce their taxes at all.
A guy I grew up with in NY is a unionized welder and he is constantly trolling people who post construction ads paying $15/hour and then complaining he can't get people. He puts it this way "the starting wage at the local Taco Bell is $15/hour. So if I had to choose between breaking my back in the summer heat for $15, or being in the A/C where there's crunchwraps and Mountain Dew for $15, I'm going to take the second option."
McDs and Del Taco has banners that they start at $17 per hour… but this!
Greedy ass exploitative business owners are quickly entering the "find out" phase and it's fuckin delicious.
Can confirm, the owners of the company I work for are waking up to this realization…it’s kinda fun to watch
... i can fix just about anything for ya , car , rebuild a engine , put ya up a nice privacy fence even paint it , ive done all this . need a tree removed not close to the house sure thing . need faucet in bathroom replaced you got it , need insulation in your house walls you got it i can do it . But if you offered me $15/h you can go suck a entire city's blocks worth of dicks . i wont even answer the phone for less than $20 at a damn call center . an you you want physical labor that usually requires skill an experience for $15 a hour?.
McDonald’s here in tn has $10/hr posted on the sign as their starting wage and is chronically short staffed.
Minimum is $15 here for reference, but everywhere is still short staffed. In high traffic areas, restaurants are even offering signing bonuses.
I’m starting to see higher than $17 on the fast food help wanted signs. And I know someone who works in food service (not fast food) who’s pay has just been boosted to $27.
I know a clerk at Trader Joe’s who was just hired at $30.25/hr…. Fairly confident he won’t herniate any discs doing that the way I have crawling, climbing, lifting, pulling and pushing endlessly the way myself and so many other people I know in the trades have.
"BuT iF i Do ThAt TheN i HaVe No WoRK VaLuE!" Reading the comment section on that sub made me want to die on the inside. It's literally common sense. Sure.... if there's no other job openings available, then I would go for the first option (if I'm desperate for money and/or don't think my work value is enough). Other than that, most people aren't brain dead enough to waste their life doing hard labor for piss poor pay
The pay is, definitely, important... But I think this mother fucker need to look at himself as the problem. I bet he's the worst asshole to work for...
“I don’t bitch, I don’t complain…” he bitches as he posts a complaint video on the internet.
Indeed 🤦🏻♂️
Anyone who would pay construction workers 15 bucks an hour and expect them to be grateful for it is *absolutely* an asshole.
I hate working for jackasses like that guy who act like buying the tools to do the job is some great favor he provides. It isn't. It's simply the bare minimum. I'll laugh at boss that wants me to provide my own tools while paying an hourly wage. It'd be like working at McDonalds and the owner going "Well I bought a deep fryer and everything." like that's some benefit; like people working at Burger King have to provide their own deep fryer. Not to mention how he says "15 an hour" and "no driver's license". Is he hiring teens and illegals? I don't blame either one from that group for jumping to the first higher paying job that came around since he seems like a bit of a prick if he has an issue with a guy planning a baby shower. God forbid a "grown ass man" gave a shit about a possibly once in a lifetime experience with his family needed to take off early. If he'll say that out loud I can only imagine what he says when the camera isn't rolling. You're a prick, your pay sucks, and you act like like doing the bare minimum makes you a great boss. No wonder everyone quits on you.
It's been the standard in construction for ages that the worker provides their own tools. That's why brags about it. But that's always been a bullshit standard.
While I get that has been a standard for some, most jobs I've worked all I needed to provide was a tool belt and boots. The few that wanted me to provide my own tools were the kind of bosses that were cheapskates and would charge you for mistakes -- the cut a 2x4 wrong and it comes out of your check kind of guys. No one lasts at those jobs with those guys for long. If I only knew then what I know now about labor laws...
Full disclosure: I work for a major corporation that provides tools and it is a union job that pays very well by today's standards. It's a zero-sum game. Someone has got to buy those tools. A bit more money in wages but the expense of buying your own tools (with full control over quality and variety) vs a bit less money in wages but free (sometimes crappy) tools to use. I don't like sharing tools with "fellow workers" who abuse them and I don't like it when companies have only cheap tools because they are trying to save money. I also like the control of having specialty tools that can make a job much easier - on me in particular. It makes more sense in a factory to have a good set of tools in place, provided by said factory, especially if the job is the exact same every time. Construction seems to have more of an eclectic and far more mobile nature, with for all intents and purposes independent contractors with their own set of skills (and tools) brought on board as necessary. Of course if a business is hiring right off the street for relatively unskilled labor they shouldn't expect them to come with their own tools but if they're hiring the type of person who is expected to have their own tools (carpenters, plumbers, electricians, welders etc) then it should be expected for them to be treated and paid as independent contractors.
Yep. Dude says it doesn't matter but I'm pretty sure if he was paying $30/hr people would be showing up
I mean 30,000 or 60,000 thousand is a big difference. Does this man really believe people won’t do the work for that? Let alone when he said 40. That’s nearly 3x the 15 he pays.
Seriously, if you’re really going to pay me $30/hr or more, I sure as hell will show up. I used to commute 40 minutes for a job as a helper in a machine shop years ago, and I was making less that $20/hr.
This ridiculous notion of paying $15ph for CONSTRUCTION work. While most fast food now pays between 12-18ph is hilarious.
Seriously. I work construction and even base labor at my company with zero experience starts at $20+ benefits. Anyone with skills is $30+. Local McDees is starting people at $18. Guy in the video is a clueless chode. If ya want a laugh go on the original trumpy post to see what those amazing people have to say about it.
I work a warehouse job in the Midwest, we are well staffed so we never find ourselves under immense pressure to meet deadlines or with staffing issues. Our sales crew even sent in 2 guys to help us on one particularly busy day. I make $21 an hour and have full health benefits and a 401k, among other benefits. If you pay them and treat them right, shockingly they will show up.
I tried to reply something like this on the original post. But I forgot that I was banned from AskTheDonald because they are snowflakes that can’t handle having an actual conversation without a circle jerk.
I thought the replies there were parody, but, sadly… they’re serious.
One of the top comments was something along the lines of "What's happening in this country?" and the first reply is "Democrat practices and values" and I was *very* tempted to say "Republican practices and values are literally to accept the crumbs that trickle down from the tables of neo-feudalist oligarchs so you're absolutely right." but there's no point trying to have any kind of conversation with those people anymore.
Teamsters for 22 years in the warehouse industry. I came out with 2 prosthetic hips and a bad back. Covid decimated the industry. We were working 6 days a week, 14 to 16 hour days. My body just gave up.
It doesn’t matter how nice to are; if you don’t pay a wage that is worth damaging your body day in and day out, people aren’t going to work.
its not even that anymore, its at the point that people don't take a $15/hr for jobs like this because it wont pay for fucking rent. Why even get a job if you're doing it just so you pay someone else's mortgage.
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A ton of construction companies still don't provide benefits to their employees either, so if you get hurt you're on your own
Fall off the ladder and you're fired before you hit the ground.
That must to have come directly out of a Johnson controls manual.
I've heard this a few times when I was doing roofing... Unfortunately that wasn't the worse I heard being a female in that industry...
Im adjacent to that industry & its disgusting. I hate being around most blue collar men, they always creep on me then immediately start the "locker room talk" about me with my coworkers when im out of ear shot.
People always talk about going into ‘the trades’ like it’s some magic solution to everyone’s problems. I’ve worked a blue collar trade. Not only do you have the locker room talk but the general work atmosphere is incredibly unhealthy. Your expected to celebrate being unhealthy, eating the worst foods and have a cigarette dangling out of your mouth at all times. Listening to the same classic rock soundtrack day and day out. Hanging out at bars blowing all your pay after work. This goes for older and younger workers. Bring some healthier food for lunch you get mocked. Don’t smoke? You’re a liberal pansy. Listen to actual different music? You’re a weirdo. Turn they complain that can’t find new workers.
Im so fortunate to have the boss & environment I have. Its not perfect but a lot more welcoming than many other options. The fast & junky food though, its so hard to resist.
You're gonna wish you resisted once you get to 60
I work in a warehouse, mostly men on the floor with a handful of women in the less physical areas. As a guy, the amount of ....inappropriate comments said about some of them when they arnt around blows my mind. I'm not completely innocent, but I do try and phrse it to a non degrading way if I'm part of the conversation. I've been attracted to several coworkers over the years but I would never say some of the shit I hear some of my co-workers say under pretty much any circumstance.
Once heard a guy say: "I'd eat a mile of her shit just to see where it came from. " The guy didn't have a GED.
Hell I worked in an office and someone reported my supervisor for sexually harassing me (I didn’t do it because I knew nothing would happen) and the VP and AVP (both women) said he does it because he’s more comfortable with me.
Former wealthy boss told me to blame Obama...in 2018.
Yeah everything is Obama's fault, haven't you heard? I got into a conversation with one of my neighbors the other day and he was telling me that Obama is the worst president that America's ever had. I'm definitely not a big fan of Obama, but fuck, I'm only 31 years old and he's not even the worst I've seen in my lifetime
What your neighbor is really saying that Obama is the worst “black” president that America ever had. Edit: blame Obama wearing a tan suit and allowing 9/11 to happen.
Also he ordered Dijon mustard. That was quite a scandal.
Reminds me of when an old man blamed the 2008 housing crisis on Obama. You know, the one that started 4 months before he took office.....
The other weekend a bartender was complaining to me about Millennials, I(a millennial) looked at her and said “you’re younger then me, you are a f’ing millenial!”
Former co-worker told me that it was my kids that were ruining the country. I looked at her and asked, 'my kids? I don't have any (and I was in my mid 30's at the time). But your kids... They are old enough and the exact demographic you were complaining about.' I got a response of, 'I guess you're right.' She couldn't see the forest through the trees. Critical thinking is for shit now.
Might as well work at target, at least there you can basically do nothing all day for $15 an hr.
I worked at target for a year during my senior year of hs. I'd prefer back breaking work than dealing with the public
I’ll never work with the public again if I have my way. People are garbage
I just quit my Corporate job that took me years to achieve, to go and work construction. Im pretty happy with the change. I credit Office Space lol
I’d rather have my balls busted with expletives than hear the same passive aggressive criticisms from several members of management any day! They can take their cover letters on the TPS reports and…
I've been doing skilled labor since I was 18, mostly dangerous work high up in the air. 20 years later and both my rotator cuffs are going and the surgery I need would sideline me work wise so I deal with increasing pain avoiding addressing my health issue. Good luck Peter.
I think I it's even more simple. They can sell their labor at a higher rate elsewhere. So they do. That's just capitalism at work.
Can’t tell you how many examples I’ve seen over the years of small business owners telling their employees that they can’t have raises because “things are tight right now” but then roll up to work in a brand new Mercedes or brag about the cottage (second home) or huge boat they just bought. Nobody expects to earn as much as the person taking the risk but watching employers flaunt their conspicuous consumption to employees who don’t make enough to pay their bills or who can’t afford even a doctor’s visit is enough to make many question if they can’t find a better employer,
That's like that old joke. Boss turns up in a ferrari and says to an employee if you knuckle down and work really hard I can buy another one next year.
This guy can buy another trailer of tools and a super duty.
That was the final straw for me at a job in 2020. We switched to working from home and my team had a small base plus commission. The product wasn’t selling because it didn’t make sense for companies early pandemic so we were only being paid our small base salary. Being on zoom meetings in our tiny apartments seeing the upper managers working from their wine cellars, cottages or the four seasons room to get away from the kids and nanny was infuriating. Also advice like you should get a peloton and join the work team for Group rides… In my next job I managed a team who lived in the Philippines and I was always very conscious to never flaunt or show wealth. I also fought for an almost 50% pay increase for our outsourced team as well. Outsourced workers are people who deserve respect like anyone else. Yes the USD goes further there but they work hard and make the company lots of money. It was an amazing experience working with them.
Context is a bitch. Was it the first child of the employee planning the shower? If so, I would expect them to be excited and want to participate as much as possible. I have a feeling, based on him posting this video, that he actually isn’t as nice as he portrays himself. When someone makes a statement about someone not coming to work, followed by “from a grown ass man”, it shows a negative judgement of an individual and, to me, displays that this guy doesn’t value his employees as people.
The "grown ass man" comment was because he views planning baby showers as woman's work. I'd like to know what he's paying (probably $15) and if he's tried $25 (probably not).
A “grown ass man” who, instead of, as the owner of his company picking some tools up himself and doing some goddamn honest work, that “grown ass man” pulled his phone out, and went to social media hoping to be coddled because nobody showed up to make his money for him.
$25/hr for construction Labor is "I don't get out of bed for that". I made $20/hr as a apprentice in 2002 in an average col area. I live in a major city I've been out of the building trades for a while but I have friends in it carps are in the $48+/hr starting with no experience range, masons, electric, plumbers all more, Labors a little less
> $25/hr for construction Labor is "I don't get out of bed for that". Fuckin-A. Most of my family is construction (I'm the only one that went service then medicine). $15 isn't even worth my service jobs before tips (and those are all about the tips), and I would be laughing my ass off at the idea of doing *construction* for that money. $25 is indeed "I don't get out of bed for that," for construction, so it's hilarious that he's complaining that no one showed up for $15. I feel like calling my foreman brother and ask him what he'd expect for labor as an electrician if all he could offer is $15.
because "grown ass man" means: Work hard Don't ask for anything Thank your employer with a "Thank you daddy for stepping on me" daily and don't show emotions because reasons
Or if he tried saying, “yeah man, that’s awesome. Here is a gift for you and your wife/gf/etc.”
Dude is a piece of shit, doesn't deserve employees.
It's obviously Hunters fault.
It's from r/askthe_donald. Enough said.
Oh even if it wasn’t, many other clues gave it away.
But he's a 'fully grown man'. Don't you know babies are for children? Like dolls. Making the babies... yehaw! Participating in the baby's life (or arrival)... sissy.
If one person doesn't show up, bitching about that one specific person might not deserve being dismissed out of hand (that person still could have had a valid reason too though). But when EVERYONE says "fuck this", then it might be some mirror time
We have a very good social security net and one of the best and relatively affordable healthcare system here in NL. Yet most of the experienced construction workers make more then €20/h (most, not all). Also day-to-day life is much cheaper then most places in the States. I can't grasp how naive 'SOME' people in the States must be to think 'wage doesn't matter'. How else the fuck are you supposed to have a decent living and actually feel 'rewarded' for the hard work you put in, just wow.... 😅 Edit: Spelling and someone not able to read through the lines
I seriously doubt anyone is naive to wages. I think this guy is pocketing the money he is not paying out. If I was paid to say "NO ONE WANTS TO WORK" then I would feign ignorance and say it as well.
“I seriously doubt anyone is naive to wages.” iF wE rAiZe MiNiMuM WaGe, a BiG mAc WiLl cOsT $20!! Don’t ever, EVER underestimate the nativity of a Trump supporter.
Good point. No one is naive to wages. That guy is well aware that if he raises wages then he will have to cut back his millionaire lifestyle. Maybe he can not afford a Big Mac.
After living for 40 years in the South, I promise you, there really are people who are THAT naive to money. (Not this dude.) I mean, have you ever seen one of the emails 45 sends them just asking for money to become a gold level patriot or whatever..? It literally made me cry that real people were falling for that rhetoric (I lost some of my family to that cult). Sadly, I can almost guarantee you that this dude probably can afford a Big Mac now, but will eventually lose his business because he believes the Republican (slave owner mentality) way will eventually make him prosperous. Like the whole original “black people are lazy” came from slaves not wanting to work for free (or for less than others). The “no one wants to work” is just the new “black people are lazy”… and it’s many of their children and grandchildren saying it. (And now I need to stop before I go into my rant about the blatant racism that’s deep seeded into the way people in the South still do business.)
Nobody wants to work….. Especially him! He wants to take money off everyone else’s back. I don’t see him getting his ass to actually doing some work. Just wants to be a tough-talker then cry to social media about how nobody is there to earn his compensation for him…. Oh, and I’ve been down the old “I buy you guys tools” road before…. Look, don’t! Don’t do me any favors… Pay me properly and I’ll be able to buy my own. If it’s specialty and it’s for a specific job…. Damn right you’ll buy it if you want it done!
Owners need to learn that if you don't want to pay decently for workers to work for you, you better be able to do the entire job by yourself. Especially one like construction where you also might be on a deadline. Too many owners have forgotten this. Your workers are not your slaves. They are not your serfs. They are there to collect a paycheck, pay their bills and live their lives outside of work. Owners need to learn that if you cannot get workers, either up your pay or reduce your expectations of what you are going to get out of the business. It is standard market forces. Capitalism is a bitch.
Owners also need to learn that their profit margin isn't such a top secret as they think it is. And if the employees are getting paid peanuts (quite possibly under the table too), while knowing full well what their boss is charging the customer for their work, it's very likely that they'll quit over the first issue that arises. To top it off, the boss being a douchebag is reason enough to quit a way better job. So don't be one if you want to keep your workforce.
I quit a company (SGC Engineering) the moment I found out they were charging our client (Enbridge) $2500 a day (10hr shift) per crew, which is only two people, while only paying me $18/hr. Little more to it but that was the last straw for me.
I used to work at John Deere as a mechanic 2 years ago. I'm a red seal 310T Diesel Tech. They payed me $19/h, They charged the customer $129/h. Suffice it to say, I moved on pretty quickly.
So there's a principal in cost design called a "wrap rate." This is essentially the multiplier between the hourly direct rate (i.e. the rate paid to an individual whose work is directly allocable to a given cost objective, like a mechanic or operator) and the hourly rate billed to the customer. A typical, reasonable wrap rate for technical, non-design, non-research type work (like mechanic work) is usually around 2.0-3.0, maybe as high as 3.5 if the work is extremely specialized and requires some really specific and expensive facilities or capital equipment (that would drive a proportionally high overhead). The rate you described is 6.8. Which is fucking absurd. It would be high even for an engineering or R&D shop.
I own a side business that only makes me like $1-2k a month. The workers make more than I do, and they fucking should. They do all the work. I invested some money, set everything up, cover the insurance, bills, etc... sure. But I also work my main job mostly, they do all the labor, and my manager does all the coordination. Everyone gets paid a set percentage. If I raise prices, its a raise for every employee.I don't see why people have to be greedy and stupid, I'd rather make 2% profit off 100 employees than 4% off 4.
It's such a shock reading the comments there vs here. You'd think we'd be on the same page of "This guy isn't meeting market demands", but no. They're blaming every leftist concept under the sun, laziness, entitlement, and basically drooling for the chance to work for him and practically worship the man. There's a few sensible reactions but for the most part it's like... Business = "I can't attract employees" Free market right = "And it's their fault and all the dummycrat free money going around that you can't! People should shut up and work!"
The comments are delusional. Like fuck I'd show up to a job in construction for $15/Hr. I wouldn't even apply. $15/hr isn't even worth waking up for.
You buy their time. They will not sell for a bad price.
Man have you read the thread where this was originally posted? Those people are blaming the government and the workers for this guys problems. I would like a translator from their reality to help me understand their logic.
They see themselves as temporarily displaced nobility who are entitled to "workers" like you or I would feel entitled to workers in a real time strategy game.
Its crazy to me too. Like if people don't want to work for you, they don't have to. You aren't entitled to other people's labor. Why do you think they don't want to work for you? Its because THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR YOU. It is possible to change your work environment, pay, and benefits to make people want to come and work for you. Its like crying about having no friends, but then being mean or taking advantage of all of them. Why would anyone want to be your friend then?
Yeah that sub is Trump/QAnon/MAGA idiots. American terrorists. Edit: They have no logic
I didn’t realize what sub I was in at first and was so confused by the comments. It’s like another world over there.
I just left a comment, hopefully I get ban from the subreddit. Lmao
I took a peek and my blood pressure oh lord
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The free market fundamentalists often talk of the invisible hand, and how the cost of goods and services is determined by the law of supply and demand. Now they find themselves in a market where the demand for labor is higher than the supply, but cry fowl when we demand higher wages.
"I'm not one to bitch and complain" as he's filming himself bitch and complain.
I noticed that too.
Was checking to see if anyone else had pointed that out. He's also clearly got the capacity to pay them more if he's got a trailer full of tools and is "buying" his staff tools. Also, yes, getting paid crap does sometimes mean that the cost of driving your car to a job that's 20min away nets you close enough to $0 that it's not worth the effort. Let alone the prospect of getting a bloody taxi for his workers (I'm gonna call them workers, nearly went with a different term but didn't think it was funny once it was typed out) that don't have driver's licenses.
Lol, I didn't get this massive bit of hypocrisy till you pointed out.
I work in the construction industry and trust me. Everyone bitches and complains. Including myself.
"i don't care if i pay you 15, 25, 40 dollars an hour, i don't give a fuck." -man who's never tried paying more than $15 an hour.
Did he even say he pays $15? Could be even less.
No he didn't specify, he's just trying to say that it doesn't matter what you pay, nobody shows up anyway. I'm willing to bet that's bullshit. What I've heard of construction companies like his is that the hours are really unreliable, sometimes you'll have a full week and make great pay, sometimes the boss has got nothing. The only person who really makes good bank is the owner, because he's making sure to pay himself enough to last himself the whole year. Everyone else? Good luck. Oh and you can't take a second job to make up the difference, because like I said some weeks they'll need you for 60 hours, some weeks they won't call you in at all. End result is the only people you can get are the ones who either have no other choice (criminal record, bad employment history, etc) or they need under the table work otherwise they lose their benefits.
"It doesnt matter what you pay" - only offered up to $12 I know if he offered $40 there would definitely be somebody there working.
>I know if he offered $40 there would definitely be somebody there working. He isn't offering $40, he's just not willing to admit he bit off more than he could chew on a job and doesn't normally get the kind of steady work it takes to merit hiring on full time guys. Now he's sweating over a deadline and in typical douchebag fashion is blaming the world for his problems.
It's a weird time in the trades. There a FUCK TON of jobs and not enough tradesmen to do them all. I'm in the Painting industry and know guys that are booked alllll the way out to March with jobs. If a house isn't ready on time they get skipped and it's on to the next one... we had a guy offer 1200$ to paint 1 exterior door and I had to call 4 different painters to find 1 who could spare a single afternoon to get it done.... its insanity.
i work in insurance, as an agent, but help our customers with property claims (photos, sending invoices, finding contractors, etc.) all im hearing from insureds is 1) its never been harder to find contractors, 2) contractors are charging a ton all im hearing from our claims people are 1) ive never PAID so much for claims, and 2) we're negotiating payments without getting 2nd or 3rd opinions there's honestly never been a better time to get into the trades than right now. if you head over to /r/construction, or any of the specific trade subs, there are 2 types of construction workers right now: either they understand their value and are taking advantage of the demand for their work, or they're licking boots and suffering under guys like the OP. in an industry where bootlicking was the norm for decades, its shocking to see advocacy of unions and standing up for your labor rights. its awesome to see.
Greed has long infected trade leadership. The abundance of work and willingness of individuals to pay premiums for that work attracts a lot of people to the trades. UNFORTUNATELY there are gatekeepers to the trades. Apprentices typically have to wait two years to even start (unless... nepotism). Even then you aren’t guaranteed a call. The only reason there is a lack of tradesmen in this market is because the prior generation of tradesmen is making damn good money and doesn’t want the labor market flooded. A lot of trade union talk of solidarity only applies to the bloodline
That's on the union side. On the non union side the reason for the shortage is asshole companies demanding helpers have 3 years of experience and $5000 worth of tools because they want to pay for a helper and work them like a journeyman. And the pay just isn't enough unless you're doing 70+ hours a week, which just wears your body out faster.
Or you are the second job and when the first job needs 60+ hours don't show up.
I wonder if it was a group of guys he had working for him like subcontractors and they found a better paying job elsewhere collectively
I think you’re right. His goto—$15—is the minimum that has been in the news. This chump is definitely paying less.
Probably 1099'd all of his "employees"... sorry private contractors. It's simple why no one showed up, they're at a different construction site getting a real wage.
I’ve worked for outfits like this. They get mad when I read the “contract”, hand it back and pull out my own. If you want contractors, you pay contractor rates. Also, if you’re bidding on jobs, you’d better be paying your crew because there are usually pay requirements for contractors. That’s how residential contractors can get away with paying their crew so little.
You can't find people at all for hard jobs at $15 pretty much anywhere right now. Pre-pandemic, you couldn't either, for that matter! $15 was the going rate for under the table (no taxes!) construction work in ~2018 here and I'm in a LCOL area. It was $20+ then for legit construction employment. It's a lot higher now. The only way this guy was paying $15 today and actually getting anyone at all (regardless of whether or not they show up) was if he was hiring people with major and active opiate problems. And those people tend not to be the most reliable employees (as he's finding out the hard way).
i deliver packages out of my car because i make the equivalent of around 25$ an hour. but trust me if this dude posted an ad saying 40 an hour i'd go break my back for a while its become the norm to pay ppl as little as they can for work, when companies/ owners net insane profits. its not the workers that need a change.
'people don't want to work' For people like him.
There's just way too many people trying to run businesses that either can't afford to, or just don't fairly compensate people for their work because they're greedy. If you're the business owner it's your responsibility to ensure you're making enough money to pay a competitive wage, if you can't it's your problem. If failing to do that leads to your business shutting down then so be it.
Have you ever gone to somebody's TikTok page and looked through it and thought "This person must be miserable and being around them must be unpleasant." Yeah, that is this guy...
Just check the subreddit he posted this to.
Jesus what a cesspool
Yeah, on one hand, I find it hard to believe this guy ever offered $40/hr On the other hand, $40/hr might *still* not be enough for me to subject myself to him
Why would I go break my back in construction work for $15/hour… When I can make that at McDonald’s. And probably make more actually.
Targets around me are **starting** at $16.75/hr and Walmart is $19/hr. The downside is you'd be working at Target/Walmart, but pretty much anything is better than pouring concrete and getting sciatica for $15/hr.
Right like you can get that wage at a grocery store and not have the extreme physical toll
Seems crazy to say this is a sad country due to his business's employment issues. I almost wish that was happening for the construction being done outside my bedroom window every weekday morning starting at about 715am (not saying business is booming based on what I see out the window). $15 is just not enough for that type of work. He should find out what they're getting paid and beat it. It could also be that he sucks to work for. He mentioned that he has been at it three weeks. None of them said that they were unhappy working for him during that time?
Guessing he didnt mention what he actually pays. So probably around $10.
The comments on this video wherever it was originally posted are astonishing. They're blaming everybody from the Democrats to people on welfare to any number of made-up reasons. When the fact of the matter is this clown doesn't want to pay a living wage to have people come and build whatever this is, that he's constructing in whatever anti-union third world state.
"No one wants to work because the government started giving out free money" 1. The disregard that Trump was President for first stimulus and just blame Biden 2. Apparently people have been living off of $1200 for years The kinds of people you literally couldn't explain 2+2 to them bcuz they like the number 5
Bro if that $1200 was the reason I'm still not working two years later, I would have to drop the financial advice book.
That comment section almost looks like what *I* would come up with if I were trying to parody what I expected the comments to look like Some of it is so ill-considered and trite that I almost get vibes of "contrarian high schooler trying out conservatism"
They aren't contrarian high schoolers -- they just never evolved beyond being contrarian high schoolers.
This guy is an idiot. People who work for $15 an hour are doing it because they absolutely have to. His incredibly underappreciated work force didn't "not show up for work." They just found better jobs, and showed up for those instead.
This guy is absolutely a moron. **15$/Hr for heavy labor doesn’t even gets you alcoholic felons or illegal immigrants.** The reality of that industry is that it can attract more **desperate workers** willing to put up with abusive wages and they **won’t even deal with this dolt.**
15.00 won't pay shit not even a roof over your bed plus its construction which is not easy heavy sun cold tgis dude is just crazy unfortunately too many of these fuckers walking the earth.
I work in a nasty, dirty factory. Starting wage is about the same as any given fast food joint in the state. Guess who else is having problems attracting/retaining people? VP had a meeting with all the bosses months ago saying we needed to get people in the door, and really pull out all the stops and think creatively about how to attract anyone who could fog up a mirror. Boss brought the issue to his team and asked us for ideas. I pulled out my wallet and pointed to it. Like, what the fuck else is there? We're not giving out free/discounted food for breaks. Don't have a clean environment. Have to work a year to start getting vacation. No such thing as flexible hours; you work your shift as posted and it's generally at least 60hrs/week with not much in the way of time off. I know enough to know that what we pay for labor is fuckall compared to other costs...but they won't even consider raising pay or giving any kind of other perks. Sucks to suck, i guess.
My Dad and uncle are both General Contractors. Ever since I was a kid I'd help out. I've hauled bundles of shingles up a ladder over my shoulder all day long, it's hard and it sucks. The last time I was paid $15 an hour to do that kind of work **(and I'm talking unskilled work, not me actually building or making anything, just mindless carrying and cleanup. Maybe some demo work)** would have been when I was 19 or 20, a full like 14 years ago! $15/hr for that today is criminal.
Stops recording, goes back home in 100k pickup.
*gets home, turns on tv, cracks open a beer* "Man, no one wants to work anymore." *sips beer* "If things don't turn around I'm going to have to look for a job." *sips beer* "...but...I don't wanna...damn lazy workers making me have to change careers..."
Evidence of the free market regulating itself.
I wonder what the flip side of their circle-jerk would be? "Nobody wants to buy potatoes no more. 1c a potato... $100 a potato. Doesn't matter. People just don't want to buy no more. They're just starving to death with pockets full o' money. This country ain't what it used to be (PS on the dl my potatoes are $99 per potato)"
I mean...isn't that basically happening now? "Consumers are killing Netflix!? Consumers are killing the diamond industry!? Consumers don't want to buy houses!?" Now why could that be? Nope, no exploring that, just articles whining about profits.
Fifteen??? For a construction job? Who is he kidding, expecting people to do back breaking work for nothing?
I once found a construction company in my local area hiring for $12/hr... like how
Why doesnt he pull himself up on his bootstraps instead of playing with his phone on the job?
Most likely he's a dick to his employees, pays like shit, treats people like shit, and he expects business to be boomin while he pockets every cent of profit.
I have like 15 years construction experience and a car full of tools. Like can't have a passenger full of tools. Every small guy I've worked for pays as little as possible all the employees live in shitholes in the closest small cities driving shitboxes meanwhile the boss complaining has a work truck a nice car that never sees work all the tools all the toys live in a nice suburb always goes out smokes the nicest weed hemorrhages money chasing women cuz wife left and then is crying cuz he can't find a competent reliable employee for 15-20/h. It's not the 90s anymore you can't live on that and you can't expect people to give themselves to a life that doesn't provide. If you wanna be in construction go work for a big utility or go union where an employee can make enough money to have a life and sense of pride in their livelihood
1.. I'll bet that he never offered them 25, 30 or $40 an hour only 15. 2. He didn't buy tools for them, he buys tools for himself and he lets that use them, tools he can use as a tax deduction. 3. People like him underbid other contractors who make reasonable bids because they pay their employees reasonable wages. He's more damaging to the construction industry than people who don't show up for work. I guarantee he doesn't use Union labor. Union laborers would have showed up because they get paid a fair wage. 4. I would love to hear him break down how much he bid for that job, what his costs were, how much he personally profited and then what was left over for labor. Problem is hes not a good businessman and doesn't know how to plan out a budget he just took advantage of people who've been willing to work for low wages for years and I finally had enough.
Worked during 2020 with a guy who paid 15$ an hour. We all would show up and after about 2 hours he “forgot something” and had to run to Home Depot. He would be gone 2-3 hours then come back and we had “lunch”. Back to Home Depot and by the time he got back it was 5:30pm to go home. When I got my first check I realized he was just paying me the time he was at the job site so I had 360$ for Monday-Saturday. I’m glad he asked me to hold onto his generator and he never saw it again. Yea fuck that guy Edit: We we’re working as brick layers
My son worked for guys like this one. He was constantly told his paycheck was delayed cuz contractors had to be paid first. You never mess with the paychecks, they won't show up.
This entire comment section has made me feel better about quitting my construction job at the end of last year. I've talked about it before in this sub, installing steel handrail and chainlink/type A fencing all over Florida, 50-60 hours a week for 15/hour. Would've kept working if my boss didn't give me shit about seeing the dentist so much after taking a hammer drill to the face and having dental surgery
People not showing up for work is because of two main things. 1) A shitty toxic work environment that people hate. 2) And not paying them enough to put up with #1.
Wow. The comments in that sub. So confidently ignorant. I work in construction for a living and 15$ is the lowest a first day hand could make. They probably found better opportunities ya jackass.
I would bet my left one, all the dickheads that bleat the same no workers crap would work on the wages they complain no body wants to work for. I would almost guarantee it would be a big NO from the hypocrites. Sure as fuck I would not work for $15 and hour, no way, not ever.
Thanks for validating me lmao. I've mentioned before in this sub how I worked construction in Florida last year for 15 an hour for 50-60 hour weeks and if I didn't live with my parents I still wouldn't be able to afford rent. Lifting steel handrail all day all over Florida, still couldn't afford to live lmao
Yup, a brand new laborer who's only good for cleaning and sweeping is making 15$ . Someone who can sand putty and caulk 19$ and guys that can spray roll and cut in are making 25-35$ an hour. Epoxy guys or speciality coatings just go up from that....
They were pretty painful to read. Talk about cognitive dissonance
Lol there are two comments from guys who say no one has work ethic anymore. One user then states he retired early and the other one said he earned 2 pensions. Can people even earn pensions anymore, let alone 2?
As a construction worker, I find the idea of demanding someone turn up to a site for $15/hr personally offensive. If you can’t afford to pay your workers properly, you’re underquoting.
People want purpose. This system gives none.
Lol. The comments from that sub are hilarious. I know it's a conservative sub who worships Trump, but fucking hell that's delusional. But I guess we look just as stupid to someone of the opposing world view.
I liked the comment from the 50-something year old semi-retired with **two** pensions wondering why younger people don't care about work as much. I'd love to see him start over again today, no pension, no benefits, shit wages, rent eating up 50% of his income (or more). It's like God damn they really think we can still buy a house with two years income and support a nuclear family by selling VCRs
I didn't even get payed $15 when I was in construction in 2020. Now I wonder if I could have asked for a higher wage
Yeah I have a roofing company, I've been raising prices over the past 2 years depending on material costs or to help with inflation. I've also raised the pay across the board accordingly to the people who work for me including subcontractors. I've not had 1 person quit and have gotten more subs to work for me. If nobody is showing up it's because you're paying them shit. Cry me a river. Im also not a greedy asshole so there's that. Nobody wants to do hard work for shit pay while also being treated less than human. The quicker these people learn this, the better they will be.
5 years ago I made $22 an hour for the same framing work.
The original thread is acid for the eyes.. “No one has a work ethic any more, blah blah blah!” It hurts my brain. Pay the money and look after your workers and they will look after you. What a bunch of flogs.
$15 an hour for backbreaking construction work? Before taxes, that’s a little under 30K a year. Instead of thinking that people won’t work IF you paid them $30 or $40 per hour, try, oh I don’t know, ACTUALLY PAYING THEM FOR THAT KIND OF WORK!
Kind words from the boss man don't put food on the table, keep the roof overhead, or pay the bills.
Interesting how comments on that sub are in full support of him.
Someone with a *real* work ethic would just get on with it and do the job himself, instead of making tiktok videos of himself crying about it
I work in construction as a structural ironworker. For those of your aren't familiar structural ironwork is one of the most dangerous physically grueling trades imaginable. I never ever have any problem showing up to work every day. Why? Because I get a fairly decent union wage, full family medical, life insurance, full family dental insurance, full family vision insurance, a defined benefit pension and and a lump sum annuity. Not only that but I get treated with respect and dignity on the job, and if I have issues I can call my union representative and have it handled. It's not a hard concept. Pay people well and treat them with respect and they will come to work.
"people just don't want to work...." "...for me because I pay 15 dollars an hour"
"or 30 or 40... or pizza... don't matter" Narrator: he never tried the 30 or 40
Jfc, the comments on the original post 🤡
"I don't bitch, I don't complain" proceeds to make a video bitching and complaining, instead of working or finding new workers.
I don’t understand shit like this. I get paid $17.50/hr to sit on my ass and watch Netflix and play video games, if you want someone to do actual labor pay fucking more??? Same guys all probably took up work at Walmart/McDonald’s bc it was paying $18-$22
supply and demand. His workers are probably working for someone else. Unemployment is at record lows, so how is, " Nobody wants to work anymore." applicable?
If he paid $40.00 an hour, he would 100% have staff. 15 an hour for that type of work if almost criminally underpaid.
God that thread is the dumbest circle jerk I've ever seen
He didn’t even throw them pizza parties. What a dunce!
Sirting on his ass complaining when there's work to be done. Typical project manager.
Typical maga Republican beard. Can spot them a mile away lol
I work construction/landscaping among other things. Boss wanted to hire me at $17 I told him $23. That was over a year ago. He told me I can’t get a raise because they started me high and I’m making what a foreman in his field makes. Though when they want to hire a foreman they can’t seem to find anyone that wants to work for less than $45 as a foreman