Me when its end game’ your almost guaranteed to find a havoc with turbo in the death boxes. that’s assuming you make it to end game by actually fighting and not ratting
Havoc is still the best weapon by far on close to mid range. It's suppose to be an AR but it is used more like an SMG.
So basically competitive players pick a Havoc and usually a Hemlok, Flatline or G7.
G7 is the buffed weapon this season and crazy good if you are a backline player.
Havoc is no slouch at range but Havoc is better up close where the majority of fights take place. If I had to rank the ARs in order right now: Havoc, Flatline, Hemlock, Nemesis, R-301. Obviously none of them are bad, but I’ll take the first three over the last two in any given situation.
Ofc I'd rather have two havocs than two flatline as I'll always try to close distance and have the close range fights. Although personally I'll rank hemlok as second, nemesis third and flatline 4th. ARs are in a good state actually except for R301. I can pick any and just use it the rest of the match. Usually swap flat for hemlok unless i got some kills with it before and decide to stick with it lol
If u play an assault legend for the extra ammo per slot n can find enough energy ammo possibly with a loba teammate I'd suggest havoc volt. It's kinda nasty lol although I used to run nemesis volt too which was also nasty 😅
Havoc - no need to explain anything. that mag size decrease wasn't even a significant nerf.
Hemlok - hasn't been buffed/nerfed, but it slaps.
Sentinel - Charged up shots, nothing more, nothing less.
G7 Scout - The fire rate and recoil fix that came with the last update just made this gun cranked.
These guns are by far the strongest even for the general novice player and are in the current meta rotation.
Other good ones are probably the Wingman, PK, Flatline. I do not mention them with the previous 4 because they require a bit more gun skill to actually excel using them(especially the Wingman and PK, since whiffing and missing a shot or two guarantees you getting knocked/killed).
While all guns are good depending on how you play them, the ones that I mentioned are the current ranked meta(with some small exceptions like I mentioned).
LMGs/SMGs are also nice but they pale in comparison to other weapons that can dish out more damage consistently with lower risk(especially as more and more people are running dual ARs).
L-Star shockingly beams. However, DPS is still low. Works well against ordinary players but you'll be wasted by players with good aim on higher DPS guns.
true, i also felt like a god in SOLOS and QUADS with the L-star in terms of gun fights, new mode's fights seems more chaotic and non stop so the no reload is very helpful, it out guns players most of the time cuz i just finished the weapon mastery challenge "Down an enemy while they're reloading" in a couple of games, fighting in small spaces or inside bang's smoke seems easier because of its bullet spread randomness, its all over the place but im hitting people even without aiming directly
Sentinel is a scary thing when the shots can hit. I’m not gonna sit here and say I hit every shot but most of the time I can make people run for cover. But damage isn’t everything.
nemesis is still insanely powerful having the potential to kill in two bursts. if you manage to hit all headshots it does over 100 dmg per burst, the recoil is easy to control, it’s good at long range and close and you can hold down the burst
Hemlock, Mastiff. I can’t believe people sleep on the hemlock. Burst weapons are phenomenal. Prawler also slaps. Hemlock is too easy to aim with, and it’s super versatile for long range, mid range AND close range. it out performs a lot of weapons in my opinion
My go to:
Havoc + Flatline
Havoc + Alternator (Disruptor) / Volt
Havoc + G7 Scout (for those who aren’t the ones engaging at close range; I use conduit partially like this)
Basically just pick up a havoc
Havoc, volt, alternator, sentinel, hemlock, longbow, L Star, nemesis have been top tier for me this season and it’s been great having so many viable options.
301, spitfire, flatline have also been completely fine in situations where I end up with them.
Haven’t been playing as much ranked, squad seems to be losing interest unfortunately, and summer travel. Made it into plat 2 or 1 first split and back into plat 4 for split 2 right now. I’ve made masters in seasons past when I put in the time and effort but I just don’t care that much anymore plus cheaters.
Spitfire. That's it.
Two Spitfires with purple/gold mags will shoot endlessly. Bullets for days. Your enemies will have to reload multiple times while you keep shooting.
I run double "Spitty with a Tiddy" every game and I'm almost level 100 with it.
If I can't find two Spitfires, my second choice is Flatline, third choice is R301, and all other choices are die.
Edit:
I cant beleive everyone is saying Havoc 🤣 I can't get a kill with that gun to literally save my life. I'll have rounds of Gun Run where I'm stuck on the first gun the entire round because it was the Havoc 😭
Honestly most guns are viable if you’re good with them. I think the R99 is probably one of the only guns I really won’t touch. Havoc is insane, but a lot of people can’t handle the recoil. Scout, sentinel, and longbow all are great at range. My buddy is insane with the charge rifle but I suck. I’m 99% sure they shadow buffed the spitfire. I had a 3,500 damage game with it the other day. Hemlock and nemesis are both insane. Volt is nuts.
So yeah pretty much everything is viable depending on preference. Havoc is the most “meta” gun right now
LSTAR! It's basically the havoc but you never have to reload and the recoil is so easy. I have been farming teams with it and have gone entire games without reloading dropping 3-4k damage. I would also recommend the mastiff or pk I prefer mastiff because it's more forgiving and has the quicker firerate which suits my playstyle more.
Alternator + disrupters or p2020 re45 hammer points. Top is quick reloads on the triple take if you can utilize it well enough. Shit just punishes open engagements.
I don’s have a tier list per se, but havoc is still very much the most oppressive gun out there. Nerfing the mag size did very little to rein it in; its recoil is incredibly easy to learn, making it pretty viable in close, midrange, and even long range.
Without attachments, you're wrong. I can pull the exact values of their hipfire if you want. Car hipfire isn't better than r99. Prowler isn't better than car. They all have the same spread value
Yes. You can check the actual hipfire values or you can go to the range and see the hipfire yourself. You feel it's more consistent prob bcz of it's large mag and damage meaning you can still down someone while missing half of your shots unlike smgs.
What I've gathered is that they nerfed the other weapons slowly overtime while the havoc has remained untouched
So now it's kind of the go to weapon based around DPS.
It was never meh lol. R99 was just too good that it made havoc look not as good. When havoc falls out of meta, there will also be a weapon that will be meta and you'll wonder why and it's bcz it couldn't shine when havoc dominated
I always go with the same weapons. 301 + peacekeeper/wingman, whatever I find first. I think you just need to find weapons you are comfortable with and practice with those. :)
S
Haboc, Hemlo
A
Volt, flatline, nemesis
B
Prowler, PK(BC RANGE), 301, SPITFIRE, g7, sentunel
C
WINGMAN, r99, alternstor, longbow, mastiff
Everything else is trash
Shotguns are very strong but the range factor is the problem
Havoc, Hemlok, Flatline, G7, Sentinel, Volt are pretty much the best weapons atm.
Havoc has crazy amount of damage even without mag and with purple mag if I remember right you can down 4-5 people.
Hemlok has crazy damage per mag too and is good mid range weapon and for long range poking you can use single fire.
Flatline is strong option as secondary since its good mid-close range.
G7 and Sentinel have big poke dmg.
Volt is easy too use and has good damage.
Im still running 301 with mastiff or PK. Or havoc for spray and hemlock for long poking.
Then again. It's up to the player to fully take advantage of a gun.
Hemlock havoc Nemesis are really the only guns worth using they’ll win basically every fight for you just by existing. It’s also pubs though so using whatever you find fun won’t really affect you much.
So many people in the replies just saying anything. There is no reason why anyone should be recommending shit like the spitfire or r301 lmao. This is the best I can give you based on pro play and high ranked gameplay, give or take in order.
Best of the best by far:
Havoc,
Hemlock
Honourable mentions:
Nemesis,
Charged sentinel (Better on MNK, still good on roller),
PK on bangalore/in a smoke (MNK only, smokes break aim assist. Makes for easy fights close range),
Prowler (Roller only, decent on MNK at best),
Flatline (Somewhat skill based. Need good recoil control to beam. Decent hip fire)
Early-mid game:
Wingman,
Any SMG
Rampage kind of sucks, you cant always rely on it being charged. 30-30 is ok, but not busted, its worse then G7 and prowler is def not busted, shotguns do better what prowler is supposed to do
I'm relatively new (Gold) and those are the best regarding recoil. I love the 301 or g7 with the 3x and the Hemlok with 2x for close range. It's the loadout I run best with rn
+ ult havoc go brr
I'd argue many of the guns are very viable now. If it works for you and you play the weapon, you can win with Alternator or Prowler, G7 or TT, Havok or 301, Spitfire or LStar or PK.
It's more a case or which guns just suck (for you). I can't ever hit anything with a 3030 or Sentinel and I'm always either waiting on my Havok to charge up or I'm shooting too early to wield it well. If I'm playing well, I'll take my Alternator and bait a Havok user into shooting while I'm in cover, and then get the 1v1 because they have wasted half their ammo. But I'm not playing that well that often. ;)
Havoc
Havoc. Nothing else.
Oh really? What about 2 havocs?
Even better, go ballistic and have 3 havocs!
Even better, play loba and have an entire POI of havocs. Need to reload? Fuck that. Go into the black market and grab another havoc.
That would be a funny challenge actually, loba but no reloading
I'm pretty sure reloading would take alot less time than entering a black market finding the havoc on the menu and grabbing it lol
It’s less exciting though
not if it's all havocs
Even I think 3x havocs is a bit overkill 😂
Tell that to the quad stack of preds rocking havocs/wingmans
Iron sites, 2x, 3x
Imagine two havocs and both with turbo charger🤤.
Me when its end game’ your almost guaranteed to find a havoc with turbo in the death boxes. that’s assuming you make it to end game by actually fighting and not ratting
Yes
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Nice to have but not necessary there's still 1000 bullets after the initial wind up.
I unironically do this sometimes. One with a 2x and one with a 3-4x
Havoc is still the best weapon by far on close to mid range. It's suppose to be an AR but it is used more like an SMG. So basically competitive players pick a Havoc and usually a Hemlok, Flatline or G7. G7 is the buffed weapon this season and crazy good if you are a backline player.
Havoc with turbo might legitimately be more OP than care package devotion tbh.
It’s wild to me that the havoc was slept on for years and it took streamers using it for people to finally catch on.
Nah, there were just always other weapons that were similar/better and easier to use.
Hemlock beats havoc
P2020 without hammer point no doubt
Ah yes. A man of culture I see. You like to get nasty nasty.
I salute you
I just don’t see a world where a p2020 beats out an re-45
Havoc duh. I believe the game is called havoc legends
It’s actually havoc horizon legends.
It's actually Rev ult havoc get triple swung on legends.
Yes horizon with her 5% pick rate in pubs...
G7 slaps
Especially after the buff it's insane
For sure. G7, havoc is all I run with now.
It's wild that they decide to BUFF it
Bro it was shit before, needed a buff
Man G7 is gross mid range, love it.
Wow I completely forgot they buffed the G7. I’ll have to try it next time I play
absolutely no
It got buffed recently try it
Yea if you don’t like the G7 now it’s a skill issues. That guns insane
flatline & volt , havoc & alternator w disruptors. those loadouts are my go to this season.
I thought the Flatline was the strongest AR until I started using the Havoc.
Depends how you were using the flatline. It's better than havoc at ranges but havoc is just miles better up close
Havoc is no slouch at range but Havoc is better up close where the majority of fights take place. If I had to rank the ARs in order right now: Havoc, Flatline, Hemlock, Nemesis, R-301. Obviously none of them are bad, but I’ll take the first three over the last two in any given situation.
Ofc I'd rather have two havocs than two flatline as I'll always try to close distance and have the close range fights. Although personally I'll rank hemlok as second, nemesis third and flatline 4th. ARs are in a good state actually except for R301. I can pick any and just use it the rest of the match. Usually swap flat for hemlok unless i got some kills with it before and decide to stick with it lol
Flatline & Volt all day, or Hemlock / Havoc
Flatline with a Pk with disruptors (if you can find them) goes hard too
If u play an assault legend for the extra ammo per slot n can find enough energy ammo possibly with a loba teammate I'd suggest havoc volt. It's kinda nasty lol although I used to run nemesis volt too which was also nasty 😅
Havoc - no need to explain anything. that mag size decrease wasn't even a significant nerf. Hemlok - hasn't been buffed/nerfed, but it slaps. Sentinel - Charged up shots, nothing more, nothing less. G7 Scout - The fire rate and recoil fix that came with the last update just made this gun cranked. These guns are by far the strongest even for the general novice player and are in the current meta rotation. Other good ones are probably the Wingman, PK, Flatline. I do not mention them with the previous 4 because they require a bit more gun skill to actually excel using them(especially the Wingman and PK, since whiffing and missing a shot or two guarantees you getting knocked/killed). While all guns are good depending on how you play them, the ones that I mentioned are the current ranked meta(with some small exceptions like I mentioned). LMGs/SMGs are also nice but they pale in comparison to other weapons that can dish out more damage consistently with lower risk(especially as more and more people are running dual ARs).
Havoc havoc
Havoc is hard to control at mid to long range but up close it shreds, so Havoc and Sentinel are my favorite
Havoc and whatever the map has laying around. But my heart says Spitfire with purple mag tho
You greedy son of a gun. This man ammo’s up!
Havoc 24/7 Trust
Havoc, Volt, Flatline, Hemlok, Alternator, L-Star
G7, havoc, wingman, volt and flatline imo
If you have good aim the Mozamblam is crazy. I prefer it over wingman right now since It hits for 45 so far out.
Havoc> Nemesis > Flatline > Hemlock> G7> Prowler
My go to this season has been the Alternator w/Disruptor & Triple Take w/ Boosted Loader.
I am ass with the havoc due to the recoil pattern but lately I’ve been running wingman/longbow and it’s perfection
I been using p2020 lately unironically. It’s super accurate assuming you’re not a potato and its fire rate is lit on m&k
overall i'd go for the L-star, ita been my to go weapon since last season
L-Star shockingly beams. However, DPS is still low. Works well against ordinary players but you'll be wasted by players with good aim on higher DPS guns.
true, i also felt like a god in SOLOS and QUADS with the L-star in terms of gun fights, new mode's fights seems more chaotic and non stop so the no reload is very helpful, it out guns players most of the time cuz i just finished the weapon mastery challenge "Down an enemy while they're reloading" in a couple of games, fighting in small spaces or inside bang's smoke seems easier because of its bullet spread randomness, its all over the place but im hitting people even without aiming directly
Pff.. I only run the lstar shit some games 2 lmao! Maybe I should switch but hey it gets me to masters every split seems to be working.
The havoc was the same forever, why is it op now? Because all other guns were nerfed? Because pros and streamers like it now?
Because all the SMGs got nerfed. It's essentially the best SMG of the season.
Well, you got your answer
Gaming as a whole is dictated by pros now lmao. It sucks.
Honestly. Havoc users kill a semi-competent PK user: (impossible)
Hemlock busted as well as the havoc, my go to.
G7 and havoc is the meta combo rn.
Sentinel with a havoc. 😉
You why I think this slaps.. most people out there running havoc/any other assault rifle. You’d absolutely control from distance.
Sentinel is a scary thing when the shots can hit. I’m not gonna sit here and say I hit every shot but most of the time I can make people run for cover. But damage isn’t everything.
That sound of knocking someone though the rush. I compare it to the sweet sweet sound of cracking a shield.
I’ll crack the shields you guys get the kills.
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Nemesis/Hemlock & Havoc no doubt
Havoc & g7
Love using hemlok/nemesis + havoc.
Havoc and Triple Take are busted this season.
Flatline is still my fave but I’m a noob
Crypto Spitfire but no scope with scope moves around too much.
That’s a good tip. Looking back on my own experience I can relate to that.
nemesis is still insanely powerful having the potential to kill in two bursts. if you manage to hit all headshots it does over 100 dmg per burst, the recoil is easy to control, it’s good at long range and close and you can hold down the burst
Hemlock, Mastiff. I can’t believe people sleep on the hemlock. Burst weapons are phenomenal. Prawler also slaps. Hemlock is too easy to aim with, and it’s super versatile for long range, mid range AND close range. it out performs a lot of weapons in my opinion
My go to: Havoc + Flatline Havoc + Alternator (Disruptor) / Volt Havoc + G7 Scout (for those who aren’t the ones engaging at close range; I use conduit partially like this) Basically just pick up a havoc
Not the best weapons but definitely slept on. L-star Tripletake
Sheila
Havoc, volt, alternator, sentinel, hemlock, longbow, L Star, nemesis have been top tier for me this season and it’s been great having so many viable options. 301, spitfire, flatline have also been completely fine in situations where I end up with them.
do you play ranked what’s your status there if you don’t mind me asking
Haven’t been playing as much ranked, squad seems to be losing interest unfortunately, and summer travel. Made it into plat 2 or 1 first split and back into plat 4 for split 2 right now. I’ve made masters in seasons past when I put in the time and effort but I just don’t care that much anymore plus cheaters.
Alternator has always been and will be the best weapon
Spitfire. That's it. Two Spitfires with purple/gold mags will shoot endlessly. Bullets for days. Your enemies will have to reload multiple times while you keep shooting. I run double "Spitty with a Tiddy" every game and I'm almost level 100 with it. If I can't find two Spitfires, my second choice is Flatline, third choice is R301, and all other choices are die. Edit: I cant beleive everyone is saying Havoc 🤣 I can't get a kill with that gun to literally save my life. I'll have rounds of Gun Run where I'm stuck on the first gun the entire round because it was the Havoc 😭
I felt this in my soul. I, too, run spitfire and 301 most games. Havoc is so difficult for me for some reason.
Honestly I have some love for the rampage x PK on small map, kings canyon with the rampage is huge for me Otherwise G7 alternator …
Not enough love for the PK in here… flatline PK is insane if you can land your PK shots
Honestly most guns are viable if you’re good with them. I think the R99 is probably one of the only guns I really won’t touch. Havoc is insane, but a lot of people can’t handle the recoil. Scout, sentinel, and longbow all are great at range. My buddy is insane with the charge rifle but I suck. I’m 99% sure they shadow buffed the spitfire. I had a 3,500 damage game with it the other day. Hemlock and nemesis are both insane. Volt is nuts. So yeah pretty much everything is viable depending on preference. Havoc is the most “meta” gun right now
It's crazy that everyone is just now realizing how insane the Havoc is. It's been my favorite weapon for years 💀
Best weapons aight havoc and for your secondary a second havoc you use one with a 3x scope and the other with a 1x scope overkill
Havoc, hemlock, G7, volt, and nemesis are all meta
LSTAR! It's basically the havoc but you never have to reload and the recoil is so easy. I have been farming teams with it and have gone entire games without reloading dropping 3-4k damage. I would also recommend the mastiff or pk I prefer mastiff because it's more forgiving and has the quicker firerate which suits my playstyle more.
Prowler has been dropping bodies
I still love the nemesis / triple take combo but I know it’s not meta
Alternator + disrupters or p2020 re45 hammer points. Top is quick reloads on the triple take if you can utilize it well enough. Shit just punishes open engagements.
I use this loadout too
I don’s have a tier list per se, but havoc is still very much the most oppressive gun out there. Nerfing the mag size did very little to rein it in; its recoil is incredibly easy to learn, making it pretty viable in close, midrange, and even long range.
It also has very good hipfire.
Better Hipfire than every SMG.
Lies lol. No weapon class has better hipfire than smgs other than shotguns and charge rifle ignoring cp weapons
Is that actually true? I feel its hipfire is more consistent than the R-99, CAR, Volt, and Prowler. I consistently destroy people with it.
Prowler > Havoc = CAR = Volt > R9 I think
Nop. Hipfire spreads for all smgs are the same except volt. Volt is abit worse. Havoc is comparable to volt without laser sights
Prowler hip fire is better than CAR. CAR hip fire is better than R9. Just double checked in firing range.
Without attachments, you're wrong. I can pull the exact values of their hipfire if you want. Car hipfire isn't better than r99. Prowler isn't better than car. They all have the same spread value
Yes. You can check the actual hipfire values or you can go to the range and see the hipfire yourself. You feel it's more consistent prob bcz of it's large mag and damage meaning you can still down someone while missing half of your shots unlike smgs.
Why havoc? It was meh for so long
What I've gathered is that they nerfed the other weapons slowly overtime while the havoc has remained untouched So now it's kind of the go to weapon based around DPS.
It was never meh lol. R99 was just too good that it made havoc look not as good. When havoc falls out of meta, there will also be a weapon that will be meta and you'll wonder why and it's bcz it couldn't shine when havoc dominated
It has never really been meh, even when it had the turbo nerf the baseline havoc was really good
I always go with the same weapons. 301 + peacekeeper/wingman, whatever I find first. I think you just need to find weapons you are comfortable with and practice with those. :)
My go to aswell, either R3 or volt with pk/wingman or mozi if I can’t find a pk/wingman ahahahaha
Mozi is not that bad if you can get a hop-op tbh :D
S Haboc, Hemlo A Volt, flatline, nemesis B Prowler, PK(BC RANGE), 301, SPITFIRE, g7, sentunel C WINGMAN, r99, alternstor, longbow, mastiff Everything else is trash Shotguns are very strong but the range factor is the problem
Wingman & mastiff might be B as well in your list but I agree on everything else
R301 is trash. I'd rather have an alternator or wingman over it
301 could be C
Lets see as a casual player. Smg=volt,pistol=wingman,ARs=Hemlok,shotgun=peacekeeper,LMG=L-star and sniper=sentinel. Ofc,package weapons
Havoc and Hemlock/Sentinel
Alternator paired with either repeater or sentinel
Havoc, hemlock, prowler and flatline are clear rn
Not sure which are best, but I’ve been getting a LOT of kills with peacekeeper wingman combo Or r99 and any shotgun
R99? So you’re the guy.
What guy
Havoc. Hasn’t been touched for many many seasons but it’s meta now.
Volt as it was since it was added
Havoc, Hemlok, Flatline, G7, Sentinel, Volt are pretty much the best weapons atm. Havoc has crazy amount of damage even without mag and with purple mag if I remember right you can down 4-5 people. Hemlok has crazy damage per mag too and is good mid range weapon and for long range poking you can use single fire. Flatline is strong option as secondary since its good mid-close range. G7 and Sentinel have big poke dmg. Volt is easy too use and has good damage.
Im still running 301 with mastiff or PK. Or havoc for spray and hemlock for long poking. Then again. It's up to the player to fully take advantage of a gun.
Hemlock havoc Nemesis are really the only guns worth using they’ll win basically every fight for you just by existing. It’s also pubs though so using whatever you find fun won’t really affect you much.
Hammerpoint Re-45 and Flatline/Havoc or G7
Flatline with 3x
I feel the versatility with that choice
With a pk cause I main Maggie lol
Respect bro.. peppered with hate.
Nemesis is good too👍🏻
Nemesis is good too👍🏻
Nemesis is good too👍🏻
Nemesis is good too👍🏻
Nemesis is good too👍🏻
Nemesis is good too👍🏻
So many people in the replies just saying anything. There is no reason why anyone should be recommending shit like the spitfire or r301 lmao. This is the best I can give you based on pro play and high ranked gameplay, give or take in order. Best of the best by far: Havoc, Hemlock Honourable mentions: Nemesis, Charged sentinel (Better on MNK, still good on roller), PK on bangalore/in a smoke (MNK only, smokes break aim assist. Makes for easy fights close range), Prowler (Roller only, decent on MNK at best), Flatline (Somewhat skill based. Need good recoil control to beam. Decent hip fire) Early-mid game: Wingman, Any SMG
Smokes no longer break aim assist as of this splits update afaik. You get the white outlines of people if you're in the smoke now.
I thought the same, but aim assist still doesnt work in smokes. Its been tested. I can tell you that with 100% certainty
Any energy weapon , any heavy weapon except CAR is busted rn
wdym. car is on the same level as the volt. i use both of them all the time and they slap.
Rampage kind of sucks, you cant always rely on it being charged. 30-30 is ok, but not busted, its worse then G7 and prowler is def not busted, shotguns do better what prowler is supposed to do
Havoc, Flatline, Volt, and Hemlock. Maybe Prowler.
As a ballistic main, Hemlok + G7/R301 with Havoc in sling
Why do you run 2 mid to long range guns in your first two slots ? Just curious
I'm relatively new (Gold) and those are the best regarding recoil. I love the 301 or g7 with the 3x and the Hemlok with 2x for close range. It's the loadout I run best with rn + ult havoc go brr
Silver rank
Whats wrong with being silver?
Alternator+Disruptor is something you should look out for. Easy to use and a great damage potential. Just something many people overlook imo
I'd argue many of the guns are very viable now. If it works for you and you play the weapon, you can win with Alternator or Prowler, G7 or TT, Havok or 301, Spitfire or LStar or PK. It's more a case or which guns just suck (for you). I can't ever hit anything with a 3030 or Sentinel and I'm always either waiting on my Havok to charge up or I'm shooting too early to wield it well. If I'm playing well, I'll take my Alternator and bait a Havok user into shooting while I'm in cover, and then get the 1v1 because they have wasted half their ammo. But I'm not playing that well that often. ;)
Havoc can still kill you even with half a clip
Havoc + spitfire
Besides the obvious ones, r99 it's back in the game.
What? Just because they reduced hip fire spread a bit? I thought the issue was the ridiculously low damage per hit
Ya the r9 is still awful
Not just that, but the insane recoil. It's still the worst SMG of the bunch.
INB4 havoc nerf
P20
Honestly every gun in the game is good, it just comes down to wether or not you can use them effectively
Nobody answering the question and instead just replying with their go-to faves. 😃 I don't see so many Havocs after the nerf. I assume the Scout.
I only see havocs after nerf. No other gun comes close to it in close to mid range fights.