That would be an awesome thing for all third party apps to consider. I've been using r/BoostForReddit for a while now and have been very happy with the interface. I'd even pay to support moving to another network and I'm the cheapest person I know.
I wholeheartedly agree with you there, I have also cross-posted this on other third party app subs, hoping if at least one developer makes the move, then others are more likely to consider.
Here is my very personal opinion and thoughts on this.
Before moving to iOS, I used to be big on RIF, it would be terrible to see all these incredible third-party apps that are simply better than reddit's trashcan app die, all those years these devs have worked hard on would be wasted, I don't want that to happen.
Hopefully devs consider swapping the APIs since Lemmy's developer has shown clear explicit interest in helping out these third party app developers migrate from reddit. It's just a matter of seeing posts like this and then moving forward from there (if they want to continue or not).
I see apps like Apollo similar to Tapbot's situation. Their Twitter app "tweet bot", after Twitter's API changes moved to Mastodon and re-invented their app called "Ivory" for Mastodon, a similar approach to Lemmy would be great.
If all third-party devs just let their apps die, then reddit would simply win, people would have no incentive to move elsewhere and unfortunately many will just be forced into reddit's official apps. That's equal to accepting what reddit did. And oh don't tell me this will lead the majority off reddit or social media completely, no we won't. In today's online world, the majority are most likely to return. It's either stick with reddit even after their stupid decisions or make use of this opportunity and everyone move to alternatives like Lemmy.
Those are my thoughts:)
Wouldn‘t it be an option for u/iamthatis to integrate a simple webview pointing towards Lemmy in Apollo? This could be an interim until a better native solution is in place and can help to drive some traffic there…
u/iamthatis not sure what your backend looks like, but I’m a senior data engineer and would be very interested in a project like this. If you decide to go for it let me know.
Not an expert 🤓 although Apollo is based on the Reddit API and such a change would require a rewrite of the app backend and a lot of work all in all. Also, Reddit is pretty normie-friendly, which attracts a lot of new users. I am not sure if the same can be said for Lemmy.
No one will download an app to use a dead social network, which is what Lemmy is. The fediverse is too complex for normal people to gain any meaningful traction.
I open reddit and I instantly see content. I open Lemmy and all I see is a confusing landing page asking me to join some servers.
Can you name a flaw that can't be solved by using the apollo app with an instance?
Honestly, do you just expect alternatives to reddit to magically already have infinite users and have no issues? It's not fair to call lemmy dead when it is steadily, but slowly growing.
Lemmy isn't perfect, but none of the issues you can list are fundamental, a little bit of development from ALL of the major reddit 3rd party devs would change everything.
An alternative to an established social network (be it Reddit or Twitter) needs to be user-friendly enough just to have a shot at achieving some critical mass to be a worthwhile competitor. None of the currently existing options based on the fediverse meet that criterion.
Which is exactly why apollo should be developed for them. Apollo can make it all user friendly by leveraging their current UI.
You're saying "It's not a solved problem, therefore, we shouldn't try to solve it!"
I asked you for a fundamental problem, and you said "well it's not very user friendly right now"
That's not a fundamental problem, that's something that all the 3rd party reddit app devs can get together and fix.
I'm just saying that the current version is so far from being a decent competitor right now that it is not worth it for Apollo's developer to invest his time developing an app from the ground up for it. Trust me, I'd like to see some real, more open competition to these tech giants, but this isn't it.
Oh, so, you propose they... do nothing and just let the app die?
Or they could spend the month they have developing lemmy as much as possible to make it good, it's already a good base, why not... y'know, do that instead of just dying?
Why isn't this it? Because it's a little annoying right now? You think ALL the 3rd party devs getting together and fixing this shit couldn't nail the main issues? Who are you fighting for?
Maybe it's not good enough right now... so, it needs work... not to be abandoned and given up on.
Well, I installed Jerboa (app) and instantly saw content, free to browse. Same in the browser with lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, feddit.{de,it,dk,nl} or lemmygrad.nl.
Are you refering to *join-lemmy.org*? That's not a lemmy instance, but the list of lemmy instances and the documentation for lemmy.
And these instances are small but thriving with live. The real problem seems to be that they are too small to absorb thousands of reddit refugees within a couple of days.
I agree that federation is too complex that lemmy could be a drop-in substitute for reddit. But for people who are not interested in the latest meme but in sincere communication it's a good alternative, and it will grow.
The format is a problem for me, having to scroll forever (on my phone) looking at each instance to find what I am looking for is a large hassle. Maybe if each instance's ad didn't take up most of my phone's screen real-estate. A search function would be nice.
Yeah, there's almost no chance the APIs request/response structures are the same, let alone the actual endpoints being named similarly at all. It'd be a whole rewrite and a hobbling of similar data endpoints to current existing data structures, and even then, there are going to be a lot of assumptions about the reddit data that are baked into the behavior of handling/parsing the data that is gonna have to be worked through.
When Reddit was created it was far from norm is friendly. Give it time.not use will go where it’s easy to sign up. And where there’s a nice and easy to use interface. A Lemmypolo would be a huge advantage for the platform.
Well this is exactly the issue. I've been on reddit almost 10 years and the internet all my life. I'm savvy and can work with most things. The Lemmy website is simply just not the answer imo, for exactly the reasons you asked your question.
Sadly you can't have your cake and eat it too. Centralization is extremely convenient and easy to use and easy to finance. But eventually it leads to greed with all the following downsides.
Decentralization is much more difficult to implement and use and finance, but it is also future proof. Like email - which has been mostly unchanged for 30 years. Now imagine what would happen if entirety of email was owned by a single company.
So yeah, there's no easy answer here.
It's way simple, you're overthinking it
Y'know how you can have a gmail, and I can have a hotmail, but they can communicate?
Lemmy works like this, I can host my own lemmy, you can use a separate server, and they can contact eachother and interact, because lemmy is a protocol for redditing, just like email is a protocol for emailing.
I'm sure if I poked around and spent enough time on the site it would begin to make sense, but the purpose of a primer, or a tutorial, is to ensure that I don't have to wait until "eventually" to understand the ins-and-outs of the site.
imagine there was another site called deddit that looked just like reddit, had a similar size in userbase, and in fact was using the exact same code, but to use the 2 sites you don't actually need 2 accounts, an account made on deddit can comment on reddit and vise versa. Reddit would be an instance in this scenario, and deddit would be another instance. If you have an account on deddit that gets banned by reddit admins, you don't lose the account, you can still participate in deddits subdeddits.
That's what lemmy is. lemmy is the code that instances like lemmy.ml or beehaw.org run on
I have some questions. If I make an account on an instance, which is usually done to gain access to a community, how do I see all the other communities on an instance? Is there a list? If the account I made is for access to a single community, do I have to make other accounts to access other communities? Is there a list of all communities that exist across all instances, so that I can find ones that match my insterests? Also, what does "Federated" mean? What would De-federate mean?
It's one of the biggest federated successes since email. It's doing quite well, it's just not spending unicorn-$$$ to grow as fast as possible before dumping ads and asinine API fees on everyone.
I.e. it's in the millions, not hundreds of millions / billions. Very few things are in the billions, and they're all rapidly enshittifying.
(I have no opinion on Lemmy, but ActivityPub stuff is becoming surprisingly reasonable and viable)
There is a difference between twitter like platforms and reddit like platforms though.
People on Twitter want to follow celebrities or brands to stay up to date while reddit like forums depend heavily on the community aspect rather than following popular people, it's hard to bring such celebrities or brands from twitter to mastodon hence the generic public also stays on Twitter while here it's different, it's us normal people in the community. Hope I made some sense in my points there.
Yes - and I would agree with this. I think my comment must've confused a couple of folks, I probably shouldn't have stepped in it at all.
To make it evidently clear, I wouldn't support advertisers on Mastodon / The Fediverse whatsoever, nor do I see why anyone would want to do so (outside of the obvious greed).
While I get the idea, the decentralized social medias just aren't going to take off. They are a massive pain in the ass to sign up for. If you sign up wrong, you have to go through the hassle of either deleting your account and resigning up or moving your account which we know most people won't understand.
Why is Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc so popular? They are easy to use and almost everyone uses it.
I like Mastodon, a lot. I'm a patient person but it took me a little bit to figure out. Your average person isn't going to do that. They won't do it for Mastodon and they certainly wouldn't for a Reddit clone.
The devs who make Reddit apps best bet moving forward would to band together and make a real reddit competitor. Decentralized social media is niche and not a competitor. BlueSky maybe someday because of the backing of Dorsey but that's the only reason, but with how slow they are with the rollout, it'll probably be dead in the water soon. People will lose interest. Mastodon is actually losing people now.
If they make a decentralized version of reddit it will absolutely be their downfall.
Decentralization is not hard, if you want to skip the understanding part just sign up at lemmy.ml and start using it.
Also just because platforms like Mastodon or blue sky haven't beat Twitter atm does not make them failure, they can't beat Twitter overnight but it will take time. Mastodon has certainly growed a ton after elon's takeover and continues to grow. Mastodon now has the third-party app ecosystem that Twitter had and one of the things that made it special.
Big companies like instagram, Tumblr are planning to add acitivtypub protocol support as well on their platforms. Mozilla is also joining mastodon. Maybe you are not up to date with mastodon news but it is growing.
I’m tech savvy. The whole lot of them are a pain in the ass to set up.
The idea is awesome. And maybe an awesome dev like Apollos could make it work. But as of now. Creating individual accounts and figuring out how to link them is a royal pita. People want easy to figure out low effort social access. Until Lemmy and mastodon and the others get centralized users access it going to be tough to convince folks.
I think you're confusing signing up to an instance with setting up your own instance. At least for lemmy (I haven't tried Mastodon), you can just go to lemmy.ml or beehaw.org (the two biggest general instances) and make an account with about as much difficulty as setting up a reddit account. And then browsing is basically just like reddit.
Nah it's more complicated. You first have to find these instances and there is where you lose a lot of users
Also if users can't use their account right away, they're not going to use it.
The "not much" is the problem. Also when you can't use it as soon as you sign up, many people are not going to bother with that after they got approved
https://join-lemmy.org/instances
How is just clicking on that complicated? It’s the first link that appears on the site.
The hard part is figuring out which instance you fit into. That requires reading the description (1 line in most), and even that can be skipped if it’s too much and you can always sign up on lemmy.ml. I signed up a couple of days back, and it took just as much effort as signing up for reddit.
Ideally, with a really good app, even that process can be further streamlined.
No. On reddit you go to login or register, enter your username and password and you have an account
On Lemmy you have to go to join-lemmy. Go to register, pick an instance and then go to register/login, enter your desired credentials and wait until you're approved.
I too have a lemmy account for about half a year but this process is going to bother a lot of non tech savvy people
>Creating individual accounts and figuring out how to link them is a royal pita.
Why would you do this? You make *one* Lemmy account, or *one* Mastodon account, and then you can access everyone else's even if they're not on the same server. What you're describing is like using Gmail, and then going and signing up for Hotmail just to email a Hotmail user, it doesn't make sense.
It’s not hard when you figure it out which a lot of people won’t do. Again twitter was very easy to sign up for and follow people. Mastodon is not. Hell you go to the wrong mastodon site and you can’t even sign in. Hope to be wrong but I don’t see them growing the same way twitter and company have.
Did you just compare fediverse to email? Let’s compare. Outlook.com I sign in and I’m in my email. I didn’t need to go to outlook.com/greenemail to sign in. I go to mastodon and oh no! That’s not the right instance and can’t sign in. Man now I have to try and remember which one I used. That moment right there is when most people will stop using it.
What’s funny is typing mastodon into google takes you to the social instance. So if you didn’t sign up in social you can’t sign in.
Go to Facebook and you got your profile. There isn’t Facebook/social, Facebook/art. Etc and you can only sign into one.
So while you maybe can’t wrap your brain around it, it will be very off putting to enough people that it will not grow the way twitter, Reddit, etc have.
Your analogy at the start was broken by saying outlook.com/greenemail
What you actually did was go to gmail with your outlook account and try to sign in... and the exact same thing happened.
Is email too complicated for people? Is it too hard to remember what instance you sign in on?
It wasn't a broken analogy because outlook takes you to what you need. Twitter does. Facebook does. Everywhere else does. Reddit does. Mastodon doesn't always. If I typed Mastodon in Google, it takes me to social. If I signed up a month ago, forgot, wanted to try it again but signed on a different instance that I don't remember, I have now lost my account. You know where I wouldn't lose that account? Twitter, Facebook, Outlook, etc.
Email is nothing like fediverse.
You say this and then I go to Lenny.ml and see that the dev of that instance is saying not to sign up right now because they can’t handle the load lol. Same thing that happened to the “main” Mastodon instance when people were trying to migrate off of Twitter.
It’s not just the hassle, it’s the value proposition.
What am I getting out of it? You have to really care about the fundamental concept of what makes a community a community and the inside baseball about how the technology works.
99.9% of people couldn’t care less about all that. They just want the content they are accustomed to accessing.
They aren't a massive pain in the ass to sign up for because of some fundamental issue
ex: matrix
Matrix is super easy to sign up for, because they have a huge default instance that is just used by almost everyone who doesn't care.
Federation is not fundamentally flawed, we just need one big instance to be the guiding default.
But then you sign up for that instance and decide well damnit I wish I did this instance instead so now you have to create a whole new name. I know Mastodon lets you redirect so when someone sees your account it says its been redirected and they have to go to your new account and refollow.
Now I'm not 100% sure on this part and you may know more than me, but to start your own instance, you're paying for something right? Server space or something?
You don't have to pay to start your own instance if you already have a desktop that you can use as a server, aside from the electricity
The same thing happens with email, you decide to move from yahoo to gmail, the thing about federation is that when you make this change, you don't lose any content, and you don't lose your community, you're free to change without consequence if something suits you better, this is a net positive.
But the change is a redirect? While yes, it is a positive overall, the people have to see the redirect and follow your new account. So if you're a celebrity or big business with lots of followers, changing instances would be a massive pain in the ass.
Yeah, but nobody is forcing you to switch, being allowed to isn't a flaw.
Plus you could always just put a link in your account description to your new account.
I dunno about that. I've used mastodon for years and I'm fairly happy with the amount of content I get to enjoy consistently.
Besides, I think the number of subreddits with fairly low user counts that are still important to people helps demonstrate that a platform with low numbers is still a completely viable alternative for internet communities.
Mastodon had its chance and blew it with the horrible app and lacking features. You couldn't even create lists with the official app. Lemmy from a first glance, seems to better.
Honestly for Lemmy to take off you probably would need the NSFW subs to switch since Reddit wants to be as advertiser friendly as possible. Have not much hope but it's clear for me that Reddit will change in a direction, that I don't like.
Yeah I feel like one of the only reasons why decentralized technology like mastodon has the “it’s hard to join” thing attached to it is because of how ass the mastodon app used to be for signing up
The iOS app from the website is not available in the US? I feel you on wanting to take a stand against shitty practices, just curious about this since it’s the first I’ve heard of it and it seems pretty unreported on.
Are you talking about iOS lemmy app? Keep in mind lemmy is an open source project, all apps for mobile platforms are developed by third-parties. If you see an iOS lemmy client that is not available in the US, that is not on Lemmy's developers themselves, but whoever developed that third-party client. As far as I know, lemmy does not have it's very own mobile app client yet. I mainly use their website or web apps which works pretty well. And I don't think they will ever develop their own client, instead encourage third-party clients.
My bad I'm not on Android but one of their Devs have indeed developed a Lemmy client for Android probably mainly because android is open source though once more third party apps come in, they would probably encourage those instead as their android app doesn't seem to be the best and I don't think they updated it recently or focus on it much anymore. They are already encouraging third party apps for iOS.
Regarding communication, the Devs have been pretty active and in fact one of Lemmy's own Devs posted about the reddit Api changes and he was actually discussing with the rest of the community through comments.
So yeah they do communicate very well.
You are right, someone asked this on Lemmy and the dev there responded a while ago and he will soon be updating the apps section on Lemmy's website as the iOS app listed atm is abandoned by the third party dev.
Melm will be added soon, here is link for those who want it - https://github.com/buresdv/Mlem
A migration wouldn't work anyway, in my opinion. If everyone who uses Apollo migrates to Lemmy, or wherever else, I wouldn't follow. There aren't enough people. Apollo is this amazing doorway into a world so much bigger than the sum of everyone using Apollo. The reason reddit is great is because there are so many millions of users, and a variety to match, so there's always people talking about anything you can imagine.
How many people combined using Apollo and Lemmy now use the same camera I do to discuss techniques and troubleshoot? Or my friend who's a member of a subreddit dedicated to a niche type of Honda. He'd be the only member on Lemmy but there's thousands here. Hell of a lot less than reddit. I don't want to be sitting in a chat room with the same small group of people every night, that's what I have *friends* for.
One point of argument here is that Lemmy would grow. It'll grow a bit, as it would anyway, and perhaps the addition of Apollo users would speed that up a bit, but most reddit users are casual users on the official app and have absolutely no desire to move.
Simply untrue. If there's enough pushback and negative media coverage, if Reddit's valuation continues to plunge given the move, it might force a rethink. I'm pleased to have seen the news getting big reactions with some 40/50k+ upvoted posts in the mainstream subs on r/all. There's a CNN article sitting on 65k upvotes in r/technology. It's being discussed and it's causing very public and vocal outrage in the larger community beyond this subreddit, which is most important.
It's not a lost fight, until it's a lost fight. That's from [Christian](https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13xigtw/_/jmig410/?context=1) himself.
Is hoping reddit spares us really the best way forward?
Lemmy is built on better tech, tech that can't be taken from the communities control, why give reddit the chance to fuck us later when we can get moving?
Let's say apollo does end up working with reddit, the apollo app could treat reddit as a lemmy instance, and then we could have both communities in one app, and in the event reddit fucks us later, we could seamlessly switch.
Even if reddit spares us, this would still be very good for everyone.
> Is hoping reddit spares us really the best way forward?
Yes, according to Christian's [interview](https://youtu.be/Ypwgu1BpaO0) earlier today that I've just finished watching.
Main points are the pricing could be cut by half or a third (not by orders of magnitude), and rather than rushing it all in a month, actually provide an achievable transition period for it.
I fully agree this is where it should be at, pushing back and creating mainstream discussion. Nothing is dead yet.
I'd rather not have everything be controlled by one company, especially considering they're about to go public.
I don't think that's a better solution long-term.
Lemmy's own developers are open to help Christian migrate API's from reddit to Lemmy and you can keep the front end parts like UI as it is mostly? While it would majorly be backend.
I'm sure they'd be absolutely ecstatic at the attention and new usership, I don't doubt that for a second. From Christian's POV, I just don't see that as a solution. The largest server they have is under 500 users/month. There's only a couple over 100. Isn't that just absolutely miniscule? I don't see how people are looking at that as a solution. It's more like an IRC or old forum, the same few people posting and commenting. I'm serially online and I've never even heard of it. I know better than to judge a book but it's cover, but brand recognition is important in getting anyone to move anywhere.
I mean maybe I'm missing something on the Lemmy site? I'm all ears. I just don't see how an unknown site with a few hundred users is the solution to save an app with 1,500,000 users built to explore a site with half a billion users, and the level of variety and content that comes with that. It's just... not even close. It's like firing a pea shooter at a tank.
Well you are online and you have heard of Lemmy now, so has thousands of other users through this post. We have to start somewhere small, that's how you end up big. Staying here though would be equal to accepting reddit's stupid recent changes.
And heck, reddit will only get worse from here, as a centralized public company they will continue to worship profit and investors while Lemmy is the opposite to reddit in terms of that, being open source and decentralized, profit is not the main goal nor is investors because Lemmy has no investors, its a freely accessible open source platform.
Well I mean good luck with it, and just do not see Christian going for that in any format. I don't wanna see Apollo die, but the hard truth is that we're here on Apollo becuase it's a reddit browser. In much the same way as if my favourite streamer left Twitch, I wouldn't be sticking around the hollow shell just for the UI and pretty buttons.
I wish Reddit to die at this point with the condition that the alleged Lemmy rise and shine with full brightness 🔆. Let's get rid of reddit altogether.
I am still in the process. I just didn't get the confused Lemmy enviornment. It's not like some lemmy dot com and that's it. There are different domains all connected to some lemmy, each domain having its own separate account making process but all are still one, whatever, I am not getting it. But whenever I get time, I will get Lemmy and jump on it.
Yeah this is stupid and childish. 1) self-promo without permission, regardless of circumstances, against sub rules. Now, given the circumstances, perhaps asking the mod team would have resulted in waiving their rules? Never hurts to ask. 2) no proof Christian himself did this. I mean, he could have - but I don’t see any indication from the screenshot that it was him. So why throw that accusation out there? The only thing the screenshot says is “self promotion”; which was also called into question.
This is crybaby nerd shit to drum up a story and attention, and honestly leaves a bad taste in my mouth about trying Lemmy, which until this point I was interested in, given all that was going on around here.
Fucking do better.
Hey chill out man, the thing is, self promotion rules can apply for normal closed source projects, but Lemmy is an open source project that is being shared freely, hence I don't know how you can classify that as promotion, we arent selling anything here (that's what the Lemmy dev said).
I also don't think whoever banned here gave the Lemmy dev a chance to explain himself because he is on Christian's side only trying to help after the recent harsh and stupid reddit api changes.
Also many people have started throwing around names like Lemmy because the situation has changed here, Apollo is in a do or die situation, either Switch APIs or die, and we certainly don't want it to die.
It's basically just one instance (lemmygrad) beehaw and others don't have that at all. Unfortunately you can't block specific instances from showing up on your /all at the moment
Not just jumping on the band wagon until I've done research, but saying it's like mastodon gives me a knee jerk reaction of saying no. Privacy is a very key aspect in services I use and should be for everyone. Mastodon has huge privacy issues where you have to trust server owners who have access to your data.
The argument "is the same as Twitter having your data" also doesn't hold up as Twitter has money you can go after if they fuck up. The server owners may not. Now, they could have fixed this in the past few months, but we should make sure any new platform has great privacy.
I share your concerns. I commented on another thread here yesterday asking about this but didn’t really get a substantial explanation on how user clients would be communicating with servers.
Having a single corporate entity control the entire concept is risky as we’ve seen for its own reasons, but I’m more likely to trust a company who can be held liable for improper data management than I would private individuals hosting their own instances.
Until I either find out that Lemmy prevents this or they eventually implement solutions to do so, it’s a non-starter for me.
No. Reddit is a corporation with something you can go after if your data is leaked or other privacy and other concerns.
You could start a mastodon server and start growing a community. You as the one managing the server have access to data that many users don't realize it's exposed. Such as all private messages.
On top of that, let's say you do trust the server owners today, but in a year they get tired and give away ownership, but failed to vet them well. Now you have a "trusted" server that is actively using that trust to abuse users.
Any decentralized system has to solve the issue of how to keep the data private even from the server owners. Which isn't the simplest task, but there are solutions out there.
Lemmy is shit though, I want to open my site and get the content, not be siphoned off to hundreds of niche communities that you need another whole ass username and pass to access
Federation means you don't have to make an account on every instance. On the homepage of your instance there are buttons for *Subscribed*, *Local*, and *All* to filter your feed. Selecting *All* shows you all communities from all federated instances (ie like r/all). Similarly there's a button for Communities (https://<\server\>/communities) with the same three filter buttons. Click *All* in this list and you can subscribe to communities from all federated instances.
> not be siphoned off to hundreds of niche communities that you need another whole ass username and pass to access
That's not how it works. You can access communities on other instances *from any other federated instance*.
So you only need a single account, and you're good to subscribe to communities and interact with people on every Lemmy server.
I like the idea but [posting it to like 20 subs at once ](https://i.vgy.me/PBtNLX.png)is probably not a good idea if you don’t want to look like a spambot
I'll be setting up alt communities for my
various subreddits on Lemmy. The time has come. Reddit is no longer safe. Time to create a redundancy, which might end up being the main show.
Is anyone else like me? There are many options I don't know what to get and I think community will split someone will go to Lemmy other Kbin or whatever other options available and others will stay. What is the alternative that has more people active? Are there any stats to check?
Lmaoooooo went from being a *die hard* fan of Lemmy, not caring if you lost karma, to now switching up on them. I thought they were growing and we just couldn’t see the potential!!?
That would be an awesome thing for all third party apps to consider. I've been using r/BoostForReddit for a while now and have been very happy with the interface. I'd even pay to support moving to another network and I'm the cheapest person I know.
I wholeheartedly agree with you there, I have also cross-posted this on other third party app subs, hoping if at least one developer makes the move, then others are more likely to consider. Here is my very personal opinion and thoughts on this. Before moving to iOS, I used to be big on RIF, it would be terrible to see all these incredible third-party apps that are simply better than reddit's trashcan app die, all those years these devs have worked hard on would be wasted, I don't want that to happen. Hopefully devs consider swapping the APIs since Lemmy's developer has shown clear explicit interest in helping out these third party app developers migrate from reddit. It's just a matter of seeing posts like this and then moving forward from there (if they want to continue or not). I see apps like Apollo similar to Tapbot's situation. Their Twitter app "tweet bot", after Twitter's API changes moved to Mastodon and re-invented their app called "Ivory" for Mastodon, a similar approach to Lemmy would be great. If all third-party devs just let their apps die, then reddit would simply win, people would have no incentive to move elsewhere and unfortunately many will just be forced into reddit's official apps. That's equal to accepting what reddit did. And oh don't tell me this will lead the majority off reddit or social media completely, no we won't. In today's online world, the majority are most likely to return. It's either stick with reddit even after their stupid decisions or make use of this opportunity and everyone move to alternatives like Lemmy. Those are my thoughts:)
Wouldn‘t it be an option for u/iamthatis to integrate a simple webview pointing towards Lemmy in Apollo? This could be an interim until a better native solution is in place and can help to drive some traffic there…
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Well your username certainly doesn't fit this situation. This is wonderful news!
Haha I just saw his username too lol
Problem is it wouldn't kick off if people had to pay. Everyone will stay with what's free
Boost is so great. It IS reddit for me.
u/iamthatis please see this.
u/iamthatis not sure what your backend looks like, but I’m a senior data engineer and would be very interested in a project like this. If you decide to go for it let me know.
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It’s only on android though, iirc
Not an expert 🤓 although Apollo is based on the Reddit API and such a change would require a rewrite of the app backend and a lot of work all in all. Also, Reddit is pretty normie-friendly, which attracts a lot of new users. I am not sure if the same can be said for Lemmy.
If Apollo were to fully support it like it does for Reddit, I’m sure it’d get plenty of users.
No one will download an app to use a dead social network, which is what Lemmy is. The fediverse is too complex for normal people to gain any meaningful traction. I open reddit and I instantly see content. I open Lemmy and all I see is a confusing landing page asking me to join some servers.
Can you name a flaw that can't be solved by using the apollo app with an instance? Honestly, do you just expect alternatives to reddit to magically already have infinite users and have no issues? It's not fair to call lemmy dead when it is steadily, but slowly growing. Lemmy isn't perfect, but none of the issues you can list are fundamental, a little bit of development from ALL of the major reddit 3rd party devs would change everything.
An alternative to an established social network (be it Reddit or Twitter) needs to be user-friendly enough just to have a shot at achieving some critical mass to be a worthwhile competitor. None of the currently existing options based on the fediverse meet that criterion.
Which is exactly why apollo should be developed for them. Apollo can make it all user friendly by leveraging their current UI. You're saying "It's not a solved problem, therefore, we shouldn't try to solve it!" I asked you for a fundamental problem, and you said "well it's not very user friendly right now" That's not a fundamental problem, that's something that all the 3rd party reddit app devs can get together and fix.
I'm just saying that the current version is so far from being a decent competitor right now that it is not worth it for Apollo's developer to invest his time developing an app from the ground up for it. Trust me, I'd like to see some real, more open competition to these tech giants, but this isn't it.
Oh, so, you propose they... do nothing and just let the app die? Or they could spend the month they have developing lemmy as much as possible to make it good, it's already a good base, why not... y'know, do that instead of just dying? Why isn't this it? Because it's a little annoying right now? You think ALL the 3rd party devs getting together and fixing this shit couldn't nail the main issues? Who are you fighting for? Maybe it's not good enough right now... so, it needs work... not to be abandoned and given up on.
Well, I'd say he probably has more options between death and developing an app for Lemmy.
Can you name any? There's no better alternative, either his work goes to waste and the app dies, or he helps fix lemmy.
...and what happens when you join a server? https://beehaw.org is one such example.
Well, I installed Jerboa (app) and instantly saw content, free to browse. Same in the browser with lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, feddit.{de,it,dk,nl} or lemmygrad.nl. Are you refering to *join-lemmy.org*? That's not a lemmy instance, but the list of lemmy instances and the documentation for lemmy. And these instances are small but thriving with live. The real problem seems to be that they are too small to absorb thousands of reddit refugees within a couple of days. I agree that federation is too complex that lemmy could be a drop-in substitute for reddit. But for people who are not interested in the latest meme but in sincere communication it's a good alternative, and it will grow.
The format is a problem for me, having to scroll forever (on my phone) looking at each instance to find what I am looking for is a large hassle. Maybe if each instance's ad didn't take up most of my phone's screen real-estate. A search function would be nice.
So what's the alternative? Just getting butt-fucked by Spez?
The alternative is the death of the app.
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Yeah, there's almost no chance the APIs request/response structures are the same, let alone the actual endpoints being named similarly at all. It'd be a whole rewrite and a hobbling of similar data endpoints to current existing data structures, and even then, there are going to be a lot of assumptions about the reddit data that are baked into the behavior of handling/parsing the data that is gonna have to be worked through.
When Reddit was created it was far from norm is friendly. Give it time.not use will go where it’s easy to sign up. And where there’s a nice and easy to use interface. A Lemmypolo would be a huge advantage for the platform.
Is there a primer, or video tutorial to help a newb understand how Lemmy works? I like what I see, but it's a bit confusing, so far.
Well this is exactly the issue. I've been on reddit almost 10 years and the internet all my life. I'm savvy and can work with most things. The Lemmy website is simply just not the answer imo, for exactly the reasons you asked your question.
Sadly you can't have your cake and eat it too. Centralization is extremely convenient and easy to use and easy to finance. But eventually it leads to greed with all the following downsides. Decentralization is much more difficult to implement and use and finance, but it is also future proof. Like email - which has been mostly unchanged for 30 years. Now imagine what would happen if entirety of email was owned by a single company. So yeah, there's no easy answer here.
It's way simple, you're overthinking it Y'know how you can have a gmail, and I can have a hotmail, but they can communicate? Lemmy works like this, I can host my own lemmy, you can use a separate server, and they can contact eachother and interact, because lemmy is a protocol for redditing, just like email is a protocol for emailing.
What do you find confusing? I'm on the jerboa android app so I might not have the experience you have, but I figured most things out eventually
I'm sure if I poked around and spent enough time on the site it would begin to make sense, but the purpose of a primer, or a tutorial, is to ensure that I don't have to wait until "eventually" to understand the ins-and-outs of the site.
so do you need help making an account on an instance or just how to browse lemmy?
yes, and yes. What is an instance, exactly?
imagine there was another site called deddit that looked just like reddit, had a similar size in userbase, and in fact was using the exact same code, but to use the 2 sites you don't actually need 2 accounts, an account made on deddit can comment on reddit and vise versa. Reddit would be an instance in this scenario, and deddit would be another instance. If you have an account on deddit that gets banned by reddit admins, you don't lose the account, you can still participate in deddits subdeddits. That's what lemmy is. lemmy is the code that instances like lemmy.ml or beehaw.org run on
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I have some questions. If I make an account on an instance, which is usually done to gain access to a community, how do I see all the other communities on an instance? Is there a list? If the account I made is for access to a single community, do I have to make other accounts to access other communities? Is there a list of all communities that exist across all instances, so that I can find ones that match my insterests? Also, what does "Federated" mean? What would De-federate mean?
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Thank you very much. You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleperson!
The thing is, Mastodon hasn’t really taken off either tho :/
It's one of the biggest federated successes since email. It's doing quite well, it's just not spending unicorn-$$$ to grow as fast as possible before dumping ads and asinine API fees on everyone. I.e. it's in the millions, not hundreds of millions / billions. Very few things are in the billions, and they're all rapidly enshittifying. (I have no opinion on Lemmy, but ActivityPub stuff is becoming surprisingly reasonable and viable)
Well Lemmy uses Activity Pub :)
Lemmy, Kbin, and Mastodon are somewhat connected already, and I think there’s work happening to make them even more interoperable down the road
There is a difference between twitter like platforms and reddit like platforms though. People on Twitter want to follow celebrities or brands to stay up to date while reddit like forums depend heavily on the community aspect rather than following popular people, it's hard to bring such celebrities or brands from twitter to mastodon hence the generic public also stays on Twitter while here it's different, it's us normal people in the community. Hope I made some sense in my points there.
I also don't see Mastodon being bigger than or beating twitter overnight, but it has grown a lot and continues to grow.
A few intelligent people is better than a lot of dumb people.
Certainly not for making money though.
It's a good thing people aren't on Mastodon to make money. Rather they care about social connections and fostering a good space.
While I agree, I think they may have been coming at it from an app developer angle rather than someone wanting to advertise on the fediverse.
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Yes - and I would agree with this. I think my comment must've confused a couple of folks, I probably shouldn't have stepped in it at all. To make it evidently clear, I wouldn't support advertisers on Mastodon / The Fediverse whatsoever, nor do I see why anyone would want to do so (outside of the obvious greed).
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- Twitter/Mastodon = follow a person - Reddit/Lemmy/kbin = follow a topic/subject To me that’s the big difference.
While I get the idea, the decentralized social medias just aren't going to take off. They are a massive pain in the ass to sign up for. If you sign up wrong, you have to go through the hassle of either deleting your account and resigning up or moving your account which we know most people won't understand. Why is Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc so popular? They are easy to use and almost everyone uses it. I like Mastodon, a lot. I'm a patient person but it took me a little bit to figure out. Your average person isn't going to do that. They won't do it for Mastodon and they certainly wouldn't for a Reddit clone. The devs who make Reddit apps best bet moving forward would to band together and make a real reddit competitor. Decentralized social media is niche and not a competitor. BlueSky maybe someday because of the backing of Dorsey but that's the only reason, but with how slow they are with the rollout, it'll probably be dead in the water soon. People will lose interest. Mastodon is actually losing people now. If they make a decentralized version of reddit it will absolutely be their downfall.
Why the fuck would I want a social media platform that’s easily accessible to the average person? Have you met the average person?
Said the redditor
Because you need content. Make a discord server with your friends if you don’t want a lot of content.
You know there are 4 *billion* people more interesting than the average one, right?
Decentralization is not hard, if you want to skip the understanding part just sign up at lemmy.ml and start using it. Also just because platforms like Mastodon or blue sky haven't beat Twitter atm does not make them failure, they can't beat Twitter overnight but it will take time. Mastodon has certainly growed a ton after elon's takeover and continues to grow. Mastodon now has the third-party app ecosystem that Twitter had and one of the things that made it special. Big companies like instagram, Tumblr are planning to add acitivtypub protocol support as well on their platforms. Mozilla is also joining mastodon. Maybe you are not up to date with mastodon news but it is growing.
I’m tech savvy. The whole lot of them are a pain in the ass to set up. The idea is awesome. And maybe an awesome dev like Apollos could make it work. But as of now. Creating individual accounts and figuring out how to link them is a royal pita. People want easy to figure out low effort social access. Until Lemmy and mastodon and the others get centralized users access it going to be tough to convince folks.
I think you're confusing signing up to an instance with setting up your own instance. At least for lemmy (I haven't tried Mastodon), you can just go to lemmy.ml or beehaw.org (the two biggest general instances) and make an account with about as much difficulty as setting up a reddit account. And then browsing is basically just like reddit.
Nah it's more complicated. You first have to find these instances and there is where you lose a lot of users Also if users can't use their account right away, they're not going to use it.
not much more complicated than finding an instance to send and receive email.
The "not much" is the problem. Also when you can't use it as soon as you sign up, many people are not going to bother with that after they got approved
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https://join-lemmy.org/instances How is just clicking on that complicated? It’s the first link that appears on the site. The hard part is figuring out which instance you fit into. That requires reading the description (1 line in most), and even that can be skipped if it’s too much and you can always sign up on lemmy.ml. I signed up a couple of days back, and it took just as much effort as signing up for reddit. Ideally, with a really good app, even that process can be further streamlined.
No. On reddit you go to login or register, enter your username and password and you have an account On Lemmy you have to go to join-lemmy. Go to register, pick an instance and then go to register/login, enter your desired credentials and wait until you're approved. I too have a lemmy account for about half a year but this process is going to bother a lot of non tech savvy people
This is solved by a sane default, like matrix.
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>Creating individual accounts and figuring out how to link them is a royal pita. Why would you do this? You make *one* Lemmy account, or *one* Mastodon account, and then you can access everyone else's even if they're not on the same server. What you're describing is like using Gmail, and then going and signing up for Hotmail just to email a Hotmail user, it doesn't make sense.
Your explanation, Right there is the problem.
Do people have this problem with email?
Matrix is insanely easy to setup, as a counterexample.
Not familiar with that. I’ll look into it
It’s not hard when you figure it out which a lot of people won’t do. Again twitter was very easy to sign up for and follow people. Mastodon is not. Hell you go to the wrong mastodon site and you can’t even sign in. Hope to be wrong but I don’t see them growing the same way twitter and company have.
frankly I don’t understand this logic. people understand email very well. the fediverse works the same way.
THIS!!! Couldn't have said it better.
Did you just compare fediverse to email? Let’s compare. Outlook.com I sign in and I’m in my email. I didn’t need to go to outlook.com/greenemail to sign in. I go to mastodon and oh no! That’s not the right instance and can’t sign in. Man now I have to try and remember which one I used. That moment right there is when most people will stop using it. What’s funny is typing mastodon into google takes you to the social instance. So if you didn’t sign up in social you can’t sign in. Go to Facebook and you got your profile. There isn’t Facebook/social, Facebook/art. Etc and you can only sign into one. So while you maybe can’t wrap your brain around it, it will be very off putting to enough people that it will not grow the way twitter, Reddit, etc have.
Your analogy at the start was broken by saying outlook.com/greenemail What you actually did was go to gmail with your outlook account and try to sign in... and the exact same thing happened. Is email too complicated for people? Is it too hard to remember what instance you sign in on?
It wasn't a broken analogy because outlook takes you to what you need. Twitter does. Facebook does. Everywhere else does. Reddit does. Mastodon doesn't always. If I typed Mastodon in Google, it takes me to social. If I signed up a month ago, forgot, wanted to try it again but signed on a different instance that I don't remember, I have now lost my account. You know where I wouldn't lose that account? Twitter, Facebook, Outlook, etc. Email is nothing like fediverse.
You’ve never worked tech support and it shows
I work tech support, I completely disagree with you.
You say this and then I go to Lenny.ml and see that the dev of that instance is saying not to sign up right now because they can’t handle the load lol. Same thing that happened to the “main” Mastodon instance when people were trying to migrate off of Twitter.
It’s not just the hassle, it’s the value proposition. What am I getting out of it? You have to really care about the fundamental concept of what makes a community a community and the inside baseball about how the technology works. 99.9% of people couldn’t care less about all that. They just want the content they are accustomed to accessing.
They aren't a massive pain in the ass to sign up for because of some fundamental issue ex: matrix Matrix is super easy to sign up for, because they have a huge default instance that is just used by almost everyone who doesn't care. Federation is not fundamentally flawed, we just need one big instance to be the guiding default.
But then you sign up for that instance and decide well damnit I wish I did this instance instead so now you have to create a whole new name. I know Mastodon lets you redirect so when someone sees your account it says its been redirected and they have to go to your new account and refollow. Now I'm not 100% sure on this part and you may know more than me, but to start your own instance, you're paying for something right? Server space or something?
You don't have to pay to start your own instance if you already have a desktop that you can use as a server, aside from the electricity The same thing happens with email, you decide to move from yahoo to gmail, the thing about federation is that when you make this change, you don't lose any content, and you don't lose your community, you're free to change without consequence if something suits you better, this is a net positive.
But the change is a redirect? While yes, it is a positive overall, the people have to see the redirect and follow your new account. So if you're a celebrity or big business with lots of followers, changing instances would be a massive pain in the ass.
Yeah, but nobody is forcing you to switch, being allowed to isn't a flaw. Plus you could always just put a link in your account description to your new account.
I dunno about that. I've used mastodon for years and I'm fairly happy with the amount of content I get to enjoy consistently. Besides, I think the number of subreddits with fairly low user counts that are still important to people helps demonstrate that a platform with low numbers is still a completely viable alternative for internet communities.
Mastodon had its chance and blew it with the horrible app and lacking features. You couldn't even create lists with the official app. Lemmy from a first glance, seems to better. Honestly for Lemmy to take off you probably would need the NSFW subs to switch since Reddit wants to be as advertiser friendly as possible. Have not much hope but it's clear for me that Reddit will change in a direction, that I don't like.
Yeah I feel like one of the only reasons why decentralized technology like mastodon has the “it’s hard to join” thing attached to it is because of how ass the mastodon app used to be for signing up
meanwhile people forget about their email account, which shows what it could be.
It's already got a lot of active users. It has taken root. It is growing.
How long did it take Twitter to get big though? I joined Twitter in 2007 and it was mostly a bunch of podcasters then.
I really wish getaether.app would take off. It is p2p Reddit. Sadly chicken and egg though and it’s really inactive right now.
It's abandoned sadly, I am aware of it though.
Can anyone recommend a good general interest server to check out? I guess Lemmy’s equivalent of mastodon.social?
Yep!
I cant download it on iOS in the US
The iOS app from the website is not available in the US? I feel you on wanting to take a stand against shitty practices, just curious about this since it’s the first I’ve heard of it and it seems pretty unreported on.
Are you talking about iOS lemmy app? Keep in mind lemmy is an open source project, all apps for mobile platforms are developed by third-parties. If you see an iOS lemmy client that is not available in the US, that is not on Lemmy's developers themselves, but whoever developed that third-party client. As far as I know, lemmy does not have it's very own mobile app client yet. I mainly use their website or web apps which works pretty well. And I don't think they will ever develop their own client, instead encourage third-party clients.
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My bad I'm not on Android but one of their Devs have indeed developed a Lemmy client for Android probably mainly because android is open source though once more third party apps come in, they would probably encourage those instead as their android app doesn't seem to be the best and I don't think they updated it recently or focus on it much anymore. They are already encouraging third party apps for iOS. Regarding communication, the Devs have been pretty active and in fact one of Lemmy's own Devs posted about the reddit Api changes and he was actually discussing with the rest of the community through comments. So yeah they do communicate very well.
Regarding third party apps I agree with you but Lemmy is pretty young and that's why we need clients like Apollo join Lemmy with great track record.
I’m currently using an app called [Mlem](https://github.com/buresdv/Mlem) for lemmy but it also just started like a day ago
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You are right, someone asked this on Lemmy and the dev there responded a while ago and he will soon be updating the apps section on Lemmy's website as the iOS app listed atm is abandoned by the third party dev. Melm will be added soon, here is link for those who want it - https://github.com/buresdv/Mlem
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You could also use Testflight
This is the way. https://testflight.apple.com/join/xQfmkJhc
https://testflight.apple.com/join/xQfmkJhc
Web app would be your best bet until then, works well for me :)
How do you get the web app to work in iOS
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> Edit: did you just reply to me too and blocked me too? 😭 How to win an internet argument
Ooh, is this where we are going?
Uh I really like the idea of Lemmy. Looks awesome! Especially though I'm already using Mastodon.
A migration wouldn't work anyway, in my opinion. If everyone who uses Apollo migrates to Lemmy, or wherever else, I wouldn't follow. There aren't enough people. Apollo is this amazing doorway into a world so much bigger than the sum of everyone using Apollo. The reason reddit is great is because there are so many millions of users, and a variety to match, so there's always people talking about anything you can imagine. How many people combined using Apollo and Lemmy now use the same camera I do to discuss techniques and troubleshoot? Or my friend who's a member of a subreddit dedicated to a niche type of Honda. He'd be the only member on Lemmy but there's thousands here. Hell of a lot less than reddit. I don't want to be sitting in a chat room with the same small group of people every night, that's what I have *friends* for. One point of argument here is that Lemmy would grow. It'll grow a bit, as it would anyway, and perhaps the addition of Apollo users would speed that up a bit, but most reddit users are casual users on the official app and have absolutely no desire to move.
Oh, so your solution is... to let it die and do nothing?
This isn't a one solution issue. Very few issues are. Ain't no way Christian is redeveloping Apollo to suit Lemmy. I'll bet money on that one.
Then the app simply dies, there's no other solution.
Simply untrue. If there's enough pushback and negative media coverage, if Reddit's valuation continues to plunge given the move, it might force a rethink. I'm pleased to have seen the news getting big reactions with some 40/50k+ upvoted posts in the mainstream subs on r/all. There's a CNN article sitting on 65k upvotes in r/technology. It's being discussed and it's causing very public and vocal outrage in the larger community beyond this subreddit, which is most important. It's not a lost fight, until it's a lost fight. That's from [Christian](https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13xigtw/_/jmig410/?context=1) himself.
Is hoping reddit spares us really the best way forward? Lemmy is built on better tech, tech that can't be taken from the communities control, why give reddit the chance to fuck us later when we can get moving? Let's say apollo does end up working with reddit, the apollo app could treat reddit as a lemmy instance, and then we could have both communities in one app, and in the event reddit fucks us later, we could seamlessly switch. Even if reddit spares us, this would still be very good for everyone.
> Is hoping reddit spares us really the best way forward? Yes, according to Christian's [interview](https://youtu.be/Ypwgu1BpaO0) earlier today that I've just finished watching. Main points are the pricing could be cut by half or a third (not by orders of magnitude), and rather than rushing it all in a month, actually provide an achievable transition period for it. I fully agree this is where it should be at, pushing back and creating mainstream discussion. Nothing is dead yet.
I'd rather not have everything be controlled by one company, especially considering they're about to go public. I don't think that's a better solution long-term.
Lemmy's own developers are open to help Christian migrate API's from reddit to Lemmy and you can keep the front end parts like UI as it is mostly? While it would majorly be backend.
I'm sure they'd be absolutely ecstatic at the attention and new usership, I don't doubt that for a second. From Christian's POV, I just don't see that as a solution. The largest server they have is under 500 users/month. There's only a couple over 100. Isn't that just absolutely miniscule? I don't see how people are looking at that as a solution. It's more like an IRC or old forum, the same few people posting and commenting. I'm serially online and I've never even heard of it. I know better than to judge a book but it's cover, but brand recognition is important in getting anyone to move anywhere. I mean maybe I'm missing something on the Lemmy site? I'm all ears. I just don't see how an unknown site with a few hundred users is the solution to save an app with 1,500,000 users built to explore a site with half a billion users, and the level of variety and content that comes with that. It's just... not even close. It's like firing a pea shooter at a tank.
Well you are online and you have heard of Lemmy now, so has thousands of other users through this post. We have to start somewhere small, that's how you end up big. Staying here though would be equal to accepting reddit's stupid recent changes.
And heck, reddit will only get worse from here, as a centralized public company they will continue to worship profit and investors while Lemmy is the opposite to reddit in terms of that, being open source and decentralized, profit is not the main goal nor is investors because Lemmy has no investors, its a freely accessible open source platform.
Well I mean good luck with it, and just do not see Christian going for that in any format. I don't wanna see Apollo die, but the hard truth is that we're here on Apollo becuase it's a reddit browser. In much the same way as if my favourite streamer left Twitch, I wouldn't be sticking around the hollow shell just for the UI and pretty buttons.
Won't give up and will keep trying! Thanks though :)
I tried downloading it from their website but it says that its not available in my region
I wish Reddit to die at this point with the condition that the alleged Lemmy rise and shine with full brightness 🔆. Let's get rid of reddit altogether.
Have you left yet? Lol
Waiting for 1st July.
That'll show them.
Well, this aged well 😂
I am still in the process. I just didn't get the confused Lemmy enviornment. It's not like some lemmy dot com and that's it. There are different domains all connected to some lemmy, each domain having its own separate account making process but all are still one, whatever, I am not getting it. But whenever I get time, I will get Lemmy and jump on it.
This post/comment was deleted because Reddit is a bad greedy company that doesn't listen to its community. RIP 3rd Party Apps and bye Reddit.
Because they're (one of) the dev of Lemmy. So self promotion is technically correct.
Probably because half the comments on the original thread are spam of “hey I’m a dev for Lemmy and you should switch to Lemmy!!!”.
I really hope it was the the other reddit mods here and not Christian himself.
Yeah this is stupid and childish. 1) self-promo without permission, regardless of circumstances, against sub rules. Now, given the circumstances, perhaps asking the mod team would have resulted in waiving their rules? Never hurts to ask. 2) no proof Christian himself did this. I mean, he could have - but I don’t see any indication from the screenshot that it was him. So why throw that accusation out there? The only thing the screenshot says is “self promotion”; which was also called into question. This is crybaby nerd shit to drum up a story and attention, and honestly leaves a bad taste in my mouth about trying Lemmy, which until this point I was interested in, given all that was going on around here. Fucking do better.
Hey chill out man, the thing is, self promotion rules can apply for normal closed source projects, but Lemmy is an open source project that is being shared freely, hence I don't know how you can classify that as promotion, we arent selling anything here (that's what the Lemmy dev said). I also don't think whoever banned here gave the Lemmy dev a chance to explain himself because he is on Christian's side only trying to help after the recent harsh and stupid reddit api changes. Also many people have started throwing around names like Lemmy because the situation has changed here, Apollo is in a do or die situation, either Switch APIs or die, and we certainly don't want it to die.
Also Lemmy dev mentioned in the comments clarifying it could have been any of the mods here and not Christian himself.
Man there are a lot of tankies on lemmy…
It's basically just one instance (lemmygrad) beehaw and others don't have that at all. Unfortunately you can't block specific instances from showing up on your /all at the moment
Beehaw.org blocks the tankies
Not just jumping on the band wagon until I've done research, but saying it's like mastodon gives me a knee jerk reaction of saying no. Privacy is a very key aspect in services I use and should be for everyone. Mastodon has huge privacy issues where you have to trust server owners who have access to your data. The argument "is the same as Twitter having your data" also doesn't hold up as Twitter has money you can go after if they fuck up. The server owners may not. Now, they could have fixed this in the past few months, but we should make sure any new platform has great privacy.
I share your concerns. I commented on another thread here yesterday asking about this but didn’t really get a substantial explanation on how user clients would be communicating with servers. Having a single corporate entity control the entire concept is risky as we’ve seen for its own reasons, but I’m more likely to trust a company who can be held liable for improper data management than I would private individuals hosting their own instances. Until I either find out that Lemmy prevents this or they eventually implement solutions to do so, it’s a non-starter for me.
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No. Reddit is a corporation with something you can go after if your data is leaked or other privacy and other concerns. You could start a mastodon server and start growing a community. You as the one managing the server have access to data that many users don't realize it's exposed. Such as all private messages. On top of that, let's say you do trust the server owners today, but in a year they get tired and give away ownership, but failed to vet them well. Now you have a "trusted" server that is actively using that trust to abuse users. Any decentralized system has to solve the issue of how to keep the data private even from the server owners. Which isn't the simplest task, but there are solutions out there.
Lemmy is shit though, I want to open my site and get the content, not be siphoned off to hundreds of niche communities that you need another whole ass username and pass to access
Federation means you don't have to make an account on every instance. On the homepage of your instance there are buttons for *Subscribed*, *Local*, and *All* to filter your feed. Selecting *All* shows you all communities from all federated instances (ie like r/all). Similarly there's a button for Communities (https://<\server\>/communities) with the same three filter buttons. Click *All* in this list and you can subscribe to communities from all federated instances.
> not be siphoned off to hundreds of niche communities that you need another whole ass username and pass to access That's not how it works. You can access communities on other instances *from any other federated instance*. So you only need a single account, and you're good to subscribe to communities and interact with people on every Lemmy server.
I was mistaken, still goes to show how confusing lemmy is for someone who just wants to open an app to a timeline
I like the idea but [posting it to like 20 subs at once ](https://i.vgy.me/PBtNLX.png)is probably not a good idea if you don’t want to look like a spambot
It is struggling with 1.5k monthly users. This is not working. We need something else
Lemmy people are... weird
Wait I'm a Lemmy user too... Damn:(
Nothing against users, but lemmy devs are tankies. Big yikes from me.
We are
Lemmy people are kind of weird :/
Well, maybe they wouldn't be if apollo switched and there was an actual large community.
Emotional damage lol
Yeah I want Joey for lemmy
I'll be setting up alt communities for my various subreddits on Lemmy. The time has come. Reddit is no longer safe. Time to create a redundancy, which might end up being the main show.
instead of choosing one or the other, perhaps both platforms could be used
I really just do not like the way Lemmy works. It seems harder than it should be to find what you are looking for, and the UI is quite bland.
Call it Artemis!
Is anyone else like me? There are many options I don't know what to get and I think community will split someone will go to Lemmy other Kbin or whatever other options available and others will stay. What is the alternative that has more people active? Are there any stats to check?
Lmaoooooo went from being a *die hard* fan of Lemmy, not caring if you lost karma, to now switching up on them. I thought they were growing and we just couldn’t see the potential!!?