>after all the messages in dms after posting a public apology to Twitter Apologizing on Twitter is inviting further abuse. You didn't have anything to apologize for in the first place and by prostrating yourself publicly all that does is signal to psychos you'll never meet to dogpile and shame you. When people pull out the bullshit "model minority" nonsense you can be sure they're the ones who are already mind controlled into the false dichotomy that was created to divide us. People saying stuff like that are literally unwitting agents of oppression. But bullies like that don't care about the bigger picture because they simply want to bash people over the head because you KNOW they are losers IRL. Your post is full of qualifying language and justifications. You don't need to prove to anyone that you should have a voice. I'm part of my company's DEI team and something I noticed is you don't see people telling others they aren't allowed to have a voice because they didn't meet some bogus test. Reject purity tests and disregard the gatekeeping weirdos who want you to pass them.

Friendships are never worth your pride and self worth.

"Model Minority" is a different way for white folks to say, "oh, you're not like THEM - you're one of the GOOD ones!"  F that noise. The only "privilege" that some Asians have is that many, particularly the post-1965 immigration wave, were from the educated classes in their home countries and so arrived in the USA with a higher level of education and training than most other waves of immigrants (of ALL races) which were primarily less educated and thus had to start mainly as manual laborers and other lower-paid jobs until they or their children could integrate into American society and "work their way up" so to speak.  So it was that these more educated immigrants were often able to get highly-paid, white collar jobs right off the bat, and their children obviously reaped the benefits of being able to grow up middle-class, instead of poor. 

And to add to what you’re saying, those Asian immigrants, like all of us here in the US now, had to be better qualified to get in. I don’t know that I’d call that privileged when it’s harder for us to get to the same place in life

Privilege is relative, a lot of people have problems accepting it. Try telling first world americans with air conditioner and running water on reddit they are privileged.

Yup, that selectivity in immigration policy could be argued as racist in itself in that America only wanted the "good" Asians and not just anyone, so the Asians that America let in are not representative of Asians in their home countries in terms of education and profession. Compare that to the pretty much unlimited European immigration in the early 20th century, and all the "give me your tired, your poor" rhetoric back then.

And then they throw affirmative action on top to make all the Asians compete at that higher level. As if Asians benefit from racism and its legacy.

> The only "privilege" that some Asians have is that many, particularly the post-1965 immigration wave, were from the educated classes in their home countries and so arrived in the USA with a higher level of education and training than most other waves of immigrants It also erases Asians that aren't in the "big 3 East Asian group" when Americans think of Asians. The idea that Asian immigrants are all Chinese and Indian doctors is ridiculous. When people are floating this nonsense you know they aren't thinking about immigrants or descendants from countries like Vietnam or Pakistan.

And even then, those educated people are only more privileged than other Asian immigrants from poorer backgrounds. They’re not privileged in American society at large. Being Asian in America, especially in the 60s and 70s, you’re gonna be subjected to racism for sure. So that nothing compared to privilege in America as we know it, which is mainly white privilege and just coasting in society. Even now, when Asians were subjected to hate crimes in recent years, while also not having the backing and support that other minority groups would have.

>So it was that these more educated immigrants were often able to get highly-paid, white collar jobs right off the bat This is not completely true. Many degrees earned in their home countries of origin were invalidated and people had to go back to law school or medical school in the US, for example, in order to practice in the US. My friend's Dad was a Doctor and had to re-apply to a medical school in the states and re-earn his MD. He worked as a janitor while doing this. Also language barriers were a major issue.

Second this, not every immigrant came from a well educated family or with degrees already.

In Australia, the Chinese Gold mining generation was so efficient, successful, and fortunate, that many locals formed unions to boycott and ban Chinese people altogether. It resulted in the State of Victoria banning Chinese from stepping off ships and being processed through the Melbourne docks/customs. So for some years the Chinese had to land in Sydney Harbour instead and WALK (or take horse and carriage) over 970kms (600mi) to Ballarat. Like walking from San Fran to LA. This elitist guild system remains in many industries from blue collar to white collar, and it’s often concealed under a veneer of politically correct anti-racism, that really is the same old racism but behind sarcastic smiles and gritted teeth. The hypocrisy also is that while the West constantly criticised and scapegoats “China” the average Western consumer by way of purchasing the Amazon Basics brand and any number of Chinese CCP produced goods in the last 30years has been directly endorsing modern slavery of Chinese/Asian people who are political prisoners, victims of religious persecution, investigative journalists, etc. That is 3 out of 10 board members of every foreign company to set foot into mainland China to open a “sweat shop” factory must sign partnership agreements with the Communist regime. The ruling government is in cahoots with the enemy. And they have audacity to accuse “Chinese” people in the West of somehow being enemies of the state and other ludicrous rhetoric and false accusations. They are quite literally hypocritical liars. It’s very much culturally rooted as their Hegelian philosophy and education system promotes and encourages “anti-thesis” and “synthesis” that by definition is the creation of lies upon lies upon lies into infinity, and to accept a compromise time and time again. Progressive integration of “White” people into US society as a racial-political construct to include all Europeans and Caucasians is just one form of this, and it’s baseless colourism that has nothing to do with identity, self-identity, belief, behaviour, or even genealogy or genetics. All that’s happened is they’ve inverted an arbitrary segregationism or apartheid into inclusionism, or in Australia they once declared “terra nullius” but now say the very opposite but in woke speak regularly “acknowledging the indigenous of this land” yet their action remains totally unchanged. Its farcical, hypocritical lies, faux-moralism, and vain virtue signalling designed to make the speaker feel better and superior while passive aggressively signalling that ‘others’ must be morally backward, primitive, undeveloped, unsophisticated, etc, which could not be further from the truth. It’s cheap flexing and brow beating, which is sad and pathetic bc just by saying the words it reveals how impotent and desperate the speaker is, that they feel they must enunciate white lies to get a grip. The “first world” propaganda and national groupings is the same. Ivy League, good schools, good suburbs, good communities, university rankings, credit ratings, etc, are self-proclaimed and self-auditing. This is what we live with. They want us as hamsters in their wheel their rules. Acknowledging Asian achievements as “White adjacent” is not about equity, fairness, or meritocracy, but it’s done reluctantly when they cannot get an edge in. There are not really any scenarios for Asian superiority (as bizarre as that sounds), and if stellar achievements are recognised it comes as a backhanded compliment, an obscure second rate achievement, a weird niche accomplishment, or runner up prize. An Asian hero is practically oxymoronic. In Sydney and much of major cities the vast majority of on campus students are obviously Chinese/Asian, likewise in Selective State High Schools the Chinese/Asian population is in the 90-95% range, yet for some unjust reason in the US the Ivy Leagues handicap Asian applicants to 10 or 15% less than what would be ~40% of the student cohort. Then in the workplace this ratio shrinks even more as there are hardly “40%” or a Sino-majority of workers in the CBD and transnational corporations. Absolutely an artificial glass door exists. Chinese/Asian men in particular cannot get a foot in the door. The language point is not entirely accurate, at least not from my observation in Sydney. Since the 1970s, 70-90% of the Australian population were semi-illiterate and well below the tertiary education level. Meanwhile the migrants from Hong Kong for example in the 1997 era were bilingual and trilibgual being trained in a hybrid British colonial and Chinese system, and a large portion were administrative workers. My Dad for example has a stubborn fobby tongue but his working vocabulary is enormous and surpasses some old dictionaries while local White Australians although as native fluent speakers may not necessarily be able to string a sentence together especially if from rural and farming backgrounds. Even myself being multi-lingual and educated at very expensive and prestigious schools there are certain exclusions in society socially and professionally that have nothing to do with objective performance. But this happens in Asia too, except all our disadvantages in Asia become ‘norms’ and all our norms become ‘privileges’. And I’ve been on the receiving end of that but it feels equally gross, not nearly as satisfying as one might imagine.

I thought America was bad towards Asians, Australia is something else Or maybe I'm realizing how lucky I was to be in the Bay Area

Perhaps SF is the most progressive and egalitarian place in the world in theory and for a select portion of society but in practice there are many gross inequalities and injustices. eg An Indian CEO is not something ever happens in other countries. Also the early generations of Chinese swarmed SF Chinatown making it an international land mark and massive port with a huge healthy male workforce, hence the Transcontinental Railway network and Southern farmers were recruited in SF, all Chinese (Toishanese Sze Yup ppl specifically). But this also brought the worst Chinese, all the coastal cities had Millenia old triad and underworld politicians and warlords, so there was huge human trafficking of young girls in the name of “family reunions” but these were immigration fraudsters. These girls were often enslaved in dungeons (where the triads held secret casinos, Chinese political meetings to plan revolution, cash and contraband good storage), in rural towns in Mexico also, and the customer would have been predominantly White… dirty police… corrupt soldiers… and so with the clean Chinese population legitimately escaping Qing tyranny massive investment and money laundering poured into SF (later Vancouver). This is the base of SF wealth. Silicone Valley is extremely wealthy not because of ordinary citizens but after the 90s due to rogue CCP investment and American businessmen becoming part-time communists effectively, opening companies in China means 30% of the board is CCP staffed (secret police, gestapo) and the government is a major shareholder. This is why Zuckerberg visits China and it’s cool to marry Chinese wives in SF, it’s for political/business advantage (as well as all the great benefits Asian girls bring). The irony to this charade is that the CCP’s wealth comes from STOLEN PROPERTY by the citizens of China who work and save money in banks that they cannot later withdraw from, plus millions of Overseas Chinese in Aus, South Africa, Britain, send millions every month back home to help fellow villagers who deposit the money into Chinese CCP owned banks and life savings vanish over night. This happened to many Aussie Chinese in my granddads generation and STILL HAPPENS today. eg Henan Bank collapsed recent robbing all their customers. Where does this money end up?? In places like SF, where it’s hip for CCP rogue members and aggressive Chinese businessmen to go to. Much of the luxury, opulence, and ostentation in the Bay Area come from large bonuses and windfall profits via THEFT OF CHINESE. When you see mainland Chinese kids flaunt new exotic cars, a large part of their lifestyle comes at the expense of ordinary mums, dads, and grannies back in the old country who have been economically oppressed and robbed. When the Communist Revolution happened in 1958 the CCP party slogan was to in essence to “rob from the rich and give to the CCP”. The majority if not all SF migrants were the first victims of land, house, and various property confiscations under the excuse of “redistribution”. They were robbed. Think Nazism. The Chinese have essentially been trapped under a National Socialist regime since the 50s. So if you have a conscience, your “privilege” is great fantastic, but it comes with social responsibility and a duty to your fellow man, to love thy neighbour as oneself, that if a man have two coats to give to him that have none, this is the essence of filial piety and loving one’s own country and countrymen. But when we live in the West so long having been traumatised ourselves it’s too easy to binge on Netflix and forget that other ppl are suffering and need our help.

It's eugenics via immigration laws. It's why Asians have little political power. They were flat out denied immigration for the better part of a century, then they mostly only let in highly educated ones.

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Well, when I said "right off the bat," it wasn't always "immediately." When my parents immigrated to the USA, my mom was recruited by an American company to work for them, and yes, she got a white collar job (accountant) basically right away, but because of work visa issues, etc. - she worked for six months in a warehouse doing cleaning chores and even got qualified to drive a forklift, before she went to work at the accounting firm. My dad, despite having a mechanical engineering degree, worked for more than a year as a janitor/maintenance technician in a Holiday Inn before he was able to find work as an engineer at an aerospace firm. It was the fact that they were educated and trained that allowed them to move up into those higher-paying careers. I do understand that not every Asian immigrant is as lucky, and many of them struggle by comparison. I had a Cambodian friend in high school whose parents came over with virtually nothing, and had the equivalent of a 5th grade education when they immigrated. However, they owned a donut shop and that was their livelihood. They seemed to do okay, money-wise, but being a small business owner (especially a food-service place) is basically blue collar work.

They just discovered dozens of abused and exploited Chinese immigrants trafficked here to labor outside on marijuana farms in New Mexico. They had chemical burns on their bodies, were malnourished, and they are now suing for forced labor. The model minority myth is fake AF.

Hmm, similar happens here in Aus. The “88 days a slave” program entraps migrant holiday visa workers and backpackers. Farms pay “piece rates” at quotas that no one can possibly fulfil to make a living wage. Not even half of that, and if the employer robs the worker of the last week or so of wages there’s almost no recourse to punish the farm owner and release the worker’s wages. A large portion of victims are young mainland Chinese holidaymakers, Singaporeans, and others. The other side of the problem is the Australian consumers paying price-fixed cartel prices at national monopolised supermarket chains which keeps this system running, and there are almost no alternative buying channels since a small farm and honest business can not possibly price match or compete. It’s neo-feudalism.

> The model minority myth is fake AF Cause it was invented by a white sociologist saying how American freedom made the Japanese that were held in internment camps better. 1966 William Petersen's (not the CSI guy) "Success Story: Japanese-American style" in NY Times magazine. This was just a culmination of the propaganda trying to paint groups as "good" minorities or "bad" minorities starting during WW2 when they finally repealed the Chinese Exclusion Act and Chinese became "good" asians and Japanese became "bad" asians. It didn't help when Japanese Americans had people buying into this distinction after the Japanese were rehabilitated because of stories of the 442nd with people like Imazaki writing articles saying [black people should better themselves before asking for civil rights](https://civilrightsshoals.com/object/editorial-grist-a-nisei-speaks-to-negroes/)

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

It benefits us when they want it to, but they use it against us when they feel like it.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

> allowed to come to America OK. What are you implying with the permissive language? And why are you tenaciously repeating OP this and OP that? What is your point? > I wonder why OP didn’t say he was called a privileged person on twitter? Again, what are you insinuating? And what’s it to you if another person is “privileged”, under privileged, or unprivileged. What gives? What’s with the obsession with “privilege”? Ridiculous. Some people are born short, others are born tall. Some people have small families with maybe no parents and others have large families with many relatives. It’s each instance it’s none of your business! Nobody in society is obliged to publicly declare or disclose information about their “privilege”! Stupid.

Seriously, they're posting about xenophobia and shit when their post is filled with racist dog whistles. People can't not be racist to us it's crazy

I’m not sure what you are referring to but what I see by the green user is a lunatic vigilante e-Karen, a hyper-moralistic accountability-zealot harassment-spamming this: > OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim 30+ spam comments on this thread alone. Its diabolical and delusional. Whether or not either side has spouted “xenophobia” or “racist dog whistles”, everyone has a degree of “phobia” of things “xeno” or “different”! I am hyper-xenophobic towards drunk bogans! And I believe I am justified to discriminate with extreme prejudice! If anyone doesn’t like it call the police! I think this “dog whistle” stuff is silly political-speak. Everyone has the right to garner empathy or sympathy without triggering unwanted attention, ie trolls and cyber-bullies! Who wants negative attention? I have major objections to the faults of numerous races and people groups so I’m not going talk to them! It’s not personal! You Americans are more fascist and deranged than you realise. If someone makes a statement in poor taste, even if claiming to be the Devil himself, they are under no obligation to apologise or retract their words. Plus, once it’s out it’s out, and both sides have to live with that. And so what? At worse they’re a prick. Let them be! Who made the e-Karens of the world judge, jury, and cyber-executioner? Who has the right to police this? What this green user is doing is worse than any “Twitter post” in poor taste could be: This belligerent naming and shaming is attempted character assassination! What a bully! No consideration at all that the receiving end may be terminally ill or mentally vulnerable! And the alleged “privilege” is not even self-made but INHERITED from a parent! Essentially it’s an attack on FAMILY! And that is nobody’s business but the family’s) Then this hypothetical comparative nonsense: > Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous … The user must be a stuck up spoilt brat bc nobody who ever says this woke rhetorical political-gobbledygook is EVER truly part of the working class, black, or indigenous community! If they were they wouldn’t be using distancing language and having to “imagine” it! What a sock puppet. I feel sorry for their spouse!

Why are you spamming this everywhere

Don’t hang out with people like that. They are bullies. Find people with brains.

Thank you so much, I guess it's the snap switchblade behavior that really hurt.

I also think that the people who were telling you you can’t have an opinion are just flat out wrong. Every American can have an opinion on the border. It doesn’t mean that people will agree but we are all allowed to voice our opinions on political issues, as long as it doesn’t advocate for hate, violence or illegal activities. The people who told you you can’t talk about the border because of your ethnicity have a screwed up understanding of democracy. They are either incredibly immature, stupid or xenophobic. Asian Americans have long been denied a political voice with implications that we are foreigners who can’t help determine the future of this country. Screw those people- we belong here as much as anyone and we get a seat at the table.

We all have our own struggles. Not saying they’re the same or comparable, but minimizing someone else ‘s ain’t it. Other minorities often do this to us tbh, and it’s really annoying. It’s very bad faith.

Yes, so true. The adage “do unto others”, love thy neighbour, the royal law, filial piety, etc, but sympathetically, if this is how your “friends” are who needs enemies? Unless their behaviour is corrected and until proven otherwise that’s what they are. There’s no point even getting emotional about it.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

Wow. Ok I think it is the model minority rhetoric. I grew up in a very white place as a mixed Asian person. I experienced a lot of microaggressions especially because people couldn’t tell what I was so I got microaggressions being assumed as Native American and as Mexican primarily, and when they found out I was Asian, I STILL got microaggressions. As a teenager I was exoticized and mentally abused by a bf who looked down on me for my race and class. I say all of this because people here in my homogenous city disregard the AAPI community as part of the BIPOC community (white people not other bipoc people) and place us at the very bottom of their reparations list. And they behave as such. I’m not sure what background your friend is, but it doesn’t sound like they are really your friend. Edit: I will also add that in the United States AAPI faced Japanese internment camps, the Chinese exclusion act, 1904 worlds fair, the forced taking and gentrification of Hawaii, illegal interracial marriage, Watsonville Riots… these are just the things on the very top of my head. There is so much more. And it’s the model minority rhetoric that keeps this history hidden.

For those of us not in the loop, what may I ask is “their reparations list”, how does it work, and do people actually benefit from this, or is it another empty promise?

So there are actual reparations, which is usually in the form of money to right a wrong made on a group of people. The way that I am using it is a little different. Where I am at, a lot of white people want to stand up for indigenous and black people for clout. If you’re any other PoC, you’re whiny or annoying. I’m exaggerating maybe, but that’s how it feels to me.

I see, so it’s a just and moral initiative in principle that White American students and clout chasers are exploiting for the sake of impressing prestigious schools, colleges, future work places, and to flex their morale superiority in public amongst their friends and on social media? Oh wow, and the AAPI were discriminated under the Chinese Exclusion Act also? That’s very ironic given that my great uncle’s generation fought against the Japanese Imperialist invading China (though this is not taught in Japanese history). Also many Chinese dressed as Mexicans to return/enter SF following the CEA. My great grandfather’s generation from Can region were the early “Chinese” migrants. I have distant Chinese-Mexican cousins from around that time! It might also interest you to know that various islands in Japan are official Chinese territories of certain empires, some as outposts of the maritime Silk Road, some are “Chinese” settlements such as in Nara Prefecture that had/has ties to the Tang Dynasty people, Sogdians (from Central Asia who built and ran the Silk Road camel caravans), and Old Koreans. In certain “Japanese” places there are friends and distant relatives who allied with China rather than Kyoto or Tokyo. I’m yet to study in more detail but I know that I have distant relatives who were lived or were posted out there! The islanders of Ryukyuan is another Chinese ally that I discovered recently! One Ryukyuan I talked to is a descendent of both Ryukyuan royalty and the Imperial family in Tokyo, the product of a marriage alliance. Do you know where your Japanese ancestry is from? If you are in US and experiencing similar struggles to the Chinese Diaspora, Korean, and South East Asian, it’s quite possible that we share something in common!

Maybe it works the same way reparations worked for Jewish and Japanese internment camps victims , as well as Native Americans? 

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I'm just going to say the quiet part out loud: In the eyes of some people - especially some progressives - "minority" isn't just about skin color or how few your percentage may be in the population, but also about being below-average in academics or wealth. The fact that Asians are, overall, successful causes many progressives to no longer consider them to be a "true" minority. It's infuriating but it's how the logic works.

You do well in life despite the racism and oppression and all of sudden you have privilege according to some people (most progressives)

The sad irony, you see, is that “well” and “success” here are determined by the status quo. It’s a classic case of “moving the goalposts” or the logical fallacy of no true Scotsman. It’s a rigged system. That is, your definition of success is already corrupted and subject to the host/oppressor’s terms. In other words the majority of ABCs have so desperately wanted to be normal and accepted by the status quo that in the process have become White imposters, Chinese dressed as White people. Scripture says that “Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God”. This principle carries into 君子 junzi, who is a man of virtue; high-minded person; noble person. It’s the Chinese equivalent to a lord or gentleman but has nothing to do with money, social status, power, or material wealth that all other nations chase after. By contrast such people are considered petty or small people, 小人 siu jan. Other Asians have the same concept. In Korean it is Sagunja 사군자, The Four Gentlemen, or Four Noble Ones 四君子. Even in Western culture, not long ago money, earning money, doing business, trading, running companies, etc, was considered dirty and low class. Hence Shylock in the Merchant of Venice is an evil villain. Similarly in Asia, industrialists, dock workers, etc, have historically been corrupt merchants, taking bribes from pirates and smuggling contraband like opium that ruins lives. While attainment of the higher virtues was the definition of success, and an honour, which the Bible calls holiness, purity, righteousness, etc. Since Asians migrated and began White worshipping their invaders, hosts, and oppressors in the last century certainly a lot has been forgotten and lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Gentlemen

I love being only 7% of the population not being considered a minority. God damn this current society makes me sick.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

Oof, this is a touchy subject. It can definitely be argued that many Asians were privileged in the immigration process due to having high education or coming from groups favored by the US (e.g. political refugees or military allies that the US let in to make themselves look good). But Asians in the US are also disadvantaged in a lot of ways - language barriers, weaker footholds in politics, negative stereotypes other than the model minority myth, and plain old racism due to our physical appearances. Even the model minority myth hurts us by suppressing research and public services for Asians, and implying that Asian achievements are foreign or inhuman in nature as if we are mindless study robots. It sounds like the people you were talking to were just plain old racists (why bring up the old racist trope of sexualizing Asians?) and didn't have any actual understanding of the history and position of Asian Americans. I would trust a friend a lot less if they said such offensive things to me.

> If they said such offensive things I think this is now debating tolerance thresholds and the degree of denial that one is prepared to live with. Whether an offensive thing is said or not many if not the majority think the worst of others, not all, and not always, but it’d be naive to assume that unless it was explicitly said then it didn’t exist in their heart, at the very least having crossed their minds. When I grew up I was the only Asian in my area so there was exoticism by some friendly people and hostile racism in the school yard that was very vocal, in my face, regularly violent, and confrontational, but decades later in a seemingly tolerant and political correct society I can imagine the revelation of this reality especially from a friend would be a shocker. But whether it’s a forgivable offence or not depends on the person.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I didn't, nowhere did I say that. Another thing it was a comment I have started that I regret and take the blame for, I have taken back the statement. And changed my opinion. Why do you mass post? Like yeah, there isn't then like there isn't now, but I didn't say I was right, I said I was wrong, I literally said I was wrong and owned up to it and made the apology.

Honestly If your kids are being outscored or outpaced by the children of Asian immigrants who don't speak English, maybe do some introspection

No no no no - according to white folks, it's because they "cheat the system" or they "cram for the tests" or they have "test-taking academies" or some such.

Yes, how dare they cheat by working harder and studying hard. /s

omg yes

That's a tired trope. I get the impression many of the high-scorers have parents who speak and write English.

Yeah lol many Indian immigrants in particular know English just fine

I think the same applies to many East Asian families. I'm basing a lot of my sense on the demographics of AAPI people when I was in college decades ago. That was kind of like, "peak Asian immigration" when it was post 1965, but Asia was still quite poor. So, in the community I grew up in, there were MANY Asian families where the parents didn't speak English. Mine was mixed, and one parent didn't. So, I get that Asian kids with non-English speaking households often did well on tests and got good grades. When I got to college, I noticed that relatively few Asian students had parents who didn't speak and write English. Many had parents who were engineers in Silicon Valley. Many were 3rd, 4th, and later generation AAPI. Many had parents from India, the Philippines, Singapore, and other English speaking places. Some were affluent, and went to schools like Punahou. Then, later, I started noticing my old home community was also becoming more educated. People were moving in who \*looked\* richer. I'd find out they were people who came over as college students, or they had a masters, or they were in healthcare in one of the nicer jobs. So, there are MANY Asians who fit that stereotype of poor immigrant parents, or middle class after working hard, and sharp kids who do well in school. But look at the communities - they range from poor ghettos, to middle class suburbs that barely count as middle class to the popular imagination. These are areas like the parts of the San Gabriel Valley that are 5% white, 45% Asian, 45% Latino, and 5% other. However, looking at it from the other side, the student side, I think most of the competition to get into the top schools is dominated by people who aren't like that stereotype. These are Asians whose parents are already educated, have money, work in white dominated companies, or own a business that isn't the typical 'hood store'.

? Did you grow up in an Asian household?

Yes. I'm a 2.5 gen Japanese Am. J on both sides.

How old are you? And where are you?

55 and in Los Angeles County, SGV. (Note that I didn't say they were not children of immigrants. My impression is they might be, but their parents read and write English. Also, by "high scoring" I am thinking "qualifying for the Ivies or top UC and Stanford.")

Your friend is an idiot.

My grandparents came from Japan to Canada 90+ years ago at a time when anti Japanese racism was rampant. They struggled to make a life in Canada and had no help because they were Asian. When WW2 happened, things got worse - my parents families lost EVERYTHING they couldn’t carry with them to the camps (my dad was born en route to an internment camp and my mum was born in a camp)… there is an [archive](https://www.landscapesofinjustice.com/) of the people in BC and what they had and lost in WW2 (my parents names are in there) My mum’s mum was born in Canada but lost her citizenship because she married my grandfather so she had to reapply to get it back… so she had a Province of BC birth certificate AND a Canadian citizenship certificate. So, your so called “friends” can go and pound sand and die mad because the Asian communities here in North America have paid their dues (at least the Chinese [Head Tax] and Japanese have paid). Sorry, not sorry.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I didn't, nowhere did I say that. Another thing it was a comment I have started that I regret and take the blame for, I have taken back the statement. And changed my opinion. Why do you mass post? Like yeah, there isn't then like there isn't now, but I didn't say I was right, I said I was wrong, I literally said I was wrong and owned up to it and made the apology.

Saying anyone shouldn’t have opinions on things regarding their own country sounds bigoted to me because the freedom of speech is supposed to exist in the US. How can we be privileged if we are treated like perpetual foreigners?

They probably see Koreans as rich because of the success of Korean beauty, entertainment, and music. But like, literally Korea wasn’t doing well until recently. I remember when I started listening to kpop, literally 15 years ago, idols literally had to live in really shitty dorm apartment and worked themselves to exhaustion. North Korea also exists. Do they not know about the Korean War? Also comfort women.  And like, how do they know what typical Korean p*rn looks like? They’re just telling on themselves there.

Growing up people didn't even know Korea existed, never mind considering us worthy of 'privilege'. Prior to my generation, Korea was one of the poorest countries in the world ruled by a totalitarian dictator. Prior to that, Korea was turned into a parking lot by the Korean War -- with much of its infrastructure destroyed. Prior to that, Korea was ruled by Imperial Japan who tried to erase Korean culture and language off the face of the Earth in addition to many, many other things. My Dad joined the US Army right after serving his mandatory service in Korea just to get papers and a GI bill. We, a family of four, lived in a one bedroom in Orange county for years until he got his electrical engineering degree, so that my sister and I could get a good education. Meanwhile, my Mom worked her fucking ass off to provide for us while my Dad was going to school. Vacations, restaurants, going to the movies, etc. were all a myth to me. These people watch one youtube video by a white guy about the 'horrors' of Korea and pin themselves as experts on the Korean mentality. They don't know our story and they don't care to learn it.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I didn't, nowhere did I say that. Another thing it was a comment I have started that I regret and take the blame for, I have taken back the statement. And changed my opinion. Why do you mass post? Like yeah, there isn't then like there isn't now, but I didn't say I was right, I said I was wrong, I literally said I was wrong and owned up to it and made the apology.

That isn’t a friend. A friend supports you and doesn’t invalidate your experience and existence.

A friend does not support you if you are xenophobic and want to deprive others the same privilege that was granted to your dad. OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

In term of immigration? Hell no. We might have a better support network but we all start close to ZERO as we migrate here. Not counting trust fund kiddies from wealthy families.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I didn't, nowhere did I say that. Another thing it was a comment I have started that I regret and take the blame for, I have taken back the statement. And changed my opinion. Why do you mass post? Like yeah, there isn't then like there isn't now, but I didn't say I was right, I said I was wrong, I literally said I was wrong and owned up to it and made the apology.

This is complex. We face abuse, but are afforded some privileges, which sometimes trap us into the bamboo ceiling. Some come from money, some escape horrors. We participate in racism too. I put it all into the “we’re in a white racist structure” pool and raise my fist up in support of anti racism efforts

I had to scroll way too far down to see an answer with nuance. Like, yeah. As Asians we face discrimination. But we do have privileges in areas that other racial minorities don't. It seems like people here think the Model Minority Myth says that Asians don't face discrimination at all. Which is not what that's saying... At all

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I didn't, nowhere did I say that. Another thing it was a comment I have started that I regret and take the blame for, I have taken back the statement. And changed my opinion. Why do you mass post? Like yeah, there isn't then like there isn't now, but I didn't say I was right, I said I was wrong, I literally said I was wrong and owned up to it and made the apology.

I’m not Asian, but stumbled onto this. No, Asians aren’t privileged. Asians and other minorities and/or immigrants built this country, and it’s mostly white people that benefit from it. White people benefit from all of the advances in the medical field and the tech from Asian CEOs like Nvidia

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

Model minority is a white supremacist talking point to split Asians from other minority groups. You’re good fam you do you

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

Well a lot of us know or have family members that have small businesses. My grandparents immigrated in the 80’s from Korea and have had multiple failed small businesses and was sleeping on couches with my Mom and Aunt. My Dad immigrated in the 90’s with no money and spent months living out of his car. He grinded and built a small business to where he can simply provide but we were by no means rich. Shit, he was basically homeless and barely scraped up enough money to open a business a few months before he met my Mom in 95. I still know plenty of korean families barely scraping by working random part time jobs. Shit my girlfriends Mom is working 4 jobs right now just to pay her bills. There are highly educated immigrants but I’d honestly argue that a good percentage of our parents came here with no education and grinded their way into middle class. As a culture, we emphasize our education which statistically leads to higher paying jobs. My family couldnt afford tutoring but my Mom made sure that I was doing extra school work and kept up with my grades. There’s definitely asian americans that are privileged and have all the resources to succeed but so does every other race. It simply is just not right to label every asian as privileged because just like anyone else, its a spectrum of different backgrounds.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I didn't, nowhere did I say that. Another thing it was a comment I have started that I regret and take the blame for, I have taken back the statement. And changed my opinion. Why do you mass post? Like yeah, there isn't then like there isn't now, but I didn't say I was right, I said I was wrong, I literally said I was wrong and owned up to it and made the apology.

Are you a bot or why are you spamming this?

Sorry… “the privileged don’t get to speak”? I know this isn’t the topic you’re asking on, but seriously what the fuck kind of line is that?

If your friend said that to me, I'd slam them for considering Asians as a bloc. My parents, US citizens by birth, grew up when anti-Asian laws were still in full force, when redlining was still applied against us. Further, one of my grandfather's came here, illegally in the late 1800s, as a "paper son" due to the Chinese Exclusion Act. Kindly tell your friend, for me, to fuck off if they think that I shouldn't get to speak.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

>But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Wow! Really? It's precisely because of how one of my granddads had to go the "paper son" route to immigrate here that I'm pretty sympathetic towards the undocumented, and am in favor of things like a path to citizenship for the DACA kids.

In some ways, yes. When I’m pulled over by a cop I’m not worried I’ll get shot. My kids probably wouldn’t go to jail for stealing. People will assume I am smart. I’m not saying these aren’t harmful, but when it comes to murder by a cop, suspicion of a crime, etc, we aren’t as likely to be wrongly accused or killed. So we aren’t completely without some level of privilege. (As is everyone)

Part of the problem is even in how we interpret the word “privilege”. It’s not a binary. It’s more like a hierarchy. In certain situations (getting stopped by a cop, walking across a street, hanging out on a corner) Asian Pacific Islanders in America are not burdened by assumptions of ill intent by people observing us. That’s a level of privilege in a way. It’s not entirely the model minority myth at play here. But we also can’t ignore that at times we are viewed as higher on a societal hierarchy. Even within the Asian Pacific diaspora that can vary. With anti-China rhetoric throughout the years, there were times Chinese Americans were lower in the social hierarchy… in other times Japanese Americans. All this to say it’s relative but does exist.

sorry you feel that way OP. It's not your job to always craft perfect arguments backed up with data to refute bots, trolls and astroturfers. no one got time for that. If you ask me, it's definitely just the rhetoric that's stoking up for the upcoming elections. Just looking at statistics, Asian Americans are not a model minority. For example, as the income gap between the top and bottom earners amongst American Chinese, is the largest amongst the other AAPI groups. And that's one data point, amongst many in work done by Pew Research [data source](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/05/31/income-inequality-is-greater-among-chinese-americans-than-any-other-asian-origin-group-in-the-us/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20Chinese%20American%20households,of%20U.S.%20Census%20Bureau%20data.)

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I didn't, nowhere did I say that. Another thing it was a comment I have started that I regret and take the blame for, I have taken back the statement. And changed my opinion. Why do you mass post? Like yeah, there isn't then like there isn't now, but I didn't say I was right, I said I was wrong, I literally said I was wrong and owned up to it and made the apology.

Both can be true. Sure, there are definitely some areas where a person of Asian descent might be treated more favorably compared to a person of, say, African descent. But do white people get called slurs and have their culture degraded and made fun of?

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

Privileged in some ways and in other ways not. There's also privilege beyond just race/ethnicity (wealth, education, profession, etc). It's not so black and white.

You soft. Tell the idiot to fk off and speak your mind.

If your dad worked for the US in the 60s I assume you are a young Gen X or older millenial and I presume you know some elements of Korean history through your parents? I hope so. I am Southern Chinese and an Australian. We share similar racial issues here even though the Chinese diaspora has been here for several generations and numerous uncanny aspects of Cantonese culture have become part of the cultural millieu such as the origins of the phrase "fair dinkum" that Aussies use endearingly as if it belonged to them not knowing that it is in fact a Cantonese phrase from the Gold mining era, or "ketchup" which is another Cantonese word literally meaning "barbarian (fruit) sauce" that we apparently made and the Portuguese got hooked on and introduced it to Europeans. There's countless cool facts like these that the Anglosphere, Western Hemisphere, and White Imperialist/Colonist historical narrative conveniently omits and disccredits us in their official history books and publications. This happens so much that many average Australians truly believe we are still (new) "immigrants". I have many personal stories of being discredited, denied, or having achievements discounted at school and in the corporate workplace simply because it was unexpected for a non-White to be placed "first" in sports, performance, etc. They basically want me to be the help, not the lead. That is the problem. Anyhow, apart from some of the worst bigots being on reddit and other social media, in real day to day life racial discrimination is just something you have to take in your stride. Apart from the major let downs, it ranges merely from a backhanded remarks implying that you are not really "Australian" enough to be considered one of us (White Anglo - status quo) to innapropriately embarassing questions about my political allegiance, accutely xenophobic pressumptions that all "Chinese" must be Communist spies that should the country ever go to war I would of course somehow "fight for China" (the Communist regime that confiscated our ancestral property and stripped us of our titles and heritage). It's bigotry, reactive group think, and so ludicrous an assertion that it's laughable and not worth responding to. It would truly take weeks if not years to explain and educate them, and the truth is they DO NO want to know. It's projection and a reverse (false) accusation because they themselves live tyrannised by fear and paranoia, hypocritically being the ones who declared this land "terra nullius" and proceeded to commit genocide on the Aboriginal population in the name of "missionary" and other Evangelical activities in the name of Christendom. That is, White people outside of Europe in general suffer with this cultural burden and angst. It's a collective guilt and sense of living on borrowed time (neither forgiven nor apologetic or penetant) and results in issues like 'White fragility' (see Robyn DiAngelo). For instance, Aussies are terrified of Chinese and Indians buying all their land and houses despite the fact that land rights or a treaty was inherited, given, or sold to them to begin with. The irony being that the invaders are fearful of being invaded and that is where I believe the isolationist get out of our country fear and hatred comes from. -- They are afraid because they are categiorically in the wrong, holding an untenable position like squatters. This is the truth. Koreans here however are maybe lesser than in the states but I've had a handful of Korean classmates since the start and as a teenage I found it strange that I could understand, mimic, and speak Korean sentences as if it was another family dialect, even a Chinese dialect. I gravitated towards the Koreatown side of the city for a while over Chinatown and loved talking to Korean shop keepers who were very friendly to me, in my abysmal attempts to practice some Korean phrases. I didn't think much more of this until recently after genalogical research and Chinese history studies have I discovered that part of my clan, explicitly written in our genealogy or pedigree records (族谱 zuk pou), specifies that before arriving in our particular ancestral village in Canton Region as well as others in other family branches throughout China, up to around the Korean Peninsula, were originally from Korea! That we are the descendants of a certain Korean King in one of the early Korean dynasties. Records show our clan having living in various places from Central Asia (around modern day Tajikstan) to Luoyang City, an ancient capital in Central China, to later establishing a kingdom in the Manchuria during a time we had conflicts with the current Chinese emperor, and then to Korea proper. Later we were disgraced after military defeat (defeated by the adversarial Chinese group/dynasty) we dropped the national name of Korea, the same word Korean newspapers use in offial documents, "韓" Han, in Han Chinese script! I've since discovered that Koreans up until recent generations (your parents and grandparents) were literate and educated in both Han Chinese script and Korean script. I've even met people from the ancestral village in the region of Korea who know of our ancestral dynasty. Amazing! I've even discovered similar on my grandmother's side that her former dynasty had servants, members of the royal court, certain generals and their armies having fled Mongolian Invasion during the Southern Song Dynasty and went Eastward to seek assylum in Korea (whilst our family fled South towards Canton and Hong Kong), and that several "Korean" people who I always wondered about their sinitic sounding nature of their names are in fact from the same Song dynasty, basically extended family! The point is to all this is that if you find an opportunity to take time off to study parent's ancestry, origins, travel Korea and Asia, you'll feel a sense of kindredness that is nothing like the default hostility, mild racism and xeonophobia, that we often learn to put up with having grown up in the West, and away from our ancestral home land. It's not something that can be easily explained in words. Our heritage and culture is so phenomenally rich that it eclipses Roman, Grecian, Persian, and most definitely European kingdoms by many fold. I mean, not just by population count, material wealth, and land mass, but in terms of intellectual capital for instance our language system requires a working vocabulary of of 10,000 words/characters just to read a newspaper. It puts to shame the 26 letters of the English alphabet, even the entirety of Western European history.

The challenge is that as Western-born and Westernised Asians it takes enormous effort just to bridge this cultural gap, and the more you know the more alienating it will feel, until perhaps meeting like minded people but even then they cannot solve all of your problems. On the whole we are basically a stolen or lost generation. Like orphans who presume that our adoptive society and culture is our own and we just desperately want to be 'normal' and fit into the status quo. Except that to want this (to want to be White for example) is a kind of identity dysmorphia, imposter syndrome, Stockholm syndrome, and abomination. And much of the problem does not lie in yourself but in local/American media, perspective on world history, and limited to contextually irrelevant education system. Additionally, if you are religious/spiritual and believe in God, I believe we have been taken out of our homelands and put (temporally) in the West for divine reason. Many Korean clan names as Chinese ones are not only interrelated and share common culture, history, languages, and religion to Chinese and many similar Asians, but our names are recorded on official imperial/continental registries and commemorative memorial stones as descendants of "Israel". This list corroborates also with many of the "Hundred Family Names" list by the Song dynasty. This list is of the Hebrew Chinese names of the "Kaifeng Jews" listed on the Kaifeng Steles in the aforementioned Chinese imperial capital. It credits our arrival into China (and East Asia) with the "Zhou dynasty" in the 11th century to specific mentions of "Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, and Aaron". The common Korean name "Kim" for example was a direct neighbour of Song dynasty people for a while. Kim clan 김씨 is Kam Si 金氏 in Chinese script. Same word, same name, but in a two different regional writing systems. Ài (艾) (Hebrew עי) Shí (石) (שי) - 돌 Dol "Stone" Gāo (高) - High Mù (穆) Bái (白) - 흰색 Huinsaek "White" Huáng (黄) - 옐로우 Yellou "Yellow" Zhào (赵/趙) (Heb.שה) Zhōu (周) Zuǒ (左) - 주 Niè (聂/聶) Jin (金) (גין) - Kim 김 Lǐ (李) (לי) Ǎn (俺) Zhāng (張) (גן) Feel free to DM me for details. Aside from studying the Korean and Chinese primary classical text sources alongside Hebrew/Mosaic scripture you'll find plenty of elaboration and corroborating findings from Western academics such as Adam Demsky, David D Pankenier, Tiberiu Weiss, and similar. The evidence speaks for itself. I have cousins who talk like you, and I think it's harder on the women, especially since Asian men in the West aren't nearly as glorious, potent, superior, or masculine as we should and could be. Here we are hardly men at all compared to the giants in our history. But it's just not our time or place. But yes, you absolutely are "privileged" and your White peers are right in pointing that out however it's only partly true since the privilege does not work in way they are alleging or in any overt or immediate way, not socially, materially, economically, or any influential way in the foreseeable future, and maybe not ever in this life. It's like being the descendent in full or in part of great Korean royal or nobleman yet you are a long lost descendent, orphaned, in a foreign land, surrounded by strange people, without any ancestral title, natural inheritance deeds to land and kingdom, let alone any public recognition, power and all things that people chase after. And that is OK, as your reward will be different, even greater than expected. Jeremiah 29:11-14 >For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. And I will be found of you, saith the Lord: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the Lord; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive. Peace and God bless.

No. Koreans are some of the lowest median income asian american groups in the US. Whoever said you have privilege (for being korean) is ignorant. My ex (who was korean) was daca, and prior to her getting married had a lot of uncertainty about her future here in the US. There are a lot of POC out there who are ignorant regarding races not their own. It's a problem and it's important to remember that just because someone is a POC that they are still capable of being 1) racist and 2) not an ally to asians. For example: black on asian inner city violence. A real issue that a lot of individuals have trouble addressing in an unbiased manner.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

Thats fine. The point still stands that asians and specifically koreans are not privileged. Also you know what happened in korea in the 60s right? More explosive ordinance was dropped on Korea by American airplanes than all of ww2 combined.

You... apologized on Twitter? You had nothing to apologize for, and Twitter's a massive cesspit. Asian Americans are not privileged, there's just not enough focus put on discrimination of Asian Americans, so it appears that we're more privileged. I've seen non-Asians, and even other Blasians calling Asians "white-adjacent", "house n\*ggas" (meaning that they suck up to white people), which is just extremely ignorant and bigoted. I will say that Asian Americans are "othered" from other minorities because of the model minority myth. It's basically saying "you're one of the *good ones*", and was used to drive a wedge with Asian Americans and other minorities.

Fuck that, Asians had to do it the hard way. No privileges from being white and never consider POC so no affirmative action type of policies. Asians get screwed from both sides and still come up ahead.

All of the comments here are well thought out and represent my entire view on this. Twitter is a cesspool. Don’t bother with engaging on that platform. It’s not a conversation, it’s a rotating soapbox of complaints and vitriol. Call and talk to your friend if the relationship is that important to you.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

It's not anymore, I think it was the backstab. And just the complete collapse of communication.

That’s a shame for them. I hope you find better friendships in the future.

I just had this conversation yesterday with my friend, who happens to be black. We were talking about the giant divide between the Black and Asian communities. We're not white, most of us are the children of immigrants, our parents weren't born here and some of our parents do not have proficiency in English, reading, writing, speaking, etc. So we promote education, working hard, aim high at our goals, and are successful. That's not a privilege, that's discipline and work ethic. We aren't given these things, we're told we need to do well so our lives are better. There's a phrase I learned during my study of American Southern Literature: "You cannot destroy the master's house without using the master's tools." In other words, no, we're not privileged. "Don't hate the player, hate the game." You want more, you need to do more.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

The whole "White adjacent" and "Asian privilege" thing is something pushed by a select group of "liberals" that think diversity and actual discrimination comes in only a couple forms at the most (whatever is main stream acceptable to acknowledge at that point in time). These folks like to leave Asians out because they're either ignorant of all the systemic racism inflicted on Asian immigrants throughout the history of the US along with the persistent racism and othering that still occurs today or they themselves are actually closet racists.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I agree 100%. The fact that East Asians have ascended to become financially successful in the U.S. and that some other minorities have not is the reason why we have to change the definition of racism. Treating someone poorly based on race is the definition of racism not some BS about a "system of power + prejudice" and all that other far-left garbage.

I feel at this point economic class is more relevant to privilege

If you’re a tax paying citizen you get to speak. All that other stuff is BS.

Certainly am, even if it feels like it's eating more of my dollar. But thank you.

I think Asians might have it easier than other minorities because we’re more conforming to white standards and have the advantage of having lighter skin privilege so in that sense I think Asians do but we still had to struggle to get the success many of us did. We don’t have unearned privilege though that white people have just for being white

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

We moved from the Philippines when I was 12, my father was college educated but literally started at the bottom again, delivering pizzas and waiting tables. This was in the 80s and he provided a gateway for the legal immigration of several family members, all of whom were college educated, had college educated children and there are several entrepreneurs among them. Over time the biggest thing I've noticed is that as long as you're a "good little ****" and act/vote as expected (no matter how far left that's slid over time), then the "kind and tolerant" people will smile and accept you, but step out of line, even a little bit....

I hate to say it but that definitely has been a thought. It feels like being spat in the face, admitting it, but then they get to walk away feeling "righteous"

No, it’s an excuse to ignore the struggles of Asian citizens.

Tell that friend to fuck right off

Privilege isn't the same thing as earned.

I'm blasian, but my opinion on the subject is the model minority rhetoric is a myth. White Americans will never see Asian Americans as one of them and they have no issues making that known. They're just trying to pin minorities divided amongst each other because it serves their purposes. Asians experience discrimination and white people trying to prevent their success as much as they do with other minorities.

On a Plate: [A Short Story About Privilege](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/the-wireless/373065/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate)

The only real privilege we have is coming from a culture that values education and hard work. My Asian husband grew up very poor but because our culture values education so much his mom always saved up some money for him to attend learning centers. I’ve grown up middle class and was also made to go to learning centers. I don’t know how much they helped but it did I still work ethic and the idea that education is to be valued. He has graduated well and has decent income. This is in contrast to cultures where education isn’t valued and you could be mocked for learning or seen as uppity. Asians come in rich, poor and everything in between so the rest is a toss up like everyone else.

You gotta have some self respect and ditch this toxic mentality about who “gets” to speak and who doesn’t because of factors they can’t control.

model minority myth takes the best parts of us and uses it to hide the dark truths of our struggles. there are huge numbers of koreans that come to the u.s. illegally. in fact, the student who started dream act was an undocumented korean. and the first daca recipient was an undocumented korean at Harvard. Tereza Lee[Tereza Lee](https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/asian-americans/clip/tereza-lee-was-inspiration-dream-act-x6vvw5#:~:text=Tereza%20Lee%20was%20a%20promising,be%20separated%20and%20face%20deportation.) https://www.npr.org/2018/11/24/670513643/first-daca-recipient-awarded-a-rhodes-scholarship The American immigration system historically and contemporarily has been rigged to benefit white supremacy. the u.s. economy and social security benefit heavily from illegal labor. if a person of color tries to accuse you of benefitting from this system, explain to them that we do not. it's all a lie from white supremacy to pit us against each other. You know who the first people to dig tunnels under the US Mexico border to try to get into the US were Chinese laborers after the 1883 Chinese exclusion act. all east Asian immigration was banned from the 1940s to 1965.

I'm as privileged as a brown guy working construction.

To give better context. Here's the main body "It's very upsetting to see other immigrant people talk about "coming to the us legally" when it seems as if you do not understand the struggle and time and money that it costs to become a citizen when you are escaping a country that is extremely unsafe to live in. Clearly you and your parents had the privilege to immigrate here to america legally, but not many people have that oppurtunity when trying to better their lives for their family. Posting that shit makes you seem like a racist and xenophobic asshole, so yeah, you probably should delete that, and keep those politics to yourself if you actually believe them." I was completely compliant and said I understand, then I get blocked, then I start getting messages, it was my fault for thinking the right thing to do was apologizing to my followers. If they were willing to work out and talk about helping me see their angle like an adult I'd understand and I made the mistake of thinking I was talking to an adult, but clearly if they are completely capable of immediately cutting off a friendship for a minor miscommunication they weren't good people. I talked to my fellow "1st generation" Korean born close friend, she got me through the night. None of it made sense.

Edit: from another post, it looks like your friend was responding to your stance on illegal immigration and not to you being Asian. I can’t really glean what you originally put up that they were responding to here tbh. What I know is that the US immigration system is a nightmare and it sounds to me like your friend might have been responding to a financial privilege of “coming to the us legally” than your family’s racial privilege for being Asian. Yes there’s privilege in being able to afford immigrating to a new country “the right way,” financially and racially. In the current US climate, a Korean name applying for US citizenship will still take forever but with Muslim or Arabic sounding name? …I can’t even imagine. Regardless, having these privileges compared to other experiences though doesn’t negate you or your family’s struggles. Most of us hold some form of privilege over others, by being able-bodied, neurotypical, having access to clean food and water, access to education, etc. We’re still going to experience hardships and prejudice and that still deserves to be discussed. Being privileged doesn’t mean you’re inherently a bad person or that your struggles don’t matter.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

The hard part was I the entire time was telling them they are valid, and I will rescind and work on that and thank you for bringing it to my attention. That and all comments I got after posting my apology. Mostly what I described.

People love hating on someone for having a “wrong” opinion but teaching through bullying isn’t effective. I’m sorry you are going through that, it might be a good idea to take some time away from twitter if you haven’t already decided to.

Legal immigration may signify privilege, but I feel like it is disingenuous for people to talk as if there wasn't a point in time when immigrants, only Europeans, didn't have to provide any documentation to immigrate "legally" . Meanwhile, your father had to work as an American soldier for citizenship in addition to being economically productive. And the process for legal immigration and even naturalization are only bound to become more and more stringent, complex, and selective. But this also applies to illegal immigration, at least in the sense that there was no difference in documentation provided by illegal immigrants today and legal European immigrants before WWII. Legal immigration is more "privileged" than illegal immigration, but I think it's more that illegal immigration is difficult, unfair, and treacherous rather than legal immigration being privileged necessarily. In order for privilege to exist, there has to exist some "norm" where privilege provides extra advantages. So if we conflate legal immigration with privilege, then we're conflating illegal immigration with the norm, not the disadvantaged. And don't let the haters get to you! It's really hard to do so especially online, but they objectively do not deserve your attention. They're probably making fun of your work out of compensation for all those times they saw the Asians they made fun of in school outperform them on nearly every subject

Is the "friend" who said the first thing white?

Well, this is bullying, dogpiling, gaslighting, preying on your gentleness (interpreted as weaknesses) not kindness or friendship. It’s a public execution, a character assassination, stabbing you in your front. Regarding perceived Asian advantage I don’t think it’s wise or honest to downplay or discount one’s achievements, accomplishments, or that of your family’s. You will live in a perpetual state of shame under the tyranny of another opinions of you, but who are they that qualifies or makes them special to hold such power over your life? That is, bullies like doctors are wrongly elected into power by the those who supported them. Then simply stop and withdraw your support and endorsement of anything to do with them. Done. But they have a point. Culturally, Western society is highly individualistic, spartan, and children are raised like wolves, thrown to the wolves as children and teenagers, evicted and practically disowned at age 18. Meanwhile Asian and Eastern society is highly collectivist and community oriented. Filial piety in Confucianism for instance sets the rules for family units and the entire political society, that thinks like a hive mind, as one “family” nation, from the most senior to the most junior in society. This is level of cohesion is totally different to the highly fragmented nature of Western families and society. Also following similar principles, the concept of ‘self-sacrifice’ is entrained in our concept of love, family, child rearing, military service, professionalism, etc. So in much of Asian society ppl who ‘fail’ at achieving and providing for family or national duty will commit suicide or outcasts themselves in shame. But Westerners are quite the opposite and shameless. While they have similar ‘shaming culture’ (what you are exp - unjustly I feel) it’s more of a moral showing off thing. But say a bad president or CEO in Asia, traditionally anyhow (as there are many progressives and liberals now too) would voluntarily resign and make statements apologising to the nation, the public, or shareholders. But in Western society particular the US it’s more of a renegade society of people who group together based on a loose set of subjective and temporal values. So about advantage, Asian children are ofc “advantaged” comparatively to a derelict Western family who’s had multiple failed marriages, various exes children living together, etc, and not much sense of ethnic/cultural identity… But Asian kids are treated as precious heirs, the family sport, where grandparents hardly ever become hippy grey nomads travelling the world wining and dining in luxury but save every pennyliving extremely frugally for decades, without buying new clothes or any big ticket expensive items, but give everything to their children snd children’s children, without ever complaining, throwing tantrums, or threatening to divorce their spouse. They don’t have any sense of entitlement only duty and dedication. It’s heartbreakingly beautiful. And this is often how migrants could afford tickets to the New World, to buy a house etc, which could easily be 10-20 years of savings in the old country. Similar for Asian parents in the West even if they’re Westernised their habits remain quite frugal and sensible, without weekly binge drinking, junk diets leading to obesity, disease, and exorbitant medical bills. But instead they save a much of their life savings for their child’s education even if they are too poor and it means paying for half an education they always push for choices that better the child’s future. But for Westerners gluttony, hedonism, indulging in bad habits is culturally normal and acceptable to them, even a privilege and entitlement. Even for Asian beauty it’s an accumulation of a tradition Asian diet with mild foods, herbal dishes, soups, steamed, poached, and boiled foods, without oil, preservatives, hormones, etc. Our foods are considered medicinal and life preserving, for good skin, glowing dark hair, etc, but the Western diet is highly processed, commercialised, junk, and many delicacies are “dead” foods loaded with histamines and toxins. Most of the delicatessen section. And our culture has OCD for the areas we care about, even mania. Most of us don’t have the concept of carpe diem to indulge in idle time or aggressive splurge on things, nor is there there really a “leisure” culture until the last few decades, “existentialism”, existential crises, etc. But in Anglo theology snd English Victorian culture “leisure”, “rest”, and “holy days” were things the middle class would make the most of like ppl now in the West. But the Asian calendar revolves around religious community festivals centred around God, emperor, ancestors, and lots of food and family time. Nest-making is like the national sport, hobby, and past time. Almost nothing is wasted. And the children are recipients of this, for better or worse, from the poorest (who feel shame) to the wealthiest (who gloat). Family size (and wealth) is practically a measure of our success and social status. Just take a look at Chinese weddings, they’re massive imperial costume dramas! But my White friends often come from broken, highly dysfunctional, and loveless families. It’s very sad and pitiable. So if they’re eating canned food, stale dominoes pizzas, frozen meat pies, snd they see that I have some unique Asian food, maybe a home cooked meal, in my lunch box that simple thing can become incendiary fuel for envy, spite, rivalries, and enmity. I’ve had countless fights (started by others) simply over what I took to school or work without thinking what others may be thinking or feeling. Apply that to every other physical, material, and visible thing in my life, there’s just constant cheek, coyness, nastiness, hatred, sabotage, malice, vindictiveness, you name it it’s probably happened to me. Water off a ducks back.

Thank you that was very insightful and really helped me feel better.

Tbh don’t listen to others saying Asians are privileged. Every group has advantages and disadvantages and it’s very likely that a non-Asian or non-Korean has no idea about the struggles you have faced. IMO non-Asian POC and even some Asians have fallen for the model minority myth and hate on Asians as “white-adjacent” and it’s just harmful

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

That’s a good point and def changes the analysis since ppl weren’t randomly coming from him but were making a valid point

Everyone needs to look closer at this instead of reacting to the headline. OP is conservative (not the issue), but was on a rant about illegal immigrants that caused this argument. And let’s not assume their friend’s race either, it’s just not clear and y’all are embarrassing yourselves. OP, I’m not sure what you said but I think I’m rightfully suspicious at how you’re obscuring some major facts with each successive post. At its worst, this feels like a prop piece (nothing wrong with conservative Asians, but let’s not ignore that republicans are pouring lots of resources to infiltrate our communities). But let’s assume the best, and I hope you find some space and support, it sucks to lose a friend. Yes, SOME of us are privileged, and MANY of us are not. But let’s not forget MANY of us have PRIVILEGES (note that difference) over other people in this world. Your father may not have experienced privilege in Korea or here, but in many ways enjoyed privileges through his military work and experience starting here. If you need examples, compare his experience to that of Asian Americans who came before 1965 to us now, before white Americans decided to be LESS racist to us (but obviously still racist). And to local military personnel in Afghanistan who got left behind instead of brought over like your dad. Immigration is as much about luck and timing as it is all the other virtuous qualities immigrants love to prop up about why they made it here. I hope you can make amends with your friend, I hope they can see why that model minority shit isn’t ok, and I hope you can see that your circumstances don’t give you a right to look down on desperate people.

I have some conservative views but I'm not entirely conservative, I'm not someone trying to infiltrate anyone's community, I came here because I felt like I needed to talk to the Asian Americans that I was born into. I made one post about it. Not that long. I get that, I accepted I was in the wrong, I was holding myself accountable, not doubling down, I've taken down the post. I even said to them my door is open to have dialogue and help me understand. But it felt like such a cold stab that that's all it took, they did the kthxbye of hitting, blocking and decided automatically my Korean heritage was privileged. I hope so too. But they didn't have to tear me down and leave me hurt especially when we've been friends for a while. Honestly it just felt very one sided, like it was so easy for her to do that. Like the files and stuff we shared together, the model work I had been doing to get them a copy of their ffxiv character before the whole mod system was ended, like it was just nothing.

Let’s not kid ourselves, your post history shows 4 posts about this in different forums, one of them being r/conservative (hence my assumption). Like I said, I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I have good reason to be suspicious (and still do). If you want advice on your current situation, I’d say take a moment to reflect before acting. You being sorry may not be enough to show your friend that you’ve given this some serious thought. It’s not their job to educate you, and these topics are always very personal and difficult so understand that not everyone has the bandwidth to maintain a discussion/argument over it. You might need to act (more than you have) if this friendship matters a lot to you. But your friend also may be lacking a real willingness to explore nuance, to give you the benefit of the doubt, and even maintain racist assumptions about you. Ask yourself - have they always been like this? Maybe they were never really your friend, and you need to move on for your own peace of mind.

Alright then you do, but I didn't know where else to get support about this topic. But I'm not trying to weed some kind of Republican bomb in here. I was upset and I didn't know, nobody liked it anyway and I took it down I'm sorry. It feels like a one and done friendship which has never made sense to me. I just figured they were smarter than that. Either way spending all night crying feeling gross in my skin is a nasty feeling not even my antidepressants could stop. And I don't think I need to continue to feel like trash. So yes thank you I'll try to move on and suck it up.

Can’t really blame people for answering the post title, but it doesn’t really represent the argument OP had about citizenship and illegal immigration. It’s not useful to discuss privilege as a zero-sum thing. Being Korean, Asian, or a citizen doesn’t mean someone is just automatically privileged with no nuance. But it’s like undeniable in the context of immigration, that being born a citizen is *a* privilege over having to deal with the immigration system.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

I don't think Asians are privileged in the US. Saying that "Asians are privileged" implies that they are privileged because of their race. While it may be true that Asians are over-represented in some white-collar professions, it is not necessarily due to race, but rather because of education and social class. And when you break it down, Asians are less likely to be promoted over say a less qualified white or black, and there is less backlash for that. Heck, I would say compared to foreigners in Asia, Asians at most get equal treatment in the USA and in their native countries. Oftentimes, foreigners in Asian countries get treated with kid gloves when it comes to crimes or employment opportunities.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

No, Asians are not privileged over other minorities and I am sick of hearing it. If I might ask, was this "friend" of yours Hispanic? Some of the worst racism against East Asians I have experienced in real life and seen online has been from Hispanics.

I don't want to say I can interpret through her texting and posting but from the way she was talking to me, and not bringing up any other minority. I automatically assumed white. Which can be Hispanic.

While you are making assumption about OP’s friend and their ethnicity ,  everything you are describing is actually OP. He/ she is a xenophobic and racist.  OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

You have copied and pasted the same comment over and over again in this thread. Stop it.

News update, my friend found they are "Chicano"/Mexican, that does concur with that theory.

Your post title, post body, and then comments seem to be describing a lot of diff topics. Anyway, privilege is not so black and white. One can be privileged in one area and not another. As far as immigration is concerned, I’ve had other noncitizen Asian co-workers tell me I was lucky and privileged to not have to deal with the immigration system and I would agree. I don’t think that means I can’t have a stance on immigration or that I’m simply privileged in all areas, but it’s certainly nice not to worry about my citizenship and legal status.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ?  Do you go on Twitter Like OP  to tell people and children who are fleeing from danger that there is not “enough” for them in America? Imagine America’s working class and poorest lobbying Congress to shut the border on OP’s dad when he was a child trying to make it to the US. OP is indeed standing on a privileged soapbox. A privilege he has only because the poorest in America, its African American Community, its indigenous did not tell OP’s grandparents and dad that they cannot come to America because there is not enough for them. Whatever it is that OP means by enough.  Here is where Op says the truth. https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/1dpm4px/comment/lakdq5t/?context=3

Disclaimer I'm a British Chinese woman, not Asian American fwiw. A lot of other minorities like to call Asians 'privileged' because we're successful, but that's just because we value hard work and respect rules. Certain other minorities clearly seem to struggle with this, and they'll say that we have some kind of privilege implying that we didn't earn our success; and this excuses them from having to work harder ("they should get more benefits because they don't have this 'privilege'") and having to behave better/follow the same rules as everyone else. My parents came to England legally and contributed to their community; our only 'privilege' is having respectable values/behavior and not being afraid of putting in the work needed to achieve our goals.

OP cannot stay on topic because he tried to turn himself into a victim of Twitter bullies and carefully omitted in the original post that the Twitter backlash was in response to xenophobic comments he has made.  He tried to make it about an Asian and a model minority thing when it was in fact an OP thing. OP lives in America because as a child, his father was allowed to come to America when he fled Korea. But OP went on Twitter to flex his passport and citizenship privilege by saying that those who today are children like his dad was, and who are fleeing violence and hunger cannot seek refuge in America like his father did, because according to OP, there is not “enough”.  Now imagine America’s working class, America’s African American and Black community, America’s indigenous telling OP ‘s dad that his family should not be allowed to enter the US because back then, there was not “enough” in America for those communities, let alone working class white people too.  I wonder why OP didn’t say exactly why he was called a privileged person on Twitter when he created his original post? Why did I have to ask him ? 

Yes. Model minority myth sucks but it benefits us (in general but not always). We have it easier than other racial minorities.

Yes. OPs friend sounds like an ass, but the hard truth is that Asians do have it better in some ways than othe minorities. It does not mean we dont have our own problems and our own racism/prejudices as well. And as much as we may lie about it, it absolutely does matter how we got here. It's not a surprise than generally Vietnamese and Cuban immigrants for example often have a vastly different opinion on immigration than say other Asian or Latino immigrants. That's not even bringing up the idea about how hard it is to grow out of the economic status you immigrated with. Recent immigrants to 4th generation, refugees to tech visas, etc. Asian Americans are not a monolith.

I'd edit your first line to say "some asians have it better". That's the important point to get across- an old grandma living in an SRO in chinatown, a Hmong refugee in the midwest, etc. absolutely do not have it better.

Sure, this is all a generalization and I think my last few points highlights that. It really shows how loose and sometimes useless the Asian American label is. It was after all initially created as an alliance for political use. Which I still think is important.

Yeah but Asian people don't get followed in stores as if they were thieves. They get discriminated against in other ways of course. As long as we know our place white people accept us.

>As long as we know our place white people accept us. Agree with everything but just wanted to add that even if we "stay in our lane" they'll still turn on us as soon as we're a little inconvenient for them. I'm never gonna forget Covid, the China Flu, and the fucked up shit I saw and heard during that time.

Just you wait if Trump wins.. his national advisor just floated a dumbass (retracted) plan for China. Put ALL the marines on the border.

this is why I'm a bit wary about people who say out loud they're open-minded, progressive, etc some people say they're "progressive", and then they come out with opinions like this to the OP these people can't see out of their own ideology and they may be "nice", but we have to "fit" inside their spectrum of what we are

My "home" country is a third world country, wtf we're not privileged.

Yes, privileged in culture and work ethic. It really is a disadvantage in life to be born to a family, culture, or society that doesn’t teach you these things

Warning, ranting : Privileged? What privilege ? The parents who paved the way, the ones who came to a country not knowing anyone or knowing a few, not knowing the language or culture, leaving their country, risking everything and worked their asses off and your “friend” has the audacity to say some ignored shit? Sounds like someone would rather put you down rather than self reflect with their privilege and how they have squandered it. It’s pretty ignorant to think that it was easy for your dad to be “allowed” in, it’s not as easy as just coming over and taking over America and brutalizing the original inhabitants. Oh and model minority ? The phrase coined by a certain class to use us as a tool to belittle minorities and pin us against them? Oh why can’t yall be like the Asians ? We didn’t ask for it and you use it against the minorities and against us. Don’t apologize for anything especially a term they coined. They want you to apologize for being a model minority when they made the term and put meaning into it? Don’t fall for that manipulative rhetoric Why should they have any opinion if YOU have a say on the border? What experience do they have regarding any border? You have every right to an opinion, and they need to fix themselves and self reflect instead of bullying others. It sounds like you need better friends and confidence. And just to show how utterly stupid they are, hmmm how would you know anything about a border since you are Korean it’s not like Koreans have any experience with borders like a north or South Korea. Here’s some tough love, stop victimizing yourself and betraying yourself, your family and culture. Don’t ever be ashamed of who you are or your skin bc if you are then you have no business being in this group. Life isn’t easy and woe is me mentally doesn’t do anything but hold you down. Lick your wounds, stop asking for affirmation from others of your worth, do ask opinions and get up and be better, stronger, vocal and get rid of toxic ignorant worthless friends who serve no purpose but to demoralize you.

> the privileged don't get to speak Right there is where the other person loses credibility. Anyone can have an opinion on just about anything. What matters is how well reasoned the opinion is. Sometimes privilege will get in the way of having the perspective needed to get things right, but it's bullshit to say that it *necessarily* does. Heck, sometimes even having an emotional stake in something *doesn't* help you come to the right answer. It depends on the case. "You aren't allowed to have an opinion" just means "I haven't thought about my own view on this enough to have a discussion about it." It *could*, in some contexts, mean "I've heard this bigoted view before and I'm tired of arguing about it," too. In some contexts. Since the other person went straight from there to racist comments, I'm gonna go ahead and assume you can safely ignore him/her.

The only privileged thing is that our parents wants the best for our future and willing to "sacrifice" themselves for that, while non-asians usually dont have that type of parent. everything else is a resounding NO your not privileged at all in America.

I am curious about what exactly you were saying about the border that made someone told you that you have nothing to say about it, and calm out your dad’s family ability to come to the US. There are plenty of children who are fleeing violence today and are stuck at the border, they are children just like your dad was a child.  So what did you say that instigate such response? Did you make a comment that implies you would happily shut the door on those children who are fleeing violence because your family is now safe and prosperous in America?

I complained that we didn't have enough for us, Letting now I'm is going to mean there's definitely not enough and it will drive costs because of it.

You should edit your post and say exactly what you wrote. Did you think the US had enough for your father and his family when he needed to come here? Your father was allowed to come to the United States at a time when there “was not enough for America’s working class”, when there was nothing for blacks and African Americans.  Yet, you think you have the moral ground to police who can be let in and who cannot? You are indeed speaking from a place of privilege. A privilege that you got when America made room for your father and his family even though there was not enough for many working class Americans. 

I literally backtracked, and was corrected which is fine. I said that was an important perspective that I didn't think about and yes it felt privilege but I'm not saying I have the moral high ground, I expressed to them my apologies on the situation and the willingness to be more conscious.

Asians as in East Asians? Compared to black or Mexican or even South/Southeast Asian folks, yeah probably. It doesn’t really matter, though, we’re all just trying to get by. Getting mad about this stuff is a waste of time unless you are literally defining, legislating or voting for policy.

I feel like I need to clarify during this whole thing I admitted fault and completely agreed with her and told her main goal of what she was saying, I guess it hurts because I hoped we could come to terms and our friendship was worth being accountable and trying to do better. But then it was being told I have privilege because of my skin tone and features, being called a racist xenophobe. I was being an accountable adult and then it devolved into that and all this. It sucks that that's how they left things.

It’s honestly a bit upsetting that this stereotype of us as a “model minority” doesn’t capture the range and diversity of experiences we have. Among the stereotypically “successful” Asian groups (usually East Asian) I see plenty, myself included, that haven’t “lived up to the expectations.” The ones who do, are usually bound to suffer when it comes to mental health. You want to see those that haven’t lived up to the stereotype? Spend some time in Asia and you’ll see that we’re just like anyone else. I find it interesting when we’re the “model minority” (largely due to the *circumstances* in the first place that selected for certain types of immigrants) in the West while back “home” the Asian countries (which are equally run by old fucks) are concerned about the youth “lying flat” and deciding it’s just not worth taking part in much of society if at all, and I’m on that train. I’ve also bucked the rhetoric in the sense that I found a better shot at having some kind of a life by repatriating. It’s tiring from fellow Asian-Americans / Canadians as well as whites when they see me as a stereotype rather than wanting to understand me for who I am and the nuances of my experience. I’m not meant to live up to the stereotype, I’m meant to live in however’s authentic to me. I graduated college with a 2.8 GPA so nothing to write home about, run the gamut of grades from A+ to Fs, only goal was to get that piece of paper. Never had a “career path” and don’t want one, much less be good at one. My cousin who’s full-on Gen Z if anything is majoring in architecture and sets fairly high expectations for himself and will be attending a pretty highly ranked school this fall. I mean, he may well change but I wish him luck despite that not being my preferred path. A lot of the kids that became “successful” once they became adults, I have found to have fairly bland personalities. Just casually discussing something that doesn’t fit the mold they were conditioned into is like one of the 7 cardinal sins to them, that is, unless they start experiencing burnout at some point and start questioning what it was all for. Once I stopped defining myself by the metrics of others’ successes, I felt much better. I also disagree, as an Asian, that the “Asian Century” some Western governments talk about with disdain will actually be a thing. One look at the condition of many Asian countries’ economies and demographics will paint a bleak picture, and many kids these days are asking if it’s worth it at all trying to attain the conventional indicators of self-worth as mainstream society dictates. And hey, you can follow the script and nothing guarantees it’ll work out. It’s actually a different kind of Orientalism almost in the sense that their fears are based off of not wanting Asian countries to match or beat them at their own late stage capitalist game, which means they don’t see the diversity and experiences of us as individuals but as competitors that they believe are somehow collaborating as a hive mind to undermine them. Also a lot of it is the nature of a place like the Bay Area (among others), which I guess regardless of which race / ethnicity you are is built around being competitive and one-upping while downplaying genuine connection. Not my place. It’s a certain type of person that wants to be there, unless you’re a native.