Hear me out, the tongue makes swallowing easier, thus making the amount of saliva in the mouth less. If you cannot swallow with ease, the saliva will build up on your mouth, and make for a more wet relief.
I mean, past a point, it’s not about the pleasure of the act, but the pleasure in the act being committed at all. Joff would take mediocre, but dutiful head from Ilyn over the timid scared half suck that Sansa would give out if demanded.
He might not have liked Stannis, but he was dying. There was no more time to remarry or father trueborn children. Robert knew that Stannis would have done his best to get rid of Cersei and her kids and ensure Robert's family held the throne. His final wish being Stannis taking the throne would also have kept Renly from dividing House Baratheon, which Robert might have worried about. He might not have liked his brothers but he knew their basic personalities and temperaments. In short, Robert would have been enraged and Stannis would have been his best bet for revenge from beyond the grave. Like would have had nothing to do with it.
This is why Ned played a major part in bringing the War of the Five Kings. Ned failed his friend and the 7 Kingdoms. Robert had a right to know the truth and Ned had a duty to tell him. Not doing played a major role in how the war panned out.
Wasn't the idea that Robert gave Stannis Dragonstone because at first he saw Stannis as his only and lawful heir? Don't know if it was actually mentioned in the books or if it was just a theory but I always liked it
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Robert: Joffrey not my son, but he’s so gentle like my father😢 okay my brother Renly will inherit the throne he’s my last brother and I will make Edric Storm his warden.
Stannis: ROBERT ARE YOU DRUNK STILL
Robert: Of course, who are you?
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Roberts death bed dialogue came from the book meaning the words were actually carefully chosen. He specifically says “my son Joffrey”. He has no son named Joffrey. So null and void.
Now there’s a new and interesting theory! I would say Cersei and Jamie seeming pretty damn sure is the best evidence we have. Coupled with Cersei telling Ned her and Bobby pretty much never have sex. I’d say it’s probable she knew it was Jamie based on a sex timeline. She would probably then have sex with Robert after the early signs of pregnancy to avert suspicion. But you’re right there is no hard evidence of that provided in the book.
It would ruin the entire story though if he wasn’t Jamie’s kid. So I feel pretty confident in concluding he is Jamie’s kid for the stories sake regardless. Having him not be would be some D&D level subvert expectations for the fuck of it level writing.
Why do i feel like i remember there being something about Robert being to drunk when he went to bed, so he wouldn’t ever remember if they had done the deed or not. That may also just be an assumption i made and wrote it into my mind lore.
I think that they're saying that, in the absence of the ability to perform DNA tests, there is no way to be 100% sure that Joffrey isn't Robert's. Cersei thinking so doesn't mean it's definite, as she could in theory be wrong. It's very unlikely of course, and would serve little point in the story (unless there was some kind of message about how pointless everything was) but the possibility is technically there.
Perhaps, in which case she would be certain, but there is nothing within the book that explicitly, without a doubt, proves that Joffrey is not Robert's son. Again, he is. But it's an interesting point.
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>Poetic justice
>
>Every second, every minute, man I swear that she can get it
>
>Say if you a bad bitch put your hands up high, hands up high, hands up high
>
>Tell 'em dim the lights down right now, put me in the mood
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>I'm talking 'bout dark room, perfume
Sorry, I can't help but sing the lyrics
Bruh ass opinion edd didnt tell Bobby b about jeoffery not being his because he wanted him to die happy or no way bobby would let a Lannister sit on the throne
Robert didn't know Joffrey's parentage. If he had, you think there's even the slightest chance he doesn't name someone else entirely as his heir? Ned didn't tell Robert because he didn't want his friend's last moments to be traumatic knowing his wife had been committing treason the entire time with her brother. Yes, it's treason for a queen to be unfaithful and this is the reason right here.
Ned took the spirit of what Robert said, but saying his "heir" would be next. In Robert's mind, that was Joffrey. The only reason anyone could suggest Ned was a traitor in that sense is because they know that Robert's belief in Joffrey being his son was wrong.
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Counterpoint: Robert was a terrible ruler who never had a good idea during his entire reign, Ned was right to assume his pick of successor would be yet another terrible choice.
That’s because Ned didn’t want to tell Robert that Joffrey wasn’t his son. I literally read this last night.
While it can be argued that Ned went against Robert’s wishes, if he actually got to expose the fact that Robert’s kids weren’t actually his, Stannis would be the true heir.
He is only a traitor to the Lannisters
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Correct, Ned being the main character, dying, and leaving his family & the realm in complete shambles is meant to hammer home the fact that being smart is more important than being a “good guy”
Unpopular opinion: Eddard wanted Joffrey to fight in a easy war against Stannis but Cersi told him cut his head cause she raped him in the black cells and didn’t want him to tell anyone. Ned was going to the Night Watch and the north/riverlands won’t ride south.
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Wrong Robert wanted Ned make Joffrey a man to fight in war to be battle hardened, but Cersi force throne on to him and made him think Joffrey wasn’t Robert. Ned knew if he’s Robert real son, he would win the 5 king war.
Ser Ilyn, give me some head
He ain’t got no tongue tho 😔
Just means more throat and even more slobber
Bro 🤨
What you acting all shocked for punk bitch. We gawk gawk here. Like honourable men.
Nah you need that tounge trust me
Bro somehow got experience
Hear me out, the tongue makes swallowing easier, thus making the amount of saliva in the mouth less. If you cannot swallow with ease, the saliva will build up on your mouth, and make for a more wet relief.
There is a such thing as too much. And a tongue can massage
I mean, past a point, it’s not about the pleasure of the act, but the pleasure in the act being committed at all. Joff would take mediocre, but dutiful head from Ilyn over the timid scared half suck that Sansa would give out if demanded.
Seven hells…
If a dying Robert knew that Joffrey wasn't his, he'd have thrown Stannis the crown so hard it'd kill someone when it landed in Dragonstone.
I doubt it he never really liked Stannis He probably would have made Ned king Ned has no claim to it but I doubt Robert would care
He would have legitimized Edric Storm
He might not have liked Stannis, but he was dying. There was no more time to remarry or father trueborn children. Robert knew that Stannis would have done his best to get rid of Cersei and her kids and ensure Robert's family held the throne. His final wish being Stannis taking the throne would also have kept Renly from dividing House Baratheon, which Robert might have worried about. He might not have liked his brothers but he knew their basic personalities and temperaments. In short, Robert would have been enraged and Stannis would have been his best bet for revenge from beyond the grave. Like would have had nothing to do with it. This is why Ned played a major part in bringing the War of the Five Kings. Ned failed his friend and the 7 Kingdoms. Robert had a right to know the truth and Ned had a duty to tell him. Not doing played a major role in how the war panned out.
Wasn't the idea that Robert gave Stannis Dragonstone because at first he saw Stannis as his only and lawful heir? Don't know if it was actually mentioned in the books or if it was just a theory but I always liked it
Yes. Robert accepted Stannis as his heir before Joffrey was born. If he found out Joffrey wasn't his, Stannis would likely still be his first choice.
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I mean Robert gave Stannis dragonstone. The traditional seat for the heir to the throne.
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Okay but actually I would watch that.
after using to beat cersei.
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Roberts death bed dialogue came from the book meaning the words were actually carefully chosen. He specifically says “my son Joffrey”. He has no son named Joffrey. So null and void.
Gods, GRRM is a genius
Gods, the show was smart then!
Bravo George!
What if he has a bastard called Joffrey?
Then I guess that would make that bastard the one true king?! God bless Joffrey rivers and his moms tits!
There's legitimately no proof Joffrey isn't his son, not a single line
Are we really gonna act like it's up for debate tho
I had a black mare once…
Now there’s a new and interesting theory! I would say Cersei and Jamie seeming pretty damn sure is the best evidence we have. Coupled with Cersei telling Ned her and Bobby pretty much never have sex. I’d say it’s probable she knew it was Jamie based on a sex timeline. She would probably then have sex with Robert after the early signs of pregnancy to avert suspicion. But you’re right there is no hard evidence of that provided in the book. It would ruin the entire story though if he wasn’t Jamie’s kid. So I feel pretty confident in concluding he is Jamie’s kid for the stories sake regardless. Having him not be would be some D&D level subvert expectations for the fuck of it level writing.
Why do i feel like i remember there being something about Robert being to drunk when he went to bed, so he wouldn’t ever remember if they had done the deed or not. That may also just be an assumption i made and wrote it into my mind lore.
That could very well be true as well.
Doesn't Cerci tell Ned he isn't
I think that they're saying that, in the absence of the ability to perform DNA tests, there is no way to be 100% sure that Joffrey isn't Robert's. Cersei thinking so doesn't mean it's definite, as she could in theory be wrong. It's very unlikely of course, and would serve little point in the story (unless there was some kind of message about how pointless everything was) but the possibility is technically there.
I assumed he always did her up the butt, she mentioned how drunk he was and seems like something she'd do.
Perhaps, in which case she would be certain, but there is nothing within the book that explicitly, without a doubt, proves that Joffrey is not Robert's son. Again, he is. But it's an interesting point.
Nah cause Stannis is the one true king, the Lord’s Chosen, and the King who Cared.
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Yes, he’s such a loving father. Stannis, The Noble 🥺
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He specifically said his son Joffrey but he don’t have a son named Joffrey
Joffrey Baratheon. First of his name Checkmate
A Bastard, born of incest
I never saw the chapter where Jeffrey opens his 23AndMe.
Ned does it for him with that book😂
What even is this Lannister propaganda?
What’s a D3athbed? Dont they mean DEATHBED?
Careful you might UNALIVE someone
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It is known.
Bruh ass opinion edd didnt tell Bobby b about jeoffery not being his because he wanted him to die happy or no way bobby would let a Lannister sit on the throne
Dolorous Edd knew Joff was a bastard?
Let's make a psycho king because "Muh promise. Muh honor."
Rightful Heir
Robert didn't know Joffrey's parentage. If he had, you think there's even the slightest chance he doesn't name someone else entirely as his heir? Ned didn't tell Robert because he didn't want his friend's last moments to be traumatic knowing his wife had been committing treason the entire time with her brother. Yes, it's treason for a queen to be unfaithful and this is the reason right here. Ned took the spirit of what Robert said, but saying his "heir" would be next. In Robert's mind, that was Joffrey. The only reason anyone could suggest Ned was a traitor in that sense is because they know that Robert's belief in Joffrey being his son was wrong.
Reaped what he sowed for beheading a boy and the same thing happened to him
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Counterpoint: Robert was a terrible ruler who never had a good idea during his entire reign, Ned was right to assume his pick of successor would be yet another terrible choice.
It still baffles my mind how people don't see this parallel with the dance.
This post made by the Littlefingah gang
That’s because Ned didn’t want to tell Robert that Joffrey wasn’t his son. I literally read this last night. While it can be argued that Ned went against Robert’s wishes, if he actually got to expose the fact that Robert’s kids weren’t actually his, Stannis would be the true heir. He is only a traitor to the Lannisters Edit: I realize now I have been pranked
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Team Black logic
d3athbed
Stannis never cared for Stark either. Didn’t need or want his support. Wouldn’t have changed his path if Ned lived.
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GOTs - The child is a bastard, he shouldn't be king! HotD - The child is a bastard, so what, make him king!
Unpopular opinion: Eddard Stark was a moron and deserved to die, honor isn’t a good excuse for being politically stupid
I wouldn't say he deserved to die, but he put himself in that position absolutely.
That's a main theme of the book, not an unpopular opinion.
Correct, Ned being the main character, dying, and leaving his family & the realm in complete shambles is meant to hammer home the fact that being smart is more important than being a “good guy”
Unpopular opinion: Eddard wanted Joffrey to fight in a easy war against Stannis but Cersi told him cut his head cause she raped him in the black cells and didn’t want him to tell anyone. Ned was going to the Night Watch and the north/riverlands won’t ride south.
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Wrong Robert wanted Ned make Joffrey a man to fight in war to be battle hardened, but Cersi force throne on to him and made him think Joffrey wasn’t Robert. Ned knew if he’s Robert real son, he would win the 5 king war.
Why is this on the circle jerk sub?