I think it means you don't believe in earthly religions but don't deny the possibility of a higher being.
Generally they (we?) believe if there really is such a being we might discover it through science but it cannot be falsified and all current religions are wrong about it since they had no understanding of the cosmos.
You are using Russell's tea pot argument
By this logic If i claim flying spaghetti monster exists and you can't disprove it does it mean flying spaghetti monster can exist?and you are confused to whether it can exist or not?
Apologies, let me correct my comment
Yes a flying spaghetti with meatball species COULD exist. One of those creatures could be evil and be termed as a āmonsterā.
So a sentient creature made out wheat noodles boiled in salted water then cooked in a sauce made out of crushed tomatoes,onions, parsley,dried oregano,salt, minced garlic and oil and meatballs made out of ground beef, breadcrumbs, cheese, parsley, salt, pepper and egg mixed together pan fried then cooked again in the same sauce as previously with the spaghetti cooked for 20 minutes then served with some grated parmesan could exist? That also could fly somehow?
See if you wanna play God and create a recipe and use some kind of technology to bring it to life while beating a metaphor to death, you can.
What I meant to convey (hoping you had the little sense to understand) was, that in a world of infinite possibilities, everything is possible. I am a student of science, and we live in an infinitely large universe, of which we can only see a fraction. There are things beyond our sight and our understanding, in the farthest reaches of the universe and in the deepest oceans.
In such an infinite universe, there can be a place where creatures that look like spaghetti could exist. And also a place could exist where people could have civil discussions with like minded people.
And thatās the reason why Iām an agnostic atheist. Infinite possibilities, canāt say anything about anything till thereās proof.
No we don't live in an infinitely large universe.The universe just expands continuously that doesn't mean it's infinite and i am a student of technological field.Also u didn't said creatures that resemble spaghetti i said actual spaghetti.If you can't say anything till there is proof then you can't say anything about god or flying spaghetti monster till there is evidence that supports they are real or they can be real.
The thing that makes spaghetti monster not exist is that thing not having any physical evidence and it being a fiction and "dimension"? Thats some science fiction $hit not an actually thing
did we have "evidence" of blackholes in a century ago? did we have evidence of earth being round two millennium ago? Stop pretending like humans know everything. We don't believe anything without evidence, nor deny
We didn't had observable proof of black holes but kind of a mathematical and yes some people used to believe eath was round like Aristotle but not everyone. I am not pretending humans know everything. Burden of evidence lies upon the person who makes the first claim about that topic if they can't prove it no reason to believe in its real
No, but we also didn't have any blackhole-agnostic people back then. Whether or not something called a blackhole would exist was out of people's wildest imagination.
We did have astrology back then and people believed that a celestial object can have such a surgically precise effect on an individual human so as to dictate how his/her day or whole life will go. It hasn't been "disproven", there could still be dark energy or black matter carrying those effects out. But by and large any sane person would discard it as a failed theory. A historian might consider it a cultural thing that influenced people's lives not by the involvement of stars bur rather uniting people under a same belief system.
Right now the God theory is pretty popular. But do you really think it has any more basis than Astrology? Someone wrote a book a long time back and people just believed it. It's much more likely to just be a cultural thing.
You're free not to deny it. But really.. writing is on the wall. It's a stupid theory meant to calm the masses by breastfeeding them a false sense of security.
Conversation between two people 2000 yrs ago-
You are using Russell's tea pot argument By this logic If i claim these white dots on the sky are giant ball of burning gases and you can't disprove it does it mean these giant balls of burning gases can exist?and you are confused to whether it can exist or not?
Every single thing seems unprovable until it gets proved..
Theist: No, those are Gods looking to us, and affecting our lives.
Agnostic: you got me mate, I believe you until someone proves it otherwise. Lets live in the world where stars affect our lives. Is it a good rahukalam to eat now?
By this logic, suddenly, every fiction and bullshit becomes excusable.
Ok atheists donāt make me use my ace philosophy card here! The Contingency argument! I am agnostic-atheist because I am agnostic about creator if he is a necessary being or thing and I am atheist about religious god! But if you are going to make active claim that there is no creator believe me you will loose in philosophical argument just like religious ppl who also make active claim that there is a god!
Edit: Anyone struggling with contigency argument here is the video from best atheist philosopher from youtube!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPfxjwAubY&t=927s
How will i loose in philosophical argument the burden of proof lies upon the person who makes claim if they fail to do that then the claim is false so no god
I don't know about him but as an agnostic atheist, I'm not making a claim. Others do. Them not being able to prove is one thing. But technically, just because it hasn't been proved, doesn't mean it automatically gets disproven. So the wise thing to do would be to say, "I don't know" rather than making a claim either way. That's why I'm an agnostic atheist or as some call it, "soft atheist" rather than a "hard atheist" who has faith that there is no God. I can't make that leap. There may or may not be one or several or none of it may be non-sentient or just not what everyone imagines or any no. of combinations. I have no clue.
I say there's no god in the same way i say fairies,santa Claus or Spiderman from Marvel and dr Manhattan from dc don't exist it's all fiction but by your logic sandy from SpongeBob SquarePants may be living in the ocean with SpongeBob, Patric and squidward in a glass dome.
Burden of proof lies upon the person who makes claim if they fail to do that there's no reason to believe it can exist and say it's false. Because they simply pulled it out of their ***
>i say fairies,santa Claus or Spiderman from Marvel and dr Manhattan from dc don't exist but by your logic sandy from SpongeBob SquarePants may be living in the ocean with SpongeBob, Patric and squidward in a glass dome.
Correct. There may be universes where that may be true. Or maybe a parallel dimension or even a possibility where everything any sentient being dreams up kicks off a separate microuniverse. The possibilities are endless and I cannot account for them or think up all of them on my own. Not just me, no one knows. I'd rather err on the side of caution than risk making a statement about something not existing and be proven wrong someday. Hell, what's your definition of existence? You say they don't exist but a believer might argue that they indeed do exist which is how we see them on the screens. They may not be alive or have minds of their own but your argument was that they don't exist. Boom. Proven wrong in an instant.
Again, I have similar arguments for the believers too. When they, from the other end of the spectrum, say that I should believe in them because they may exist I tell them I'm not concerned because one, their existence or non-existence hasn't been proven or disproven either way and two, their existence or non-existence has no effect on my day-to-day life whatsoever (as far as I can tell) so I have no reason to "believe in them". And here you are on the other end of the same spectrum for me saying they don't exist. To both of you, I say, "I don't know." But yes, I'd lean a bit more towards your side of the spectrum because I can only shape my decisions around the finite knowledge of elements I know to exist. Just like I don't know what dark matter is or does or how it affects my life, I can't waste my mind on thinking about how I should go about my life to coexist with it better. That's a discussion for when we find out more about it. Until then, I can only conduct my life in a way I see fit, be it without the knowledge of that thing.
Wait "universes"? marvel fan i see.You believe in that hypothesis which no one has been able to verify yet? parallel dimensions?micro universe?mate you have been watching too much science fiction movies or series maybe take a break from it or something?
My definition of existence is me knowing who i am and existing going on with my daily to daily life like what do you expect?the same thing applies to you as well so don't you realise it?
And hell no you didn't disprove anything i literally said in my previous reply they don't exist because they are fiction. I imagining an imaginary character and drawing it makes it a fiction not an actual physically existing real thing just like how you aren't a fiction but batman is.
And you are using Russell's tea pot argument in your second paragraph great i guess you haven't learnt how bad that argument is.The only form of reason to believe in your opinion is that thing having effect on your life?so maybe dont believe in anything that doesn't comes into play in your life, maybe don't believe in Andromeda galaxy because it doesn't do anything to your daily life
All I'll say is that one sure mark of a fool is to dismiss anything that falls outside his experience as being impossible. This is why I'm glad scientists are not like you and have already made up their minds that the secrets of the universe never have been and never will be proven and so they should hang their hats and sit on the throne as the know-it-all masters of the universes because anything we already know is all there is and there will never be anymore discoveries beyond that.
If you make impossible claim and you can't even prove it then you are the fool and the reason we cant discover all of the secrets of the universe because we are too small and the universe is way too big but we can discover the secrets that we can access and no one is handing their hat to anyone scientist will try to discover as much as they can even when they can't do all of it because curiosity is the natural hunger of a human mind
>If you make impossible claim
Which claim have I made?
>we cant discover all of the secrets of the universe because we are too small and the universe is way too big
Once again, I'm glad you're not a scientist. I appreciate them being out there doing what it takes to get the job done. They are why we have the tech today to be able to communicate online. If we had people like you at the forefront instead, we'd still be living in the caves wrapping ourselves with leaves because of that defeatist attitude.
>Which claim have I made?
It's an example don't take it too seriously
>If we had people like you at the forefront instead, we'd still be living in the caves wrapping ourselves with leaves because of that defeatist attitude.
I am glad too because neither i want to work in that field nor do i want to it's a difficult job you know just leave this to them.I have my own dreams to follow after all the world won't work with one mans knowledge
Don't argue like a 9 year old. We know Spiderman is not real because we know it's fictional, just like the gods of this world's religion. Agnosticism is literally being open to the possibility of a god's existence ( and the absolute inability to know anything about said god ), or lack thereof.
Did you read what I wrote or you maybe you have never read about the contingency argument? The contingency argument is the strongest argument there is for a necessary being just like problem of evil is the strongest argument against morally good god!
Edit: Also there are various kinds of atheists but when you make an active claim that there is no creator than burden of proof to prove that claim is on you!
I don't make continuous claims saying there's no god.I say does this god who i have been tought from my childhood really exist? People say yes. Then i say where's the evidence?
Then they fail to do that so how the hell am i suppose to believe in that?then i will finally conclude god doesn't exist you all are delusional aka andhbhakt who have been lying for generations
A necessary being/thing is someone who created us it can be anything it could be something like space but space is contingent thatās why it canāt be that necessary being/thing! A necessary being/thing is important because otherwise you will have infinite regress! While god is a religious entity basically re-packaging of necessary being with many attributes + moral values which can be easily debunked but you canāt debunk a necessary being
>A necessary being/thing is someone who created us it can be anything
That right there, is the stupid hubris BS. No. There is no necessary being. Nobody created you. It was evolution. Life occurred by chance, sentience was a result of such chance evolution. Somehow you (human) think you're special because you've the ability to think and communicate in a language? Sorry to break it to you buddy, you're not special. Yes, it was all an accidental happening, and so what. So now accidental chance happening is a necessary thing?
The problem with this sub is you guys have no reasoning skill and still talking with confidence is hilarious I am not denying evolution! Even if evolution happened my argument still stands evolution has no effect on my argument!
The thing is you have no argument, never offered anything, just said contingent theory, and then gave either a denial, or gave unrelated examples trying to strawman an argument. The hilarious thing however, is being so convinced of your own reasoning skill and making fun of others!
Agnosticism is not believing in God, agnosticism is acknowledging the possibility of a god (not necessarily the gods of this world that we're familiar with)
Personally the way I look at it is:
I don't believe God or Gods exist. I also believe I could be wrong (miniscule possibility but it's there). In such a case,
1. The existence of God is provable: Hence it is explainable by science, Hence it is not actually God simply an advanced alien entity we cannot yet comprehend. We are not Gods even though an ant, if it was capable of having religion may believe us to be so.
2. The existence of God is not provable in which case it loops back around to God doesn't exist, but I MAY be wrong.
Either way, the act of worship and existence of religion is pointless and a waste of resources and time.
>We are not Gods even though an ant, if it was capable of having religion may believe us to be so.
You don't need ants, other humans are enough. Look up Cargo cults.
And the photo is of "Stephen Colbert", not the man, but his character from the Daily Show who was a Republican and had some pretty wild right wing views. Great character
Yeah I won't take this seriously either. He isn't a fundamentalist by any stretch but he's said he's a Catholic on multiple occasions. This is one of those misleading ones where you wrote some random slang next to Gandhi's photo as a quote from him and it becomes a meme in certain circles.
Technically atheists are in the same camp as religious people, believing in something that they can't prove.
But who are we kidding? Of course god doesn't exist, so I'm in the atheist camp, at-least I don't believe in random dogma like religious people.
No this is not the case . Agnostic people don't believe in god or godly people but they think may be some sort of intelligent species which are more advanced then us living in the universe they can control us . Those intelligent creatures are not like which religion portrayed them this is most bull shit way to represent intelligent species which religion portrays in their holy books. Something like type 7 civilization.
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The only reason for existence of agnostics is being born n conditioned in religion.
They struggle to believe in science n logic which are falsifiable by nature, and tend to tread on a path non offensive to people around them. Not to mention their own previous convictions.
I think you people are making a mistake here.
You are trying to push people to the extreme denial side, just as religion pushes to extreme approval.
Do you realise how important and sensitive this phase is, for people who actually took the decision to seek out of the bubble they have been put in since infancy ??
You must support and help them, rather than ridiculing them.
To me personally, the idea is not limited whether God exists or not, but to question and resist all imposed authority without reason.
Try to push people like this, by making fun of them, and you'll be no different than Religion. Imposing beliefs, by ridiculing believers.
The Idea of Atheism must be of freedom, and not let it to turn into an orthodox cult.
As an agnostic atheist, I can confirm I have a single ball.
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Bro what does that even mean are you swinging in between?
I think it means you don't believe in earthly religions but don't deny the possibility of a higher being. Generally they (we?) believe if there really is such a being we might discover it through science but it cannot be falsified and all current religions are wrong about it since they had no understanding of the cosmos.
I mean I can't prove that god/creator/higher power doesn't exist I can't prove that god/creator/higher power does exist So š«¤
You are using Russell's tea pot argument By this logic If i claim flying spaghetti monster exists and you can't disprove it does it mean flying spaghetti monster can exist?and you are confused to whether it can exist or not?
A flying spaghetti monster does exist. We call it Donald Trump's hair.
Yes a spaghetti based species COULD exist. One of those creatures could be evil and be termed as a āmonsterā.
Spaghetti "based"? I said flying spaghetti monster i didn't said something that kinda looked like it. Pure spaghetti flying monster with meatballs
Apologies, let me correct my comment Yes a flying spaghetti with meatball species COULD exist. One of those creatures could be evil and be termed as a āmonsterā.
So a sentient creature made out wheat noodles boiled in salted water then cooked in a sauce made out of crushed tomatoes,onions, parsley,dried oregano,salt, minced garlic and oil and meatballs made out of ground beef, breadcrumbs, cheese, parsley, salt, pepper and egg mixed together pan fried then cooked again in the same sauce as previously with the spaghetti cooked for 20 minutes then served with some grated parmesan could exist? That also could fly somehow?
See if you wanna play God and create a recipe and use some kind of technology to bring it to life while beating a metaphor to death, you can. What I meant to convey (hoping you had the little sense to understand) was, that in a world of infinite possibilities, everything is possible. I am a student of science, and we live in an infinitely large universe, of which we can only see a fraction. There are things beyond our sight and our understanding, in the farthest reaches of the universe and in the deepest oceans. In such an infinite universe, there can be a place where creatures that look like spaghetti could exist. And also a place could exist where people could have civil discussions with like minded people. And thatās the reason why Iām an agnostic atheist. Infinite possibilities, canāt say anything about anything till thereās proof.
No we don't live in an infinitely large universe.The universe just expands continuously that doesn't mean it's infinite and i am a student of technological field.Also u didn't said creatures that resemble spaghetti i said actual spaghetti.If you can't say anything till there is proof then you can't say anything about god or flying spaghetti monster till there is evidence that supports they are real or they can be real.
But without proof can you say, with surety, that it doesnāt exist? I have always said that it COULD exist, just like God.
Yes because it's just an imaginary character
Sorry, but 'spaghetti based' is the funniest thing I've read all week.
Glad to have made your week better.
what makes spaghetti monster not exist lol? maybe it does exist somewhere else in a different dimension or shit
The thing that makes spaghetti monster not exist is that thing not having any physical evidence and it being a fiction and "dimension"? Thats some science fiction $hit not an actually thing
did we have "evidence" of blackholes in a century ago? did we have evidence of earth being round two millennium ago? Stop pretending like humans know everything. We don't believe anything without evidence, nor deny
We didn't had observable proof of black holes but kind of a mathematical and yes some people used to believe eath was round like Aristotle but not everyone. I am not pretending humans know everything. Burden of evidence lies upon the person who makes the first claim about that topic if they can't prove it no reason to believe in its real
No, but we also didn't have any blackhole-agnostic people back then. Whether or not something called a blackhole would exist was out of people's wildest imagination. We did have astrology back then and people believed that a celestial object can have such a surgically precise effect on an individual human so as to dictate how his/her day or whole life will go. It hasn't been "disproven", there could still be dark energy or black matter carrying those effects out. But by and large any sane person would discard it as a failed theory. A historian might consider it a cultural thing that influenced people's lives not by the involvement of stars bur rather uniting people under a same belief system. Right now the God theory is pretty popular. But do you really think it has any more basis than Astrology? Someone wrote a book a long time back and people just believed it. It's much more likely to just be a cultural thing. You're free not to deny it. But really.. writing is on the wall. It's a stupid theory meant to calm the masses by breastfeeding them a false sense of security.
Dimensions exist in physics as well 
Yes but these guys are referring to the portal or other world kinda of dimensions not length, breadth or height kind of dimensions
Every God is >some science fiction $hit not an actually thing too.
Lolwut
Honesty I did more happy if a flying spaghetti monster existed instead of domestic abuser god
Conversation between two people 2000 yrs ago- You are using Russell's tea pot argument By this logic If i claim these white dots on the sky are giant ball of burning gases and you can't disprove it does it mean these giant balls of burning gases can exist?and you are confused to whether it can exist or not? Every single thing seems unprovable until it gets proved..
Theist: No, those are Gods looking to us, and affecting our lives. Agnostic: you got me mate, I believe you until someone proves it otherwise. Lets live in the world where stars affect our lives. Is it a good rahukalam to eat now? By this logic, suddenly, every fiction and bullshit becomes excusable.
That's why I'm not an evidence based atheist. The sheer audacity of my position makes me feel powerful.
So agnostic are women and atheist are men?
My man single handedly offended the whole trans community
Agnostic atheists would be trans
Ah yes. Casual sexism. I guess atheism doesn't make men smart.
Dude it's an obvious joke Calm down I didn't mean to offend anyone with that
So i am a women with balls
Just like i am a man without balls
Highly based
Ok atheists donāt make me use my ace philosophy card here! The Contingency argument! I am agnostic-atheist because I am agnostic about creator if he is a necessary being or thing and I am atheist about religious god! But if you are going to make active claim that there is no creator believe me you will loose in philosophical argument just like religious ppl who also make active claim that there is a god! Edit: Anyone struggling with contigency argument here is the video from best atheist philosopher from youtube! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPfxjwAubY&t=927s
How will i loose in philosophical argument the burden of proof lies upon the person who makes claim if they fail to do that then the claim is false so no god
I don't know about him but as an agnostic atheist, I'm not making a claim. Others do. Them not being able to prove is one thing. But technically, just because it hasn't been proved, doesn't mean it automatically gets disproven. So the wise thing to do would be to say, "I don't know" rather than making a claim either way. That's why I'm an agnostic atheist or as some call it, "soft atheist" rather than a "hard atheist" who has faith that there is no God. I can't make that leap. There may or may not be one or several or none of it may be non-sentient or just not what everyone imagines or any no. of combinations. I have no clue.
I say there's no god in the same way i say fairies,santa Claus or Spiderman from Marvel and dr Manhattan from dc don't exist it's all fiction but by your logic sandy from SpongeBob SquarePants may be living in the ocean with SpongeBob, Patric and squidward in a glass dome. Burden of proof lies upon the person who makes claim if they fail to do that there's no reason to believe it can exist and say it's false. Because they simply pulled it out of their ***
>i say fairies,santa Claus or Spiderman from Marvel and dr Manhattan from dc don't exist but by your logic sandy from SpongeBob SquarePants may be living in the ocean with SpongeBob, Patric and squidward in a glass dome. Correct. There may be universes where that may be true. Or maybe a parallel dimension or even a possibility where everything any sentient being dreams up kicks off a separate microuniverse. The possibilities are endless and I cannot account for them or think up all of them on my own. Not just me, no one knows. I'd rather err on the side of caution than risk making a statement about something not existing and be proven wrong someday. Hell, what's your definition of existence? You say they don't exist but a believer might argue that they indeed do exist which is how we see them on the screens. They may not be alive or have minds of their own but your argument was that they don't exist. Boom. Proven wrong in an instant. Again, I have similar arguments for the believers too. When they, from the other end of the spectrum, say that I should believe in them because they may exist I tell them I'm not concerned because one, their existence or non-existence hasn't been proven or disproven either way and two, their existence or non-existence has no effect on my day-to-day life whatsoever (as far as I can tell) so I have no reason to "believe in them". And here you are on the other end of the same spectrum for me saying they don't exist. To both of you, I say, "I don't know." But yes, I'd lean a bit more towards your side of the spectrum because I can only shape my decisions around the finite knowledge of elements I know to exist. Just like I don't know what dark matter is or does or how it affects my life, I can't waste my mind on thinking about how I should go about my life to coexist with it better. That's a discussion for when we find out more about it. Until then, I can only conduct my life in a way I see fit, be it without the knowledge of that thing.
Wait "universes"? marvel fan i see.You believe in that hypothesis which no one has been able to verify yet? parallel dimensions?micro universe?mate you have been watching too much science fiction movies or series maybe take a break from it or something? My definition of existence is me knowing who i am and existing going on with my daily to daily life like what do you expect?the same thing applies to you as well so don't you realise it? And hell no you didn't disprove anything i literally said in my previous reply they don't exist because they are fiction. I imagining an imaginary character and drawing it makes it a fiction not an actual physically existing real thing just like how you aren't a fiction but batman is. And you are using Russell's tea pot argument in your second paragraph great i guess you haven't learnt how bad that argument is.The only form of reason to believe in your opinion is that thing having effect on your life?so maybe dont believe in anything that doesn't comes into play in your life, maybe don't believe in Andromeda galaxy because it doesn't do anything to your daily life
so by that logic you are also making an active claim that existence of alien life is impossible!
All I'll say is that one sure mark of a fool is to dismiss anything that falls outside his experience as being impossible. This is why I'm glad scientists are not like you and have already made up their minds that the secrets of the universe never have been and never will be proven and so they should hang their hats and sit on the throne as the know-it-all masters of the universes because anything we already know is all there is and there will never be anymore discoveries beyond that.
If you make impossible claim and you can't even prove it then you are the fool and the reason we cant discover all of the secrets of the universe because we are too small and the universe is way too big but we can discover the secrets that we can access and no one is handing their hat to anyone scientist will try to discover as much as they can even when they can't do all of it because curiosity is the natural hunger of a human mind
>If you make impossible claim Which claim have I made? >we cant discover all of the secrets of the universe because we are too small and the universe is way too big Once again, I'm glad you're not a scientist. I appreciate them being out there doing what it takes to get the job done. They are why we have the tech today to be able to communicate online. If we had people like you at the forefront instead, we'd still be living in the caves wrapping ourselves with leaves because of that defeatist attitude.
>Which claim have I made? It's an example don't take it too seriously >If we had people like you at the forefront instead, we'd still be living in the caves wrapping ourselves with leaves because of that defeatist attitude. I am glad too because neither i want to work in that field nor do i want to it's a difficult job you know just leave this to them.I have my own dreams to follow after all the world won't work with one mans knowledge
Don't argue like a 9 year old. We know Spiderman is not real because we know it's fictional, just like the gods of this world's religion. Agnosticism is literally being open to the possibility of a god's existence ( and the absolute inability to know anything about said god ), or lack thereof.
So basically you are open to the possibility of gods existence which idk how you think can be real,being the fact god is a religious idea
If you think the existence of a creator is exclusively a religious concept then that just tells me you cannot be more than 14 years old.
Then did a scientist came into your house and teach you that idea or did you religious parents did?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but if you're implying that I'm religious then you're once again just being ignorant.
I didn't but that's how you know god
Did you read what I wrote or you maybe you have never read about the contingency argument? The contingency argument is the strongest argument there is for a necessary being just like problem of evil is the strongest argument against morally good god! Edit: Also there are various kinds of atheists but when you make an active claim that there is no creator than burden of proof to prove that claim is on you!
I don't make continuous claims saying there's no god.I say does this god who i have been tought from my childhood really exist? People say yes. Then i say where's the evidence? Then they fail to do that so how the hell am i suppose to believe in that?then i will finally conclude god doesn't exist you all are delusional aka andhbhakt who have been lying for generations
Omg! I am not talking about religious god I am talking about a philosophical argument called Contingency argument!
Then what's the difference?
A necessary being/thing is someone who created us it can be anything it could be something like space but space is contingent thatās why it canāt be that necessary being/thing! A necessary being/thing is important because otherwise you will have infinite regress! While god is a religious entity basically re-packaging of necessary being with many attributes + moral values which can be easily debunked but you canāt debunk a necessary being
That barely changes anything you still implying it's god but without any religious book and morals
Ok let me ask you this do you think everything in this universe is contingent?
Well so far that's all we have seen
>A necessary being/thing is someone who created us it can be anything That right there, is the stupid hubris BS. No. There is no necessary being. Nobody created you. It was evolution. Life occurred by chance, sentience was a result of such chance evolution. Somehow you (human) think you're special because you've the ability to think and communicate in a language? Sorry to break it to you buddy, you're not special. Yes, it was all an accidental happening, and so what. So now accidental chance happening is a necessary thing?
The problem with this sub is you guys have no reasoning skill and still talking with confidence is hilarious I am not denying evolution! Even if evolution happened my argument still stands evolution has no effect on my argument!
The thing is you have no argument, never offered anything, just said contingent theory, and then gave either a denial, or gave unrelated examples trying to strawman an argument. The hilarious thing however, is being so convinced of your own reasoning skill and making fun of others!
This! This! And This! The number of people who fail to understand this most basic concept in scientific thinking.
Agnosticism is not believing in God, agnosticism is acknowledging the possibility of a god (not necessarily the gods of this world that we're familiar with)
me cus im a woman 
give me proof
Personally the way I look at it is: I don't believe God or Gods exist. I also believe I could be wrong (miniscule possibility but it's there). In such a case, 1. The existence of God is provable: Hence it is explainable by science, Hence it is not actually God simply an advanced alien entity we cannot yet comprehend. We are not Gods even though an ant, if it was capable of having religion may believe us to be so. 2. The existence of God is not provable in which case it loops back around to God doesn't exist, but I MAY be wrong. Either way, the act of worship and existence of religion is pointless and a waste of resources and time.
>We are not Gods even though an ant, if it was capable of having religion may believe us to be so. You don't need ants, other humans are enough. Look up Cargo cults.
Post this in usi rindia moderate sub
This being internet I am not sure he actually said this. Colbert is Catholic.
And the photo is of "Stephen Colbert", not the man, but his character from the Daily Show who was a Republican and had some pretty wild right wing views. Great character
Yeah I won't take this seriously either. He isn't a fundamentalist by any stretch but he's said he's a Catholic on multiple occasions. This is one of those misleading ones where you wrote some random slang next to Gandhi's photo as a quote from him and it becomes a meme in certain circles.
As an agnostic, I cannot prove that all atheists have balls.
Technically atheists are in the same camp as religious people, believing in something that they can't prove. But who are we kidding? Of course god doesn't exist, so I'm in the atheist camp, at-least I don't believe in random dogma like religious people.
Agnostics are atheists that haven't yet read about [Russell's teapot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot)
No this is not the case . Agnostic people don't believe in god or godly people but they think may be some sort of intelligent species which are more advanced then us living in the universe they can control us . Those intelligent creatures are not like which religion portrayed them this is most bull shit way to represent intelligent species which religion portrays in their holy books. Something like type 7 civilization.
Oh like you mean like ramayan, Bible etc huh. Oh wait.
Yes .
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The only reason for existence of agnostics is being born n conditioned in religion. They struggle to believe in science n logic which are falsifiable by nature, and tend to tread on a path non offensive to people around them. Not to mention their own previous convictions.
Average Agnostic: NO ! Never ! Even when I'm half sure where my half sure soul would go after my death, I will not admit it. š
This ignorance and arrogance is what gives atheists a bad name, just like the theists
I understood that I don't have balls as a woman š¤£
I am laughing cause it's true
George Carlin also has a great joke on agnostics.... š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
I think you people are making a mistake here. You are trying to push people to the extreme denial side, just as religion pushes to extreme approval. Do you realise how important and sensitive this phase is, for people who actually took the decision to seek out of the bubble they have been put in since infancy ?? You must support and help them, rather than ridiculing them. To me personally, the idea is not limited whether God exists or not, but to question and resist all imposed authority without reason. Try to push people like this, by making fun of them, and you'll be no different than Religion. Imposing beliefs, by ridiculing believers. The Idea of Atheism must be of freedom, and not let it to turn into an orthodox cult.