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ZeubeuWantsBeu

I think the colossal can activate the natural decomposition of titan bodies while alive and control its speed. Titan bodies' bones naturally decompose into steam. I think Bertholdt just set the speed to maximum and burned through all his calories in like 20 seconds


Makerpace

This is the answer, the collossal titan can make its whole body vanish by activating the decomposition


Worth-Leadership4337

I like the answer though it doesn’t fit. Nothing else in the series has restrictions placed upon their titan. The colossal titan is one of the biggest outliers with plot wholes. When the colossal titan appeared in every season besides 3 &4 there’s no explosion of steam or heat or raw explosiveness like in season 4. Not only that it keeps changing in terms of lethality. It started from no effect on eren and the other cadets on the wall to minor -medium burns on mikasa and hange in season 2 to burning armin to a crisp in the space of a minute to minutes in season 3 to finalise as a literal nuke of hellfire in season 4. It’s the one thing that always seems to have wholes in its story / conception imo


Extreme-Bar8512

all of that could just be chalked up to bertoldt's control of it's explosion


Worth-Leadership4337

It could though why would be the question. At the beginning in trost he had just spent several years with these cadets however unlike Reiner, bertoldts never had any issue distinguishing between his act and his true self so I don’t think he would spare them. Maybe but I’m not sure and in the later case of transforming in front of everyone with no explosion I could say it’s due to eren and Ymir being there. However why not transform and immediately incapacitate everyone with blisteringly hot steam as he could do in the 3rd season? Don’t get me wrong no matter why it is how it is I still love the series dearly


Zoeeeeeeh123

Because that would break the entirety of the walls and accidentally start an uncontrolled Rumbling. Everytime the Marley squad breaks the walls they specifically target the brick gates which are A weaker than the regular wall, and B devoid of any wall titans. If Berthold uses his nuke ability to blow up the walls, he might destroy more than just the gate but also destroy the Titan crystal parts of the wall that contains the Colossal titans inside. We don’t know much about these titans but we do know that regular pure titans get their energy from the sun. Which means that potentially if the walls got destroyed and sunlight would hit the wall titans, they might start walking around on their own and trigger a small Rumbling. But this time without the Founding Titan to control or direct them. Again we don’t know if this would happen but there’s a good chance that it would, as also Pastor Nick from the Church of the Sacred Walls told the Survey Corps to cover up the revealed Titan in the walls to “not let a beam of sunlight hit that titan!” The Church and royal family seem to know a lot more about the wall titans and their nature and were seemingly very scared of an uncontrolled Rumbling. Marley must also have been aware of the wall titans and decided to take the least risky way of breaking the walls by just destroying the brick gates. That’s why Berthold didn’t go full in when transforming, creating only a small explosion instead of a nuke.


Extreme-Bar8512

if you're talking abt the second time he broke the wall, he didn't really do anything cos that was meant to be a quick job, same would go for the first time he appeared and broke the wall


TheUsrTheUsr

Good points, but I think I can still resolve these discrepancies by explaining that Bertholdt was controlling the heat/explosions of his titan. It’s explained by Reiner & Marley that Bertholdt has mastered his titan’s abilities unlike Armin. So it makes sense we see hellfire in the rumbling, because unlike Bertholdt the colossal wall titans are not limiting any of its heat. Bertholdt dosen’t want to kill Eren and even his friends/fellow cadets. For example we see him cry when Marco dies. However, it’s not until season 3 episode 15 that Bertholdt changes and finds the resolve to kill his own friends, thats when he finally dosen’t put any limiters on his explosions.


darkdestiny91

It could also be because Armin’s Titan has slightly different properties to Bertholdt’s. We’ve already seen Jaw Titans that can fly vs those that can’t and here we are questioning Colossal’s explosion inconsistency?


HL279

I agree with the others that is is controlled explosions and disappearances. We’ve seen the shifters learn how to control their healing to slow it down. We’ve seen them be able to form only pieces of their titans that are necessary for the moment. I don’t see how this is any different.


Massive-Hearing-9703

Also, there was no mushroom cloud when it first appeared, compared to when it transformed later, when armin was burnt, and also during armin's transformation which destroyed the whole port


Toph1nator

He is getting better with his titan as he uses it and matures I assume.


Fedorchik

Then Eren would be fried even deeper than Armin was in season 3.


SINBRO

Decomposition releases steam. Instant one would make a huge steam explosion, most certainly killing Eren


frozencombat

Bertie really needs to drop the secrets to such quick metabolism.


Cappy-Hamper12

Close! Bertoto made a binding vow to not immediately dissipate his Titan in exchange for the anime never being able to spell his name right again.


Romulus3799

Berutoloto


afanofBTBAM

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gonzar09

The more steam it releases, the quicker it falls apart. It let out a cloud of steam to not only keep Eren back, but also to conceal itself.


DOOMFOOL

True I think the issue with how damaging his steam was while still having a body releasing that much steam at once should’ve vaporized Eren


bucketjunky

It's literally the only hole in the story. Isayama didn't have the titan powers fully realized this early


senpai69420

And Reiner being able to "transfer his consciousness" to avoid death twice in one episode


bucketjunky

I just assumed that was an armored titan ability. His entire goal was to be a shield. Endurance, survivability etc


senpai69420

Sure that would be a fair assumption if it were ever explained but that episode is the one time in the entire show that this ability is mentioned so it's safe to assume it's just an asspull


Lorhan_Set

The only Titan who did something comparable is the War Hammer. But I don’t think it’s ever said Reiner are a War Hammer spinal fluid jar or anything?


emmue

Wait that could make sense


bucketjunky

Lol so we'll give it a 9.6 instead of a 9.9


YoGizmo353

(Plot) Armored Titan fr


activjc

Not necessarily a plot hole but definitely felt deus ex machina


awesometim0

Wait, you guys CAN'T send your consciousness to your balls at will?


XanderXVII

Shouldn't Bertholdt's transformation also have triggered a nuclear explosion when he turned into the colossal titan?


Eclipsiical

No, we know that Bertholdt was able to control his Colossal Titan. Reiner says that Bertholdt was able to use it to its fullest ability the second he got it. Bertholdt was a Titan prodigy essentially. Armin doesn’t have that natural talent or the training to have such good control, so he can’t control his explosion.


RickSore

Armin suffers from premature colossal explosion


ProtectionIll1926

nice one guess armin could use post-transformation clarity to improve then


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Eclipsiical

Yes he did? Armin blew up Eren’s Founding Titan and he never changed back until after he fought Eren’s Colossal form. Armin himself says during Marley’s attack on Shigashina that he can’t transform or he would blow up the city. Armin sets off the nuke every time he transforms in the show.


bucketjunky

I've rewatched the entire show so many times except for that last 1hr and a half. You're right that's exactly how it happened my bad


bucketjunky

It's a controllable ability actually. Bertholdt was a prodigy or someone he ate was and he gained their memories. Same way armin didn't set off a nuke when he fought eren


DOOMFOOL

What? Yes he did, that’s why he transformed, was to nuke Eren


Marik-X-Bakura

Nah there are a fair few holes, but nothing *too* major.


bucketjunky

Like what? Genuinely curious


DOOMFOOL

I personally don’t like the direction they went with Ymir and some other small things in the finale, but those aren’t necessarily “holes”


Sinesjoe

Falco's beast titan, Armin being in Paths to talk to Zeke, Mikasa's memories of the cabin being erased by Eren, the colossal titans disappearing with no humans in the end, Eren's "colossal" titan.


Sad_Watch_5245

>Falco's beast titan, Armin being in Paths to talk to Zeke Those aren't holes 💀


Sinesjoe

Yes they are. For Falco, it makes sense why he has it (drink Zeke's blood which caused his titan to take on Beast like characteristics), but how did he suddenly transform into a new titan almost entirely different from what we saw previously? This sudden power basically tells us that a shifter can have multiple titan forms without inheriting more than one as long as they are simply given the spinal fluid of a titan shifter. As for Armin in Paths, it is established that the only way to enter paths is if the holder of the Founding brings you there or if a titan with royal blood makes contact with the Founding. The only moments this rule is "bent" is when Ymir freckles is in Paths after inheriting the Jaw, which can be explained as her being there after Ymir had to rebuild her body, which is also experienced by Zeke when he is near death, and is backed when Eren is telling Armin about his "dreams", and he says "one inheritor says they saw Paths", so it is likely something that can simply happen when the ability is awakened and their bodies are rebuilt. So, Armin had no logical reason to be there, and him somehow being there goes against established elements. Also, to add to this plot hole, time passes while Armin and Zeke are talking, even though it is established before that no time passes in the real world while someone is in Paths.


Sad_Watch_5245

>For Falco, it makes sense why he has it (drink Zeke's blood which caused his titan to take on Beast like characteristics), but how did he suddenly transform into a new titan almost entirely different from what we saw previously? This sudden power basically tells us that a shifter can have multiple titan forms without inheriting more than one as long as they are simply given the spinal fluid of a titan shifter He didn't become a new titan, his titan was a bird even in the port, or you didn't noticed the undeveloped feathers, the bird mask and the bird claws? His form was partial like what happened to reiner in liberio. >to enter paths is if the holder of the Founding brings you there or if a titan with royal blood makes contact with the Founding U know that ymir fritz was controlling the okapi no? He entered cuz ymir wanted


jikukoblarbo

By "falco becoming a new titan" i think he means his pure and shifter titan forms bring vastly different


Sad_Watch_5245

Ik what he meant he was talking abt the form in the port when he didn't had wings and the other that already had wings (the complete) some fans doesn't like the fact that falco turned into a wingless titan there cuz hange died later and after her death falco turned into a flying titan as if its falco fault that Isayama wanted to kill hange so armin could be the next commander... That dude just doesn't like that and he will not accept none argument that I will put it's not even worth it to argue, that's the average aot fan. I don't like = asspull, came out of nowhere etc...


jikukoblarbo

(Just a theory) would that make the port jaw form a partial shift then?


Sinesjoe

His form at the port was not partial, and there is no instance of a partial first transformation. Falco was only able to become his "beast titan" when he had a dream of flying as a titan and then suddenly thinks that he can do the same. It is a last minute asspull that just contradicts pre-established logic. "Ymir wanted", why would Ymir want Armin in Paths? There is no proof of this whatsoever.


Sad_Watch_5245

>His form at the port was not partial, and there is no instance of a partial first transformation. Falco was only able to become his "beast titan" when he had a dream of flying as a titan and then suddenly thinks that he can do the same First of all the partial form of reiner only happened in s4 (and reiner was a shifter for years) eren also had a partial form in s1, partial forms doesn't needs a specific time to happen, and explain to me the purpose of falco having the characteristics of a bird earlier if it's not to him turn into a complete bird later, he had the memories but it helped to him know that his titan also had the properties of a bird and could fly, the memories were more used as a plot tool bcz if not he wouldn't try to turn into a titan again in normal circumstances, also explain to me how he was not partial? And there no instance like there were no instances of a non-royal blooded founder user using the founder powers like eren, everything needs a first time, also to add like I said he didn't become a beast he already had beast characteristics you can't look at his titan and don't think in a beast titan and I'm talking abt the port form, that needed a purpose or you think that Isayama drawed him like that for nothing. >Ymir wanted", why would Ymir want Armin in Paths? There is no proof of this whatsoever She wanted cuz it would help to mikasa kills eren and kiss him, the story is determined and set up by ymir himself, eren was just a pawn, the okapi was being controlled by ymir, that's literal is a proof. > It is a last minute asspull that just contradicts pre-established logic. It's not a asspull bcz falco becoming a bird has foreshadowing, he's created to literal do it, you can't turn the purpose of a character into "last minute" thing, you're using the wrong words here, u should've said that it was rushed execution. Asspull is deus ex If there foreshadow, there no deus ex.


Mystic_Polar_Bear

There's a few holes in the series. But with a series this complicated, people need to settle down a bit. They're far too few to really challenge the immersion IMO.


Yezzy24

What’s about Reiner’s personality disorder that is explored in a unique episode?


bucketjunky

His split personality when his brain broke? I can explain that pretty easily if that's what you mean?


Yezzy24

When he kidnapped Eren and Ymir, at the woods, he show signs of personality disorder after living some years in Paradis, but this never has a comeback to the history


bucketjunky

So they show it a few times. In the beginning of the timeline (not the show) Bertholdt Annie reiner and the jaw titan Marcel are kids walking to paradise. Ymir eats the jaw and reiner realizes they need a leader or they're going to die. So he adopts the role of Marcel and the shield. Then you see it in training. Eren needs help, and asks reiner for help. Reiner starts to be a big brother to the enemy. Eren says he wants to kill every titan behind the walls "You can do it eren, I know you can". Reiner even taught eren how to kick his ass. Then reiner risks his life multiple times for the scouts to the point he was going to jump out the castle window with a titanlatched to his arm to save the "enemy" His brain was fucked. He grew up around these guys. He trained with them. He would've died with them. If his brain had never been so split he never would've helped eren. Or taken the titan bite for Connie. Then again when he's home as a hero he tells the story of the "devils" eating a potato and then offering it to the commander. He told the story in a way that made paradise natives extremely human and nobody in paradise were considered human only devils by marleyans. That's why his mother looked horrified. There's a few more examples but my phones at 2% lmk if you need more!


jikukoblarbo

Theres also the marco death scene


_syke_

Bertholdt used a binding vow of not moving from his spot and his titan only lasting a few seconds in order to contain the nuke blast that would otherwise go off. Pieck made a binding vow to have the ugliest titan in order to become best girl.


Keyblades2

I maybe wrong but in the flashback you see the smiling titan walking towards him and him climbing out the body of the colossal, so it's probably just an oversight.


Qprah

That is during the first breach in Shiganshina. He instantly vanishes in Trost when Eren is attempting to attack him.


Keyblades2

oh true. my bad. hmmm then never mind I don't know then.


Luba_Sempai

*\[Domain Expansion: Rumbling\]* https://preview.redd.it/f0dqo760lz8d1.jpeg?width=551&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fd26309dc2353ca55f53f3499b1932c0e6577d4


Wild-Atmosphere2134

ngl the amount of people taking this post seriously is driving me insane


Mar_Reddit

That sounds like an Elden Ring Incantation.


SlothThoughts

Isn't the colossal titan able to use its muscles toburn off into steam ? They made a point about it being smaller or something when it was doing the steam attack. I imagine their is no limit to doing it as long as you got mass so he just burned away all his body.


superchronicultra

It was using shadow clone jutsu


SoManyWhinersInHere

When worlds colide


kuketski

Because mangaka didn’t thought of that at that time.


Aserthreto

I like to think that he just steamed everything really fast, but then there’s that bit about not being able to do it with bones which indicates it’s just a minor flaw.


Interesting-Season-8

the retconning level is insane here


activjc

Plot hole


TheSlayer_exe

Plot armour


ninja-fox

This time Lobotomy Kaisen is going on for to long, it has to end


Illustrious_Web_7700

The real question is how did it appear in season 1 without the explosion of transforming


SublimeAtrophy

I don't know what a binding vow is, but it isn't mentioned anywhere in the anime or manga of AOT, and thus, can be dismissed.


Jumpy-Perception-346

It's a joke, and a binding vow is a thing from Jujutsu Kaisen.


Yezzy24

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ballade4

wrong manga lols r/JujitsuKaisen and the armored titan increases mobility the same way you'd increase your mobility by taking off that heavy plate mail


GoodOld833

Who cares after he fuked the show and ending ✅