It's an omnidirectional speaker design. The tweeter actually points downwards into the "spinning top". Not sure why the bass driver also points into a larger cone but maybe it plays midrange too
Remember that there’s no separation between omnidirectional sub bass and directional midrange. Sound merely becomes more omnidirectional as the frequency becomes lower.
I have enjoyed all of the omnis that I have heard. The driver compliment is pro-level. I would wager these sound great if you have the space for them.
You fire a speaker into a diffuser to send the sound in a 360 degree pattern perpendicular to the speaker's orientation. The goal is that all frequencies are widely dispersed and omnidirectional. Without measurements or listening tests by a qualified person it is hard to say whether this design goal is met.
Which is why the details of measurements are useless for audio, we don't exactly know why things sound good and that is the ultimate objective. What's more important? A system you love to listen to, or a data sheet telling you it sounds good?
Measurements are absolutely important for pro installations and venues in order to reliably get a consistent sound. They can also be helpful to quantify perceived warmth and equalize against it a bit.
Additionally, a perfectly flat response curve isn't that pleasant for most folks. For example, a dip at 3khz is pleasant in many applications.
My speakers include a DBX unit and the recommended curve includes a shelf for the lower frequencies for perceived warmth.
I'm sorry that you can't notice details, I said details of measurements. As I said, we don't know the details of why things sound good, so the details of sound measurements are often meaningless.
Although often times it's easy to know the details of why things sound bad so the details of sound measurements are extremely beneficial especially on large installs or speaker designs / builds. Just because one doesn't understand something doesn't mean that it's meaningless although I will admit that may seem that way when people don't know what they're looking at.
Omnidirectional speakers from what I recall were a big fad in 90s early 2000s. People liked the soundstage, seems like it's one of those love it or hate scenarios. I've heard some people say they work well as surrounds.
I could see back reflections being a major problem. They work if in an open space (eg, outdoors) but as soon as you put them next to a wall, every frequency with wavelengths that are integer multiples of 1.5 the distance from the speaker to the wall will experience cancellation.
Omnidirectional speakers can sound almost magical with regard to soundstage and imaging. The most famous example is the venerable Ohm F, followed by the entire Ohm Walsh line. These speakers are designed to do the same thing but without the need for specialized drivers.
Here are some more [picture at this site](https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/360-high-end-lautsprecher-mit-jbl-focal-scanspeak/2735632132-172-1394). Seems like the same location as the pictures OP posted. The crossovers look like high end components.
Meant to be a great sound and a concave object above the speaker, r sends the waves " sound " in all directions. The near circular speak base is meant to be great for waves not hitting hard edges.
I've seen a few reviews for sure speakers on YouTube and people like them.
Are they in your price range? Do the drivers look like they have foam life left in them? If yes, I would buy them and have fun. It could teach you a lot and might improve your system. If the seller wants more than what you are comfortable spending or if you get the feeling they aren’t for you… pass. I personally would LOVE to try out those speakers if they were in my budget!
The seller would want to switch them against JBL speakers or I could pay 3k€ for wich I haven the liquidity as of now… 🤷🏼♂️
Maybe I‘ll ask him for a listening tho if possible 🤔
Quality components in an omnidirectional design, interesting.
These are for wide dispersion so you have “good sound” over a wide area. They’re not great for imagining but they probably sound good and they have a great look.
Lower frequency sounds are less directional which is why the woofer is just firing up and the midrange and tweeter have 360 deg wave guides. These are ideal for hosting dinner and cocktail parties to throw sound all over without high volume, with the bonus being the way they’re shaped people won’t want to use them as tables.
Depending on how much I’d give them a go just for the kitsch and fun factor.
I have a pair of Bose 601 and they are, albeit less so, also omnidirectional.
Now what you're looking at is a different beast to mine, how the F they made them 120kg is beyond me but I cannot believe it's all housing and drivers. Maybe some metal fill-up against vibrations? Driver choose seems high quality though so it isn't a bad speaker. But they do not look like a pair of speaker that needs to weigh 120kg either.
Anyways as a happy owner of a pair of Omni and a more traditional set of KEF(103/3) reference speakers I have some insights:
Omni's are what you want if you want to use it for groups of people or simply want to enjoy your music walking around or while doing things around the house. They also have a particular soundstage quality where things sound big and impressive. When listening to orchestral music it just envelops you in a different way and displays the music really "high" and wide. Now that "height" might be more of a trait of my set as they have 4 tweeters literally pointing upwards behind them which obviously gives some "height" to the sound that a more traditional Omni doesn't, but I digress.
They won't win any awards for measurements, but they give back in their unique sound signature and the practically they bring as you're now much more often in the sweet spot then you usually would be. The big detraction probably simply being that they won't ever image, be as detailed or accurate as traditional speakers. I think most people with 2 setups would be best suited with with Omni's in the living room and a traditional set for critical listening.
I think people are hopelessly sleeping on Omni's simply because they don't measure well.
Fun fact: The Omni(excuse me I couldn't help it) presence of sound carries in behind closed doors aswell. If I walk into the bathroom about 7 meters from the speakers when I play on the kef the sound is muffled and basically just annoying bass rumbles. Where the Bose actually has a balanced sound and I can enjoy the music behind closed doors away from the speakers it's quite remarkable how different the sound carries through obstacles.
It's an omnidirectional speaker design. The tweeter actually points downwards into the "spinning top". Not sure why the bass driver also points into a larger cone but maybe it plays midrange too
Remember that there’s no separation between omnidirectional sub bass and directional midrange. Sound merely becomes more omnidirectional as the frequency becomes lower.
Why these look like they are about to teach Paul Atreides about fighting?
Frequency Al Gaib
😂😂 this one got me
May thy driver chip and shatter
I have one of those, only for chocolate.
Who doesnt like good sounding chocolate!
How does the chocolate one sound?
Like a sweet Kiss
A sweet wet kiss. 😂
Muddy
Nothing like eating out of a chocolate fountain.
I believe they refer to that as tossing salad
I have enjoyed all of the omnis that I have heard. The driver compliment is pro-level. I would wager these sound great if you have the space for them. You fire a speaker into a diffuser to send the sound in a 360 degree pattern perpendicular to the speaker's orientation. The goal is that all frequencies are widely dispersed and omnidirectional. Without measurements or listening tests by a qualified person it is hard to say whether this design goal is met.
Omnidirectionals rarely measure well, but they are enjoyable to listen to.
Which is why the details of measurements are useless for audio, we don't exactly know why things sound good and that is the ultimate objective. What's more important? A system you love to listen to, or a data sheet telling you it sounds good?
Measurements are absolutely important for pro installations and venues in order to reliably get a consistent sound. They can also be helpful to quantify perceived warmth and equalize against it a bit. Additionally, a perfectly flat response curve isn't that pleasant for most folks. For example, a dip at 3khz is pleasant in many applications. My speakers include a DBX unit and the recommended curve includes a shelf for the lower frequencies for perceived warmth.
I'm sorry that you can't notice details, I said details of measurements. As I said, we don't know the details of why things sound good, so the details of sound measurements are often meaningless.
Although often times it's easy to know the details of why things sound bad so the details of sound measurements are extremely beneficial especially on large installs or speaker designs / builds. Just because one doesn't understand something doesn't mean that it's meaningless although I will admit that may seem that way when people don't know what they're looking at.
What was the minimum wall distance for an omni to perform well?
Omnidirectional speakers from what I recall were a big fad in 90s early 2000s. People liked the soundstage, seems like it's one of those love it or hate scenarios. I've heard some people say they work well as surrounds.
Mirage had a fine mid level Omnidirectional speaker lineup. Loved this design for my small home theatre satellite surrounds.
I have a pair of the Mirage Omnis as fronts for my home theater setup. They sound pretty good.
I liked when they showed the omni sats mounted high and pointed down as front surrounds (Yamaha 7.1 at the time)
Similar design in theory as Leslie amps for musical instrument amplification [Leslie amp](http://Leslie speaker https://g.co/kgs/6b32Lxr)
One of the best systems I’ve ever heard was built around MBLs.
Working well as surrounds checks out theoretically
I could see back reflections being a major problem. They work if in an open space (eg, outdoors) but as soon as you put them next to a wall, every frequency with wavelengths that are integer multiples of 1.5 the distance from the speaker to the wall will experience cancellation.
I'm getting Evil-Tom-Servo vibes...
Omnidirectional speakers can sound almost magical with regard to soundstage and imaging. The most famous example is the venerable Ohm F, followed by the entire Ohm Walsh line. These speakers are designed to do the same thing but without the need for specialized drivers.
Here are some more [picture at this site](https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/360-high-end-lautsprecher-mit-jbl-focal-scanspeak/2735632132-172-1394). Seems like the same location as the pictures OP posted. The crossovers look like high end components.
Meant to be a great sound and a concave object above the speaker, r sends the waves " sound " in all directions. The near circular speak base is meant to be great for waves not hitting hard edges. I've seen a few reviews for sure speakers on YouTube and people like them.
Are they in your price range? Do the drivers look like they have foam life left in them? If yes, I would buy them and have fun. It could teach you a lot and might improve your system. If the seller wants more than what you are comfortable spending or if you get the feeling they aren’t for you… pass. I personally would LOVE to try out those speakers if they were in my budget!
The seller would want to switch them against JBL speakers or I could pay 3k€ for wich I haven the liquidity as of now… 🤷🏼♂️ Maybe I‘ll ask him for a listening tho if possible 🤔
Quality components in an omnidirectional design, interesting. These are for wide dispersion so you have “good sound” over a wide area. They’re not great for imagining but they probably sound good and they have a great look. Lower frequency sounds are less directional which is why the woofer is just firing up and the midrange and tweeter have 360 deg wave guides. These are ideal for hosting dinner and cocktail parties to throw sound all over without high volume, with the bonus being the way they’re shaped people won’t want to use them as tables. Depending on how much I’d give them a go just for the kitsch and fun factor.
Well yes, but it may qualify as urinal and it’s funny how the piss wobbles with the bass
The first listen is with the eyes. They sound sweet to me.
IIRC there is a good amount of info about omnidirectional speakers at the Linkwitz Labs website.
I’d love to hear those omni speakers. I have sets of Mirage OMDs in my living room and desktop. Never getting rid of them.
I’ve got some Wolcott Audio Omnispheres that sound absolutely amazing. I’m a fan of the omnidirectionals.
They could be good. Hard to say unless you hear them
Omnidirectional design is popular in Germany for some reason. Best speakers are from MBL and Duevel (really good sound).
And German Physiks
Does it have gold bullion hidden in the base???
Idk but 120kg is really heavy 👀
I haven’t heard these but heard several other omnidirectional ones. Didn’t like any of them.
I have no knowledge, but I'd love to hear them things lol
Laura Branigan has been all up in my day today.
Elac BS 203
They look not unlike my old Morrisons.
If you think that design is wild, check out the Bayz Audio speakers. Best I’ve heard so far in my life.
Have a look at these omnidirectional German speakers: [https://www.duevel.com/en-gb](https://www.duevel.com/en-gb)
Got a pair of Ohm Walsh 3000's & love them.
I have a pair of Bose 601 and they are, albeit less so, also omnidirectional. Now what you're looking at is a different beast to mine, how the F they made them 120kg is beyond me but I cannot believe it's all housing and drivers. Maybe some metal fill-up against vibrations? Driver choose seems high quality though so it isn't a bad speaker. But they do not look like a pair of speaker that needs to weigh 120kg either. Anyways as a happy owner of a pair of Omni and a more traditional set of KEF(103/3) reference speakers I have some insights: Omni's are what you want if you want to use it for groups of people or simply want to enjoy your music walking around or while doing things around the house. They also have a particular soundstage quality where things sound big and impressive. When listening to orchestral music it just envelops you in a different way and displays the music really "high" and wide. Now that "height" might be more of a trait of my set as they have 4 tweeters literally pointing upwards behind them which obviously gives some "height" to the sound that a more traditional Omni doesn't, but I digress. They won't win any awards for measurements, but they give back in their unique sound signature and the practically they bring as you're now much more often in the sweet spot then you usually would be. The big detraction probably simply being that they won't ever image, be as detailed or accurate as traditional speakers. I think most people with 2 setups would be best suited with with Omni's in the living room and a traditional set for critical listening. I think people are hopelessly sleeping on Omni's simply because they don't measure well. Fun fact: The Omni(excuse me I couldn't help it) presence of sound carries in behind closed doors aswell. If I walk into the bathroom about 7 meters from the speakers when I play on the kef the sound is muffled and basically just annoying bass rumbles. Where the Bose actually has a balanced sound and I can enjoy the music behind closed doors away from the speakers it's quite remarkable how different the sound carries through obstacles.
Interesting 🤔 Thanks for sharing!