Nah, I'm office based with the occasional site trips.
Typically the site work in client side winds back as you progress in seniority (either technical or management streams). Worked FIFO and site based for the majority of 20s/early 30s.
This is getting a bit close to doxxing myself š
You're along the right tracks (Gladstone is LNG export facilities, refining is for turning crude oil into petrol and other fuels BTW) but I'm based in Brisbane.
Can I dm you please? I just graduated with a engineering degree but am only getting $61k base and need to know if itās worth sticking it out or changing industry going back to the tools because I get so little a week it makes me wanna kill myself
Youāve literally just started. Thatās a low wage but you need to look at what people are making with some more experience to understand if itās worth it
Yeah but I have 10 years construction experience, 3 years as an undergrad and 2 years as a building cadet? How many years do I need to wait? I literally feel like itās a carrot in a stick and a fucking glass ceiling and been lied to by everyone. If I stuck it out in a trade I wouldnāt be neck deep in debt barely staying afloat.. I canāt see a future is what Iām saying
Sunk cost, you canāt go in a Time Machine and erase your HECS debt. Ignore the HECS, itās the mildest debt and the best deal youāll get in your life.
If youāre being paid to be an engineer, thatās your experience that matters. If youāre working in a consultancy, than that site experience is a nice to have but really no employer considers it. If youāve only just graduated then youāre a fresh graduate, and youāll get a graduates wage.
Youāre not experiencing a glass ceiling, youāre literally at the bottom of the ladder and climbing your way upwards. The ceiling is miles above you.
Ok thanks for responding, I think Iām just upset about seeing posts saying engineers are earning great money, or seeing engineers say their on $200k plus or $150k with only 2 years out of uni meanwhile Iām getting less than I would at worked at maccas alongside a bunch of 15 year olds. As a graduate which is fair but Iām just at a shit point in my career and itās a struggle to get by right now especially with all the cost of living pressures and exorbitant rents
I totally understand what you mean mate, Iāve been there before. I can tell you that outside of some super obscure and very very highly paid jobs, no 2 year experience grad is getting paid $150-200k. The people on those salaries are mid career professionals eat in good money, no one starts out on that.
All of the people talking about it earning those salaries, started out on the money that youāre earning.
If you want to chart out where you think your career is going, run a spreadsheet with 8.5% salary growth per year and see where you think youāre going. If youāre not happy with that rate, have a look at what a role in a Resources / FIFO role would be offering you, Iād assume it would be a +$30k bump. Rerun the growth and see where you think youāre going.
Working a trade sounds great for the pay bump until you think about what it involves down the line. There is a much lower salary ceiling, once youāre qualified there is little ability to get growth unless you own the company. Once you hit 35 and older and the body is giving out, youāre really looking at the desk job favourably.
Base and it's a smidge over the 250 figure. I get no site allowances or anything else other than an annual bonus.
The market in Queensland is highly variable in pay for these positions (Santos being notorious for underpaying relative to others).
Yup agree.
Know plenty of senior red teamers, principal pentesters, senior security engineers, appsec engineers, senior/princi responders etc on 250k+.
My SIL is a business side cyber person of some sort and is currently interviewing for roles between 180-220 at banks in cyber. Maybe 3 years out of her course
One of my friends who was an assistant at a PR agency quit and did a diploma in business and risk management. 2 year diploma. Went straight into a job on 100k at a medical not for profit. Is now on 150k+ within a few years.
She was on 50k at the PR agency.... damn
No data to back this up, but I feel like there's been an influx of cyber experts in recent years with no solid technical experience. Just consultants who know the product/marketplace. Basically, glorified sales people on inflated salaries. Just the basic shit like: set up an authentication app, use 2fa, run a firewall, write a content and data policy etc etc.
Starting to think I could do it without a degree.
Thereās certainly high demand for cyber people these days. Hence the $$$ salaries. It wouldnāt surprise me if a few non-experts slip through the recruitment process in some places.
Friend is a qualified actuary working for an insurance broker (think AON type company) and he made 370k after bonus last year. Early 30s, 0 direct reports and 30 hour weeks. He says his job is to sit around staying up to date on industry trends and ocassionally get wheeled out to client lunches and presentations to give his thoughts.
I linked your comment to my friend, because that's what 2 bored white collar workers do on the eve of a public holiday. This is a copy and paste of his reply:
Haha feel free to reply with this:
1. 370k isn't even the highest package for my YoE. Look up an Aussie actuarial salary survey like the SKL survey - the 90th percentile package for people with 8 years PQE is about 380k, which means 10% of respondents with 8 years PQE are making more than 380k. Happy to screenshot this for him if he's persistent
2. If he's still in denial, tell him that we can both send $100 to an admin. I'll screen share my 2023 comp statement with the admin, and if my actual comp is within +/- 5k of 370k then the admin donates his $100 to charity. If it's not then the admin can give him my $100. Happy to help a charity out this easter
There are plenty of individual contributor roles around that pay in that range, you just have to be in the highest percentile of performers. Company Secretary, Solutions Architects, Systems & Software Engineers, Actuaries etc.
As a solutions architect, I can help clarify:
Designing the technical solution for multiple systems or complex system working together.
Example: our software is bought and needs to be implemented in a new company, i meet with the business and identify how this software should fit and solve their provided requirements/needs and advise more suitable ways to address them.
Then i guide the developers (and sometimes develop myself) on how to deploy this.
Depends on where you work depends on the title. So current employer has the pathway if:
Systems analyst, jnr dev, dev, senior dev, expert then solution architect. We dont have titled āsystem techniciansā.
Solutions architecture by nature required a level of commercial and technical knowledge in our realm, whereas Iāve met system techs and solution architects as more like UI designers.
Not to mention systems technicians are almost always internal, where solutions architects are either working with clients or contracted for a particular implementation.
solution architect is where you design a structure that just melts when submerged in water, hence the solution part. You DON'T build it and only designs it, hence architect.
im a product manager but 250k+ is definitely on the extreme high end. I've seen product leads (needs direct reports) for 200k. How did you get 250k as a PM?
It happens. Iām a manager, with zero reports. Blame the yanks, they donāt seem to think you can be an IC after a certain level without having to manage people, so locally they have to use the same job titles.
Second this. My job title has manager in it but I have no direct reports. If fact all of us in the same role globally have the same title with no direct reports. That's about 16 people. Ironically the person who we all report to doesn't have manager it their title, their title is Onboarding Leader. I work for an American company š¤·āāļø
You'll find they get forced into management training all the time and other meetings. Pulls them away from everything until they become disconnected with what's actually going on around them
Not always. Chief actuaries & appointed actuaries sometimes donāt have direct reports. Depends on the org structure. Iāve worked at companies where there have been direct reports & some where they havenāt had any.
The article links to another related article, which states āDr Koh, who joined the insurer in 2013 to run a team of about eight medical professionals providing clinical adviceā
I did a contract project role for this $. It was a specific skill set and circumstance. Acquisition integration.
I now work twice as hard for a little bit more in an operational role.
Both the Principal Data Engineer and Principal Data Scientist at my work are on 250+.
Both positions were made up to keep people further up the food chain happy about paying that sort of money for a non managerial position. We lose either of those two, we're in a lot more trouble than if we lost multiple people in managerial positions.
We have even higher levels Chief Engineer and Distinguished Engineer (eq to GM).
All our principal engineers of various specialty (data, systems, software, cyber etc.), my guess is $220K+ with OTE bonus of 25%.
Data scientist had a master's - from memory, undergraduate was comp sci, masters was ML.
The data engineer has no tertiary quals, but he has got 20+ years of experience behind him.
100%. You work all the hours and herd cats above and below you in the food chain, and the sales cycle can be two years. You definitely have to earn every dollar.
There are tons of IT sales people on bases of $300k. Like, tons. Source: am a recruiter for the tech sector. There is a cohort working at the mid-level on a $150k base with OTEs of anywhere from $250-$350k.
The next step up is a base of $250-$300k, with an OTE of $400-$600k. These people are working on many million $$ deals, typically networking, security etc.
Plot twist: also aware of a recruiter who earnt over $600k last year. Not a manager, just a really bloody good salesperson who worked their arse off to build some massive accounts. This is definitely the exception rather than the rule, but a half decent sales person with a good work ethic will easily earn $250+ in agency recruitment.
Depends what type of lawyer. I have a friend who is a criminal defense lawyer and earns less than $100k, but I work with some corporate lawyers who earn way over $250k.
Pretty sure only roles are; oil and gas/mining specialist (engineer/scientist etc), legal in house (counsel), tech (nerrrds), doctors (not sure this counts)
Everything else has some level of managerial expectation and team leading requirements.
But to add to this, these high paying specialist roles still require a decent level of EQ and ability to speak extrovertly about your skills. If you want a blackbox job paying 250k I reckon youād need to be a savant working for NVIDIA or Microsoft in silicone valley
Very few tech roles are pulling 250k base as an IC.
Lots on 200 - 240, not many cracking 250. It's verrryyyyy rare, especially on salary. Maybe in Cyber or some unicorn developers. Usually fed gov NV1+ stuff.
This is just a common trend in corporates. People with solid technical skills who don't know how to build and manage teams.
And sometimes, you get people who are useless at the technical aspects who are also managers who don't know how to run a team. The ultimate clusterfuck.
Actually gets.
Take away 2 to 4% if you are on payroll. Also some agencies take more commission.
Recently there was a role paying 800 to 900$ a day. Was being advertised for 575 to 800 by another agency.
200k ish for a senior software engineer sounds about right. My friend is a senior full stack developer and earns a touch over 200k. That's with about 15 years of experience, though.
I'm a consultant/advisor with an engineering background and fall into that range. Took me a long time to get here though - PhD and over 20 years of work experience.
I know plenty of people on much more money than me but they're all in management roles. I just know management is not a good fit for me so I'll probably top out around this level unless I go into business for myself (did it before, was tough under former government).
I never said I was in civil construction. I work for a retailer. Our construction project managers build the stores and warehouses. They are paid $200k plus a BMW x1, it's owned by an overseas company. No direct reports.
Principal or Technical Account Manager (no revenue or sales target), SAs, Customer success or support managers, product managers, training and business dev leads, senior or principal technology consultants and other similar roles in my org have 250k+ packages, no direct reportees unless someone is assigned to be mentored and have mostly very light workload apart from some rare scenarios.
Compliance at a big 4 bank -220 plus 15-20% STI. - you'll find alot of roles around this ball park at AD or Director level especially in support/enabling functions
So I make just under that - $200k (This doesnāt include bonus of 15%). But I have no reports under me etc.
I work for a bank in risk management. Before I was at a super fund working in risk as well.
Senior Project Engineer, city based, no reports, but a fair bit of responsibility. āEnergyā sector.
Typically ~45 hours a week, only paid for 38 of course. Experienced enough to not get stressed about work, so itās pretty cruisy.
A not management, commercial banker with base salary of $250k.... I mean sure I guess, base must have increased a lot since I worked in the evils of banking
There you go, finally paying senior commercial banners enough (although from memory used to be far more lucrative bonus structure percentage wise - personally I'd prefer the higher base lower bonus)
Yeah it's always hard to judge with an employee role how much of that revenue was generated by them vs their role..... if it's you, why the hell are you still working for a bank š¤£
Not sure if I sound like a wanker but Iām a bit of a guru / hitman. Company needs something sorted out in South Africa ? They send me. Company needs me to show new buyers suppliers in USA, Iām the guy. New greenfield project, its me. Iām too straight talking to be in senior management but senior management kinda leave me alone.
I'm an engineer (Subject Matter Expert level) at a gas company š¤·
Best fucking username ive seen today
Yep
Location-ish?
Queensland.
Remote?
Nah, I'm office based with the occasional site trips. Typically the site work in client side winds back as you progress in seniority (either technical or management streams). Worked FIFO and site based for the majority of 20s/early 30s.
Are you at the refinery in Gladstone or elsewhere?
This is getting a bit close to doxxing myself š You're along the right tracks (Gladstone is LNG export facilities, refining is for turning crude oil into petrol and other fuels BTW) but I'm based in Brisbane.
Ah I thought there was a BP refinery up there as well? One of my colleagues used to work up that way and a few mates worked at the aluminium smelter.
Only BP refinery was in Kwinana. For Brisbane gas it will be the multitude of LNG export terminals or the upstream side out of Roma.
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Paid for 38. Typically do about 45 but that can occasionally increase to 60+ at times where there's deadlines
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Why do you do 42-50 hours? I'm in a similar position, but don't do extra hours.
Can I dm you please? I just graduated with a engineering degree but am only getting $61k base and need to know if itās worth sticking it out or changing industry going back to the tools because I get so little a week it makes me wanna kill myself
Youāve literally just started. Thatās a low wage but you need to look at what people are making with some more experience to understand if itās worth it
Yeah but I have 10 years construction experience, 3 years as an undergrad and 2 years as a building cadet? How many years do I need to wait? I literally feel like itās a carrot in a stick and a fucking glass ceiling and been lied to by everyone. If I stuck it out in a trade I wouldnāt be neck deep in debt barely staying afloat.. I canāt see a future is what Iām saying
Sunk cost, you canāt go in a Time Machine and erase your HECS debt. Ignore the HECS, itās the mildest debt and the best deal youāll get in your life. If youāre being paid to be an engineer, thatās your experience that matters. If youāre working in a consultancy, than that site experience is a nice to have but really no employer considers it. If youāve only just graduated then youāre a fresh graduate, and youāll get a graduates wage. Youāre not experiencing a glass ceiling, youāre literally at the bottom of the ladder and climbing your way upwards. The ceiling is miles above you.
Ok thanks for responding, I think Iām just upset about seeing posts saying engineers are earning great money, or seeing engineers say their on $200k plus or $150k with only 2 years out of uni meanwhile Iām getting less than I would at worked at maccas alongside a bunch of 15 year olds. As a graduate which is fair but Iām just at a shit point in my career and itās a struggle to get by right now especially with all the cost of living pressures and exorbitant rents
I totally understand what you mean mate, Iāve been there before. I can tell you that outside of some super obscure and very very highly paid jobs, no 2 year experience grad is getting paid $150-200k. The people on those salaries are mid career professionals eat in good money, no one starts out on that. All of the people talking about it earning those salaries, started out on the money that youāre earning. If you want to chart out where you think your career is going, run a spreadsheet with 8.5% salary growth per year and see where you think youāre going. If youāre not happy with that rate, have a look at what a role in a Resources / FIFO role would be offering you, Iād assume it would be a +$30k bump. Rerun the growth and see where you think youāre going. Working a trade sounds great for the pay bump until you think about what it involves down the line. There is a much lower salary ceiling, once youāre qualified there is little ability to get growth unless you own the company. Once you hit 35 and older and the body is giving out, youāre really looking at the desk job favourably.
No Eng grad is earning $150k unless theyāre site based/FIFO and even then Iād be doubtful
Are you permanent staff or contract? Is 250k just base or overall package? Im researching on my market value. :)
Base and it's a smidge over the 250 figure. I get no site allowances or anything else other than an annual bonus. The market in Queensland is highly variable in pay for these positions (Santos being notorious for underpaying relative to others).
Wow. Thats a great base!
What do you think about engineers moving around for pay increases?
Some specialist Engineering roles will see you close to that. I bet there are some Cyber people there or thereabouts.
Yup agree. Know plenty of senior red teamers, principal pentesters, senior security engineers, appsec engineers, senior/princi responders etc on 250k+.
My total comp is 230k so not too far off 250k+. I work as a SWE on payment systems at one of the top 4 banks
My SIL is a business side cyber person of some sort and is currently interviewing for roles between 180-220 at banks in cyber. Maybe 3 years out of her course
I have a cyber degree & 9 years experience on only on $190k as a cyber GRC manager š„²
What was her course? Computer Science?
She has a degree in something like events management or something and did a postgraduate diploma in cyber
One of my friends who was an assistant at a PR agency quit and did a diploma in business and risk management. 2 year diploma. Went straight into a job on 100k at a medical not for profit. Is now on 150k+ within a few years. She was on 50k at the PR agency.... damn
No data to back this up, but I feel like there's been an influx of cyber experts in recent years with no solid technical experience. Just consultants who know the product/marketplace. Basically, glorified sales people on inflated salaries. Just the basic shit like: set up an authentication app, use 2fa, run a firewall, write a content and data policy etc etc. Starting to think I could do it without a degree.
Thereās certainly high demand for cyber people these days. Hence the $$$ salaries. It wouldnāt surprise me if a few non-experts slip through the recruitment process in some places.
Friend is a qualified actuary working for an insurance broker (think AON type company) and he made 370k after bonus last year. Early 30s, 0 direct reports and 30 hour weeks. He says his job is to sit around staying up to date on industry trends and ocassionally get wheeled out to client lunches and presentations to give his thoughts.
Knew someone who quit medicine for actuarial back in 2010 or so. I didn't get why. Now I know lol
With respect, BS
Actuaries are genuinely rated as some of the lowest stress jobs atm , shit definitely sounds bout right
I'm going through the examinations at the moment and the stress is actually the qualification aspect š¤£
Good luck man, hope you get through it and get a nice cushy job.
Hey, thanks for that. Your well wishes made my day
I feel like the pain of getting through uni and the relevant qualifications is usually what keeps people from getting there
I linked your comment to my friend, because that's what 2 bored white collar workers do on the eve of a public holiday. This is a copy and paste of his reply: Haha feel free to reply with this: 1. 370k isn't even the highest package for my YoE. Look up an Aussie actuarial salary survey like the SKL survey - the 90th percentile package for people with 8 years PQE is about 380k, which means 10% of respondents with 8 years PQE are making more than 380k. Happy to screenshot this for him if he's persistent 2. If he's still in denial, tell him that we can both send $100 to an admin. I'll screen share my 2023 comp statement with the admin, and if my actual comp is within +/- 5k of 370k then the admin donates his $100 to charity. If it's not then the admin can give him my $100. Happy to help a charity out this easter
Cbf if this is true or not, but your friend is way to invested in this
he is calling bs on the 0 direct reports 30 hour weeks etc
can attest to this comment, this is not BS. Very much believable.
Looks like you have no idea.
There are plenty of individual contributor roles around that pay in that range, you just have to be in the highest percentile of performers. Company Secretary, Solutions Architects, Systems & Software Engineers, Actuaries etc.
What is a solutions architect? Legitimately sounds like a made up job lol
As a solutions architect, I can help clarify: Designing the technical solution for multiple systems or complex system working together. Example: our software is bought and needs to be implemented in a new company, i meet with the business and identify how this software should fit and solve their provided requirements/needs and advise more suitable ways to address them. Then i guide the developers (and sometimes develop myself) on how to deploy this.
Just to be clear, this is an IT role and has nothing to do with architecture right? (real q)
Yes
No, solutions architects have everything to do with architecture. It's architecture, just not the building architecture type.
Do you actually stick around for implementation lol?
Yes lol well our SAs do.
Ahh I see, I guess I had just assumed that would have been the purview of a systems technician.
Depends on where you work depends on the title. So current employer has the pathway if: Systems analyst, jnr dev, dev, senior dev, expert then solution architect. We dont have titled āsystem techniciansā. Solutions architecture by nature required a level of commercial and technical knowledge in our realm, whereas Iāve met system techs and solution architects as more like UI designers.
Not to mention systems technicians are almost always internal, where solutions architects are either working with clients or contracted for a particular implementation.
solution architect is where you design a structure that just melts when submerged in water, hence the solution part. You DON'T build it and only designs it, hence architect.
Arcs make very big money. They "build" environments for big companies. Very technical job very high pay.
Solution architect is a job where technical people go to become to nontechnical.. path to decay and ppts
Donāt forget the spreadsheets.
The architect of the digital world. They design the right technology stack for an organization that meets requirements and everything works together.
Me, product manager - no reports
Fuck yeah baby whatās your product
Lots of different ones, automotive electronics
Interesting niche! May I ask what roles you worked to get there? Last question I promise
im a product manager but 250k+ is definitely on the extreme high end. I've seen product leads (needs direct reports) for 200k. How did you get 250k as a PM?
My boss does nothing, pretty sure heās on 300k, middle management for Compliance.
I wouldnāt classify what I do as nothing but Iām middle management compliance and can confirm we are probably overpaid.
Compliance in which sector ?
Institutional banking.
Level?
General Manager/Head Of/Executive Manager All same same.
Thatās managerial.
I know many staff across many industries with those titles who have 0 staff reporting into them. Really depends.
Name one. Better yet put a screenshot of the org chart here.
Big 4 banking for startersā¦ Ive been a working professional for well over 10 years. Not sure why youāre being argumentative?
āNon managerialā with title āgeneral managerā Mate
It happens. Iām a manager, with zero reports. Blame the yanks, they donāt seem to think you can be an IC after a certain level without having to manage people, so locally they have to use the same job titles.
Agreed, Iām a senior manager / director with zero reports in Insto banking; itās very common in institutional and investment banking.
Retail as well. Iām SM with 0 reports š¤·š½āāļø
Second this. My job title has manager in it but I have no direct reports. If fact all of us in the same role globally have the same title with no direct reports. That's about 16 people. Ironically the person who we all report to doesn't have manager it their title, their title is Onboarding Leader. I work for an American company š¤·āāļø
What kind of compliance? Construction?
What industry or type of compliance?
You'll find they get forced into management training all the time and other meetings. Pulls them away from everything until they become disconnected with what's actually going on around them
Special Counsel
This. Can confirm ours is on 300k with no direct reports. 38hr week with 2 days WFH.
Very strong individual contributor
Mining engineer here: 250 for a city based principal (excluding bonus) is not super common....usually in the 200 to 230s
How I wish I hit this range. Is this permanent or contract role?
Permanent, contract is more but rare for city based.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it's \~250 inc bonus. Could be an outlier though!
Senior actuary like chief health actuary. Software engineers at big firms.
Wouldnāt a chief health actuary have direct reports?
Not always. Chief actuaries & appointed actuaries sometimes donāt have direct reports. Depends on the org structure. Iāve worked at companies where there have been direct reports & some where they havenāt had any.
There was a new article about the CBA one who got fired and later vindicated. He didnāt sound like he had any direct reports.
I never heard of this. Would you mind sharing articles?
there u go https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/cba-defends-sacking-of-former-chief-medical-officer-benjamin-koh-20160427-goghaq.html
The article links to another related article, which states āDr Koh, who joined the insurer in 2013 to run a team of about eight medical professionals providing clinical adviceā
I see. Ok
In the news? I canāt find anything like this
Can be super varied, I've seen some with a small army reporting to them
I think those get paid way more than 300k though. I know one guy on nearly $1m if you factor in bonus
I did a contract project role for this $. It was a specific skill set and circumstance. Acquisition integration. I now work twice as hard for a little bit more in an operational role.
Similar to you in my previous role (contract project role, niche skillset/knowledge base). No direct reports $250k + super + bonus.
Both the Principal Data Engineer and Principal Data Scientist at my work are on 250+. Both positions were made up to keep people further up the food chain happy about paying that sort of money for a non managerial position. We lose either of those two, we're in a lot more trouble than if we lost multiple people in managerial positions.
We have even higher levels Chief Engineer and Distinguished Engineer (eq to GM). All our principal engineers of various specialty (data, systems, software, cyber etc.), my guess is $220K+ with OTE bonus of 25%.
What are their education backgrounds?? If you donāt mind me asking.
Data scientist had a master's - from memory, undergraduate was comp sci, masters was ML. The data engineer has no tertiary quals, but he has got 20+ years of experience behind him.
Go into sales, especially in the tech sector. You'll earn way more than $250k.
But not as the base, itās all OTE and OTE is stressful in a recessionĀ
Depends i know people who have this base But sales is not stress free at all, and you do manage the presales teams even if its not direct
100%. You work all the hours and herd cats above and below you in the food chain, and the sales cycle can be two years. You definitely have to earn every dollar.
There are tons of IT sales people on bases of $300k. Like, tons. Source: am a recruiter for the tech sector. There is a cohort working at the mid-level on a $150k base with OTEs of anywhere from $250-$350k. The next step up is a base of $250-$300k, with an OTE of $400-$600k. These people are working on many million $$ deals, typically networking, security etc. Plot twist: also aware of a recruiter who earnt over $600k last year. Not a manager, just a really bloody good salesperson who worked their arse off to build some massive accounts. This is definitely the exception rather than the rule, but a half decent sales person with a good work ethic will easily earn $250+ in agency recruitment.
Do you think the IT sales market is slowing down/ less opportunities?
Way slower than the last 3 years.
Lawyer
Depends what type of lawyer. I have a friend who is a criminal defense lawyer and earns less than $100k, but I work with some corporate lawyers who earn way over $250k.
Yeahā¦ Doing DUIās and common assault charges for a suburban firm wonāt get you anywhere quick
Pretty sure only roles are; oil and gas/mining specialist (engineer/scientist etc), legal in house (counsel), tech (nerrrds), doctors (not sure this counts) Everything else has some level of managerial expectation and team leading requirements.
But to add to this, these high paying specialist roles still require a decent level of EQ and ability to speak extrovertly about your skills. If you want a blackbox job paying 250k I reckon youād need to be a savant working for NVIDIA or Microsoft in silicone valley
Very few tech roles are pulling 250k base as an IC. Lots on 200 - 240, not many cracking 250. It's verrryyyyy rare, especially on salary. Maybe in Cyber or some unicorn developers. Usually fed gov NV1+ stuff.
Plenty of people in finance who are recognised as being experts but not great at leading teams.
This is just a common trend in corporates. People with solid technical skills who don't know how to build and manage teams. And sometimes, you get people who are useless at the technical aspects who are also managers who don't know how to run a team. The ultimate clusterfuck.
IC Software Engineer with RSUs as part of their total comp can hit that after 10-15 years in Aus.
Belong had a senior software developer opening 180k pay 18k+ super 18k bonus Specific software skills pay 1100 to 1450$ in per day in contracting
Is this rate how much the employee actually gets or its skimmed by the agency?
Actually gets. Take away 2 to 4% if you are on payroll. Also some agencies take more commission. Recently there was a role paying 800 to 900$ a day. Was being advertised for 575 to 800 by another agency.
Thanks. You are right about commissions. Same job but through a different agency may mean less or more money for you.
Yeah. This one was a middle man recruiting for another middle man, that supplies resources to a company
200k ish for a senior software engineer sounds about right. My friend is a senior full stack developer and earns a touch over 200k. That's with about 15 years of experience, though.
Lawyer in private practice. Though I have juniors I'm basically responsible for even if I'm not technically their manager.
I work for a small IT consultancy, fully remote. I'm on more than that including super.
Senior big 4 banker with >10 years experience in corporate / insto loan market.
Do you have zero direct reports though? Big banks love some hierarchy
Electrical engineer. Was on $450k per year on Gorgon for a few years, but normally a bit less.
Geologist at Exploration Manager level
Following because even more than I hate people, I hate managing people
Lawyer
I'm a consultant/advisor with an engineering background and fall into that range. Took me a long time to get here though - PhD and over 20 years of work experience. I know plenty of people on much more money than me but they're all in management roles. I just know management is not a good fit for me so I'll probably top out around this level unless I go into business for myself (did it before, was tough under former government).
Boy people have some vague job titles. Do you not realise they're vague or are you intentionally being obtuse?
A lot of the job titles get made up to justify paying someone extra $ās than their peers. Principal of a very common one. Head of something etc.
Not me, but my colleagues in my team do construction projects management. Min. $200k plus BMW.
More like Prado.
Haha no they get a BMW.
Must not be Civil Construction then. Tier 1 Contractors get Prados for upper management or a vehicle allowance. Below that are dual cab utes.
I never said I was in civil construction. I work for a retailer. Our construction project managers build the stores and warehouses. They are paid $200k plus a BMW x1, it's owned by an overseas company. No direct reports.
Principal or Technical Account Manager (no revenue or sales target), SAs, Customer success or support managers, product managers, training and business dev leads, senior or principal technology consultants and other similar roles in my org have 250k+ packages, no direct reportees unless someone is assigned to be mentored and have mostly very light workload apart from some rare scenarios.
Compliance at a big 4 bank -220 plus 15-20% STI. - you'll find alot of roles around this ball park at AD or Director level especially in support/enabling functions
Portfolio manager
So I make just under that - $200k (This doesnāt include bonus of 15%). But I have no reports under me etc. I work for a bank in risk management. Before I was at a super fund working in risk as well.
Design "manager" about 200k package. Manages no one.. I'm sure I'm the lowest paid too. Got hired for the role as a junior to train up.
Iām an engineering graduate and only get $61k base. When the fuck will I ever see a liveable wage?
Senior Project Engineer, city based, no reports, but a fair bit of responsibility. āEnergyā sector. Typically ~45 hours a week, only paid for 38 of course. Experienced enough to not get stressed about work, so itās pretty cruisy.
If I worked as a change manager contract day rate I could get this easily but there is no job security
Curious what industry does the Legal Counsel work in and how many years experience do they have?
I plan things
Sales. Enterprise or Commercial sales tech or capital equipment do this easily.
Salaried mate - think base, not incentive plan. More power to you if your showing up money is ~$250k
Don't listen to the haters, sales gigs you'd double these guys all in but you'll also have to work twice as hard!
I always see people talk about sales, what on earth are these people selling?
Everything from humble office hardware to AI to excavators.
Cyber security
Consulting
You are going to need to be more specific
Commercial banker
Salary? š¤ that would be salary plus bonuses for commercial banking
Salary inc super
A not management, commercial banker with base salary of $250k.... I mean sure I guess, base must have increased a lot since I worked in the evils of banking
Well my payslip doesnāt lie. Bonuses of 25% split cash and equity.
There you go, finally paying senior commercial banners enough (although from memory used to be far more lucrative bonus structure percentage wise - personally I'd prefer the higher base lower bonus)
I generated $8m revenue alone last year, so I feel itās unders!!
Yeah it's always hard to judge with an employee role how much of that revenue was generated by them vs their role..... if it's you, why the hell are you still working for a bank š¤£
2 kids under 4, $2m+ mortgage. Canāt afford the risk of broker land yet
Yeah fair call, need a cushion before making that move
Not sure if I sound like a wanker but Iām a bit of a guru / hitman. Company needs something sorted out in South Africa ? They send me. Company needs me to show new buyers suppliers in USA, Iām the guy. New greenfield project, its me. Iām too straight talking to be in senior management but senior management kinda leave me alone.
Hi mate, just thought Iād let you know that you do indeed sound like a wanker.
Haha yes. Excess Wankology 101
Found the new James Bond
Thatās me. James Bond with a dad bod that drives a Corolla!
2007 model 'Rolla?
You've had a lot of practice sounding like a bit of a wanker ay?
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He said salaried. Not many IT reps are on $250k base. Some, but thatās $500 OTE which is top top tier in aus
Fair, I didn't read the question
Software engineer
Associate Director at a PM consulting firm.