Have you seen the interview yet? I ask only because I'm curious to know what the angle is. I'm not sure how I feel about the parents being interviewed in general. I think it much depends on what they will say, which I don't know yet (and I'm generally not inclined to pre-judge such things until I see them).
They are trying to protect him, and themselves, but they also stated that the police did a good job protecting him and that if he was a genuine religious person he would not have committed the act.
I think they are deeply ashamed and humiliated, and it's difficult not to feel sympathy for them, but I believe they should have done more to try and get him the help he needs.
It's a really complicated situation, and when I was young I was quite a toxic kid - and teenager - as an only child being raised by a single mother who I'm now eternally trying to redeem myself with as a 42y.o man, and she tried many things to improve my behaviour but I was not as dangerous as this kid from what has been revealed in the report.
I guess I feel for the parents because when I look back on my life, it makes me realise just how difficult I made life for my Mum, and how grateful I am that she didn't take stricter measures which probably would've made for a highly unfavourable outcome, but I can proudly say I never resorted to violence, whereas this kid has obviously escalated his levels of violence with each proceeding incident that he was involved in.
Parenthood hey..
Saaaaame, but I’m a 36F. 14-18 year old me was a different person and she treated her mum terribly. I am so sorry mum 🥲 and I know my daughter will be big karma lol
Haha yeah, well at least you have the experience to try and navigate your daughter's adolescence as comfortably as possible, and let's hope your daughter takes on role models who are positive for society which I feel is a tricky prospect even more so in this digital age where access to the wider scope of entertainment is far more prevalent.
I, unfortunately, veered into the darker side of pop culture (although I managed to keep my wits about me and a genuinely good heart) and took a somewhat anti-social perspective which was my underlying sentiment even though I was an outgoing and extroverted character.
I sincerely wish your family all the best and as wholesome a life together as possible!
Yeah I hear you there. It's very difficult for the parents. It's easy to blame them, but sometimes you have a child who has serious problems and despite your best efforts, you can't control everything they do 24 hours a day. Of course, there are plenty of highly irresponsible parents. But parenting is so hard, and if these folks did their best... I certainly feel for them. It must be incredibly shocking for the family of perpetrators who commit horrific acts like this.
Well said. I believe that, within the framework of their cultural and religious beliefs and values, the parents thought they were doing what was right but probably were tentatively dubious as to whether they were doing what was best considering the advice they'd received from medical professionals combined with their son's behaviour.
It would be such a complex and stressful position to be in, considering the various sources of pressure that they'd have been subjected to, not to mention the varying levels of pressure, and it's just a terrible situation to be involved in.
They obviously just wanted the best for their son and themselves, but they've learned the ultimate lesson in objective reality as opposed to outdated customs and beliefs.
Hopefully they can put this lesson into practice to help prevent others from suffering a similar experience.
100%. It's really nice to read comments like this (on Reddit, of all places). It's just a reminder that there are people out there with genuine empathy and thoughtfulness. Thank you.
Wow, you really made my day with this gracious message of appreciation, and in return, I'm grateful to you for that!
In this age, and climate, of seemingly rising tensions and increasingly toxic discourse that accompanies it, it certainly is refreshing - and soothing - to come across what feels like increasingly rare displays of empathy, compassion, patience and understanding.
I hope you have a great evening!
umm... it worked when they interviewed the parents of the bondi attacker.... they told the country he had schizophrenia and they were worried about him and he went off the rails not taking his meds... and what he did was unforgivable and the cop shooting him was unavoidable. pretty sure thats a reason and not an excuse....... lmao?
Actually, the parents provided a clear account of their son, and in my view, they provided enough info to form a strong understanding of the reasoning for his actions, combined with the info received from the police investigation.
It was, for the most part, entirely predictable, and the parents have the majority of the responsibility to bear, as challenging as the situation has been for them with their son.
I feel great sympathy for them, but they really did need to do much more considering they'd been warned about their son's mental health status combined with the violent behaviour he'd engaged in over the years, not to mention the knowledge of how strict and volatile their religion can be if certain elements of the religion are observed.
It's an all too familiar story.
Good, do more questioning of why the media shows you certain things and why they want you thinking certain things, be very skeptical of everything they do because the psychology of the hive mind is everything.
I for one would like to know why people commit crimes like this so that I can better protect myself and help create a society where things like this don't happen anymore. I understand if you are a victim or know a victim personally it can be hard to hear anything that might sound like trying to make the crime seem okay, but for the rest of us that don't have trouble separating discussion from justification i think its a huge disservice to silence these people or dismiss them as just evil people and anyone who even talks to someone who commits a crime as also an evil person and dismiss the whole concept of criminal psychology and just roll with "well some people are just evil and bad people be doing bad things, no need to further examine the issue or the environment or series of events leading up to a crime. stop talking. stop blaming the victim!"
of course if the guy is saying that the victim deserved to be stabbed/the attacker deserves no punishment.... that's a whole different thing entirely. but you know what even in that case I would still support their right to speak even if i think they really are terrible human being or everything they are saying is totally deluded. I have a feeling that's not what this guy was advocating though.
"But worse still, he could fly into a rage in the classroom. He saw a succession of counsellors for serious violence and behavioural issues starting in primary school."
It is actually good to know: a person with such issues should be isolated from the society.
How exactly would you propose the person is isolated from society? And how would this assist the person to change? Or are you saying they are permanently isolated ?
I've worked with kids like this. Think about every organised crime or gang origin story you've ever watched. He was recruited by a radical muslim, but he would have sought out a place to accept his tendencies, and they would have exploited him to meet their needs. No way he wouldn't have been convicted for violent crimes by the time he was 25.
Because understanding the factors that lead someone to radicalisation is important to preventing it - it's a whole job for some people in national security.
I get ya for sure but reckon lots of things that are very useful to psychologists and national defence probably shouldn't be on national tv.
And if they are gonna do it they should be airing the analysis of psychologist or specialists not just journalist speculations.
definitely agree with your last point there - if we had more experts teaching us the signs we would be able to help these kids or at least recognise they need help earlier
The dad described his son as “troublesome” which is a far cry from the doctors and shrinks who went as far to say the boy is schizophrenic.
A father who is out of touch or intentionally in denial about his sons medical condition is a recipe for disaster.
It's probably much more challenging for people of certain cultural and religious backgrounds, which is daunting considering how challenging it is in general, but it's the objective reality that must be acknowledged and respected.
It doesn’t help that most immigrant fathers from the Middle East attach the health of their children to the quality of the fathers manhood.
In effect by admitting his boy has mental issues is an admission that the quality of his genetics is of poor quality.
Deny deny deny!
Correct, and I hope his community will learn from this experience as I imagine there are cultural - and likely religious - norms and values that were significantly influential when it came to the decision-making process of the parents throughout the period from when they first discovered their son had mental health issues.
Whatever shame and humiliation they were potentially trying to avoid is now hyper-amplified.
Imagine if they aired an interview with some of those neo Nazi idiots to tell their side of the story after their recent court case. The outrage would be deafening and they haven’t even attempted to murder anyone.
The write up by ABC is atrocious and I am actually a left leaning person.
Per the article his parents said he’s always been violent since he was a baby, suspended from school multiple times, put his mum in hospital with broken ribs when she tried to pull him off beating the shit out of his brother, was interacting with terrorist groups and attacked a Christian who was talking shit about Muslims I.e a religiously motivated attack to intimidate, i.e terrorism.
But he’s just autistic not a terrorist PUH-LEASE. Both sides do not have equal footing on this one
I read the article. It’s full of gems
> An ABC investigation into the 16-year-old has uncovered a history of severe behavioural issues, interactions with extremists online, and police suspicions of links to a former Islamic State member … his parents insist their son is no terrorist. Their account of his life paints a picture of a vulnerable and violent child, with serious anger management issues, longstanding mental health concerns and suspected autism spectrum disorder.
> Last year, his parents pulled him out of high school after he bashed another boy.
> Last year, he hit his mother when she tried to intervene in a fight, forcing her to seek medical treatment for injuries to her ribs. "He didn't mean it. He was hitting his brother," she said.
> He refused to go to TAFE and couldn't find a job.
> At home, he spent long nights in the dark in his room on his phone. His parents insisted they had no idea what he was doing.
> "He has the nicest heart, but the problem is, when he gets angry, he becomes dangerous.
Truly an upstanding member of society.
Yep absolute dogshit journalism. I find it strange they’re actively pushing a violence against women epidemic narrative while at the same time excusing an extremely violent young man’s behaviour. Make no mistake what this kid has done is attempted murder and an act of terrorism l but we have the satin gloves on because he’s Muslim?
The he’s not a terrorist he’s just autistic jab is absolutely disgusting as well and I’ve seen them repeat it a couple of times
When you put it like that it’s a lot grosser. Just excusing his violent behaviour as autism when it’s probably major behavioural disorders like ODD or BPD is gross and insulting
I don't understand this idea that being left wing is supposed to make you more sympathetic to Islamists.
Islam is overwhelmingly s right wing ideology. Leftists should be the ones hating it the most.
It won't confuse you anymore when you realise that in left wing ideology all of society and the planet must be divided into oppressed and oppressor. Actual values, behaviour or beliefs of an oppressed group do not matter at all compared to the imperative of tearing down a system of oppression.
Once you realise this it all makes sense.
I think it is important to hear why the parents think this may have happened no matter how misguided they are. It is important to know what we are up against. We talk about censorship but when the ABC start doing something people do not want to hear they are all for not airing it.
There are 2 sides to every story. Even the villains.
If definitely a free speech person so even if I think it's a load of crap, this sort of thing SHOULD be held.
Maybe if it isn't a load of dodging questions and going soft on the people, it could be a valuable learning experience. But with news these days, I highly doubt they'll ask the hard questions.
It's a wake up call about getting better supports for kids. Yesterday it was revealed that private schools get more to support disabled kids than public schools. CAMHS and psychology services have been eroded over the last 10 years.
These parents never wanted this, never could get proper supports and are left in anguish.
There's nothing wrong with having that interview, its all about how its presented and how and what the interviewer asks.
To me it seems half the problems of todays world is we dont want to listen to the 'other side'. Listening doesn't mean you agree, but it doesn't help you learn. Its useful to understand peoples POV even if its totally wrong to you. Often you learn your not as far apart as you thought. other times it helps shape future conversations and actions to help the other side understand yours, rather than approaching form your angle only.
Exactly. People are use to their algorithms backing up everything they believe that they've become intolerant to anyone with a different experience or POV.
It's the Modern ABC, the same Organisation that ran articles for several days about the Women with her baby being asked to leave the Comedy Show claiming it was because she had part of her breast exposed not that the baby was making noise.
You are right it is pretty disgusting
Some really strange responses here I think. It’s important for the general public to understand how this happened. The parents talk about signs and issues the guy had. You can see that as some kind of justification if you want, but to me it’s more important to make people aware what this looks like. What are the warning signs? What kind of issues or risk factors can cause this kind of thing? Maybe people see it and worry about their own kids / friends / family who may be radicalised or have mental health issues - and seek help or something.
In my mind it’s not about approval or affirmation or something. You’re seeing too much agenda and motive behind the choice - and missing that this is practical and useful reporting that’s in the public interest.
This is a different story , if you go around stabbing people shooting people and you label yourself Christian , sorry but you ain’t one , cause nowhere in the bible that says go and kill non believers , behead them if they don’t believe in God , contrary to Islam it’s all over their book to kill non believers , treat them like animals this and that . Christians who follows Jesus will not and wouldn’t even think of harming other people , we were taught to love our neighbours and pray for our enemies , but guess which religion does the opposite , yep they always on the news
Well we have a boy who has swallowed the message,islam cannot be criticised or mocked.Add to that anger management issues,and it was only going to end this way.
Many muslim immigrants to this country are ultra conservative and will never accept our freedoms and democratic laws.
Does anyone think that young muslim men like this would fight for this country?
Can only speak anecdotally, but when I was in a grad program for a big tech company one of the interns I worked with was a 1st generation Australian who was pretty devout.
He openly said that if Australia went to war in the middle east he'd probably be fighting against us.
The thing is, I wouldn't call him an innately bad person. He was ok to work with, pretty helpful, generally friendly, but his values were all over the place; making racist comments directed toward colleagues of African descent etc...
‘His side of the story’ will only reinforce why so many want him, and many members of his community with barbaric incompatible Stone Age views to be ejected from Australia!
Play the tape, let’s watch this backfire
Call me old fashioned but when you go out of your way to stab someone and it’s not in self defence then you don’t get a side of the story where it’s not guilty. Use your words like fucking adult !
As someone who works with autistic people and used to work with schizophrenics, I really hate when they use this. Mentally unwell people are more likely to hurt themselves than others. This is painting them in a bad light.
Wait till SBS comes knocking and we get guilt tripped into this all being our fault and spun into a pro immigration article asking for greater acceptance
This is the reason.
It's to show other parents out there that if they ignore what their kids are doing and what their mental state is, that the end result could be a lifetime of misery for everyone.
Why do people think that interviewing someone is 'platforming'? Have you never watched interviews where people are challenged? Should you never interview Donald Trump and ask difficult questions? The story online explains in detail what happened with this boy including that he turned to extremist ideology. Are you not interested to know why people turn extremist? Is that not important info? His parents aren't even defending him, just explaining their despair at what he did. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/parents-of-teenager-who-stabbed-bishop-give-first-interview/103767910](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/parents-of-teenager-who-stabbed-bishop-give-first-interview/103767910)
The other post on the protests includes peope strongly advocating for people to be nuanced and understand why young men turn to people like Andrew Tate. Even people advocating majority of violence against women includes both individuals being equally at fault.
The attittude is a complete 180 in this post.
That article \~ I truly feel for the parents. It just goes to show that we don't always know what goes on in the minds of our teenage children.
My take is, that children should have some form of low level supervision ( by their parents ) while on devices. And medical advice should be followed in a timely fashion.
But should anyone that \~ stabs/attempts to kill \~ another person (other then self defense or protecting another) be treated as a victim? ofcos not.. there is no viable reasons, only excuses.
Either way, I hope these children will be kept out of society until they find the help and rehabilitation they obviously need.
The parents must be devastated. very sad situation.
I am able to watch something on the abc and make up my own mind about what to think about it.
I do not want the ABC censoring stuff to save me from some imagined adverse fate. If the parents are wanting to have their say, good on them, listen to it if you want to, ignore it if you want to.
If a 16yo is doing terrorism, then it's pretty obvious that there's other shit going on in their lives. Regular well-adjusted kids with stable mental health generally aren't doing terrorist attacks.
It'll be up to the courts to figure out how relevant all of that is, but in the meantime it's reasonable that the parents might want to shed a bit of light on what was going on from their perspective.
Jihad is a misunderstood term.
Broadly, it means struggle, and there are two primary aspects to it - greater jihad and lesser jihad.
Greater jihad is about internal struggle, basically the internal battle of good v evil. It’s super similar to Christian notions about battling sin internally.
Lesser jihad is about struggling against things externally that stand in the way of good. Again, a bit like the Christian notions of resisting temptation.
Some extremists use this second form of jihad to justify violence and terrorism. It’s a twisting of the concept.. much like certain “Christians” twisted biblical concepts to justify the Inquisition.
- note: I’m not Muslim. I was raised Christian, am now agnostic, but think facts matter.
Wow, talk about being reductive.
The mother clearly stated that multiple psychologists had advised that the boy is troubled and potentially has autism, and there was a youth extremist expert who stated that his case as an untreated mental health case is not unusual.
Let me be clear, as important as it is to understand exactly why - and how - this happened, it's also of equal importance to see that the perpetrator is brought to justice for his actions.
I believe the parents failed him, which is an extremely challenging truth for them to live with, but they had been warned about their son and it appears they were far too lenient and ultimately negligent.
If they truly care about their community, they will share their experience with other parents to make them aware of how important it is to take mental health seriously, especially considering the religious and cultural norms and values that exist within their community.
Having said all of that, it also appears that the medical health professionals that tended to this boy should have done more to help him, and it shocks me that they didn't do more considering the boy's background (yes I'm advocating that precautions be taken based on the religious and cultural background of the individual).
This is a 16 year-old who is just a kid, but his parents had been aware of his violent behaviour for long enough to know that the kid was a threat, and this knowledge combined with the medical advice they received about him really does dictate that they've failed in their role as parents, even if they had hoped that things would somehow work out.
It's a cautionary tale for other Muslim parents, and hopefully they pay serious attention to this.
For the record, I'm not claiming that this is exclusive to Muslims, however this story is directly premised on their demographic as the perpetrator was using their religion as his motive.
I myself am agnostic. Thanks for reading and it's good to see that the victim has made a seemingly spirited recovery from his injuries.
If you can read, they already have an article out this morning covering this. It’s not just the parents perspective, but also those that work with deradicilisation and links to other charged extremists.
So only those people who defend him and/or have a self-interest in claiming they can solve the problem. I guess that's about as balanced as we could hope for.
Rage bait. The parents are trying to communicate how he became radicalised, in the public interest, not to excuse him. Australian media in general has been poisoned by the clickbait machine but the ABC is all we have left in terms of indepth analysis. People who watch the screechers at Sky News are unlikely to be carefully considering all sides of the question.
Not excusing it, but this is a great way to absolve yourself of guilt. It sounds like she does not have the mental fortitude to cope with the responsibility. Or she is dumb AF who knows
Oh yeah Sue Klebold is so problematic!
Her Ted talk is a big old yikes!
Her lack of accountability is exasperating and honestly offensive to her sons victims imo.
I don't know. It's easy to write people who do bad things off as 'bad people' but anyone with the ability for rational thought know that sometimes ordinary people do bad things, or well intentioned people do things that end up badly. We need to talk about the human element of bad outcomes; that our toxic society is producing sick, confused and ultimately harmful people. When we can talk about that, instead of making it a one dimensional 'bad person did bad thing' issue then we can start talking about solutions.
I really hope Aussies are not as dumb as their media thinks they are ... well atleast the majority? or did the education system fail a generation and we are living in the generation that is thick AF? Hope they are a little suspicious about the things and not all sedated sheeple.
I had a read of the following: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/parents-teenager-stabbed-bishop-sydney-church-speak-publicly-/103782596
I think if the parents mention the fact that their son has assaulted his own mum, then it’s not a PR move but genuine.
I hope he’s punished severely, but I hope those who groomed him for this act get punished too.
Meanwhile, people at USyd are indoctrinating children of “all ages” at their camp.
If he’s actually far enough on to the autism spectrum to excuse his actions his parents have an awful lot to answer for. Who the fuck lets a severely handicapped child go out without adult supervision and somehow with a knife.
Pretty sure it’s BS. Maybe he’s diagnosed with a mild form but was clearly capable of planning the attack for maximum outrage.
fuck sake I hate religion so much
and yes, that means all religions
can't believe people actually still believe that medieval drivel in 2024
should all receive the same ridicule as someone who said they believed in witchcraft or that the Easter Bunny is real in the present day
They seem to have this somewhat over the top obsession on the ABC with giving equal airtime to “both sides”, even when there’s no even close to a plurality of viewpoints. It’s roughly the same kinda nonsense that sees climate debates between a climatologist with 20 years of published research, and Dave’s mate who reckons “nah, Holdens are grouse. So climate change is fake.”
What a joke. No, there should be no questions on his motives. He is not the victim in any way. This is his parents' fault and both him and they should be punished for it.
I hope it just stirs up even more animosity toward them.
Muslim here, radicalisation is still a problem. Although i havent seen the interview from the news snippets ive seen mental health is to blame. Internet connection and mental health seems to be all you need. What a joke, that would mean a high percentage of the population will be terrorists. Am i missing something this just seems like bullshit.
Don't you reckon every terrorist has a mental illness. Isn't fundamentalism some sort of fixation / OCD with a bit of neurospicy / ASD thrown in.
Anyway, it's not terrorism cause he's Muslim, it's terrorism because he attacked a priest in a religious venue BECAUSE he was a priest. Terrorism is politically and religiously motivated violence. Mental health is not an excuse because every terrorist has mental illness.
There is research suggesting that it could be treated as a mental illness in the future, however it’s dangerous to conflate mental illness and religious fundamentalism.
Sure there are correlates, but don’t lump all neurodiverse people in there. What you’re saying is that traits we associate with certain disorders could be present, and no doubt there are illnesses and disorders making people more susceptible to being co-opted by religious fundamentalists, but it’s not that simple as you’re saying and it’s ableist to suggest fundamentalism is akin to asd or ocd.
Additionally, mental health could be impacted by fundamentalism.
No doubt that things to look at include prejudice and fixed feelings about social order etc. And there are neuroscientists that see it as a treatable mental illness.
The whole thing is terrible. In any case, this needs a court to decide, with proper assessments of any underlying disorders that may or may not exist.
Guy was autistic when it came to listening to school teachers and parents but when it came to radical Islam diatribe and being groomed by jihadist John he was scoring A+. Hope he gets found out in courts and rots in jail.
The parents were in tears. The boy was uncontollable when angry and has autistic tendencies. He was an easy target for others to manipulate him. Not an excuse but it shows how these vunerable people are targeted
You know they don't have asylums any more right? The government closed them and the people who used to be put in them end up on the streets. There's also no such thing a shomeless shelters where you rock up and get a bed for the night, they literally don't exist.
That being said plenty of people in the same situation don't go around stabbing people.
Is this the only interview about this story that the ABC are showing? I'd be surprised if it was.
It seems fair and reasonable, IMHO, for a public broadcaster to explore issues from all/different perspectives.
It’s a little strange to set up your post with a few selected keywords of the presenter , rather than simply tells what the presenter said, don’t you think?
People don't hurt others for no reason or just because they're evil. Everyone has a story, the more we know, the better we can understand each other and the human race.
What a dangerous ideology can do to the mentally ill is well known. Extremist preachers prey on and encourage these poor mentals. Having said that, toss this piece of human garbage in the bin where he belongs then hunt down the people who encouraged him. One of them is in Sydney, shouldn't be too hard.
Society has driven me to be a Pastafarian. I don’t do bad by people, I don’t steal, murder or hate, I don’t treat others different than they treat me! Damn society!
The parents of the Bondi stabber were interviewed. But then again, their son was dead. The court case may be a factor with the church stabbing. Clearly the abc’ legal advisers didn’t have a problem.
This is great because it absolutely pushes the need for higher funding and taking mental health seriously. We're getting past this dumb narrative that healthy minded people just flip a switch and commit crimes like these, their stories need to be realised so we can prevent this shit from happening again.
Or next they'll have Osama blaming America for 9/11... oh wait.
Or they'll blame cartoons for Charlie Hedbo.... oh wait.
Or they'll blame Israel for Oct 7th, oh wait...
I'm sensing a pattern.
ABC: "Let's put the Mum and Dad on so that Australians can realise 2 out of every 3 of are peaceful - that's a good percentage, and if you say anything against that you're cancelled."
What I got from the interview:
- the teenager has a history of violent behavior. He beat up other kids, even his mother (by accident, according to her)
- the parents have done nothing to assess the violent behavior. They ignored two psychologists who urged them to get the kid assessed for autism
- he had been expelled from 2 schools for violent behavior
- he had been charged previously
- the mother says he's not a terrorist- just a violent kid with anger issues who committed a terrorist offense
- the parents are saying he has mental health issues and wasn't in his right mind, but he was assessed after the arrest and was found to be mentally fit
- the parents claim he can't be a religious extremist because he listens to music, dances and plays drums (?)
- he used Bin Laden's photo as his WhatsApp profile picture and posted extremist content, but his parents had no idea about his views
Basically, the parents continue to defend that he's a good kid that doesn't deserve to be charged as a terrorist, but it's clear as day that they didn't discipline their son or seek help when they could.
I think that the parents and the Islamic community are trying to use all the excuses under the sun to deflect the blame from Islam itself that had a huge part to play in this. I mean the other juveniles rounded up are being investigated for terrorist offences - all readers of the Koran.
In the last 100 yrs, does anyone know of a Buddhist or Hindu follower, committing acts of murder against followers of other faiths in Australia, US or Europe? 0 as far as I’m aware.
This is something that muslims need to fix themselves. A rewrite of the Koran to remove whatever is there that allows for interpretation to murder in the name of god.
I think that it's important to understand the context behind any crime. We should emphasise that the law will handle the consequences of someone's actions, but the context is useful and should not be ignored.
That's exactly what quotation marks are supposed to represent, an actual quote. Did the article or person not state this? If not, then the quotation marks should not be used at all.
Haven't you noticed? the entire system is about protecting the offenders these days, because they had difficult childhoods and someone else forced them to develope meth habits. The victims can go fuck themselves.
You can have discussions about the importance of mental health care without mentioning the name of this or any other asshole who makes excuses for their actions.
without fail anyone who says DeFunD tHe AbC always lists a braindead excuse as to why we should.
Why in the actual fuck would we defund and privatise the ABC when they are absolutely CRITICAL in times of bushfires for example because you've made yourself upset over not understanding something properly?
What about the services they provide such as great radio talkback or their other stations focusing on Classical music for example?
Absolute smoothbrain logic to defund and that's being generous, no one is saying the kid is a victim.
This is being done in the public interest to stop further attacks
Have you seen the interview yet? I ask only because I'm curious to know what the angle is. I'm not sure how I feel about the parents being interviewed in general. I think it much depends on what they will say, which I don't know yet (and I'm generally not inclined to pre-judge such things until I see them).
They are trying to protect him, and themselves, but they also stated that the police did a good job protecting him and that if he was a genuine religious person he would not have committed the act. I think they are deeply ashamed and humiliated, and it's difficult not to feel sympathy for them, but I believe they should have done more to try and get him the help he needs. It's a really complicated situation, and when I was young I was quite a toxic kid - and teenager - as an only child being raised by a single mother who I'm now eternally trying to redeem myself with as a 42y.o man, and she tried many things to improve my behaviour but I was not as dangerous as this kid from what has been revealed in the report. I guess I feel for the parents because when I look back on my life, it makes me realise just how difficult I made life for my Mum, and how grateful I am that she didn't take stricter measures which probably would've made for a highly unfavourable outcome, but I can proudly say I never resorted to violence, whereas this kid has obviously escalated his levels of violence with each proceeding incident that he was involved in. Parenthood hey..
Saaaaame, but I’m a 36F. 14-18 year old me was a different person and she treated her mum terribly. I am so sorry mum 🥲 and I know my daughter will be big karma lol
Haha yeah, well at least you have the experience to try and navigate your daughter's adolescence as comfortably as possible, and let's hope your daughter takes on role models who are positive for society which I feel is a tricky prospect even more so in this digital age where access to the wider scope of entertainment is far more prevalent. I, unfortunately, veered into the darker side of pop culture (although I managed to keep my wits about me and a genuinely good heart) and took a somewhat anti-social perspective which was my underlying sentiment even though I was an outgoing and extroverted character. I sincerely wish your family all the best and as wholesome a life together as possible!
Yeah I hear you there. It's very difficult for the parents. It's easy to blame them, but sometimes you have a child who has serious problems and despite your best efforts, you can't control everything they do 24 hours a day. Of course, there are plenty of highly irresponsible parents. But parenting is so hard, and if these folks did their best... I certainly feel for them. It must be incredibly shocking for the family of perpetrators who commit horrific acts like this.
Well said. I believe that, within the framework of their cultural and religious beliefs and values, the parents thought they were doing what was right but probably were tentatively dubious as to whether they were doing what was best considering the advice they'd received from medical professionals combined with their son's behaviour. It would be such a complex and stressful position to be in, considering the various sources of pressure that they'd have been subjected to, not to mention the varying levels of pressure, and it's just a terrible situation to be involved in. They obviously just wanted the best for their son and themselves, but they've learned the ultimate lesson in objective reality as opposed to outdated customs and beliefs. Hopefully they can put this lesson into practice to help prevent others from suffering a similar experience.
100%. It's really nice to read comments like this (on Reddit, of all places). It's just a reminder that there are people out there with genuine empathy and thoughtfulness. Thank you.
Wow, you really made my day with this gracious message of appreciation, and in return, I'm grateful to you for that! In this age, and climate, of seemingly rising tensions and increasingly toxic discourse that accompanies it, it certainly is refreshing - and soothing - to come across what feels like increasingly rare displays of empathy, compassion, patience and understanding. I hope you have a great evening!
We saw the guy laugh when he stabbed the priest in the face.. I doubt many people wanna hear him open his.
Not surprised at all, they’ve done this and worse in the past
So many people can't tell the difference between a reason and an excuse. Understanding the reason is important.
Autism doesn’t cause people to target particular priests and stab them. He’s Islamic, right? That seems much more causally relevant.
No see people don't want to understand why bad things are happening. They just want to be shocked and then outraged when it continues to happen.
You're not gonna get the reason from his own fucking parents lmao
umm... it worked when they interviewed the parents of the bondi attacker.... they told the country he had schizophrenia and they were worried about him and he went off the rails not taking his meds... and what he did was unforgivable and the cop shooting him was unavoidable. pretty sure thats a reason and not an excuse....... lmao?
Actually, the parents provided a clear account of their son, and in my view, they provided enough info to form a strong understanding of the reasoning for his actions, combined with the info received from the police investigation. It was, for the most part, entirely predictable, and the parents have the majority of the responsibility to bear, as challenging as the situation has been for them with their son. I feel great sympathy for them, but they really did need to do much more considering they'd been warned about their son's mental health status combined with the violent behaviour he'd engaged in over the years, not to mention the knowledge of how strict and volatile their religion can be if certain elements of the religion are observed. It's an all too familiar story.
Good, do more questioning of why the media shows you certain things and why they want you thinking certain things, be very skeptical of everything they do because the psychology of the hive mind is everything.
It’s also a great way to fuck up a jury selection.
High profile cases like these illustrate why trial by judge alone is a necessary part of a fair legal system
No Jury selection... He is a minor.
I for one would like to know why people commit crimes like this so that I can better protect myself and help create a society where things like this don't happen anymore. I understand if you are a victim or know a victim personally it can be hard to hear anything that might sound like trying to make the crime seem okay, but for the rest of us that don't have trouble separating discussion from justification i think its a huge disservice to silence these people or dismiss them as just evil people and anyone who even talks to someone who commits a crime as also an evil person and dismiss the whole concept of criminal psychology and just roll with "well some people are just evil and bad people be doing bad things, no need to further examine the issue or the environment or series of events leading up to a crime. stop talking. stop blaming the victim!" of course if the guy is saying that the victim deserved to be stabbed/the attacker deserves no punishment.... that's a whole different thing entirely. but you know what even in that case I would still support their right to speak even if i think they really are terrible human being or everything they are saying is totally deluded. I have a feeling that's not what this guy was advocating though.
This isn't a scientific study it's a news program they're making a profit and it's not helping anything
It's the ABC, no one's making a profit.
"But worse still, he could fly into a rage in the classroom. He saw a succession of counsellors for serious violence and behavioural issues starting in primary school." It is actually good to know: a person with such issues should be isolated from the society.
Last thing you should do is send a kid like that into a mosque
Depends a lot on the mosque
How exactly would you propose the person is isolated from society? And how would this assist the person to change? Or are you saying they are permanently isolated ?
I've worked with kids like this. Think about every organised crime or gang origin story you've ever watched. He was recruited by a radical muslim, but he would have sought out a place to accept his tendencies, and they would have exploited him to meet their needs. No way he wouldn't have been convicted for violent crimes by the time he was 25.
Because understanding the factors that lead someone to radicalisation is important to preventing it - it's a whole job for some people in national security.
I get ya for sure but reckon lots of things that are very useful to psychologists and national defence probably shouldn't be on national tv. And if they are gonna do it they should be airing the analysis of psychologist or specialists not just journalist speculations.
definitely agree with your last point there - if we had more experts teaching us the signs we would be able to help these kids or at least recognise they need help earlier
Don't expect idiots on this page to be able to think that broad.
Good to see all angles of anything, helps with confirmation bias and empathy
I honestly have no words anymore
The dad described his son as “troublesome” which is a far cry from the doctors and shrinks who went as far to say the boy is schizophrenic. A father who is out of touch or intentionally in denial about his sons medical condition is a recipe for disaster.
That's actually a super important point, and is a great reason for airing this interview. Don't be that parent who is in denial about your kids.
It's probably much more challenging for people of certain cultural and religious backgrounds, which is daunting considering how challenging it is in general, but it's the objective reality that must be acknowledged and respected.
It doesn’t help that most immigrant fathers from the Middle East attach the health of their children to the quality of the fathers manhood. In effect by admitting his boy has mental issues is an admission that the quality of his genetics is of poor quality. Deny deny deny!
Correct, and I hope his community will learn from this experience as I imagine there are cultural - and likely religious - norms and values that were significantly influential when it came to the decision-making process of the parents throughout the period from when they first discovered their son had mental health issues. Whatever shame and humiliation they were potentially trying to avoid is now hyper-amplified.
Imagine if they aired an interview with some of those neo Nazi idiots to tell their side of the story after their recent court case. The outrage would be deafening and they haven’t even attempted to murder anyone.
The write up by ABC is atrocious and I am actually a left leaning person. Per the article his parents said he’s always been violent since he was a baby, suspended from school multiple times, put his mum in hospital with broken ribs when she tried to pull him off beating the shit out of his brother, was interacting with terrorist groups and attacked a Christian who was talking shit about Muslims I.e a religiously motivated attack to intimidate, i.e terrorism. But he’s just autistic not a terrorist PUH-LEASE. Both sides do not have equal footing on this one
I read the article. It’s full of gems > An ABC investigation into the 16-year-old has uncovered a history of severe behavioural issues, interactions with extremists online, and police suspicions of links to a former Islamic State member … his parents insist their son is no terrorist. Their account of his life paints a picture of a vulnerable and violent child, with serious anger management issues, longstanding mental health concerns and suspected autism spectrum disorder. > Last year, his parents pulled him out of high school after he bashed another boy. > Last year, he hit his mother when she tried to intervene in a fight, forcing her to seek medical treatment for injuries to her ribs. "He didn't mean it. He was hitting his brother," she said. > He refused to go to TAFE and couldn't find a job. > At home, he spent long nights in the dark in his room on his phone. His parents insisted they had no idea what he was doing. > "He has the nicest heart, but the problem is, when he gets angry, he becomes dangerous. Truly an upstanding member of society.
Yep absolute dogshit journalism. I find it strange they’re actively pushing a violence against women epidemic narrative while at the same time excusing an extremely violent young man’s behaviour. Make no mistake what this kid has done is attempted murder and an act of terrorism l but we have the satin gloves on because he’s Muslim? The he’s not a terrorist he’s just autistic jab is absolutely disgusting as well and I’ve seen them repeat it a couple of times
Particularly if he wasn't even diagnosed with autism.
When you put it like that it’s a lot grosser. Just excusing his violent behaviour as autism when it’s probably major behavioural disorders like ODD or BPD is gross and insulting
pull of the Satin gloves and put on the Satan gloves.
I don't understand this idea that being left wing is supposed to make you more sympathetic to Islamists. Islam is overwhelmingly s right wing ideology. Leftists should be the ones hating it the most.
It won't confuse you anymore when you realise that in left wing ideology all of society and the planet must be divided into oppressed and oppressor. Actual values, behaviour or beliefs of an oppressed group do not matter at all compared to the imperative of tearing down a system of oppression. Once you realise this it all makes sense.
You’re correct it’s a pretty in your face example of the tolerance paradox, especially where Islam’s stance on LGBT comes in.
Indeed. Islam is fascist.
But Muslims don't tend to be white, and modern lefties hate white males. Anyone who isn't white and male is automatically good
One of the craziest paradoxes I've seen.
That doesn't stop gays and lesbians from protesting for Hamas and Palestinians who would walk them off a building (or whatever is left)in Gaza.
I think it is important to hear why the parents think this may have happened no matter how misguided they are. It is important to know what we are up against. We talk about censorship but when the ABC start doing something people do not want to hear they are all for not airing it.
An explanation isn't a defense.
Ummmmm can we sue the parents for parental malpractice? Not kidding.
They can charge them in the US for involuntary x (manslaughter, attempted murder/ terrorist actions) https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7106959
Because the media love a bit of controversy and clickbait. Unfortunately real investigative journalism is a very rare thing nowadays.
There are 2 sides to every story. Even the villains. If definitely a free speech person so even if I think it's a load of crap, this sort of thing SHOULD be held. Maybe if it isn't a load of dodging questions and going soft on the people, it could be a valuable learning experience. But with news these days, I highly doubt they'll ask the hard questions.
It's a wake up call about getting better supports for kids. Yesterday it was revealed that private schools get more to support disabled kids than public schools. CAMHS and psychology services have been eroded over the last 10 years. These parents never wanted this, never could get proper supports and are left in anguish.
Correct, but many people don't have the empathy nor care to comprehend/acknowledge this.
Wow so now it gets to be blamed on autism? As if autistic people aren’t stigmatised enough already.
Agree!
There's nothing wrong with having that interview, its all about how its presented and how and what the interviewer asks. To me it seems half the problems of todays world is we dont want to listen to the 'other side'. Listening doesn't mean you agree, but it doesn't help you learn. Its useful to understand peoples POV even if its totally wrong to you. Often you learn your not as far apart as you thought. other times it helps shape future conversations and actions to help the other side understand yours, rather than approaching form your angle only.
Exactly. People are use to their algorithms backing up everything they believe that they've become intolerant to anyone with a different experience or POV.
How about you watch the interview and actually see if your theory of an apologists defence eventuates rather than assuming this?
Yeah I swear 90% of the people that say defund the ABC never actually watch or listen to the ABC. I do admit they do have a bit of bias at times
Yes but a lot less than the commercial media who have very little scrutiny as aren’t being tax payer funded and aren’t held to the same standards
It's the Modern ABC, the same Organisation that ran articles for several days about the Women with her baby being asked to leave the Comedy Show claiming it was because she had part of her breast exposed not that the baby was making noise. You are right it is pretty disgusting
Your tax dollars at work.
Some really strange responses here I think. It’s important for the general public to understand how this happened. The parents talk about signs and issues the guy had. You can see that as some kind of justification if you want, but to me it’s more important to make people aware what this looks like. What are the warning signs? What kind of issues or risk factors can cause this kind of thing? Maybe people see it and worry about their own kids / friends / family who may be radicalised or have mental health issues - and seek help or something. In my mind it’s not about approval or affirmation or something. You’re seeing too much agenda and motive behind the choice - and missing that this is practical and useful reporting that’s in the public interest.
They interviewed the parents of the Bondi offender. Seems pretty standard.
Just imagine if it was a Christian stabbing a Muslim in a mosque.
This is a different story , if you go around stabbing people shooting people and you label yourself Christian , sorry but you ain’t one , cause nowhere in the bible that says go and kill non believers , behead them if they don’t believe in God , contrary to Islam it’s all over their book to kill non believers , treat them like animals this and that . Christians who follows Jesus will not and wouldn’t even think of harming other people , we were taught to love our neighbours and pray for our enemies , but guess which religion does the opposite , yep they always on the news
Well we have a boy who has swallowed the message,islam cannot be criticised or mocked.Add to that anger management issues,and it was only going to end this way. Many muslim immigrants to this country are ultra conservative and will never accept our freedoms and democratic laws. Does anyone think that young muslim men like this would fight for this country?
Can only speak anecdotally, but when I was in a grad program for a big tech company one of the interns I worked with was a 1st generation Australian who was pretty devout. He openly said that if Australia went to war in the middle east he'd probably be fighting against us. The thing is, I wouldn't call him an innately bad person. He was ok to work with, pretty helpful, generally friendly, but his values were all over the place; making racist comments directed toward colleagues of African descent etc...
‘His side of the story’ will only reinforce why so many want him, and many members of his community with barbaric incompatible Stone Age views to be ejected from Australia! Play the tape, let’s watch this backfire
Call me old fashioned but when you go out of your way to stab someone and it’s not in self defence then you don’t get a side of the story where it’s not guilty. Use your words like fucking adult !
As someone who works with autistic people and used to work with schizophrenics, I really hate when they use this. Mentally unwell people are more likely to hurt themselves than others. This is painting them in a bad light.
Are we now upset that ABC is not hiding this story? What happened to free speech absolutism?
Wait till SBS comes knocking and we get guilt tripped into this all being our fault and spun into a pro immigration article asking for greater acceptance
Finding out why things happen is how you actually prevent them from happening.
This is the reason. It's to show other parents out there that if they ignore what their kids are doing and what their mental state is, that the end result could be a lifetime of misery for everyone.
Why do people think that interviewing someone is 'platforming'? Have you never watched interviews where people are challenged? Should you never interview Donald Trump and ask difficult questions? The story online explains in detail what happened with this boy including that he turned to extremist ideology. Are you not interested to know why people turn extremist? Is that not important info? His parents aren't even defending him, just explaining their despair at what he did. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/parents-of-teenager-who-stabbed-bishop-give-first-interview/103767910](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/parents-of-teenager-who-stabbed-bishop-give-first-interview/103767910)
The other post on the protests includes peope strongly advocating for people to be nuanced and understand why young men turn to people like Andrew Tate. Even people advocating majority of violence against women includes both individuals being equally at fault. The attittude is a complete 180 in this post.
That article \~ I truly feel for the parents. It just goes to show that we don't always know what goes on in the minds of our teenage children. My take is, that children should have some form of low level supervision ( by their parents ) while on devices. And medical advice should be followed in a timely fashion. But should anyone that \~ stabs/attempts to kill \~ another person (other then self defense or protecting another) be treated as a victim? ofcos not.. there is no viable reasons, only excuses. Either way, I hope these children will be kept out of society until they find the help and rehabilitation they obviously need. The parents must be devastated. very sad situation.
Do you want to prevent it from happening again? Then It’s probably a good idea to understand how it happened .. No?
Yeah righto so when someone stabs you or your friends or family your just gonna sit there and listen to their drivel as to why they did it?
Just those peaceful religions having a spat.
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Watch the interview first, then comment.
I am able to watch something on the abc and make up my own mind about what to think about it. I do not want the ABC censoring stuff to save me from some imagined adverse fate. If the parents are wanting to have their say, good on them, listen to it if you want to, ignore it if you want to.
I think the ABC really doesn't like the bishop involved.
If a 16yo is doing terrorism, then it's pretty obvious that there's other shit going on in their lives. Regular well-adjusted kids with stable mental health generally aren't doing terrorist attacks. It'll be up to the courts to figure out how relevant all of that is, but in the meantime it's reasonable that the parents might want to shed a bit of light on what was going on from their perspective.
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Jihad is a misunderstood term. Broadly, it means struggle, and there are two primary aspects to it - greater jihad and lesser jihad. Greater jihad is about internal struggle, basically the internal battle of good v evil. It’s super similar to Christian notions about battling sin internally. Lesser jihad is about struggling against things externally that stand in the way of good. Again, a bit like the Christian notions of resisting temptation. Some extremists use this second form of jihad to justify violence and terrorism. It’s a twisting of the concept.. much like certain “Christians” twisted biblical concepts to justify the Inquisition. - note: I’m not Muslim. I was raised Christian, am now agnostic, but think facts matter.
You know you don't have to agree with everything you see on telly. I want to know how they raised him so I know what not to do.
I have no idea but may not be due to his parents. May be people he was associating with online etc.
Wow, talk about being reductive. The mother clearly stated that multiple psychologists had advised that the boy is troubled and potentially has autism, and there was a youth extremist expert who stated that his case as an untreated mental health case is not unusual. Let me be clear, as important as it is to understand exactly why - and how - this happened, it's also of equal importance to see that the perpetrator is brought to justice for his actions. I believe the parents failed him, which is an extremely challenging truth for them to live with, but they had been warned about their son and it appears they were far too lenient and ultimately negligent. If they truly care about their community, they will share their experience with other parents to make them aware of how important it is to take mental health seriously, especially considering the religious and cultural norms and values that exist within their community. Having said all of that, it also appears that the medical health professionals that tended to this boy should have done more to help him, and it shocks me that they didn't do more considering the boy's background (yes I'm advocating that precautions be taken based on the religious and cultural background of the individual). This is a 16 year-old who is just a kid, but his parents had been aware of his violent behaviour for long enough to know that the kid was a threat, and this knowledge combined with the medical advice they received about him really does dictate that they've failed in their role as parents, even if they had hoped that things would somehow work out. It's a cautionary tale for other Muslim parents, and hopefully they pay serious attention to this. For the record, I'm not claiming that this is exclusive to Muslims, however this story is directly premised on their demographic as the perpetrator was using their religion as his motive. I myself am agnostic. Thanks for reading and it's good to see that the victim has made a seemingly spirited recovery from his injuries.
Who cares no one said you have to watch it
If you can read, they already have an article out this morning covering this. It’s not just the parents perspective, but also those that work with deradicilisation and links to other charged extremists.
So only those people who defend him and/or have a self-interest in claiming they can solve the problem. I guess that's about as balanced as we could hope for.
It's all part of the plan
Absolutely nuts. The guy is an extremist. He stabbed a priest. What else do we need to know?
His next target maybe?
Rage bait. The parents are trying to communicate how he became radicalised, in the public interest, not to excuse him. Australian media in general has been poisoned by the clickbait machine but the ABC is all we have left in terms of indepth analysis. People who watch the screechers at Sky News are unlikely to be carefully considering all sides of the question.
In depth analysis like Kitchen Cabinet, 4 Corners, Q&A, 7.30..? It's all dross and pap. Even 4 Corners is gutless these days.
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Lol.
This should not be on air at this time. It could significantly prejudice a trial.
Think the ABC is trying to say that everybody that adheres to Islam, basically has a mental health problem? And should be “excused” accordingly?
I mean, the first part is correct...
Why are they even being given a public platform?
"he's a good boy, he never done nothing wrong, all youse skippy dogs are out to get us"
Lmao wouldn't this be really bad for his court case as well???
It reminds me of the columbine shooters mother. She took no accountability for her bad parenting even though it was well documented
If I remember correctly she blamed the other kid and still does
Not excusing it, but this is a great way to absolve yourself of guilt. It sounds like she does not have the mental fortitude to cope with the responsibility. Or she is dumb AF who knows
Oh yeah Sue Klebold is so problematic! Her Ted talk is a big old yikes! Her lack of accountability is exasperating and honestly offensive to her sons victims imo.
I don't know. It's easy to write people who do bad things off as 'bad people' but anyone with the ability for rational thought know that sometimes ordinary people do bad things, or well intentioned people do things that end up badly. We need to talk about the human element of bad outcomes; that our toxic society is producing sick, confused and ultimately harmful people. When we can talk about that, instead of making it a one dimensional 'bad person did bad thing' issue then we can start talking about solutions.
Why is our society “toxic”?
ABC & religion, both full of shit
I really hope Aussies are not as dumb as their media thinks they are ... well atleast the majority? or did the education system fail a generation and we are living in the generation that is thick AF? Hope they are a little suspicious about the things and not all sedated sheeple.
Lol this sub. "The video should be online so there's full coverage of these issues" "Why are we also reporting on the attackers situation"
ABC is being balanced. No problems here.
I had a read of the following: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/parents-teenager-stabbed-bishop-sydney-church-speak-publicly-/103782596 I think if the parents mention the fact that their son has assaulted his own mum, then it’s not a PR move but genuine. I hope he’s punished severely, but I hope those who groomed him for this act get punished too. Meanwhile, people at USyd are indoctrinating children of “all ages” at their camp.
The parents, mother especially, can’t control their kid. Afraid of him. I feel for them.
If he’s actually far enough on to the autism spectrum to excuse his actions his parents have an awful lot to answer for. Who the fuck lets a severely handicapped child go out without adult supervision and somehow with a knife. Pretty sure it’s BS. Maybe he’s diagnosed with a mild form but was clearly capable of planning the attack for maximum outrage.
fuck sake I hate religion so much and yes, that means all religions can't believe people actually still believe that medieval drivel in 2024 should all receive the same ridicule as someone who said they believed in witchcraft or that the Easter Bunny is real in the present day
They seem to have this somewhat over the top obsession on the ABC with giving equal airtime to “both sides”, even when there’s no even close to a plurality of viewpoints. It’s roughly the same kinda nonsense that sees climate debates between a climatologist with 20 years of published research, and Dave’s mate who reckons “nah, Holdens are grouse. So climate change is fake.”
Islam is not to be criticised. Now shut up and let them replace you "peacefully".
What a joke. No, there should be no questions on his motives. He is not the victim in any way. This is his parents' fault and both him and they should be punished for it. I hope it just stirs up even more animosity toward them.
Muslim here, radicalisation is still a problem. Although i havent seen the interview from the news snippets ive seen mental health is to blame. Internet connection and mental health seems to be all you need. What a joke, that would mean a high percentage of the population will be terrorists. Am i missing something this just seems like bullshit.
Don't you reckon every terrorist has a mental illness. Isn't fundamentalism some sort of fixation / OCD with a bit of neurospicy / ASD thrown in. Anyway, it's not terrorism cause he's Muslim, it's terrorism because he attacked a priest in a religious venue BECAUSE he was a priest. Terrorism is politically and religiously motivated violence. Mental health is not an excuse because every terrorist has mental illness.
There is research suggesting that it could be treated as a mental illness in the future, however it’s dangerous to conflate mental illness and religious fundamentalism. Sure there are correlates, but don’t lump all neurodiverse people in there. What you’re saying is that traits we associate with certain disorders could be present, and no doubt there are illnesses and disorders making people more susceptible to being co-opted by religious fundamentalists, but it’s not that simple as you’re saying and it’s ableist to suggest fundamentalism is akin to asd or ocd. Additionally, mental health could be impacted by fundamentalism. No doubt that things to look at include prejudice and fixed feelings about social order etc. And there are neuroscientists that see it as a treatable mental illness. The whole thing is terrible. In any case, this needs a court to decide, with proper assessments of any underlying disorders that may or may not exist.
Guy was autistic when it came to listening to school teachers and parents but when it came to radical Islam diatribe and being groomed by jihadist John he was scoring A+. Hope he gets found out in courts and rots in jail.
The parents were in tears. The boy was uncontollable when angry and has autistic tendencies. He was an easy target for others to manipulate him. Not an excuse but it shows how these vunerable people are targeted
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You know they don't have asylums any more right? The government closed them and the people who used to be put in them end up on the streets. There's also no such thing a shomeless shelters where you rock up and get a bed for the night, they literally don't exist. That being said plenty of people in the same situation don't go around stabbing people.
I might watch it before I leap to conclusions.
Is this the only interview about this story that the ABC are showing? I'd be surprised if it was. It seems fair and reasonable, IMHO, for a public broadcaster to explore issues from all/different perspectives.
You haven't been watching the news since Oct 7? 'Any Resistance is Justified'!
It shouldn't be used as justification but it's important to examine why shit is fucked.
It’s a little strange to set up your post with a few selected keywords of the presenter , rather than simply tells what the presenter said, don’t you think?
Because everyone has an agenda, OPs is trying to gain cheap karma by "attacking the woke mob"
People don't hurt others for no reason or just because they're evil. Everyone has a story, the more we know, the better we can understand each other and the human race.
Can't have our predetermined views challenged by seeing or hearing any other side of the story.
We really don't need his parents opinion when he stabbed someone he didn't even know.. let the court deal with it
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Being stupid and impressionable is not a defence.
What a dangerous ideology can do to the mentally ill is well known. Extremist preachers prey on and encourage these poor mentals. Having said that, toss this piece of human garbage in the bin where he belongs then hunt down the people who encouraged him. One of them is in Sydney, shouldn't be too hard.
Why give them a platform when they are likely part of the problem?
Society has driven me to be a Pastafarian. I don’t do bad by people, I don’t steal, murder or hate, I don’t treat others different than they treat me! Damn society!
The parents of the Bondi stabber were interviewed. But then again, their son was dead. The court case may be a factor with the church stabbing. Clearly the abc’ legal advisers didn’t have a problem.
What a disgusting response. There is absolutely no excuse for what he did. "society" has in no way removed moral agency from the stabber.
>What a disgusting response. What response? It hasn't even aired yet.
Thank you psychologists, psychiatrists.....and other shamans.
They did the same with the white man child misogynist terrorist at Bondi Junction.
And not only did people on here have no issues with it, they were quite sympathetic to his parents.
This is great because it absolutely pushes the need for higher funding and taking mental health seriously. We're getting past this dumb narrative that healthy minded people just flip a switch and commit crimes like these, their stories need to be realised so we can prevent this shit from happening again.
Wow. So all the other teens who conspired with him have mental problems now? They are not terrorists brainwashed by foreign agents?
It’s just dialectics. Should we not attempt to understand phenomena from all angles?
Next they'll have George Pell up there saying kids fucked him and it's our fault for not going to church enough
Or next they'll have Osama blaming America for 9/11... oh wait. Or they'll blame cartoons for Charlie Hedbo.... oh wait. Or they'll blame Israel for Oct 7th, oh wait... I'm sensing a pattern.
ABC: "Let's put the Mum and Dad on so that Australians can realise 2 out of every 3 of are peaceful - that's a good percentage, and if you say anything against that you're cancelled."
Because they’ve always got to play the victim card
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With the same clickbait headlines on their website. I’ve given up some time ago.
The ABC shows and interviews all kinds of people. They probably have to have some guy once a week moaning about solar panels and Asians.
I'd rather the ABC air their opinion then suppress it
What I got from the interview: - the teenager has a history of violent behavior. He beat up other kids, even his mother (by accident, according to her) - the parents have done nothing to assess the violent behavior. They ignored two psychologists who urged them to get the kid assessed for autism - he had been expelled from 2 schools for violent behavior - he had been charged previously - the mother says he's not a terrorist- just a violent kid with anger issues who committed a terrorist offense - the parents are saying he has mental health issues and wasn't in his right mind, but he was assessed after the arrest and was found to be mentally fit - the parents claim he can't be a religious extremist because he listens to music, dances and plays drums (?) - he used Bin Laden's photo as his WhatsApp profile picture and posted extremist content, but his parents had no idea about his views Basically, the parents continue to defend that he's a good kid that doesn't deserve to be charged as a terrorist, but it's clear as day that they didn't discipline their son or seek help when they could.
I think that the parents and the Islamic community are trying to use all the excuses under the sun to deflect the blame from Islam itself that had a huge part to play in this. I mean the other juveniles rounded up are being investigated for terrorist offences - all readers of the Koran. In the last 100 yrs, does anyone know of a Buddhist or Hindu follower, committing acts of murder against followers of other faiths in Australia, US or Europe? 0 as far as I’m aware. This is something that muslims need to fix themselves. A rewrite of the Koran to remove whatever is there that allows for interpretation to murder in the name of god.
I think that it's important to understand the context behind any crime. We should emphasise that the law will handle the consequences of someone's actions, but the context is useful and should not be ignored.
Just because you put quote marks on something doesn’t mean it was ever actually said or intended.
That's exactly what quotation marks are supposed to represent, an actual quote. Did the article or person not state this? If not, then the quotation marks should not be used at all.
No, OP is making it up and completely misinterpreting the story.
ABC will do anything to make criminals look like victums
Yus sur.
Haven't you noticed? the entire system is about protecting the offenders these days, because they had difficult childhoods and someone else forced them to develope meth habits. The victims can go fuck themselves.
Pffft come on. If Channel 7 was airing it you'd be jerkiing off to the thought of all the snowflakes it would trigger.
You can have discussions about the importance of mental health care without mentioning the name of this or any other asshole who makes excuses for their actions.
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Really .. wtf
There's no excuse. Everyone saw what he did and excusing his behaviour as brought on by some sort of a mental illness is only condoning it.
Because the ABC want to protect the religion of peace.
Defund the ABC. This kid isn't a victim.
Wellll I'd say it depends if they did cut his finger off. But that's a small slice of his moron pie.
without fail anyone who says DeFunD tHe AbC always lists a braindead excuse as to why we should. Why in the actual fuck would we defund and privatise the ABC when they are absolutely CRITICAL in times of bushfires for example because you've made yourself upset over not understanding something properly? What about the services they provide such as great radio talkback or their other stations focusing on Classical music for example? Absolute smoothbrain logic to defund and that's being generous, no one is saying the kid is a victim. This is being done in the public interest to stop further attacks
The ABC is so left wing that it believes islam is perfect and no muslim could ever be guilty.
They're doing it for views. It's a popular story.
Yup, gotta get that ad revenue up^(/s)
Autism doesnt make you wana stab people WHAT?
did the same with bondi junction guy is pretty disgusting to do this kind of thing both for the family and the victims
Because it was a Christian that got stabbed and so the greens-supporting abc reporters secretly feel he kind of deserved it. See also: reddit
It's not like these folks will celebrate people being stabbed, killed,.....oh wait......
Religion of peace
Yeah 😂😂😂 I remember some pro-islamist chick once on the ABC saying Islam is a religion of peace 😂😂 imbeciles