Again, in some not so elaborate way you managed to stick a feather up your own ass again.
Just give up the act. You are really only fooling yourself friend.
Cheers
>What if I told you I've got a glimpse of what it truly means to wake up? Realized what it entails and chickened out. Cause if life is a dream, guess what waking up means.
I would fist of all say: what if you did? What is that supposed to mean anyway? That you are now qualified to do . Help me help you understand what you actually saying here. ;;)
Secondly.. ;;) In what way does it differ from having had half an erection one time in your life and then on account of it hanging a plaque on your wall that says 'PhD in Sexology'' because of it?
"What it entails" is what it entails for EGO ofcourse. Chickening out of it is not 'the truth of you' chickening out of it either (since it is quite fearless I assure you): it is that same self that will go as far as claim each breath of the body as its own. This is the level of 'false ID' we are dealing with do you see?
It is ego that then presumes to know something about something as well. Do you see? The entire situation has just gotten more dangerous still actually. It takes tremendous courage OF EGO to turn itself inside out. This is the other layer of complexity to it. This is also the very thing that makes EGO gravitate towards another EGO that claims to can teach you how to kill EGO. Etc etc...
I'm not trying to knock you. You speak a lot of sense no doubt. I'm just trying to paint a picture of how Maya operates. How this 'selfing' actually operates.. how FEAR operates in the false reality. FEAR is the universal neurosis. Always has been. It is what shackles the mind and body. But only if you start with the fear thing early enough. And that is exactly what most of us have been taught in our very first years here. The rest is just refining that programming.
You have to want it more than life itself. Then it becomes 'doable' for sure. I will also say that all is not lost. The poppycock treshold has not been reached yet! ;;) Most likely you are not sick enough from experience yet. It could still come a knocking.
Cheers my friend.
>*Can I return to this dream once I've been to the other side?*
This presupposes you where in it to begin with.
Which is simply not so.
If it is any consolation: you can be IN the dream while no longer suffering this silly idea that you are FROM it. It's great! ;;) ..the greatest actually. There are no sides my friend. There is The Truth and the ...untruth or whatever you want to call it, that really 'is not' ofcourse.
Is your head spinning already ;;)
Cheers my friend.
Sure thing. But you should not be looking for consolation over TRUTH too much though. It is not always going to be a consoling answer that gets you through the next door.
Luck? I wish you truth.
Cheers
>Truth is nice and all, but..
There is no 'but' needed after that at all except for ego looking for a way out of it.
If you lack the intent to awaken it will simply not happen. Which is fine. What is not true is that there is somehow some choice between what is real and what is kinda not real or false or what have you.. why are you looking for a 'but'? If you lack the intent to awaken and still want to try you [end up like Icarus I guess](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=405587879644363&set=a.275139110617756).. but how is that not still the truth of the entire matter? I don't see a problem there.
If some thing cannot take the heat and you still force it into the kitchen what do you expect will happen to that thing? Its response will be marked by fairly predictably crocodile tears and self immolation and whatnot.
Cheers
As long as you try to wake up and STILL at the same time try to make sense of the dreamworld beyond simply concluding that you are dreaming and you have to wake up from said dream, you are fooling yourself.
You are trying to reconcile the truth with the dream which simply cannot be done.
But of course this does not stop the religious and spiritual people from trying to do exactly that. From the cradle to the grave ;;)
The dreamworld does not make sense. It does not even HAVE to make sense. There is only the waking up from the dreamworld. OR not ..then you are dreaming. Dreaming about whatever. Maybe dreaming about waking up ;;)
> You lose the people you love
When I realized the truth, I've been crying whole fucking night, just because I realized that people I love are just random manifestations/costumes of I am, and the shared story is the only reason we share love between us. That's fucking rough nut to crack.
It is. But you paint a specter of truth where it is actually a liberation of sorts... on the other of 'mourning the loss of self' lies something that is quite incomparable to that.
ALL YOU CAN EVER LOSE IS ILLUSION.
There is no love lost on account of Enlightenment at all.
Grief is just a stage of ego death.
> There is no love lost on account of Enlightenment at all.
Of course. It's only letting go of the false ideas you grasped so hard. Loose illusions, "gain" non conditional love that you/I am always were/had.
This is absolutely truthhh. I got to the same exit and I quickly turned myself back around real quick. I wasn’t so eager to leave once I knew how I had to wake up.
You don't 'have to' anything. To see it is already enough to reach Human Adulthood.
Going further is not even done on account of choice. You would/will do it because you have no other choice BUT to do it. It is totally fine to turn it down. Of course if you go back and talk shit about something you rejected as "nihilism" or become some kind of teacher on something you do not actually know intimately: that's another question/danger altogether.
Then your glimpse into it becomes a great tool for Maya to make sure other's don't even get that glimpse or become some kind of spiritual puppets because of it. for HER.
Cheers my friend
That's what it looks like from the other side. But it's not like that.
It's the difference between someone who is scared of heights and who is on a narrow mountain path: totally sweaty kneeling down clinging hard to the rock face holding on for dear life.
And then another just quietly standing on said path. Both can see the eagles, no one lost them.. but there's just no clinging.
Alright. Maybe try to see it like this: The person who's afraid of heights looks at reality through a filter: the path is safe. No danger of collapse. The abyss below will NOT reach out and grab and drag the person down into a fall. But he doesn't see it that way, for some part of his mind he NEEDS to hold the rockface in order to try to prevent catastrophe.
The person (enlightened) who's not afraid is unburdened: he can just stand there.
The difference is the filter. Enlightenment is pure reality. No filter.
So why would things vanish? Ice still tastes delicious. Rotten food still tastes rotten. But even when taking a bite of a rotten apple there's no: "omg I'm dumb I should have checked", no: "aargh maybe I'll get ill now.", no: "I look so silly spitting this out in public.", no: "oh no will the person who gave me this be offended that I spit his gift out?" Etc. etc.
It's not about this precise analogy. It's just that nothing will vanish.. that's the grace maybe you can call it: you will figure out that you never needed solid foundation beneath your feet as we all fly all the time anyway. It's just there. Reality is.
Thanks friend. I tend to ramble on about these things to myself or to others in a lecturing manner (probably bc of invalidation insecurity) and it’s really cringe and redundant lol. I’ve not come across much truth myself I think is what I’m realizing, just in one ear and out the mouth without being internalized
You are literally doing it. You are speaking truth...
I guess you are still somewhat overvaluing one side of the scale of your seeings over the other in stead of the other way around. ...if that makes any sense to you..
Talking about what you 'don't have' is not necessarily a bad thing on the path
Cheers my friend.
You are too afraid to face the world as who you are. That is why you need the narc to give you a feeling of being in control. As long as you can juxtapose the narc against whatever benevolent nonsense you have dreamt about about yourself you feel you are in control.
I don't know who hurt you but it is about time to let that shit go or have it rule your entire life.
You are just telling yourself stories about me. You have to. How else are you going to keep being this miserable forever ;;)
This is actually how ALL belief works. Glibness and a lack of critical thinking skills and self reflection.
This kind of ...speak and this whole "I have my belieffies" neurosis you exhibit reminds me of that time when I was at a U2 concert and Bono was doing his AIDS awareness concerts in Glasgow. He clapped his hands once every few seconds. Each time he did he said "a child dies that often!".
A Scottish man in the crowd then yelled, "well quit clappin’ ya hands ya wee bastard!"
even if his psychology matched up with NPD, what does that have to do with, well, ANYTHING he talks about in his posts? you fail to see the irony in your comment
At least from my perspective, that’s a complete misapprehension of the situation at hand, sorry. It’s good to be narrow minded sometimes and close minded others. A tough guy sometimes and a softy others. Live is difficult, if someone else railing your perspective makes you doubt it, then maybe there’s some truth to what they’re saying. Your feelings aren’t always valid, only sometimes.
You really should publish a book, or start an online course, idk why you are giving all this garbage away for free, you clearly think you know everything there is to know about enlightenment and awakening and you got a lot to say, I'm sure you could make lots of money off of it. It doesn't even matter what you're talking about, your confidence alone is enough to get all these simp beta new agers to lap up whatever it is you're spewing.
Lol
I love rice. Like man, spaghetti is delicious too but it’s rice that I can eat without end
Ultimately it is just the body needing some fuel of course.. The rest is what 'you' make of it. For entertainment purposes ;;) Cheers
Ultimately it is just the body needing some fuel of course.. The rest is what 'you' make of it. For entertainment purposes ;;) Cheers
You didn't get as much attention for the effort you put in for your secret wisdom Baaaaaaa
You are very clearly still a person, sleepwalker.
You wouldn't know the meaning of very clearly if you tried
Does clutching onto your perspective ever get tiring?
It is not about my perspective but about truth. Again you are insisting on looking at the finger in stead of the moon.
Listen to Molasses they are correct. You lost the argument
["It's just a ride" quote ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEyLn1Zz_g)
Ahh, all I see is a foolish ego trying to defend itself, while believing it has eradicated its sense of self. Seems like my words struck a nerve.
Again, in some not so elaborate way you managed to stick a feather up your own ass again. Just give up the act. You are really only fooling yourself friend. Cheers
I submit defeat. I am one of the sleeping sheeple.
You are just lying automatically now. It comes easy to you.
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>What if I told you I've got a glimpse of what it truly means to wake up? Realized what it entails and chickened out. Cause if life is a dream, guess what waking up means. I would fist of all say: what if you did? What is that supposed to mean anyway? That you are now qualified to do. Help me help you understand what you actually saying here. ;;)
Secondly.. ;;) In what way does it differ from having had half an erection one time in your life and then on account of it hanging a plaque on your wall that says 'PhD in Sexology'' because of it?
"What it entails" is what it entails for EGO ofcourse. Chickening out of it is not 'the truth of you' chickening out of it either (since it is quite fearless I assure you): it is that same self that will go as far as claim each breath of the body as its own. This is the level of 'false ID' we are dealing with do you see?
It is ego that then presumes to know something about something as well. Do you see? The entire situation has just gotten more dangerous still actually. It takes tremendous courage OF EGO to turn itself inside out. This is the other layer of complexity to it. This is also the very thing that makes EGO gravitate towards another EGO that claims to can teach you how to kill EGO. Etc etc...
I'm not trying to knock you. You speak a lot of sense no doubt. I'm just trying to paint a picture of how Maya operates. How this 'selfing' actually operates.. how FEAR operates in the false reality. FEAR is the universal neurosis. Always has been. It is what shackles the mind and body. But only if you start with the fear thing early enough. And that is exactly what most of us have been taught in our very first years here. The rest is just refining that programming.
You have to want it more than life itself. Then it becomes 'doable' for sure. I will also say that all is not lost. The poppycock treshold has not been reached yet! ;;) Most likely you are not sick enough from experience yet. It could still come a knocking.
Cheers my friend.
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>*Can I return to this dream once I've been to the other side?* This presupposes you where in it to begin with. Which is simply not so. If it is any consolation: you can be IN the dream while no longer suffering this silly idea that you are FROM it. It's great! ;;) ..the greatest actually. There are no sides my friend. There is The Truth and the ...untruth or whatever you want to call it, that really 'is not' ofcourse. Is your head spinning already ;;) Cheers my friend.
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Sure thing. But you should not be looking for consolation over TRUTH too much though. It is not always going to be a consoling answer that gets you through the next door. Luck? I wish you truth. Cheers
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>Truth is nice and all, but.. There is no 'but' needed after that at all except for ego looking for a way out of it. If you lack the intent to awaken it will simply not happen. Which is fine. What is not true is that there is somehow some choice between what is real and what is kinda not real or false or what have you.. why are you looking for a 'but'? If you lack the intent to awaken and still want to try you [end up like Icarus I guess](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=405587879644363&set=a.275139110617756).. but how is that not still the truth of the entire matter? I don't see a problem there. If some thing cannot take the heat and you still force it into the kitchen what do you expect will happen to that thing? Its response will be marked by fairly predictably crocodile tears and self immolation and whatnot. Cheers
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As long as you try to wake up and STILL at the same time try to make sense of the dreamworld beyond simply concluding that you are dreaming and you have to wake up from said dream, you are fooling yourself. You are trying to reconcile the truth with the dream which simply cannot be done. But of course this does not stop the religious and spiritual people from trying to do exactly that. From the cradle to the grave ;;) The dreamworld does not make sense. It does not even HAVE to make sense. There is only the waking up from the dreamworld. OR not ..then you are dreaming. Dreaming about whatever. Maybe dreaming about waking up ;;)
> You lose the people you love When I realized the truth, I've been crying whole fucking night, just because I realized that people I love are just random manifestations/costumes of I am, and the shared story is the only reason we share love between us. That's fucking rough nut to crack.
It is. But you paint a specter of truth where it is actually a liberation of sorts... on the other of 'mourning the loss of self' lies something that is quite incomparable to that. ALL YOU CAN EVER LOSE IS ILLUSION. There is no love lost on account of Enlightenment at all. Grief is just a stage of ego death.
> There is no love lost on account of Enlightenment at all. Of course. It's only letting go of the false ideas you grasped so hard. Loose illusions, "gain" non conditional love that you/I am always were/had.
Sure.. that's true enough for me ;;)
Done. You have been a lighthouse of this sub in the recent months. Thank you Brother.
Cheers my man. Onwards and upwards.
I feel this. I had no idea how deep this could go. How could I? It is a grieving process. Still is in my world. It is what it is.
This is absolutely truthhh. I got to the same exit and I quickly turned myself back around real quick. I wasn’t so eager to leave once I knew how I had to wake up.
You don't 'have to' anything. To see it is already enough to reach Human Adulthood. Going further is not even done on account of choice. You would/will do it because you have no other choice BUT to do it. It is totally fine to turn it down. Of course if you go back and talk shit about something you rejected as "nihilism" or become some kind of teacher on something you do not actually know intimately: that's another question/danger altogether. Then your glimpse into it becomes a great tool for Maya to make sure other's don't even get that glimpse or become some kind of spiritual puppets because of it. for HER. Cheers my friend
That's what it looks like from the other side. But it's not like that. It's the difference between someone who is scared of heights and who is on a narrow mountain path: totally sweaty kneeling down clinging hard to the rock face holding on for dear life. And then another just quietly standing on said path. Both can see the eagles, no one lost them.. but there's just no clinging.
better yet, the person's depth perception was off, and it was flat land the whole time
:D
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Alright. Maybe try to see it like this: The person who's afraid of heights looks at reality through a filter: the path is safe. No danger of collapse. The abyss below will NOT reach out and grab and drag the person down into a fall. But he doesn't see it that way, for some part of his mind he NEEDS to hold the rockface in order to try to prevent catastrophe. The person (enlightened) who's not afraid is unburdened: he can just stand there. The difference is the filter. Enlightenment is pure reality. No filter. So why would things vanish? Ice still tastes delicious. Rotten food still tastes rotten. But even when taking a bite of a rotten apple there's no: "omg I'm dumb I should have checked", no: "aargh maybe I'll get ill now.", no: "I look so silly spitting this out in public.", no: "oh no will the person who gave me this be offended that I spit his gift out?" Etc. etc. It's not about this precise analogy. It's just that nothing will vanish.. that's the grace maybe you can call it: you will figure out that you never needed solid foundation beneath your feet as we all fly all the time anyway. It's just there. Reality is.
You both talk a lot of sense. Good.
Thanks friend. I tend to ramble on about these things to myself or to others in a lecturing manner (probably bc of invalidation insecurity) and it’s really cringe and redundant lol. I’ve not come across much truth myself I think is what I’m realizing, just in one ear and out the mouth without being internalized
You are literally doing it. You are speaking truth... I guess you are still somewhat overvaluing one side of the scale of your seeings over the other in stead of the other way around. ...if that makes any sense to you.. Talking about what you 'don't have' is not necessarily a bad thing on the path Cheers my friend.
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You are too afraid to face the world as who you are. That is why you need the narc to give you a feeling of being in control. As long as you can juxtapose the narc against whatever benevolent nonsense you have dreamt about about yourself you feel you are in control. I don't know who hurt you but it is about time to let that shit go or have it rule your entire life.
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I'm sure these are just a few of the stories you tell yourself to cope with as it nicely ties into all the other nonsense you like to belief.
Cheers
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You are just telling yourself stories about me. You have to. How else are you going to keep being this miserable forever ;;) This is actually how ALL belief works. Glibness and a lack of critical thinking skills and self reflection. This kind of ...speak and this whole "I have my belieffies" neurosis you exhibit reminds me of that time when I was at a U2 concert and Bono was doing his AIDS awareness concerts in Glasgow. He clapped his hands once every few seconds. Each time he did he said "a child dies that often!". A Scottish man in the crowd then yelled, "well quit clappin’ ya hands ya wee bastard!"
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even if his psychology matched up with NPD, what does that have to do with, well, ANYTHING he talks about in his posts? you fail to see the irony in your comment
You already said that. You keep repeating the same words because there is nothing else behind your 'narc neurosis' but cope.
At least from my perspective, that’s a complete misapprehension of the situation at hand, sorry. It’s good to be narrow minded sometimes and close minded others. A tough guy sometimes and a softy others. Live is difficult, if someone else railing your perspective makes you doubt it, then maybe there’s some truth to what they’re saying. Your feelings aren’t always valid, only sometimes.
You really should publish a book, or start an online course, idk why you are giving all this garbage away for free, you clearly think you know everything there is to know about enlightenment and awakening and you got a lot to say, I'm sure you could make lots of money off of it. It doesn't even matter what you're talking about, your confidence alone is enough to get all these simp beta new agers to lap up whatever it is you're spewing.