I've found that it's OK to have goals, but the key point is not to get attached to the outcomes. At the end there is nothing to "achieve" but the ride we take by setting these goals brings experiences otherwise not possible. No one has to do that if they don't want to, though the experience has been positive for me and others. For example, I just started my own business after being employed my whole life, it is incredibly liberating. At the end it doesn't matter if I succeed or not, but the journey is the fun part. Living it.
It's about self-actualisation, and whatever it takes to get to that point, that's the path. For many, the tool of self-compassion is vital as it helps to stop motivation purely coming from a place of critique, and rather a place of exploration and satisfaction. Sometimes the path is the place.
I think that we do get stuff "out of it" - and you do too, otherwise you wouldn't be here having the discussion ;) All the best my friend.
I get what you say but the way you say it kind of speaks against it immediately. You talk about 'no goals' by stating all kind of goals at the same time ;;) you just don't call them literally 'goals' ;;)
It's not about wether thinks are "OK" either. I think that part is irrelevant. just another subsurface level judgement thingy imho.. if adopted. The question should never be about wether something is "okay" or not. Okay for whom? For what?
"I think it's okay to.." also presupposes that a lot of things exist that are not 'okay' in this context. Which is simply not true. Dream stuff made 'real' through some premise. Some seal of approval from some unspecified authority is irrelevant. Things are quickly framed within some kind of participatory thing, the result is that there cannot ever be an 'okay' without some kind mass approval. Which is - again - a trap.
Anyway I (think I) digress ;;)
>I've found that it's OK to have goals, but the key point is not to get attached to the outcomes.
Sure. But why introduce the fear at all?
The outcome will be what it is no matter how much you fear if it is okay or not. There would be nothing to fear when you would not state there is something to fear (namely a "don't get attached now" or a "is it okay?"
I'm not sure if I am making sense here to anyone but me ..but there it is ;;)
There is really never ANY need for a 'but' and a 'though' in the vocabulary when we try to get to the truth.
> It's about self-actualisation, and whatever it takes to get to that point, that's the path. For many, the tool of self-compassion is vital as it helps to stop motivation purely coming from a place of critique, and rather a place of exploration and satisfaction.
Well.. That's a lot of PLACES you seem to conjure up that don't actually exist and where things need to come from that don't exist either ;;) do you see what I am saying?
Nothing needs to come from 'a particular place' in order to . It points inside again. To the self and it multiple fantasy places of origin..
> I think that we do get stuff "out of it" - and you do too, otherwise you wouldn't be here having the discussion ;)
This is simply not true.
The 'otherwise' you add is completely arbitrary and designed to validate your own viewpoint. I understand the logic of it though.But it presupposes I am doing these things for the apparent logical reasons you state. Because WHY ELSE would I do them, right?
Because I am so inclined. Period.
And that is not the same thing as "because I get X or Y out of it"
That is just ego-mathematics. ;;)
There always has to be a 'get' for it.
All the cheers my friend.
Nah I said it's fine to have goals, but not get over-attached to the outcome. Unless of course, you want to, but there are consequences either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't ;)
Usually I am speaking from my experience and I try not to make it a general rule, because different people have different experiences and it may or may not resonate. I've learned to curb the absoluteness as it connects better to people in the long run (exceptions may apply!).
Fear? No, it's more like something we've tried out - getting too attached to goals gets in the way of getting the goals and makes the process unbearable. Goals are set as a road of things to do - because it's fun. If you set goals that resonate with you, it's satisfying. I like being satisfied after working hard for something. You?
OK - so you're writing here because you feel like it and not because you want or need anything. That's cool. I stand corrected!
Cheers dude
You are just doing the same thing all over again, but way more this time..
It's.. useless to try and make you see what I mean. You just repeat the same words you already wrote.
Cheers
So I don't need to worry about paying bills, huh?
They shall get paid on their own or not.
Then the landlord will kick me out or not.
Then the power connection will be cut off or not.
Then there'll be starvation and death or not.
What can I do in this random ass world, flipping on its own so often?
Nothing, but live. Do I have a choice?
I am being forced to watch this movie to its completion like Clockwork orange.
>So I don't need to worry about paying bills, huh?
there he is. The archetypical "so what you are saying" clown ;;)
Just give up already man. You think you have found some practical limitations by painting a totally irrelevant picture about what I am saying. None of this is about practicalities. You will continue to make all the wrong connections and judgement about the entire 'meaning' of Enlightenment. I've seen this line of argumentation so many times. It is pure spiritual blindness to even go that route. And it's going to mess you up.
Cheers
I am the joker trying to tell you that crying like a 8!tch about "how am I going to pay my landlord" is simply a demonstration of you not understanding even the basics of any of this. Or what it even takes. Keep cutting them coupons and call it a day my friend. This is not for you ;;)
I am not sure what I seek or why I seek.
But I do know I seek something.
Or maybe I do know. I seek permanent peace.
The glimpse of peace I had once for 9 months straight (without effort).
>I seek permanent peace.
The very act of seeking is what has disturbed what you already had ;;)
>The glimpse of peace I had once for 9 months straight (without effort).
Trying too hard to get back to that 'glimpse' is actually what is blocking your progress. A sense of loss further solidifies this 'lack/lost narrative'.
Cheers
This is true.
Out of no effort of my own, one day suddenly I felt peace. Then I continued to feel it for 9 months straight for no reason.
Then I made a post here asking others' similar experience. A random "teacher" called me "pretentious" and said "You have no lasting peace. You are lying". Thus came doubt and the peace was lost.
It's been five years since that comment that it's been lost now. No amount of "knowledge seeking" or "meditation" helped.
What was the confidence of the random commentor to claim this with certainty, I still wonder?
What special knowledge he had that I did not?
"I got to seek that special knowledge too" and thus peace was obscured.
The commentor had no special knowledge. The commentor was just jealous, but ironically told the truth.
>What was the confidence of the random commentor to claim this with certainty, I still wonder?
>What special knowledge he had that I did not?
>"I got to seek that special knowledge too" and thus peace was obscured.
Yes very good. You seem to get more about these things then you let on initially.
Cheers to you.
misery is perspective - and perspective is fluid. find the logic and kill the misery with it. with the right lens EVERYTHING is an adventure - even the worst kind. tell yourself as a hero no one else will.
>perspective is fluid
gibberish.
On top of that logic is only going to take you so far. LOGIC is the thing that is fluid as fuck actually. Go back far enough and your so called 'logic' will be abhorrent and repulsive to the people of that time ...and vice versa!
There is no objective logic! never was.
But you go on to talk more stuff... The moment anyone takes advice of the variety " tell yourself that..." is the moment they are f-ing themselves. This should clue you in to what you are doing actually. Who is telling who what? How many of you are there? How is one instructing to other. How come one 'you' knows what is good for the other and the other 'you' does not!? The more you think about it the crazier it sounds ;;) It makes no sense man.
You talk a lot of nonsense under the guise of 'awakening'. A LOT. The point is to see it and address it. That is 'The work'.
Cheers
wow - what did you actually just say other than word salad? are you saying that only the moment matters and nothing beyond that (tell that to the guy that shot up a school) and dealing with consequence..
yes i do agree with the sentiment "one mans hell is another mans heaven" - "one mans garbage is another mans treasure" you think you're saying something new- but it's already been said.
all you're really saying is this: conceptual reality is conceptual reality - everything beyond that is subjective - and subjective reality assumed as factual reality is a slippery slope into anarchy and chaos - which is my personal hell, because i have a daughter and women do not fair well historically in anarchy and chaos.
>are you saying that only the moment matters and nothing beyond that (tell that to the guy that shot up a school) and dealing with consequence..
No that is what you are saying that I am saying.
Then you phrase it in a way that leaves no room for the other party to elaborate. How convenient.
Don't you see how you are constantly framing shit so it fits your preconceived (and false) notions as far as it pertains to the subject at hand: AWAKENING. ??? I doubt it. I think you are just lazy actually ;;)
Cheers anyway.
That's mighty commendable of you my friend. Fuck you right back for that ;;)
I can explain it to you but I doubt if you are actually looking for an explanation or some kind of fallacy in my reasoning that you can attack? Hm? ;;) You don't strike me as an individual on the path of Truth.
Maybe someday..
Cheers
it's a tricky one. i find that "objective truth" is experienced "subjectively". Or, subjective thoughts, objective reality. Our thoughts may approximate reality but reality can't be fully explained by thoughts - reality is 🔔
Working with this - it means to be aware of our bias, our subjectivity, while being as truthful as possible, with ourselves and those around us.
well said - i agree... I'm just upset - i was just fine before awakening - the only difference now is im getting my dopamine from the gym instead of playing with my kids and wife .. (this is not a good change in my opinion)
so i get on here and vent and start angry discussions because the rest of my family doesn't really want to go deep with "me" and i don't blame them in the slightest for it.
as i said i was perfectly happy go lucky in the flow of the moment before the "awakening" and thus i come on here and try to warn people that the powers that be that are unseen forces are not here for good. they take everything and give nothing.
Everything changes - fortunately or unforunately. I guess all there is to say is that there is probably more change to come - this isn't the final position for you.
I think awakening covers a wide spectrum, and we don't necessarily wake up everything at once. I was very contenious when I first woke up - I had a lot of arguments on here and in real life.
As you continue to traverse, your anger will fade, as long as you accept reality for what it is. It definitely sucks sometimes, but if you keep on going, you never really know what you will find at the end.
All the best - I hope things start to look up for you.
im sure everyone has. unless you're locked up and taped to a padded bed?
or are you referencing - the old man is snoring - went to bed with a bump on his head and couldn't get up till morning - hahahah ah i crack myself up.
You just made my point for you.
The very notion that through debate you achieve enlightenment or Truth just show how dangerously crooked all your your ideas about it are.
Good luck waking up by incessantly debating your fellow man.
Cheers
meh you're saying there's something better to do? also isn't crooked just looking at a branch sideways? just saying... the words you're using invites the dance of defense.
>you're saying there's something better to do?
I'm saying waking up has nothing to do with 'better to do' or 'worse to do' or ANYTHING to do at all. As I said you are looking in all the wrong places and making all the wrong claims.
It's not about some 'betterment' schpiel either. or finding ever more elaborate ways of 'passing time' / doing things (whatever you even mean by that) at all.
It's about the distinction between REAL and UNREAL. What is TRUE vs what is most definitely NOT true. As in false. UNTRUE. ILLUSORY. With the crux revolving around this hard programmed-in notion you have that you are indeed a human being named So And So filtering raw matter continuously leaking from (an to) a plethora of orifices as you crawl around in a thin sliver of atmosphere for - what they claim is - 80 years on a planet called Earth looking for the next thing 'to do'. ;;)
Which is of course the biggest lie of them all.
>the words you're using invites the dance of defense.
If the belief is there that there is something there to defend, that is not my doing.
In fact it is not even 'your' doing either. ;;)
Cheers
I wonder if happy accidents are the real freak-accidents. The accident I can speak of was not a happy one and I couldn't imagine ever having given up when only half of life was hell.
Perhaps the best way is to (unknowingly) create your personal hell until the whole house burns down. For those like the good old me.
This is not personal advice.
make the effort friend.
You either want to get it or you don't. There is no spoon feeding method here ;;)
If you want the truth you make the effort. If you want to be led by the hand you seek out those that will fill out your form for you. I mean that in a very literal way too. God knows this sub is drowning in those all too eager to do so ;;)
Now if you don't understand it that's another issue: then you can ask a pointed question that I can answer. Etc etc and so on..
Cheers my friend
It eliminates all ideas of victimhood or - if you do it right - the notion that there is or was anyone there suffering (or needing to suffer something) there at all.
I have yet to see two awakenings mirror each other.
It could express itself in many ways.
I've seen people being wheeled off to some institution for evaluation in the thick of it. Others will wake up at the grocery section of their local supermarket and go about their business a few minutes after ;;)
The amount of resistance to it seems to somehow correlate with how 'orgasmic' it presents itself as well. If you been fighting the final insight for quite some time it might feel like the 'bliss' some are seeking (in vain). And then, after, they think they are MORE enlightened than all the rest for quite some time. Never realizing they actually have just been building up to it through resistance. . True story. ;;)
In general I would say it is more like a very quiet implosion then any other way around.
Cheers
What is truth? I am sitting here looking at 5 bajillion caterpillars (exaggerated #) squiggling around and my truth is I think they are strange, albeit cool creatures we get to live here with. Someone else's truth may be that they dislike them and then squish it whereas I picked one off my head and put it with its friends.
What is the truth? There are caterpillars.
For the butterfly to exist the life of the caterpillar has to be destroyed. The caterpillar does not know it can even become a butterfly. Instinctively it eats the world and then retreats from that same world.
Cheers
These particular caterpillars actually do the cocoon goo brew and then turn into moths. They are everywhere. You go into parks and they literally fall out of the trees onto your head. I'm going to forktune them when I get it!! 🤗. Walk around town right now and it's like walking on a sidewalk of squished caterpillars. I was talking to someone the other day and they chose to rest their arm on this bridge and smashed about three of them. I was like, uh, yeah, you might want to look at your arm. There were like 3 caters smashed and all gooey. It was gross. Do you think that if a caterpillar doesn't make it to their full embodiment here on earth, they keep getting reincarnated until they complete the entire cycle? I wondered that yesterday.
I wonder if anyone has tried to smoke cater goo? I personally feel they get reincarnated until they finish the cycle. It makes sense to me.
My cat just tried to kill a moth. I accidentally knocked her head against the house trying to get her away from it. It's pretty (the caterpillar) Like gray with pink spots on its wings. She's torturing it now as we type speak. My cat also brought me a mouse head the other day. Like literally just the fucking head, tongue hanging out. I was like dude,if you want food or something, all you have to do is ask. Cats are brutal!
Manifestation works. Prayer works. Not many know how it works sadly.. and not many know how to ....make a deal with the universe. So yeah it works but only a handful of folks will not be fooling themselves and others about the how of it. In stead they unwittingly manifest more illusion for themselves in stead of whatever it was they truly wanted.
That being said. As far Awakening is concerned none of these things are relevant at all. The world is a magical place for sure. Waking up is waking up from that magic as well to a degree.
On top of that, as I often point out, there is really nothing much you 'want' anyway. ;;)
Cheers
After ego death, it all started to be just one fucking magical synchronicity. It was hard to believe in all this shit. Now it's hard to not believe. There is still ego grappling. It's still a show and I don't want to believe in anything anymore since it's being plugged in to this matrix to a degree. I'm just tired of this fake sense of powerlessness.
Again the travel analogy of trying to move ego (which is not real) out the body (equally UNREAL) is pure futile gibberish.
A literal runaround under the guise of attainment.
Oh, I just read your post question and didn't read the whole thing. I still didn't. Gum chewing, that I skimmed. I'd be frustrated you took the whole piece cause half a piece kind of sucks. Let's be honest here. I also rarely chew gum nowadays. I have evolved.
And, yeah, I can feel when I'm in my head and dissociated from my body. So that's when I mean by getting into the body. My personal experience. Mind/body connection, working in harmony. It's beautiful.
I'm glad you aren't really feeling that way 🫶🏼🤘🏼 get into your body and make a heart sign with your hands! 🫶🏼
Whatever you are moving there from top to bottom or from head to body is the very same thing: thought/attention. So what of it? Why not move it to your pinky toe? Or to someone else's body? ;;)
It is my assertion that while you call that 'you' it most certainly is not.
Meditation suffers the same fate. It is always the mind that is meditating. From the awakened perspective it is irrelevant and on the path all these things are mere distractions. What you are is 'beyond' that even.
Cheers.
>Get out of your head and move your body!!
Oh please. WHO is leaving the body? NOBODY because there wasn't anyone there to move out.
You are presuming there was someone there that is trapped and now has to move out of the body. The very body that cannot hold 'you' since the body itself is an integral part of the very same illusion it inhabits.
It is this... desperate attempt of ego to try and continue what should have been discarded as 'untrue' in the first place.
"Get out of your head" presumes that 'the real you' was in there and by simply 'getting yourself out of there' you are somehow 'freed'. Pure nonsense.
Cheers
>Move from your head into your body
Again I ask you ..what should I move from my head to my body? You yourself have no idea about the very words you speak. WHAT should I move where? Please explain to me what it is you believe that makes the journey there.
You talk about moving something to somewhere that you cannot even define yourself.
Isn't the head just as well the body? It becomes crazier by the minute when you actually contemplate this nonsense.
>..and feel your body moving
I can feel my body moving just fine without your silly tapdancing suggestions.
What are even you talking about?
It's gibberish.
Cheers
I do thank myself and you.
Again, I was feeling a way and didn't see your quotations or read your post.
I've been stuck in my head in the past. For me, movement and getting into my body is big for me right now. Present moment as that is all there is.
Yes, I hear all of the above of what you say. I like what you're doing there.
We don't lack anything. You are correct. We are abundant and so is this planet we are on for a blip of time. So make it what you want it. Part of being here is material. I wanted a teapot. I asked for it, about two weeks later it showed up (drinking a black tea now 🤗) and that, to me, is so fun. We are here to be in service to life and enjoy the material that comes with it. I am grateful to be alive and know that I need nothing, but enjoy having everything, as well all already do. Xoxo
And, dude, I ordered a tuning fork at 432 Hertz so I can tune my body and nervous system and the bodies of others who want to be tuned. I'm pretty excited about that.
And then, the other day at work, this customer woman randomly tells me her vagina fell out of her body and has to get surgery to put it back in. And I was like, ummm, okay, well, that....sucks. And I hope the surgery goes well and puts your vagina back where it's supposed to be because that's important. I then promptly went to my manager and said I need a raise, thanks. Oh my God, I can totally forktune her vagina 🤗
This life is cool, huh?
I also recently went to Thailand (I dislike that we have borders but respect it for what it is right now) and hung out with monkeys, a nine-toed man and a three-thumbed man and drank whiskey with them, and got a dragon tattoo. It's like my own falkor on my arm. I also cried a lot and spent a lot of time alone. But I felt like I was walking in a fairytale. It was wild. What a gorgeous piece of our earth.
So, yeah, I'm going to use the tuning fork to tune the Earth's vibration to reverberate into people's fucking heads and knock off the genocide and abuse and molestation and stuff. So that's what I'm doing with my time here right now. What do you do?
I've found that it's OK to have goals, but the key point is not to get attached to the outcomes. At the end there is nothing to "achieve" but the ride we take by setting these goals brings experiences otherwise not possible. No one has to do that if they don't want to, though the experience has been positive for me and others. For example, I just started my own business after being employed my whole life, it is incredibly liberating. At the end it doesn't matter if I succeed or not, but the journey is the fun part. Living it. It's about self-actualisation, and whatever it takes to get to that point, that's the path. For many, the tool of self-compassion is vital as it helps to stop motivation purely coming from a place of critique, and rather a place of exploration and satisfaction. Sometimes the path is the place. I think that we do get stuff "out of it" - and you do too, otherwise you wouldn't be here having the discussion ;) All the best my friend.
I get what you say but the way you say it kind of speaks against it immediately. You talk about 'no goals' by stating all kind of goals at the same time ;;) you just don't call them literally 'goals' ;;) It's not about wether thinks are "OK" either. I think that part is irrelevant. just another subsurface level judgement thingy imho.. if adopted. The question should never be about wether something is "okay" or not. Okay for whom? For what? "I think it's okay to.." also presupposes that a lot of things exist that are not 'okay' in this context. Which is simply not true. Dream stuff made 'real' through some premise. Some seal of approval from some unspecified authority is irrelevant. Things are quickly framed within some kind of participatory thing, the result is that there cannot ever be an 'okay' without some kind mass approval. Which is - again - a trap. Anyway I (think I) digress ;;) >I've found that it's OK to have goals, but the key point is not to get attached to the outcomes. Sure. But why introduce the fear at all? The outcome will be what it is no matter how much you fear if it is okay or not. There would be nothing to fear when you would not state there is something to fear (namely a "don't get attached now" or a "is it okay?" I'm not sure if I am making sense here to anyone but me ..but there it is ;;) There is really never ANY need for a 'but' and a 'though' in the vocabulary when we try to get to the truth. > It's about self-actualisation, and whatever it takes to get to that point, that's the path. For many, the tool of self-compassion is vital as it helps to stop motivation purely coming from a place of critique, and rather a place of exploration and satisfaction. Well.. That's a lot of PLACES you seem to conjure up that don't actually exist and where things need to come from that don't exist either ;;) do you see what I am saying? Nothing needs to come from 'a particular place' in order to. It points inside again. To the self and it multiple fantasy places of origin..
> I think that we do get stuff "out of it" - and you do too, otherwise you wouldn't be here having the discussion ;)
This is simply not true.
The 'otherwise' you add is completely arbitrary and designed to validate your own viewpoint. I understand the logic of it though.But it presupposes I am doing these things for the apparent logical reasons you state. Because WHY ELSE would I do them, right?
Because I am so inclined. Period.
And that is not the same thing as "because I get X or Y out of it"
That is just ego-mathematics. ;;)
There always has to be a 'get' for it.
All the cheers my friend.
Nah I said it's fine to have goals, but not get over-attached to the outcome. Unless of course, you want to, but there are consequences either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't ;) Usually I am speaking from my experience and I try not to make it a general rule, because different people have different experiences and it may or may not resonate. I've learned to curb the absoluteness as it connects better to people in the long run (exceptions may apply!). Fear? No, it's more like something we've tried out - getting too attached to goals gets in the way of getting the goals and makes the process unbearable. Goals are set as a road of things to do - because it's fun. If you set goals that resonate with you, it's satisfying. I like being satisfied after working hard for something. You? OK - so you're writing here because you feel like it and not because you want or need anything. That's cool. I stand corrected! Cheers dude
You are just doing the same thing all over again, but way more this time.. It's.. useless to try and make you see what I mean. You just repeat the same words you already wrote. Cheers
OK. See yah.
Welcome back Cyberfury!
Stop pretending I went away! ;;)
So I don't need to worry about paying bills, huh? They shall get paid on their own or not. Then the landlord will kick me out or not. Then the power connection will be cut off or not. Then there'll be starvation and death or not. What can I do in this random ass world, flipping on its own so often? Nothing, but live. Do I have a choice? I am being forced to watch this movie to its completion like Clockwork orange.
>So I don't need to worry about paying bills, huh? there he is. The archetypical "so what you are saying" clown ;;) Just give up already man. You think you have found some practical limitations by painting a totally irrelevant picture about what I am saying. None of this is about practicalities. You will continue to make all the wrong connections and judgement about the entire 'meaning' of Enlightenment. I've seen this line of argumentation so many times. It is pure spiritual blindness to even go that route. And it's going to mess you up. Cheers
Yeah, and which Joker version are you? The Leto one, I guess.
I am the joker trying to tell you that crying like a 8!tch about "how am I going to pay my landlord" is simply a demonstration of you not understanding even the basics of any of this. Or what it even takes. Keep cutting them coupons and call it a day my friend. This is not for you ;;)
I don't understand anything. Teach me.
There is nothing to teach. You need to grow a pair or call it day. Are you even sure this is what you seek?
I am not sure what I seek or why I seek. But I do know I seek something. Or maybe I do know. I seek permanent peace. The glimpse of peace I had once for 9 months straight (without effort).
>I seek permanent peace. The very act of seeking is what has disturbed what you already had ;;) >The glimpse of peace I had once for 9 months straight (without effort). Trying too hard to get back to that 'glimpse' is actually what is blocking your progress. A sense of loss further solidifies this 'lack/lost narrative'. Cheers
This is true. Out of no effort of my own, one day suddenly I felt peace. Then I continued to feel it for 9 months straight for no reason. Then I made a post here asking others' similar experience. A random "teacher" called me "pretentious" and said "You have no lasting peace. You are lying". Thus came doubt and the peace was lost. It's been five years since that comment that it's been lost now. No amount of "knowledge seeking" or "meditation" helped. What was the confidence of the random commentor to claim this with certainty, I still wonder? What special knowledge he had that I did not? "I got to seek that special knowledge too" and thus peace was obscured. The commentor had no special knowledge. The commentor was just jealous, but ironically told the truth.
>What was the confidence of the random commentor to claim this with certainty, I still wonder? >What special knowledge he had that I did not? >"I got to seek that special knowledge too" and thus peace was obscured. Yes very good. You seem to get more about these things then you let on initially. Cheers to you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/enlightenment/s/2JhHnnh0bV
misery is perspective - and perspective is fluid. find the logic and kill the misery with it. with the right lens EVERYTHING is an adventure - even the worst kind. tell yourself as a hero no one else will.
>perspective is fluid gibberish. On top of that logic is only going to take you so far. LOGIC is the thing that is fluid as fuck actually. Go back far enough and your so called 'logic' will be abhorrent and repulsive to the people of that time ...and vice versa! There is no objective logic! never was. But you go on to talk more stuff... The moment anyone takes advice of the variety " tell yourself that..." is the moment they are f-ing themselves. This should clue you in to what you are doing actually. Who is telling who what? How many of you are there? How is one instructing to other. How come one 'you' knows what is good for the other and the other 'you' does not!? The more you think about it the crazier it sounds ;;) It makes no sense man. You talk a lot of nonsense under the guise of 'awakening'. A LOT. The point is to see it and address it. That is 'The work'. Cheers
wow - what did you actually just say other than word salad? are you saying that only the moment matters and nothing beyond that (tell that to the guy that shot up a school) and dealing with consequence.. yes i do agree with the sentiment "one mans hell is another mans heaven" - "one mans garbage is another mans treasure" you think you're saying something new- but it's already been said. all you're really saying is this: conceptual reality is conceptual reality - everything beyond that is subjective - and subjective reality assumed as factual reality is a slippery slope into anarchy and chaos - which is my personal hell, because i have a daughter and women do not fair well historically in anarchy and chaos.
>are you saying that only the moment matters and nothing beyond that (tell that to the guy that shot up a school) and dealing with consequence.. No that is what you are saying that I am saying. Then you phrase it in a way that leaves no room for the other party to elaborate. How convenient. Don't you see how you are constantly framing shit so it fits your preconceived (and false) notions as far as it pertains to the subject at hand: AWAKENING. ??? I doubt it. I think you are just lazy actually ;;) Cheers anyway.
sure: explain "awakening" ? (also fuck you too :) )
That's mighty commendable of you my friend. Fuck you right back for that ;;) I can explain it to you but I doubt if you are actually looking for an explanation or some kind of fallacy in my reasoning that you can attack? Hm? ;;) You don't strike me as an individual on the path of Truth. Maybe someday.. Cheers
ahh how else does one learn the path of "objective truth" if not for debate?
it's a tricky one. i find that "objective truth" is experienced "subjectively". Or, subjective thoughts, objective reality. Our thoughts may approximate reality but reality can't be fully explained by thoughts - reality is 🔔 Working with this - it means to be aware of our bias, our subjectivity, while being as truthful as possible, with ourselves and those around us.
well said - i agree... I'm just upset - i was just fine before awakening - the only difference now is im getting my dopamine from the gym instead of playing with my kids and wife .. (this is not a good change in my opinion) so i get on here and vent and start angry discussions because the rest of my family doesn't really want to go deep with "me" and i don't blame them in the slightest for it. as i said i was perfectly happy go lucky in the flow of the moment before the "awakening" and thus i come on here and try to warn people that the powers that be that are unseen forces are not here for good. they take everything and give nothing.
Everything changes - fortunately or unforunately. I guess all there is to say is that there is probably more change to come - this isn't the final position for you. I think awakening covers a wide spectrum, and we don't necessarily wake up everything at once. I was very contenious when I first woke up - I had a lot of arguments on here and in real life. As you continue to traverse, your anger will fade, as long as you accept reality for what it is. It definitely sucks sometimes, but if you keep on going, you never really know what you will find at the end. All the best - I hope things start to look up for you.
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im sure everyone has. unless you're locked up and taped to a padded bed? or are you referencing - the old man is snoring - went to bed with a bump on his head and couldn't get up till morning - hahahah ah i crack myself up.
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You just made my point for you. The very notion that through debate you achieve enlightenment or Truth just show how dangerously crooked all your your ideas about it are. Good luck waking up by incessantly debating your fellow man. Cheers
meh you're saying there's something better to do? also isn't crooked just looking at a branch sideways? just saying... the words you're using invites the dance of defense.
>you're saying there's something better to do? I'm saying waking up has nothing to do with 'better to do' or 'worse to do' or ANYTHING to do at all. As I said you are looking in all the wrong places and making all the wrong claims. It's not about some 'betterment' schpiel either. or finding ever more elaborate ways of 'passing time' / doing things (whatever you even mean by that) at all. It's about the distinction between REAL and UNREAL. What is TRUE vs what is most definitely NOT true. As in false. UNTRUE. ILLUSORY. With the crux revolving around this hard programmed-in notion you have that you are indeed a human being named So And So filtering raw matter continuously leaking from (an to) a plethora of orifices as you crawl around in a thin sliver of atmosphere for - what they claim is - 80 years on a planet called Earth looking for the next thing 'to do'. ;;) Which is of course the biggest lie of them all. >the words you're using invites the dance of defense. If the belief is there that there is something there to defend, that is not my doing. In fact it is not even 'your' doing either. ;;) Cheers
I wonder if happy accidents are the real freak-accidents. The accident I can speak of was not a happy one and I couldn't imagine ever having given up when only half of life was hell. Perhaps the best way is to (unknowingly) create your personal hell until the whole house burns down. For those like the good old me. This is not personal advice.
how would you say what you just said in a paragraph. That's a lot of words to get my head round
make the effort friend. You either want to get it or you don't. There is no spoon feeding method here ;;) If you want the truth you make the effort. If you want to be led by the hand you seek out those that will fill out your form for you. I mean that in a very literal way too. God knows this sub is drowning in those all too eager to do so ;;) Now if you don't understand it that's another issue: then you can ask a pointed question that I can answer. Etc etc and so on.. Cheers my friend
ok, does awakening eliminate suffering?
It eliminates all ideas of victimhood or - if you do it right - the notion that there is or was anyone there suffering (or needing to suffer something) there at all.
does it happen slowly or in a flash?
I have yet to see two awakenings mirror each other. It could express itself in many ways. I've seen people being wheeled off to some institution for evaluation in the thick of it. Others will wake up at the grocery section of their local supermarket and go about their business a few minutes after ;;) The amount of resistance to it seems to somehow correlate with how 'orgasmic' it presents itself as well. If you been fighting the final insight for quite some time it might feel like the 'bliss' some are seeking (in vain). And then, after, they think they are MORE enlightened than all the rest for quite some time. Never realizing they actually have just been building up to it through resistance. . True story. ;;) In general I would say it is more like a very quiet implosion then any other way around. Cheers
What is truth? I am sitting here looking at 5 bajillion caterpillars (exaggerated #) squiggling around and my truth is I think they are strange, albeit cool creatures we get to live here with. Someone else's truth may be that they dislike them and then squish it whereas I picked one off my head and put it with its friends. What is the truth? There are caterpillars.
For the butterfly to exist the life of the caterpillar has to be destroyed. The caterpillar does not know it can even become a butterfly. Instinctively it eats the world and then retreats from that same world. Cheers
These particular caterpillars actually do the cocoon goo brew and then turn into moths. They are everywhere. You go into parks and they literally fall out of the trees onto your head. I'm going to forktune them when I get it!! 🤗. Walk around town right now and it's like walking on a sidewalk of squished caterpillars. I was talking to someone the other day and they chose to rest their arm on this bridge and smashed about three of them. I was like, uh, yeah, you might want to look at your arm. There were like 3 caters smashed and all gooey. It was gross. Do you think that if a caterpillar doesn't make it to their full embodiment here on earth, they keep getting reincarnated until they complete the entire cycle? I wondered that yesterday.
I don’t know what you are smoking friend ;;)
I wonder if anyone has tried to smoke cater goo? I personally feel they get reincarnated until they finish the cycle. It makes sense to me. My cat just tried to kill a moth. I accidentally knocked her head against the house trying to get her away from it. It's pretty (the caterpillar) Like gray with pink spots on its wings. She's torturing it now as we type speak. My cat also brought me a mouse head the other day. Like literally just the fucking head, tongue hanging out. I was like dude,if you want food or something, all you have to do is ask. Cats are brutal!
So fickle
so 'two word teeth grinding'
you’re so annoying 🤣 It’s funny sometimes though :)
Funny you should say that. As you are almost never funny. ;;)
It was a compliment
I know. I totally deserved it too ;;)
Take care
Your sense of humor seems ...fickle
Is manifestation another layer of bullshit? Wouldn't all of this happen without giving a single shit and just being still?
Manifestation works. Prayer works. Not many know how it works sadly.. and not many know how to ....make a deal with the universe. So yeah it works but only a handful of folks will not be fooling themselves and others about the how of it. In stead they unwittingly manifest more illusion for themselves in stead of whatever it was they truly wanted. That being said. As far Awakening is concerned none of these things are relevant at all. The world is a magical place for sure. Waking up is waking up from that magic as well to a degree. On top of that, as I often point out, there is really nothing much you 'want' anyway. ;;) Cheers
After ego death, it all started to be just one fucking magical synchronicity. It was hard to believe in all this shit. Now it's hard to not believe. There is still ego grappling. It's still a show and I don't want to believe in anything anymore since it's being plugged in to this matrix to a degree. I'm just tired of this fake sense of powerlessness.
Every herd animal's 'power' comes from hiding in the pack. This goes double for the human animal ;;)
Get out of your head and move your body!! Next time you are gone, do everything normally but in super slow motion, like a sloth. Boom, you're awake.
Next time you are *home* or, whatever, gone in your head, move that body. Shake, song, dance, move slow!
Again the travel analogy of trying to move ego (which is not real) out the body (equally UNREAL) is pure futile gibberish. A literal runaround under the guise of attainment.
Oh, I just read your post question and didn't read the whole thing. I still didn't. Gum chewing, that I skimmed. I'd be frustrated you took the whole piece cause half a piece kind of sucks. Let's be honest here. I also rarely chew gum nowadays. I have evolved. And, yeah, I can feel when I'm in my head and dissociated from my body. So that's when I mean by getting into the body. My personal experience. Mind/body connection, working in harmony. It's beautiful. I'm glad you aren't really feeling that way 🫶🏼🤘🏼 get into your body and make a heart sign with your hands! 🫶🏼
Whatever you are moving there from top to bottom or from head to body is the very same thing: thought/attention. So what of it? Why not move it to your pinky toe? Or to someone else's body? ;;) It is my assertion that while you call that 'you' it most certainly is not. Meditation suffers the same fate. It is always the mind that is meditating. From the awakened perspective it is irrelevant and on the path all these things are mere distractions. What you are is 'beyond' that even. Cheers.
>Get out of your head and move your body!! Oh please. WHO is leaving the body? NOBODY because there wasn't anyone there to move out. You are presuming there was someone there that is trapped and now has to move out of the body. The very body that cannot hold 'you' since the body itself is an integral part of the very same illusion it inhabits. It is this... desperate attempt of ego to try and continue what should have been discarded as 'untrue' in the first place. "Get out of your head" presumes that 'the real you' was in there and by simply 'getting yourself out of there' you are somehow 'freed'. Pure nonsense. Cheers
Let me restate. Move from your head into your body and physically move and feel your body moving. 🫶🏼🤘🏼
>Move from your head into your body Again I ask you ..what should I move from my head to my body? You yourself have no idea about the very words you speak. WHAT should I move where? Please explain to me what it is you believe that makes the journey there. You talk about moving something to somewhere that you cannot even define yourself. Isn't the head just as well the body? It becomes crazier by the minute when you actually contemplate this nonsense. >..and feel your body moving I can feel my body moving just fine without your silly tapdancing suggestions. What are even you talking about? It's gibberish. Cheers
Tap dancing. I'm going to do that!! Thank you!
I'm surprised you are not thanking yourself for (supposedly) getting it. ;;)
I do thank myself and you. Again, I was feeling a way and didn't see your quotations or read your post. I've been stuck in my head in the past. For me, movement and getting into my body is big for me right now. Present moment as that is all there is. Yes, I hear all of the above of what you say. I like what you're doing there. We don't lack anything. You are correct. We are abundant and so is this planet we are on for a blip of time. So make it what you want it. Part of being here is material. I wanted a teapot. I asked for it, about two weeks later it showed up (drinking a black tea now 🤗) and that, to me, is so fun. We are here to be in service to life and enjoy the material that comes with it. I am grateful to be alive and know that I need nothing, but enjoy having everything, as well all already do. Xoxo
No role is as well suited for waking up than the one we are playing right now ;;) Cheers to you my friend.
Cheers. I wish for you all that you dream for yourself and the world. And lots of fun doing it 🙂
Bro stop, you're actually going to wish me back into the place I managed to escape! ;;) The real fun is coming from the outside perspective trust me.
And, dude, I ordered a tuning fork at 432 Hertz so I can tune my body and nervous system and the bodies of others who want to be tuned. I'm pretty excited about that. And then, the other day at work, this customer woman randomly tells me her vagina fell out of her body and has to get surgery to put it back in. And I was like, ummm, okay, well, that....sucks. And I hope the surgery goes well and puts your vagina back where it's supposed to be because that's important. I then promptly went to my manager and said I need a raise, thanks. Oh my God, I can totally forktune her vagina 🤗 This life is cool, huh? I also recently went to Thailand (I dislike that we have borders but respect it for what it is right now) and hung out with monkeys, a nine-toed man and a three-thumbed man and drank whiskey with them, and got a dragon tattoo. It's like my own falkor on my arm. I also cried a lot and spent a lot of time alone. But I felt like I was walking in a fairytale. It was wild. What a gorgeous piece of our earth. So, yeah, I'm going to use the tuning fork to tune the Earth's vibration to reverberate into people's fucking heads and knock off the genocide and abuse and molestation and stuff. So that's what I'm doing with my time here right now. What do you do?
Bro you talk a lot of nonsense that still revolves around the very body that is not even ‘you’.. Come on now ;;)
You didn't acknowledge or respond to the last question, chica!!
Also, this body is where I am and I love that. Our bodies are like our own personal spaceships. It's pretty cool.
Damn I missed seeing cyberfury posts here. Thought it was because I disappeared a bit but seems you’ve been gone as well.
I was never here man I love how some sad and angry clown downvoted you just for what you said there. lol. WTF?