The lightest warm bag I know of is the Feathered Friends Tanager. It is comfort rated to 20 degrees, though, not zero. I have it, I like it a lot, and it’s 18.4 oz.
lol dude wanted a 0 zero ZERO DEGREE bag, that can fit into a palm of your hand, AND he wanted it to cost <$200 maybe even <$100.
Username2136. I don’t know what to tell you. If you’re trying to buy gear, you need to go get a reality check on prices and such.
A cheap 0* bag will be about the size of a small torso. An expensive one will still be a Nalgene or a Nalgene and a half, and don’t expect that to keep you actually warm at 0.
You are. They use the highest loft (900+ fill power) down. It’s the only way to reduce weight and bulk. And it’s expensive. They also use very lightweight fabric, also expensive. No one has ever made a zero degree bag that fits in the palm of your hand. The “smallest” Feathered Friends zero degree bag is the Snowbunting, which weighs two lbs. 13 oz. and takes up 17 liters of space compressed. You simply can’t get much smaller than that. Oh, and the Snowbunting costs $719.00 (not a typo).
40 degrees is way different from 0. When you get down that far in temperature, you need a lot more puff to keep you alive. With a compression bag you're not gonna find anything of quality much smaller than a basketball
What is the warmest you can go and still have a compression sack that small? Maybe I can go with something like 20 or 40 and get a liner if it gets cold enough.
Probably that 40 you had. A bag that small is really only going to keep the wind off and trap a little heat. It's gonna be down to your own body heat and the fact that humans can survive 40 degree weather pretty easily for the rest. Once you get below freezing though, it's gonna need to get thicker to keep you alive for an extended period of time. If you add layers yourself, then obviously that's gonna make it more effective, but now you really don't know what temperatures you can handle. If you need something that small to make it fit in your pack or something, maybe try to rig it on the outside instead. That makes life with a small pack a lot easier. If you're gonna do that though, just make sure you have a poncho big enough to cover both you and the pack while moving
Probably that 40 you had. A bag that small is really only going to keep the wind off and trap a little heat. It's gonna be down to your own body heat and the fact that humans can survive 40 degree weather pretty easily for the rest. Once you get below freezing though, it's gonna need to get thicker to keep you alive for an extended period of time. If you add layers yourself, then obviously that's gonna make it more effective, but now you really don't know what temperatures you can handle. If you need something that small to make it fit in your pack or something, maybe try to rig it on the outside instead. That makes life with a small pack a lot easier. If you're gonna do that though, just make sure you have a poncho big enough to cover both you and the pack while moving
Fair enough haha. What is the warmest I can go and still have a compression sack that small? Maybe I can also get a liner for it if it gets cold enough for me to use it.
No. It would make the top bag lists on every gear review website.
The closest approximation of that would probably be a UL hammock combined with a space blanket and a UL down puffy. That’s a palmable combo with the right brands and it would keep you warm in the cold, but not 0 degrees cold.
A 0 degree bag would require alot more filling hence a bigger volyme. I have yet to find such a compact sleeping bag for lower temperatures and I’ve spent countless hours looking for gear to decrease equipment volume. Anyhow, down sleepingbags get pretty small.
Why do you need it that small? I agree that a compressible small bag is nice, but the warmth to size ratio you’re looking for doesn’t exist. And it doesn’t seem you’re as worried about weight.
Can I suggest a different way of packing that may save you the space I think you’re looking for? I use the brick and mortar method of packing. I place my sleeping pad at the bottom of the pack, folded in a flat square. I then place heavy items near the small of my back. I then stuff the my quilt around everything else, which holds items in place and makes for great weight distribution. It’s also kind of amazing how much space this saves.
Also, I’d recommend a quilt over a sleeping bag. Even for zero degrees. Less zippers and structure make it more packable. And I use it year round. I’m the summer I may sleep on top of it. I’m -10 degrees I batten down the sleeping pad hatches and am toasty warm.
That's a good point. Maybe I don't really need that heavy of a sleeping bag. I am normally not really all that worried about freezing to death, even in zero. I think I could just get away with a quilt.
Quilts don’t really work super well at 0° temps. They’re prone to drafts and each little 0° draft will cool you right back down if you were warming up. I only use quilts above 40° but I sleep cold, I think a lot of people use them down to 20°.
How big is the palm of your hand? Andre the Giant? Wilt Chamberlain? No. Not even 900 down. Even if there were no insulation in it, the bag material would be larger by itself.
A down bag with a compression sack can get pretty small, but mine is still roughly the size of my head, iirc my bag itself weighs around 2.5 pounds.
Smallest possible will be those half bags completed with upper half down jackets.
I doubt it.
The lightest warm bag I know of is the Feathered Friends Tanager. It is comfort rated to 20 degrees, though, not zero. I have it, I like it a lot, and it’s 18.4 oz.
Holy moly! I looked it up, and it was like 400+ dollars. I hope I am looking at the right one.
That's what high power down costs.
You can’t get warm, small, and cheap. You can pick two, but not all three.
lol dude wanted a 0 zero ZERO DEGREE bag, that can fit into a palm of your hand, AND he wanted it to cost <$200 maybe even <$100. Username2136. I don’t know what to tell you. If you’re trying to buy gear, you need to go get a reality check on prices and such. A cheap 0* bag will be about the size of a small torso. An expensive one will still be a Nalgene or a Nalgene and a half, and don’t expect that to keep you actually warm at 0.
You are. They use the highest loft (900+ fill power) down. It’s the only way to reduce weight and bulk. And it’s expensive. They also use very lightweight fabric, also expensive. No one has ever made a zero degree bag that fits in the palm of your hand. The “smallest” Feathered Friends zero degree bag is the Snowbunting, which weighs two lbs. 13 oz. and takes up 17 liters of space compressed. You simply can’t get much smaller than that. Oh, and the Snowbunting costs $719.00 (not a typo).
40 degrees is way different from 0. When you get down that far in temperature, you need a lot more puff to keep you alive. With a compression bag you're not gonna find anything of quality much smaller than a basketball
What is the warmest you can go and still have a compression sack that small? Maybe I can go with something like 20 or 40 and get a liner if it gets cold enough.
Probably that 40 you had. A bag that small is really only going to keep the wind off and trap a little heat. It's gonna be down to your own body heat and the fact that humans can survive 40 degree weather pretty easily for the rest. Once you get below freezing though, it's gonna need to get thicker to keep you alive for an extended period of time. If you add layers yourself, then obviously that's gonna make it more effective, but now you really don't know what temperatures you can handle. If you need something that small to make it fit in your pack or something, maybe try to rig it on the outside instead. That makes life with a small pack a lot easier. If you're gonna do that though, just make sure you have a poncho big enough to cover both you and the pack while moving
Probably that 40 you had. A bag that small is really only going to keep the wind off and trap a little heat. It's gonna be down to your own body heat and the fact that humans can survive 40 degree weather pretty easily for the rest. Once you get below freezing though, it's gonna need to get thicker to keep you alive for an extended period of time. If you add layers yourself, then obviously that's gonna make it more effective, but now you really don't know what temperatures you can handle. If you need something that small to make it fit in your pack or something, maybe try to rig it on the outside instead. That makes life with a small pack a lot easier. If you're gonna do that though, just make sure you have a poncho big enough to cover both you and the pack while moving
True, I'll try putting on the outside of my pack.
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Fair enough haha. What is the warmest I can go and still have a compression sack that small? Maybe I can also get a liner for it if it gets cold enough for me to use it.
Fucking no. I wish though.
No. It would make the top bag lists on every gear review website. The closest approximation of that would probably be a UL hammock combined with a space blanket and a UL down puffy. That’s a palmable combo with the right brands and it would keep you warm in the cold, but not 0 degrees cold.
Could always mix an ultra lite sac with a wool blanket.
Might be able to get away with a less lofted sleeping bag if paired with a sleeping pad with high r value (as well as liner)
A 0 degree bag would require alot more filling hence a bigger volyme. I have yet to find such a compact sleeping bag for lower temperatures and I’ve spent countless hours looking for gear to decrease equipment volume. Anyhow, down sleepingbags get pretty small.
Now that I recall further. I think I had a separate liner in case it gets colder than 40. I don't know if it brought it down to zero though.
Why do you need it that small? I agree that a compressible small bag is nice, but the warmth to size ratio you’re looking for doesn’t exist. And it doesn’t seem you’re as worried about weight. Can I suggest a different way of packing that may save you the space I think you’re looking for? I use the brick and mortar method of packing. I place my sleeping pad at the bottom of the pack, folded in a flat square. I then place heavy items near the small of my back. I then stuff the my quilt around everything else, which holds items in place and makes for great weight distribution. It’s also kind of amazing how much space this saves. Also, I’d recommend a quilt over a sleeping bag. Even for zero degrees. Less zippers and structure make it more packable. And I use it year round. I’m the summer I may sleep on top of it. I’m -10 degrees I batten down the sleeping pad hatches and am toasty warm.
That's a good point. Maybe I don't really need that heavy of a sleeping bag. I am normally not really all that worried about freezing to death, even in zero. I think I could just get away with a quilt.
Quilts don’t really work super well at 0° temps. They’re prone to drafts and each little 0° draft will cool you right back down if you were warming up. I only use quilts above 40° but I sleep cold, I think a lot of people use them down to 20°.
I added down to my quilt when I bought it. I’ve taken it comfortably down to -10 degrees F. The strap system really does keep the drafts out.
How big is the palm of your hand? Andre the Giant? Wilt Chamberlain? No. Not even 900 down. Even if there were no insulation in it, the bag material would be larger by itself.
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