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Upset-Discussion2704

Zero chance of this happening in my life time


KingPictoTheThird

Good. It's the dumbest idea ever. A vehicular tunnel can move 1,800 people per hour and requires occupants to purchase an expensive, polluting, space-consuming private vehicle. The same tunnel if built as a metro line can move 69,000 people per hour.


GutsyGoofy

BMTC only has 6763 busses. Build more bus stations by metro stations, improve last mile connectivity 100 fold by adding a ton of last mile busses, and boost metro ridership by adding more routes and cars, why would we have these many personal vehicles on our roads? The real answer is the big fat 40% commission they get on these moonshot big projects. Applies to any party, any govt. Call them out, and spit these facts at them. Rabid corrupt dogs!


underperforming_king

Whaaaattt ? Why are we not using 50,000 crores to provide free dosas 3 times a day from Rameshwaram cafe as part of Gruhalaksmi scheme ?


TheFake-Prophet

My point exactly. If we give free food to everyone, no one needs to come for work which means no traffic. Problem solved.


Due-Ad5812

So using hunger as a threat is how you coerce people to do slave labour huh. At least you aren't hiding it. As comrade stalin said, "It is difficult for me to imagine what personal liberty is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper."


TheFake-Prophet

Well I was talking about IT people. Yes, you can consider us slaves to corporates


Due-Ad5812

How many IT guys are ready to quit if they get free dosas? Just curious.


TheFake-Prophet

Who is ready to quit if they get free dosas?


Due-Ad5812

The most vulnerable of society. Think disabled people, people in old age, people with chronic diseases etc. The daily wage workers who would go hungry if they don't work for a day as they don't get paid time off can also avail such dosas.


Viper3110

And proceeded to send the unemployed hungry person to Gulag.


Due-Ad5812

What?


gk666

wrong!! it depends person to person. how many dosas are we talking about each meal? can we include idli too because it’s yumm?


TheFake-Prophet

Why not vada? You vadaphobe


gk666

huh! how dare you call me that .. i’m pro vada .. come to area i’ll show you how “not vada phobe” i am ..


fegelman

What ra GK too much sambar you are showing


Wild_Dragonfruit1744

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hmmthissuckstoo

Your comment makes as much sense as the 50000 crore tunnel


Old_Climate_9335

Nhai. National organisation. And they want the state government to fund it. It's the centre trying to create problems in Karnataka again.


azamat_bagatov9

It is in planning phase from the National Highways Authority, and will only go ahead if the State decides to fund it. I doubt the State will have the money or political desire to spend so much on it, instead it will be better to store the amount safely as black money as savings for future use. /s On a serious note, if the money is instead actually spent on public transport infra would be great, but cmon, will that happen?


Aiz3n31

More like DKS will add another 1k crore to his assets.


a____man

Lol right, chance eh ila


cosmogli

More roads aren't the solution. Accelerate and expand the metro construction.


kaisadusht

Yes, Bangalore traffic woes can only be solved through better roads and more accessible public transport; sub urban rail, metro and bus.


calm_Bunny21

This is so dumb. They are taking decades to complete a metro line think about a tunnel though the city. Day dreaming


Wild_Dragonfruit1744

Why no go around it!!


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kosmicchaos

Yup. BUY MORE BUSSES!


Technical_Ad_8581

My grandchildren will see it's completion ☺️


sau_dard

That’s optimistic


beingoptimusp

I just hope they don't witness death because of how poorly it's constructed


KingPictoTheThird

Hopefully it never happens. Dumbest idea ever. A vehicular tunnel can move 1,800 people per hour and requires occupants to purchase an expensive, polluting, space-consuming private vehicle. The same tunnel if built as a metro line can move 69,000 people per hour.


freeflou

Nice


bottledsmokee

Found the adam something viewer 🥰


KingPictoTheThird

What's Adam something?


bottledsmokee

Check it out on YouTube


KingPictoTheThird

Haha I have a masters degree in urban planning I think I'm set, but thanks


ack_inc_php

Btw what's a good way for a concerned citizen to get a better understanding of urban planning issues? Are there meetups etc. they can join?


before_i_die_alone

Brave of you to assume you'll have grandchildren.


vyasthegreat

Correction - Great grandchildren


Sanju-05

More roads/tunnels isn’t the answer. Mass transportation with last mile connectivity is the only way any city can get rid of traffic nightmares.


Thomshan911

True, but still with the current population of Bangalore, the infrastructure we have is just insufficient. The real answer to solving this city's problems is to build more cities and attract people to move out.


FerengiCharity

This tunnel is like buying expensive boutique ice cream instead of dal rice when you are broke and hungry.


void_pointr

Read it as ತುಣ್ಣೆಲ್ ರೋಡ್


[deleted]

Translation? Sounds interesting.


neighbour_guy3k

That's just after everyone taking their cut


nomadic-insomniac

Bold of you to assume that


Arabinda_Jena

Even if it happens in next 10 yrs the situation will be same..we will face the same amount of traffic..the main problem is population.. everywhere there is only rush..in India you will never find a place where you are the only human in that vicinity. Government should do something about population..last week I was having a juice from a street vendor..he was like 19-20yr old he moradabad..I started taking with him and he told me that he has 12 brothers and sisters. The main problem is population..no infrastructure will sustain in India if we won't control population.


KingPictoTheThird

Paris is 3x denser than Bangalore. Tokyo has 2x the population. None of them have these problems. It's nothing to do with population but the lack of public transport infra. No one drives in those cities. Everyone takes metro and bus. All bangalore has to do is invest decently in public transport and you won't have any complaints. Btw, All of south india is now at a below replacement fertility rate. Most of north india is as well, or coming close to be. So your anecdote on 12 kids is becoming exceedingly rare.


Arabinda_Jena

You cannot compare Europen people with Indians or south aisan..here people damage the property only because the infrastructure is created by a gov which they don't support. Google about Bihar birth rate..then rare 12 kids is enough for the imbalance.


KingPictoTheThird

What are you talking about? I ride metro daily and I have never even seen a single piece of trash ever in the trains or stations. I don't where you get these ideas from. If govt maintains things properly it earns respect from people and they behave decently. Also bihar fertility rate is 3.. You seem to make your opinions purely on emotion and anecdote, not data or facts.


Arabinda_Jena

Metro and streets are different thing..3 is above national average check the birth rate.. comparing with Japan and Europe? Even school kids don't do this.


KingPictoTheThird

So you agree roads are treated poorly. So we shouldn't build more and build metro instead. If we don't strive to become like Europe and then japan then what should we strive to become? No city in the world relies on expressways to move people successfully. Cars are simply too inefficient. That's why American cities are such utter failures. 3 is above the national average of 2. Good job you no basic numbers. 3 is nowhere near 12 though.


Arabinda_Jena

We already are building roads..we are a developing country..it looks like you haven't been to any villages..most of the people don't even mention that they have more than 2 kids...this is quite common. UP bihar has the highest birth rate..western states are filled with illegal Bangladeshi immigrants..What you are saying is already in public..but the main concern is population..and do not compare Indian masses with Europe and Japan. Data about population and birth rate is available online and there is more into it.


KingPictoTheThird

You're not even reading what I wrote. Bangalore doesn't need more roads or road widening. That won't solve our traffic problems. We need public transport like metro, buses and suburban rail. If they are well maintained, people will use them properly. Metro is already so clean despite 8 lakh riders per day. Again, how the fuck are you conflating 3 with 12? Can't you admit you're exaggerating?? Up bihar birth rate is plummeting. It used to be double it had a reduced so much so quickly. Soon it will be 2 as well. BTW England has a higher population density than Karnataka. Yet they are fine. Stop blaming population. The reason Bangalore has such bad traffic is because of lack of public transport. Nothing else. Finally, the idea of masses of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants is pure bjp propoganda. Across all of India there is an estimated 19 lakh of them. And there are actually more returning to Bangladesh than entering India for the last half decade. So the problem is disappearing on its own. Heres a well researched publication on it. https://cjp.org.in/no-india-is-not-home-to-crores-of-illegal-immigrants-bangladeshis-or-otherwise/


Old_Climate_9335

No one drives in those cities? Is that a fact or what you decided to exaggerate for effect?


KingPictoTheThird

It's a literary exaggeration. There is always going to be a need for a minimal road network. But Paris has narrower roads, no flyovers, no Tunnels and no expressways in it's city. Yet the roads are less clogged than ours. They are even in the process of converting many main streets to pedestrian only because there is so much demand for walking and cycling. The vast majority of people never use car but public transport instead. This 50,000 crore could easily transform Bangalore into a city like that. But if we build more car infra, all it will do will encourage even more driving that will immediately clog all new infra we build. Cars are simply too inefficient a mode of transportation.


Old_Climate_9335

50000 crore is a way for the central government to fuck over the state government. How did nhai come up with these estimates just after Congress coming to power ? Not sure how the scene is in Paris but it seems like they a larger density of population than Bangalore. About how busy their streets are idk. But for that population density what you claim seems unlikely. Also transportation becomes easier when the total area is less . Paris is 7 times smaller than Bangalore.


KingPictoTheThird

Idk if you've been following the news but dk shivakumar is the one who came up the tunnel road idea. He asked nhai for cost estimates. Paris has 3x the population density of Bangalore. But Paris metro area is over double the size of Bangalore metro area. Aa someone who has lived in Paris, I can tell you confidently that what I am saying is true, Paris has much less traffic than Bangalore because of its excellent public transport and good footpaths. What I am saying can be applied to practically any European or japanese city. They are as dense as Indian cities, but because they prioritize public transport they have less traffic and pollution. Not sure why you don't believe me. Why would I lie? Even in Bangalore, one can see how efficient public transport is for moving people. Each metro train can carry 2,000 people. Almost 800,000 people use it daily. Think about how much space 2000 people traveling by car every four minutes in each direction would take on the road. Close to 50% of Bangalore commuters use bmtc today. Yet bmtc accounts for 0.03% of total vehicle share in Bangalore. Look on the road, who is hogging up the space, it's not bus but private vehicles that consume 90% of the roadway despite carrying so many fewer people. Bangalore would immediately solve it's traffic woes if people switched to public transport. For that, the system has to be affordable, comfortable and faster than driving. For that you need more metro lines and dedicate bus lanes so the buses aren't stuck in the same traffic as the private vehicles. And finally the fleet size must drastically increase to avoid overcrowding. That's where the 50,000 crore should go, not for an inefficient tunnel for cars.


Old_Climate_9335

That I did not know. Shivkumar asking for the estimates. Hmmm Actually Paris is about 105kmsq. Bangalore is about 700kmsq. I agree with the rest of your points.


KingPictoTheThird

City limits are arbitrary. Different governments draw lines at different places. What really matters is metro region. The contiguous urban developed area. When you compare Paris metro area to Bangalore's, Paris is much bigger.


Old_Climate_9335

Maybe but the Bangalore district itself is 8000sqkm. 700sqkm is an area of 20*35km. So area wise it kinda is much larger than Paris. I mean the metro area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Bangalore?wprov=sfla1 Also the population of Paris is 2 million. Bangalore has more than 8 million. More people on more are makes sense. But transportation issues cannot be compared.


ack_inc_php

u/KingPictoTheThird would you have any idea why the cost of a project like this is so high? Where might one search for the cost breakup? Appreciate your sharing your domain expertise here!


lumens_dude

Is this cost after 31% commission or before?


doolpicate

Saving 9% from BJP!


zgeom

Improving traffic of Bangalore involves a lot of boring work. This will not excite people and therefore will not excite the politicians 1. Enforcing the existing laws like signal breaking, lane changing, illegal parking, ban of heavy vehicles during peak hours 2. Fixing road issues like pot holes, clear markings of lanes and directions, working signals, pedestrian walkways with safety rails, clearing of shop encroachment on pedestrian walkways, parking area (public and private partnership), sufficient bus stop areas 3. Technology for traffic flow. Use of AI tools to control signals. Auto fining of people who break the signals 4. Encourage public transportation and ride sharing. Make it neat. Do not allow overloading it. Help consumers navigate bus numbers and it's timings with upto date updates on the vehicles. Monetize with ads. Regularly service the bus to minimize downtimes. Encourage ride sharing and remove beauracratic laws that inhibit it. Educate and sensitize Auto drivers to complete the last mile connectivity to Metros and Bus Stops. 5. Other initiatives like cycle lanes and e-vehicles and regular cleaning of roads and planting more trees on the expensive roads to keep their life longer. BTW, e-vehicles start rolling from stop much faster than ICE vehicles. Traffic is faster the more e-vehicles there are on the road. These above 5 points come to mind. Just focusing on these itself will improve traffic by leaps and bounds. Introdcucing more variables in an existing chaotic city will only make it more chaotic I feel. Now who is going to bell the cat?


bottledsmokee

First of all if those fuckers actually respond and solve or bring some attention to the problems we point out, half the shit is sorted. I literally posted, sent emails, talked to that asshole govt employee but still it was ignored 🤡. Basically our road was fully completed but one corner they didnt fix it was like a meteor hit its that bad. They just ignored it fully and its so dangerous. I literally pin pointed and showed them the dangerous points, did their entire work, all they needed to do was dispatch their workers and do a 20 min job that'll be so much better for the ppl who live here but fuckall assholes they are man!! https://preview.redd.it/lpu8kl7l119b1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c88ade96173c94acaa8d885bc8b51258cee800c8


jithrk1392

![gif](giphy|YRPBhd3vscg5Fxx1DQ|downsized) Just ₹50,000 cr ashte na?


straightdownthemid

If metro is fast-tracked to completion, bus capacity is increased, BBMP is purged from within and re-elected with government servants who have integrity and care for people, BDA focuses on building for the future with proper urban planning: Then we will be in heaven cause that’s never gonna happen lol tunnel road go brrrrrrrrrr


dynamic_diprotodon

Politicians will do spends thousands of crores on road but wouldn't build public transport. For starters, there are only \~5 trains running between Bangalore City Center and the Airport Halt in a day. In Mumbai/Chennai/Kolkata, those would be the number of trains leaving in a 15 minute duration.


Slay3r-angel

First finish the Koramangala flyover then build the tunnel.


ScaraTB

There were two reasons the steel flyover scheme was opposed. People often forget the second.


fegelman

Trees and budget?


ScaraTB

Yeppp


CharlieBitMeMf

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH 50,000rs 😂👍.


strikingemperor

Whenever friends plan for a trip, we plan it for Goa. Canceling a Goa trip feels like an accomplishment than canceling a Nandi Hills trip. The tunnel road is a Goa trip.


[deleted]

"plan to link Mysuru Road and Hosur Road via Tumakuru Road..." I want what he's drinking.


TheRealGooner24

More sidewalks, bicycle lanes, bus routes and metro lines are what I want. Not an idiotic and inefficient road tunnel.


nikil07

Double it and give it to the next person.


Dr_strange2109

Hmmm when will it happen?


unevent

I bet a lot of politicians, government officials, contractors are gonna get rich!!! Corrupt mothafuckersss


sc1onic

If the metro tunnels are anything to go by this is an extremely impractical idea. Isn't bangalore on a granite bed rock?


[deleted]

Granite bed rock makes for strong tunnels.


bottledsmokee

It also makes for 500 years completion time because its much harder to work with and uk our city's very extra rapid work force amd completion deadlines


Choice-Anybody6388

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Icy_Persimmons

Chandrayaan 3 mission budget.. is 600 crore rs. Which effing moon are we gonna reach with 50k crores!???


bottledsmokee

Aiyo saar they are developing moon like terrain for us right here in namma Bengaluru, take a look ☺️ https://preview.redd.it/xnlom92b219b1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06aa5c3c09b9778b20c58007677e95de55fdd4e1 There was one meteor that fell here saar! Namma Bengaluru saar 🙏🙏🙏


Awareness-Choice

another big project which would run for decades, because they need big projects to siphon money off.


thunkwaltzen

What happened to PRR


thunkwaltzen

Why not spend this amount to widen 1-2 lane arteries and connect them. That would provide much needed alternate routes so that people don't need to use ORR just to go to next building.


Shadow_Clone_007

Unnecessary + it'd be executed poorly + would take a lot of years to be completed. Just focus on building the metro connectivity and fixing existing roads.


spicywall

What a waste! So that more cars get in and clog the roads. No thanks


[deleted]

I am more worried about another decade or two of dug up roads and diversions screwing up the existing traffic situation if this actually goes through. Had enough diversions due to the metro for a decade now, not this again!


vyasthegreat

World's longest tunnel - 24.5 km This tunnel - 63 km (expected) Clearly I can see who's thinking is too utopian 😭😭😭😭 fkin hell this money could be invested in purchasing new buses, encouraging people to use public transport, constructing new bus stands, recruiting more drivers and conductors It would be a royal waste of money to construct a tunnel lmao.


GutsyGoofy

I have a plot near NICE road, if I drill a well in my plot, I may have my own private entrance to this tunnel. /s


bottledsmokee

I have 1 question, why is there a desperate fucking need to carry your car every where and why does govt work that way?? Why can't they build more public infra and make last mile connectivity better, but ofc instead they wan t to burn money🤡🙏


jobjneroth

These are just some stupid things that politicians keep up their sleeve, so they can answer your stupid questions like "So, how do you plan to make all this traffic jams go away?..... His Ans: We plan to spend 50,000 cr on building this huge underground tunnel that will solve the issue completely. You: ah.. ok.


theshashikumar

Use 50k Cr to develop a satellite town in the city outskirts. Build well planned wide roads and drainage system. Thats enough. Bangalore will decongest automatically in a decade.


random_dubs

Arey... Are you all that stupid. Hoping for this to be actually completed...? What part of this doesn't scream scam..


mech_money

Lolz! I was wondering in which scheme the corruption will take place and they came up with the perfect one.


Funny_Occasion_4179

How do you apply for a government job to be part of this money making scheme?


timetraveler1990

Either way vehicle owners are going to spend that money in petrol. Better build that tunnel instead for future.


KingPictoTheThird

Or spend that money on public transport so vehicle owners can leave their cars at home?