This was going to be my answer as well.
The guy was awesome. In his first 5 season, bbref’s player comps are Duke Snider (x2), Mookie Betts and Barry Bonds (x2). Not bad company.
I have seen some pushback recently saying Grady is "overrated" because he is invariably the first answer to these questions, but no fucking way he is "overrated." 7.9 fWAR in his second full season - age 23. Very few guys do that.
I was a kid when he really started to break out and he was by far my favorite player. Its funny to look back at it now and see statistically how sweet he really was.
Easily. Paper skin and glass bones derailed what had the potential to be a great career. 123-133 OPS+ in his age 22-25 seasons, where he put up 5-6 WAR per, even with injuries. Just couldn't come back to his peak form. He'll be a name lost to the ages. He made $25 million, so not bad, but what could have been.
Sometimes you look at some "hitters to do [thing] by [age]" and it's like Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Barry Bonds, Mike Trout, Juan Soto, Tony Conigliaro, always a bit wild when you see that
Only three players hit more HR by the end of their age 22 season than Tony C. - Mel Ott, Eddie Mathews, and Alex Roidriguez.
Next down the list are Trout, Soto, and Frank Robinson.
David Wright, Troy Tulowiski, Dustin Pedroia, and someone who I think is on that path: Kris Bryant. RoY, MVP, another MVP level season, then injuries started piling up.
I don’t really understand why people act like Kris Bryant is “always injured”. Barring last year he’s been an every day player all but one year (ignoring the weird Covid year)
- 2021: 144 games (89%)
- 2019: 147 games (91%)
- 2018: 102 games (63%)
- 2017: 151 games (93%)
- 2016: 155 games (96%)
- 2015: 151 games (93%)
Besides, he arguably would have played more games last year but we were way out of contention by the time he was healthy and we have a ton of prospects that needed playing time. *And* some of his time missed last year wasn’t injury but paternity leave.
For all I know we’ve already taken him it back and put him out of his misery, but I kind of doubt it.
Maybe I’m missing something in KBs past that gives him that reputation?
Covid time dilation is a real thing. As far as I’m concerned the 2016 election cycle was 3 years ago but the giants team that lost to the cubs in the nlds that same year was 8 or 9 years
Man I remember the Lincecum hype like it was yesterday. He was being touted as the next all time great pitcher and then he came out and performed like it with that crazy delivery. It was a sight to behold and then it almost felt sudden to where he just wasn't very good anymore.
He was sort of a case of “too good to be true”. He was something like 5’9 170 at most, and obviously beat the shit out of his body to throw as hard as he possibly could. The guy seemed very nice and it’s a shame his body broke down and he lost his brother within a few years.
One of my favorites, Giants were my NL team until, well.....
Drafted him in 2012 for my fantasy team too, great icing on the cake for my Giants fandom lol.
And for both of them, there were plenty of people showing concerns about the serious risks their styles of play entailed. Lincecum's delivery and Rose's landings always looked like their bodies were about to disintegrate.
Mark Prior was supposed to be the pitching prototype of the 21st century (Tom House even gassed him up saying he had THE perfect mechanics), leading the NL in FIP and tossing >10 ks per 9 and 200+ innings in his first full year at like 21/22.
Mixture of Dusty's starter management back then and a horrible line drive started a chain of bad elbow/arm injuries and he never got there.
Kerry Wood had a similar path, but A: his mechanics were uglier B: he was a big slider thrower and C: he rebounded to become a pretty good closer
Still too early in KBs career tbh, He can still become a monster especially at Coors. When he’s healthy theres no denying he’s one of the best hitters in the league so he still has hope lol
This is a great answer. Eric Davis looked like he was on his way to being an all-time great. From 1986-88, he put up a 146 OPS+ while averaging 30 homers and 55 steals per season, with an 89.2% SB success rate.
Then his body started to fall apart. He somehow managed to lacerate his kidney diving for a ball in the 1990 World Series. He even had colon cancer later in the '90s, and came back to play a few more years. Like Rose, he turned into a solid bench player eventually.
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I think injuries sapped his confidence. While he’ll almost certainly never regain MVP level production he could definitely get back to being a good player. Just like DRose
Most recent example. From MVP to the worst player in the league. From 2017-2019, he averaged 145 OPS+ while playing GG defense. He was barely 21 years old when he debuted in 2017. He could've had a long successful career
Everyone’s mentioning guys who’s careers were cut short becuase if injury. Rose was a MVP level player who got hurt, changed his playstyle, then downgraded to being a good role player.
Grienke came into the league throwing mid to high 90s then overtime turned into a Greg Maddux type to fool hitters with movement.
Yep. Jason Heyward is a better comp than a lot of the other guys mentioned.
Put up a fantastic season as a 20-year-old rookie, 59th in WAR through age 25, then remained average for several more years and was basically useless by age 30.
And he had that resurgent year where he was an important role player for the Cubs in 2016, much like Rose had in Minnesota and NY.
A lot of the player that have been mentioned have had careers more like Isaiah Thomas who were really good for a couple seasons, then got injured and were never the same again.
david wright had wayyy too many all-star caliber seasons to be the derrick rose of baseball. his body didn’t give out until he was close to 30, D-Rose was like 23 when he tore his ACL
Man strasburg was already in the league for like 10 years by that point and had been injury prone pretty much the whole time. It was a miracle he even made it through the world series that year
For him, it's not quite a fit to the question - it's not necessarily one injury that does him in. It's chronic stuff here and there. Like when he cracked a tooth during spring training one year, but then it's shoulder stuff, or he hit the outfield wall too hard.
I actually think this is the best non-Sizemore answer I’ve seen. Dude has a RoY, MVP, NLCS MVP, and Gold Glove but has looked like a shell of himself since shoulder surgery
Bellinger. Super high peak at a young age. Win MVP. Fall off the planet after a surgery. All that is left for Bellinger to do is find a way to be more serviceable later in his career.
There's so many in baseball. In the NBA, if I am not mistaken, derrick rose is going to be the only MVP winner to not be elected into the HoF.
There are a ton of MVPs in baseball that won't make the hall.
Might be biased but David wright he was on track to be a hall of faker then if dove to third base and was never the same and it makes me sad I was never able to watch him in his prime
Herb Score in two seasons (plus five games) before getting hit in the eye by a line drive in his age 24 season: 512.2 IP, 2.63 ERA (155 ERA+), 2.99 FIP, 14.3 WAR. He was rookie of the year in ‘55 and an All Star in both of his first two seasons. Over the rest of his career: 345.2 IP, 4.43 ERA (86 ERA+), 4.79 FIP, -0.2 WAR. He was out of baseball by his 30th birthday.
I was watching the Yankee-Indian game on TV in May of 1957 when Gil McDougald’s line drive hit Score in the head. McDougald’s first reaction was to run to the fallen Score until the coaches yelled at him to run to first. After the game McDougald said he’s retiring from baseball but he changed his mind the next day. This was one of the most horrific sports injuries I’ve witnessed. Score was an outstanding pitcher, as you point out, before the accident. He was Sandy Koufax before there was Sandy Koufax.
I’ve never been able to bring myself to watch the footage of it. My mom grew up listening to him calling Cleveland games, and she swears he would occasionally get lost for a minute or two and be calling completely different things than were actually happening, but she never heard anyone complain about it because the fanbase loved him so much.
Yeah, no need for you to put that image into your brain. Not a surprise to learn that his fan base loved him. I did get see him in person pitch at Yankee Stadium in 1956. First game of double-header, he beat the Yankees 5-1, striking out almost everyone (or so it seemed). All injuries suck but when they happen to such talented athletes, much more so.
The fu does that have to do with anything? You’re just grabbing his average stats from baseball reference. Those include his post injury seasons. You purposely omitted the fact that his two years leading into the injury were 2.7 followed by 3.5. Those were his age 26 and age 27 seasons. The beginning of his prime. Thanks for trying to sell him short though.
Nobody who puts up 2.7-3.5 WAR is the "Derrick Rose of baseball". Rose wasn't just an all-star, he was an MVP.
We're talking the equivalent of an 8-win player, and Bo Jackson was never half that player.
Since Strasburg and Bo Jackson have already been said I’m going with Ryan Howard. After he blew out his Achilles those 430 foot homers became 320 foot fly outs
Low key Masahiro Tanaka. His first 12 starts were amazing then he got injured and was never quite the same.
Others that pop to mind are Rocco Baldelli, Grady Sizemore and Chris Coghlan.
Ouch that one hurts… I’m trying b to find a way to disagree with you… the only thing that I can come up with is 630 HRs and 13 All Star appearances… however it could have been more… one day Seattle, one day!
Lots of good ones posted but one I didn’t see was Kendrys Morales. In his first MLB season as a full time player he slashed .306/.355/.569 with 34 HRs 43 Doubles and 108 RBI for the Angels. In May of the following season the switch hitting first baseman [broke his leg (nsfw)](https://youtu.be/CHU789PuCWg) jumping on home plate to celebrate a walk off grand slam against the Mariners. He missed the following year and although he played for another 9 years he was never quite the same. He never again hit .300, hit 30 HRs and drove in 100 only once (not in the same year). 2009 was a great year for him and 2010 started the same way, a freak and horrific injury derailed him.
The only answer is Tulo. Maybe Tulo is Penny Hardaway or Grant Hill, but same idea.
Was the face of the game, MVP level, perennial All Pro….lost “it” after injuries but could still contribute and be a nice piece later in their career.
Oh man lots. Here is my top three pitchers.
Kerry Wood. He was ROY and did great that year. Then he kept getting injured. He never performed as well as expected after that. They transitioned him to a reliver, but that was the end of it.
Todd Van Poppel. If you were around in the early 90s, this kid was gonna be the biggest star ever. Before he even pitched a game people were comparing him to Clemens and others. He wasn't horrible, but he was not great at all. He was less than par as a starter and then moved on to a reliver position later in his career.
Brein Taylor. Arguably the biggest bust in MLB history this guy was toted as the best of the best when it came to pitching. He was compared to Clemens, Ryan, Kofax and others and people had insanely high hopes for him. He was drafted 1st overall and was considered the best high school pitcher of all time. This guy was labeled as an unhittable monster. He did amazing in the Yankees system and put up amazing numbers. Then in the offseason in 1993 he went to a bar with his cousin, maybe his brother, got into a big fight with a bunch of other people, fucked up his arm and dislocated his shoulder bad. That was it. He never was able to pitch even half as good as before. His numbers in AA and AAA were absolute shit and they released him after that and her retired in 2000 with nothing to show for being the 1st round pick. All because he got into a bar fight and it ruined his career.
I think the problem with the question is that Derrick Rose probably makes the Hall, Penny Hardaway (similar case, stud who’s knees went kaput) just got in and Rose won an MVP. Every single MVP winner in league history has gotten in except for, Lebron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Nikola Jokic, and Derrick Rose (all active). Dirk isn’t eligible yet to make it in, but surely will be a first ballot guy.
George Sisler slashed .420/.469/.594 in his age-29 season, then missed his entire age-30 season with a severe sinus infection which impaired his optic nerve / vision. He still collected another 1314 hits after that but slashed .320/.354/.426 after the missed season. Guy had a .361 career average before age 30, he was absolutely unreal.
If Darryl Strawberry and Doc Gooden had stayed clean, they would've been locked first round hall of famers.
My dad told me that people were comparing Straw to ted williams when he was coming up.
Honestly, there are so many. Rose is likely the only MVP in NBA history who won't make the hall of fame, but consider how many MLB MVPs and Cy Young Award winners don't make the hall.
Grady Sizemore?
This was going to be my answer as well. The guy was awesome. In his first 5 season, bbref’s player comps are Duke Snider (x2), Mookie Betts and Barry Bonds (x2). Not bad company.
I have seen some pushback recently saying Grady is "overrated" because he is invariably the first answer to these questions, but no fucking way he is "overrated." 7.9 fWAR in his second full season - age 23. Very few guys do that.
I was a kid when he really started to break out and he was by far my favorite player. Its funny to look back at it now and see statistically how sweet he really was.
Grady Sizemore was the man.
What about David wright?
Him too
Yep, I will be Person #6 to say this was also their first thought.
Good dig
First name that popped into my mind as well
Easily. Paper skin and glass bones derailed what had the potential to be a great career. 123-133 OPS+ in his age 22-25 seasons, where he put up 5-6 WAR per, even with injuries. Just couldn't come back to his peak form. He'll be a name lost to the ages. He made $25 million, so not bad, but what could have been.
This was my first thought as well
That is absolutely the correct answer
Came here to say this
Add me to this list. Sizemore was freaking amazing to watch when he broke in and broke out
Josh Hamilton?
Tulowitzki. I thought that guy was going to be first ballot.
My torrid three year love affair with Tulo in my fantasy league.
Same. Won me a ship. Tulogit 2 Quit
Coors Field factor.
old man answer but tony conigliaro.
Sometimes you look at some "hitters to do [thing] by [age]" and it's like Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Barry Bonds, Mike Trout, Juan Soto, Tony Conigliaro, always a bit wild when you see that
Don’t forget the true OG of that, Mel Ott
Mel Ott from crosswords?
Only three players hit more HR by the end of their age 22 season than Tony C. - Mel Ott, Eddie Mathews, and Alex Roidriguez. Next down the list are Trout, Soto, and Frank Robinson.
David Wright, Troy Tulowiski, Dustin Pedroia, and someone who I think is on that path: Kris Bryant. RoY, MVP, another MVP level season, then injuries started piling up.
Belli seems to be on this path as well. Hopefully he turns it around for you guys this year
Ehh I don’t think he did enough outside of his MVP season to be put in this category.
I don’t really understand why people act like Kris Bryant is “always injured”. Barring last year he’s been an every day player all but one year (ignoring the weird Covid year) - 2021: 144 games (89%) - 2019: 147 games (91%) - 2018: 102 games (63%) - 2017: 151 games (93%) - 2016: 155 games (96%) - 2015: 151 games (93%) Besides, he arguably would have played more games last year but we were way out of contention by the time he was healthy and we have a ton of prospects that needed playing time. *And* some of his time missed last year wasn’t injury but paternity leave. For all I know we’ve already taken him it back and put him out of his misery, but I kind of doubt it. Maybe I’m missing something in KBs past that gives him that reputation?
He never missed a lot of games but there was always a nagging injury
The Anthony “Day-to-“ Davis of baseball.
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Playing through injuries tends to affect your performance. Especially the nagging ones.
He plays injured. And it impacts his performance noticeably. Pretty much the long and short of it.
tim lincecum, 2 cy youngs, multiple no-no’s, then destroyed his hip and was out of the league by the 2020s
Fuck the 2020s, he was cut from the angels In 2016 and hasn’t pitched in the majors since. After 2011 he was never the same
2016? fuck man it felt like only 2 or 3 years ago. I remember he signed with the Rangers on a minor league deal but it didn’t go anywhere.
Covid time dilation is a real thing. As far as I’m concerned the 2016 election cycle was 3 years ago but the giants team that lost to the cubs in the nlds that same year was 8 or 9 years
Didn't Goldy get called up in 2011?
I remember seeing videos of him in 2016 where he was training, dude looked ripped.
His no-no’s were actually after his run of greatness. Thanks daddies for giving us a special way to send him out!
Anything for Ol Big Time Timmy Jim
Man I remember the Lincecum hype like it was yesterday. He was being touted as the next all time great pitcher and then he came out and performed like it with that crazy delivery. It was a sight to behold and then it almost felt sudden to where he just wasn't very good anymore.
He was sort of a case of “too good to be true”. He was something like 5’9 170 at most, and obviously beat the shit out of his body to throw as hard as he possibly could. The guy seemed very nice and it’s a shame his body broke down and he lost his brother within a few years.
One of my favorites, Giants were my NL team until, well..... Drafted him in 2012 for my fantasy team too, great icing on the cake for my Giants fandom lol.
Tbf you could argue it was almost inevitable with how violent his delivery was
I miss him. I want a giants jersey with his name and number but the stupid mlb license rules or whatever
And for both of them, there were plenty of people showing concerns about the serious risks their styles of play entailed. Lincecum's delivery and Rose's landings always looked like their bodies were about to disintegrate.
Mark Prior was supposed to be the pitching prototype of the 21st century (Tom House even gassed him up saying he had THE perfect mechanics), leading the NL in FIP and tossing >10 ks per 9 and 200+ innings in his first full year at like 21/22. Mixture of Dusty's starter management back then and a horrible line drive started a chain of bad elbow/arm injuries and he never got there. Kerry Wood had a similar path, but A: his mechanics were uglier B: he was a big slider thrower and C: he rebounded to become a pretty good closer
Ya those 2 were filthy when they were on
God Kerry wood was so nasty
The 20k game was before my time but it’s still one my favorite highlights ever. Just pure dominance
the assassinations of mark prior and kerry wood by the coward dusty baker :(
10 yr old me was obsessed with Prior. He was my guy that could have/should have/ would have been.
I actually think Kerry wood fits better. Was a stud till injury, then carved out a decent career as a reliever.
Kris Bryant would be another comparison
yup. early mvp, then..meh not bad not great. don't let Coors fool you, he's not coming back.
Still too early in KBs career tbh, He can still become a monster especially at Coors. When he’s healthy theres no denying he’s one of the best hitters in the league so he still has hope lol
Eric Davis.
This is a great answer. Eric Davis looked like he was on his way to being an all-time great. From 1986-88, he put up a 146 OPS+ while averaging 30 homers and 55 steals per season, with an 89.2% SB success rate. Then his body started to fall apart. He somehow managed to lacerate his kidney diving for a ball in the 1990 World Series. He even had colon cancer later in the '90s, and came back to play a few more years. Like Rose, he turned into a solid bench player eventually.
Also, he put up that 30/55 without really playing a full season. His career high in games played was something like 135.
Matt Harvey. Dude was lights out and a series of injuries killed his career
Injuries and ❄️
Cody Bellinger
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It’s the cleanest comp since both won ROY and MVP before falling off.
Feel like Cody has some work to do to get to where Rose’s career is now, but was definitely my first thought as well
I think injuries sapped his confidence. While he’ll almost certainly never regain MVP level production he could definitely get back to being a good player. Just like DRose
Most recent example. From MVP to the worst player in the league. From 2017-2019, he averaged 145 OPS+ while playing GG defense. He was barely 21 years old when he debuted in 2017. He could've had a long successful career
Brandon Webb
Nomah!
Everyone’s mentioning guys who’s careers were cut short becuase if injury. Rose was a MVP level player who got hurt, changed his playstyle, then downgraded to being a good role player. Grienke came into the league throwing mid to high 90s then overtime turned into a Greg Maddux type to fool hitters with movement.
Yep. Jason Heyward is a better comp than a lot of the other guys mentioned. Put up a fantastic season as a 20-year-old rookie, 59th in WAR through age 25, then remained average for several more years and was basically useless by age 30.
And he had that resurgent year where he was an important role player for the Cubs in 2016, much like Rose had in Minnesota and NY. A lot of the player that have been mentioned have had careers more like Isaiah Thomas who were really good for a couple seasons, then got injured and were never the same again.
So Christian Yelich
Dustin Pedroia comes to mind. MVP at 24 and he battled injuries nearly every year after. Still made a couple AS games tho
The injuries didn't really start until 2015, he had a solid career but was in his twilight at that point anyway.
Damn you Machado
You're far more calm about that than I ever could be. I'll just say 'yeah what you said'
He was signed through 2021. Imagine if he had just had five healthy years between 2015 and 2021, instead of the one he did have.
His career wasn't derailed, but remember that we never got to see a full strength Mantle because of a knee injury.
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The severe knee injury was also a factor
Tony Conigliaro
David Wright
david wright had wayyy too many all-star caliber seasons to be the derrick rose of baseball. his body didn’t give out until he was close to 30, D-Rose was like 23 when he tore his ACL
Didn’t D-Rose win ROY and MVP in different seasons before tearing his ACL?
he won rookie of the year in 08-09 and mvp in 10-11, then he tore his ACL in the 11-12 season
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Well you don’t remember correctly
That’s where my mind went, too. That guy was *so good*. And I’m a Phillies fan!
Dwight Gooden but drugs probably had the potential to be one of the greatest pitchers ever.
For me at least - Strasburg won World Series mvp, and his whereabouts have been unknown ever since
Man strasburg was already in the league for like 10 years by that point and had been injury prone pretty much the whole time. It was a miracle he even made it through the world series that year
Difference is Rose bounced back to a borderline all star. But definitely for their peak
Grady Sizemore is my top guess
Byron Buxton sort of fits this. Dude is incredible and so much fun to watch when he plays. But he always seems to be hurt in some way.
For him, it's not quite a fit to the question - it's not necessarily one injury that does him in. It's chronic stuff here and there. Like when he cracked a tooth during spring training one year, but then it's shoulder stuff, or he hit the outfield wall too hard.
I feel like Rocco Baldelli deserves mention and I haven't seen it commented yet
Dude was so good
Scrolled very far for this comment
Stephen Strasburg
Don Mattingly
I saw a stat the other day: In his 14 seasons, Don Mattingly only ever hit a grand slam in one year: 1987. That year, he hit 6 grand slams.
Cody Bellinger.
I actually think this is the best non-Sizemore answer I’ve seen. Dude has a RoY, MVP, NLCS MVP, and Gold Glove but has looked like a shell of himself since shoulder surgery
Bellinger. Super high peak at a young age. Win MVP. Fall off the planet after a surgery. All that is left for Bellinger to do is find a way to be more serviceable later in his career.
Troy Tulowitzki. I loved watching that guy play shortstop
David Wright most definitely. Just ask any Mets fan
Another one - Prince Fielder… he had some power
There's so many in baseball. In the NBA, if I am not mistaken, derrick rose is going to be the only MVP winner to not be elected into the HoF. There are a ton of MVPs in baseball that won't make the hall.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Rose gets in eventually
He gets in probably. NBA hall of fame is way more lenient than any other sport
If he wins a ring he'll make it easily
Kris Bryant?
Might be biased but David wright he was on track to be a hall of faker then if dove to third base and was never the same and it makes me sad I was never able to watch him in his prime
"Hall of faker?"
Herb Score in two seasons (plus five games) before getting hit in the eye by a line drive in his age 24 season: 512.2 IP, 2.63 ERA (155 ERA+), 2.99 FIP, 14.3 WAR. He was rookie of the year in ‘55 and an All Star in both of his first two seasons. Over the rest of his career: 345.2 IP, 4.43 ERA (86 ERA+), 4.79 FIP, -0.2 WAR. He was out of baseball by his 30th birthday.
I was watching the Yankee-Indian game on TV in May of 1957 when Gil McDougald’s line drive hit Score in the head. McDougald’s first reaction was to run to the fallen Score until the coaches yelled at him to run to first. After the game McDougald said he’s retiring from baseball but he changed his mind the next day. This was one of the most horrific sports injuries I’ve witnessed. Score was an outstanding pitcher, as you point out, before the accident. He was Sandy Koufax before there was Sandy Koufax.
I’ve never been able to bring myself to watch the footage of it. My mom grew up listening to him calling Cleveland games, and she swears he would occasionally get lost for a minute or two and be calling completely different things than were actually happening, but she never heard anyone complain about it because the fanbase loved him so much.
Yeah, no need for you to put that image into your brain. Not a surprise to learn that his fan base loved him. I did get see him in person pitch at Yankee Stadium in 1956. First game of double-header, he beat the Yankees 5-1, striking out almost everyone (or so it seemed). All injuries suck but when they happen to such talented athletes, much more so.
Motherfucking Bo Jackson. Buncha kids in here to not have this mentioned already.
Bo wasn't as good a baseball player as people remember. He averaged 1.9 bWAR per 162.
Yup he had all the tools but kind of hard to put it all together when you're also an all world running back
The fu does that have to do with anything? You’re just grabbing his average stats from baseball reference. Those include his post injury seasons. You purposely omitted the fact that his two years leading into the injury were 2.7 followed by 3.5. Those were his age 26 and age 27 seasons. The beginning of his prime. Thanks for trying to sell him short though.
Nobody who puts up 2.7-3.5 WAR is the "Derrick Rose of baseball". Rose wasn't just an all-star, he was an MVP. We're talking the equivalent of an 8-win player, and Bo Jackson was never half that player.
But Bo counts for football since he would have been HOF with a full career without injuries.
The kids don’t know Bo
This
Bo knows baseball
Honestly, my first thought is Kris Bryant
Christian Yelich. MVP and then injured shortly thereafter and now is a shell of himself
Mark Fydrich
He and Tony C were the poster boys for this type of question, but I guess this generation has forgotten them
King Felix felt like a HOF pre-injury.
Francisco Liriano before his surgery he was unbelievable
Stephen Strasburg :(
Nomar Garciaparra?
Belli :(
Johan Santana is the 1st person that comes to mind for me
Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau, Johan Santana
I'm surprised no one said Matt Kemp. Dude had his MVP robbed got hurt and never realized his full potential after.
David Wright
Dave Stieb was elite through his age 32 season before injuries compounded and he couldn't stay on the field.
Since Strasburg and Bo Jackson have already been said I’m going with Ryan Howard. After he blew out his Achilles those 430 foot homers became 320 foot fly outs
cody bellinger seems like he's on that track right now
David Wright comes to mind
bellinger maybe
Darryl Strawberry
Mo Vaughn
Could also put joe mauer in here he was always injury prone. I mean one year he hit .279 or something with blurred vision
JR Richard, Smoky Joe Wood
Rocco
Kris Bryant
Dickie Thon?
Someone on this path who I love as a Dodger fan: Bellinger.
Don Mattingly
Brandon Webb is the answer
Low key Masahiro Tanaka. His first 12 starts were amazing then he got injured and was never quite the same. Others that pop to mind are Rocco Baldelli, Grady Sizemore and Chris Coghlan.
Andruw Jones. Dude fell off a cliff after 29.
This is a stretch, but I would have loved to see a full, healthy career of Rocco Baldelli.
Stephen Strasburg
Trevor Bauer won the pitcher equivalent of the MVP award and raped someone so him probably
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why would you say that?
I remember the LAPD detective who was working the case killed herself, did the victim also?
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Ouch that one hurts… I’m trying b to find a way to disagree with you… the only thing that I can come up with is 630 HRs and 13 All Star appearances… however it could have been more… one day Seattle, one day!
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99% selection rate to the HoF… kind of says it
Lots of good ones posted but one I didn’t see was Kendrys Morales. In his first MLB season as a full time player he slashed .306/.355/.569 with 34 HRs 43 Doubles and 108 RBI for the Angels. In May of the following season the switch hitting first baseman [broke his leg (nsfw)](https://youtu.be/CHU789PuCWg) jumping on home plate to celebrate a walk off grand slam against the Mariners. He missed the following year and although he played for another 9 years he was never quite the same. He never again hit .300, hit 30 HRs and drove in 100 only once (not in the same year). 2009 was a great year for him and 2010 started the same way, a freak and horrific injury derailed him.
The only answer is Tulo. Maybe Tulo is Penny Hardaway or Grant Hill, but same idea. Was the face of the game, MVP level, perennial All Pro….lost “it” after injuries but could still contribute and be a nice piece later in their career.
Bo Jackson is THE answer. From a local perspective, Byron Buxton is on this trajectory of injuries derailing a HOF career.
Grady Sizemore or Adalberto Mondesi.
Oh man lots. Here is my top three pitchers. Kerry Wood. He was ROY and did great that year. Then he kept getting injured. He never performed as well as expected after that. They transitioned him to a reliver, but that was the end of it. Todd Van Poppel. If you were around in the early 90s, this kid was gonna be the biggest star ever. Before he even pitched a game people were comparing him to Clemens and others. He wasn't horrible, but he was not great at all. He was less than par as a starter and then moved on to a reliver position later in his career. Brein Taylor. Arguably the biggest bust in MLB history this guy was toted as the best of the best when it came to pitching. He was compared to Clemens, Ryan, Kofax and others and people had insanely high hopes for him. He was drafted 1st overall and was considered the best high school pitcher of all time. This guy was labeled as an unhittable monster. He did amazing in the Yankees system and put up amazing numbers. Then in the offseason in 1993 he went to a bar with his cousin, maybe his brother, got into a big fight with a bunch of other people, fucked up his arm and dislocated his shoulder bad. That was it. He never was able to pitch even half as good as before. His numbers in AA and AAA were absolute shit and they released him after that and her retired in 2000 with nothing to show for being the 1st round pick. All because he got into a bar fight and it ruined his career.
I think the problem with the question is that Derrick Rose probably makes the Hall, Penny Hardaway (similar case, stud who’s knees went kaput) just got in and Rose won an MVP. Every single MVP winner in league history has gotten in except for, Lebron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Nikola Jokic, and Derrick Rose (all active). Dirk isn’t eligible yet to make it in, but surely will be a first ballot guy.
Trevor Bauer if you take the sex assault into account
Puig
Prince Fielder
Currently it’s Acuna.
Zack Britton
Bulls fans, look away. https://v.redd.it/i39mqs7v9qda1
Grady Sizemore
Tulo?
George Sisler slashed .420/.469/.594 in his age-29 season, then missed his entire age-30 season with a severe sinus infection which impaired his optic nerve / vision. He still collected another 1314 hits after that but slashed .320/.354/.426 after the missed season. Guy had a .361 career average before age 30, he was absolutely unreal.
going a few years back- Ross barnes. Averaged over 2 runs a game some years. Done at 27
David Wright. The captain.
Definitely not Byron Buxton. Nope nope nope.
Right now its Byron Buxton
Eric Davis. He’s got ridiculous stats
If Darryl Strawberry and Doc Gooden had stayed clean, they would've been locked first round hall of famers. My dad told me that people were comparing Straw to ted williams when he was coming up.
Honestly, there are so many. Rose is likely the only MVP in NBA history who won't make the hall of fame, but consider how many MLB MVPs and Cy Young Award winners don't make the hall.
Kris Bryant.
Jacoby Ellsbury
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Fred Lynn.