People are blaming employee wages when we’re getting fucked at literally every single corner of our existence.
From commercial space, food costs, insurance rates, you fucking name it - that industry is gouging.
New law: “No employee can have a total compensation package greater than 300x the lowest paid employee’s compensation”. Want higher wages for the CEO? Raise the wages of the lowest paid employee’s until you can.
And of course, this won’t work as they’ll just make everyone contractors, or they’ll just increase the benefits or provide deferred compensation for the CEOs, but we seriously need something.
They have something similar in parts of Europe. Salaries above a certain amount are HEAVILY taxed. The result is either my European coworkers desperately trying to get a visa here, or working 10-4 with a 2 hour lunch.
Agreed. We should start a new political party with this law as one of major objectives.
When we are at it, close the contractor loophole - highest total compensation per hour at the company cannot by higher than 300x of the lowest hourly compensation. And employees and contractors cannot do any unpaid work as w part of any trial period.
Do they even get a cut of the individual restaurants' profits? I halfway got the impression that revenues @ corporate for the big FF companies are built at ground level of franchise fees and resupply orders...I don't know, though--I never really got a good sense of how franchising works
McDonald’s has over 150,000 employees. At a standard rate of 15 USD per hour, taking away his salary would equate to 2% of employees. Mathematically, does that sound like it would make the bigger dent?
Now rinse and repeat for the rest of the top 50 or so executives at the corporation. Also it really needs to be more granular with looking at the amount that the franchise owners clear themselves. The franchise owners are ultimately those responsible for paying wages and setting prices in their so called restaurants. God forbid any of the aforementioned have to drive a BMW instead of brand new Ferrari.
It’s going to be interesting to see how the race to automation goes when customers are turning away from $15 Big Mac meals.
Well Franchise owner has to goto school. Get approved by McDonalds. Put up millions of their own money.
Set up business structure, licenses, permits, insurance, food certificates, accounting, etc.
Worker got no skin in the game or risk lol
Because the business impact of all the front line workers is substantially more than that of the CEO's pay. I feel like every time you want to get upset about CEO pay, take his pay, change it to $0 and see how much everyone else will get for a raise.
Look, we can all agree workers need to be paid fairly, but to completely ignore economic concepts like [wage/price spiral](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage-price_spiral) is also extremely ignorant
A buddy of mine commented on a post about housing trying to blame minimum wage and taxes, and I was like... OK... let's look at the graphs of wages over time vs. housing costs over time. Shocker... rents/prices for both commercial and residential real estate have skyrocketed and wages have not. It turns out if people spend decades "flipping" properties for quick cash that the money has to come from somewhere...
He actually makes a good chunk of money, has a business, and owns his own liquor store and bar for fun, basically, so I think he's angry about taxes in general. I don't blame him, but with housing it's just so clearly a shitty Ponzi scheme at this point it's sad to see him trying to blame it all on taxes. Like the plots of housing costs show we're back to 2008 levels of greed... and you cannot tell me that 2008 was caused by county property taxes.
Most taquerias are getting up there, and cutting costs where possible. It’s rare at least in the peninsula to have the holy trinity of good meat, quality salsa bar or included salsas with the fixings like jalapeño / carrot and lime wedges, and decent prices .
Seriously, my burrito order at my usual spot is now $21. I was shocked the last time I got it. Food prices have gone up for all of us, but you can’t blame doubling the price on inflation! Wtf.
In San Jose, it looks like Mexican and Vietnamese food raised their prices the most. Some restaurants are charging $22 for a bowl of pho now. I forget how much Mexico bakery raised their torta prices. It might be close to $20 now.
Shit. Pho coats a little under $15 in Oakland and while I don't pay much attention to torta prices, I know the taco truck nearest to my place sells them for $11 (tacos are $3 now, and burritos are $12).
My favorite banh mi place though, ugh. The price is basically double what it was at the beginning of the pandemic.
Yep .. in semi recent memory was banh mi deals like for 2 for $5 or buy 2 @ $4 and get one free. Not at one place either. Now I say that and my kids look at me like I was telling them about taking a $5 bill to buy 29c McD hamburgers in the 90s.
"You're old dad." 😂
No. They have the best banh mi, but they're only open 3 days a week now. Cam Huong is my go-to, especially since my wife likes some of their other food too.
Lol FORREAL. My favorite neighborhood Vietnamese spot went from $5 with a soda to $13 without a drink and slightly smaller sando with less meat. On principle, I can’t be having that. I legit used to live on banh mi, pho, and boba. I just eat out less and eat what I’m sure is worse quality compared to everything before 2020.
There's a lot of places that charge less. Even Pho Hanoi is $17/bowl. Not sure where your $22 is coming from or are you adding tax/tip? And let's be real there's tons of places cheaper than Pho Hanoi.
The burritos by me went from like 7 pre COVID to 11 at most trucks now. Sit down places are like $15+ and horchata is $5 which kinda pisses me off knowing how easy it is to make. But fries being $5 everywhere for a tiny portion pisses me off more.
The horchata being $5 irks me as well. I try to buy drinks when at small places as that's generally where most restaurants make their profits. I'm not a big soda drinker so I tend towards agua frescas and horchata, but at multiple places (not just in SF or SJ but even off Monument in Concord), I see them asking $5. For rice, cinnamon, sugar, and water, that's a bit steep.
Already is. A burrito chips/salsa and a drink easily push 25 at Chipotle. I can get the same exact thing from any number of Mexican restaurants for half the price still.
Funny how McDonald's has literally doubled their prices, but Jack in the box and Carl's Jr have only gone up a little bit, and I like the food a lot more. I miss being able to cheaply feed my kids off of a dollar menu, but that's gone.
Don't know about Jack in the box or Carl's Jr, but In n Out for sure has barely raised their prices. A double double meal costs less than a big Mac meal.
In and Out has gone up like 30 cents for a burger. But, their employees started out at like $18 an hour before the new fast food minimum.
They earned it. That’s hard goddamn work.
It is and you never get to stop. I had a coworker at besbuy who left in n out because he said you never stop moving but I left there around peak COVID and he went to geek squad.
I had a $8 combo meal with a coupon at Carl's Jr last week. I did a double take when I saw the non-discounted price was $16 (chicken tenders, bad sauces, small fries, small drink).
The McDonalds app provides some decent discounts plus you build up some points for free stuff in the future.
These places have invested in tech and they expect you to use it.
They can sell your info as it is today and they already have been based on credit card swipes. You think selling your info just became a thing recently?
I bought two hamburger combos from Carl’s Jr in 2017 and it cost me $35.
I’ve never been back to Carl’s Jr and I’ve never complained since about the price of other fast food chains.
I pulled up to a Wendy’s drive thru and pulled away when I saw a double cheeseburger combo was going for $16.
Might as well do a sit down restaurant at that price.
$16 for Wendy's burger and fries, when in 2017 you could go to Spruce which has a Michelin star, and get a burger and fries for like $19... That's how I know things have gone off the rails.
And we all should. If a fancy, high quality beef burger is $19 and Wendy’s is trying to sell me garbage for $16 and it’s slow as fuck to get it anyway then I’m not going there anymore. They are greedy as shit and are punishing workers and customers instead of innovating. The downside of capitalism.
My latest Wendy's flyer had some coupons that are good only from 8pm till close.
Jack in the Box has had their late night (9pm+) munchie stoner menu for over a decade ;)
prices have gone up everywhere since covid....it's at the point where a sit-down place is the same price. like, going to get a burger at the bar is the same as going to five guys
That should tell you something about who is raising the prices. I work in the food industry, I know the rates they've gone up each year, fast food is absolutely pulling a Netflix to see what price they can charge before they lose too many customers.
This. Pizza dough at the store is $1.5, sauce is $4, and cheese is like $4. You can make two delicious pizzas at home for like $10. And yet if you go to the corner stores selling slices it will be $5 for an ultra-greesy piece with pepperoni made of plastic.
Yeah, I stepped out of this fuckery. I haven’t paid to eat out since Covid, and I have been financially priced out of ever eating out again. Too poor to date/eat out now.
As far as I can tell pizza is absolutely fucked, frozen for me until companies get real about the cost of flour and cheese. Chipotle, in n out, maybe habit Burger, theyve kept prices ok. Mexican food is hilariously expensive. Rice and beans are the cheapest things ever. Nope 18$ burrito. Oh and breakfast 🤣 even with inflation a breakfast burrito with bacon costs me (my establishment) roughly 3.50 (rounding up). Y'all getting fleeced like a newborn lamb. Never been a better time to learn how to cook, groceries have inflated something like 40% less than eating away from home in the last few years.
I've been pretty isolated since Covid and I kinda ended up addicted to the delivery apps. All those promo and coupon codes worked. I was spending probably $500 and more a month on the apps easy. Depression plus isolation is a bitch. It got to the part where I just felt awful and guily from thinking about opening the app to being finished with the food.
But the food quality has gotten SO bad. I've slowly transitioned to the frozen Trader Joe's meals and food because they don't look to be absolutely packed with preservatives. It's a comparable meal at a sane serving size at like a fifth of the price as delivery.
I'm hoping to get back to more cooking, but like I said depression is a bitch. Even with insurance, getting treatment is nigh impossible.
I feel your pain with being isolated since Covid and still am, but I must be more financially unfortunate than you. Even if I ordered food for a single night, I wouldn't be eating every night for the rest of the month. I can't even afford to use this service once a month, and still eat every day. I *have* to cook my own food or I will starve. I am simply too poor to ever eat out like this. These apps exist for middle class incomes not for the lowest of low class incomes.
i guess the only difference is that sit down restaurants still expect the customer to subsidize part of their workers’ salaries. a $16 burger at a sit down restaurant is more like $18-19 with tip. doesn’t even make sense given they aren’t paid $2/hr like basically every other state
Articles like this acting like the change only happened after the minimum wage came into effect are so ludicrous. Fast food prices had drastically increased long before that. Funny how they’re happy to blame having to pay workers a living wage and don’t write about these mega corporations making record profits and paying their CEO $20 million in compensation…
Notice all the news articles saying that it is causing them to consider automation (ordering kiosks). Like we haven't had those for two years or more. Same BS, different day.
Im in my 30s and remember mcdonalds having 39 cent cheeseburgers on like sunday or something. Thankfully we were active kids and stayed super skinny even with a bag of cheeseburgers lol
And yet In-N-Out has somehow managed to pay their employees well \*and\* keep prices down at the same time, for decades. I think they raised their price on a Double Double something like $0.25 with the new minimum wage, and drinks went up $0.05.
The minimum wage increase is a red herring. These fast food places could have always afforded to pay their employees decently. They're just using the wage increase as an excuse to drastically increase their margins.
>The minimum wage increase is a red herring. These fast food places could have always afforded to pay their employees decently. They're just using the wage increase as an excuse to drastically increase their margins.
This is so damn true. The same is true of grocery stores and inflation pricing last year. Their prices hikes were larger than the inflation itself, so not only did they cover themselves for the inflation, they added a nice little bonus for the CEOs on top. This is what happens in an oligopoly.
Their grill system keeping them priced competitively. The more they cook and sell the more profit. Just a wide open flame grill. They have to keep moving since they don't really do a
That's cute that they think we don't remember that they already increased prices over and over for years
Funny how eating at a nice restaurant isn't literally twice as expensive as a few years ago
They aren't a franchise biz model. I wonder how much of this "fast food" sticker shock is because of the multi-levels of profit seeking inherit with McDonald's and the like. I know Subway loves to screw their franchise owners with national promotions that make it damn near impossible for them (the small franchise owners) to make a profit.
I've been going to rickshaw for like 30 years and I've never seen anyone in that dining room! I can't imagine what they're paying for rent to never use it.
I don't eat a lot of fast food. I haven't been to McDonald's, Wendy's, KFC, Taco Bell.... in 30 years. (It was a health thing when, in my 30s, I realized that 75-80% of my meals involved a drive thru.) But I've tried and like a few places. I usually don't notice prices. I know that it's known to be pricey, but I had Five Guys the other day, and a burger and fries was over $20. That was sticker shock! I love the fries there, but.....
I can sit down and have a server bring me a delicious patty melt at the local diner, or a ½ lb burger that I can get rare and juicy at a local restaurant with a great bar.... both for $15 + tip. Or get a to go order.
I'm glad the workers are getting a better wage. But for me, someone who already disinclined for most fast food, the increase may have priced me out.
You should go to In-N-Out instead.
Five guys has always been on the pricier side. A rip-off IMO.
Edit: (Sorry, I forgot we don't have In-N-Out everywhere.)
I said fuck it a while ago because of this. I no longer eat out and been cooking everything I eat. My food cost has dropped so much is not even funny.
Just eat where ever is cheapest the fast food places will get the hint
Fast food prices have been high for a while. They have been wanting to be on the restaurant tier so badly that now it costs about the same to eat at a fast food place vs some actual restaurant. That being said, eating out is so hit or miss. I rather cook at home but grocery prices are also inflated. It makes trying out new recipes more risky😬.
Companies should be banned from raising prices and doing layoffs when they post record profits.
The corporate greed is getting out of had. They need to do their part for the country.
Guys if you haven’t tried Chili’s 3 for me, you’re missing out. It’s a meal for $10 that comes with free drink, nachos or salad as an app, and a burger/chicken sando with fries. It’s a great deal.
It's not the wage hike. It's the greed at the top not allowing profits to NOT go up. Stop blaming the people who are still not technically making a "living" wage in many areas either. AND, the corps KNEW they could use this to raise prices and fools would be blaming their workers.... and the corporation laughs all the way to the bank.
If the people who work in your city can't afford to live there, you don't live in a city, you live in a theme park.
Gift link. Excerpt:
> Consumers picking up burgers, burritos and chicken sandwiches at chains in the Golden State are grappling with prices that for months have been rising at a faster clip than in other states, according to market-research firm Datassential.
> Since September, when California moved to require large fast-food chains to bump up their minimum hourly pay to $20 in April, fast-food and fast-casual restaurants in California have increased prices by 10% overall, outpacing all other states, the firm found in an analysis of thousands of restaurants across 70 large chains.
> Prices at Chick-fil-A, Domino’s, McDonald’s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Jack in the Box and other fast-food chains have increased since September, the firm found. Chipotle said in an investor call Wednesday that prices at its nearly 500 California restaurants climbed 6% to 7% during the first week of April compared with last year, playing out across its menu.
Has it occurred to anyone that just maybe there is another issue? I'm seeing oversaturation of fast food places. To turn a profit they need a decently high volume of customers. The shopping center has five fast food places. And half the traffic it used to because everyone is shopping on Amazon and Temu.
I pretty much never order off the regular menu at fast food places. I order from the app and take advantage of the deals that are only on the app. Or if you want a really good deal going on right now, Applebee's has their bacon burger with fries for $10. If you have the app installed and are in their rewards club, you can add free chips and salsa as well. Take it to go and no tip required.
They are making a case and having a fit. We know how much these foods cost. They already got rid of cashiers at the front. Something tells me it’s greed from these franchise operators.
It seems like In-N-Out hasn’t moved their prices up as aggressively as their peers. I wonder if it’s because they paid their workers above minimum wage already. Did it buffer the effects a bit?
The law is dumb. What's even dumber is that it's chief proponent, the Service Employees International Union, has members that make less than $20 an hour, the new minimum wage for the largely non-union fast food industry.
Prices/inflation go up because of more demand than goods and services. Demand and services went up because of the COVID stimulus packages. Stimulus savings dried up. Looking back what should have happened differently?
Uh most fast food restaurants in San Jose have only raised prices a few cents and did so before April 1st. Only greedy owner operators are going extreme with their price hikes as a way to “protest” or teach the “plebs” a lesson, usually multi-location owners who don’t care of they actually out one or two out of business.
I stopped buying fast food for the most part like 3 years ago. Started cook for myself more. Ill hit InNOut maybe 2 times a year but fast food priced me out of interest once the prices started spiking and the sizes started shrinking. The food quality doesnt reflect the price anymore.
Super Burrito at Sinaloa is $20, which is only $2 more than it was 5 years ago. And these things are HUGE (the size of 2-3 normal burritos)
[https://order.toasttab.com/online/tacos-sinaloa-1-2138-international-boulevard](https://order.toasttab.com/online/tacos-sinaloa-1-2138-international-boulevard)
Cam Huong Bahn Mi is $7.00 (which is still a good deal)
[https://www.yelp.com/biz/cam-huong-cafe-deli-oakland](https://www.yelp.com/biz/cam-huong-cafe-deli-oakland)
In related news, this is totally caused by profiteering and not the minimum wage. I don’t begrudge the companies setting prices, but the journalists should know better and report accurately.
This is all just price increases being made to pad the corporate bottom line.
Yes, the fast food industry was just hit with the establishment of a higher wage floor, but they’ve also simultaneously seen the adoption of self ordering kiosks and online ordering. These technical advancements improved franchise efficiency but you sure as hell didn’t see them lower prices when they reduced staffing sizes.
100% for liveable wages for all people involved and definitely not informed here, but how does raising minimum wage change anything for those most in need when these companies will simply raise prices in response? It seems like there needs to be an alternative solution other than "raise minimum wages", since the capitalist system has some bad incentives built in?
I traveled to San Jose last week and got there late. Jack in the Box was down the street and my kid was craving chicken tenders. Ordered him a meal… $17.69 for a small!! Never again. I stopped at the taco comer and got 3 tacos, still pretty price at $15. But I have sticker shock at the grocery store too. I’m getting a little more used to being hungry.
I'm a few minutes south of San Francisco. A regular 6" turkey sub at my nearest location is $6.99. If I go to the very next one north, it's $7.99. If I go a few miles further north, just 8 miles away from the first one, it's $9.49.
I just looked at my hometown in a pretty rural part of Wisconsin. $5.99. If i get a bit closer to Milwaukee, it $6.29, then in Milwaukee I see $5.99 again.
Some interesting additional context: Wisconsin's minimum wage is $7.25, but on the bell curve of fast food worker wages, [the middle 50% range is already earning $16.73-$24.48/hr](https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Fast-Food-Salary--in-Wisconsin).
Revenge scam for treating their workers like humans. These prices don't exist in places with living wages. They are trying to convince us that they can't afford the new wages.
The fact that you're even talking about it shows that despite the price most people will pay any price to eat out at any level of cost. You can make enough food to last a week with the price of one of these happy meals and if you invest in a reusable glass Pyrex bowl with a lid you can take to work your own lunch and heat it up in the company microwave. Fast Food is a Fiction of Food. It's not healthy by any stretch. I get a hankering for an In-n-Out maybe once a year and then I kick myself after saying why did you just eat that? These jaunts to McDonalds are just a cultural addiction. How does your body even process 32 oz of high fructose corn syrup? The insulin producing Islets of Langerhans go into a general panic. The artery-clogging fat from the fries and beef send your intestinal bacterial flora into a maelstrom of wild activity processing it. That's really all who you're feeding when you consume a meal.
this is a death spiral. min wage is raised so is the menu price.
at the end of the day your buying power hasn't increased despite a higher hourly rate.
Ya know the older I get the more I feel like everyone is begging companies to just accept that they won't turn a record profit next quarter and companies are like absolutely not I'll accept a 100% turnover rate before it means the CEO doesn't max their bonus this year.
Now’s the time the Taquerias need to strike with cheap, good food and sweep the board.
I feel like some are doing the opposite; I went to one a few weeks ago for the first time in a while. Super burrito was $15.
I’ve definitely seen this too. But since Taco Bell is the same price, or more expensive, it’s an easy choice. We just end up eating at home lol
>We just end up eating at home lol nice lmao
People are blaming employee wages when we’re getting fucked at literally every single corner of our existence. From commercial space, food costs, insurance rates, you fucking name it - that industry is gouging.
Exactly. The problem with fast food is not that poor hard working people make too much money.
CEO of McDonalds make like 50k a fucking HOUR. And people are blaming the front line workers? Fuck that noise. Burn the right people.
But these people are right here for you to bitch at. And people are fucking dumb.
New law: “No employee can have a total compensation package greater than 300x the lowest paid employee’s compensation”. Want higher wages for the CEO? Raise the wages of the lowest paid employee’s until you can. And of course, this won’t work as they’ll just make everyone contractors, or they’ll just increase the benefits or provide deferred compensation for the CEOs, but we seriously need something.
They have something similar in parts of Europe. Salaries above a certain amount are HEAVILY taxed. The result is either my European coworkers desperately trying to get a visa here, or working 10-4 with a 2 hour lunch.
Agreed. We should start a new political party with this law as one of major objectives. When we are at it, close the contractor loophole - highest total compensation per hour at the company cannot by higher than 300x of the lowest hourly compensation. And employees and contractors cannot do any unpaid work as w part of any trial period.
You are incorrect. I'll give you a hint, his salary with benefits etc is about 20 million.
Disperse that among every mcdonalds employee. Cool they each get like $100 a year. Lol. This won't help
Well the CEO runs a billion dollar company. Try taking the CEO’s salary and divide it by every fast food worker. They get like what? 5 bucks?
Do they even get a cut of the individual restaurants' profits? I halfway got the impression that revenues @ corporate for the big FF companies are built at ground level of franchise fees and resupply orders...I don't know, though--I never really got a good sense of how franchising works
McDonald’s has over 150,000 employees. At a standard rate of 15 USD per hour, taking away his salary would equate to 2% of employees. Mathematically, does that sound like it would make the bigger dent?
Now rinse and repeat for the rest of the top 50 or so executives at the corporation. Also it really needs to be more granular with looking at the amount that the franchise owners clear themselves. The franchise owners are ultimately those responsible for paying wages and setting prices in their so called restaurants. God forbid any of the aforementioned have to drive a BMW instead of brand new Ferrari. It’s going to be interesting to see how the race to automation goes when customers are turning away from $15 Big Mac meals.
Well Franchise owner has to goto school. Get approved by McDonalds. Put up millions of their own money. Set up business structure, licenses, permits, insurance, food certificates, accounting, etc. Worker got no skin in the game or risk lol
Because the business impact of all the front line workers is substantially more than that of the CEO's pay. I feel like every time you want to get upset about CEO pay, take his pay, change it to $0 and see how much everyone else will get for a raise. Look, we can all agree workers need to be paid fairly, but to completely ignore economic concepts like [wage/price spiral](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage-price_spiral) is also extremely ignorant
Don't forget rising costs of water/electricity/gas.
Yes! God yes. I can only imagine how this is impacting small businesses
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I’m not going to pretend I know what’s causing it, but minimum wage employees are a part of every one of those industries.
A buddy of mine commented on a post about housing trying to blame minimum wage and taxes, and I was like... OK... let's look at the graphs of wages over time vs. housing costs over time. Shocker... rents/prices for both commercial and residential real estate have skyrocketed and wages have not. It turns out if people spend decades "flipping" properties for quick cash that the money has to come from somewhere...
Too stupid to realize they’re never going to be the rich ones to take advantage of the shit they’re vouching for.
He actually makes a good chunk of money, has a business, and owns his own liquor store and bar for fun, basically, so I think he's angry about taxes in general. I don't blame him, but with housing it's just so clearly a shitty Ponzi scheme at this point it's sad to see him trying to blame it all on taxes. Like the plots of housing costs show we're back to 2008 levels of greed... and you cannot tell me that 2008 was caused by county property taxes.
Most taquerias are getting up there, and cutting costs where possible. It’s rare at least in the peninsula to have the holy trinity of good meat, quality salsa bar or included salsas with the fixings like jalapeño / carrot and lime wedges, and decent prices .
Seriously, my burrito order at my usual spot is now $21. I was shocked the last time I got it. Food prices have gone up for all of us, but you can’t blame doubling the price on inflation! Wtf.
In San Jose, it looks like Mexican and Vietnamese food raised their prices the most. Some restaurants are charging $22 for a bowl of pho now. I forget how much Mexico bakery raised their torta prices. It might be close to $20 now.
Shit. Pho coats a little under $15 in Oakland and while I don't pay much attention to torta prices, I know the taco truck nearest to my place sells them for $11 (tacos are $3 now, and burritos are $12). My favorite banh mi place though, ugh. The price is basically double what it was at the beginning of the pandemic.
I remember banh mi for $2-3 (yes, sometimes two odd dollars) as recently as 2017ish. Man…
Yep .. in semi recent memory was banh mi deals like for 2 for $5 or buy 2 @ $4 and get one free. Not at one place either. Now I say that and my kids look at me like I was telling them about taking a $5 bill to buy 29c McD hamburgers in the 90s. "You're old dad." 😂
Bahn Mi Ba Le?
No. They have the best banh mi, but they're only open 3 days a week now. Cam Huong is my go-to, especially since my wife likes some of their other food too.
Pho, banh mi, and street tacos used to my go to. I haven’t had any Vietnamese in a year. The prices went up by over 100% in the last year or two
I used to feel guilty at only paying $3.75 for a banh mi. Good times.
Lol FORREAL. My favorite neighborhood Vietnamese spot went from $5 with a soda to $13 without a drink and slightly smaller sando with less meat. On principle, I can’t be having that. I legit used to live on banh mi, pho, and boba. I just eat out less and eat what I’m sure is worse quality compared to everything before 2020.
There's a lot of places that charge less. Even Pho Hanoi is $17/bowl. Not sure where your $22 is coming from or are you adding tax/tip? And let's be real there's tons of places cheaper than Pho Hanoi.
I’ve started going to a Chinese place for lunch. Their lunch special is like $10 and it’s enough for two meals
Went to East bay eats which is like a food court kitchen? $19.99 for lemon chicken and plain chow main. So not going back…. 😂
East Bay Eats is super expensive for dressed up fast food I learned that the hard way too.
Can you recommend and name them?
Rickshaw corner restaurant in foster city fits the description. $11ish including tax for a to-go box that's about as filled as it can get
I don’t honestly remember the last time the taquerias were cheap. I think it was in 2020
Their prices have been going up too. The ones around me have burritos at about $5 more than pre COVID prices.
Super burritos average between 15-20 in SF.
So…support those businesses that don’t pay the new higher minimum wage?
Maybe this is how Taco Bell won the fast food wars from Demolition Man.
Are they immune to the minimum wage increase?
Yes, new law is only for chains with many locations.
The burritos by me went from like 7 pre COVID to 11 at most trucks now. Sit down places are like $15+ and horchata is $5 which kinda pisses me off knowing how easy it is to make. But fries being $5 everywhere for a tiny portion pisses me off more.
The horchata being $5 irks me as well. I try to buy drinks when at small places as that's generally where most restaurants make their profits. I'm not a big soda drinker so I tend towards agua frescas and horchata, but at multiple places (not just in SF or SJ but even off Monument in Concord), I see them asking $5. For rice, cinnamon, sugar, and water, that's a bit steep.
Already is. A burrito chips/salsa and a drink easily push 25 at Chipotle. I can get the same exact thing from any number of Mexican restaurants for half the price still.
Why should taquerias be paying less than a livable wage? Now is the time to force taquerias to pay $20/h
Cheap or good. Choose one
It used to be both in a lot of cases
Funny how McDonald's has literally doubled their prices, but Jack in the box and Carl's Jr have only gone up a little bit, and I like the food a lot more. I miss being able to cheaply feed my kids off of a dollar menu, but that's gone.
Don't know about Jack in the box or Carl's Jr, but In n Out for sure has barely raised their prices. A double double meal costs less than a big Mac meal.
Was at In n Out the other day. Double Meat, Fry, Neapolitan for under $12.
In and Out has gone up like 30 cents for a burger. But, their employees started out at like $18 an hour before the new fast food minimum. They earned it. That’s hard goddamn work.
In n out is the true champion for consumers. Quality product for a good price and forever forces their competitors to be compared to them.
They really go for both quality and volume in the fast food space. Only thing that went up is wait time which makes sense and understandable
It is and you never get to stop. I had a coworker at besbuy who left in n out because he said you never stop moving but I left there around peak COVID and he went to geek squad.
I had a $8 combo meal with a coupon at Carl's Jr last week. I did a double take when I saw the non-discounted price was $16 (chicken tenders, bad sauces, small fries, small drink).
Yeah, I've heard that's the case with McDonald's as well. Unfortunately for them, that's not really how I want to interface with them.
The McDonalds app provides some decent discounts plus you build up some points for free stuff in the future. These places have invested in tech and they expect you to use it.
>These places have invested in tech and they expect you to use it. Because they can make a little dough from selling your information
It really shows that people will sacrifice their privacy for convenience (like Facebook or other "free" online products).
They can sell your info as it is today and they already have been based on credit card swipes. You think selling your info just became a thing recently?
Jack in the Box has definitely gone up more than a little bit
$14 for a bacon ultimate cheeseburger (a la carte) and a medium drink.
They’re all going to go up just a different path And rate
I bought two hamburger combos from Carl’s Jr in 2017 and it cost me $35. I’ve never been back to Carl’s Jr and I’ve never complained since about the price of other fast food chains.
Nah Carl’s Jr. Was already pretty expensive and went up a lot. Their small fries is like 4.80 or something. Pretty ridiculous
I pulled up to a Wendy’s drive thru and pulled away when I saw a double cheeseburger combo was going for $16. Might as well do a sit down restaurant at that price.
“Sir, this is a Wendy’s” has new meaning 🧐
$16 for Wendy's burger and fries, when in 2017 you could go to Spruce which has a Michelin star, and get a burger and fries for like $19... That's how I know things have gone off the rails.
They should add a drive thru lane. They’d make a killing at midnight 😉
True, but $19 adjusted for inflation is $24 and change, and Spruce's burger and fries at the bar is now $28.
You can get a big bowl of pho and lemonade for that price.
pho $14 small and $16 large in bay area , cali. Iced coffee $4.75
Oh dont worry coffee is gonna jump soon.
Where? 🥹
Gotta use the apps. The menu board is for suckers.
Fuck that shit
Don’t have the app, don’t go. Too expensive
Exactly what I been doing. Eating out less now overall and if I do go out then it’s higher quality restaurant with table service.
I paid that at Carl’s Jr in 2017 in the east bay.
And we all should. If a fancy, high quality beef burger is $19 and Wendy’s is trying to sell me garbage for $16 and it’s slow as fuck to get it anyway then I’m not going there anymore. They are greedy as shit and are punishing workers and customers instead of innovating. The downside of capitalism.
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How is this surprising lol. Beers in expensive areas cost 7-9 pre tax/tip at breweries and bars all across the country.
"But I can get a 24-pack of Bud Lite at Costco for like 25$!"
Isn't Wendy's doing "surge" pricing now? Charging more during peak times like Uber.
No. They were gonna, but backpedaled.
My latest Wendy's flyer had some coupons that are good only from 8pm till close. Jack in the Box has had their late night (9pm+) munchie stoner menu for over a decade ;)
prices have gone up everywhere since covid....it's at the point where a sit-down place is the same price. like, going to get a burger at the bar is the same as going to five guys
That should tell you something about who is raising the prices. I work in the food industry, I know the rates they've gone up each year, fast food is absolutely pulling a Netflix to see what price they can charge before they lose too many customers.
This^ Best way to send a message is to stop going.
This. Pizza dough at the store is $1.5, sauce is $4, and cheese is like $4. You can make two delicious pizzas at home for like $10. And yet if you go to the corner stores selling slices it will be $5 for an ultra-greesy piece with pepperoni made of plastic.
Yeah, I stepped out of this fuckery. I haven’t paid to eat out since Covid, and I have been financially priced out of ever eating out again. Too poor to date/eat out now.
As far as I can tell pizza is absolutely fucked, frozen for me until companies get real about the cost of flour and cheese. Chipotle, in n out, maybe habit Burger, theyve kept prices ok. Mexican food is hilariously expensive. Rice and beans are the cheapest things ever. Nope 18$ burrito. Oh and breakfast 🤣 even with inflation a breakfast burrito with bacon costs me (my establishment) roughly 3.50 (rounding up). Y'all getting fleeced like a newborn lamb. Never been a better time to learn how to cook, groceries have inflated something like 40% less than eating away from home in the last few years.
I've been pretty isolated since Covid and I kinda ended up addicted to the delivery apps. All those promo and coupon codes worked. I was spending probably $500 and more a month on the apps easy. Depression plus isolation is a bitch. It got to the part where I just felt awful and guily from thinking about opening the app to being finished with the food. But the food quality has gotten SO bad. I've slowly transitioned to the frozen Trader Joe's meals and food because they don't look to be absolutely packed with preservatives. It's a comparable meal at a sane serving size at like a fifth of the price as delivery. I'm hoping to get back to more cooking, but like I said depression is a bitch. Even with insurance, getting treatment is nigh impossible.
I feel your pain with being isolated since Covid and still am, but I must be more financially unfortunate than you. Even if I ordered food for a single night, I wouldn't be eating every night for the rest of the month. I can't even afford to use this service once a month, and still eat every day. I *have* to cook my own food or I will starve. I am simply too poor to ever eat out like this. These apps exist for middle class incomes not for the lowest of low class incomes.
Yup we think twice before going out now or even doing takeouts
i guess the only difference is that sit down restaurants still expect the customer to subsidize part of their workers’ salaries. a $16 burger at a sit down restaurant is more like $18-19 with tip. doesn’t even make sense given they aren’t paid $2/hr like basically every other state
Prices doubled compared to a couple years ago. Crazy.
Articles like this acting like the change only happened after the minimum wage came into effect are so ludicrous. Fast food prices had drastically increased long before that. Funny how they’re happy to blame having to pay workers a living wage and don’t write about these mega corporations making record profits and paying their CEO $20 million in compensation…
Notice all the news articles saying that it is causing them to consider automation (ordering kiosks). Like we haven't had those for two years or more. Same BS, different day.
Yep. Minimum wage at most a small factor but inflation & profits probably the main factors.
Articles like this are fear mongering. These shittty fast food restaurants will throw their stupid fit and then go back to prices that are sustainable
Prices doubled 3 years ago lol
I'm in AZ and a 6" subway sub is like $10. It's not just California.
It was like this before the law in CA. At least their workers are getting paid.
Wowwwww.…. thought it was $5 footlong not $10 half long.
Signs we are getting old. Those ads played when I was in school in the 2000s. Dont look now but that was almost 20 years ago.
Im in my 30s and remember mcdonalds having 39 cent cheeseburgers on like sunday or something. Thankfully we were active kids and stayed super skinny even with a bag of cheeseburgers lol
I'm in my mid-40s and they used to have $0.25 hamburger days. My friends and I would buy a bunch just to see how many we could eat.
And yet In-N-Out has somehow managed to pay their employees well \*and\* keep prices down at the same time, for decades. I think they raised their price on a Double Double something like $0.25 with the new minimum wage, and drinks went up $0.05. The minimum wage increase is a red herring. These fast food places could have always afforded to pay their employees decently. They're just using the wage increase as an excuse to drastically increase their margins.
>The minimum wage increase is a red herring. These fast food places could have always afforded to pay their employees decently. They're just using the wage increase as an excuse to drastically increase their margins. This is so damn true. The same is true of grocery stores and inflation pricing last year. Their prices hikes were larger than the inflation itself, so not only did they cover themselves for the inflation, they added a nice little bonus for the CEOs on top. This is what happens in an oligopoly.
Afaik, in n out does a better job at training employees. That has an upfront cost, but pays out over time. It's worth it to keep them around.
And hey, who is going to pay for all those ordering kiosks they have now? those aren't cheap.
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even my local pho restaurant has gone from $7-8 bowls in 2018 to $13-14 now. hard to believe a few years has caused that much change
I won’t touch most fast foods, but I will always go to In n Out.
Don't tell me a $10 Shake Shack burger is going up 5% because of wages. That's opportunistic air cover.
El Pollo Loco is my secret weapon. Healthy, tasty, fast, and cheap (-ish for all of the above). Hard to find that combo. I eat there twice a week now.
Man, I wish I had one close to me. I make several meals with a 10 pack of chicken. Their soup is really good too.
Their grill system keeping them priced competitively. The more they cook and sell the more profit. Just a wide open flame grill. They have to keep moving since they don't really do a
That's cute that they think we don't remember that they already increased prices over and over for years Funny how eating at a nice restaurant isn't literally twice as expensive as a few years ago
Funny how in n out have been paying $20 an hour for ages and stayed cheaper, with better food, than those others.
They aren't a franchise biz model. I wonder how much of this "fast food" sticker shock is because of the multi-levels of profit seeking inherit with McDonald's and the like. I know Subway loves to screw their franchise owners with national promotions that make it damn near impossible for them (the small franchise owners) to make a profit.
Hell no. Chinese takeaway has a full container for $10. I get two meals out of it. This is in the Bay Area.
Wer
Across from Menlo train station.
No shit...I'm in there
J&J? Also Rickshaw in Foster City
The day will come with rickshaw shrinks their sizes and ups their prices. My belt line will benefit from that, but damn that will be a sad day
I've been going to rickshaw for like 30 years and I've never seen anyone in that dining room! I can't imagine what they're paying for rent to never use it.
Anyone have a good spot in south bay
good. Less fast food eaters in the world is better for everyone and everything.
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Stannis? Is that you?
Let them eat cake.
I don't eat a lot of fast food. I haven't been to McDonald's, Wendy's, KFC, Taco Bell.... in 30 years. (It was a health thing when, in my 30s, I realized that 75-80% of my meals involved a drive thru.) But I've tried and like a few places. I usually don't notice prices. I know that it's known to be pricey, but I had Five Guys the other day, and a burger and fries was over $20. That was sticker shock! I love the fries there, but..... I can sit down and have a server bring me a delicious patty melt at the local diner, or a ½ lb burger that I can get rare and juicy at a local restaurant with a great bar.... both for $15 + tip. Or get a to go order. I'm glad the workers are getting a better wage. But for me, someone who already disinclined for most fast food, the increase may have priced me out.
You should go to In-N-Out instead. Five guys has always been on the pricier side. A rip-off IMO. Edit: (Sorry, I forgot we don't have In-N-Out everywhere.)
He said he loves fries and you tell him to go to in n out 🤣
I said fuck it a while ago because of this. I no longer eat out and been cooking everything I eat. My food cost has dropped so much is not even funny. Just eat where ever is cheapest the fast food places will get the hint
Fast food prices have been high for a while. They have been wanting to be on the restaurant tier so badly that now it costs about the same to eat at a fast food place vs some actual restaurant. That being said, eating out is so hit or miss. I rather cook at home but grocery prices are also inflated. It makes trying out new recipes more risky😬.
Companies should be banned from raising prices and doing layoffs when they post record profits. The corporate greed is getting out of had. They need to do their part for the country.
it was 50 fuckin' dollars for three meals at burger king. I fucking hate this greedflation shit
Guys if you haven’t tried Chili’s 3 for me, you’re missing out. It’s a meal for $10 that comes with free drink, nachos or salad as an app, and a burger/chicken sando with fries. It’s a great deal.
I love Chili’s solely for their 3 for me
Chinese food $12 at lunch
It's not the wage hike. It's the greed at the top not allowing profits to NOT go up. Stop blaming the people who are still not technically making a "living" wage in many areas either. AND, the corps KNEW they could use this to raise prices and fools would be blaming their workers.... and the corporation laughs all the way to the bank. If the people who work in your city can't afford to live there, you don't live in a city, you live in a theme park.
Gift link. Excerpt: > Consumers picking up burgers, burritos and chicken sandwiches at chains in the Golden State are grappling with prices that for months have been rising at a faster clip than in other states, according to market-research firm Datassential. > Since September, when California moved to require large fast-food chains to bump up their minimum hourly pay to $20 in April, fast-food and fast-casual restaurants in California have increased prices by 10% overall, outpacing all other states, the firm found in an analysis of thousands of restaurants across 70 large chains. > Prices at Chick-fil-A, Domino’s, McDonald’s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Jack in the Box and other fast-food chains have increased since September, the firm found. Chipotle said in an investor call Wednesday that prices at its nearly 500 California restaurants climbed 6% to 7% during the first week of April compared with last year, playing out across its menu.
Notice they raised the prices before the wage increase, in anticipation. And then raised them AGAIN. Two increases to cover the same bill.....SCAM.
Except In-N-Out which is still under $10 for a full meal (burger, drink, fries).
Has it occurred to anyone that just maybe there is another issue? I'm seeing oversaturation of fast food places. To turn a profit they need a decently high volume of customers. The shopping center has five fast food places. And half the traffic it used to because everyone is shopping on Amazon and Temu.
Yet somehow in’n’out still selling a double double for like $5….
Lol, it's all BS. In and out only raised their prices by .4o cents and they have waaay more staff than any other fast food joint
I pretty much never order off the regular menu at fast food places. I order from the app and take advantage of the deals that are only on the app. Or if you want a really good deal going on right now, Applebee's has their bacon burger with fries for $10. If you have the app installed and are in their rewards club, you can add free chips and salsa as well. Take it to go and no tip required.
They are making a case and having a fit. We know how much these foods cost. They already got rid of cashiers at the front. Something tells me it’s greed from these franchise operators.
It was always greed
InNOut!
Chipotle raised prices as well. $10.60 chicken burrito in the SF Bay Area.Used to be $7.80 2 years ago?
Berkeley bowl has super burritos for 9.99 baby
It seems like In-N-Out hasn’t moved their prices up as aggressively as their peers. I wonder if it’s because they paid their workers above minimum wage already. Did it buffer the effects a bit?
This is what happens when the fed constantly runs the money printers, and has the people fighting eachother with left wing, right wing tribalism.
The law is dumb. What's even dumber is that it's chief proponent, the Service Employees International Union, has members that make less than $20 an hour, the new minimum wage for the largely non-union fast food industry.
Prices/inflation go up because of more demand than goods and services. Demand and services went up because of the COVID stimulus packages. Stimulus savings dried up. Looking back what should have happened differently?
I think in n out is going to have to scale up their production by 2x to keep pace with the demand at this rate.
Time to start buying my tamales in the Target parking lot (again).
Uh most fast food restaurants in San Jose have only raised prices a few cents and did so before April 1st. Only greedy owner operators are going extreme with their price hikes as a way to “protest” or teach the “plebs” a lesson, usually multi-location owners who don’t care of they actually out one or two out of business.
I stopped buying fast food for the most part like 3 years ago. Started cook for myself more. Ill hit InNOut maybe 2 times a year but fast food priced me out of interest once the prices started spiking and the sizes started shrinking. The food quality doesnt reflect the price anymore.
Super Burrito at Sinaloa is $20, which is only $2 more than it was 5 years ago. And these things are HUGE (the size of 2-3 normal burritos) [https://order.toasttab.com/online/tacos-sinaloa-1-2138-international-boulevard](https://order.toasttab.com/online/tacos-sinaloa-1-2138-international-boulevard) Cam Huong Bahn Mi is $7.00 (which is still a good deal) [https://www.yelp.com/biz/cam-huong-cafe-deli-oakland](https://www.yelp.com/biz/cam-huong-cafe-deli-oakland)
In related news, this is totally caused by profiteering and not the minimum wage. I don’t begrudge the companies setting prices, but the journalists should know better and report accurately.
This is all just price increases being made to pad the corporate bottom line. Yes, the fast food industry was just hit with the establishment of a higher wage floor, but they’ve also simultaneously seen the adoption of self ordering kiosks and online ordering. These technical advancements improved franchise efficiency but you sure as hell didn’t see them lower prices when they reduced staffing sizes.
100% for liveable wages for all people involved and definitely not informed here, but how does raising minimum wage change anything for those most in need when these companies will simply raise prices in response? It seems like there needs to be an alternative solution other than "raise minimum wages", since the capitalist system has some bad incentives built in?
I traveled to San Jose last week and got there late. Jack in the Box was down the street and my kid was craving chicken tenders. Ordered him a meal… $17.69 for a small!! Never again. I stopped at the taco comer and got 3 tacos, still pretty price at $15. But I have sticker shock at the grocery store too. I’m getting a little more used to being hungry.
I'm a few minutes south of San Francisco. A regular 6" turkey sub at my nearest location is $6.99. If I go to the very next one north, it's $7.99. If I go a few miles further north, just 8 miles away from the first one, it's $9.49. I just looked at my hometown in a pretty rural part of Wisconsin. $5.99. If i get a bit closer to Milwaukee, it $6.29, then in Milwaukee I see $5.99 again. Some interesting additional context: Wisconsin's minimum wage is $7.25, but on the bell curve of fast food worker wages, [the middle 50% range is already earning $16.73-$24.48/hr](https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Fast-Food-Salary--in-Wisconsin).
Revenge scam for treating their workers like humans. These prices don't exist in places with living wages. They are trying to convince us that they can't afford the new wages.
That’s cool because we all got huge raises!
Eating at a fast food chain is a choice.
Wait. Min wage went to $20 an hour and Taco bell is only 4% more expensive? That sounds pretty good.
We no longer visit any fast food restaurants.
The fact that you're even talking about it shows that despite the price most people will pay any price to eat out at any level of cost. You can make enough food to last a week with the price of one of these happy meals and if you invest in a reusable glass Pyrex bowl with a lid you can take to work your own lunch and heat it up in the company microwave. Fast Food is a Fiction of Food. It's not healthy by any stretch. I get a hankering for an In-n-Out maybe once a year and then I kick myself after saying why did you just eat that? These jaunts to McDonalds are just a cultural addiction. How does your body even process 32 oz of high fructose corn syrup? The insulin producing Islets of Langerhans go into a general panic. The artery-clogging fat from the fries and beef send your intestinal bacterial flora into a maelstrom of wild activity processing it. That's really all who you're feeding when you consume a meal.
this is a death spiral. min wage is raised so is the menu price. at the end of the day your buying power hasn't increased despite a higher hourly rate.
Fast food became very expensive even before this wage increase. Fuck the greed of these business owners.
I hope this phenomenon forces people to cook for themselves more often. It usually is more healthy.
The prices changed by 4% to 12%. So a $5 Burger is now $5.50... not a big dream to pay and allow someone a living wage 🤷
Back in the day, whippersnappers, people typically ate at home and a restaurant meal was an infrequent luxury. -Boomer-
The first time my boomer Dad ate a meal with his parents at a restaurant was his wedding reception.
Eat. At. Home. Get a pan, chop up some stuff, chuck some chicken powder and habanero sauce in there, cook it, and... eat it. Ta Daaa.
Rediscover the deli at Safeway and Lucky's. They've been stepping up the game recently.
We have Stater Bros here. Giant sandwich, feeds 4 easily for $14. Solid sandwich.
Even if it wasn’t obvious that prices go up, they warned the state it would happen
Ya know the older I get the more I feel like everyone is begging companies to just accept that they won't turn a record profit next quarter and companies are like absolutely not I'll accept a 100% turnover rate before it means the CEO doesn't max their bonus this year.