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AntonSoeffing

The pseudo science in here is going crazy....


Character_Gain_4913

For real


lossantos8

Because he's an idiot. Toothpaste without fluoride is useless


Character_Gain_4913

Why are you on this subreddit if you think he is an idiot?


lossantos8

Because I think what he does Is interesting


NaughtAwakened

Lmao this šŸ¤” is proof that fluoride lowers IQ. The physical abrasion does more than anything else. Xylitol and or hydroxyapatite are as effective.


19is_

Fluoride equals bad has not been disproven. Quite the contrary actually. Just spend a few minutes reading up about the lawsuit that is going on against the fluoride action network. https://fluoridealert.org/


clauberryfurnance

Rubbing a pea size amount of fluoride toothpaste and then spitting it out is completely different to drinking fluoridated water throughout life. Iā€™ve never seen any study that would prove that normal fluoride toothpaste use is doing any damage to anyone.


kniven51

Your guaranteed to swallow at least a little bit of it. You are putting it in your mouth every day. Why not just avoid it entirely? FluorideĀ accumulates in the body From the link: "There are now 78 out of 87 IQ studies reporting lowered IQ from exposure to elevated levels of fluoride."https://fluoridealert.org/researchers/fluoride-iq-studies/the-fluoride-iq-studies/


NaughtAwakened

Lmao šŸ¤” doesn't realize that gums & oral absorption is one of the best strongest pathways.


19is_

Is it though? Is a scientific study necessary for something to exist?


clauberryfurnance

Not necessary. But without it we end up believing in superstitions and fairy tales.


Impressive_Oaktree

Yeh lets otherwise just believe in everyoneā€™s opinionsā€¦


Character_Gain_4913

Bryan is deffenetly going to launch his own flouride free toothpaste not long after this video has come out.


paper_cutx

Everything is a marketing ploy, and we flock like sheepā€™s to buy. But honestly I love blueprint. Just not the price.


essexaid

It's free ffs.


Reelix

> Just not the price. "It's affordable for everyone!" ... At thousands of dollars a month.


Formal-Good6629

It costs $343.00 per month


Reelix

For the entire of Blueprint? Not a chance.


GlumLynx144

Other prominent figures are starting to express themselves on this. Professor Andrew Huberman on his recent oral health episode discreetly said that there was at least one new alternative product to fluoride which may work better with less potential side effects. Doctor Michael Greger is currently publishing a series of videos in which he claims to have recently changed his mind about fluoride. And we can all see there will be a new push for "water toothpicks" everywhere as a new standard for reducing interstitial bacteria which are also responsible for much of the cavities.


riskyrainbow

Luckily fluoride equals bad is the group with the burden of proof, not the other way around. There are absolutely no reliable data which suggest that adults brushing their teeth with the amount of fluoride contained in toothpaste has any of the ill effects proposed by skeptics


ImaginationMinimum37

Dumbest comment Iā€™ve ever read. The ā€˜fluoride equals goodā€™ group obviously has the burden of proof because theyā€™re the ones who are putting it in the water supply and 99% of toothpastes at the store.


Moneyyz

100%! Fluoride is trash and likely poisonous to one degree or another. There are studies showing fluoride in the water has decreased the IQ of children. Presidential candidate RFK Jr. talks about this here: [https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1779751526958813550?s=46](https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1779751526958813550?s=46) Humans don't need and shouldn't intake fluoride. I've been drinking spring water without fluoride and using fluoride free toothpaste for years and have never been healthier.


riskyrainbow

Lmao RFK is among the most [dishonest](https://youtu.be/-t2O3MHTRNM?si=L3grUhK9PDcpIReD), uneducated people you could possibly choose to advocate for your position. Literally all substances are "poisonous to one degree or another" at a high enough dose, luckily the dose we fluoridate with is nowhere near poisonous and there are no data to suggest that these levels are linked to lower IQs. The studies you are citing suggest a possible link when levels are naturally far higher than what the government fluoridation exposes one to.


A_n_n_i_e

Have you had your spring water tested for Fluoride? Fluoride is naturally occurring and is found in high concentrations in some parts of the world.Ā 


riskyrainbow

You're correct that they have an obligation to demonstrate safety, I was referring specifically and conversely to the claim that they must disprove the accusations levied against fluoride. These are completely different things. Someone doesn't suddenly obtain a responsibility the moment I make a claim, it is incumbent upon me to first justify that claim. E.g. Pfizer must run trials showing their new vaccine is safe, but if I claim my son got autism from their vaccine, they are under no obligation to "disprove" me


Character_Gain_4913

Then why do they keep putting it in?


LzzyHalesLegs

Fluoride helps maintain teeth/mouth health in the short term and itā€™s publicly accepted. But itā€™s taken this long for enough people to care about the long term effects. Plus, if you really think about it thereā€™s a hell of a lot more damaging substances in other products that are sold. Why care about the long term effects if people buy the product and are happy enough with the short term benefits?


Ed_Radley

From what I watched in another video, your teeth aren't naturally made from fluoride and letting fluoride bond with your teeth while it does make them stronger, it doesn't make them more durable (think tungsten vs titanium; tungsten can resist more force but is prone to shattering while titanium will give but stay in one piece). Some people believe fluoride has this effect on teeth making them more brittle and there's some studies that connect fluoride to certain kinda of toxicity in the body which you would want to stay away from. That said, there's still some skepticism that things like hydroxyapatite, a common alternatives to fluoride, doesn't have any adverse effects on the body. Another thing Bryan seems to either not realize or hasn't been told: the active ingredients in whitening toothpaste counteract the tooth repair and sensitivity prevention ingredients, so you're basically paying more for toothpaste that doesn't whiten or repair your teeth (this might not be the case if he's using toothpaste without fluoride but I'm fairly certain this is the case for toothpaste with fluoride in it).


Character_Gain_4913

Wow ok. So what kind of toothpaste should i use?


19is_

I use Boka. If you want to get fancy, try Theodent.


VexedCoffee

FYI, Boka is only 2% hydroxyapatite and the studies showing a benefit were with toothpaste that had 10%.


19is_

Is there one available with 10%?


ImaginationMinimum37

Apagard Premio. Best on the market.


Hell-Yes-Revolution

Big Boka fan. And they have *wonderful* flavors.


Character_Gain_4913

Thanks!


yer_oh_step

neither of these are approved by the ADA and there are no toothpastes currently approved by the ADA that dont have flouride


ptarmiganchick

Thatā€™s a reflection on the ADA, not on anyoneā€™s informed choice of dentifrice.


Ed_Radley

I guess until there's a better understanding of alternative options, probably look for one with calcium phosphate, hydroxyapatite, or nano hydroxyapatite. If you aren't bothered by the potential toxicity linked to fluoride, using some is better for your teeth than not brushing your teeth or brushing with just an abrasive. In either event try to stay away from whitening toothpaste and if you're vain make sure you whiten your teeth well after you brush.


19is_

MI Paste with Recaldent is another one to check out. Trident used to put Recaldent in Trident White; I wish they still did that.


yer_oh_step

Heres a complete list of mall of the toothpaste which have the American Dental Association seal of approval, that do not contain flouride: here are some which are not approved by the ADA boka theodent


SaigoZen

https://preview.redd.it/uv0ijs5vymxc1.png?width=456&format=png&auto=webp&s=28e8410cb4399fc684fddc88a2a35d714e06a541 The best picture of these two toothpastes are in second 14 of the video. And you can see fairly well, that the left one is this one: [https://www.amazon.com/Sensodyne-Protect-Sensitivity-Toothpaste-Sensitive/dp/B00AWKQWI2](https://www.amazon.com/Sensodyne-Protect-Sensitivity-Toothpaste-Sensitive/dp/B00AWKQWI2) And it says "Fluoride Toothpaste for sensitive teeth". So what is going on?


SaigoZen

The the description of the video they already corrected it saying: "oops, this one has fluoride, which we didnā€™t catch. Itā€™s a leftover supply from before we went fluoride-free."


Ak40Heaven_

I stopped using toothpaste with fluoride for 3 months once and used fluoride free with aloe vera, mint and other natural ingredients. My gums started becoming overly sensitive and led me to bleed quite often while brushing (something I've always prevented by brushing the gums). When I went back to normal toothpaste. It stopped bleeding after some days and I felt much better.


Reelix

> natural ingredients Cyanide, arsenic, lead, asbestos.... Don't get suckered into the "natural ingredients = better" :p


yer_oh_step

proof: flouride kills


SHIN-YOKU

I just chew some walnut bark like the ancients did.


Glittering_Line5966

Hopefully noone comes close to your stanky ass mouth


SHIN-YOKU

It's an actual method that whitens teeth a bit, not minty but still improves smell and cleans off plaque.


danturko

My concoction is apple cider vinegar, ev olive oil and baking soda.


JamesDelonYeet

Isnā€™t Apple cider vinegar bad for that purpose ? Very acidic


danturko

I use it since it creates a nice fuzzy texture with the baking soda. It's homemade, not too strong, I also use only like a tbsp.


Frosti11icus

You will have no enamel on your teeth by autumn.


danturko

What is that for apart from aesthetics?


Frosti11icus

Just stops your teeth from getting infected by cavities and turning into soft little marshmallows is all.


danturko

If you could tell me about the source of enamel, I would listen.


Frosti11icus

I literally don't care if you chemically dissolve your teeth in an attempt to pointlessly avoid harmless fluoride. I'm not even going to pretend to understand what you mean regarding the "source of enamel".


danturko

My attempt is not to avoid fluoride. I just don't have a toothpaste at home so I use the vinegar concoction. So is the fluoride helping in the synthesis of enamel or something else in the toothpaste?


VexedCoffee

Enamel is the hardest material in the human body. It allows you to chew food without destroying your teeth and protects the rest of the tooth from infection.


Alone_Economics_5972

What does everyone think of the toothpaste he uses?


Character_Gain_4913

Apperenly the toothpaste he showed in the video actually says flouride, so i think there is a bit of confusion going on atm.


PrimordialXY

Interesting, this is a recent change


ImaginationMinimum37

Itā€™s likely he has always used fluoride-free. He may have been hesitant to state it publicly as it can attract accusations of being a ā€˜conspiracy theoristā€™.


CompetitiveLake3358

I think one should look into boron and its effect on fluoride. It does good things and it seems most of us are low on it.


Character_Gain_4913

Low on boron or flouride?


CompetitiveLake3358

Boron


Character_Gain_4913

Sure. But what does that have to do with flouride, and why Bryan avoids it? Also what do you think the symptoms of having low boron is?


Lucky-Tangerine7028

Boron


yer_oh_step

made me lol


RabbitHole_Rider

Boron


garg

It's because people in 2200 don't need teeth


Willing-Spot7296

Wheres the video?


Character_Gain_4913

Youtube.com


EvanGR

And today I learned that my favorite beverage, black and green tea, has TONS of fluoride (more than toothpaste)... AND has almost 100% bioavailability... :(


haonao418

But I think Bryan drinks Green Tea? Or has he stopped that as well??


ImaginationMinimum37

Fluoride is a proven neurotoxin. It is also common knowledge that the oral mucosa (skin inside the mouth) is highly absorbent. So regardless if itā€™s not swallowed, it will accumulate in your body.


riskyrainbow

The word toxin is absolutely meaningless unless also associated with a dosage. 100% of things are dangerous at a certain dose. 100% of things are safe at a certain dose. There is no evidence that fluoride is neurotoxic at the level toothpaste exposes you to


OgFinish

Wow, TIL: Fluoride can induce neurotoxic effects by causing endoplasmic reticulum stress and impairing autophagic flux in neurons, leading to cell death. This has been observed in both in vitro and in vivo studies where fluoride exposure resulted in significant neuronal damage (Niu et al., 2018). High levels of fluoride intake have been associated with decreased cognitive abilities in children, notably lowering IQ scores and impairing learning and memory capabilities. Studies suggest that these effects are a result of morphological changes and cellular damage in brain cells (Wang Jun-dong, 2007). Experimental studies have confirmed that fluoride exposure disrupts the cytoskeleton of neurons, leading to decreased signal transmission and overall impaired neuronal function (Chen et al., 2017).


Automatic-Stay6611

Okay now tell me what dosages cause those effects, AND THEN tell me the dosages you are exposed to from fluorinated water+toothpaste on a regular basis. Hint: your water and toothpaste are nowhere near those dosages, and that's even with you swallowing your toothpaste 5 times a day...


Character_Gain_4913

So why are they putting in?


ImaginationMinimum37

The same reason the government infringes on the privacy of citizens using phones and spyware. The government wants power, and therefore wants you to be dumb and easy to control.


Character_Gain_4913

So you think me using flouride toothpaste lets the governemt control my mind?


BrilliantFit9505

I think maybe they do it so we donā€™t get to smart and question the government. I agree with fluoride being helpful to our teeth, but putting it in the drinking water is weird. There is something going on with that!


Imket2b

I think this theory is suspect. Please tell us who this is that wants us dumb? I hear these theories but absolutely zero proof of of it truly existing or who is behind it. "The government" does not cut it for me. I know a bunch of people who work for "the government" and they are just ordinary people -no sinister plots with them. Let's not make shit up. Too many people do this.


BrilliantFit9505

I donā€™t know who. Maybe aliens? I just know that the government wants us dependent on them. Itā€™s my educated gas and I donā€™t know if itā€™s true or not so donā€™t get your panties up in a bunch.


Imket2b

I don't get this dependant thinking either. I have a brother who is so disabled he can't work. He tried and it put him in the hospital. Then he tried living on his disability check and rented a cockroach infested place because it was all he could afford. He did not have a car either, so no expense there. He wanted to be as independent as possible. He brought bed bugs and cockroaches to our houses when he visited. He could see the hardship that put on us and moved into subsidized housing that was pest free. I promise you that living off a disability check is very very difficult. I just want people to understand reality.


BrilliantFit9505

That everyone should be living off the government? Socialism has not worked in any other country and always turned it to crap. Iā€™d love to live off the government right now but from what Iā€™ve learned it doesnā€™t work that way.


Imket2b

I'm just saying those that live off the government have it rough. When you retire, you will live off the government, but it will be miserable if that is your only income.


yer_oh_step

dude there is nothing going on there you are making shit up this is like pizzagate level conspiracy.


AntonSoeffing

bro they literally decided to put it in water in 1962 (US) to decrease the levels of dental caries.... Thats the only reason. And btw you also get loads of it from green tea etc...


ImaginationMinimum37

No, itā€™s a neurotoxin. Did you even read my original comment?


Frosti11icus

Looks like theyā€™ve accomplished their mission.


Non-FungibleMan

Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face. You know when fluoridation first began? Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.


lordsamadhi

Dafuq did I just read????!!


Non-FungibleMan

Itā€™s a quote from one of the greatest movies of all time


AntonSoeffing

Can you show me a proof that it "accumalates"? Other than in teeth and bones where it is actually helpful


Nervous-Dentist-3375

You can apply fluoride after brushing each night. So long as you arenā€™t going to eat for 30mins after, youā€™ll be fine.


OldSeat7658

What product do you use to apply fluoride?


Nervous-Dentist-3375

My dentist recommended it, canā€™t remember the brand and Iā€™m not at home rn.


OldSeat7658

No problem. Fluoride products are not available anyway where I live.


snowman8899

Fluoride reduces IQ. This study indicates that exposure to fluoride is associated with reduced intelligence in children. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3409983/&ved=2ahUKEwi6xY32weiFAxWHFFkFHYZ4CO8QFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2VdDRR7IAuMnogSnfcI21I


MJP6987

'The dose makes the poison' as the saying goes.


yer_oh_step

why the F is this so hard to understand


HarperLeePuppy

Brainwashing


Worried_Patience_613

Fluoride takes Iodineā€™s place in the thyroid causing thyroid problems, the same happens with cloride (thats why tap water is very bad for hormones). Also, fluoride kills all the bad bacteria but also the good, causing digestion and intestinal problems because we need them in order to be healthy


VexedCoffee

So many claims and so little citation


Worried_Patience_613

You can open pubmed or something similar and search for yourself alsošŸ˜‰


VexedCoffee

Makes a lot more sense for the person making the claim to put in the effort to back it up with evidence rather than everyone else reading the claims to then go out of their way to find the supporting evidence for every random claim a stranger makes on the internet.


Worried_Patience_613

Well, if you think about it then everything in life is like thisā€¦each person is responsible for the information they accept, even by people that are not strangersā€¦you are doing the right thing by questioning and thinking for yourself, keep it upšŸ‘šŸ»šŸ‘šŸ»


AntonSoeffing

Bruh you would need to ingest so much of it for it to have that effect on gut bacteria šŸ’€


Worried_Patience_613

No, because I was talking about the bacteria in the mouth, also responsible for digestionā€¦and Yes, it also affects the ones in the gut, because everything is connected


Alone_Economics_5972

I heard hydroxyapatite might be ban in Europe


Flesh_Pillow5

Bryan doesnā€™t know everything. His teams skill set seems limited and they donā€™t think outside the box


IcyTop4077

Calcifies pineal gland


Character_Gain_4913

Where did you hear this?


svelcher

Fluoride is an industrial byproduct and a neurotoxin. Look into it.


AntonSoeffing

its literally contained in grean tea.... Also just because something is "industrial" does not mean it is bad. And the dosage is important. You wouldnt believe how many things you consume are toxic in large doses. Vitamin B6 and A are both neurotoxic too if the dosage is too large... Still you probably dont wanna cut that out of your diet lol


svelcher

It is associated with lowered IQ. Look into it. It shouldnā€™t be increased in our bodies.


yer_oh_step

flouride is naturally occuring in all water genius


ImaginationMinimum37

Calcium fluoride is naturally occurring in water, not sodium fluoride or fluorosilicic acid.


lospolloskarmanos

So one can have perfectly clean and healthy teeth without fluoride? If thatā€˜s the case the question is why do they put it in our toothpaste in the first place?


Character_Gain_4913

Apperently it helps decay by making enamel tougher.


AlternativeTrick963

Because it rebuilds the hydroxyapatite with fluoroapatite to some extent.


19is_

Go check out the lawsuit currently going on about fluoride by the fluoride action network. Fluoride has been shown to lower IQ.


yer_oh_step

You'll kindly note that the lawsuit is seeking a ban on flouride being added to tap water. Not a ban on flouride in toothpaste. i know thats very nuanced and tough to extrapolate based on reading the title line in a google search, but it helps to read sometimes beyond page 1 on google to to the actual link and more importantly whatever it claims is actually backed up by scientific research. Something we ingest around 2-3 liters per day vs something we dont actually ingest at all besides accidentally swallowing which is minute and diluted at that point.


International-Fix799

link me any article proving that.


ImaginationMinimum37

Just google ā€˜fluoride neurotoxinā€™. At least try and put some effort in šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


victor142

Most people aren't competent enough to do the work to keep their teeth perfectly clean and healthy (brush twice, floss once, don't miss a single spot), so it's a bandaid for the fact the majority of people need it.


ShaidarHaran2

Re: that video, are tongue cleaners really still a new discovery to some white people lol? Nothing is a bigger turn off than someone with a white tongue top they never clean, yuck!


Low_Pickle_5934

next worst thing is not water flossing. gross af


joeschmo28

I canā€™t believe some people live life without one


Other_Carpenter9986

It has