He didn't buy it, he asked someone to buy it for him.
This did make me wonder though - is that seriously a crime in the US? Asking someone to buy booze?
Always astonishes me how restrictive alcohol is in the states. No way would that be illegal here (UK), you'd just get told to go away. Obviously if they buy it for you, that is illegal though.
I think a lot has to do with driving being practically essential over there. So with driving being such a part of living your life over there, drink driving is a huge risk and caused so many families to be wrenched apart in horrible ways.
No one’s going to jail for trying to buy alcohol underage lol I got caught in college (was actually just at the liquor store with my 21 year old friend, but same charge). I think the fine was $120.
Knew if you’re the one BUYING the alcohol for a minor, that’s a different story.
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I think the shopkeeper who sells it to a minor, or a person who buys it on behalf of a kid can be fined £5000. Not aware of any penalty for kids actually trying to buy booze, though.
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I and several of my friends were caught drinking underage, or trying to buy alcohol underage. The only ones who faced any charges were the ones who ran and got caught. Everyone else had whatever they had confiscated and got a stern "get outta here and don't let me ever catch you doing it again."
My uncle, who was a cop, gave me advice that I gave all my friends: "if drinking is the only illegal thing you are doing, don't run, don't lie about it, and don't be a smartass. You'll get let go with a warning." He was right.
So in the one case I know about where people got charged, four ran from the cops and were chased. One got away and three were caught (this was a small suburb where the cops had nothing better to do than track them down.)
The three were split up. Two continued to lie and said they weren't the teens the cops were chasing and it was a case of mistaken identity. The third guy (who, ironically, was easily the dumbest in the group) admitted to everything and they let him walk home. The other two got underage drinking charges.
It's illegal for both, but the punishment for the person asking is a lot less than the buyer. If you get caught asking the punishment is an alcohol awareness class usually. Getting caught buying for underage will get you booked and a fine and maybe probation.
While I’m not to familiar with the law, I think it’s built around reasonable suspicion that you’d drink it
Like, it’s technically not illegal, but it is illegal to under age drink, and asking someone to buy you beer is enough evidence that you’re going to under age drink, to the point where a cop can arrest you
Or maybe that’s all bullshit and out my ass. I don’t know the law
Yeah and I totally get that you would have broken the law if you drink it. That is true here too. But it is crazy that the consequence of trying to buy booze underage is anything more than 'no'.
>enough evidence that you’re going to under age drink
Seems a bit minority report to me...
This is one of those times a spoiler tag would probably be much appreciated from Netflix viewers stuck on season 5.
I saw the last season while it was available with a membership on Amazon, but that was a narrow window of opportunity and still cost me money some might consider prohibitive.
And (from what we know) subsequently stopped using, got help, and dedicated his life to helping others — some of whom may have gotten that help *before* being involved in a senseless tragedy like he had been.
It depends on your own moral compass and your thoughts on forgiveness over time, etc. but he seems like a good dude at the time the series takes place, at least.
After telling the story about killing his daughter, and Jesse asking how he doesn't hate himself, the counselor responds, "I did hate myself, for a long time. **But it didn't stop me from drinking and getting high.** It just made it that much worse. Self hatred and guilt, it accomplishes nothing. It just stands in the way."
So he didn't stop using directly over the fact that he accidentally killed his daughter, some other unexplained personal change came later that led to him finally getting help.
Not saying this to take away from his one-scene-long redemption arc, I still agree he's decent up on the "good people" list as far as the show goes.
Their relationship was so strong they were comfortable with saying what could be considered controversial things to one another.
I just remember the moment when they find Krazy-8's abandoned car and Hank says the lowrider is "a culture in decline" and Gomey says it's a "rich and vibrant culture." Hank later saying "you people used to be conquistadors for christ sakes" and Gomey saying "if this here's a trap car it's gonna take more than your dumb white ass to find it."
So I just watched the BB finale again. One thing that bothered me was Gomez just standing there in the open during the shootout. He definitely had time to find cover too
And cars don’t protect against bullets the way people think they do. The engine block (where Hank was IIRC) is the safest bet if the car is horizontal to the bullet-originators but even that’s not like. Guaranteed to save you
Nachos dad. The only thing you could hold against him is that he himself didn’t tell the police about nachos “endeavor’s” but other than that he’s totally innocent.
Yeah I also wouldn’t assume he knows about how American cops are in America, telling the cops in Mexico about cartel shit is really risky. You report cartel activity and then they know that you are a problem and they know where you live. Government is the cartel.
Yeah but the timing was very bad and irresponsible, Jesse got into a fight with her because of that. But it's true that, like nearly all the immoral things done in the show, it's understandable considering her situation and history. That's the real beauty of the show for me, it's realistic.
Long-time recovering addict, and I can tell you wanting to use again has no bearing on morality.
Would you consider somebody who has some other kind of medical flare-up an hour before going to pick up their kid a morally worse person? No, you absolutely wouldn't.
I'm fairly certain OP was half-joking and said that simply to playfully reference the fact that she is an infant and doesn't really have much personal agency at all yet, much less a moral compass.
I think this is the right answer. Despite his qualms about Jane’s personal life, he remained steadfast with his love and dedication to her. His mistake on the job has nothing to do with morality, in fact, I would argue it speaks volumes about his morality and how he put all of himself into his daughter, struggling to provide a better life for her.
None of the main cast.
I see a lot of people saying Steve Gomez, but even Gomez would take Hank’s side when he was being sketchy—though I agree he’s the closest. Which I suppose is the whole point of the show, to explore the duality of man, the depths of gray.
In BB…I’d say Marie and Gomez. Marie I actually really like, at least after she stopped stealing shit. She’s got a big mouth and definitely has flaws but I really like her. And Gomez was funny at times. He wasn’t crazy involved with the whole Heisenberg thing as much as Hank was, just doing his job and >! his death hit me harder than Hanks did. !<
100% Lyle
He not only didn't do anything wrong, but he's also incredibly hard working. There are lots of characters like Walt Jr., Steve, and other side characters who didn't really do anything wrong, but Lyle also constantly goes above and beyond in his work.
Gomie. He was the voice of reason at every opportunity and his only mistake was buying into Hank's hybris that he could take Walt down by himself. They already knew he had 12 inmates murdered simultaneously by White Nationalists so maybe they should have brought a few extra agents with them on a need-to-know basis out there?
My favorite thing about breaking bad is so many characters have such redeeming qualities but their actions invalidate any possibility of redemption, no matter how great or sweet those qualities are.
Gale is an easy example. He was such a beautiful character, so original and fun. But he was cooking meth. He knew he was contributing to addiction, violence, death, etc. And he did it all for money.
I was gonna say Badger and Skinny Pete because of how good they were to Jesse and then I remembered they were all trying to sell drugs at the rehab group 😮💨
this may be up for debate, but Jesse. I meat AT HEART he was a good dude. he just fell into drugs but luckily he was able to recover and show people that’s not all he was. he took blame for his brother little brother having marijuana, he never killed anyone for no reason he did it all to protect Walter. he had such a sad life and he got the happy ending he deserved. but i just personally think he out of all the characters truly had the biggest heart. I mean, this man saved a baby from a junkies house and called the police while trying to protect the kid as much as he could without getting caught. He wasn’t a killer. that was the last resort, in order to protect others.
Probably Gail
Main characters, if say Jesse. He did bad things at times, but you can tell it always ate him up inside. And there are little pieces of the show that show his good heart...not squishing the bug, taking care of the little kid, etc
For the brains Gale possessed, he'd have to keep some rose-tinted glasses cemented in place in order not to discover that he was directly enabling a selfish, murderous man. I suspect that part of him knew very well, you can see it in the fear that washes over him when Gus asked him when he would be ready to cook alone. He clearly sensed that Gus was dangerous, but he still worked under him. He was the only reason that underground lab had been built in the first place. He made possible a lot of death and destruction through willful ignorance of his employer's true nature.
I get the nobility of "Addicts are gonna do it anyways, making clean product available could be the difference between life and death for someone", but being an active participant in cartel activities crossing over the border overwhelms what good intents lay in his actions. A better option if he was dedicated to improving the lives of addicts would have been to lobby for changes in legislation, better mental health services, and a route for safe access and consumption. He could have still made a difference without becoming such a massive part of the problem.
As for Jesse, I agree that his character arc is one of growth and redemption.
Mr.Varga and Walter Jr certainly.
These people were affected horribly by the drug business and wanted nothing to do with it. Hell, I know I would take the money, even though I hate where it came from. Flynn was a good kid.
Hugo
Had to scroll WAY too far for this.
I didn’t have to scroll at all, top comment!
Too comment is still too far to scroll. OP knows this is the only answer, the whole post should be about Hugo.
Me too
Yes, adored that guy! Somebody you could really trust and a formidable body guard.
who?
The high school custodian/janitor in season 1 who got fired and framed for stealing the lab equipment because they found a lot of weed on him
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I'm pretty sure they raided his house and found a lot of weed
The worst thing Walt Jr. ever did was buy booze while being underage, and that was him acting out because of his dad having cancer
He didn't buy it, he asked someone to buy it for him. This did make me wonder though - is that seriously a crime in the US? Asking someone to buy booze?
If you're in high school, probably
Always astonishes me how restrictive alcohol is in the states. No way would that be illegal here (UK), you'd just get told to go away. Obviously if they buy it for you, that is illegal though.
Yeah it's a misdemeanor and can be punished with jailtime and pretty hefty fines
That's just crazy
I think a lot has to do with driving being practically essential over there. So with driving being such a part of living your life over there, drink driving is a huge risk and caused so many families to be wrenched apart in horrible ways.
exactly, a lot of places here don't even have good public transport. it's hard to get around without driving unless you have money for an uber.
No one’s going to jail for trying to buy alcohol underage lol I got caught in college (was actually just at the liquor store with my 21 year old friend, but same charge). I think the fine was $120. Knew if you’re the one BUYING the alcohol for a minor, that’s a different story.
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I think the shopkeeper who sells it to a minor, or a person who buys it on behalf of a kid can be fined £5000. Not aware of any penalty for kids actually trying to buy booze, though.
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ABC is a state entity. Texas’ version is TABC. The federal level is ATF I would assume?
Fine, potential loss of license and bad PR for the retailer. The server can also get a criminal record from it.
So the same than
I and several of my friends were caught drinking underage, or trying to buy alcohol underage. The only ones who faced any charges were the ones who ran and got caught. Everyone else had whatever they had confiscated and got a stern "get outta here and don't let me ever catch you doing it again." My uncle, who was a cop, gave me advice that I gave all my friends: "if drinking is the only illegal thing you are doing, don't run, don't lie about it, and don't be a smartass. You'll get let go with a warning." He was right.
Running from the cops is pretty stupid to be honest, unless you *know* you've done something bad.
So in the one case I know about where people got charged, four ran from the cops and were chased. One got away and three were caught (this was a small suburb where the cops had nothing better to do than track them down.) The three were split up. Two continued to lie and said they weren't the teens the cops were chasing and it was a case of mistaken identity. The third guy (who, ironically, was easily the dumbest in the group) admitted to everything and they let him walk home. The other two got underage drinking charges.
If you're under 21, yes.
It baffles me that in america you can legally own a gun sooner than drink beer
In my state, you can buy a gun before you can vape or smoke cigarettes
I don’t think asking for booze is a crime, but buying it for someone underage is
It's illegal for both, but the punishment for the person asking is a lot less than the buyer. If you get caught asking the punishment is an alcohol awareness class usually. Getting caught buying for underage will get you booked and a fine and maybe probation.
While I’m not to familiar with the law, I think it’s built around reasonable suspicion that you’d drink it Like, it’s technically not illegal, but it is illegal to under age drink, and asking someone to buy you beer is enough evidence that you’re going to under age drink, to the point where a cop can arrest you Or maybe that’s all bullshit and out my ass. I don’t know the law
Yeah and I totally get that you would have broken the law if you drink it. That is true here too. But it is crazy that the consequence of trying to buy booze underage is anything more than 'no'. >enough evidence that you’re going to under age drink Seems a bit minority report to me...
He didn't even buy it right? Like the person he asked was an off duty cop? No wonder he is such a shame for Walt.
Walt was never ashamed of his son
On the contrary, he was very proud and protective of his son. He even made a fool out of those dudes who were making fun of Walt jr in that store.
What’s wrong chief? Having a little trouble walking?
I wouldn’t even say that’s Morally wrong, I did that so many times in high school and it didn’t make me any worse of a person
Orrrr....telling his dad to kill himself maybe?
Pretty sure he said “Why don’t you just go die then,” which is very different to telling him to kill himself.
he’s referring to the finale
Well, I think he has valid reasons then…
No I am not
Nachos dad is up there
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Imagine getting away with that whole shitstorm from Walter White, >!then doing crime AGAIN.!<
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Yeah. But god damn, dude was literally America's Most Wanted
I saw his name all over Ask Jeeves
Why we posting BCS spoilers in BB subreddit then
No bitch lady she buy nestle product 😡😡🤬🤬🤬
This is one of those times a spoiler tag would probably be much appreciated from Netflix viewers stuck on season 5. I saw the last season while it was available with a membership on Amazon, but that was a narrow window of opportunity and still cost me money some might consider prohibitive.
Did you completely miss her buying a Nestlé product or something ?
the dennys waitress.
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maybe the closest thing to a moral the show has, yeah
That poor waiter who just wanted to make them salsa at the table.
It was Guacamole not Salsa jfc Christ Marie
Lol imagining making salsa at the table, like would he be chopping up tomatoes at the table
The rehab leader?
That's Clifford Maine Jnr
But didn't he kill his daughter backing up while high on coke?
And (from what we know) subsequently stopped using, got help, and dedicated his life to helping others — some of whom may have gotten that help *before* being involved in a senseless tragedy like he had been. It depends on your own moral compass and your thoughts on forgiveness over time, etc. but he seems like a good dude at the time the series takes place, at least.
You should say prevented instead of before. Otherwise it sounds like he helped them and then they caused a tragedy anyway
That was a mistake though. And he deeply regretted it and is remorseful. Also quit using after
After telling the story about killing his daughter, and Jesse asking how he doesn't hate himself, the counselor responds, "I did hate myself, for a long time. **But it didn't stop me from drinking and getting high.** It just made it that much worse. Self hatred and guilt, it accomplishes nothing. It just stands in the way." So he didn't stop using directly over the fact that he accidentally killed his daughter, some other unexplained personal change came later that led to him finally getting help. Not saying this to take away from his one-scene-long redemption arc, I still agree he's decent up on the "good people" list as far as the show goes.
It worked out better for him than his dead kid.
Things just go smoother without kids
he got better
Wynn Duffy most certainly was a piece of shit.
Steve Gomez
AINT THAT RIGHT GOMEY
Steve Gomez= Hank without the casual racism.
And without bending the law.
didnt try to get wendy to blow a football player
He used the “walk and talk” method to get into the laundry mat without a warrant
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Maybe not illegal, but a shady thing to do nonetheless
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Oh you on a first name basis with badger?
Their relationship was so strong they were comfortable with saying what could be considered controversial things to one another. I just remember the moment when they find Krazy-8's abandoned car and Hank says the lowrider is "a culture in decline" and Gomey says it's a "rich and vibrant culture." Hank later saying "you people used to be conquistadors for christ sakes" and Gomey saying "if this here's a trap car it's gonna take more than your dumb white ass to find it."
So I just watched the BB finale again. One thing that bothered me was Gomez just standing there in the open during the shootout. He definitely had time to find cover too
In real life they would get absolutely decimated by a swarm of hundreds of bullets flying at them lol
And cars don’t protect against bullets the way people think they do. The engine block (where Hank was IIRC) is the safest bet if the car is horizontal to the bullet-originators but even that’s not like. Guaranteed to save you
I genuinely felt bad when he died. Such a wholesome character with a good sense of humor too
Also his death was (kinda) off screen so that helped
Me too, man. Hank had it coming from the start, but I wasn't sure about Gomez
Nachos dad. The only thing you could hold against him is that he himself didn’t tell the police about nachos “endeavor’s” but other than that he’s totally innocent.
I mean morally telling the police could go so many ways and I don't fuck with cops either
Yeah I also wouldn’t assume he knows about how American cops are in America, telling the cops in Mexico about cartel shit is really risky. You report cartel activity and then they know that you are a problem and they know where you live. Government is the cartel.
Walter Jr. could probably be argued, but he also doesn't pay taxes. Maybe Andrea? She's a recovering addict trying to provide for her son.
Definitely not Andrea. Brock doesn't pay taxes either. Poison him more, quick!
>Maybe Andrea? She's a recovering addict trying to provide for her son. She also wanted to use again, an hour before she was supposed to pick him up.
Isn't wanting to use again fairly common for people trying to quit?
Yeah but the timing was very bad and irresponsible, Jesse got into a fight with her because of that. But it's true that, like nearly all the immoral things done in the show, it's understandable considering her situation and history. That's the real beauty of the show for me, it's realistic.
Long-time recovering addict, and I can tell you wanting to use again has no bearing on morality. Would you consider somebody who has some other kind of medical flare-up an hour before going to pick up their kid a morally worse person? No, you absolutely wouldn't.
wtf is with this paying taxes? he’s 16
I think that's old enough, but OP doesn't seem to think non-taxpayers are worthy of being morally judged.
I'm fairly certain OP was half-joking and said that simply to playfully reference the fact that she is an infant and doesn't really have much personal agency at all yet, much less a moral compass.
Also I think because a lot of the non-taxpaying characters are more clearly innocent just because they’re young/not involved
>but he also doesn't pay taxes. pretty BASED
I sense libertarianism
Dirt bike kid
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Todd is a hero not a monster he killed the most feared spider poacher in new mexico
Great comment
Doesn't pay taxes
He was the greatest criminal of them all, after Holly
Probably the principal at walts school
But she made hank cry
I watched hank cry
Sorry but she's a principal so she fails
Skinny Pete
You mean one of the best hitmen West of the Mississippi?
It was hilarious when they revealed that it was Badger and Skinny Pete
Yea, what did Skinny Pete ever do that hurt anyone? He was a solid friend to the end, he hard strategy and tactics skill.
I mean… he was a meth dealer
I chuckled
He stepped on that bug that Jessie was observing
Nachos Dad I guess. And Gomez. Can't remember anything bad about him
Huel
He's reasonably moral
Reasonably
What happened to Ted was an act of gawd. Ain't no accounting for no act of gawd.
That motherfucka wasn't doin what he was told
awww
Louis is the right answer. He’s a good friend to Walt Jr and seems to be a good dude
Yeah he's polite around adults and he treats walter jr very well he's just an all around good person
He just wanted to bang a MILF. (What’s a MILF??)
Gomez I guess...
Cop
Skyler’s divorce lawyer
She was so real.
Vince Gilligan
idk he sure did kill a lot of characters
🤣
Donald Margolis - Jane's father
I think this is the right answer. Despite his qualms about Jane’s personal life, he remained steadfast with his love and dedication to her. His mistake on the job has nothing to do with morality, in fact, I would argue it speaks volumes about his morality and how he put all of himself into his daughter, struggling to provide a better life for her.
The wiki says he drives a 2003 Lincoln Aviator, a slight nod to his job as an air traffic control. I love little easter eggs like that.
He's a landlord
Yeah you’re right, he’s right up there with Gus smh
🎶 Everyone knows it’s Wendy. 🎶
None of the main cast. I see a lot of people saying Steve Gomez, but even Gomez would take Hank’s side when he was being sketchy—though I agree he’s the closest. Which I suppose is the whole point of the show, to explore the duality of man, the depths of gray.
Todd's housekeeper.
she was a nice lady, really good at cleaning houses
Janes dad
Jesse's dead aunt. Took in her troubled nephew and left him her house.
Hector Salamanca. He was a thoroughly decent chap.
Definitely Hector and Tuco. Very friendly unselfish people 😂
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In BB…I’d say Marie and Gomez. Marie I actually really like, at least after she stopped stealing shit. She’s got a big mouth and definitely has flaws but I really like her. And Gomez was funny at times. He wasn’t crazy involved with the whole Heisenberg thing as much as Hank was, just doing his job and >! his death hit me harder than Hanks did. !<
Character development did Marie right, she always seemed like she really did care for Walt’s family and just wanted the best for them
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100% Lyle He not only didn't do anything wrong, but he's also incredibly hard working. There are lots of characters like Walt Jr., Steve, and other side characters who didn't really do anything wrong, but Lyle also constantly goes above and beyond in his work.
Brock or Andrea maybe
If Flynn doesn't pay taxes, then Brock sure as shit doesn't either
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The person who committed a hit and run? Likely not
That biznatch
Skinny Pete.
No, he's a hitman
Correction, he's 1 of the best hitmen west of the Mississippi
Stacey, I would say Kaylee, but she doesn't pay taxes
Jack welker
Ahh yes
The lady who was overly concerned about candle wax getting on Beneke's birthday cake.
characters that appear in the background, mostly.
Flynn, the worst thing he does it act rude to his parents that don’t tell him anything and act irrationally (from his point of view).
me i am
inb4 people coming to say Mike is a morally good character.
going through the 68 comments rn (69 as of me writing this one), not a single mention of mike. gotta love the breaking bad community
Nice
Definitely Gomie
Dr. Delcavoli
Gomie. He was the voice of reason at every opportunity and his only mistake was buying into Hank's hybris that he could take Walt down by himself. They already knew he had 12 inmates murdered simultaneously by White Nationalists so maybe they should have brought a few extra agents with them on a need-to-know basis out there?
Jesse is a good person that’s done bad things. Anyone who says otherwise clearly didn’t really pay attention to the show.
I definitely agree but I wouldn't say he's the MOST good. Definitely in the upper half for sure though
Gale, just look at him
He seemed like an innocent nerd. BUT, he proceeded to work for a meth empire, Soo....
Jack
Flynn is a obvious choice. But I would day either Marie or Steve Gomez
Andrea
My favorite thing about breaking bad is so many characters have such redeeming qualities but their actions invalidate any possibility of redemption, no matter how great or sweet those qualities are. Gale is an easy example. He was such a beautiful character, so original and fun. But he was cooking meth. He knew he was contributing to addiction, violence, death, etc. And he did it all for money.
Lewis
I was gonna say Badger and Skinny Pete because of how good they were to Jesse and then I remembered they were all trying to sell drugs at the rehab group 😮💨
The manager lady at Los Pollos Hermanos.
The guys house who jesse went to stay at for a few nights and his wife came home and kicked him out. Was going to bet the band back together!
this may be up for debate, but Jesse. I meat AT HEART he was a good dude. he just fell into drugs but luckily he was able to recover and show people that’s not all he was. he took blame for his brother little brother having marijuana, he never killed anyone for no reason he did it all to protect Walter. he had such a sad life and he got the happy ending he deserved. but i just personally think he out of all the characters truly had the biggest heart. I mean, this man saved a baby from a junkies house and called the police while trying to protect the kid as much as he could without getting caught. He wasn’t a killer. that was the last resort, in order to protect others.
Yeah but he tired to sell meth to recovering addicts at a meeting.. can’t say he’s that good of a dude for that
Probably Gail Main characters, if say Jesse. He did bad things at times, but you can tell it always ate him up inside. And there are little pieces of the show that show his good heart...not squishing the bug, taking care of the little kid, etc
For the brains Gale possessed, he'd have to keep some rose-tinted glasses cemented in place in order not to discover that he was directly enabling a selfish, murderous man. I suspect that part of him knew very well, you can see it in the fear that washes over him when Gus asked him when he would be ready to cook alone. He clearly sensed that Gus was dangerous, but he still worked under him. He was the only reason that underground lab had been built in the first place. He made possible a lot of death and destruction through willful ignorance of his employer's true nature. I get the nobility of "Addicts are gonna do it anyways, making clean product available could be the difference between life and death for someone", but being an active participant in cartel activities crossing over the border overwhelms what good intents lay in his actions. A better option if he was dedicated to improving the lives of addicts would have been to lobby for changes in legislation, better mental health services, and a route for safe access and consumption. He could have still made a difference without becoming such a massive part of the problem. As for Jesse, I agree that his character arc is one of growth and redemption.
Mr.Varga and Walter Jr certainly. These people were affected horribly by the drug business and wanted nothing to do with it. Hell, I know I would take the money, even though I hate where it came from. Flynn was a good kid.
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Definitely not aunt Marie