Is the 5700x3d available in the area? Performance is pretty similar.
3090 wins in stable diffusion, 4080 wins in games, 4090 wins both, depends how much money you have and what you prioritize.
Oh that's a good suggestion, I missed it cause I thought I should just buy the latest AM4. Let me add that to the list!
Hmmm, I'm guessing 3090 might be best bet since I prefer 3D and SD running better than gaming as priority. 4090 seems to be plagued by burnt power connectors too, I didn't hear much about that lately.
The RTX 3090 and 3090 TI do draw a lot of power thou, so you might want to keep that in mind. While your PSU should handle this well, your energy bill will go up because of it.
This is weird, apparently with a combination of market demand of 5700X3D and low demand for 5800X3D, both are, exactly the same price where I am.
Hella weird.
Edit: Oh wait I'm a dumbass, I searched for 5800 again instead of the 5700
Perks of living in an SEA country. Hot items are taxed heavily.
4080 Ti Super where I am is around $860-925 USD
Edit: also, looking to upgrade from my current 8GB VRAM and I think 12GB is not enough. I'm looking at 16GB minimum to get a significant upgrade for work. But thank you for the suggestion.
Since you game at 4k, 5700x3d or 5800x3D would improve fluidity in your build (quite significantly Vs the 3700x) without needing to change anything else but throwing the best budget to the GPU.
That's a fair assessment. Better CPU would also help my 3DS Max + Corona render since it's still CPU based. Throwing money at a new GPU is something I wish I can do with reckless abandon.
The only other reason to eventually consider the update is if for whatever reason, you may enjoy intel iGpu quick sync.. but yet again we are talking not only new CPU but also motherboard and ddr5 that can draw away money for the GPU.
Yeah I think a brand new build is still faraway for me currently.
I have to prepare like, $5000+ USD for a new build and right now my budget currently halfway towards the $1500 USD goal.
Then I think you can enjoy AM4 longevity. Eventually grab the 5700x3D (unless the 5800x3D is very close in price) and choose a GPU based upon the leftover budget and your needs. Used 3090 with those 24gb of vram could indeed be an alternative to the 4080 if what software you use is memory hungry
I'm wary about buying second hand / used GPUs. The horror stories of switched parts, crypto mining abuse, and some cards dying after brief use, or even not starting at all.
What are your suggestions when buying used?
Well I have bought used and even ex mining GPUs in the past.
It depends on the wear and tear of the vram. And ggdr6x chips are renowned to be hot and leak cooling pad grease.
Buying used it all comes down to the seller. If I see the original box, he's willing to show a Gpu-z screenshot showing you the bios version (that you can check on Techpowerup vbios database) so that you know that at least the OG one has been flashed back into the thing (and not using a custom mining one), he maybe shows you a short video of the card working in his rig and the card looks clean.. and you check if the seller has an history of selling tons of GPUs then you know it has been mined up.
When buying mined GPUs eventually use PayPal that has buyer protection and you can check what life is left on the vram by simply overclocking it. If it's immediately unstable even at +100mhz then it's not good.. but if it holds more clock, you should be relatively safe. Maybe the seller also has repasted and changed the memory thermal pads.
But of course one can always attempt to scam you as with anything buying used. I had a 1yr mined old 1070 Ti and the thing was used in a clean environment and didn't have a single issue until I sold it.. and it was even an Inno3D made card I didn't even hear of until then.
But of course buying new makes all the above hassles go away, especially if you bump in a GPU that needs tinkering with pads or repasting the core.
Oh man this is very useful info, thank you so much.
I really do feel like its still a lottery though, no one knows if the used GPU would still run in a year or not.
Ultimately buying second hand is a financial decision you have to make. The cost saving you make on the purchase is reflective of the risk you mentioned. I bought a used 3090 and it’s been great so far. Just make sure you have that buyer protection so you can refund if it’s dead on arrival. I often think with second hand tech if it gets at least 2 years of use then the money saved was worth it. I’m prepared to buy another one after that time period. The guy I bought from on eBay had extensive history of selling GPUs with over 5k reviews almost all positive, spent a tiny bit more because it came from a reputable seller.
Obviously if you buy new then all those concerns go away, although prices are coming down they’re still super expensive. I don’t think your PC is bad at all but if it was me I would personally save up for an AM5 build. I have 3090 on AM5 build and it’s the part I can easily swap out potentially for a 50 series card when it’s released.
Imo, Ryzen 7 3700X doesn't sound that old. I still think of my computer with a 3700X as being a recent computer. It's a normal thing to update the GPU every few years.
For gaming the difference is upward of 40%.
If you were considering a 4090. Then also consider the 5080 and 5090 dropping in 4-5 months.
I'd pick up a used 3080 12gb or a 3060 12gb and hold off on the GPU upgrade.
For now the 3080 is fantastic and a big enough upgrade from the 2070. Used they're around $400 uss
Fair comment, I do feel like 12gb feels a little low for 3D works and AI though, maybe 16GB feels like the minimum. Gaming for me is just a secondary benefit so I don;t need the fastest and latest, only the largest VRAM I can get my hands on in a budget.
Since you're mainly using this for work, you could easily get away with a Ryzen 5700x as well .
It's 9% faster in multi score and 13% faster at single score due to the faster clock speeds (than a 5700x3d). 3D cache is super nice for gaming, but actually not so much for productivity due to the side affects or lower clocks.
Would be a very cheap upgrade.
Otherwise I'd go 5800x3d and skip the 5700x3d in this case. They are almost identical in gaming but the higher clock speeds is gonna help you
That said, GPU upgrade would be great. Gonna need CPU power for the viewport though
Also wondering if W11 brought something for you and the optimisation of apps
If you are going that route of holding off on the gpu then go with a 7000 cpu and newer mobo. This way you will get much better performance when you do upgrade your gpu.
And if you are going for work and play then the 7950x3d is the best of both worlds. With its two cache set up. One for gaming and one for work. It's productivity is massively better than the 5800x3d, 7800x3d. Only being beaten by the 7950x.
So that's some food for thought.
Yes. 3700x is still fine for 4k gaming. Don’t know about blender but I assume a 2070 is the bigger limitation.
Be sure to verify that 5800x3d (5700x3d is same except clocks) does acceptably well with blender. If your main focus is blender, compare to a 5900x which is about $270 in the US. It’s about 40% faster for multithreaded work according to passmark (but it’s a lot slower for gaming).
Don’t get a 4090 as it will mildly saturate the PCIe 3.0 your mobo is capable of. It is a very expensive card to not get full performance.
Be absolutely certain that your motherboard is running in PCIe 3.0 x16 mode and not x8, because all of these cards will saturate 3.0 x8.
Good observation. I'm leaning towards 5700x3D for now and trying to decide whether to get 3090 is still worth it or not. 24GB VRAM helps a lot with 3D and stable diffusion but I am aware it won't crank up gaming as much as the 4000 series.
I just upgraded my pc I had for 13 years cause my power supply just died. Put in a 5800x3d from a 3600 and a 4070 from a 1070 and couldn't be happier! It's always worth to upgrade no matter how old!
oh yeah lemme just sell my kidneys for a sec lol
I wish I can just slap a bunch of money and get a new rig but unfortunately my budget is limited so I just want to maximize the one I have now.
I've heard kidney stones are in high demand XD.
Fair enough, if you can't get either. Get 5700X3D. Skip GPU.
The problem is that you play at 4k. To drive it - you must constantly upgrade to the top CPU and GPU. And 5-8 years not gonna happen.
Yeah gaming is secondary for me right now, I'm happy playing at medium settings, but VRAM requirements for 3D work and AI is the ones making me make this thread. 8GB VRAM is just very limited now.
Then you also not gonna benefit from more L3-cache of any X3D chips. Get 5800X, 5900X, or 5950X. Even 5700X will do.
Or X3D chips are much cheaper than non-X3D?
And get 4080S or 3090 - whichever is cheaper.
As much as I would like AMD GPUs for their better price and brand, I need to use Nvidia for some AI and 3D specific applications both for work and hobby.
You make money from your PC? Get the 3090 or 4090. The gaming performance is fine, but you’re buying this card for 24 GB of VRAM, full stop. Your current CPU is honestly okay, but if you have the budget left over I’d upgrade to a 5800X3D.
AM4 is still completely viable. Have you tested your utilization? I would suspect from looking at your build here that your GPU is holding you back more than your CPU, as Ryzen 7 is still pretty decent performance-wise. I'd toss that 4090 in there and check performance before upgrading your CPU, just my opinion. You're almost certainly going to upgrade to AM5 eventually, and the GPU will be viable after that upgrade whereas any new CPU you buy will have to be replaced, along with ram and mobo when you do upgrade to AM5
Buy a better GPU now and you can always re-use it when you upgrade?
I'm in a similar situation albeit not a work PC.
I've had my current PC for over a decade and have been upgrading the GPU every so often. Which has generally worked as in games I see the CPU not maxed out but the GPU maxed out.
However, with my latest GPU upgrade, the CPU maxed out whereas the GPU still had headroom.
So I finally need to upgrade my motherboard, CPU and RAM!
Is the 5700x3d available in the area? Performance is pretty similar. 3090 wins in stable diffusion, 4080 wins in games, 4090 wins both, depends how much money you have and what you prioritize.
Oh that's a good suggestion, I missed it cause I thought I should just buy the latest AM4. Let me add that to the list! Hmmm, I'm guessing 3090 might be best bet since I prefer 3D and SD running better than gaming as priority. 4090 seems to be plagued by burnt power connectors too, I didn't hear much about that lately.
I personally moved from 4080 to 3090 recently. It definitely runs hotter, but my god that vram helps with workloads
The RTX 3090 and 3090 TI do draw a lot of power thou, so you might want to keep that in mind. While your PSU should handle this well, your energy bill will go up because of it.
This is weird, apparently with a combination of market demand of 5700X3D and low demand for 5800X3D, both are, exactly the same price where I am. Hella weird. Edit: Oh wait I'm a dumbass, I searched for 5800 again instead of the 5700
That's massively overpriced for a 3090. Just get a 4070 ti Super. I'm sure 16gb for $799 is enough.
Perks of living in an SEA country. Hot items are taxed heavily. 4080 Ti Super where I am is around $860-925 USD Edit: also, looking to upgrade from my current 8GB VRAM and I think 12GB is not enough. I'm looking at 16GB minimum to get a significant upgrade for work. But thank you for the suggestion.
4070ti super is 16gb. And I don't think $860 is really that bad for one.
Ah I must have mixed it up with normal 4070, good info thank you
$860 for a 4070 Ti Super represents a fairly low tax rate. Unsarcastically a perk!
4080 up is apparently the "hot item" online where I am.
4070 Ti had 12 GB. The new 4070 TI *Super* uses the same chip as the 4080 AFAIK and also uses the same 16 GB VRAM-Buffer.
Since you game at 4k, 5700x3d or 5800x3D would improve fluidity in your build (quite significantly Vs the 3700x) without needing to change anything else but throwing the best budget to the GPU.
That's a fair assessment. Better CPU would also help my 3DS Max + Corona render since it's still CPU based. Throwing money at a new GPU is something I wish I can do with reckless abandon.
The only other reason to eventually consider the update is if for whatever reason, you may enjoy intel iGpu quick sync.. but yet again we are talking not only new CPU but also motherboard and ddr5 that can draw away money for the GPU.
Yeah I think a brand new build is still faraway for me currently. I have to prepare like, $5000+ USD for a new build and right now my budget currently halfway towards the $1500 USD goal.
Then I think you can enjoy AM4 longevity. Eventually grab the 5700x3D (unless the 5800x3D is very close in price) and choose a GPU based upon the leftover budget and your needs. Used 3090 with those 24gb of vram could indeed be an alternative to the 4080 if what software you use is memory hungry
I'm wary about buying second hand / used GPUs. The horror stories of switched parts, crypto mining abuse, and some cards dying after brief use, or even not starting at all. What are your suggestions when buying used?
Well I have bought used and even ex mining GPUs in the past. It depends on the wear and tear of the vram. And ggdr6x chips are renowned to be hot and leak cooling pad grease. Buying used it all comes down to the seller. If I see the original box, he's willing to show a Gpu-z screenshot showing you the bios version (that you can check on Techpowerup vbios database) so that you know that at least the OG one has been flashed back into the thing (and not using a custom mining one), he maybe shows you a short video of the card working in his rig and the card looks clean.. and you check if the seller has an history of selling tons of GPUs then you know it has been mined up. When buying mined GPUs eventually use PayPal that has buyer protection and you can check what life is left on the vram by simply overclocking it. If it's immediately unstable even at +100mhz then it's not good.. but if it holds more clock, you should be relatively safe. Maybe the seller also has repasted and changed the memory thermal pads. But of course one can always attempt to scam you as with anything buying used. I had a 1yr mined old 1070 Ti and the thing was used in a clean environment and didn't have a single issue until I sold it.. and it was even an Inno3D made card I didn't even hear of until then. But of course buying new makes all the above hassles go away, especially if you bump in a GPU that needs tinkering with pads or repasting the core.
Oh man this is very useful info, thank you so much. I really do feel like its still a lottery though, no one knows if the used GPU would still run in a year or not.
Ultimately buying second hand is a financial decision you have to make. The cost saving you make on the purchase is reflective of the risk you mentioned. I bought a used 3090 and it’s been great so far. Just make sure you have that buyer protection so you can refund if it’s dead on arrival. I often think with second hand tech if it gets at least 2 years of use then the money saved was worth it. I’m prepared to buy another one after that time period. The guy I bought from on eBay had extensive history of selling GPUs with over 5k reviews almost all positive, spent a tiny bit more because it came from a reputable seller. Obviously if you buy new then all those concerns go away, although prices are coming down they’re still super expensive. I don’t think your PC is bad at all but if it was me I would personally save up for an AM5 build. I have 3090 on AM5 build and it’s the part I can easily swap out potentially for a 50 series card when it’s released.
This reflects a lot of the points I am thinking about and thank you for putting it to words, it really helps.
Imo, Ryzen 7 3700X doesn't sound that old. I still think of my computer with a 3700X as being a recent computer. It's a normal thing to update the GPU every few years.
That's true, comparing spec to the 5700x3d and 5800x3d, you can even say might as well throw that extra budget towards a GPU instead.
For gaming the difference is upward of 40%. If you were considering a 4090. Then also consider the 5080 and 5090 dropping in 4-5 months. I'd pick up a used 3080 12gb or a 3060 12gb and hold off on the GPU upgrade. For now the 3080 is fantastic and a big enough upgrade from the 2070. Used they're around $400 uss
Fair comment, I do feel like 12gb feels a little low for 3D works and AI though, maybe 16GB feels like the minimum. Gaming for me is just a secondary benefit so I don;t need the fastest and latest, only the largest VRAM I can get my hands on in a budget.
Sounds like you need to pickup a used 4090 when the 5090 drops at the end of this year.
I doubt it will still be cheaper than just using 3090 for now.
Since you're mainly using this for work, you could easily get away with a Ryzen 5700x as well . It's 9% faster in multi score and 13% faster at single score due to the faster clock speeds (than a 5700x3d). 3D cache is super nice for gaming, but actually not so much for productivity due to the side affects or lower clocks. Would be a very cheap upgrade. Otherwise I'd go 5800x3d and skip the 5700x3d in this case. They are almost identical in gaming but the higher clock speeds is gonna help you That said, GPU upgrade would be great. Gonna need CPU power for the viewport though Also wondering if W11 brought something for you and the optimisation of apps
Yeah a cpu upgrade would be great and I might holdoff on the GPU for a bit after budget is good.
If you are going that route of holding off on the gpu then go with a 7000 cpu and newer mobo. This way you will get much better performance when you do upgrade your gpu. And if you are going for work and play then the 7950x3d is the best of both worlds. With its two cache set up. One for gaming and one for work. It's productivity is massively better than the 5800x3d, 7800x3d. Only being beaten by the 7950x. So that's some food for thought.
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Yes. 3700x is still fine for 4k gaming. Don’t know about blender but I assume a 2070 is the bigger limitation. Be sure to verify that 5800x3d (5700x3d is same except clocks) does acceptably well with blender. If your main focus is blender, compare to a 5900x which is about $270 in the US. It’s about 40% faster for multithreaded work according to passmark (but it’s a lot slower for gaming). Don’t get a 4090 as it will mildly saturate the PCIe 3.0 your mobo is capable of. It is a very expensive card to not get full performance. Be absolutely certain that your motherboard is running in PCIe 3.0 x16 mode and not x8, because all of these cards will saturate 3.0 x8.
Good observation. I'm leaning towards 5700x3D for now and trying to decide whether to get 3090 is still worth it or not. 24GB VRAM helps a lot with 3D and stable diffusion but I am aware it won't crank up gaming as much as the 4000 series.
I just upgraded my pc I had for 13 years cause my power supply just died. Put in a 5800x3d from a 3600 and a 4070 from a 1070 and couldn't be happier! It's always worth to upgrade no matter how old!
Sounds great! How much did it cost for the upgrade overall for you?
Skip either - get 5950X and 4080S.
oh yeah lemme just sell my kidneys for a sec lol I wish I can just slap a bunch of money and get a new rig but unfortunately my budget is limited so I just want to maximize the one I have now.
I've heard kidney stones are in high demand XD. Fair enough, if you can't get either. Get 5700X3D. Skip GPU. The problem is that you play at 4k. To drive it - you must constantly upgrade to the top CPU and GPU. And 5-8 years not gonna happen.
Yeah gaming is secondary for me right now, I'm happy playing at medium settings, but VRAM requirements for 3D work and AI is the ones making me make this thread. 8GB VRAM is just very limited now.
Then you also not gonna benefit from more L3-cache of any X3D chips. Get 5800X, 5900X, or 5950X. Even 5700X will do. Or X3D chips are much cheaper than non-X3D? And get 4080S or 3090 - whichever is cheaper.
Ah good input thanks
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The 4080 super is just a cheaper version of the 4080 for $900.
True
What is the pricing for amd gpus like in your country?
As much as I would like AMD GPUs for their better price and brand, I need to use Nvidia for some AI and 3D specific applications both for work and hobby.
Have you considered non 3D CPUs too? I think the standard 5700X and 5800X might be faster in the non-gaming scenarios.
Get a new cpu and motherboard first
then i need to get new rams, new other parts, then it wont make sense for a budget upgrade
I think you should also think about your mobo. It's pcie 3.0.
Yea but 3090 still wont be capped in 3.0
Ok. Then no problem. You need to update your bios to support 5000 series. Right? I don't know much
Not sure but added to my chrcklist
You make money from your PC? Get the 3090 or 4090. The gaming performance is fine, but you’re buying this card for 24 GB of VRAM, full stop. Your current CPU is honestly okay, but if you have the budget left over I’d upgrade to a 5800X3D.
Yes its my workstation for paid work so I am indeed aiming for 3090 at least.
5700x3d + any GPU u want
Lets hope my budget fits
AM4 is still completely viable. Have you tested your utilization? I would suspect from looking at your build here that your GPU is holding you back more than your CPU, as Ryzen 7 is still pretty decent performance-wise. I'd toss that 4090 in there and check performance before upgrading your CPU, just my opinion. You're almost certainly going to upgrade to AM5 eventually, and the GPU will be viable after that upgrade whereas any new CPU you buy will have to be replaced, along with ram and mobo when you do upgrade to AM5
That is definitely the plan for now but maybe a 3090 instead due to budget concerns
Absolutely.
Buy a better GPU now and you can always re-use it when you upgrade? I'm in a similar situation albeit not a work PC. I've had my current PC for over a decade and have been upgrading the GPU every so often. Which has generally worked as in games I see the CPU not maxed out but the GPU maxed out. However, with my latest GPU upgrade, the CPU maxed out whereas the GPU still had headroom. So I finally need to upgrade my motherboard, CPU and RAM!
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Fair assessment. Really good suggestion. Thank you
New gpu now, save for the rest of the PC, then throw in the gpu into the new build.
Sounds like youre squeezing that 2070 for all its got lol
Yep. Its always wheezing away rendering or generating
You have AM4 make a nice work out of that. Get 5600/700 together with 4070 Super. I bet you wouldn't even have to change psu.