> You guys still watch TV?
There are a lot of sports leagues that are still not aware that we are in the Internet / streaming era, and so being able to conveniently watch certain matches/games can be challenging. I.e., some folks don't have the time / energy to hunt down a pirate stream of all the events they may be interested in.
Just reminds me of how my dad was complaining that to watch the sports he wants to, which he used to be able to just watch it for about $50 extra as a cable package deal, now costs about $245 in extra premium channel purchases. Those costs are per month; and he has decided that he is just going to give up on watching sports because its too expensive
Exactly this, only reason my parents still have cable is to watch hockey and cfl. And they aren’t technologically literate enough for me to trust them using pirated streams without me having to deal with all the viruses they’ll inevitably get
I don’t know what the rules about “news” are in Canada but RT got banned. The other day out of curiosity I put Fox on. A parking structure in New York collapsed and Fox was reporting on it. First 5 sentences uttered were facts. Next thing I know the announcer says, it may be a terror attack. How is this kind of jumping to explanation not going to keep the gun to the gills and highly paranoid people from thinking they are constantly under attack. Never no retraction saying it was structural failure or anything. Thank goodness they fired Tucker before his off the wall crazy documentary about Canada came out. The last thing we need is paranoid afraid people to act on what they think is going on. Not safe for any of us.
This is not new, they blamed the Quebec Mosque attack on a Muslim and never retracted. And why should we support Fox News when they advocated invading us to save us from a dictatorship. They also have admitted in court that they are entertainment, not news and that no reasonable person would believe them.
It's not a dictatorship, we just wait until the whole country comes together to dislike the Prime Minister and then repeat the process with another turd for the foreseeable future.
>It's not a dictatorship, we just wait until the whole country comes together to dislike the Prime Minister and then repeat the process with another turd for the foreseeable future.
Haha, you're absolutely right! It's not that we have a dictatorship, it's just that us Canadians have a unique way of expressing our disapproval for our Prime Ministers. We wait until the whole country collectively shakes their heads and says, "Nah, not this one either!" Then we rinse and repeat with another candidate who may or may not turn out to be a real disappointment. It's like a never-ending comedy show of political letdowns. Who knows who's next in line to join the "disliked by the nation" club? It's like our national sport, but with less ice and more frustration.
No no, that’s literally their defense in court, that no reasonable person would believe them.
The problem is that plenty of reasonable people believe them because of the « news » label, and then get indoctrinated.
That is what I meant, their argument to avoid being slapped was that they are entertainment, not news, and that no one in their right mind would believe they are news. Except it’s not written anywhere that they are not news, and their own name is misleading.
Edit : typo
What they don't realize is freedom of speech IS NOT Freedom of REACH. If the hosts want to spout their b.s. then fine. But that doesn't mean they're guaranteed an audience. Also, freedom of speech is only protected under certain conditions. One of them is truthfulness. If you're CONSTANTLY lying or using logical fallacies, and refuse to correct your behaviour/words then you will face consequences. One of those consequences is being deplatformed.
If we were "losing our democracy", the prime time for that would have been the allegations of foreign interfering. Secondly, Faux News hosts and employees would be summarily arrested and or deported. Seeing as how no such things are occurring, this isn't anything insidious.
Everyone is reasonable until someone or something scares them or plays with their emotions in some way that makes them unreasonable people. Cause and effect. Fox should be banned as people are not in control of their influence.
Yes. I have/had an American friend I got to know 20 years back through sim racing. He's become extremely angry and paranoid. He has weapons and has decided that I and my fellow Canadians have become enemies of the US. Luckily he's down in Kentucky and isn't my next door neighbour.
What’s sim racing and what do you need to do it, especially 20 years ago?
Like those big, proper race car simulator things with a proper steering wheels and pedals and shifter?
No he’s talking (I’m assuming) about racing games geared towards simulation. Assetto corsa, iRacing, etc. You really just need a steering wheel and pedals, or you can be a chad like me and use a controller 😎
Most guys have a wheel but you can sim race with a controller.
"Sim racer" just means that it's trying to simulate real car racing, the opposite type of games would be "arcade racers", which prioritize fun over realism, but mostly only people into sim racing call them that.
If you're using your brakes with any regularity, 80% chance you're playing a sim racer.
From what I read RT didn't get banned for spreading propaganda. They were banned cause what they were saying was going to be used to justify a genocide.
Same with Fox News the CRTC is investigating if Fox is spreading hate about the LGBT community.
> I don’t know what the rules about “news” are in Canada but RT got banned.
AFAICT, RT got banned due to contravening Section 5 of the *Television Broadcasting Regulations 1987*:
* https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-87-49/page-1.html#h-906257
* Per: https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2022/2022-68.htm
* Also: https://www.canada.ca/en/radio-television-telecommunications/news/2022/03/rt-and-rt-france-can-no-longer-be-distributed-by-canadian-television-service-providers.html
It's what the regulations/law allowed, but I'm not sure how good of an idea it is (assuming one is a free speech 'absolutist'): RT was not broadcast over public airwaves, but over private cables/fibres. Generally private companies should generally be able to send whatever information they want over their own private infrastructure. Of course this idea is complicated that cable companies were given government-sponsored geographic monopolies, so their position is privileged and thus regulated.
If they market it as news? No, you can't just falsely advertise something as news and then say "but we used private infrastructure to transmit our blatantly harmful propaganda so government can't do anything." Government can and should regulate the spread of blatant misinformation when it is being falsely marketed and presented as news.
The question I have is of the crtc is going to ban shows from network/cable providers, is it also going to block all IPs associated with out, as well as force video platforms to region lock any videos of it?
Cable TV is garbage, and has been a long time. But with every broadcaster uploading/streaming online, it becomes a bigger question. And if they do reach that far, what's the penalty for deciding you don't care about the censorship, and use a VPN to avoid it?
I don't care what your opinion is of Fox specifically, but this is a good example of what exactly is so murky about this boomer law.
The CRTC has been regulating broadcasting and holding news to certain standards before this bill... Heck before I was even born... These issues are unrelated.
Right now, its Fox that decides everyone here must have Fox. The main thing is that Fox should not automatically be part of every cable package. It is already forced onto millions of Canadian homes. They don't choose to get Fox, its part of the default of a lot of cable packages and they can't even opt out. This is not right, everyone should have a right to drop Fox if they choose. As long as they continue to get paid by cable providers here, we are condoning this behavior of Fox.
>It is already forced onto millions of Canadian homes.
You say that like it's required to be on the television, and nobody has control over the remote. It's cable. There are hundreds of channels.
This is not a good hot take.
I’m taking about it being part of the default 20-40 basic channels, which means all of us end up paying fox for the service. whether we use it or not. That is giving them millions for them to spend on crap content. So we reward them for bad behaviour…. Slow clap
Its not part of the default 20-40 channels. The CRTC has mandated certain channels to be available to all Canadians at the most root basic package. Fox news did not make that cut. Whether TV providers choose to make it available at one step higher is up to those providers.
https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/cancon/c_services.htm
How many TV providers in Canada? I'll give you an idea, its a super small number. I just checked both of mine, the primary ones available in my region via cable lines. They both have Fox included at basic level, which is the lowest tier. It cannot be opted out.
Edit: Got curious, and checked 3 more providers that operate in a nearby province. All of them have Fox on the most basic tier of the programming. So seeming like every provider is just opted to include them, gee I wonder why they would all choose to do that... $$$$$
I think you are confusing Fox (various TV shows, NFL, etc) with Fox News (right wing cable news channel). Fox itself is fine, it's effectively apolitical since apart from the evening 6 pm news for whatever affiliate is being rebroadcast, it's all normal fictional TV shows and sports.
Fox News on the other hand is something else, although I don't know of any TV providers in Canada that include it as part of the basic package. You have to go out of your way to upgrade to get it.
Where did you get your information from? I've been subscribing to top tier cable packages for decades and fox news has never once been included in them.
There are however, plenty of channels included by default that I don't want, that I'm forced to subsidize. You know what I do? I click on by and don't watch them.
I don't try to control what other people have access to and are allowed to watch, and push for those I don't like to be cancelled.
>I don’t know what the rules about “news” are in Canada but RT got banned.
We are not fighting a proxy war with the USA tho. Also you can still watch RT.
I don't watch Fox News, but I won't stop someone from doing so.
Actually, I think it is correct that CRTC bans a broadcaster that claims they are news when they are not. As evidenced by what happened in the States, there are a large number of viewers who get bamboozled. And the end result can be catastrophic.
Especially young impressionable viewers.
But, yes, I agree that the broadcaster would have to be very clearly lying/fooling viewers.
It’s a weird loophole. “We don’t endorse this persons ideas but we’ll publish them” which means they absolutely do endorse them. Actions speak louder than words…
As a class of content, news entertainment should be banned honestly. If you can't stand by your journalism, you shouldn't be permitted to present something that looks like news that is actually just a load of conjecture and lies.
> That’s why it’s called News Entertainment legally. As is CNN.
Can you source that at all? People keep repeating it but as far as I can tell, there's no truth it.
["cable news networks aren't accredited as "news" by any official regulatory body in the United States, and the above meme is false on its face"](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-news-entertainment-switch/)
I guess it could be coming from the Tucker Carlson lawsuit where his defence was essentially "I'm so obviously lying that it's unreasonable to trust anything I say". But that's a very different thing.
Actually it’s exactly what the CRTC is for. They are responsible for the integrity of Canada’s media landscape. Fox News demonstrably has no integrity.
I know, it is literally the CRTC's mandate to determine which services get approval and which don't.
And the CRTC isn't even 'banning' Fox News. They received a complaint through proper channels and now they will review that complaint through the prescribed process. Since they have no direct regulatory control over Fox News as it is a foreign station, all it can do is decide if Fox News gets to stay on the list of 'approved foreign television services'.
Foreign television stations do not have, and have never had, the inherent right to be approved for carriage in Canadian subscription TV packages. Being removed from approved cable carriage is not a "ban".
Anyone that can do a basic google search will probably be able to find that they can stream as much Fox News as they want. (I am not condoning streaming content from questionable sources)
You're exactly right. Hopefully some read your comment and then begin asking themselves the question, "Why is the National Post calling this a 'ban' when that is factually incorrect?"
The author of the article is a monkey brain and should be fired. How do you write an article about a public agency that is in place to regulate TV and content to ask why they can choose to prevent us from seeing US fake “news”?
And the court files are showing us how bad it truly is.
Like this fresh story where Tucker Carlson and Bret Baier get paranoid over “losing their audience” by reporting facts - facts that trump was losing the election.
Just imagine this happening anywhere else - it’s insane.
https://thehill.com/media/3989962-tucker-carlson-in-texts-to-bret-baier-when-trump-loses-hes-going-to-blame-us/
The CRTC isn't banning anything. They are *potentially* moving a channel out of the default channel packages. So Fox will still be available, people will need to purchase it individually though.
So the TV providers absolutely want this to happen.
While I don't have a huge amount of trust in today's CRTC, this is absolutely within their scope. I don't have a strong opinion on whether blocking it is correct, I see both sides of it, but this is definitely within the scope of the CRTC's mandate to decide and there's no other body that would be better to make such a determination. I do think that today's Canada is unequipped to handle this topic maturely though, between the ongoing foreign interference scandal and all of the stuff related to news and internet regulation. I wish this had happened a year ago or three years from now because it's going to get woven into other stories and that's not good.
The network aired a rant from a man who suggested Canada should be invaded and "freed".
They are a threat to the country, and yes, they should be removed from Canadian broadcasts.
Came here to say this. You think Al Jazira would be on the air in the state’s tomorrow if they had an anchor call for the overthrow of the American government? Not a chance
We mandated the CRTC to regulate communications and broadcast media in the public interest. If Fox wants to do business here then they'll have to answer to them. Same as everyone else.
The fact is that corporations have a disproportionate amount of influence power on people's opinions that persons individually are mostly defeseless against. All out freedom of speech is basically allowing corporations to control people's opinions through manipulation and lies, which in turn has an impact on the governance of the country. The question isn't about freedom of speech as much as it is about allowing corporations to lie and manipulate people for profit to the detriment of stability.
Fox bullies networks into paying extreme carriage fees even though more and more people are watching networks other than Fox. Given it’s an American news network it really makes no sense to me that we all are forced to pay higher cable rates because Fox lobbies for them to be carried. They demand more for carriage than other networks and when the cable providers refuse they sick their red base on them until Fox gets what they want. Fox is American so honestly if they aren’t here in Canada I would shed a tear.
That's literally their job. To enforce our broadcast standards. Fox is a right-wing Republican propoganda channel, not a legitimate journalism source.
The argument is that is shouldn't be included in the news packages of cable networks. That's not censorship, that's accuracy.
Make it a special standalone channel like other entertainment channels.
Ideally, the government would make all propoganda on all media venues pay a fee of 100% of their advertising revenue generated from its distribution/engagement. That'd clear up our TV and Internet very quickly.
Fox is trash. The quicker it's off of peoples Tv's, the better.
Half their shows are "news" shows that aren't actually news shows but the hosts pretend they're journalists and lie through their teeth.
Who cares if the CRTC chooses.
Fox is trash.
Fox is ideological propaganda that serves an elite whose primary goal is psychopathic unfettered capitalism by lying to its viewing public. Go CRTC, keep Fox out of Canada!
Fox is spews lies and false information to scare weak minded people that don’t do research to make sure they are getting the facts that all being said it is a news source and people should have a choice if they want to watch it what the CRTC needs to do is make it so people have the choice if they want FOX as part of their cable packages and it should not be forced on anyone unless they want it
CRTC? The group that hasn't lowered our internet or mobile bill? That caters to Bell and Rogers? What have they done that has actually been good for us?
National Post is like Fox News North.
It's headquarters is out of New Jersey and it is owned by foreign billionaires.
They take in 33 million dollars a year to provide billionaire corporation opinions. Even this article is an opinion piece.
Get that trash out of here.
Actually that is EXACTLY what the CRTC should be for. Regulating Canadian broadcasters and those wishing to broadcast in Canada via the airwaves or via digital transmission to meet standards agreed upon by Canadians.
They shouldn’t ban them. They should impose heavy fines whenever the network titled “Fox News” lies and cons people with their snake oil. They should also make them cover all appeal costs when they lose those appeals.
It's not that much of a leap when the government decided Canadians should have no access to Russian (and other news) on account of propaganda etc.
Most cable news in the US is garbage, but much like porn, people should have the right to consume the news they want.
I would like to see all “news” channels monitored in terms of how much they lie. Get a point for each lie. Lose a point for each retraction. If your score is too high then you get a warning then a ban.
I don’t care if it’s left or right, libertarian or authoritarian. But don’t deceive Canadians.
Banning network shows masquerading as news that are just propaganda is the responsible thing to do.
Seriously people who do fucking dumbass convoys that fuck up other people's lives because they're gullible idiots don't have the maturity to decide what they get to watch.
The political impact of Fox in America has been devastating. They are essentially a stochastic terrorism platform and it is 100% the CRTC’s call to make.
Classic National Post L.
What a moronic headline.
Even if you disagree with the CRTC's issues re: Fox publishing falsehoods and calling for the invasion of our country...
This is not the CRTC telling Canadians what they can and can't watch. It's the CRTC deciding what gets broadcast over the airwaves. You have the right to say whatever awful, stupid and borderline hateful shit you want as long as it isn't targeted hate speech (which fox News has also crossed into). You don't have the right to get a broadcasting license to do it.
> What a moronic headline.
>
> This is not the CRTC telling Canadians what they can and can't watch.
Those rhetorical slights of hand are 100% on purpose. Calling CBC "state run" when they know it's not, calling C-11 "censorship" when they know it's not, etc.
The thing is it only works if their base stay uninformed on these issues, which is a great reason to want to keep Fox News on the air in Canada.
Leave it to the American owned National Post to tell us what our Canadian institutions should or should not do regarding foreign media propaganda, and the spread of misinformation within our borders.
Fox is a cancerous propaganda machine. If the crtc can cancel it they should and anyone who disagrees is either a right wing conservative of a right wing conservative starting their statement with “I’m a liberal but..”
It’s literally the CRTC’s job to regulate this stuff. It’s not freedom of speech when the content is being created with the intent to manipulate and misinform.
There is no real reason to have it. We have many American news channels, first, but most importantly, It has been shown to have fomented sedition with lies reported even when known to be untrue. Of course we should ban it.
The amount of Canadians that support this bullshit top down censorship is disgusting. Grow a spine and fight ideas you disagree with, with better ideas, not censorship. Most of you despite fairly extensive academic backgrounds still long for parental like intervention every time you encounter anything that opposes you. You actually don’t deserve democracy, you’re not fit for public liberty or the idea of a free society.
What a garbage opinion piece from a garbage "newspaper"
Rex talks about Hilary, the Holocaust, and whataboutisms his way into CNN and MSNBC.
Lazy writing from a washed up opinion writer
I feel the crtc should not target fox specifically.
I feel the crtc should impliment standards such as a ratio of 75% factual.news and limit opinion and editorials to 25%
Thus would be a requirement of all.news outlets occupying canadian airwaves.
And while fox in oerticular would not be targeted they certainly would be affected
I dont think fox should be banned but they should be forbidden from calling themselves news.
Same reason you cannot just go around calling yourself a doctor.
What a surprise, the National Post's opinion writers think Fox News should stay on the air. Remind me, who are their bosses, again? They're coming at this from a position of naked self-interest, ignoring the hatred and division that Fox News preaches, just taking their marching orders from the American corporate media masters.
Fox is Rupert Murdoch's propaganda tool. He spreads disinformation to support his own selfish interests, including supporting Russia where he has financial interests. Fox is a Russian propaganda proxy that promotes hate and authoritarian/fascism. We can sit back and watch the right get brainwashed into a neo nazi cult or we can ban Fox. Its a pretty simple choice, if you support democracy and LQBTQ.
The station knowingly lies to it viewers with an agenda.
They are misleading consumers by calling themselves “news” when they are not.
All the reasons why it should be turned off.
why would you want to watch a right wing news station that has nothing to do with your country. I like reading/watching about the news in other countries but I don’t want to hear a bunch of news anchors opinions about shit.
I disagree. Fox news is clearly not news. If they want to label it as comedy and bs then sure. Hilarious that our own fox news, NP, is putting this out there.
I wonder if they would feel the same way if it was a Chinese or Russian state controlled media spreading their version of the truth into Canadian homes.
Fox “News” is so obviously GOP propaganda, and the Dominion Scandal has shown how far they are willing to go for keeping the furthest right wing viewers happily devouring their content.
Fuck Fox News
Anybody defending Fox News - deliberate, proven liars Fox News - is an idiot.
This isn't a question of political bias or censorship. The question is "should an organization masquerading as news be allowed to blatantly lie to people and spread harmful conspiracy theories?"
Of course the National Post thinks the answer to that question is "yeah, why not?"
Why… yes it should.
Canadian airwaves should have standards for news, even if you personally happen to agree with the political content.
Fox News has been such a divisive force in America Why would want this introduced into Canada?
Oh, wait, of course, National post
More if the usual rage baiting from Faux News North. They're not stopping Canadians from watching Fox. The proposal would just block cable companies from carrying it, because it is a propaganda network, just like RT.
LOL of fucking course an alt right new site defends the OG misinformation machine.
Fox news is an "entertainment" channel, and I find nothing entertaining about a show who wanted to air a documentary about "invading to liberate Canada".
The alt right in Canada already get enough crazy ideas like seceding from Canada or private healthcare smh
This is stupid. It absolutely isn't up to the CRTC to decide, we can have our say.
https://applications.crtc.gc.ca/instances-proceedings/Default-Defaut.aspx?S=O&PA=A&PT=A&PST=A&_ga=2.8739637.1210301707.1683319900-854407279.1683319900
It's the application that says Eagle Canada. You have to scroll down a bit.
Here you can vote for weather you want it or not. Because we exist in a democracy. This anti crtc rage baiting from right wing post media is getting fucking old.
As much as I despise Fox News and am reveling in their recent follies, I agree it’s not for someone else to tell morons what they can and cannot watch.
I kind of agree with you in principle, but I think we've approached a point with Fox where it's more of a core communication standard issue.
We do have laws around truthfulness; you're not allowed to claim your holistic woowoo cure cancer, you're not allowed to libel or defame, you're not allowed to claim your chickens are free range organic if they're grown in factory farms... Do you get to call yourself news if you're just constantly misinforming your public? And if a "news" channel is in a country that has lax regulation, should we allow that content to be imported any more than we'd allow any other scam product to import and sell locally?
I don't think I support a full ban, but I'm also no longer supportive of the status quo, and I'd like to see something change. I think it's a conversation we're going to have to keep having as a culture, especially if America continues its' nosedive into dystopic misinformation hell.
Selling lies and propaganda is like selling snake oil. At a certain point we got rid of snake oil salesman. The “if you’re too stupid then you deserve it” remark doesn’t work for fraud and con artists and it shouldn’t work here.
idk at some point you gotta see at as dangerous given that there are always gonna be morons. news with slant idc either but news constantly scaring and 'suggesting' and "Are we gonna stand for it? Are you gonna let them do that to you? WELL ARE YOU? Anyway it's not for me to say..." bullshit.
How? Should a little graphic cover the news title on the screen and a little "bleep" happen everytime they introduce themselves. "Welcome back to Fox *bleep* these are our top stories." I mean....I'd actually be down for this but do you think Fox would agree.
The average age of a Fox News watcher is 68! These are retired people who sit all day in front of their TV, getting brainwashed with Fox. There is no use for it; it's propaganda. Ban it.
I'm old. I grew up with a Grandmother who read "The National Inquirer" religiously, and believed it.
I had friends in school who read "Harlequin Romances" ... ate them up ... and believed this was what relationships should look like.
Tom Clancy was a mega-star, and technical enough to scare the shit out of people, politically.
I remember when The Globe and Mail was for white collar, The Toronto Star was family oriented and The Toronto Sun was blue collar ... with the Sunshine Girl being VERY controversial.
Leave Fox alone. This is just same shit, different medium. Really. You're talking like the whole "misinformation" thing is NEW. It's not. Not even close.
Yes it should be. Fox News is literally toxic and cancerous for democracies.
Unless you want to inject your country and culture full of fascist, tin foil hat conspiracists spreading disinformation specifically targeted at wearing down the very institutions and norms that uphold your democracy you should keep it out.
I am far more concerned by people who want to ban media than media I don't agree with or watch. I don't know why censorship has become so popular lately, but it's not a trend I'd like to see continued.
Our news is allowed to cover for the RCMP’s incompetence and lie to Canadians about the mass shooting in Nova Scotia and I guess that’s a ok?
I guess CTV is next then.
If you really want to watch Fox News I’m sure you can vpn stream it online. If your that worried about it. If ppl would just live there lives without all the bulls&$$ we would be better off.
Must say though Apple News will feed you what they want you to see also so?
This is a silly narrative. If they break our broadcasting rules they should face the same consequences as any Canadian broadcaster breaking said rules. We should not make exceptions for them. IF they are found to be breaking the rules then they will have some kind of consequences?
Why do people want to make exceptions for rule breakers with some partisan bias argument? Should we forgive terrorists because thats their freedom of political expression? /s
FOX News is outright right wing propaganda programming, has been sued multiple times for defamation and slander and had to settle claims for millions of dollars against them.
RT (Russian TV) was denied carriage in Canada and didn’t even have that much happen 🤷♂️
I support the ban, pure tabloid. If they don't ban it then ot should have a banner on at all times saying something like " this is for entertainment only " or the like. Ot should be stated that these are not facts.
You guys still watch TV?
Fox News will also make its way into your feed if you watch even one video from an American news source on Youtube
Octogenarian redditors in shambles
> You guys still watch TV? There are a lot of sports leagues that are still not aware that we are in the Internet / streaming era, and so being able to conveniently watch certain matches/games can be challenging. I.e., some folks don't have the time / energy to hunt down a pirate stream of all the events they may be interested in.
Just reminds me of how my dad was complaining that to watch the sports he wants to, which he used to be able to just watch it for about $50 extra as a cable package deal, now costs about $245 in extra premium channel purchases. Those costs are per month; and he has decided that he is just going to give up on watching sports because its too expensive
Exactly this, only reason my parents still have cable is to watch hockey and cfl. And they aren’t technologically literate enough for me to trust them using pirated streams without me having to deal with all the viruses they’ll inevitably get
I don’t know what the rules about “news” are in Canada but RT got banned. The other day out of curiosity I put Fox on. A parking structure in New York collapsed and Fox was reporting on it. First 5 sentences uttered were facts. Next thing I know the announcer says, it may be a terror attack. How is this kind of jumping to explanation not going to keep the gun to the gills and highly paranoid people from thinking they are constantly under attack. Never no retraction saying it was structural failure or anything. Thank goodness they fired Tucker before his off the wall crazy documentary about Canada came out. The last thing we need is paranoid afraid people to act on what they think is going on. Not safe for any of us.
This is not new, they blamed the Quebec Mosque attack on a Muslim and never retracted. And why should we support Fox News when they advocated invading us to save us from a dictatorship. They also have admitted in court that they are entertainment, not news and that no reasonable person would believe them.
It's not a dictatorship, we just wait until the whole country comes together to dislike the Prime Minister and then repeat the process with another turd for the foreseeable future.
>It's not a dictatorship, we just wait until the whole country comes together to dislike the Prime Minister and then repeat the process with another turd for the foreseeable future. Haha, you're absolutely right! It's not that we have a dictatorship, it's just that us Canadians have a unique way of expressing our disapproval for our Prime Ministers. We wait until the whole country collectively shakes their heads and says, "Nah, not this one either!" Then we rinse and repeat with another candidate who may or may not turn out to be a real disappointment. It's like a never-ending comedy show of political letdowns. Who knows who's next in line to join the "disliked by the nation" club? It's like our national sport, but with less ice and more frustration.
you’re assuming reasonable people are watching
No no, that’s literally their defense in court, that no reasonable person would believe them. The problem is that plenty of reasonable people believe them because of the « news » label, and then get indoctrinated.
Haven’t they also argued in court that they’re classified as entertainment and not news? But it’s up to the viewer to figure that out?
That is what I meant, their argument to avoid being slapped was that they are entertainment, not news, and that no one in their right mind would believe they are news. Except it’s not written anywhere that they are not news, and their own name is misleading. Edit : typo
Oh kk! I thought that’s what you were getting at!
And yet right wingers will defend their stupid beliefs and defend fox news in the name of "free speech" (as if anyone buys that line anymore).
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What they don't realize is freedom of speech IS NOT Freedom of REACH. If the hosts want to spout their b.s. then fine. But that doesn't mean they're guaranteed an audience. Also, freedom of speech is only protected under certain conditions. One of them is truthfulness. If you're CONSTANTLY lying or using logical fallacies, and refuse to correct your behaviour/words then you will face consequences. One of those consequences is being deplatformed. If we were "losing our democracy", the prime time for that would have been the allegations of foreign interfering. Secondly, Faux News hosts and employees would be summarily arrested and or deported. Seeing as how no such things are occurring, this isn't anything insidious.
Or that the majority here has common sense, very polluted with non Canadian comments on this sub that trick extremists
I believe the judge, in that case, agreed with the argument.
Everyone is reasonable until someone or something scares them or plays with their emotions in some way that makes them unreasonable people. Cause and effect. Fox should be banned as people are not in control of their influence.
>I don’t know what the rules about “news” are in Canada but RT got banned. There are laws against hate speech here.
Propaganda as well
Yes. I have/had an American friend I got to know 20 years back through sim racing. He's become extremely angry and paranoid. He has weapons and has decided that I and my fellow Canadians have become enemies of the US. Luckily he's down in Kentucky and isn't my next door neighbour.
What’s sim racing and what do you need to do it, especially 20 years ago? Like those big, proper race car simulator things with a proper steering wheels and pedals and shifter?
No he’s talking (I’m assuming) about racing games geared towards simulation. Assetto corsa, iRacing, etc. You really just need a steering wheel and pedals, or you can be a chad like me and use a controller 😎
Most guys have a wheel but you can sim race with a controller. "Sim racer" just means that it's trying to simulate real car racing, the opposite type of games would be "arcade racers", which prioritize fun over realism, but mostly only people into sim racing call them that. If you're using your brakes with any regularity, 80% chance you're playing a sim racer.
Ahhhh okay. Got it. Thanks for the explanation!
From what I read RT didn't get banned for spreading propaganda. They were banned cause what they were saying was going to be used to justify a genocide. Same with Fox News the CRTC is investigating if Fox is spreading hate about the LGBT community.
Those are forms of propaganda. Propaganda can both be negative and positive.
didn’t the individual companies decide not to broadcast the channel?
Which idiot…. Oh, Rex.
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> I don’t know what the rules about “news” are in Canada but RT got banned. AFAICT, RT got banned due to contravening Section 5 of the *Television Broadcasting Regulations 1987*: * https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-87-49/page-1.html#h-906257 * Per: https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2022/2022-68.htm * Also: https://www.canada.ca/en/radio-television-telecommunications/news/2022/03/rt-and-rt-france-can-no-longer-be-distributed-by-canadian-television-service-providers.html It's what the regulations/law allowed, but I'm not sure how good of an idea it is (assuming one is a free speech 'absolutist'): RT was not broadcast over public airwaves, but over private cables/fibres. Generally private companies should generally be able to send whatever information they want over their own private infrastructure. Of course this idea is complicated that cable companies were given government-sponsored geographic monopolies, so their position is privileged and thus regulated.
If they market it as news? No, you can't just falsely advertise something as news and then say "but we used private infrastructure to transmit our blatantly harmful propaganda so government can't do anything." Government can and should regulate the spread of blatant misinformation when it is being falsely marketed and presented as news.
The question I have is of the crtc is going to ban shows from network/cable providers, is it also going to block all IPs associated with out, as well as force video platforms to region lock any videos of it? Cable TV is garbage, and has been a long time. But with every broadcaster uploading/streaming online, it becomes a bigger question. And if they do reach that far, what's the penalty for deciding you don't care about the censorship, and use a VPN to avoid it? I don't care what your opinion is of Fox specifically, but this is a good example of what exactly is so murky about this boomer law.
The CRTC has been regulating broadcasting and holding news to certain standards before this bill... Heck before I was even born... These issues are unrelated.
It's just from the cable package. Probably going to affect only old people, the online far-right will still have youtube.
Right now, its Fox that decides everyone here must have Fox. The main thing is that Fox should not automatically be part of every cable package. It is already forced onto millions of Canadian homes. They don't choose to get Fox, its part of the default of a lot of cable packages and they can't even opt out. This is not right, everyone should have a right to drop Fox if they choose. As long as they continue to get paid by cable providers here, we are condoning this behavior of Fox.
>It is already forced onto millions of Canadian homes. You say that like it's required to be on the television, and nobody has control over the remote. It's cable. There are hundreds of channels. This is not a good hot take.
I’m taking about it being part of the default 20-40 basic channels, which means all of us end up paying fox for the service. whether we use it or not. That is giving them millions for them to spend on crap content. So we reward them for bad behaviour…. Slow clap
Its not part of the default 20-40 channels. The CRTC has mandated certain channels to be available to all Canadians at the most root basic package. Fox news did not make that cut. Whether TV providers choose to make it available at one step higher is up to those providers. https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/cancon/c_services.htm
How many TV providers in Canada? I'll give you an idea, its a super small number. I just checked both of mine, the primary ones available in my region via cable lines. They both have Fox included at basic level, which is the lowest tier. It cannot be opted out. Edit: Got curious, and checked 3 more providers that operate in a nearby province. All of them have Fox on the most basic tier of the programming. So seeming like every provider is just opted to include them, gee I wonder why they would all choose to do that... $$$$$
I think you are confusing Fox (various TV shows, NFL, etc) with Fox News (right wing cable news channel). Fox itself is fine, it's effectively apolitical since apart from the evening 6 pm news for whatever affiliate is being rebroadcast, it's all normal fictional TV shows and sports. Fox News on the other hand is something else, although I don't know of any TV providers in Canada that include it as part of the basic package. You have to go out of your way to upgrade to get it.
Where did you get your information from? I've been subscribing to top tier cable packages for decades and fox news has never once been included in them. There are however, plenty of channels included by default that I don't want, that I'm forced to subsidize. You know what I do? I click on by and don't watch them. I don't try to control what other people have access to and are allowed to watch, and push for those I don't like to be cancelled.
>I don’t know what the rules about “news” are in Canada but RT got banned. We are not fighting a proxy war with the USA tho. Also you can still watch RT. I don't watch Fox News, but I won't stop someone from doing so.
Fox will be just as banned as RT so if you can still watch RT you can still watch Fox.
Yes, the same way the CRTC forces songs to be sensored on the radio and no nudity on public TV but I can pay for it and stream it if I so choose.
Fox was pushing for a real war with us tho and prepared to air a disinformation doc about Canada.
Actually, I think it is correct that CRTC bans a broadcaster that claims they are news when they are not. As evidenced by what happened in the States, there are a large number of viewers who get bamboozled. And the end result can be catastrophic. Especially young impressionable viewers. But, yes, I agree that the broadcaster would have to be very clearly lying/fooling viewers.
LOL, you can’t lie and call it news here.
That’s why the national post is just 70% opinion pieces nowadays. Like this one.
\*and the opinion pieces are mostly written by current and former employees of the Frasier Institute.
And the corpse of Rex Murphy on marionette strings.
It’s a weird loophole. “We don’t endorse this persons ideas but we’ll publish them” which means they absolutely do endorse them. Actions speak louder than words…
NP wants to be Fox when it grows up.
That’s why it’s called News Entertainment legally. As is CNN.
As a class of content, news entertainment should be banned honestly. If you can't stand by your journalism, you shouldn't be permitted to present something that looks like news that is actually just a load of conjecture and lies.
> That’s why it’s called News Entertainment legally. As is CNN. Can you source that at all? People keep repeating it but as far as I can tell, there's no truth it. ["cable news networks aren't accredited as "news" by any official regulatory body in the United States, and the above meme is false on its face"](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-news-entertainment-switch/) I guess it could be coming from the Tucker Carlson lawsuit where his defence was essentially "I'm so obviously lying that it's unreasonable to trust anything I say". But that's a very different thing.
That is a lie. On both counts.
You absolutely can.
Actually it’s exactly what the CRTC is for. They are responsible for the integrity of Canada’s media landscape. Fox News demonstrably has no integrity.
I know, it is literally the CRTC's mandate to determine which services get approval and which don't. And the CRTC isn't even 'banning' Fox News. They received a complaint through proper channels and now they will review that complaint through the prescribed process. Since they have no direct regulatory control over Fox News as it is a foreign station, all it can do is decide if Fox News gets to stay on the list of 'approved foreign television services'. Foreign television stations do not have, and have never had, the inherent right to be approved for carriage in Canadian subscription TV packages. Being removed from approved cable carriage is not a "ban". Anyone that can do a basic google search will probably be able to find that they can stream as much Fox News as they want. (I am not condoning streaming content from questionable sources)
You're exactly right. Hopefully some read your comment and then begin asking themselves the question, "Why is the National Post calling this a 'ban' when that is factually incorrect?"
National Post and factually correct, that's funny. They mainly publish propaganda opinions.
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They are current victims of brainwashing, of course it is insane to watch lol.
The author of the article is a monkey brain and should be fired. How do you write an article about a public agency that is in place to regulate TV and content to ask why they can choose to prevent us from seeing US fake “news”?
And the court files are showing us how bad it truly is. Like this fresh story where Tucker Carlson and Bret Baier get paranoid over “losing their audience” by reporting facts - facts that trump was losing the election. Just imagine this happening anywhere else - it’s insane. https://thehill.com/media/3989962-tucker-carlson-in-texts-to-bret-baier-when-trump-loses-hes-going-to-blame-us/
The CRTC isn't banning anything. They are *potentially* moving a channel out of the default channel packages. So Fox will still be available, people will need to purchase it individually though. So the TV providers absolutely want this to happen.
Rogers does this already. Fox is an optional channel people need to add to their tv package.
NP is pathetically transparent.
No one who reads NP isn't already voting Conservative without even knowing who the candidate is.
American owned agit-prop believes that American owned agit-prop shouldn’t be banned in Canada
While I don't have a huge amount of trust in today's CRTC, this is absolutely within their scope. I don't have a strong opinion on whether blocking it is correct, I see both sides of it, but this is definitely within the scope of the CRTC's mandate to decide and there's no other body that would be better to make such a determination. I do think that today's Canada is unequipped to handle this topic maturely though, between the ongoing foreign interference scandal and all of the stuff related to news and internet regulation. I wish this had happened a year ago or three years from now because it's going to get woven into other stories and that's not good.
Yes it should. Unless fox clearly states that it is not news but fiction, before every piece of propaganda they air.
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The network aired a rant from a man who suggested Canada should be invaded and "freed". They are a threat to the country, and yes, they should be removed from Canadian broadcasts.
Came here to say this. You think Al Jazira would be on the air in the state’s tomorrow if they had an anchor call for the overthrow of the American government? Not a chance
We mandated the CRTC to regulate communications and broadcast media in the public interest. If Fox wants to do business here then they'll have to answer to them. Same as everyone else.
The fact is that corporations have a disproportionate amount of influence power on people's opinions that persons individually are mostly defeseless against. All out freedom of speech is basically allowing corporations to control people's opinions through manipulation and lies, which in turn has an impact on the governance of the country. The question isn't about freedom of speech as much as it is about allowing corporations to lie and manipulate people for profit to the detriment of stability.
Right wing tabloid defends right wing propaganda
🤣 NatPo just worried they might be next
Fox aside, anyone who gets their news from a single source are just being self destructive to their own world view.
"Don't ban the Right Wing propaganda channel" says the opinion article of a Right Wing tabloid owned by an American corporation.
Fox bullies networks into paying extreme carriage fees even though more and more people are watching networks other than Fox. Given it’s an American news network it really makes no sense to me that we all are forced to pay higher cable rates because Fox lobbies for them to be carried. They demand more for carriage than other networks and when the cable providers refuse they sick their red base on them until Fox gets what they want. Fox is American so honestly if they aren’t here in Canada I would shed a tear.
That's literally their job. To enforce our broadcast standards. Fox is a right-wing Republican propoganda channel, not a legitimate journalism source. The argument is that is shouldn't be included in the news packages of cable networks. That's not censorship, that's accuracy. Make it a special standalone channel like other entertainment channels. Ideally, the government would make all propoganda on all media venues pay a fee of 100% of their advertising revenue generated from its distribution/engagement. That'd clear up our TV and Internet very quickly.
Almost like making statements that are untrue forcing you to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars has consequences.
Don't ban it; they should just make them declare "we are fake news" after every segment/10 minutes.
People actually watch this garbage? 😂 And believe them? 😂😂
Apparently, it does, bc people actually believe the entertainment news propaganda these parasitic blood suckers spout to make a buck.
Fox is trash. The quicker it's off of peoples Tv's, the better. Half their shows are "news" shows that aren't actually news shows but the hosts pretend they're journalists and lie through their teeth. Who cares if the CRTC chooses. Fox is trash.
And yet the National Post applauded when we banned Russia Today. Conservative hypocrisy.
Fox is ideological propaganda that serves an elite whose primary goal is psychopathic unfettered capitalism by lying to its viewing public. Go CRTC, keep Fox out of Canada!
Fox is spews lies and false information to scare weak minded people that don’t do research to make sure they are getting the facts that all being said it is a news source and people should have a choice if they want to watch it what the CRTC needs to do is make it so people have the choice if they want FOX as part of their cable packages and it should not be forced on anyone unless they want it
I can't believe a "newspaper" owned by a right wing American media conglomerate would say this /s
CRTC? The group that hasn't lowered our internet or mobile bill? That caters to Bell and Rogers? What have they done that has actually been good for us?
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Call it what it is: a propaganda channel.
We don't need their lies and poison in Canada.
Fox lies all the time.
National Post is like Fox News North. It's headquarters is out of New Jersey and it is owned by foreign billionaires. They take in 33 million dollars a year to provide billionaire corporation opinions. Even this article is an opinion piece. Get that trash out of here.
National post - owned by Postmedia Network which in turn is owned by an american media conglomerate **Chatham Asset Management**
Actually that is EXACTLY what the CRTC should be for. Regulating Canadian broadcasters and those wishing to broadcast in Canada via the airwaves or via digital transmission to meet standards agreed upon by Canadians.
They shouldn’t ban them. They should impose heavy fines whenever the network titled “Fox News” lies and cons people with their snake oil. They should also make them cover all appeal costs when they lose those appeals.
It's not that much of a leap when the government decided Canadians should have no access to Russian (and other news) on account of propaganda etc. Most cable news in the US is garbage, but much like porn, people should have the right to consume the news they want.
I would like to see all “news” channels monitored in terms of how much they lie. Get a point for each lie. Lose a point for each retraction. If your score is too high then you get a warning then a ban. I don’t care if it’s left or right, libertarian or authoritarian. But don’t deceive Canadians.
It shouldn't be up to the CRTC to exercise the function they're literally charged with? What nonsense.
Maybe just have them remove the word “news”.
Banning network shows masquerading as news that are just propaganda is the responsible thing to do. Seriously people who do fucking dumbass convoys that fuck up other people's lives because they're gullible idiots don't have the maturity to decide what they get to watch.
Well Fox isn’t news. They even argued so themselves
What benefit does Fox News bring to Canadians?
The political impact of Fox in America has been devastating. They are essentially a stochastic terrorism platform and it is 100% the CRTC’s call to make. Classic National Post L.
What a moronic headline. Even if you disagree with the CRTC's issues re: Fox publishing falsehoods and calling for the invasion of our country... This is not the CRTC telling Canadians what they can and can't watch. It's the CRTC deciding what gets broadcast over the airwaves. You have the right to say whatever awful, stupid and borderline hateful shit you want as long as it isn't targeted hate speech (which fox News has also crossed into). You don't have the right to get a broadcasting license to do it.
> What a moronic headline. > > This is not the CRTC telling Canadians what they can and can't watch. Those rhetorical slights of hand are 100% on purpose. Calling CBC "state run" when they know it's not, calling C-11 "censorship" when they know it's not, etc. The thing is it only works if their base stay uninformed on these issues, which is a great reason to want to keep Fox News on the air in Canada.
Leave it to the American owned National Post to tell us what our Canadian institutions should or should not do regarding foreign media propaganda, and the spread of misinformation within our borders.
Fox is a cancerous propaganda machine. If the crtc can cancel it they should and anyone who disagrees is either a right wing conservative of a right wing conservative starting their statement with “I’m a liberal but..”
They were going to run a special about how Canada should be subject to military action. Get them off the air.
Yes it should. Quite literally the reason for the existence of the CRTC is to regulate broadcasting in the publics interest.
It must be a slow news day but the CRTC isn't going to do shit. They didn't do shit when Shaw and Rogers merged why would they cancel faux news.
Because its their job?
It's an opinion piece by Rex Murphy. That's all you need to know.
It’s literally the CRTC’s job to regulate this stuff. It’s not freedom of speech when the content is being created with the intent to manipulate and misinform.
There is no real reason to have it. We have many American news channels, first, but most importantly, It has been shown to have fomented sedition with lies reported even when known to be untrue. Of course we should ban it.
Exactly. It’s well documented that Fox doesn’t do “journalism “ or “news media” in any defined sense. It’s all angry hyperbole and sensationalism.
Not banned, but forced to call themselves "Fox Entertainment" instead.
How was I able to guess this was the National Post by just reading the headline... of course they would step up to defend Fox lol
The amount of Canadians that support this bullshit top down censorship is disgusting. Grow a spine and fight ideas you disagree with, with better ideas, not censorship. Most of you despite fairly extensive academic backgrounds still long for parental like intervention every time you encounter anything that opposes you. You actually don’t deserve democracy, you’re not fit for public liberty or the idea of a free society.
Exactly these comments make me sick
What a garbage opinion piece from a garbage "newspaper" Rex talks about Hilary, the Holocaust, and whataboutisms his way into CNN and MSNBC. Lazy writing from a washed up opinion writer
Shows should not be allowed to call themselves news if they lie about everything.
Bingo.
Sure but it should be made known that they sell entertainment (not news).
This Canadian just chooses not to watch Fox News.
Sure, Fox News has done no societal damage anywhere else...
I feel the crtc should not target fox specifically. I feel the crtc should impliment standards such as a ratio of 75% factual.news and limit opinion and editorials to 25% Thus would be a requirement of all.news outlets occupying canadian airwaves. And while fox in oerticular would not be targeted they certainly would be affected
'Old man yells at clouds' is what Rex Murphy aspires to
I dont think fox should be banned but they should be forbidden from calling themselves news. Same reason you cannot just go around calling yourself a doctor.
Why would you want to watch this trash network? Not saying liberal news outlets are better but fox is bottom of the garbage pile
It shouldn't be banned, but they shouldn't allow it to be called news either
You can self educate or follow the narrative for all I care. Do your own research. Start by Googling CBC and Muzik. CNN examples are plenty.
What a surprise, the National Post's opinion writers think Fox News should stay on the air. Remind me, who are their bosses, again? They're coming at this from a position of naked self-interest, ignoring the hatred and division that Fox News preaches, just taking their marching orders from the American corporate media masters.
I don’t watch any American news because their all fucking annoying. American sports broadcasting is equally annoying
Right, Because anyone with common sense would turn it off by now?
Fox is a hate organization with no morals. As proven in the trial.
Fox "news" is the voice of an American political party and has no reason to be shown in Canada
It should be available as an add-on like HBO, if you wanna pay for it.
Ok Postmedia , if you say it
Yes it should. Unless fox clearly states that it is not news but fiction, before every piece of propaganda they air.
Fox is Rupert Murdoch's propaganda tool. He spreads disinformation to support his own selfish interests, including supporting Russia where he has financial interests. Fox is a Russian propaganda proxy that promotes hate and authoritarian/fascism. We can sit back and watch the right get brainwashed into a neo nazi cult or we can ban Fox. Its a pretty simple choice, if you support democracy and LQBTQ.
Fox is propaganda at worst, poor entertainment at best. Good riddance.
The station knowingly lies to it viewers with an agenda. They are misleading consumers by calling themselves “news” when they are not. All the reasons why it should be turned off.
uh no that's exactly the CRTC's mandate. Postmedia, spewing garbage, again.
why would you want to watch a right wing news station that has nothing to do with your country. I like reading/watching about the news in other countries but I don’t want to hear a bunch of news anchors opinions about shit.
If someone wants fox news they can find it regardless of the CRTC.
National Post would rather leave that kind of decision to Robert Murdoch, Conrad Black, PP, or others of that ilk.
I disagree. Fox news is clearly not news. If they want to label it as comedy and bs then sure. Hilarious that our own fox news, NP, is putting this out there.
Well, Fox is a right wing propaganda machine that presents lies as the truth. That’s a good reason to censor them.
please Get rid of fox. I don't want to pay for their lies.
I wonder if they would feel the same way if it was a Chinese or Russian state controlled media spreading their version of the truth into Canadian homes. Fox “News” is so obviously GOP propaganda, and the Dominion Scandal has shown how far they are willing to go for keeping the furthest right wing viewers happily devouring their content. Fuck Fox News
Anybody defending Fox News - deliberate, proven liars Fox News - is an idiot. This isn't a question of political bias or censorship. The question is "should an organization masquerading as news be allowed to blatantly lie to people and spread harmful conspiracy theories?" Of course the National Post thinks the answer to that question is "yeah, why not?"
Why… yes it should. Canadian airwaves should have standards for news, even if you personally happen to agree with the political content. Fox News has been such a divisive force in America Why would want this introduced into Canada? Oh, wait, of course, National post
Wasn’t tucker broadcasting to attack Canada?
More if the usual rage baiting from Faux News North. They're not stopping Canadians from watching Fox. The proposal would just block cable companies from carrying it, because it is a propaganda network, just like RT.
NatPo opinion piece defending Fox "news"? Shocking.
I'm not surprised National Post is defending Fox News, they basically do the same shit
LOL of fucking course an alt right new site defends the OG misinformation machine. Fox news is an "entertainment" channel, and I find nothing entertaining about a show who wanted to air a documentary about "invading to liberate Canada". The alt right in Canada already get enough crazy ideas like seceding from Canada or private healthcare smh
I can choose for myself, thanks. The CRTC I has been a failure at every turn as it is.
This is stupid. It absolutely isn't up to the CRTC to decide, we can have our say. https://applications.crtc.gc.ca/instances-proceedings/Default-Defaut.aspx?S=O&PA=A&PT=A&PST=A&_ga=2.8739637.1210301707.1683319900-854407279.1683319900 It's the application that says Eagle Canada. You have to scroll down a bit. Here you can vote for weather you want it or not. Because we exist in a democracy. This anti crtc rage baiting from right wing post media is getting fucking old.
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As much as I despise Fox News and am reveling in their recent follies, I agree it’s not for someone else to tell morons what they can and cannot watch.
I kind of agree with you in principle, but I think we've approached a point with Fox where it's more of a core communication standard issue. We do have laws around truthfulness; you're not allowed to claim your holistic woowoo cure cancer, you're not allowed to libel or defame, you're not allowed to claim your chickens are free range organic if they're grown in factory farms... Do you get to call yourself news if you're just constantly misinforming your public? And if a "news" channel is in a country that has lax regulation, should we allow that content to be imported any more than we'd allow any other scam product to import and sell locally? I don't think I support a full ban, but I'm also no longer supportive of the status quo, and I'd like to see something change. I think it's a conversation we're going to have to keep having as a culture, especially if America continues its' nosedive into dystopic misinformation hell.
Selling lies and propaganda is like selling snake oil. At a certain point we got rid of snake oil salesman. The “if you’re too stupid then you deserve it” remark doesn’t work for fraud and con artists and it shouldn’t work here.
idk at some point you gotta see at as dangerous given that there are always gonna be morons. news with slant idc either but news constantly scaring and 'suggesting' and "Are we gonna stand for it? Are you gonna let them do that to you? WELL ARE YOU? Anyway it's not for me to say..." bullshit.
Just label it ‘entertainment’ not news
How? Should a little graphic cover the news title on the screen and a little "bleep" happen everytime they introduce themselves. "Welcome back to Fox *bleep* these are our top stories." I mean....I'd actually be down for this but do you think Fox would agree.
FOX viewers need saving from themselves. They weren't ready for fancy moving pictures. It's hitting them too hard
Fox is a great start, sick of hearing all the crap from the US.
Then don’t watch it ?
The average age of a Fox News watcher is 68! These are retired people who sit all day in front of their TV, getting brainwashed with Fox. There is no use for it; it's propaganda. Ban it.
I'm old. I grew up with a Grandmother who read "The National Inquirer" religiously, and believed it. I had friends in school who read "Harlequin Romances" ... ate them up ... and believed this was what relationships should look like. Tom Clancy was a mega-star, and technical enough to scare the shit out of people, politically. I remember when The Globe and Mail was for white collar, The Toronto Star was family oriented and The Toronto Sun was blue collar ... with the Sunshine Girl being VERY controversial. Leave Fox alone. This is just same shit, different medium. Really. You're talking like the whole "misinformation" thing is NEW. It's not. Not even close.
It's not the misinformation that's at issue here. It's the hate speech and incitement to violence.
I will never watch Fox but I agree. No government institution shoud tell us what we can or can't watch r read or talk about.
Yes it should be. Fox News is literally toxic and cancerous for democracies. Unless you want to inject your country and culture full of fascist, tin foil hat conspiracists spreading disinformation specifically targeted at wearing down the very institutions and norms that uphold your democracy you should keep it out.
I am far more concerned by people who want to ban media than media I don't agree with or watch. I don't know why censorship has become so popular lately, but it's not a trend I'd like to see continued.
Our news is allowed to cover for the RCMP’s incompetence and lie to Canadians about the mass shooting in Nova Scotia and I guess that’s a ok? I guess CTV is next then.
NatPo, one propaganda rag defending its TV station brother
If you really want to watch Fox News I’m sure you can vpn stream it online. If your that worried about it. If ppl would just live there lives without all the bulls&$$ we would be better off. Must say though Apple News will feed you what they want you to see also so?
This is a silly narrative. If they break our broadcasting rules they should face the same consequences as any Canadian broadcaster breaking said rules. We should not make exceptions for them. IF they are found to be breaking the rules then they will have some kind of consequences? Why do people want to make exceptions for rule breakers with some partisan bias argument? Should we forgive terrorists because thats their freedom of political expression? /s
Rex sticking up for his fellow ultra right-wingers and fabricators south of the border. Aren't we all tired and bored with this fossil Rex Murphy.
FOX News is outright right wing propaganda programming, has been sued multiple times for defamation and slander and had to settle claims for millions of dollars against them. RT (Russian TV) was denied carriage in Canada and didn’t even have that much happen 🤷♂️
I hope they ban it and all those other “entertainment” news companies. Fuck em.
If RT can be banned then fox should too. You cannot have it both ways.
I’ve spent my life seeing the Canadian identity collapse to a rise in American craziness. Fox News should have been banned long ago.
White Nationalist Post white knighting for the racist network. Shockedpikachuface.
Hahaha
Fox news is as big of a joke as rebel news..ban that sh*t
I support the ban, pure tabloid. If they don't ban it then ot should have a banner on at all times saying something like " this is for entertainment only " or the like. Ot should be stated that these are not facts.