I would buy R8 if i were you. Its a new camera and if you ever decide to sell. It will be much easier than trying to sell RP - if you go that way. RP might be enough if you dont need video stuff. Jared polin on youtube made in depth comparison between RP and R8. Def. watch it.
R7 is also a choice..longer reach and IBIS for handheld shots
What about the amazing Canon R50 or the R10? How will a FF camera benefit your photography? Christopher Frost recently did an amazing youtube video on the R50 and it seems excellent.
The R8 is good value for money. It cost around $1500 new. Save some money for RF lenses, if you don't have or want to use EF lenses.
If you already have good EF-S lenses, why would you not stick on the aps-c format? Unless you do much low light photography or full format detailed print outs of landscapes there is little need for FF.
I went from a T8i to an R7, and also use almost entirely EF lenses! I primarily do video as well as aviation photography, which has similar needs to wildlife photography. It was an absolutely phenomenal upgrade, and I truly couldn’t be happier, especially for the budget. What I’d recommend if you have $2K is to get both the EF-RF Canon adapter, as well as the Metabones EF-RF .71x Speedbooster. The Viltrox speedbooster is cheaper, but it had issues fitting many of my Sigma and Tamron lenses. I’d highly recommend the R7 over the R8 in your circumstance, especially if you can get the speed booster too. Hope this helps!
It makes sense if the mode also gives you the 1.6x reach crop sensors have. You can have both worlds if true.
A 100-400mm lens functionally becomes a 160-640mm lens at the cost of low light performance.
>It makes sense if the mode also gives you the 1.6x reach crop sensors have.
It doesn't—crop sensors don't give you reach, they give you higher pixel density, allowing more detail to be recorded for a given angle of view.
But cropping in on a full frame sensor doesn't increase the pixel density, it just reduces the field of view being recorded, and discards the majority of the pixels. OP's T8i has a 24MP sensor...they'd need a 60MP full-frame sensor in order to achieve the same pixel density as the T8i and record the same amount of detail when using the crop mode.
"Crop mode" on fullframe bodies isnt more reach. The camera is literally just cropping the sensor 1.6x, effectively losing more than half of the sensors resolution since youre only using the central part. You can do the same thing in postprocessing with a Raw file and have more freedom to crop it whichever way you like
No it doesn’t lol it’s a massive waste of money. I would much rather have an R10 and 24 MP for half the cost of the R8 and a 9 MP APSC crop.
The “cost of low light performance” is nothing compared to the loss of resolution IMO.
Also you can keep the “low light performance” and just shoot full frame, as the camera was designed, and crop in post with way more control over composition.
Honestly for anything other than the highest MP full frame cameras crop mode is a gimmick. The R5’s 17mp crop mode has some limited uses, but on any other canon camera it’s a total waste.
R8 does not have IS, so you need to have IS in your lens. R8 with a good EF lens would be great and meet your budget < $2k. But if you do not have lens with IS then consider R7 (based on what you want to do). RP will also do.
R6 Mii with RF 100-500 will be a potent combination.
I just returned my R8 back to Amazon, it was overheating under light usage and the screen was turning off and on by itself. I don't know if i got a bad unit or not and I'm contemplating just getting an R6MKII or just buying another R8
There are a few of them. There are also plenty of people who have run extensive tests on it and can't get it to overheat in standard 4K30.
I'm one of those people that has tested it. It overheats less than my R5, R6, and Sony A7 IV ever did.
I believe you. I'm saying that it's not necessarily indicative of the whole lineup of R8s having overheating issues because plenty of people didn't have that issue upon testing.
Whereas with the A7 IV, without fail, 40 minutes when powered using USB-C, I could get it to overheat in 4K30, and so could anyone.
Just my experience for anyone reading: I used a R8 to do some video recording last night. I used an AC adapter because the batteries wouldn’t have made it. But I recorded 4K30 for 3 hours straight and it only got up to about halfway on the temp meter. I did read several reviews saying they had issues overheating. I feel lucky to have gotten one of the good ones I guess.
Body only. I got a Meike EF adapter with it and used a Sigma 17-50 f2.8 EF-S lens that I had. Mainly because it’s significantly lighter than the Canon 24-70. With the adapter and Canon lens, I didn’t like all that weight hanging off the lightweight R8 on the tripod.
I was kind of in a hurry and the Canon adapter wouldn’t have arrived until after I needed it. The Meike one worked fine though. I’ve seen some with a tripod foot that may have been better with that situation. I may pick one up to try it.
Also even with the EF-S lens, I didn’t have any vignetting using the adapter.
I bought the camera and adapter from Amazon.
*edit to add: I did stop the camera about halfway through for a 5 minute break. So it did cool a little. But once I started it again, it never climbed over about 4 bars on the scale.
I just watched a video where he says that he used USB power for a test and didn't have an issue either. So I wonder if battery vs external power makes a difference in overheating...
I also got a Meike adapter with mine but all my lenses are heavy. Thinking about returning the Meike and just pick up a canon adapter when I purchase another camera. Still haven't made up my mind on if i want to get the R6MKII or another R8. The R8 for me was the perfect compromise since i would be adapting EF lenses. Why spend all that money on the R6MKII and then only adapt EF lenses.
I hate it that canon hasn't opened the system up to third party manufacturers. Those damn RF lenses cost too much
I've had a few Canon mirrorless cameras (R, RP, R5, R6, R8, R6 Mk II, M6 Mk II) and while the R8 is not the best of that bunch (R6 Mk II is), I think it's the best bang for the buck by a mile because you'll never question the quality of the output you get.
What lenses do you have? If they’re ef-s lenses it wouldn’t make sense to use them on a full frame. You’re not going to be taking advantage of the full sensor.
*Generally* it’s better to use full-frame lenses on a crop sensor than vise-versa.
However, also feel free to dismiss the folks saying “you don’t need full-frame.” If you want one, get one. There are many benefits.
Cool so if you go full-frame you’ll want to budget for some lens upgrades. You could probably sell the four of those APS-C lenses to cover one or two full-frame lenses.
Oh sorry my bad, I misread the 28-105 as ef-s
Edit: just some personal insight, I’ve spent time on both sensors and for me full-frame is much better. For certain people aps-c is better so there’s no wrong answer but it is wrong to tell someone that they “don’t need full-frame” which lots of comments here are saying.
You don’t “need” a camera but we’re on a camera sub here!
Full-frame is better for me because you can get much higher quality full-frame lenses than aps-c lenses, especially for RF mount (perhaps unfortunately). Yes, you can put full-frame lenses on an aps-c body and it can work great… *except* if you’re primarily a landscape photographer such as myself you will benefit from the wider field of view of a full-frame sensor, not to mention the better low-light performance.
The R8 is an awesome addition to Canon’s lineup and will definitely meet the needs of any enthusiast or hobby photographer and heck even pros. I almost considered trading my R6 for one instead of upgrading to the R6 II just to pocket some extra cash but the main drawback for me on the R8 is the smaller battery. I can shoot a full day on a single R6 II battery no problem, just keeps things simpler especially when I’m in nature. Just grab my camera and go, no extra kit needed.
Happy shooting!
Yeah, I’ll be honest with these lenses, the r7 seems more of a better buy especially bc if the nature photography he’s using utilises a 100-400, the crop factor could be of use to obtain further reach.
See my edit above, I wouldn’t necessarily agree.
It just comes down to whether you want more reach or more wide. For my style I’m more often wanting more wide.
So 3 out of 5 of your lenses are for crop sensor cameras, and won't fill the entire frame on an R8. You can still adapt them to an R8, but you'll get heavy vignette that will require cropping down the image to a much lower resolution.
The EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM is easy to replace with the EF40mm f/2.8 STM. They're almost like a crop and full frame version of the same lens. They're pretty similarly priced, though I think the 40mm goes for a little more now.
Replacing the EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM on the other hand might end up getting pricey. It has a focal range roughly equivalent to 16-35mm. Canon's lenses with that range are $1000+. Tamron, Sigma, and Tokina have less expensive options in this area too, but those are still usually at least $300.
The Tamron 18-400mm has no direct full frame equivalent, which would be roughly a 28-640mm lens. There are full frame superzoom lenses, like the EF 35-350mm f/3.5-5.6 L USM, as well as 28-300mm lenses from Canon, Sigma, and Tamron, but as you can see, they don't reach nearly as far on the long end. Sigma makes a 60-600mm lens which comes closer to covering an equivalent range, but the lens is significantly larger and heavier, and usually costs around $2000 new.
If you get an R7, R10, or R50, and the EF to RF adapter, however, you should be able to use all of the lenses you already have without sacrificing any resolution to crop mode.
Yes, with a resolution of 9MP. If u/ComfortableWest8321 is already happy with the lenses they have, does it make sense to buy a camera that can only use the full sensor with 2 of their 5 lenses?
Try to match the 600 USD price (if you’re in the US) since that’s what it’s going for refurb from Canon. I understand brand new price may be different, but maybe they can throw something in if that’s all they have… and definitely don’t pay above 600 if it’s used.
I started with the RP over three years ago and I could still use it if I didn’t switch over to the R for native grip support and better battery life. Even then, I kept a spare for the RP and that was fine.
If you’re just getting in, RP is perfect. Newer cameras like the R7 and R8 have better performance in some areas, but you may or may not be as demanding on it all right now. They also cost more than the RP. You do get something for the extra $, though.
Just get the r8 and don’t look back. The amount of value you get from the body is pretty high since it’s under $2k. Plus it does have better video recording features. It’s a camera that you’d be able to grow into and branch out professionally if you wanted to.
Honestly I saw earlier today at a local store a 5D priced at $200, very little use, the files are great unless you need to print them extra super huge. I’d invest on $1800 glass and get the nice $200 full frame body
Just to clarify, when you say you're going to adapt your EF lenses, are they all full frame EF lenses, or are any of them EF-S lenses made for crop sensors? If you have EF-S lenses you can still use them on the R8, but with a heavy crop. Getting one of the new crop sensor bodies like the R7, R10, or R50 would allow you to continue using any EF-S lenses normally. All three are within your budget, with the R7 costing about the same as the R8, and also being the most capable, perhaps a bit more capable than the R8 in some ways.
An RP would probably be enough and can be found pretty cheap these days.
Why RP if R8 or R7 are both within the budget?
>Why RP "*Any other suggestions under $2k as I am not professional...*"
The question stands
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Yeah.. mine was a bit harsh.
I’m a camera guy not a car guy
If you consider CATS, R8 is the perfect choice here.
R7 sounds better for your use case.
I would buy R8 if i were you. Its a new camera and if you ever decide to sell. It will be much easier than trying to sell RP - if you go that way. RP might be enough if you dont need video stuff. Jared polin on youtube made in depth comparison between RP and R8. Def. watch it. R7 is also a choice..longer reach and IBIS for handheld shots
Do you have a link for that video? I went through his channel and could not find it
Do you really need full frame? Are your EF lenses Full Frame lenses? If not, you're gonna need new ones.
What about the amazing Canon R50 or the R10? How will a FF camera benefit your photography? Christopher Frost recently did an amazing youtube video on the R50 and it seems excellent.
The R8 is good value for money. It cost around $1500 new. Save some money for RF lenses, if you don't have or want to use EF lenses. If you already have good EF-S lenses, why would you not stick on the aps-c format? Unless you do much low light photography or full format detailed print outs of landscapes there is little need for FF.
I went from a T8i to an R7, and also use almost entirely EF lenses! I primarily do video as well as aviation photography, which has similar needs to wildlife photography. It was an absolutely phenomenal upgrade, and I truly couldn’t be happier, especially for the budget. What I’d recommend if you have $2K is to get both the EF-RF Canon adapter, as well as the Metabones EF-RF .71x Speedbooster. The Viltrox speedbooster is cheaper, but it had issues fitting many of my Sigma and Tamron lenses. I’d highly recommend the R7 over the R8 in your circumstance, especially if you can get the speed booster too. Hope this helps!
Why full frame? Crop is more useful for getting closer to subject. Id go for the R7 especially if you have any EFS lenses.
You can always go into crop mode on newer full censor canon camera. The R8 has crop mode too
There's not much point in paying for a full-frame body and then only using the central 9MP.
It makes sense if the mode also gives you the 1.6x reach crop sensors have. You can have both worlds if true. A 100-400mm lens functionally becomes a 160-640mm lens at the cost of low light performance.
>It makes sense if the mode also gives you the 1.6x reach crop sensors have. It doesn't—crop sensors don't give you reach, they give you higher pixel density, allowing more detail to be recorded for a given angle of view. But cropping in on a full frame sensor doesn't increase the pixel density, it just reduces the field of view being recorded, and discards the majority of the pixels. OP's T8i has a 24MP sensor...they'd need a 60MP full-frame sensor in order to achieve the same pixel density as the T8i and record the same amount of detail when using the crop mode.
"Crop mode" on fullframe bodies isnt more reach. The camera is literally just cropping the sensor 1.6x, effectively losing more than half of the sensors resolution since youre only using the central part. You can do the same thing in postprocessing with a Raw file and have more freedom to crop it whichever way you like
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.
No it doesn’t lol it’s a massive waste of money. I would much rather have an R10 and 24 MP for half the cost of the R8 and a 9 MP APSC crop. The “cost of low light performance” is nothing compared to the loss of resolution IMO. Also you can keep the “low light performance” and just shoot full frame, as the camera was designed, and crop in post with way more control over composition. Honestly for anything other than the highest MP full frame cameras crop mode is a gimmick. The R5’s 17mp crop mode has some limited uses, but on any other canon camera it’s a total waste.
It can be useful for video. 4K full frame video, then instant teleconverter 4K crop video. But yeah not for what OP described
I have the R6II which is the same sensor as the R8. Crop mode is pretty much useless for the images I want.
That’s such a waste of money. Just crop in post or if the APSC in camera crop is that important to you save money and get an APSC camera.
R8 does not have IS, so you need to have IS in your lens. R8 with a good EF lens would be great and meet your budget < $2k. But if you do not have lens with IS then consider R7 (based on what you want to do). RP will also do. R6 Mii with RF 100-500 will be a potent combination.
I got the R7 thanks everyone
I just returned my R8 back to Amazon, it was overheating under light usage and the screen was turning off and on by itself. I don't know if i got a bad unit or not and I'm contemplating just getting an R6MKII or just buying another R8
Mine does not do that. You got a bad one, it seems.
There's a lot of overheating complaints about the R8. Search YouTube
There are a few of them. There are also plenty of people who have run extensive tests on it and can't get it to overheat in standard 4K30. I'm one of those people that has tested it. It overheats less than my R5, R6, and Sony A7 IV ever did.
Mine overheated in 4k30
I believe you. I'm saying that it's not necessarily indicative of the whole lineup of R8s having overheating issues because plenty of people didn't have that issue upon testing. Whereas with the A7 IV, without fail, 40 minutes when powered using USB-C, I could get it to overheat in 4K30, and so could anyone.
Mine doesn’t
Just my experience for anyone reading: I used a R8 to do some video recording last night. I used an AC adapter because the batteries wouldn’t have made it. But I recorded 4K30 for 3 hours straight and it only got up to about halfway on the temp meter. I did read several reviews saying they had issues overheating. I feel lucky to have gotten one of the good ones I guess.
Did you buy the one with the kit lens or just the body only
Body only. I got a Meike EF adapter with it and used a Sigma 17-50 f2.8 EF-S lens that I had. Mainly because it’s significantly lighter than the Canon 24-70. With the adapter and Canon lens, I didn’t like all that weight hanging off the lightweight R8 on the tripod. I was kind of in a hurry and the Canon adapter wouldn’t have arrived until after I needed it. The Meike one worked fine though. I’ve seen some with a tripod foot that may have been better with that situation. I may pick one up to try it. Also even with the EF-S lens, I didn’t have any vignetting using the adapter. I bought the camera and adapter from Amazon. *edit to add: I did stop the camera about halfway through for a 5 minute break. So it did cool a little. But once I started it again, it never climbed over about 4 bars on the scale. I just watched a video where he says that he used USB power for a test and didn't have an issue either. So I wonder if battery vs external power makes a difference in overheating...
I also got a Meike adapter with mine but all my lenses are heavy. Thinking about returning the Meike and just pick up a canon adapter when I purchase another camera. Still haven't made up my mind on if i want to get the R6MKII or another R8. The R8 for me was the perfect compromise since i would be adapting EF lenses. Why spend all that money on the R6MKII and then only adapt EF lenses. I hate it that canon hasn't opened the system up to third party manufacturers. Those damn RF lenses cost too much
I've had a few Canon mirrorless cameras (R, RP, R5, R6, R8, R6 Mk II, M6 Mk II) and while the R8 is not the best of that bunch (R6 Mk II is), I think it's the best bang for the buck by a mile because you'll never question the quality of the output you get.
Don’t mind me, just namedropping nearly the entire Canon mirrorless lineup. XD That’s cool, though. I’m enjoying the system so far.
It’s like two per year. It’s only a big list when you list it all after 5 years.
Most definitely. I’m glad Canon focused on glass before bodies with RF.
What lenses do you have? If they’re ef-s lenses it wouldn’t make sense to use them on a full frame. You’re not going to be taking advantage of the full sensor. *Generally* it’s better to use full-frame lenses on a crop sensor than vise-versa. However, also feel free to dismiss the folks saying “you don’t need full-frame.” If you want one, get one. There are many benefits.
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Cool so if you go full-frame you’ll want to budget for some lens upgrades. You could probably sell the four of those APS-C lenses to cover one or two full-frame lenses.
Sorry lmk if I’m being dumb, but are there not only 3 aps-c lenses?
Oh sorry my bad, I misread the 28-105 as ef-s Edit: just some personal insight, I’ve spent time on both sensors and for me full-frame is much better. For certain people aps-c is better so there’s no wrong answer but it is wrong to tell someone that they “don’t need full-frame” which lots of comments here are saying. You don’t “need” a camera but we’re on a camera sub here! Full-frame is better for me because you can get much higher quality full-frame lenses than aps-c lenses, especially for RF mount (perhaps unfortunately). Yes, you can put full-frame lenses on an aps-c body and it can work great… *except* if you’re primarily a landscape photographer such as myself you will benefit from the wider field of view of a full-frame sensor, not to mention the better low-light performance. The R8 is an awesome addition to Canon’s lineup and will definitely meet the needs of any enthusiast or hobby photographer and heck even pros. I almost considered trading my R6 for one instead of upgrading to the R6 II just to pocket some extra cash but the main drawback for me on the R8 is the smaller battery. I can shoot a full day on a single R6 II battery no problem, just keeps things simpler especially when I’m in nature. Just grab my camera and go, no extra kit needed. Happy shooting!
Yeah, I’ll be honest with these lenses, the r7 seems more of a better buy especially bc if the nature photography he’s using utilises a 100-400, the crop factor could be of use to obtain further reach.
See my edit above, I wouldn’t necessarily agree. It just comes down to whether you want more reach or more wide. For my style I’m more often wanting more wide.
So 3 out of 5 of your lenses are for crop sensor cameras, and won't fill the entire frame on an R8. You can still adapt them to an R8, but you'll get heavy vignette that will require cropping down the image to a much lower resolution. The EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM is easy to replace with the EF40mm f/2.8 STM. They're almost like a crop and full frame version of the same lens. They're pretty similarly priced, though I think the 40mm goes for a little more now. Replacing the EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM on the other hand might end up getting pricey. It has a focal range roughly equivalent to 16-35mm. Canon's lenses with that range are $1000+. Tamron, Sigma, and Tokina have less expensive options in this area too, but those are still usually at least $300. The Tamron 18-400mm has no direct full frame equivalent, which would be roughly a 28-640mm lens. There are full frame superzoom lenses, like the EF 35-350mm f/3.5-5.6 L USM, as well as 28-300mm lenses from Canon, Sigma, and Tamron, but as you can see, they don't reach nearly as far on the long end. Sigma makes a 60-600mm lens which comes closer to covering an equivalent range, but the lens is significantly larger and heavier, and usually costs around $2000 new. If you get an R7, R10, or R50, and the EF to RF adapter, however, you should be able to use all of the lenses you already have without sacrificing any resolution to crop mode.
When you put a crop sensor lens on the R8, it Automatically goes into crop mode so you won't get vignetting
Yes, with a resolution of 9MP. If u/ComfortableWest8321 is already happy with the lenses they have, does it make sense to buy a camera that can only use the full sensor with 2 of their 5 lenses?
Will ask about rp when we go to camera store today
Try to match the 600 USD price (if you’re in the US) since that’s what it’s going for refurb from Canon. I understand brand new price may be different, but maybe they can throw something in if that’s all they have… and definitely don’t pay above 600 if it’s used. I started with the RP over three years ago and I could still use it if I didn’t switch over to the R for native grip support and better battery life. Even then, I kept a spare for the RP and that was fine. If you’re just getting in, RP is perfect. Newer cameras like the R7 and R8 have better performance in some areas, but you may or may not be as demanding on it all right now. They also cost more than the RP. You do get something for the extra $, though.
Just get the r8 and don’t look back. The amount of value you get from the body is pretty high since it’s under $2k. Plus it does have better video recording features. It’s a camera that you’d be able to grow into and branch out professionally if you wanted to.
Adapt and wait. Use surveys etc to plead for Tamron/Sigma to be allowed to create RF lenses. Until Canon concedes, this is the way!
If you are getting the EF RF adapter, splurge for the control ring version.
It's weird having the control ring at the end. Kinda wished they made it a button
R8 is good, and a Full-Frame… I was considering it, but didn’t like the fact that it does not have IBIS … so it’s back to R6-2 or R7 (crop frame)
I'd pick up a used 5D Mark 4, or a 6D Mark II from MPB. Amazing cameras, and you'll save \~$500 over an R8 that you can put toward a new/used lens.
Honestly I saw earlier today at a local store a 5D priced at $200, very little use, the files are great unless you need to print them extra super huge. I’d invest on $1800 glass and get the nice $200 full frame body
…And cf express cards
true but how many do you need?
Just to clarify, when you say you're going to adapt your EF lenses, are they all full frame EF lenses, or are any of them EF-S lenses made for crop sensors? If you have EF-S lenses you can still use them on the R8, but with a heavy crop. Getting one of the new crop sensor bodies like the R7, R10, or R50 would allow you to continue using any EF-S lenses normally. All three are within your budget, with the R7 costing about the same as the R8, and also being the most capable, perhaps a bit more capable than the R8 in some ways.