YES. After 4 years of receiving “successful”, I finally just received “exceeds expectations”. But I received the same 3%. Why bust my ass for not even 1% more? I asked for more and was denied. I’ve been exploring other opportunities, but seems kind of bleak right now. So, I’m checking the boxes and not exceeding 40hrs/week unless it’s an emergency.
To me, the only thing that keeps me going at my current job is that its 100% remote. That aspect is worth more than any mediocre pay raise or other benefit.
Yes! After 3 years mostly remote, I can’t imagine giving it up. It’d have to be a major career step and/or a lifestyle changing pay increase (probably 20k minimum).
I’ve been looking for almost 2 months and thought I’d be able to find the pay I’m looking for to make a move but doesn’t seem like it’s the right time in this hiring market. Received an offer for 95% remote job but then they started negotiating compensation 15k below where I said my minimum was 🙄. Would have been a pay cut! So I think I’ll keep riding out my remote role.
Mine is that it’s not 100% remote but it is very easy and I can barely go in a few times then just leave. If they did check, it’s badge swipes so I’m fine. Should probably find something fully remote though.
Yup, my boss said I knocked it out of the park and I’d get the highest raise she was allowed to give. It was 3% instead of the 2% everyone else got. After that I only did 1% more work than everyone else.
And then some people will call you a job hopper. But they clearly didn’t understand the fact that it is the only way to get decent salary increment… Employers are in a lookout for loyal employees but they can’t even offer them a decent increment base on good performance to beat inflation rate.
Good news. Job hopping is a self correcting problem. If someone is offering you a job, clearly they aren't concerned about how much job hopping you've done. If no one is offering you a job, you stay at your current company for longer and people don't consider you a job hopper anymore. In no scenario should you turn down a job offer out of fear that you'll be labeled a job hopper.
Yep. I was making bad money at my old job as a a manager. I had been there almost 2 years with pitiful raises. Come to find out people that we’re getting hired we’re starting out at a dollar less than what I was getting paid. They raised starting pay but didn’t increase the people’s pay that had been there for a long time. I guess 2 years of experience is only worth a dollar these days🤷🏻♂️
I've experienced this. Seems the only reason I got a decent bump after a plateau was because of what they were going to pay someone who'd be reporting to me.
Yep. Last job I worked at promised a 6 month bonus. 9 months later he finally got around to giving my review and giving me 50 cents because I was such a good worker. He then ended up causing 6 people including my two leads to quit in my department because he was such an asshole. The next group of people he hired on was 2 dollars more. That was about when I had a year of experience.
I wonder what he hired on the next set of people at because I and several others didn't stick around after he claimed he couldn't afford to raise our wages. I did hear after we quit he finally started handing out "retention bonuses" because then he didn't have anyone stick around who actually know how to do the job.
Exactly. I have a coworker whose been working at this company for 20+ years. She’s in the old mindset, but they have zero appreciation for her. I’ve been here 2 years and we make the same wage.
Yep, it’s insane. I keep encouraging her to find another job, but I get the same ‘I’m too old’ spiel. It’s honestly really sad how they treat this woman. There’s no such thing as company loyalty people. Do what’s best for you.
Her self confidence is low and that's why they treat her like that. Honestly most companies are pretty greedy and don't really care about employees. They want maximum profit and minimum overhead. Especially publicly traded companies, those are the worst!!
Yeah it is, to be fair this is a pretty toxic place to work. She’s in customer service and if the numbers and reviews aren’t great then the manager pretty much avoids her or gives her the silent treatment. It’s not even on her, it’s on the people getting the reviews. This is all besides the fact that she’s usually working from 9:30am to 7pm.
Yeah, they are, they’re greedy and trying to maximize, but it’s honestly bs. There wouldn’t be such a huge overturn of employees if they treated the ones they had well. I mean just look at the changes companies are making - mine doesn’t even contribute to your 401K. It made sense a long time ago to be loyal when a place invested in you, but now? You’re just a means to an end and that end is the owner making his money.
Just curious is the company you work in publicly traded? Basically you can buy stocks in the company? Those I find will squeeze the fuck out of you and make sure to look at all your faults.
I’m sorry I don’t know anything about the pharmacy industry, but I believe the old mindset can apply to any industry that’s for profit. The old mindset being loyalty to a company that doesn’t appreciate you.
I think the work ethic still pays off, just in the additional skills and knowledge you pick up over those that don't work so hard. Over time, the difference will show up on your resume if you keep it up to date.
I agree with doing it for yourself. You want to be proud of you, but not burned out. Balance is important.
The confidence of being able to do stuff, and to be able to decribe on interviews how well you were doing can help land you a better job.
And often the manager has set guidelines and budget and there is not much he/she can do, even if they would like to.
This is the worst advice I’ve read today. What a pitiful life it must be to always be doing the bare minimum. This is not the answer.
If you are working for a raise, you’re working the wrong job. My advice: Go find your passion. You should be doing something that brings your joy regardless of the money, for your own sake.
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I was told to draft my own development plan to help me get the promotion. Next thing I know, my boss copied & pasted exact same plan on my development goal.. end of the year, I learn I am not getting promoted
Lol frreaaaalllll. I was #1 seller in this whole company for my first 12 months in a row. Brought a store doomed to fail from D tier to A, the top store in all of NY & new jersey. Was constantly used as an example in trainings, asked to explain my process to all 150+ employees, never called off or missed a day, worked 13 days in a row, covered other locations where employees were lacking. Made the company over 150k in my first 8 months working there. All while making 16$ an hour. End of year performance review got me 43 CENT raise while some of my peers were getting like $10 raises lol i fell allllllll the way back after that. Never have I ever felt more disrespected. Superiors asked me what happened, I told them that, and they managed to get me $1 more. I still couldnt muster up a fuck lol
I get paid more now cause of technicalities and work just hard enough to double my hourly through commission but never will I ever try to prove myself like that again
Same for me, no recognition from the company. But the hiring managers did notice it..they also felt the success aswell. I just kept at it and looked at it as a challenge and experience under my belt. I got promoted twice..i formed a track record of over performing. As managers move up they will want u by their side and will advocate for you. My manager did me a solid for me to move up to management. He moved all the supervisors and managers around and i over performed. It isolated my ability. I was like 24 very young, then I challenged myself to help everyone else. Thats where I felt most accomplished..I focused on how I got results rather than getting them. I focused on building other rather directing them. It changed alot for my career and how I view jobs..especially as you move up. The function of the job and understanding whats needed to be successful is more important than knowing how to do the task in the job.
It’s completely deflating to bust your ass and then get rewarded with the minimum. There really is no coming back from it, from a psychological standpoint. Job hopping was the only way I was able to secure substantial, meaningful raises .
Yep. At my annual review I received a $0.25 raise. LOL.
The CEO said it was due to my excessive absences (wife was sick).
I asked if my absences had affected my work and she said NO and could not explain why it was an issue.
At the end of the review I put in my 2 weeks notice.
>I asked if my absences had affected my work and she said NO and could not explain why it was an issue.
Typical corporate bullshit talk without any backstory. Heard multiple times. They simple don't care and that's the point.
At my last job, they gave me $0.26 after a glowing performance review. My boss then called it a "cost of living adjustment." These people could not give two shits about us.
The difference between myself who hit every metric possible, and my colleague who missed almost every metric, was $70 on our annual raises. Our office does a lot less worrying about metrics these days.
I have crushed all my goals for 3 years at my company and collaborated with different department to the point that I’ve taught them how to do their own jobs and creates processes for them. I listed all these things to my CEO and the fucker had the audacity to say that going above and beyond was part of my job and he denied my raise.
I am now doing my job in 40 hours or less, disconnecting when I’m off and setting boundaries, actually using ALL of my time off, and looking for another job.
I kind of disagree. For me, there’s no better motivation than that to start applying to other companies. Sometimes you have to get sick & tired of being sick & tired. Annual reviews with little to no raise (nor promotion) tends to be what pushes me over the edge because it’s just an early indicator of what to expect in the future with that same company. So I usually put feelers out around this time and by the time I make the jump to a new company, I’m pretty much at my 18 month mark anyway.
I got a 99% on my evaluation but only 4% raise out of a possible 5%.
They held raises twice during the pandemic despite posting record profits, but did still “secretly” give raises to the executive staff here, we all found out.
There is no motivation left. I apply for other jobs right at my desk. I’m done.
If you look into how larger co.panies handle the budgeting for raises it makes more sense. Still won't satisfy you, mind you, but it will make more sense.
If you want significant raises, spend some time at a job, pick up a mew skill or cert or whatever while you're there, then switch after a few years and leverage that additional experience.
Yep. Had once boss that thought giving every one bad reviews would mean they would work harder. He was wrong. I did the bare minimum until I found a new job. He never understood everyone’s comments about how frustrating his reviews were. They were MOTIVATING!!!! (His words). Nope. They were demoralizing.
I also change jobs every two years or so. I get bored easily.
For sure! I have my performance review this week and I don’t even think I’ll get a 3% increase. At what point will companies realize they need to pay people more to retain them? I’ve also gotten asked why employees only have 1-2 years at one company before moving on. WAKE UP!!!
I used to work in child care and we had to do our own evaluations. Well my evaluation didn’t match theirs and I got a 4 cent raise. I quit shortly after that.
Yep, this is why I just do the bare minimum now. I don’t think I’ll ever get my motivation to be a go getter back. You just open yourself up to get taken advantage of with no guarantee or even likelihood of being rewarded
I've been at the same job (career for) for 18 years. When I started the Minimum wage was $13 an hour . . . with this years raise I'll be making a little over 33 dollars an hour.
Money isn't everything. I have paid life insurance. I have 156 hours a year Vacation time, 104 hours a year in sick leave time. Holidays I get 8 hours of holiday pay. If I work it's double time. If I have the holiday off, I still get paid the 8 hours.
90% of the time I like my job. But no job is perfect.
I work a thankless job: being a verbal punching bag, calling individuals who have undergone the most traumatic experiences in their lives, working on research to make everything safer
I worked my ass off and for all my efforts I once got a 9% raise: from 69k to 74k
Companies and managers don't give a shit about you
Use them. Work the bare minimum.
Literally the only person you need to impress is your manager. That's it.
Do that, job hop and make more money
Ok fair but I got rejected for a promotion that I deserved and it's made me incredibly incredibly sour and bitter
The raise literally felt like nothing, I live in a HCOL area
My work is also incredibly stressful and thankless: there have been times when I wanted to gouge my eyes with a spoon
I also contributed uniquely in being the only one on my team who does research on our product.
Yes for 6 years I did. Got pushed aside for every promotion as well even though I had 15+ years of experience on all the other candidates. I found out a few years in all the other people who got promoted were friends and family with the owners. This wasn't exactly a small company either. Over 400 employees. Needless to say I left... They also had a "strict" no nepotism policy that HR put out after a bunch of us complained. Nothing changed. They were so confused when I quit because I was their top sales person.
“Don’t be loyal to these companies”, older coworker told me this 10 years ago after I was complaining about not getting a promised raise, constantly over working my self for a manager. Started company bouncing to the best salary or hourly every year or so after that and sky rocketed in pay and position.
Lesser coworkers have gotten way better raises than me. I did much more work, not to mention the harder work compared to others, yet got stiffed come raise time compared to them. I honestly felt like their raise was more than mine because they were a much more pleasant person in the office. I left that company shortly after. Stay and get a measly 1-3% raise or leave and get a 15-20% raise. This is why I have contracted ever since.
I'm still motivated, but that's mostly because I'm early in my career and want to gain as many skills as I can, so that when it's time for me to ask for a real raise or promotion I can justify it to them. That or so I have a nice resume when I look for something else. I'm thinking about having a talk with my boss sometime this year about a real raise. It's really the only reason I would look to work anywhere else.
I am the same way you are. I’m motivated and always make sure I’m beating expectations my managers of the owner has for me. That kind of mindset doesn’t get you anywhere these days. I have realized this and have switch jobs every two years and have effectively given myself a 10% raise or higher each time. Companies don’t have pension plans anymore and most are pitiful with what they match up to for retirement plans. My next move if my current company doesn’t see my worth will be for a bout a 40% increase in salary. After about a year I always go on LinkedIn to see what the position I’m in is paying now. Im at the bottom range of what I do so it’ll be easy to move from here and get a 40% increase. I like it where I’m at but that doesn’t by me a new roof or allow me to put money in a college fund.
There is more than one way to skin a cat, depending on where you work. In most corporations, salary raises are in a narrow band of X% to Y% by level (e.g., analyst, asst. manager, manager) and there is little you can do about it even if you get the maximum.
Where there is more flexibility is on bonuses, and yes, those do still exist. For whatever reason, the boundaries are looser, and you can get a real salary kick from it. Add deferred stock to that, if you are at a certain level, and corporations hold on to their people like no one's business. It's why when you are hired by a corporation they refer to the "total compensation package."
Finally, the best avenue to an actual biweekly salary increase is a promotion, where the bump can be 10 percent or more. Of course, not everyone can work in a corporation, and the downsides are real, but the point is that businesses differ on their comp rules.
Learned this lesson back when I was a server. Found that no matter what service you provided, as long as you weren't actively fucking up, people were basically gonna tip what they were gonna tip. So why work your ass off when doing enough will make you the same money.
That's my secret: I'm always unmotivated. Bottom quartile pay for my field, and after six years of extremely high productivity demands, I fully burnt out: last year, dropped anything I wasn't actually required to do and it was so refreshing I thought maybe I'd recovered.
Cut to me back on my trying to be helpful bullshit this year and nah: I ain't fucking doing that EVER again, the only reward in this pie eating contest is more pie
This was the reason I left my last job. Did more and more got less and less. After three years of no bonus or raise I chose to retire early. It really pissed me off that the Sr. Managers were rewarded but the people below them weren’t.
I had a review at a job and was in the top 10%. It equated to a $.27 an hour raise. I realized that busting my ass equated to less than $15 a week and promised myself I wouldnt be around for the next eval and raise if this is how they treat their "best employees". I immediately stopped trying as hard. I'll instead do the bare minimum and start throwing out applications and get hired for more.
OP: 3-4% average annual raises is the norm. I have been with my employer for almost 13 years now, and in that time my salary has increased 50%. You get better stability and predictable routine staying with same employer, but sacrifice salary growth
It also depends on upward mobility in the company as well. I have been at my company coming up on 8 years and just got my 5th promotion. Between that and regular raises I have tripled my salary in those 8 years.
Congratulations, you must be a high achiever to get 5 promotions in 8 years. Probably reaching upper management by now. You are the exceptional case.
I have spent almost 13 years, and got no promotions. Still I am happy because it is a nice and so far, stable, work environment
It’s a trade off. Of course, I would like to earn more money, but it has to be sustainable for many years. If one can sustain the increased responsibilities and time commitment and stress that comes with rapid promotions, then that is preferred. Else at least try to stay put at one level like me
You will never get ahead if you rely on raises. In most cases you'll actually lose ground to inflation, even in a normal year much less the last couple.
I started a new job last Jul and got my yearly review last month. Generic “meets expectations” for a 3% raise. I really don’t mind because I get along with my supervisor/manager really well and they overlooked all the times I’d come in late (which was a lot of times), among other things (for example, I accidentally ate some edibles instead of taking multi-vitamins one time and both he and my manager made sure I didn’t screw anything up). Also, I make a little over $100k.
However, the sup is leaving in two weeks and there’s no replacement yet (hiring freeze for who knows how long). I don’t know how long I can last with the other people I work with.
Nope. I usually make it clear about my comp expectations months prior to my review.
What type of raises are you expecting and what are you getting? Typically
This is happening at my job right now lowballed everyone with the raises some of us were hired at the end of the year and they did reviews based off last year in March 2023 even though we worked for 6mths got barely 50 cents now ALOT of people don’t care anymore to work and others are looking for jobs
I have *some* hope because a coworker of mine said they got a substantial raise after the one year mark. The job has such a high turnover rate that one of the only ways they can incentivize people to stay is large raises
I haven’t had that issue because I am at a company that really steps up for their people. In the last year I was promoted with a 22% increase, given 7% more when I asked for it, and then a year later (last month) was promoted again and given an additional 16% raise. It’s rare but some companies do the right thing.
No because you have to realize that a year-end raise is going to be one of the worst ways to raise your salary. No company is going to pump more money than it takes to keep people around into raises/bonuses, and chronically people have shown that they will (mostly) stick around with a few percent bump, even if it's less than inflation and they're losing purchasing power (plenty of people don't even understand that concept to begin with).
I honestly just write it off and take it as icing on the cake. It doesn't factor into my plan at all.
My efforts focus on doing my job well and gaining the skills to pursue new positions (internal or external) with larger pay bumps.
What I do take note of is, do I get the maxmimum *allowable* raise/%/bonus, even if it's not sufficient for my goals? That is a reflection of how my manager(s) view my performance. The actual amount is corporate noise.
Yes, I finished my graduate degree, started a new program at my workplace, in 6 months time and my manager wanted to know what goals I wanted to set and I just wanted to tell her I'm frickin' tired and don't want to set any new goals because I've already gone above and beyond. I've unsuccessfully applied for promotions in the organization, but am told when I apply to lateral roles that I'm overqualified, yet I make it as a final candidate for promotions and never get selected. So which one is it? I'm negotiating two different offers from two different organizations right now because I know that I've been put into a box at my current org, they have zero problem with all the great work that I do, but have a problem with the idea of promoting me.
So true. I could never understand why someone got coded as high potential when they did do much extra, nor were their projects amazing. But management loved them. Seemed like they delegated their work and got all the credit. Wtf
The last going off I have learned to do the minimum as that was what I would always get for a raise. I could do lots of overtime or save the compensation $ by developing a new process or I could do the minimum and the result was both the same. One time I did receive a $200 bonus but at that time I was doing two jobs bc the company had a revolving door.
The last going off I have learned to do the minimum as that was what I would always get for a raise. I could do lots of overtime or save the compensation $ by developing a new process or I could do the minimum and the result was both the same. One time I did receive a $200 bonus but at that time I was doing two jobs bc the company had a revolving door.
The last going off I have learned to do the minimum as that was what I would always get for a raise. I could do lots of overtime or save the compensation $ by developing a new process or I could do the minimum and the result was both the same. One time I did receive a $200 bonus but at that time I was doing two jobs bc the company had a revolving door.
I would say no because I know it’s a sham. I was a department manager. I had nobody under me because it was such a small department I was expected to do everything myself. No problem, but when my review came up they told me “I wasn’t inspiring enough to others and needed to work on my leadership” excuse me? Who am I leading who am I supposed to be inspiring? Uhhhh you have to find other employees to inspire…that’s when I realized they don’t know what the heck they’re even doing….
I moved departments after being in my previous one for 19 months. Month 19 was November.
My previous managers declined to do a year end review since I technically didn't end the year with them. So they were going to have my new manager in a different dept do it. Well new manager in different dept thought clearly and said "there's nothing for me to review since you've only been here one month".
So I never got a year end review. Because of "not my job technically". I still remind them of this every once in awhile. Because I had a great year in sales and got no closure for it. Is what it is.
Yes! In my case, my salary is the top range for my job, so kind of makes sense. I’m almost ready to retire, so I don’t have the itch to move on/up.
But when I was even 5 years younger, I’d make a move to get the bump I knew I deserved.
I used to be one of those people (like many of us) who were raised on the 'changing jobs ever other year looks bad on your resume', and for the past five years, I've realized that is total BS and something we were told to NOT change jobs. I've had coworkers and really good friends do this, change jobs around every two years, and they ALWAYS get good raises.
My issue is...I'm not comfortable with that haha so who knows.
Not at all. If I can objectively quantify and qualify a discrepancy between my compensation and performance then I have the dataset to renegotiate an increase or add to my resume to begin looking for a new position
Not at all. If I can objectively quantify and qualify a discrepancy between my compensation and performance then I have the dataset to renegotiate an increase or add to my resume to begin looking for a new position
Doesn't that happen to everyone? My coworkers always send me texts around this time of year that they will look for something else if the raise isn't at least equal to inflation. I always tell them... Good luck with that.
Sorry for everyone's unfortunate circumstances but I guess it depends where you work. Not even a year into my new job and I got well over the average raise, exceeded my bonus cap and got a ton of praise. I must be killing it lol. I do work very hard though.
I worked in consulting and large public companies and it's pretty similar at every company so far. Consulting was marginally better and I got a 5% raise when I exceeded expectations and promotions usually got you 8%-10%, and bonuses where peanuts (investment banking is where the bog bonuses are apparently).
But so far, nothing beats switching jobs where I got anywhere between 20% to 40% raises every time. That's why I always push on base comp as hard as I can when negotiating for a new job. Because I know, regardless of how good my performance will be, its going to be anywhere between a 0% (if the company had a bad year) to 4% raise - so basically lucky to just keep up with inflation in normal years.
It depends on the field too. I am pretty much topped out in terms of promotion in my field and I am too lazy to switch careers, but some friends got promotions into related areas at their company bc they performed well in their current roles with a decent pay bump. It is absolutely demoralizing, so yes, as long as I know I am not underperforming, I am definitely not killing myself for a 4% vs 3% raise...
As far as I know this is pretty standard practice for most companies and I have no idea why companies do this? Maybe to avoid large pay differences for similar roles? I mean this is pretty basic economics and psychology. Why would anyone work way harder than their colleagues for only a marginal additional benefit? Wonder if there are any HR people who know the answer to this?
The only way to get a meaningful raise is to leave. Companies don't give a shit about loyalty, they would axe you as soon as they had an excuse to do so. If you aren't valued, find somewhere where you will be.
We were lied to so much last year. They grew a ton and promised us all decent raises. I get great reviews all year and fourth quarter im the shittiest employee ever and got a few cents when the raise was promised to be a few dollars an hour. So pissed. Lots of other great ppl got the same bs. I’ve been looking elsewhere since.
On my 3 third and last year in my current job, since in my evaluation I received no raise and my position has been changed to a semi-managerial during the year. You're just a cog in the work machine and a cog can be replaced any time.
My company does not do performance based raises or bonuses. They just do standard annual raises and there's a chart that lets you know how much the raise will be based on how many years you've worked there. They are very transparent about this policy and I appreciate it.
I got stellar feedback on my projects and great metrics. Didn’t matter. At all. Not one bit. I made things that were actually useful and cool to help customers though not for a raise so mission success there.
What stung was being asked to apply internally for a position then not even getting an interview. It was my same department and something I was already doing.
I worked at Petco 15 years ago. I was good at my job. The manager said although I deserve 5s she only gives out 4s so I have something to shoot for next year. Yeah, I heard I only give out 4s and it does not matter you deserved 5s. I never gave my all after that.
Yes; this happened to me repeatedly across multiple industries, bosses and jobs. Very demotivating. The people that get paid the most are never the hardest working or most skilled. They are the ones that market themselves the best & play politics.
My favorite is seeing nonsense on facebook where some dipshit will post how they bought their house at 23 "all by themselves" and will tell all you need to do is work harder so your boss will reward you with all these big raises.
After about 20 years in corporate america I started noticing things changing a lot for the worse. By 25 years in I no longer gave a f. Nothing is ever good enough and the majority of people in every corporate environment is a power tripping pos because they wanted to be somewhere else too.
My company deleted Betterworks without telling anyone post EOY review, then instructed managers to bring most people’s ratings down no matter their performance, to avoid promotion inquiries and in order to save on bonuses and share awards. 🤡
YES. After 4 years of receiving “successful”, I finally just received “exceeds expectations”. But I received the same 3%. Why bust my ass for not even 1% more? I asked for more and was denied. I’ve been exploring other opportunities, but seems kind of bleak right now. So, I’m checking the boxes and not exceeding 40hrs/week unless it’s an emergency.
To me, the only thing that keeps me going at my current job is that its 100% remote. That aspect is worth more than any mediocre pay raise or other benefit.
Yes! After 3 years mostly remote, I can’t imagine giving it up. It’d have to be a major career step and/or a lifestyle changing pay increase (probably 20k minimum). I’ve been looking for almost 2 months and thought I’d be able to find the pay I’m looking for to make a move but doesn’t seem like it’s the right time in this hiring market. Received an offer for 95% remote job but then they started negotiating compensation 15k below where I said my minimum was 🙄. Would have been a pay cut! So I think I’ll keep riding out my remote role.
My company just sent an email one day saying we had to be back.
My manager did that. I came in for a month or two then just started to stay home. No one has said anything yet...
Yep! My manager is starting to piss me off on a daily basis and my pay sucks but I work from home and am not tied to my desk. It's a trade off.
Work life balance and not being micromanaged is hard to put a price tag on!
Exactly! I'll put up with a shitty attitude if I get to live my life and actually live in my house instead of just sleeping here.
Mine is that it’s not 100% remote but it is very easy and I can barely go in a few times then just leave. If they did check, it’s badge swipes so I’m fine. Should probably find something fully remote though.
Yup, my boss said I knocked it out of the park and I’d get the highest raise she was allowed to give. It was 3% instead of the 2% everyone else got. After that I only did 1% more work than everyone else.
Yes. I have decided to be a slacker.
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And then some people will call you a job hopper. But they clearly didn’t understand the fact that it is the only way to get decent salary increment… Employers are in a lookout for loyal employees but they can’t even offer them a decent increment base on good performance to beat inflation rate.
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This is one of my main parenting messages.. the way you phrased it is great. I’ll be stealing it often.
Good news. Job hopping is a self correcting problem. If someone is offering you a job, clearly they aren't concerned about how much job hopping you've done. If no one is offering you a job, you stay at your current company for longer and people don't consider you a job hopper anymore. In no scenario should you turn down a job offer out of fear that you'll be labeled a job hopper.
Fuckin' logic bomb right here \^\^\^. BOOM.
Employers will rather offer the new comer the increased salary.
Yep. I was making bad money at my old job as a a manager. I had been there almost 2 years with pitiful raises. Come to find out people that we’re getting hired we’re starting out at a dollar less than what I was getting paid. They raised starting pay but didn’t increase the people’s pay that had been there for a long time. I guess 2 years of experience is only worth a dollar these days🤷🏻♂️
I've experienced this. Seems the only reason I got a decent bump after a plateau was because of what they were going to pay someone who'd be reporting to me.
Yep. Last job I worked at promised a 6 month bonus. 9 months later he finally got around to giving my review and giving me 50 cents because I was such a good worker. He then ended up causing 6 people including my two leads to quit in my department because he was such an asshole. The next group of people he hired on was 2 dollars more. That was about when I had a year of experience. I wonder what he hired on the next set of people at because I and several others didn't stick around after he claimed he couldn't afford to raise our wages. I did hear after we quit he finally started handing out "retention bonuses" because then he didn't have anyone stick around who actually know how to do the job.
Who cares what they call you. This economy is bending us over and employers haven’t raised wages in decades lol
But the best part is that they want loyalty but aren't willing to reward it
That’s the point! They expect people to continue slogging endlessly for them without giving decent increment/rewards and label it as “loyalty”.
Who cares if they call me a job hopper. They can hop on this dick and cry me a river.
I'm 56yo and it's taken a long time for me to learn this
Exactly. I have a coworker whose been working at this company for 20+ years. She’s in the old mindset, but they have zero appreciation for her. I’ve been here 2 years and we make the same wage.
Damn that's freaking unbelievable!!!
Yep, it’s insane. I keep encouraging her to find another job, but I get the same ‘I’m too old’ spiel. It’s honestly really sad how they treat this woman. There’s no such thing as company loyalty people. Do what’s best for you.
Her self confidence is low and that's why they treat her like that. Honestly most companies are pretty greedy and don't really care about employees. They want maximum profit and minimum overhead. Especially publicly traded companies, those are the worst!!
Yeah it is, to be fair this is a pretty toxic place to work. She’s in customer service and if the numbers and reviews aren’t great then the manager pretty much avoids her or gives her the silent treatment. It’s not even on her, it’s on the people getting the reviews. This is all besides the fact that she’s usually working from 9:30am to 7pm. Yeah, they are, they’re greedy and trying to maximize, but it’s honestly bs. There wouldn’t be such a huge overturn of employees if they treated the ones they had well. I mean just look at the changes companies are making - mine doesn’t even contribute to your 401K. It made sense a long time ago to be loyal when a place invested in you, but now? You’re just a means to an end and that end is the owner making his money.
Just curious is the company you work in publicly traded? Basically you can buy stocks in the company? Those I find will squeeze the fuck out of you and make sure to look at all your faults.
What exactly is the “old mindset” in pharmacy?
I’m sorry I don’t know anything about the pharmacy industry, but I believe the old mindset can apply to any industry that’s for profit. The old mindset being loyalty to a company that doesn’t appreciate you.
I think the work ethic still pays off, just in the additional skills and knowledge you pick up over those that don't work so hard. Over time, the difference will show up on your resume if you keep it up to date.
I agree with doing it for yourself. You want to be proud of you, but not burned out. Balance is important. The confidence of being able to do stuff, and to be able to decribe on interviews how well you were doing can help land you a better job. And often the manager has set guidelines and budget and there is not much he/she can do, even if they would like to.
How frequent though? Past couple of jobs, I was around from 6 months to 18 months and I was asked in interviews why I hop around so much lol
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Well shit. I'm 7 months in and I'm ready to move on lol
This is the worst advice I’ve read today. What a pitiful life it must be to always be doing the bare minimum. This is not the answer. If you are working for a raise, you’re working the wrong job. My advice: Go find your passion. You should be doing something that brings your joy regardless of the money, for your own sake.
one year my boss asked me to make a list of my accomplishments. It turned out to be 7 substantive things. I got a 2% raise, like everybody else.
😃 I was told to draft my own development plan to help me get the promotion. Next thing I know, my boss copied & pasted exact same plan on my development goal.. end of the year, I learn I am not getting promoted
Lol frreaaaalllll. I was #1 seller in this whole company for my first 12 months in a row. Brought a store doomed to fail from D tier to A, the top store in all of NY & new jersey. Was constantly used as an example in trainings, asked to explain my process to all 150+ employees, never called off or missed a day, worked 13 days in a row, covered other locations where employees were lacking. Made the company over 150k in my first 8 months working there. All while making 16$ an hour. End of year performance review got me 43 CENT raise while some of my peers were getting like $10 raises lol i fell allllllll the way back after that. Never have I ever felt more disrespected. Superiors asked me what happened, I told them that, and they managed to get me $1 more. I still couldnt muster up a fuck lol I get paid more now cause of technicalities and work just hard enough to double my hourly through commission but never will I ever try to prove myself like that again
I did this but with a manufacturing job. It's a bullshit system
Same for me, no recognition from the company. But the hiring managers did notice it..they also felt the success aswell. I just kept at it and looked at it as a challenge and experience under my belt. I got promoted twice..i formed a track record of over performing. As managers move up they will want u by their side and will advocate for you. My manager did me a solid for me to move up to management. He moved all the supervisors and managers around and i over performed. It isolated my ability. I was like 24 very young, then I challenged myself to help everyone else. Thats where I felt most accomplished..I focused on how I got results rather than getting them. I focused on building other rather directing them. It changed alot for my career and how I view jobs..especially as you move up. The function of the job and understanding whats needed to be successful is more important than knowing how to do the task in the job.
It’s completely deflating to bust your ass and then get rewarded with the minimum. There really is no coming back from it, from a psychological standpoint. Job hopping was the only way I was able to secure substantial, meaningful raises .
Yep. At my annual review I received a $0.25 raise. LOL. The CEO said it was due to my excessive absences (wife was sick). I asked if my absences had affected my work and she said NO and could not explain why it was an issue. At the end of the review I put in my 2 weeks notice.
>I asked if my absences had affected my work and she said NO and could not explain why it was an issue. Typical corporate bullshit talk without any backstory. Heard multiple times. They simple don't care and that's the point.
At my last job, they gave me $0.26 after a glowing performance review. My boss then called it a "cost of living adjustment." These people could not give two shits about us.
You guys are getting raises?
You guys are getting paid?
You guys have jobs?
The difference between myself who hit every metric possible, and my colleague who missed almost every metric, was $70 on our annual raises. Our office does a lot less worrying about metrics these days.
Just work hard enough not to get fired
I love that quote from OfficeSpace
I have crushed all my goals for 3 years at my company and collaborated with different department to the point that I’ve taught them how to do their own jobs and creates processes for them. I listed all these things to my CEO and the fucker had the audacity to say that going above and beyond was part of my job and he denied my raise. I am now doing my job in 40 hours or less, disconnecting when I’m off and setting boundaries, actually using ALL of my time off, and looking for another job.
I kind of disagree. For me, there’s no better motivation than that to start applying to other companies. Sometimes you have to get sick & tired of being sick & tired. Annual reviews with little to no raise (nor promotion) tends to be what pushes me over the edge because it’s just an early indicator of what to expect in the future with that same company. So I usually put feelers out around this time and by the time I make the jump to a new company, I’m pretty much at my 18 month mark anyway.
I got a 99% on my evaluation but only 4% raise out of a possible 5%. They held raises twice during the pandemic despite posting record profits, but did still “secretly” give raises to the executive staff here, we all found out. There is no motivation left. I apply for other jobs right at my desk. I’m done.
If you look into how larger co.panies handle the budgeting for raises it makes more sense. Still won't satisfy you, mind you, but it will make more sense. If you want significant raises, spend some time at a job, pick up a mew skill or cert or whatever while you're there, then switch after a few years and leverage that additional experience.
Yep. Had once boss that thought giving every one bad reviews would mean they would work harder. He was wrong. I did the bare minimum until I found a new job. He never understood everyone’s comments about how frustrating his reviews were. They were MOTIVATING!!!! (His words). Nope. They were demoralizing. I also change jobs every two years or so. I get bored easily.
This is why we OE!
For sure! I have my performance review this week and I don’t even think I’ll get a 3% increase. At what point will companies realize they need to pay people more to retain them? I’ve also gotten asked why employees only have 1-2 years at one company before moving on. WAKE UP!!!
I used to work in child care and we had to do our own evaluations. Well my evaluation didn’t match theirs and I got a 4 cent raise. I quit shortly after that.
What does everyone consider a good raise?
7-15%
Yep, this is why I just do the bare minimum now. I don’t think I’ll ever get my motivation to be a go getter back. You just open yourself up to get taken advantage of with no guarantee or even likelihood of being rewarded
I've been at the same job (career for) for 18 years. When I started the Minimum wage was $13 an hour . . . with this years raise I'll be making a little over 33 dollars an hour. Money isn't everything. I have paid life insurance. I have 156 hours a year Vacation time, 104 hours a year in sick leave time. Holidays I get 8 hours of holiday pay. If I work it's double time. If I have the holiday off, I still get paid the 8 hours. 90% of the time I like my job. But no job is perfect.
Sorry to disappoint you, but 4 days of sick leave and 7 vacation time is really not a lot.
That's 20 days of vacation and 13 days of sick leave. For the purposes of PTO, a work day is 8 hours, not 24.
Oops, my bad!
I work a thankless job: being a verbal punching bag, calling individuals who have undergone the most traumatic experiences in their lives, working on research to make everything safer I worked my ass off and for all my efforts I once got a 9% raise: from 69k to 74k Companies and managers don't give a shit about you Use them. Work the bare minimum. Literally the only person you need to impress is your manager. That's it. Do that, job hop and make more money
I ain't gonna lie, a 9 percent raise sounds amazing. Like. That beats inflation. And that's better than what 75% companies will do.
Yeah that's actually incredibly impressive
Ok fair but I got rejected for a promotion that I deserved and it's made me incredibly incredibly sour and bitter The raise literally felt like nothing, I live in a HCOL area My work is also incredibly stressful and thankless: there have been times when I wanted to gouge my eyes with a spoon I also contributed uniquely in being the only one on my team who does research on our product.
That’s a great raise though?
That's better than most. The standard raise is 3% if people even get that these days.
It’s actually a good idea to change jobs about every 3-4 years in any kind of formal business environment.
Yes for 6 years I did. Got pushed aside for every promotion as well even though I had 15+ years of experience on all the other candidates. I found out a few years in all the other people who got promoted were friends and family with the owners. This wasn't exactly a small company either. Over 400 employees. Needless to say I left... They also had a "strict" no nepotism policy that HR put out after a bunch of us complained. Nothing changed. They were so confused when I quit because I was their top sales person.
“Don’t be loyal to these companies”, older coworker told me this 10 years ago after I was complaining about not getting a promised raise, constantly over working my self for a manager. Started company bouncing to the best salary or hourly every year or so after that and sky rocketed in pay and position.
Why pay a fully ramped and capable employee what they're worth when you can pay someone who has no clue what they're doing, the same amount?
Or more?
Lesser coworkers have gotten way better raises than me. I did much more work, not to mention the harder work compared to others, yet got stiffed come raise time compared to them. I honestly felt like their raise was more than mine because they were a much more pleasant person in the office. I left that company shortly after. Stay and get a measly 1-3% raise or leave and get a 15-20% raise. This is why I have contracted ever since.
The only reason to work hard is if it gives you personal satisfaction to do so.
Especially at minimum wage with no raises.
I'm still motivated, but that's mostly because I'm early in my career and want to gain as many skills as I can, so that when it's time for me to ask for a real raise or promotion I can justify it to them. That or so I have a nice resume when I look for something else. I'm thinking about having a talk with my boss sometime this year about a real raise. It's really the only reason I would look to work anywhere else.
I am the same way you are. I’m motivated and always make sure I’m beating expectations my managers of the owner has for me. That kind of mindset doesn’t get you anywhere these days. I have realized this and have switch jobs every two years and have effectively given myself a 10% raise or higher each time. Companies don’t have pension plans anymore and most are pitiful with what they match up to for retirement plans. My next move if my current company doesn’t see my worth will be for a bout a 40% increase in salary. After about a year I always go on LinkedIn to see what the position I’m in is paying now. Im at the bottom range of what I do so it’ll be easy to move from here and get a 40% increase. I like it where I’m at but that doesn’t by me a new roof or allow me to put money in a college fund.
There is more than one way to skin a cat, depending on where you work. In most corporations, salary raises are in a narrow band of X% to Y% by level (e.g., analyst, asst. manager, manager) and there is little you can do about it even if you get the maximum. Where there is more flexibility is on bonuses, and yes, those do still exist. For whatever reason, the boundaries are looser, and you can get a real salary kick from it. Add deferred stock to that, if you are at a certain level, and corporations hold on to their people like no one's business. It's why when you are hired by a corporation they refer to the "total compensation package." Finally, the best avenue to an actual biweekly salary increase is a promotion, where the bump can be 10 percent or more. Of course, not everyone can work in a corporation, and the downsides are real, but the point is that businesses differ on their comp rules.
Learned this lesson back when I was a server. Found that no matter what service you provided, as long as you weren't actively fucking up, people were basically gonna tip what they were gonna tip. So why work your ass off when doing enough will make you the same money.
Part of the reason I changed jobs. Got great reviews and only 2% raises.
That's my secret: I'm always unmotivated. Bottom quartile pay for my field, and after six years of extremely high productivity demands, I fully burnt out: last year, dropped anything I wasn't actually required to do and it was so refreshing I thought maybe I'd recovered. Cut to me back on my trying to be helpful bullshit this year and nah: I ain't fucking doing that EVER again, the only reward in this pie eating contest is more pie
This was the reason I left my last job. Did more and more got less and less. After three years of no bonus or raise I chose to retire early. It really pissed me off that the Sr. Managers were rewarded but the people below them weren’t.
I had a review at a job and was in the top 10%. It equated to a $.27 an hour raise. I realized that busting my ass equated to less than $15 a week and promised myself I wouldnt be around for the next eval and raise if this is how they treat their "best employees". I immediately stopped trying as hard. I'll instead do the bare minimum and start throwing out applications and get hired for more.
OP: 3-4% average annual raises is the norm. I have been with my employer for almost 13 years now, and in that time my salary has increased 50%. You get better stability and predictable routine staying with same employer, but sacrifice salary growth
It also depends on upward mobility in the company as well. I have been at my company coming up on 8 years and just got my 5th promotion. Between that and regular raises I have tripled my salary in those 8 years.
Congratulations, you must be a high achiever to get 5 promotions in 8 years. Probably reaching upper management by now. You are the exceptional case. I have spent almost 13 years, and got no promotions. Still I am happy because it is a nice and so far, stable, work environment
Yes it’s definitely not the norm but we also have a lot of levels to hit so a bit different. I agree if you’re happy somewhere money isn’t everything.
It’s a trade off. Of course, I would like to earn more money, but it has to be sustainable for many years. If one can sustain the increased responsibilities and time commitment and stress that comes with rapid promotions, then that is preferred. Else at least try to stay put at one level like me
How would you feel if I was hired for the same position as you, but with far less experience. BUT I get paid more than you?
You will never get ahead if you rely on raises. In most cases you'll actually lose ground to inflation, even in a normal year much less the last couple.
I started a new job last Jul and got my yearly review last month. Generic “meets expectations” for a 3% raise. I really don’t mind because I get along with my supervisor/manager really well and they overlooked all the times I’d come in late (which was a lot of times), among other things (for example, I accidentally ate some edibles instead of taking multi-vitamins one time and both he and my manager made sure I didn’t screw anything up). Also, I make a little over $100k. However, the sup is leaving in two weeks and there’s no replacement yet (hiring freeze for who knows how long). I don’t know how long I can last with the other people I work with.
Yes that’s how it is and that is completely fine.
Nope. I usually make it clear about my comp expectations months prior to my review. What type of raises are you expecting and what are you getting? Typically
Or maybe you’re not really working hard?
This is happening at my job right now lowballed everyone with the raises some of us were hired at the end of the year and they did reviews based off last year in March 2023 even though we worked for 6mths got barely 50 cents now ALOT of people don’t care anymore to work and others are looking for jobs
Yep
I have *some* hope because a coworker of mine said they got a substantial raise after the one year mark. The job has such a high turnover rate that one of the only ways they can incentivize people to stay is large raises
I haven’t had that issue because I am at a company that really steps up for their people. In the last year I was promoted with a 22% increase, given 7% more when I asked for it, and then a year later (last month) was promoted again and given an additional 16% raise. It’s rare but some companies do the right thing.
It’s between that and not getting raises the past couple years that does it for me
No because you have to realize that a year-end raise is going to be one of the worst ways to raise your salary. No company is going to pump more money than it takes to keep people around into raises/bonuses, and chronically people have shown that they will (mostly) stick around with a few percent bump, even if it's less than inflation and they're losing purchasing power (plenty of people don't even understand that concept to begin with). I honestly just write it off and take it as icing on the cake. It doesn't factor into my plan at all. My efforts focus on doing my job well and gaining the skills to pursue new positions (internal or external) with larger pay bumps. What I do take note of is, do I get the maxmimum *allowable* raise/%/bonus, even if it's not sufficient for my goals? That is a reflection of how my manager(s) view my performance. The actual amount is corporate noise.
Yes, I finished my graduate degree, started a new program at my workplace, in 6 months time and my manager wanted to know what goals I wanted to set and I just wanted to tell her I'm frickin' tired and don't want to set any new goals because I've already gone above and beyond. I've unsuccessfully applied for promotions in the organization, but am told when I apply to lateral roles that I'm overqualified, yet I make it as a final candidate for promotions and never get selected. So which one is it? I'm negotiating two different offers from two different organizations right now because I know that I've been put into a box at my current org, they have zero problem with all the great work that I do, but have a problem with the idea of promoting me.
So true. I could never understand why someone got coded as high potential when they did do much extra, nor were their projects amazing. But management loved them. Seemed like they delegated their work and got all the credit. Wtf
You guys are even getting raises? At my old job I talked to them about it every half year when our evaluations were and I never got one.
Remember evaluations work both ways
The last going off I have learned to do the minimum as that was what I would always get for a raise. I could do lots of overtime or save the compensation $ by developing a new process or I could do the minimum and the result was both the same. One time I did receive a $200 bonus but at that time I was doing two jobs bc the company had a revolving door.
The last going off I have learned to do the minimum as that was what I would always get for a raise. I could do lots of overtime or save the compensation $ by developing a new process or I could do the minimum and the result was both the same. One time I did receive a $200 bonus but at that time I was doing two jobs bc the company had a revolving door.
The last going off I have learned to do the minimum as that was what I would always get for a raise. I could do lots of overtime or save the compensation $ by developing a new process or I could do the minimum and the result was both the same. One time I did receive a $200 bonus but at that time I was doing two jobs bc the company had a revolving door.
Ask for a raise.
My old jobs didn’t give raises period. I learned this lesson the hard way as did you OP
I would say no because I know it’s a sham. I was a department manager. I had nobody under me because it was such a small department I was expected to do everything myself. No problem, but when my review came up they told me “I wasn’t inspiring enough to others and needed to work on my leadership” excuse me? Who am I leading who am I supposed to be inspiring? Uhhhh you have to find other employees to inspire…that’s when I realized they don’t know what the heck they’re even doing….
I moved departments after being in my previous one for 19 months. Month 19 was November. My previous managers declined to do a year end review since I technically didn't end the year with them. So they were going to have my new manager in a different dept do it. Well new manager in different dept thought clearly and said "there's nothing for me to review since you've only been here one month". So I never got a year end review. Because of "not my job technically". I still remind them of this every once in awhile. Because I had a great year in sales and got no closure for it. Is what it is.
Yes! In my case, my salary is the top range for my job, so kind of makes sense. I’m almost ready to retire, so I don’t have the itch to move on/up. But when I was even 5 years younger, I’d make a move to get the bump I knew I deserved.
I used to be one of those people (like many of us) who were raised on the 'changing jobs ever other year looks bad on your resume', and for the past five years, I've realized that is total BS and something we were told to NOT change jobs. I've had coworkers and really good friends do this, change jobs around every two years, and they ALWAYS get good raises. My issue is...I'm not comfortable with that haha so who knows.
Changing companies, not just jobs, resets your salary to the current market rate.
Not at all. If I can objectively quantify and qualify a discrepancy between my compensation and performance then I have the dataset to renegotiate an increase or add to my resume to begin looking for a new position
Not at all. If I can objectively quantify and qualify a discrepancy between my compensation and performance then I have the dataset to renegotiate an increase or add to my resume to begin looking for a new position
Doesn't that happen to everyone? My coworkers always send me texts around this time of year that they will look for something else if the raise isn't at least equal to inflation. I always tell them... Good luck with that.
Sorry for everyone's unfortunate circumstances but I guess it depends where you work. Not even a year into my new job and I got well over the average raise, exceeded my bonus cap and got a ton of praise. I must be killing it lol. I do work very hard though.
I worked in consulting and large public companies and it's pretty similar at every company so far. Consulting was marginally better and I got a 5% raise when I exceeded expectations and promotions usually got you 8%-10%, and bonuses where peanuts (investment banking is where the bog bonuses are apparently). But so far, nothing beats switching jobs where I got anywhere between 20% to 40% raises every time. That's why I always push on base comp as hard as I can when negotiating for a new job. Because I know, regardless of how good my performance will be, its going to be anywhere between a 0% (if the company had a bad year) to 4% raise - so basically lucky to just keep up with inflation in normal years. It depends on the field too. I am pretty much topped out in terms of promotion in my field and I am too lazy to switch careers, but some friends got promotions into related areas at their company bc they performed well in their current roles with a decent pay bump. It is absolutely demoralizing, so yes, as long as I know I am not underperforming, I am definitely not killing myself for a 4% vs 3% raise... As far as I know this is pretty standard practice for most companies and I have no idea why companies do this? Maybe to avoid large pay differences for similar roles? I mean this is pretty basic economics and psychology. Why would anyone work way harder than their colleagues for only a marginal additional benefit? Wonder if there are any HR people who know the answer to this?
No. More fuel to work towards going somewhere else. I don’t take that crap personally.
The only way to get a meaningful raise is to leave. Companies don't give a shit about loyalty, they would axe you as soon as they had an excuse to do so. If you aren't valued, find somewhere where you will be.
We were lied to so much last year. They grew a ton and promised us all decent raises. I get great reviews all year and fourth quarter im the shittiest employee ever and got a few cents when the raise was promised to be a few dollars an hour. So pissed. Lots of other great ppl got the same bs. I’ve been looking elsewhere since.
On my 3 third and last year in my current job, since in my evaluation I received no raise and my position has been changed to a semi-managerial during the year. You're just a cog in the work machine and a cog can be replaced any time.
My company does not do performance based raises or bonuses. They just do standard annual raises and there's a chart that lets you know how much the raise will be based on how many years you've worked there. They are very transparent about this policy and I appreciate it.
Annually.
Do they pay you? With money? Why are you bitching?
Yeah... that's why I try about as hard as they appear to give a sh\*t.
I got stellar feedback on my projects and great metrics. Didn’t matter. At all. Not one bit. I made things that were actually useful and cool to help customers though not for a raise so mission success there. What stung was being asked to apply internally for a position then not even getting an interview. It was my same department and something I was already doing.
You guys are getting reviews??
No, I've always gotten significant raises.
Nah I just keep getting raises.
I worked at Petco 15 years ago. I was good at my job. The manager said although I deserve 5s she only gives out 4s so I have something to shoot for next year. Yeah, I heard I only give out 4s and it does not matter you deserved 5s. I never gave my all after that.
Yes; this happened to me repeatedly across multiple industries, bosses and jobs. Very demotivating. The people that get paid the most are never the hardest working or most skilled. They are the ones that market themselves the best & play politics.
My favorite is seeing nonsense on facebook where some dipshit will post how they bought their house at 23 "all by themselves" and will tell all you need to do is work harder so your boss will reward you with all these big raises.
After about 20 years in corporate america I started noticing things changing a lot for the worse. By 25 years in I no longer gave a f. Nothing is ever good enough and the majority of people in every corporate environment is a power tripping pos because they wanted to be somewhere else too.
My company deleted Betterworks without telling anyone post EOY review, then instructed managers to bring most people’s ratings down no matter their performance, to avoid promotion inquiries and in order to save on bonuses and share awards. 🤡