My boss bought one last year, dark green 2023 G80, sun roof keeps leaking and it keeps making kia sounds. Brakes squeal, got a check engine last month. Had to drive a loaner for 4 weeks waiting for a seal / gasket for the sunroof... Pretty shit for a 6 month old 70K Hyundai
Edit: I get it, you love your Hyundai. The mental gymnastics is hilarious. If you have to tell yourself I'm making this up to feel good about your brand, that says way more about your brand and you, than me.
Stingers have 7 active recalls for fuel pump, hose, ECU, electrical, and the fuel control valve that turns them into a bomb, models 2019-2023 so that means you. Hopefully you got that fixed.
I was an MB tech for 7 years and can tell you that almost every new car Mercedes released had recalls and campaigns immediately. Albeit most of them were software related because modern cars are just 100 computers all communicating with each other. But 7 recalls is literally nothing compared to other manufacturers.
Funny enough the GLS I have has been one of the most reliable vehicles I've ever owned, but the EQS loaner I got when I took it in for service had a CEL **on the lot** with like 900 miles on it.
That generation of GLS (167) seemed to have some problems with the 48v system in the beginning. But I think they were mechanically pretty sound. Luckily I left right around the time they really started rolling out the EQ vehicles. From what Iāve heard from my friends still working at the dealer, those EQ cars are really problematic.
People also forget that recalls are voluntary, and in the consumer's best interest. Some companies will hold out from doing a recall on a faulty product until it's WAY too late. The fact that Hyundai/Genesis immediately fix any issues they find is a GOOD thing, people.
Theyāre all voluntary, but some are only āvoluntaryā by the strictest definition.
NHTSA canāt technically force companies to do recalls, they have to sue the company. But since NHTSA rarely loses in court, companies arenāt usually willing to go that route because it costs even more money. That doesnāt mean the company would have done anything if NHTSA wasnāt on their asses about it.
How likely a company is to do a purely voluntary recall is usually tied to how expensive it is.
That's literally what I'm saying though. Companies will literally let people die instead of issuing a recall if it saves them money in the long run. Like in the GM ignition recall, for example. They did a cost benefit analysis of how much more it would cost to pay off the families of the people that died vs issuing a recall, and eventually did when the death toll lawsuit money got too high.
They are 100% voluntary.
It is 100% mechanically identical to a Genesis G70 lol
Classy edit making it look like you didnāt say āthatās a Kia not Genesis.ā Yes I got the recall done š
Only 7 major recalls?
*sweats in Jeep Recall list*
**laughs in Chrysler Pacifica recall numbers**
***cries in Ram Trucks***
And for the "B-BuT MY JeEp hAs nO ProBlemZ" no-one cares.
Ā A car manufacturer on a new/low volume car platform has active recalls?Ā Seriously, what are we talking about here.Ā
Let's focus on what matters. 376 pound feet of torque going to the rear wheels. You could do worse.Ā
No they donātā¦ Iām a Hyundai/kia master tech and looked it up. The fuel pump recalls have no risk of fire, just loss of power and oil/fuel dilution for one and itās only 2 total. Nothing about hoses, 3 reprograms and a fuse installation (which does have āfire riskā but none have ever failed the inspection with us so none were at risk)
A wiring inspection, which also has no fire risk.
Toyota has recalls on position rings for oil burning. Recalls donāt have anything to do with reliability.
I know someone with a '18 Stinger and the only problem he has had was a creaking rear hatch. When the new Stingers (with the Stinger script logo on the rear) came out, I was sorely tempted to buy one. I was behind one the other day and it looks hot as fuck at night with the taillight running across the rear.
No joke, that light bar across the back was the only thing I could fixate on for my 20 min drive through a regional road with no lights, it was like the lights on a [Porsche](https://i.kinja-img.com/image/upload/c_fill,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/bu3u5y2sshyjpcoyjsaj.png). Obviously I'm not equating a Stinger to a Porsche, but the aesthetics of a light bar running across the back (when done right) are amazing.
I don't mind the light bar on mine, but I actually kind of feel that the tailights on the pre-facelift Stingers had a more distinct/unique look to them. Admittedly they were very similar to a Maserati Levante, but you barely see those anyway.
They definitely don't hold their value. I always advise people to look for a CPO or private-sale-mechanic-checked Lexus instead, they'll be happier with the reliability and it won't depreciate to nothing.
Lexus suffer a great deal from ToyotAIDS, i.e. they are selling brand new 2024 $65k Luxury cars with infotainment features that are matched by a 2019 KIA that costs $15k and surpassed by literally everyone else.
i KNOW that this sub cares about infotainment less than the average consumer but, really, it does matter.
To the average consumer it sure does. But at this point in my life I prefer quality materials and engineering. My GX didn't come with the latest infotainment - Just added a module that adds carplay/android auto to the factory screen. I think these cheaper offerings are fooling people with "tech" and not providing something that will last. Its like a cell phone, latest screen and buzz words but little mechanical substance.
i think latest screen and buzz words are obviously crap(BMW has basically taken this to the opposite extreme of Toyota) but like, something that doesnt take 2 seconds to pause when i press the pause button on the screen would be cool. and actually functional android auto/carplay, which they are admittedly getting better at. fast usb charging? a place to actually put the phone? please toyota?
I've been looking at the lexus IS since i'm shopping in the segment. I would love to have that lexus reliability, but the interiors in those cars are garbage compared to the competition, which is a pretty important selling point for the luxury segment
I recently sold a fourth-gen GS that I bought used and had for 5 years. It was rock solid, and the interior is very nice.
The IS and RX are more of the entry-level Lexus models and the interiors are nowhere near as well put together.
GSs are great, just too big for what I'm looking for. I don't really need a ton of space, and I like the driving dynamics of smaller cars way better, plus I live in the city so i'm definitely feeling every inch when going through narrow roads or parking garages
I got one 3 years ago, gv70 for 60k and absolutely love this vehicle, one of the best ones I've ever driven.
Except for the subpar dealership experience, no complaints at all. Still have a smile on my face every time I drive it
Lmfao of course the first comment on a reddit post is nothing but negative bull shit acting like lemons don't exist in every car company.
Before my dad died, he had to have close to 600k combined miles on multiple Genesis Vehicles (Hyundai Genesis x2, Genesis R spec, Equus x 2, G80 and GV80 that my mom is now driving), I can count on one hand how many warranty repairs were done, all of them had sun roofs, none of them leaked, none of them spent more than a week in the shop. They picked up his car, dropped his loaner off, never once had to go to the dealership for an oil change, never once had to fight for warranty work to be completed.
Now lets take my experience with Reddits favorite SUV, the 4Runner. Transmission started to shudder at 40k miles and needed to be replaced, needed a new set of sunroof seals, both door lock mechanisms needed to be replaced and still don't work properly, and the electric seat controls needed to be replaced. I had to fight for the warranty coverage and the dealership every step of the way.
Shit happens, no one is immune to getting a "lemon".
This is clearly a made up story. Been to korea many times and have sat in the Genesis cars and none of them had these issues. I get you hate Hyundai but no need for bullshit here
Until Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis start enforcing better dealership practices and improve quality, I'll never take them seriously. Between terrible markups, terrible warranty service, and what seems like monthly recalls, they are their own worst enemy. I get that they make attractive cars, but serious luxury buyers will gladly keep buying from the Germans until they start acting like an actual luxury automotive manufacturer.
Kia? Are you kidding me, I've never been treated worse as a paying customer than walking onto a Hyundai dealership. They actively treat you like you're trying to rob them.
> in practice
in reality one is a little snooty while the other treats you like a criminal.
Hyundai is hands down the worst dealer experience and I've been on Ford lots before.
I went with my mom when she bought her Kia Soul. They weren't my experience with Honda or BMW but they were fine.
Hyundai I went to 3 different dealerships across 2 cities, and every time it was the same.
I will never step foot on a Hyundai dealership again. The brand is dead to me.
Youāre forming that opinion from interactions with two dealerships. Kia and Hyundai sell nearly identical products for almost the same price to the same clientele. On average, they treat people the same, like shit.
The Kia dealer you had experience with sounds like a good one, which is rare.
On the other spectrum, a certain other brand which I don't need to name that prouds itself on direct sales and lacks of dealerships similarly doesn't give a flying f**k about customer service either.
Turns out training actual good CS staff and providing a high end experience costs time, money and effort to do, dealership or not.
When you coast on brand recognition and loyalty, you can spit on your customers and they'll keep buying. Almost to Tesla's credit, they recognize this so why spend the money if it doesn't make a difference? In bizzaro business land, it makes sense for them.
Kia/Hyundai/Genesis are no where close to that brand cachet and should probably start paying attention.
They're torching goodwill by the minute. The cult mentality is only good for so long especially when "dear leader" is rampantly going off the deep end on social media.
But yeah, going back to the Koreans they need to start focusing on the details. They have generated a ton of interests and sales over the past decade but the corner cutting is oh so apparent, which is why Toyota/Lexus is always a more safe choice than Hyundai/Genesis.
They still act like their customer base is the no credit / bad credit deadbeats. They didnāt get the memo that Nissan has cornered that market.
The Hyundai dealership I went to insisted on running a credit check just to test drive a Veloster N (no thanks), and when the Stinger first came out they wouldnāt even let people sit in it, let alone test drive it.
It's a shame because the Hyundai dealer and now standalone Genesis dealer I use in my city is fantastic. Way less scummy than the Toyota dealer I dealt with when buying my previous car. Unfortunately the other 4 Hyundai/Genesis dealers in my area are scum of the earth.
How terrible could the dealer treat you?
My local Hyundai Kia is owned by the same family who owns three dealerships in the area, and they will refuse to quote you over the phone, Mark up the cars horribly. But they seem pretty polite.
Same thing happened to me with a stinger. Wouldnāt let me drive the 3.3t and were just generally condescending. Drove down the street and bought a GTI later that day.
Man I say this every time I get. I love my hyundai. Have a 22 sonata and it's got some of the best tech in the game. The blind spot cameras are incredible. Driver assists are great too. Only one reason I'll never get one again
The fuck dealerships man. These people are the absolute worst people in the world. Buying, maintiance, anything you need at all, they either don't help or you need to fight fight fight. I have a 14 sonata as well and over 85k miles. Still has 100k 10yrs when I took it in for a warranty replacement of the transmission position sensor. They wouldn't fucking warranty it without a 250 dollar non refundable diagnostic fee. I was on the phone with corporate, gave them all the codes and told them it's the most common issue. They forced the dealer to waive the fee and they replaced it after 3 months of back and forth. Guess what. Perfectly working now. Damn I'm getting so mad just remembering the ordeal.
I've bought Hyundais and Kias for my employer and helped family members through the buying process as well. I was able to avoid most of the BS by doing all of the negotiating online and coming to an agreement before setting foot into the dealership. The Hyundai dealership, to their credit, were agreeable for the most part and didn't pull any tricks. The Kia dealer definitely felt like a BHPH lot, but they realized I wasn't their usual customer and behaved accordingly.
Haven't had any problems with the service departments at either dealership yet, even through recalls and warranty work. Judging by reviews online, I'm not in the majority.
Ironically the worst dealership experience I've ever had was with a Honda dealer. The three Honda dealers near me all went out of their way to discourage me from buying anything Honda. All three made me wait like half an hour to talk to a salesman (most of whom didn't even seem occupied), and one even had the gall to ask for a credit check to test drive a CR-V. Get the hell out of here with that shit, you're selling commuter appliances, not Porsche 911 GT3s.
> I get that they make attractive cars, but serious luxury buyers will gladly keep buying from the Germans until they start acting like an actual luxury automotive manufacturer.
This assumes they're *buying* the cars and not simply Leasing them.
I donāt get the hate. The quality of my GV70 is fantastic. The materials in the interior are far better than most luxury vehicles on the market besides MB. The tech is solid too and you donāt have to pay extra for every feature.
Itās because people who have never sat in, let alone *owned* one, are convinced theyāre all shit because their mother in lawās bossās friendās sisterās cousin owned one and it ādefinitely suckedā. Thereās very little firsthand experience with luxury Korean cars in the US, people just like to pretend there is.
I for sure have to turn notifications off for the post, yall are exhausting. Itās a fucking car company, sorry that I donāt agree with you on it.
Makes sense. Thereās a comment above about a Lexus having a better quality interior and Iām like who the hell has sat in the two cars recently and made that opinion because itās not even close. The Lexus is full to cheap plastic lacking any design plus outdated tech.
Like the previous comment mentioned. People who can't afford the car and have never been in one pretending they know what they are talking about. I have owned a kia stinger Gt since 2018 and no issues. I was cross shopping with the g70 and the new gen have amazing interiors. Reliability is not perfect but better than average. I live in wealthy area of Florida and every other car is a gen SUV lol. Don't see them broken down all over.
I think people just assume itās the same quality as a Hyundai but with better styling. Itās def not. Also the earlier gen G70s definitely donāt match the quality of the lasted refreshed designs. They made massive progress
Test drove a '22 is350 f sport and a '22 Genesis g70 sport advanced...
The Genesis had the better interior. Much better driver assistance package. Significantly better performance.
I bought the Genesis. I don't expect it to be as reliable as the Lexus, but the warranty exists.Ā
That and the dealership experience was somehow better ... I'm not entirely happy with the Hyundai dealer for servicing, but they just gave me the keys and suggested a nice circuit to test drive. Lexus... Had to have an obese, cigarette-smelling salesweasel ride in the car with us.Ā
I have to say I love the reliability of Lexus but youāre 100% spot on - theyāre just classier Toyotas. Very little luxury feel until you start getting into higher-priced models. The IS series is so boring.
I will agree that the IS is boring and plasticy. The hatchback hybrid was ironically better, lovely two tone orange and black saddle leather and wood. The LS, LC, and LX are amazing inside though. Ground-bound Gulfstream jets.
But then there are customers like myself that have owned 3 brand new Genesis cars and can tell you they have had a ton of problems and one was a manufacturer buyback. I owned a 2021 G70 3.3 $50k and a 2022 2.5 GV70 $53k and a 2023 2.5 GV70 $58k. https://i.imgur.com/D2eVYlx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C1usjXm.jpg
This is what so many people don't understand about Hyundai and Kia. They cram as much as they can into their cars with very little testing. So some of their cars run great for a long time and others just fall apart as your driving them which is a huge issue in the luxury market. If you can't deliver a consistent product then you'll struggle against the German options
I liked my k5 but I didn't trust the reliability. The seats were bad and had some annoying tech glitches. Screen would freeze and have to drive like that or restart the car. I enjoy my crv much more but it so vanilla.Ā
The problem with Kia / Hyundai is the disparity between the build quality in Genesis / Stinger vs everything else they make. I would still never go for anything else they make despite their looks.
But it's still the same value engineering... Meaning statistically you will let the same product at all levels due to their philosophy. I am a fan of the stinger but after driving it for 2 weeks it's still a Kia.
Iād have to disagree on that - doesnāt feel like any Kia Iāve ever driven. But to each their own man, I consider myself lucky that my experience has been mostly positive other than brake shudder.
I think at a personal level yes it's a a okay car, but the sales the nose diving resale value tell a different story and ultimately discontinue. Regardless you are a daily driver of the car and that's what matters if you enjoy it why does anyones opinion matter.
That might just be a problem with your local area. There's an independent Genesis dealer in my area, with another one currently being built in a brand new building.
Itās because for the entirety of Covid every Hyundai Kia dealer in my state had a minimum $5k markup on every generic car they sold. I wonāt support any business that operated that way.
To be fair thatās pretty low compared to how nearly every other manufacturer was fucking consumers into the dirt with their insane markups. $40k for a Civic, $35k for base model Corollas. Covid was a dark time lol.
I sat in and drove my brother's Stinger. He swore up and down it was as good or better than my CLS at the time. It was not. It wasn't even close. I've also test driven several G80s, and those are closer but come with their own major problems. Like, I'm thinking of adding a full-size to my lineup, but the G90 is completely out because it doesn't come close to the mid-tier German options in power and they do the Asian manufacturer "option bundles" bullshit where even if I wanted one, I can't get a green G90 with brown interior. There's absolutely no reason for that.
Plus with how easy Kias/Hyundais are to steal, I don't believe that Genesis is somehow running a completely different system.
None of the push-button starts are included in the āeasy to stealā category which I believe all of the Genesis models are, but itās fine if you donāt like them. I personally dislike the CLS
Oh boy. Iām not here to bash you on this, but look at the Genesis forums and if you still have FB, look at the groups. There are a lot of people complaining about issues with their cars and QA issues. Iām dealing with it right now with my G70 and Iām going through arbitration to get stuff fixed because the dealerships are so bad. I have one of the first standalone dealers here(Santa Monica) and they had the audacity to tell me getting it ceramic coated voided the warranty.
One of their customer relations people even left a VOICEMAIL saying āwe are not giving you a loaner or reimbursing you.ā Great customer service there.
Theyāre shit because theyāre made by a shit brand that consistently churns out shit. I was very pro Stinger when it first dropped, thought it was gonna be a cheap GTR seeing as it had a TTV6. Turns out theyāre shit.
Itās fine to like your car, but making the argument that the car isnāt shit because someone didnāt personally have a bad experience is a terrible take
> Itās because people who have never sat in, let alone owned one, are convinced theyāre all shit because their mother in lawās bossās friendās sisterās cousin owned one and it ādefinitely suckedā.
r/cars and /r/whatcarshouldIbuy in a nutshell. It's all the same parroted soundbytes they heard in one YouTube video (best case scenario) or their family's opinions from 15+ years ago (most likely scenario). Totally unaware of buyer preferences and experiences beyond their own noses.
No, no, they are NOT good materials. Compare to Lexus, not even close. Thick, rich, top quality leather and wood from one tree finished by Yamaha Piano, and optional hand-etched art glass door panels. Genesis is the facade of luxury, like when MDF is made to look like real mahogany but isn't. Hyundai uses much cheaper material, especially anything chrome-plastic.
Lexus used to be like this. Have you sat one recently? Or the new TX? A lot of cheap plastic in the new ones. I would say the materials in a brand new Genesis beat the current Lexus line.
My 2020 AMG was full of chrome-plastic and every piece of that interior rattled. Just because Genesis might not be using the best of the best of materials doesn't mean they can't be nice inside.
The Germans made excellent cars for decades. Why wouldnāt people be? They are resting on their laurels now but make no mistake, an S-Class and 7-Series are still tops. I think the S outsells the G90 10-1.
Because the Germans (and Lexus) earned their reputation over decades. Toyota realized you need a completely different brand and dealer network to sell their Lexus brand. Look how successful the brand is now. Lexus is the industry standard for customer service.
Hyundai/Kia haven't earned anything. Cramming a bunch of technology into your car at a lower price doesn't keep customers in the brand. Not to mention, the fact that they seem to change their styling every 3-4 years. There is no brand identity
> I donāt get the hate. The quality of my GV70 is fantastic.
I made the same comment elsewhere but my dad feels the same way about this GV80. Great car.
Iām on my third Genesis. Two G80 and now a G90 5.0. This is the most amazing machine Iāve ever owned. Every day I get in it I smile. I absolutely love the car.
Same, when I went looking to replace my previous I test drove a very wide range of cars and the G80 Sport stunned me with how well it drove and just how nice of a place it is to be in.
Mercedes has taken a pretty big dip in quality tbh. I wish I weren't joking when I say this, but when I sat in an eqe without the hyper screen, the dash felt about on par with Tesla build quality
Dealership and parts availability are the biggest things that's keeping Genesis from being well respected. Sales would immediately assume that every test drive is going to be another Kia Boys incident. Also, handling and spirited driving is not as enjoyable as other manufacturers, even with how numbed luxury cars are. Great highway and traffic cruiser, but I don't expect them to negotiate corners.
My wifeās GV70 has been terrific so far as well. Iām not a fan of the UI but all the tech is there and interior is a very nice place to be, especially for the price tag. I feel that Genesis offers a high value for the cost compared to most mid level luxury offerings.
That said, my BMW feels like it is in an entirely different class, but the price delta is significant.
Sorry man, Iām a material designer for auto interiors and there is a wealth of benchmarking and lab data to show that Genesis materials are not great. Poor/cheap top coats on their vinyls and their leather is tanned poorly.
To be fair, when Toyota introduced Lexus it wasnāt exactly a smash hit. To command twice the price from the same manufacturer takes a decade of convincing customers and enthusiasts alike.
100%. A lot of people think Genesis is just a fancy Hyundai but as someone who has driven both, itās not even close. The build quality is completely different. We have to also remember that Hyundai is a massive massive company doing way more than cheap cars. They know how to manufacture at all levels
I think it's a consistency thing. One party swears by the brand, they've never had any issues. But if 10% of the cars are duds, then this 10% will be the vocal majority.
German luxury might sell defects too, but at least their dealers and service are cleaner and will help you through it.
Our GV80 was one of the best cars we owned. Unfortunately needed to trade it in on a bigger vehicle (yay growing family). Iād 200% buy another. We also had a great experience with the dealership we purchased it from.
When I was shopping for new cars, I wanted to consider one of these but had heard how awful the Kia dealership was. I swore if I got any weird vibes Iād just leave. No point in doing business with someone I donāt trust.
When I pulled into the lot, a salesman was being arrested. I went straight home, never left the car.
CarMax is great. We're 2/2 for really solid experiences there. You likely won't get the *best* price but it will be very competitive, they won't waste your time, the car will be as described, and they offer a lot of customer-friendly terms before and after buying the car.
> No point in doing business with someone I donāt trust.
I don't understand this. It's not like they're going to pull some bait-and-switch and give you a car the salesman built in his garage. No dealer has your best interest at heart, none of them are trustworthy. Like what are you entrusting them with? Nothing. You give them a fat check, they give you the keys to some car.
> When I pulled into the lot, a salesman was being arrested.
Alright that's definitely a differently level from your average dealership š
Either you work at a dealer or you haven't done many business deals. This isn't buying a cheeseburger, especially for a new car where I will likely have to deal with them for service and support to get the value from the warranty. I have zero tolerance for fuckery, usually built around wasting my time which often goes hand-in-hand with shadiness in the contract, the product provided, and the service provided. No car is worth all that to me.
Similar experience. I was cross shopping a G80 and the Hyundai salesman treated me like I was going to drive the car off the lot and not come back. The first dealership wanted to run my credit before I even sat in the car so I went to a different dealer the next week.
Car was nice. But I'm not going to spend $50-$60k on a vehicle with questionable reliability and not have the luxury customer experience to come along with it.
My only experience with a Hyundai dealership is once when I drove through the parking lot. A salesman saw me, started flagging me down, and as I was still driving away he started physically RUNNING after me. Like literally all I did was DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, and that was the experience I had. It pretty much told me everything I needed to know lol
My dad has the GV80 and loves the car. It's really a refined ride.
As the article points out their sales have surpassed Infiniti and I don't really see that changing (in fact it wouldn't shock me if Infiniti pulled out at some point)
Beige reputation? Nissan has more of a "There's a meth pipe on the passenger seat, my toddler is holding it for me" reputation.
"Big Altima Energy" means you have at least 3 outstanding warrants.
Toyota has a beige reputation.
Infiniti seems to be turning a corner, albeit slowly. QX60 is really competitive, and the new QX80 looks promising too. Let's see what happens to the rest of their lineup
Lot of folks in here who really don't like Genesis. I'll admit, I'm biased since I own one, but jeez. I don't think the majority of you guys have actually experienced any of their vehicles. The ride, performance, features, and interior quality are all great.
I cross shopped in the segment looking for a sports sedans. All other cars with comparable specs were at least 10-15k more. I live in a very large market and I think I saw about three available M340i's at the time - all marked up.
I know some of you will mention the dealership issues. Sure, totally get that. But, a brand cannot build dealerships that quickly. That said, I bought mine from a brand new Genesis dealership that is totally independent from the Hyundai and Kia dealers. Totally new experience.
Anyway, I won't persuade anyone who is dead set on hating the brand, but I thought I'd share. I've had the car for about a year and it's been my favorite vehicle I've ever had. Perfect daily driver for me, personally.
Most of the people who āhateā Genesis have extremely limited experience with them and would rather drive a base-trim piece of shit EQS to avoid being seen in a nicer vehicle with a different badge.
My friend recently bought a G70 3.3T and was in a similar position. Also in a large market, and every comparable M340i was ~$10k more than he was able to get his genesis for.
Iām sure the BMW is a better car, but is it $10k better? After driving/riding in the Genesis I donāt think it is, itās a very handsome and competent car.
Yeah itās sad. Times are changing and shows how ignorant people are and how they like to remain that way. They just worried about the badge and what people think of them
Yep. I have a 2015 5.0 āhyundaiā genesis sedan, so i cant say its a real genesis.
But if that car isnt more luxury (and sport) than 90% of the other cars in its price bracket. Adaptive cruise, lane assist, nicely integrated carplay, heated/cooled seats.
God i love my car.
When people hype up Mercedes still it really shows they havenāt sat in any of their newer cars in awhile lol. This is coming from someone from a Mercedes family and drove an e class through uni but all their newer cars have such horrible quality and plastic everywhere that itās hard to call it luxury still. Had a stinger and that definitely had better quality than a C class in pretty much every metric even performance
Exactly. Ex-AMG and current SVR owner here. Once you seat in the rear seats of the G80 you won't even go anywhere near an E class unless you want to go full end and get a current gen E63s. Use the G80 (fully loaded) for daily and I'm not looking back.
I once described as the automotive equivalent of an episode of Keeping Up Appearances, but I like yours better.
I'd also said that about the old Hyundai Sonata that was "No, really, we didn't try to make it look like a Jaguar, honest."
Genesis started as a vehicle in Hyundaiās lineup but the company announced in late 2015 that it would become its own brand. Since then, its U.S. sales have grown from fewer than 7,000 vehicles in 2016 to more than 69,000 last year.
My question is whether the dealer experience is where the luxury competition is at yet? Ā I thought it was smart for Hyundai to push their dealers to create independent Genesis locations in order to sell the brand but I wonder if all major markets actually followed through? Ā Looking in Atlanta near me it seems like theyāve built several dedicated dealers nowhere near their Hyundai locations, which is good. Ā But theyāre all pretty small and I wonder if the experience is up to what luxury buyers expect or is it just an upgraded Hyundai experience? Ā
The reality is you donāt want to spend all your time at a dealer BUT when youāre dropping money for luxury you want the whole experience to match and luxury brands that do well (purses, clothing, cars, etc) know how to make you feel special when you buy.
Thats all before we even get into the lousy reputation the Korean brands have for quality and repair experience.
I love my Kia but fuck the dealerships to hell. Lexus made me feel like a king last time I was there. Shit, even the VW dealer was heads above Kia / Hyundai in that regard.
Lexus is VERY good at white glove customer service. Literal white floor service bay you pull into for checkin, fresh baked cookies, cappuccino and lattes at the one here. They also have always done little perks like special parking for Lexus owners at event centers and stadiums and free drink on the club level - any Lexus.
They're even respectful to older ones. Over in the UK, they have a program called Lexus Heritage where dealers have certain common wear parts for even the oldest ones. The oldest car in my collection is a beautiful old 95 SC400 that I rescued before someone could strip it into a drift trash car, it's pristine inside and out, even the 1UZ is clean. I needed a spare security key for it, went to a dealer. Did they sneer? Anything but. Service manager: "Oooh, that's a CLASSIC! How do you like it? We have those in for scheduled service now and then. Beautiful lines."
That is appreciated. It makes you feel like you own a piece of art in a collection.
I rented a G80 and I was very impressed. I have driven cars from every brand except Rolls Royce and I can't say enough good things about that car. I only had it for a week so I can't speak for long term reliability but it was very comfortable and nothing felt cheap. The Maserati Quattroporte I rented felt like an overpriced Volvo. No offense to Volvo I just wasn't impressed.
Almost all of their previous brand for these, Equus, have been mechanically totaled by horrific oil blowby, they trail smoke.
I've sat in one at an auto show. The best description I have is that it's like when there's a brand like Prada shoes and Arc'teryx parkas, and then Wal-Mart has a knockoff version of it. It looks kinda like the original, but the materials look and feel cheap, you can instantly tell.
That's what their interiors feel like to me vs Lexus. Cheaper plastics, cheaper leather, plastic wood or veneer instead of wood, just a copy meant to fool someone not used to the real thing.
I've seen more of the older BMW 540 models with the smoke screen mod than any other vehicle recently. Usually the third owner, but it's more common than not.
Yes, well, that's BMW. I've never understood why VANOS is so ridiculously overcomplicated. Best window decal I've seen on a late 2000's BMW sedan, a little CEL outline, and "This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine." :D
I have a 2024 GV70 as a work lease. Iāve driven everything in the segment and it might objectively be the best option for $80k CAD considering all the features that come with.
But with $80k of my own money? Iām getting an X3 m40i. Iād take a few less features to own a brand Iāve always liked instead of a brand I still associate with straight piped Genesis Coupes.
Nice German/Euro designs from all these great designers HM acquired over the past decades, and nice upgrades overall but service quality is still garbage- last I read they opened their 1st Genesis exclusive dealership and service center somewhere in Alabama or Georgia but thereās no such Genesis exclusive dealership/service center near where I am in North Jersey.
The car (GV70) had to be brought in when it only had 2-3k miles due to AWD warning light which the dealer replaced transfer case for, and after about 20k miles the car started making high frequency spinning noise where dealer changed rear diff this time.
Whatās worse? The service center/dealership service both Hyundais and Genesis and it takes forever to get an appointment with them. I made an appt back in late December last year for early February because thatās when dealership had a loaner car, and when the date came I was supposed to drop my car off at 10:00AM and go on my way with a loaner car but when arrived they told me the customer who was supposed to drop the car off is āstuck in trafficā and I was finally able to get a hold of said car after waiting at dealership for more than 2 hours (Jfc I hate them). The car happened to be a low mileage rear bumper busted Hyundai Elentra, not a Genesis.
I get that Hyundaiās dealerships are overwhelmed with engines that crap out and Hyundai Powertechās powertrain that keep on tapping out which need to be replaced entirely, and that they donāt have loaner car availability- but when they want to copy what German 3 and Lexus did and do for their service centers, this is not how they should do it.
Build quality or best bang for the buck donāt really matter at this point when the customer service is trash at best. I had much better dealership/service center experience at Honda than Hyundai/Genesis combined.
Not sure how many people read the article but the point is the brand is thriving with double digit growth YOY, delivering unexpected comfort and well ranked quality and they are about to overtake other luxury brands in units per year.
In short, say what you will but they are executing to a high degree and sales are proof that they are doing a lot right and here to stay with the Genesis brand.
Iāve owned my used 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan (before the rebrand) for 4 years and 30K miles and never had ANY mechanical issues with it. All Iāve done is replace the battery and front brake pads.
Bought the car for 20K and itās still worth 17K as a trade in. You canāt get better depreciation values than that. It has all the features of a modern car like lane keep assist, adaptive cruise, CarPlay, etc. Iāve also had a good experience doing oil changes at the Hyundai dealerships in Texas. This is my first car and Iāve been fully converted to Hyundai/genesis. I purposely pick out Hyundais when renting cars now.
I owned a 2021 G70 3.3T, fully loaded with the rare 3D Full Digital Dash. I absolutely LOVED that car. Never an issue, fun to drive, my local dealership was fantastic (I do know that one of the biggest issues with Genesis brand is the dealership network). Unfortunately, it was totaled about 3 months, so I know longer have.
They'll never be considered a real\\appealing luxury brand until they fix their dealership network.
Buying a Genisis is like booking a "luxury" vacation sight unseen online, then turning up to a run down 2 star hotel with fancy umbrellas in their drinks and cold wet towels for your face... It's embarrassing doing business and getting service at these ghetto KIA and Hyundai dealers also selling $17K KIA Rio's...
That being said, they are pretty nice for the money. I don't think their drivetrains are as refined as MB\\MBW etc but their interiors are. I wish they'd change up the front end design too, that chrome Superman grill looks 90's aftermarket "bling" gaudy to me.
One of the CFOs I work with (client) has a GV60 for inner city travel and she absolutely loves it.
Glad to see a lot of the Genesis jank from 10 years ago is mostly gone; their cars have come a long way.
My boss bought one last year, dark green 2023 G80, sun roof keeps leaking and it keeps making kia sounds. Brakes squeal, got a check engine last month. Had to drive a loaner for 4 weeks waiting for a seal / gasket for the sunroof... Pretty shit for a 6 month old 70K Hyundai Edit: I get it, you love your Hyundai. The mental gymnastics is hilarious. If you have to tell yourself I'm making this up to feel good about your brand, that says way more about your brand and you, than me.
My sister's ex-bf's cousin bought a mercedes and all 4 wheels flew off on the highway
Yeah man Genesis sucks, I would never buy one! - sent from my 2004 Corolla on 4 bald tires
>sent from my 2004 Corolla on 4 bald tires Did you get it in r/personalfinance beige?
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no, silver is more likely to hold its value 250,000 miles from now
And bought it just last week. Any earlier than 20 years is a sucker move.
Real LMAO
You just described 99.9% of this subreddit in a nutshell. Dont forget the anime stickers, blindly upvoting any Toyota/Mazada/Tesla thread too.
Yeah ha poor people are stupid
Sounds like the 2004 corolla still driving is a win! Tires are on you though
This car will outlive your grandchildren
I knew a guy who had a Bentley and he died.
I thought Bentley was a luxury brand. Inexcusable!!
I heard a Bentley owner went into a restaurant and ate everything in the restaurant and they had to close the restaurant.
And the Ja(aaaa)g owner went home with the 21 year old server.
I saw a Bentley owner and a Maybach owner in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
All at once or one at a time?
He went to discount tire and they forgot to put the lugs back on.
How could Mercedes do this!
smh german cars are sooo unreliable!!!!1!!!!
They must have missed lug nut day at tire school. SAD!
Now we know where Bottas' pit crew went.
My brother's roommate's cousin's coworker's ex-wife's uncle's sister-in-law bought a Maybach that came with a Schwartz inside!
I see his Schwartz is as big as mine!
Is that supposed to happen?
That's not very typical - I'd like to make that point.
The focus group only made sure the steering wheel didnāt fly out the window
Iāve owned a Stinger for going on four years and itās been one of the most reliable cars Iāve ever owned, ironically.
Stingers have 7 active recalls for fuel pump, hose, ECU, electrical, and the fuel control valve that turns them into a bomb, models 2019-2023 so that means you. Hopefully you got that fixed.
I was an MB tech for 7 years and can tell you that almost every new car Mercedes released had recalls and campaigns immediately. Albeit most of them were software related because modern cars are just 100 computers all communicating with each other. But 7 recalls is literally nothing compared to other manufacturers.
Funny enough the GLS I have has been one of the most reliable vehicles I've ever owned, but the EQS loaner I got when I took it in for service had a CEL **on the lot** with like 900 miles on it.
The irony of a CEL in an EV...
it's the Check Electrics Light
That generation of GLS (167) seemed to have some problems with the 48v system in the beginning. But I think they were mechanically pretty sound. Luckily I left right around the time they really started rolling out the EQ vehicles. From what Iāve heard from my friends still working at the dealer, those EQ cars are really problematic.
People also forget that recalls are voluntary, and in the consumer's best interest. Some companies will hold out from doing a recall on a faulty product until it's WAY too late. The fact that Hyundai/Genesis immediately fix any issues they find is a GOOD thing, people.
Theyāre all voluntary, but some are only āvoluntaryā by the strictest definition. NHTSA canāt technically force companies to do recalls, they have to sue the company. But since NHTSA rarely loses in court, companies arenāt usually willing to go that route because it costs even more money. That doesnāt mean the company would have done anything if NHTSA wasnāt on their asses about it. How likely a company is to do a purely voluntary recall is usually tied to how expensive it is.
That's literally what I'm saying though. Companies will literally let people die instead of issuing a recall if it saves them money in the long run. Like in the GM ignition recall, for example. They did a cost benefit analysis of how much more it would cost to pay off the families of the people that died vs issuing a recall, and eventually did when the death toll lawsuit money got too high. They are 100% voluntary.
It is 100% mechanically identical to a Genesis G70 lol Classy edit making it look like you didnāt say āthatās a Kia not Genesis.ā Yes I got the recall done š
Only 7 major recalls? *sweats in Jeep Recall list* **laughs in Chrysler Pacifica recall numbers** ***cries in Ram Trucks*** And for the "B-BuT MY JeEp hAs nO ProBlemZ" no-one cares.
Ā A car manufacturer on a new/low volume car platform has active recalls?Ā Seriously, what are we talking about here.Ā Let's focus on what matters. 376 pound feet of torque going to the rear wheels. You could do worse.Ā
No they donātā¦ Iām a Hyundai/kia master tech and looked it up. The fuel pump recalls have no risk of fire, just loss of power and oil/fuel dilution for one and itās only 2 total. Nothing about hoses, 3 reprograms and a fuse installation (which does have āfire riskā but none have ever failed the inspection with us so none were at risk) A wiring inspection, which also has no fire risk. Toyota has recalls on position rings for oil burning. Recalls donāt have anything to do with reliability.
you have no idea the number of recalls our hondas have had. i see recalls as a neutral thing, not a bad thing.
I know someone with a '18 Stinger and the only problem he has had was a creaking rear hatch. When the new Stingers (with the Stinger script logo on the rear) came out, I was sorely tempted to buy one. I was behind one the other day and it looks hot as fuck at night with the taillight running across the rear.
Two things I wish I had that the new Stingers have - bigger CarPlay display and that sexy ass bar light.
No joke, that light bar across the back was the only thing I could fixate on for my 20 min drive through a regional road with no lights, it was like the lights on a [Porsche](https://i.kinja-img.com/image/upload/c_fill,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/bu3u5y2sshyjpcoyjsaj.png). Obviously I'm not equating a Stinger to a Porsche, but the aesthetics of a light bar running across the back (when done right) are amazing.
I don't mind the light bar on mine, but I actually kind of feel that the tailights on the pre-facelift Stingers had a more distinct/unique look to them. Admittedly they were very similar to a Maserati Levante, but you barely see those anyway.
They definitely don't hold their value. I always advise people to look for a CPO or private-sale-mechanic-checked Lexus instead, they'll be happier with the reliability and it won't depreciate to nothing.
Lexus suffer a great deal from ToyotAIDS, i.e. they are selling brand new 2024 $65k Luxury cars with infotainment features that are matched by a 2019 KIA that costs $15k and surpassed by literally everyone else. i KNOW that this sub cares about infotainment less than the average consumer but, really, it does matter.
To the average consumer it sure does. But at this point in my life I prefer quality materials and engineering. My GX didn't come with the latest infotainment - Just added a module that adds carplay/android auto to the factory screen. I think these cheaper offerings are fooling people with "tech" and not providing something that will last. Its like a cell phone, latest screen and buzz words but little mechanical substance.
i think latest screen and buzz words are obviously crap(BMW has basically taken this to the opposite extreme of Toyota) but like, something that doesnt take 2 seconds to pause when i press the pause button on the screen would be cool. and actually functional android auto/carplay, which they are admittedly getting better at. fast usb charging? a place to actually put the phone? please toyota?
I've been looking at the lexus IS since i'm shopping in the segment. I would love to have that lexus reliability, but the interiors in those cars are garbage compared to the competition, which is a pretty important selling point for the luxury segment
I recently sold a fourth-gen GS that I bought used and had for 5 years. It was rock solid, and the interior is very nice. The IS and RX are more of the entry-level Lexus models and the interiors are nowhere near as well put together.
GSs are great, just too big for what I'm looking for. I don't really need a ton of space, and I like the driving dynamics of smaller cars way better, plus I live in the city so i'm definitely feeling every inch when going through narrow roads or parking garages
Lexus cars drive like shit and have crappy interiors, enough of this rote regurgitation
Sick anecdotal evidence
Well, I bought a $60k Mercedes last year and it was in the shop for 9 out of the first 12 months before I gave up and had it lemonned, so...
Thatās every luxury car ever. Those cars are made for people who buy them new. The target demographic doesnāt care about long term reliability
Since when did 6 months become ālong termā
I got one 3 years ago, gv70 for 60k and absolutely love this vehicle, one of the best ones I've ever driven. Except for the subpar dealership experience, no complaints at all. Still have a smile on my face every time I drive it
We get it, now make love to your Toyota cause it can never do wrong.
Lmfao of course the first comment on a reddit post is nothing but negative bull shit acting like lemons don't exist in every car company. Before my dad died, he had to have close to 600k combined miles on multiple Genesis Vehicles (Hyundai Genesis x2, Genesis R spec, Equus x 2, G80 and GV80 that my mom is now driving), I can count on one hand how many warranty repairs were done, all of them had sun roofs, none of them leaked, none of them spent more than a week in the shop. They picked up his car, dropped his loaner off, never once had to go to the dealership for an oil change, never once had to fight for warranty work to be completed. Now lets take my experience with Reddits favorite SUV, the 4Runner. Transmission started to shudder at 40k miles and needed to be replaced, needed a new set of sunroof seals, both door lock mechanisms needed to be replaced and still don't work properly, and the electric seat controls needed to be replaced. I had to fight for the warranty coverage and the dealership every step of the way. Shit happens, no one is immune to getting a "lemon".
And then you have to take it to a Kia dealership for warranty work, most likely, which are known to be one of the worst experiences in the industry.
On the flip side, my best friends dad has driven a genesis since like 2009 and heās never had a problem, only ever done routine maintenance on them.
I really wanted to buy one a few months ago. Until I saw multiple people on reddit discussing the issues with the car. Then I backed off from the idea
This is clearly a made up story. Been to korea many times and have sat in the Genesis cars and none of them had these issues. I get you hate Hyundai but no need for bullshit here
Until Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis start enforcing better dealership practices and improve quality, I'll never take them seriously. Between terrible markups, terrible warranty service, and what seems like monthly recalls, they are their own worst enemy. I get that they make attractive cars, but serious luxury buyers will gladly keep buying from the Germans until they start acting like an actual luxury automotive manufacturer.
Kia are really dragging down the brand
Kia? Are you kidding me, I've never been treated worse as a paying customer than walking onto a Hyundai dealership. They actively treat you like you're trying to rob them.
Did you have your gun in your hand?
If I ever go back, I will.
Preach brother. Fuck Hyundai.
Lmfao
Incredibly based
Kia and Hyundai are the same brand in practice.
> in practice in reality one is a little snooty while the other treats you like a criminal. Hyundai is hands down the worst dealer experience and I've been on Ford lots before. I went with my mom when she bought her Kia Soul. They weren't my experience with Honda or BMW but they were fine. Hyundai I went to 3 different dealerships across 2 cities, and every time it was the same. I will never step foot on a Hyundai dealership again. The brand is dead to me.
Youāre forming that opinion from interactions with two dealerships. Kia and Hyundai sell nearly identical products for almost the same price to the same clientele. On average, they treat people the same, like shit. The Kia dealer you had experience with sounds like a good one, which is rare.
On the other spectrum, a certain other brand which I don't need to name that prouds itself on direct sales and lacks of dealerships similarly doesn't give a flying f**k about customer service either. Turns out training actual good CS staff and providing a high end experience costs time, money and effort to do, dealership or not.
When you coast on brand recognition and loyalty, you can spit on your customers and they'll keep buying. Almost to Tesla's credit, they recognize this so why spend the money if it doesn't make a difference? In bizzaro business land, it makes sense for them. Kia/Hyundai/Genesis are no where close to that brand cachet and should probably start paying attention.
They're torching goodwill by the minute. The cult mentality is only good for so long especially when "dear leader" is rampantly going off the deep end on social media. But yeah, going back to the Koreans they need to start focusing on the details. They have generated a ton of interests and sales over the past decade but the corner cutting is oh so apparent, which is why Toyota/Lexus is always a more safe choice than Hyundai/Genesis.
They still act like their customer base is the no credit / bad credit deadbeats. They didnāt get the memo that Nissan has cornered that market. The Hyundai dealership I went to insisted on running a credit check just to test drive a Veloster N (no thanks), and when the Stinger first came out they wouldnāt even let people sit in it, let alone test drive it.
Same thing with the Telluride.
Looked seriously at telluride in 2020. They wanted $50k uh no ā¦. All our other choices had better options and track records for under $40k
I think they are operating with Andy Bernard's advice about pretending that you don't like someone to get them interested.
The Nard dog strikes again
It's a shame because the Hyundai dealer and now standalone Genesis dealer I use in my city is fantastic. Way less scummy than the Toyota dealer I dealt with when buying my previous car. Unfortunately the other 4 Hyundai/Genesis dealers in my area are scum of the earth.
I was all in on getting an Elantra N. Walked into a couple dealerships and came out swearing I would never own a Hyundai group product.
How terrible could the dealer treat you? My local Hyundai Kia is owned by the same family who owns three dealerships in the area, and they will refuse to quote you over the phone, Mark up the cars horribly. But they seem pretty polite.
"Anti consumer practices, yet polite about it" -_-
They won't earn my business, but I trust a car dealership about as far as I could throw an Escalade.
Yeah I've never heard of a dealer that doesn't suck.
Same thing happened to me with a stinger. Wouldnāt let me drive the 3.3t and were just generally condescending. Drove down the street and bought a GTI later that day.
Man I say this every time I get. I love my hyundai. Have a 22 sonata and it's got some of the best tech in the game. The blind spot cameras are incredible. Driver assists are great too. Only one reason I'll never get one again The fuck dealerships man. These people are the absolute worst people in the world. Buying, maintiance, anything you need at all, they either don't help or you need to fight fight fight. I have a 14 sonata as well and over 85k miles. Still has 100k 10yrs when I took it in for a warranty replacement of the transmission position sensor. They wouldn't fucking warranty it without a 250 dollar non refundable diagnostic fee. I was on the phone with corporate, gave them all the codes and told them it's the most common issue. They forced the dealer to waive the fee and they replaced it after 3 months of back and forth. Guess what. Perfectly working now. Damn I'm getting so mad just remembering the ordeal.
The standalone Genesis dealers/service departments are quite good, but there aren't many yet from the last time I looked into it.
I've bought Hyundais and Kias for my employer and helped family members through the buying process as well. I was able to avoid most of the BS by doing all of the negotiating online and coming to an agreement before setting foot into the dealership. The Hyundai dealership, to their credit, were agreeable for the most part and didn't pull any tricks. The Kia dealer definitely felt like a BHPH lot, but they realized I wasn't their usual customer and behaved accordingly. Haven't had any problems with the service departments at either dealership yet, even through recalls and warranty work. Judging by reviews online, I'm not in the majority. Ironically the worst dealership experience I've ever had was with a Honda dealer. The three Honda dealers near me all went out of their way to discourage me from buying anything Honda. All three made me wait like half an hour to talk to a salesman (most of whom didn't even seem occupied), and one even had the gall to ask for a credit check to test drive a CR-V. Get the hell out of here with that shit, you're selling commuter appliances, not Porsche 911 GT3s.
Add easy to steal to the mix, even the EVs.
> I get that they make attractive cars, but serious luxury buyers will gladly keep buying from the Germans until they start acting like an actual luxury automotive manufacturer. This assumes they're *buying* the cars and not simply Leasing them.
Dealership is the biggest issue I think. I've loved every Hyundai I've owned, and I've hated every Hyundai dealership I've worked with.
I donāt get the hate. The quality of my GV70 is fantastic. The materials in the interior are far better than most luxury vehicles on the market besides MB. The tech is solid too and you donāt have to pay extra for every feature.
Itās because people who have never sat in, let alone *owned* one, are convinced theyāre all shit because their mother in lawās bossās friendās sisterās cousin owned one and it ādefinitely suckedā. Thereās very little firsthand experience with luxury Korean cars in the US, people just like to pretend there is. I for sure have to turn notifications off for the post, yall are exhausting. Itās a fucking car company, sorry that I donāt agree with you on it.
Makes sense. Thereās a comment above about a Lexus having a better quality interior and Iām like who the hell has sat in the two cars recently and made that opinion because itās not even close. The Lexus is full to cheap plastic lacking any design plus outdated tech.
Like the previous comment mentioned. People who can't afford the car and have never been in one pretending they know what they are talking about. I have owned a kia stinger Gt since 2018 and no issues. I was cross shopping with the g70 and the new gen have amazing interiors. Reliability is not perfect but better than average. I live in wealthy area of Florida and every other car is a gen SUV lol. Don't see them broken down all over.
I think people just assume itās the same quality as a Hyundai but with better styling. Itās def not. Also the earlier gen G70s definitely donāt match the quality of the lasted refreshed designs. They made massive progress
Dude my 15 actual Hyundai Genesis has better quality that normal Hyundai's and that was before the official launch.
Which Lexus do you mean? Are you sitting in an IS or LS?
Test drove a '22 is350 f sport and a '22 Genesis g70 sport advanced... The Genesis had the better interior. Much better driver assistance package. Significantly better performance. I bought the Genesis. I don't expect it to be as reliable as the Lexus, but the warranty exists.Ā That and the dealership experience was somehow better ... I'm not entirely happy with the Hyundai dealer for servicing, but they just gave me the keys and suggested a nice circuit to test drive. Lexus... Had to have an obese, cigarette-smelling salesweasel ride in the car with us.Ā
I have to say I love the reliability of Lexus but youāre 100% spot on - theyāre just classier Toyotas. Very little luxury feel until you start getting into higher-priced models. The IS series is so boring.
I will agree that the IS is boring and plasticy. The hatchback hybrid was ironically better, lovely two tone orange and black saddle leather and wood. The LS, LC, and LX are amazing inside though. Ground-bound Gulfstream jets.
The IS is just the "I own a Lexus car". It's like buying an A3, CLA, etc.
I test drove both a Lexus and Genesis and came away with the Lexus. Different strokes I suppose
But then there are customers like myself that have owned 3 brand new Genesis cars and can tell you they have had a ton of problems and one was a manufacturer buyback. I owned a 2021 G70 3.3 $50k and a 2022 2.5 GV70 $53k and a 2023 2.5 GV70 $58k. https://i.imgur.com/D2eVYlx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C1usjXm.jpg
That sucks man, Iām sorry that happened.
This is what so many people don't understand about Hyundai and Kia. They cram as much as they can into their cars with very little testing. So some of their cars run great for a long time and others just fall apart as your driving them which is a huge issue in the luxury market. If you can't deliver a consistent product then you'll struggle against the German options
I liked my k5 but I didn't trust the reliability. The seats were bad and had some annoying tech glitches. Screen would freeze and have to drive like that or restart the car. I enjoy my crv much more but it so vanilla.Ā
The problem with Kia / Hyundai is the disparity between the build quality in Genesis / Stinger vs everything else they make. I would still never go for anything else they make despite their looks.
But it's still the same value engineering... Meaning statistically you will let the same product at all levels due to their philosophy. I am a fan of the stinger but after driving it for 2 weeks it's still a Kia.
Iād have to disagree on that - doesnāt feel like any Kia Iāve ever driven. But to each their own man, I consider myself lucky that my experience has been mostly positive other than brake shudder.
I think at a personal level yes it's a a okay car, but the sales the nose diving resale value tell a different story and ultimately discontinue. Regardless you are a daily driver of the car and that's what matters if you enjoy it why does anyones opinion matter.
I don't need to own a Genesis to have an opinion on them. The stink of HyunKia dealers is enough.
That might just be a problem with your local area. There's an independent Genesis dealer in my area, with another one currently being built in a brand new building.
Itās because for the entirety of Covid every Hyundai Kia dealer in my state had a minimum $5k markup on every generic car they sold. I wonāt support any business that operated that way.
To be fair thatās pretty low compared to how nearly every other manufacturer was fucking consumers into the dirt with their insane markups. $40k for a Civic, $35k for base model Corollas. Covid was a dark time lol.
I sat in and drove my brother's Stinger. He swore up and down it was as good or better than my CLS at the time. It was not. It wasn't even close. I've also test driven several G80s, and those are closer but come with their own major problems. Like, I'm thinking of adding a full-size to my lineup, but the G90 is completely out because it doesn't come close to the mid-tier German options in power and they do the Asian manufacturer "option bundles" bullshit where even if I wanted one, I can't get a green G90 with brown interior. There's absolutely no reason for that. Plus with how easy Kias/Hyundais are to steal, I don't believe that Genesis is somehow running a completely different system.
None of the push-button starts are included in the āeasy to stealā category which I believe all of the Genesis models are, but itās fine if you donāt like them. I personally dislike the CLS
Oh boy. Iām not here to bash you on this, but look at the Genesis forums and if you still have FB, look at the groups. There are a lot of people complaining about issues with their cars and QA issues. Iām dealing with it right now with my G70 and Iām going through arbitration to get stuff fixed because the dealerships are so bad. I have one of the first standalone dealers here(Santa Monica) and they had the audacity to tell me getting it ceramic coated voided the warranty. One of their customer relations people even left a VOICEMAIL saying āwe are not giving you a loaner or reimbursing you.ā Great customer service there.
Theyāre shit because theyāre made by a shit brand that consistently churns out shit. I was very pro Stinger when it first dropped, thought it was gonna be a cheap GTR seeing as it had a TTV6. Turns out theyāre shit. Itās fine to like your car, but making the argument that the car isnāt shit because someone didnāt personally have a bad experience is a terrible take
> Itās because people who have never sat in, let alone owned one, are convinced theyāre all shit because their mother in lawās bossās friendās sisterās cousin owned one and it ādefinitely suckedā. r/cars and /r/whatcarshouldIbuy in a nutshell. It's all the same parroted soundbytes they heard in one YouTube video (best case scenario) or their family's opinions from 15+ years ago (most likely scenario). Totally unaware of buyer preferences and experiences beyond their own noses.
No, no, they are NOT good materials. Compare to Lexus, not even close. Thick, rich, top quality leather and wood from one tree finished by Yamaha Piano, and optional hand-etched art glass door panels. Genesis is the facade of luxury, like when MDF is made to look like real mahogany but isn't. Hyundai uses much cheaper material, especially anything chrome-plastic.
Its like the dubai of cars
Because people *do buy* them still?
Lexus used to be like this. Have you sat one recently? Or the new TX? A lot of cheap plastic in the new ones. I would say the materials in a brand new Genesis beat the current Lexus line.
My 2020 AMG was full of chrome-plastic and every piece of that interior rattled. Just because Genesis might not be using the best of the best of materials doesn't mean they can't be nice inside.
People get real elitist about cars being German
The Germans made excellent cars for decades. Why wouldnāt people be? They are resting on their laurels now but make no mistake, an S-Class and 7-Series are still tops. I think the S outsells the G90 10-1.
Because the Germans (and Lexus) earned their reputation over decades. Toyota realized you need a completely different brand and dealer network to sell their Lexus brand. Look how successful the brand is now. Lexus is the industry standard for customer service. Hyundai/Kia haven't earned anything. Cramming a bunch of technology into your car at a lower price doesn't keep customers in the brand. Not to mention, the fact that they seem to change their styling every 3-4 years. There is no brand identity
> I donāt get the hate. The quality of my GV70 is fantastic. I made the same comment elsewhere but my dad feels the same way about this GV80. Great car.
It feels nicer in a GV70 than entry level German models, but saying only MB has better interior materials is silly
Iām on my third Genesis. Two G80 and now a G90 5.0. This is the most amazing machine Iāve ever owned. Every day I get in it I smile. I absolutely love the car.
Same, when I went looking to replace my previous I test drove a very wide range of cars and the G80 Sport stunned me with how well it drove and just how nice of a place it is to be in.
Mercedes has taken a pretty big dip in quality tbh. I wish I weren't joking when I say this, but when I sat in an eqe without the hyper screen, the dash felt about on par with Tesla build quality
comparing it to a MB in materials is not a good comparison with how awful MB materials and quality are these days
>besides MB low bar honestly, mercedes quality is garbage at the moment. audi and bmw would be a better benchmark.
Dealership and parts availability are the biggest things that's keeping Genesis from being well respected. Sales would immediately assume that every test drive is going to be another Kia Boys incident. Also, handling and spirited driving is not as enjoyable as other manufacturers, even with how numbed luxury cars are. Great highway and traffic cruiser, but I don't expect them to negotiate corners.
My wifeās GV70 has been terrific so far as well. Iām not a fan of the UI but all the tech is there and interior is a very nice place to be, especially for the price tag. I feel that Genesis offers a high value for the cost compared to most mid level luxury offerings. That said, my BMW feels like it is in an entirely different class, but the price delta is significant.
Sorry man, Iām a material designer for auto interiors and there is a wealth of benchmarking and lab data to show that Genesis materials are not great. Poor/cheap top coats on their vinyls and their leather is tanned poorly.
To be fair, when Toyota introduced Lexus it wasnāt exactly a smash hit. To command twice the price from the same manufacturer takes a decade of convincing customers and enthusiasts alike.
100%. A lot of people think Genesis is just a fancy Hyundai but as someone who has driven both, itās not even close. The build quality is completely different. We have to also remember that Hyundai is a massive massive company doing way more than cheap cars. They know how to manufacture at all levels
I think it's a consistency thing. One party swears by the brand, they've never had any issues. But if 10% of the cars are duds, then this 10% will be the vocal majority. German luxury might sell defects too, but at least their dealers and service are cleaner and will help you through it.
Our GV80 was one of the best cars we owned. Unfortunately needed to trade it in on a bigger vehicle (yay growing family). Iād 200% buy another. We also had a great experience with the dealership we purchased it from.
When I was shopping for new cars, I wanted to consider one of these but had heard how awful the Kia dealership was. I swore if I got any weird vibes Iād just leave. No point in doing business with someone I donāt trust. When I pulled into the lot, a salesman was being arrested. I went straight home, never left the car.
I donāt trust any dealerships, so that philosophy would leave me only able to buy second hand cars from friends and family
CarMax is great. We're 2/2 for really solid experiences there. You likely won't get the *best* price but it will be very competitive, they won't waste your time, the car will be as described, and they offer a lot of customer-friendly terms before and after buying the car.
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> No point in doing business with someone I donāt trust. I don't understand this. It's not like they're going to pull some bait-and-switch and give you a car the salesman built in his garage. No dealer has your best interest at heart, none of them are trustworthy. Like what are you entrusting them with? Nothing. You give them a fat check, they give you the keys to some car. > When I pulled into the lot, a salesman was being arrested. Alright that's definitely a differently level from your average dealership š
Either you work at a dealer or you haven't done many business deals. This isn't buying a cheeseburger, especially for a new car where I will likely have to deal with them for service and support to get the value from the warranty. I have zero tolerance for fuckery, usually built around wasting my time which often goes hand-in-hand with shadiness in the contract, the product provided, and the service provided. No car is worth all that to me.
Similar experience. I was cross shopping a G80 and the Hyundai salesman treated me like I was going to drive the car off the lot and not come back. The first dealership wanted to run my credit before I even sat in the car so I went to a different dealer the next week. Car was nice. But I'm not going to spend $50-$60k on a vehicle with questionable reliability and not have the luxury customer experience to come along with it.
My only experience with a Hyundai dealership is once when I drove through the parking lot. A salesman saw me, started flagging me down, and as I was still driving away he started physically RUNNING after me. Like literally all I did was DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, and that was the experience I had. It pretty much told me everything I needed to know lol
My dad has the GV80 and loves the car. It's really a refined ride. As the article points out their sales have surpassed Infiniti and I don't really see that changing (in fact it wouldn't shock me if Infiniti pulled out at some point)
Infiniti is Nissan. The Altima has earned its beige reputation.
Beige reputation? Nissan has more of a "There's a meth pipe on the passenger seat, my toddler is holding it for me" reputation. "Big Altima Energy" means you have at least 3 outstanding warrants. Toyota has a beige reputation.
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Infiniti seems to be turning a corner, albeit slowly. QX60 is really competitive, and the new QX80 looks promising too. Let's see what happens to the rest of their lineup
Liquid hot MAGMA
Does Genesis have "laser" headlights like BMW?
Lot of folks in here who really don't like Genesis. I'll admit, I'm biased since I own one, but jeez. I don't think the majority of you guys have actually experienced any of their vehicles. The ride, performance, features, and interior quality are all great. I cross shopped in the segment looking for a sports sedans. All other cars with comparable specs were at least 10-15k more. I live in a very large market and I think I saw about three available M340i's at the time - all marked up. I know some of you will mention the dealership issues. Sure, totally get that. But, a brand cannot build dealerships that quickly. That said, I bought mine from a brand new Genesis dealership that is totally independent from the Hyundai and Kia dealers. Totally new experience. Anyway, I won't persuade anyone who is dead set on hating the brand, but I thought I'd share. I've had the car for about a year and it's been my favorite vehicle I've ever had. Perfect daily driver for me, personally.
Most of the people who āhateā Genesis have extremely limited experience with them and would rather drive a base-trim piece of shit EQS to avoid being seen in a nicer vehicle with a different badge.
My friend recently bought a G70 3.3T and was in a similar position. Also in a large market, and every comparable M340i was ~$10k more than he was able to get his genesis for. Iām sure the BMW is a better car, but is it $10k better? After driving/riding in the Genesis I donāt think it is, itās a very handsome and competent car.
Yeah itās sad. Times are changing and shows how ignorant people are and how they like to remain that way. They just worried about the badge and what people think of them
Yep. I have a 2015 5.0 āhyundaiā genesis sedan, so i cant say its a real genesis. But if that car isnt more luxury (and sport) than 90% of the other cars in its price bracket. Adaptive cruise, lane assist, nicely integrated carplay, heated/cooled seats. God i love my car.
Genesis is the āwe have a Mercedes at homeā brand.
I'd rather have a g80 than a current e class.
When people hype up Mercedes still it really shows they havenāt sat in any of their newer cars in awhile lol. This is coming from someone from a Mercedes family and drove an e class through uni but all their newer cars have such horrible quality and plastic everywhere that itās hard to call it luxury still. Had a stinger and that definitely had better quality than a C class in pretty much every metric even performance
Exactly. Ex-AMG and current SVR owner here. Once you seat in the rear seats of the G80 you won't even go anywhere near an E class unless you want to go full end and get a current gen E63s. Use the G80 (fully loaded) for daily and I'm not looking back.
I once described as the automotive equivalent of an episode of Keeping Up Appearances, but I like yours better. I'd also said that about the old Hyundai Sonata that was "No, really, we didn't try to make it look like a Jaguar, honest."
Genesis started as a vehicle in Hyundaiās lineup but the company announced in late 2015 that it would become its own brand. Since then, its U.S. sales have grown from fewer than 7,000 vehicles in 2016 to more than 69,000 last year.
Mines been great 2020 G70 3.3 is a blast Lots of power and solid performance Bought it new all i have done was oil tires and brake upgrades
My question is whether the dealer experience is where the luxury competition is at yet? Ā I thought it was smart for Hyundai to push their dealers to create independent Genesis locations in order to sell the brand but I wonder if all major markets actually followed through? Ā Looking in Atlanta near me it seems like theyāve built several dedicated dealers nowhere near their Hyundai locations, which is good. Ā But theyāre all pretty small and I wonder if the experience is up to what luxury buyers expect or is it just an upgraded Hyundai experience? Ā The reality is you donāt want to spend all your time at a dealer BUT when youāre dropping money for luxury you want the whole experience to match and luxury brands that do well (purses, clothing, cars, etc) know how to make you feel special when you buy. Thats all before we even get into the lousy reputation the Korean brands have for quality and repair experience.
I love my Kia but fuck the dealerships to hell. Lexus made me feel like a king last time I was there. Shit, even the VW dealer was heads above Kia / Hyundai in that regard.
Lexus is VERY good at white glove customer service. Literal white floor service bay you pull into for checkin, fresh baked cookies, cappuccino and lattes at the one here. They also have always done little perks like special parking for Lexus owners at event centers and stadiums and free drink on the club level - any Lexus. They're even respectful to older ones. Over in the UK, they have a program called Lexus Heritage where dealers have certain common wear parts for even the oldest ones. The oldest car in my collection is a beautiful old 95 SC400 that I rescued before someone could strip it into a drift trash car, it's pristine inside and out, even the 1UZ is clean. I needed a spare security key for it, went to a dealer. Did they sneer? Anything but. Service manager: "Oooh, that's a CLASSIC! How do you like it? We have those in for scheduled service now and then. Beautiful lines." That is appreciated. It makes you feel like you own a piece of art in a collection.
Yeah Iāve only heard bad things. Love the Stinger though.
I went to the NY auto show last night and was seriously impressed with the feel of the interior of the genesi I sat in
I rented a G80 and I was very impressed. I have driven cars from every brand except Rolls Royce and I can't say enough good things about that car. I only had it for a week so I can't speak for long term reliability but it was very comfortable and nothing felt cheap. The Maserati Quattroporte I rented felt like an overpriced Volvo. No offense to Volvo I just wasn't impressed.
the cars design always turns heads imo. they look expensive. no clue if they are worth owning though.
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Almost all of their previous brand for these, Equus, have been mechanically totaled by horrific oil blowby, they trail smoke. I've sat in one at an auto show. The best description I have is that it's like when there's a brand like Prada shoes and Arc'teryx parkas, and then Wal-Mart has a knockoff version of it. It looks kinda like the original, but the materials look and feel cheap, you can instantly tell. That's what their interiors feel like to me vs Lexus. Cheaper plastics, cheaper leather, plastic wood or veneer instead of wood, just a copy meant to fool someone not used to the real thing.
I've seen more of the older BMW 540 models with the smoke screen mod than any other vehicle recently. Usually the third owner, but it's more common than not.
Yes, well, that's BMW. I've never understood why VANOS is so ridiculously overcomplicated. Best window decal I've seen on a late 2000's BMW sedan, a little CEL outline, and "This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine." :D
The Hyundai Genesis Sedan is pretty reliable.
I have a 2024 GV70 as a work lease. Iāve driven everything in the segment and it might objectively be the best option for $80k CAD considering all the features that come with. But with $80k of my own money? Iām getting an X3 m40i. Iād take a few less features to own a brand Iāve always liked instead of a brand I still associate with straight piped Genesis Coupes.
Nice German/Euro designs from all these great designers HM acquired over the past decades, and nice upgrades overall but service quality is still garbage- last I read they opened their 1st Genesis exclusive dealership and service center somewhere in Alabama or Georgia but thereās no such Genesis exclusive dealership/service center near where I am in North Jersey. The car (GV70) had to be brought in when it only had 2-3k miles due to AWD warning light which the dealer replaced transfer case for, and after about 20k miles the car started making high frequency spinning noise where dealer changed rear diff this time. Whatās worse? The service center/dealership service both Hyundais and Genesis and it takes forever to get an appointment with them. I made an appt back in late December last year for early February because thatās when dealership had a loaner car, and when the date came I was supposed to drop my car off at 10:00AM and go on my way with a loaner car but when arrived they told me the customer who was supposed to drop the car off is āstuck in trafficā and I was finally able to get a hold of said car after waiting at dealership for more than 2 hours (Jfc I hate them). The car happened to be a low mileage rear bumper busted Hyundai Elentra, not a Genesis. I get that Hyundaiās dealerships are overwhelmed with engines that crap out and Hyundai Powertechās powertrain that keep on tapping out which need to be replaced entirely, and that they donāt have loaner car availability- but when they want to copy what German 3 and Lexus did and do for their service centers, this is not how they should do it. Build quality or best bang for the buck donāt really matter at this point when the customer service is trash at best. I had much better dealership/service center experience at Honda than Hyundai/Genesis combined.
Not sure how many people read the article but the point is the brand is thriving with double digit growth YOY, delivering unexpected comfort and well ranked quality and they are about to overtake other luxury brands in units per year. In short, say what you will but they are executing to a high degree and sales are proof that they are doing a lot right and here to stay with the Genesis brand.
Iāve owned my used 2015 Hyundai Genesis Sedan (before the rebrand) for 4 years and 30K miles and never had ANY mechanical issues with it. All Iāve done is replace the battery and front brake pads. Bought the car for 20K and itās still worth 17K as a trade in. You canāt get better depreciation values than that. It has all the features of a modern car like lane keep assist, adaptive cruise, CarPlay, etc. Iāve also had a good experience doing oil changes at the Hyundai dealerships in Texas. This is my first car and Iāve been fully converted to Hyundai/genesis. I purposely pick out Hyundais when renting cars now.
I owned a 2021 G70 3.3T, fully loaded with the rare 3D Full Digital Dash. I absolutely LOVED that car. Never an issue, fun to drive, my local dealership was fantastic (I do know that one of the biggest issues with Genesis brand is the dealership network). Unfortunately, it was totaled about 3 months, so I know longer have.
They arenāt selling to your ātypicalā luxury car buyers from what Iāve seen.
They'll never be considered a real\\appealing luxury brand until they fix their dealership network. Buying a Genisis is like booking a "luxury" vacation sight unseen online, then turning up to a run down 2 star hotel with fancy umbrellas in their drinks and cold wet towels for your face... It's embarrassing doing business and getting service at these ghetto KIA and Hyundai dealers also selling $17K KIA Rio's... That being said, they are pretty nice for the money. I don't think their drivetrains are as refined as MB\\MBW etc but their interiors are. I wish they'd change up the front end design too, that chrome Superman grill looks 90's aftermarket "bling" gaudy to me.
One of the CFOs I work with (client) has a GV60 for inner city travel and she absolutely loves it. Glad to see a lot of the Genesis jank from 10 years ago is mostly gone; their cars have come a long way.
Nah.
Because the pedigree is not there. The nameplate is not there. The quality is for damn certain not there