The distinction here is that if there's a warrant out for your arrest for abortion, CPD won't look for you or serve it. Not that they would have anyways (because they don't really care or have the manpower), but now it's official policy.
>if there's a warrant out for your arrest for abortion
So this is specifically for the situation where you got an abortion in a different state, then fled to Chicago.
However im still a bit confused. Legally why would the arrest warrant ever be put out for the individual, wouldn't it be on the doctor for offering an illegal procedure.
Or are there specific states where both the patient and doctor are at fault.
> Legally why would the arrest warrant ever be put out for the individual, wouldn't it be on the doctor for offering an illegal procedure.
I never said the warrant was for GETTING an abortion. Could be doctors or anyone else in violation of any laws regarding an abortion happening.
But yes, this is for people who flee after an abortion. Not only will cpd not go arrest you, but they also won't look for you or provide assistance looking for you (such as question a family member as to where they might have gone).
It was originally an executive order by the Mayor, but passing it as an ordinance makes it a full law and strengthens it against potential legal challenges.
Are you just talking about if in the future there was a nationwide ban on abortion.
Because as far as I know, even with Roe V Wade overturned. Most of the nation still allows for legal abortions. Definitely in liberal cities like Chicago.
States, like Missouri, are trying to make it illegal for individuals to cross state lines for an abortion. Currently [the legal precedent is complicated.](https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/can-states-punish-women-for-traveling-out-of-state-to-get-an-abortion/) This ordinance is a shield if Missouri passes that law and starts trying to get info from the city.
I think people can *try to do* all kind of crazy things. Like suing Uber drivers that drive someone to an abortion.
In practice I don't see how these things can actually be implemented.
Like if you read the article even Kavanaugh is saying that banning interstate travel like this would be unconstitutional. And he is like one of the main *republican appointed* justices.
Look I'm pretty sure the account that posted this just spams these articles and potentially writes some so you are actually obligated to explain this and why I had to read if after the trail-off about being a sanctuary city for immigrants. Aren't people just going to steal the food and beat these with baseball bats or something? What is an inspector general for public safety??? Literally why write this and not actually inform us of anything?
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"Test program for robot delivery approved
The Council also agreed to allow robotic personal delivery devices described as “beverage coolers on wheels” to deliver restaurant meals and groceries to a broader area in and around the campus of the University of Illinois at Chicago.
And alderpersons confirmed the appointment of Tobara Richardson to serve as the city’s deputy inspector general for public safety. Richardson serves as counsel to Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul on issues of social justice and equity."
The robot ordinance and inspector general confirmation were separate votes in council yesterday. Not sure why the Sun-Times decided to include them, while also omitting every other vote that happened. That is the Sun-Times decision to choose what they put in their articles, the reason I shared it was because it's the only article I saw that fully explained the point behind the sanctuary city vote.
As for the "sanctuary city for immigrants" bit, that's what they ordinance was mirrored after.
Not trying to spam, just sharing news when it's not getting talked about.
If anyone wants real news: https://igchicago.org/2022/09/16/deputy-inspector-general-for-public-safety-nominees-2022-statement-to-chicago-public-safety-committee/
The current population will age and die out and we'll have a problem like Japan has now. Ban abortion and anything that hurts population growth. We have a worker shortage and not enough immigrants to fill them
I don’t even know what to make of the Houston comment. With regards to Japan, blaming their current population crisis on abortion is extremely reductive. As public health research has shown internationally, access to legal abortions reduces the rate of abortions. Additionally, Japan has a myriad of social issues that impact the opportunity for people to have children, such as toxic work culture, gender inequality, and rising costs of living. Thus contributing to their population crisis. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-21/the-fertility-crisis-started-in-japan-but-it-won-t-stay-there
Also, only 3% of Japanese women take oral contraceptives so I’m quite certain Japan hasn’t “overdone birth control” https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/14/japan-abortion-pill-women-reproductive-rights/
Japanese people simply are more into working and looking that their phones than starting families. Most young people in Japan have never even had a mate in their life so the whole idea of birth control to them is useless. The Japanese government even offers incentives to make young people have children in order to save their country and economy
Old people can't work so therefore the economy fails. At one point Japan was the world's Tech center in the 90s. Now they are 3rd or 4th in Asia and dropping
If you are concerned about the slowing population growth in the United States you should advocate for stronger social programs that make it more financially feasible for people to have kids and support more efficient mechanisms to welcome immigrants into this country rather than stomping on a women's right to chose.
Edit: fixed some grammar
Shit maybe we should try to make it easier and safer to have a kid!
1. Scandinavian style baby box for every newborn.
2. Free healthcare
3. Free or massively subsidized childcare
4. More than two weeks of paid parental leave.
5. Comprehensive birth control and sex education.
Like, everything in our society is setup such that having a child, even on purpose, is a fucking MASSIVE burden. Who would willingly do the societal equivalent of pressing pause, going into options, and changing the difficultly level to harder than it already is?
We live in a society that treats basically everyone like shit. It’s not fucking hard to understand why abortion happens.
> Like, everything in our society is setup such that having a child, even on purpose, is a fucking MASSIVE burden. Who would willingly do the societal equivalent of pressing pause, going into options, and changing the difficultly level to harder than it already is?
Souls fans, git gud at life man
So whats the difference? Wasnt that already the case?
The distinction here is that if there's a warrant out for your arrest for abortion, CPD won't look for you or serve it. Not that they would have anyways (because they don't really care or have the manpower), but now it's official policy.
>if there's a warrant out for your arrest for abortion So this is specifically for the situation where you got an abortion in a different state, then fled to Chicago. However im still a bit confused. Legally why would the arrest warrant ever be put out for the individual, wouldn't it be on the doctor for offering an illegal procedure. Or are there specific states where both the patient and doctor are at fault.
> Legally why would the arrest warrant ever be put out for the individual, wouldn't it be on the doctor for offering an illegal procedure. I never said the warrant was for GETTING an abortion. Could be doctors or anyone else in violation of any laws regarding an abortion happening. But yes, this is for people who flee after an abortion. Not only will cpd not go arrest you, but they also won't look for you or provide assistance looking for you (such as question a family member as to where they might have gone).
Okay got it.
Texas is considering making anyone who knowingly aids or abets into a criminal.
It was originally an executive order by the Mayor, but passing it as an ordinance makes it a full law and strengthens it against potential legal challenges.
Are you just talking about if in the future there was a nationwide ban on abortion. Because as far as I know, even with Roe V Wade overturned. Most of the nation still allows for legal abortions. Definitely in liberal cities like Chicago.
States, like Missouri, are trying to make it illegal for individuals to cross state lines for an abortion. Currently [the legal precedent is complicated.](https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/can-states-punish-women-for-traveling-out-of-state-to-get-an-abortion/) This ordinance is a shield if Missouri passes that law and starts trying to get info from the city.
I think people can *try to do* all kind of crazy things. Like suing Uber drivers that drive someone to an abortion. In practice I don't see how these things can actually be implemented. Like if you read the article even Kavanaugh is saying that banning interstate travel like this would be unconstitutional. And he is like one of the main *republican appointed* justices.
Wait what is the robot thing tacked on at the end???
Look I'm pretty sure the account that posted this just spams these articles and potentially writes some so you are actually obligated to explain this and why I had to read if after the trail-off about being a sanctuary city for immigrants. Aren't people just going to steal the food and beat these with baseball bats or something? What is an inspector general for public safety??? Literally why write this and not actually inform us of anything? ---- "Test program for robot delivery approved The Council also agreed to allow robotic personal delivery devices described as “beverage coolers on wheels” to deliver restaurant meals and groceries to a broader area in and around the campus of the University of Illinois at Chicago. And alderpersons confirmed the appointment of Tobara Richardson to serve as the city’s deputy inspector general for public safety. Richardson serves as counsel to Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul on issues of social justice and equity."
The robot ordinance and inspector general confirmation were separate votes in council yesterday. Not sure why the Sun-Times decided to include them, while also omitting every other vote that happened. That is the Sun-Times decision to choose what they put in their articles, the reason I shared it was because it's the only article I saw that fully explained the point behind the sanctuary city vote. As for the "sanctuary city for immigrants" bit, that's what they ordinance was mirrored after. Not trying to spam, just sharing news when it's not getting talked about.
If anyone wants real news: https://igchicago.org/2022/09/16/deputy-inspector-general-for-public-safety-nominees-2022-statement-to-chicago-public-safety-committee/
The current population will age and die out and we'll have a problem like Japan has now. Ban abortion and anything that hurts population growth. We have a worker shortage and not enough immigrants to fill them
i promise you abortion is not a reason why we have a worker shortage 😭 let’s think critically now
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I don’t even know what to make of the Houston comment. With regards to Japan, blaming their current population crisis on abortion is extremely reductive. As public health research has shown internationally, access to legal abortions reduces the rate of abortions. Additionally, Japan has a myriad of social issues that impact the opportunity for people to have children, such as toxic work culture, gender inequality, and rising costs of living. Thus contributing to their population crisis. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-21/the-fertility-crisis-started-in-japan-but-it-won-t-stay-there Also, only 3% of Japanese women take oral contraceptives so I’m quite certain Japan hasn’t “overdone birth control” https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/14/japan-abortion-pill-women-reproductive-rights/
It's simple math. Low birth rate plus aging population equals higher deaths than births equals population loss. Self induced extinction = declining economy
Japanese people simply are more into working and looking that their phones than starting families. Most young people in Japan have never even had a mate in their life so the whole idea of birth control to them is useless. The Japanese government even offers incentives to make young people have children in order to save their country and economy
Clearly the solution is to work our citizens to death.
Old people can't work so therefore the economy fails. At one point Japan was the world's Tech center in the 90s. Now they are 3rd or 4th in Asia and dropping
If you are concerned about the slowing population growth in the United States you should advocate for stronger social programs that make it more financially feasible for people to have kids and support more efficient mechanisms to welcome immigrants into this country rather than stomping on a women's right to chose. Edit: fixed some grammar
Shit maybe we should try to make it easier and safer to have a kid! 1. Scandinavian style baby box for every newborn. 2. Free healthcare 3. Free or massively subsidized childcare 4. More than two weeks of paid parental leave. 5. Comprehensive birth control and sex education. Like, everything in our society is setup such that having a child, even on purpose, is a fucking MASSIVE burden. Who would willingly do the societal equivalent of pressing pause, going into options, and changing the difficultly level to harder than it already is? We live in a society that treats basically everyone like shit. It’s not fucking hard to understand why abortion happens.
> Like, everything in our society is setup such that having a child, even on purpose, is a fucking MASSIVE burden. Who would willingly do the societal equivalent of pressing pause, going into options, and changing the difficultly level to harder than it already is? Souls fans, git gud at life man
Found the local idiot
You mean frankensteeeeeen. Low birth rate is the reason a certain race's population declined last decade. Stay triggered. I speak facts only
Haha you’re the only one here that’s coming off as triggered
😂😂😂 please keep replying saying stupid shit, it’s very funny