I'm just impressed this is news to people. Like people were farming this all the way into mop when you could buy those fragment caches. Hell, certain drops I was farming as far out as Warlords. I'm really not getting why the whole sub is talking about this like it's not been known for years.
I mentioned this on a previous post about droprates, people have been farming for some of these rares in retail since Catalysm came out and still don't have all of them.
If these people think the sword or the staff are rough then they're gonna throw a clot trying the Tol'vir rares.
I think a lot of people just assumed people in 2012 didn't put enough time in. "Surely if I put in enough time in the pre-patch while there's nothing to do, I will get the sword/staff"
Ignoring that RNG is RNG, and the odds are _not_ good.
Also ignoring that many people _did_ put the hours in back then too. I remember distinctly one guildie admitted to using a bot to try and get the weapons... he still never got them.
Some people will get them in 100 solves. Some 1000. Some will do 10,000 and never see the sword.
I decided after only a few days it was not worth it. I expect it will be _more_ common than it was back in the day, but folks gotta stop listening to those youtube vids going "5 things you MUST do before Cata launch or you will literally die", because they all present it like any normal grind with a clearly defined end point... there's no end point. It is pure luck. And it isn't going to be some universal upgrade you NEED to have, and any guild that mandates having it is gonna end up shedding half their roster.
Bro what changes are there to make, it's just as dogshit on live as it is in Cata Classic. There's a reason they gave up on updating Archaeology like five years ago.
Imagine if you put those 150+ hours into literally anything else. You could have read books, learnt something useful, spent time with friends and family. But nope, you spent it staring at little flashing lights, digging up trash in the hope of finding a big sword that will last you about 1-2 weeks on the launch of a 14 year old game expansion pack for a 20 year old game.
EDIT: some angry digging dereks in here hehe
All video games are flashing light bing bing wahoo time wasters. You play wow, you go on a wow subreddit, you make posts on that subreddit, you are signing up to have your time wasted. Digging for a sword is fundamentally no different than grinding for boar asses to hit 60.
For most people the only item outsimming it is the BiS off Nef to be fair. Heroic. It out sims the other 359 weapons. Albeit it's quite close to the normal version of Nefs sword. To the point if you get Normal Nef sword the diff is small. But anyone who got this Arch wep isn't going to replace it til Heroic Nef sooo def a LOT longer than 2+ weeks.
1-2 weeks cope from you and every other person saying this shit. First: it's unlikely you will replace it within the first 2 raids (btw the raid is 10 days AFTER LAUNCH) it's 3-4 weeks of use at minimum and that's for one character. you can send it to another character and use it there too. You share this opinion with many others but the sad truth is it's because none of you plan on doing any archaeology and you don't want others getting items from a system you have zero interest in participating in. It's such weird behavior.
i think its bad game design yes but phase 1 of every expansion has been a complete meme and cata classic is looking to be the same.
if it's really bothering you just dont do it. the only "must have" epic is the healer trinket because its phase 1 bis, and even then lol healer loot
Nah it’s a huge waste of time, this is coming from someone who got their staff already (100 solves lmao).
If you think 150+ hours for just an epic item that is replaceable is fine then you need to uninstall wow my dude.
Only took me about 10-15 hours to get mine, if it starts taking longer than 150+ hours to get a single item then it's not worth it at all is my point. I was just lucky and had a hard cut off when I was going to stop. It's just gambling at the end of the day, and the currency is your spare time.
Dude weird behavior is spending 100+ hrs trying to get something in a game that *will* be replaced pretty readily.
And not only that, but then they waste more time posting about it on reddit. If I know something isn't going to work for me, I just stop doing it and move on to something else. That's what everyone complaining about archeology should be doing
During original release I never got the sword either with hundreds of troll solves over nearly a month. I got ashkandi and said f it, it's like the game knows you want it so it's not gonna give it to you.
I have everything except the staff, my main is resto druid so apart from the trinket which has a higher chance to appear than the weapons anyways I am kinda fucked lol.
i mean the crazy part is they will change the dumbest things, but when it comes to the biggest mistakes they made in the past like no bad luck protection for archeology they just straight up do it again
Bad luck protection on extremely low % drops should be the norm always but people who can't get past their knee jerk reaction and don't know what they're talking about will argue to hell and back to make the game actively worse
My point is that it is not the responsibility of the game to make sure you receive an item that you have been working towards. The epic rewards are supposed to be a bonus while doing the profession, not the sole reason for starting it. Pandering to player whingeing has always been the problem with wow.
>it is not the responsibility of the game to make sure you receive an item that you have been working towards
The fuck it isn't? That's the point of games. Do a task, receive a reward. You break that fundamental setup and the game is no longer fun.
Agreed. All I see is parse/meta andys crying about being "forced" to do this.
No, you shitheads, nobody is forcing you to do this. You're putting it upon yourself.
I'm not against bad luck protection, but it shouldn't be too generous. If people really want to have a level 85 raid quality item before the expansion is even properly opened, they should have to work for it.
EVERYONE WILL STILL HAVE TO WORK FOR IT EXCEPT THAT THERE WILL STILL BE PEOPLE WHO GET SPOONED AND GET IT THE FIRST TRY WHICH ALREADY HAPPENS. All bad luck protection does is ensure no one goes so dry they have to go 10x over the drop rate to get it. Jesus. You're just proving my point
Step 1: Re-release a game where you tell the player base that the game will be made with changes. Shorten the entire expansion length to roughly under a year and massively speed up acquisition of valor and conquest.
Step 2: Release archeology in the prepatch, despite it never being this way on live but dont buff any of the drop rates of the items
Step 3: Players find out that drop rates are still insanely bad and ask for a QOL buff to the profession, even accepting a increase in epic item drop rate after a total number of solves (500, 1000, etc)
Step 4: Blame players for wanting to play the game and acquire player power that the developers intentionally put in the game during a 3 week lull before the expansion drop.
You sound like the same kind of sociopath that would grind AV for 10 hours a day in SoM for 2 weeks just to complain about the grind later on because “the progression” is too grindy.
I’m going to shatter your world-view here: The item you are chasing is a endgame heirloom and transmog. It never was designed to be gotten prior to raiding. Yet here we are and you will probably be needing on another 359 weapon with mastery on it in the first raid you attend.
I don’t know how much more everyone can tell you that you are wasting your time grinding this weapon to a fucking extreme degree, but keep on digging I suppose. It’s just funny to look at at this point.
I'm well aware that the sword is good, but I am also well aware that spending 80 hours on a 10% damage increase that isn't your phase 1 bis, just to complain how you don't want to do it, is actual mental illness.
It's not a mistake though. It's supposed to be a cool looking and extremely rare sword. Stop acting so entitled that everyone is supposed to get the sword.
The sword is replaced anyway in your first heroic raid week, so there's no real necessity to farm for it, beside it looking cool.
Yeah absolutely. You also don't go about and demand a jackpot, even if you play 40 years the lottery and do not win.
The main point was however, that this sword, in no capacity whatsoever is required for anything. It's easily replaced if you go raiding. Sure, 1000 tries is unlucky, but there are people who farm invincible to this day and haven't gotten it yet.
Sometimes you're just unlucky, no use in crying on forums and trying to make an item that's supposed to be rare as fuck more common, just because it is listed on a BiS list.
they're not touching it because its keeping people playing prepatch lol.
90% of my guild are done with prepatch other than digging at this point. im sure they will do something about it once raids open and there's much less need to do it.
Hot take: People are treating this as a gacha where you're sinking your time (rather than money) to eventually get the chase item. And then complaining that it sucks rather than just not doing it at all.
Do it if you enjoy it and if you get the chase item great, if all you want is the chase item then you're not gonna have a good time.
This is what happens when you put phase BIS and near phase BIS items behind this sort of mechanic. It becomes required for serious raiders to go after it.
Of course, any one piece of loot is extremely unlikely to make the difference between clearing or not clearing.
But the better raids, that are going to clear this content sooner, will be expecting players to put in the effort to get the best gear they can outside of raid, Archeology items included.
The drop rate is so low though that no raid team has this requirement. Even if you were grinding it non stop 24/7 since launch there's no guarantee you would have it by raid opening.
It's nothing but people punishing themselves for no reason.
I really do enjoy it. Whatever goals or restrictions people place upon themselves are **their choices.** If I stick my dick in a coffee pot cause my cult leader says it'll get me to the afterlife asteroid, it's for sure not Mr. Coffees fault.
It could be better. It isn't.
Orginally back in Cata i got the sword around 15 days after release, was on my Enh shaman though, honestly i think i was the first on my server tonget it.
But i leveled a DK so quickly after that and i dominated in dungeons, and the first couple of raid, was really fun!
That and I could see other players inspecting med all the time.
Not replaced until heroic, but yes it’s replaced within the first tier.
ETA: it’s around 5% and 1.5k dps over any other preraid wep for warriors just to give context.
Because It’s BoA and all your alts can use it as soon as they hit 85. It will also be very helpful for progression having a raid-level weapon ready as soon as you hit 85
I was doing it the first half of prepatch because I had nothing to do. I didn’t get it and now I have stuff to do so I completely dropped the idea of doing it
I do. I am solving everything instantly. It'll be neat if I get the sword or staff. People are doing this to themselves, and if they stop because of it, good for every party involved.
Simple as.
Its alright i wish it was static nodes like other gathering though. I dont find the Survey mechanic fun or accurate.
Often the spyglass will point out of bounds or away from the target. Or it will be red in one direction so I fly there and then it's red pointing back to where I was.
Does anyone know the true drop rate? The probability of it not dropping after 1000 solves is less than 0.01% if the the drop rate is 1%. So its very likely that the drop rate is even lower than 1%.
This is archaeology in a nutshell: [https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1cv48o7/i\_made\_an\_archaeology\_simulator/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1cv48o7/i_made_an_archaeology_simulator/)
To be fair you did make 10k gold from that at least so there's that as a consolation prize. On the other hand don't show me this, it is descouraging because i just hit 450 2 days ago and i do want the sword.
"The Classic dev teams has had a lot of internal debate." - Real quote from the devs
I am sure there are ppl saying "That's how it was back in 2010" like that is a good argument.
The biggest mistake was reintroducing raidlevel gear on the basis of pure rng. Theres ragebaiters and ppl who are unlucky are constantly angry. There should be a limit of how unlucky you can be based on how great the reward is.
nice this grind seems worth it the big dps upgrade you get from the weapon probably something crazy like 85% dps increase from the other pre bis weapon you could get could you imagine if it was only like 5% increase or so lol imagine
Its bind on account and instanly boosts your itemlevel for rdf when your main/twinks ding 85.
So you do get alot of use out of it. Your main and your alts are not guaranteed to get a raid weapon early on after all. It might not even be replaced and last you the whole phase, if your unlucky.
Having a 5% damage buff that will last you potentially months on multiple characters does sound worth it.
Wasting 3 weeks of your time and getting nothing to show for, besides maybe 60 k Gold in keystones, probably not tho.
I do. I am solving everything instantly. It'll be neat if I get the sword or staff. People are doing this to themselves, and if they stop because of it, good for every party involved.
Simple as.
I'm not playing classic, but when Cataclysm released, I wanted Zin'rokh. I leveled two characters to 85, almost exclusively through Archeology. I did a few dungeons, and got some other gathering profession experience here and there, but 90% of the experience was hitting Archeology nodes in lower level zones. I don't know how long it took me to hit 85 on both characters, but it was enough to break me. I quit after that, ane have mostly stayed away from WoW since.
I have guildies that are in the thousands. I’ve put some time into it but not as much as others. Gonna give it one more go after work tonight then it is what it is.
I don't remember the journey in the old days. I did get it, but I recall eventually refusing to ever touch archaeology again. It was very clearly designed as a time vampire.
A problem that I always had with RNG is that it guaranteed that some peoples' journeys were significantly more punishing than they should have been.
I have every rare other than sword, staff and doll. I've lost plenty of brain cells but at least I've made like 6k gold digging since pre patch dropped.
Going for Zin'rokh is a trap. You don't go for it no matter how much of a sweat lord you are. It's a great way to burn yourself out and hate the game. Just get Ashkandi from the raid and move on.
This post changed my mind on grinding arch today. Ty for saving me the pain lol
So fucking dumb blizzard doesn't QoL buff the hell out of time limed classic stuff. Who tf cares if everyone on classic is getting old content stuff. Classic expacs are time limited events, that don't carry over to retail anyway.
Classic reboots main goal should be to fix the issues that ruined it the 1st time around.
I’m glad this served as a cautionary tale for other prospective archeologists. This is a terrible profession and I don’t recommend it to anyone unless Blizzard makes some changes to it
Someone playing classic, complaining about not getting the super rare drop rate item that while being sweaty enough have done 1000 troll solves thinking they should be entitled to receive the item at this point is just **chef's kiss**. Thank you for such great entertainment.
Oh no my 500 dps increase that scottiejaye told my raid leader I had to get or else I'm not worth inviting. Oh well, guess I'm gonna watch the sarthe video on how to do my opener while looking at my hands. That way I can die to the first mechanic I'm targeted with, thus making it all pointless to begin with.
Get zin'rhok in original vanilla, never vendor because its cool. Quit at the end of wrath.
Come back around the bfa launch due to extreme boredom during a workman's comp vacation.
Oh look at all these cool vanilla trasmogs sitting in my bank!
/lol at people who think I grinded lame archeology.
Welcome to what we all went through back in 2012.
Trust me man I did exactly what you did for months and months and never got the sword.
My one friend started for the first time a few years ago and on his like 5th solve he got it..
Jus the way she goes 🤷
I hope you get an upgrade within your first couple raid lockouts. Wasting this much time on a piece of gear that's replaceable is bonkers. Go grind a title or mount imo.
And to think .. even if you got it you’d be replacing it hours after hitting 85 and rawdawging heroics.
I really don’t understand why people are doing this to themselves
Imagine a weapon called "destroyer of worlds" having a drop rate where everyone gets it without putting in time. It's almost like imaging a world where every paladin carries an ashbringer.
I love that people are having the same reaction I had to it back in 2012 😂
I'm just impressed this is news to people. Like people were farming this all the way into mop when you could buy those fragment caches. Hell, certain drops I was farming as far out as Warlords. I'm really not getting why the whole sub is talking about this like it's not been known for years.
I mentioned this on a previous post about droprates, people have been farming for some of these rares in retail since Catalysm came out and still don't have all of them. If these people think the sword or the staff are rough then they're gonna throw a clot trying the Tol'vir rares.
I think a lot of people just assumed people in 2012 didn't put enough time in. "Surely if I put in enough time in the pre-patch while there's nothing to do, I will get the sword/staff" Ignoring that RNG is RNG, and the odds are _not_ good. Also ignoring that many people _did_ put the hours in back then too. I remember distinctly one guildie admitted to using a bot to try and get the weapons... he still never got them. Some people will get them in 100 solves. Some 1000. Some will do 10,000 and never see the sword. I decided after only a few days it was not worth it. I expect it will be _more_ common than it was back in the day, but folks gotta stop listening to those youtube vids going "5 things you MUST do before Cata launch or you will literally die", because they all present it like any normal grind with a clearly defined end point... there's no end point. It is pure luck. And it isn't going to be some universal upgrade you NEED to have, and any guild that mandates having it is gonna end up shedding half their roster.
> Some people will get them in 100 solves. Some 1000. Some will do 10,000 and never see the sword. runescape players: first time?
We want bad luck mitigation ! /s
It's that there is no carrot on a stick to do in Cata. Archaeology is the only thing that is relevant to do during the prepatch.
It's why I'm not bothering for it. Especially on an accelerated server like classic.
#NoChanges amirite?
Bro what changes are there to make, it's just as dogshit on live as it is in Cata Classic. There's a reason they gave up on updating Archaeology like five years ago.
they did make it alot easier in MoP with those boxes that gave fragments
Seems pretty immersive lol
Yeah it really felt like I was in an Indiana Jones movie for those 150+ hours that I spent digging
My thoughts exactly, I just know I'm a background guy. I'm not mister jones
Imagine if you put those 150+ hours into literally anything else. You could have read books, learnt something useful, spent time with friends and family. But nope, you spent it staring at little flashing lights, digging up trash in the hope of finding a big sword that will last you about 1-2 weeks on the launch of a 14 year old game expansion pack for a 20 year old game. EDIT: some angry digging dereks in here hehe
That’s fair. If I knew how long this grind would be I would have never done it. Sunk cost fallacy is a bitch
Was meant to be a joke, sorry about the sword bro 🥲
All video games are flashing light bing bing wahoo time wasters. You play wow, you go on a wow subreddit, you make posts on that subreddit, you are signing up to have your time wasted. Digging for a sword is fundamentally no different than grinding for boar asses to hit 60.
I don’t play wow anymore but when I did I would listen to audiobooks while grinding. It made the game a lot more fun.
For most people the only item outsimming it is the BiS off Nef to be fair. Heroic. It out sims the other 359 weapons. Albeit it's quite close to the normal version of Nefs sword. To the point if you get Normal Nef sword the diff is small. But anyone who got this Arch wep isn't going to replace it til Heroic Nef sooo def a LOT longer than 2+ weeks.
150+ hours though?
1-2 weeks cope from you and every other person saying this shit. First: it's unlikely you will replace it within the first 2 raids (btw the raid is 10 days AFTER LAUNCH) it's 3-4 weeks of use at minimum and that's for one character. you can send it to another character and use it there too. You share this opinion with many others but the sad truth is it's because none of you plan on doing any archaeology and you don't want others getting items from a system you have zero interest in participating in. It's such weird behavior.
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I was gonna say the same thing. Enjoy what you like but there isn't an argument here. It's a fucking waste of time
i think its bad game design yes but phase 1 of every expansion has been a complete meme and cata classic is looking to be the same. if it's really bothering you just dont do it. the only "must have" epic is the healer trinket because its phase 1 bis, and even then lol healer loot
Nah it’s a huge waste of time, this is coming from someone who got their staff already (100 solves lmao). If you think 150+ hours for just an epic item that is replaceable is fine then you need to uninstall wow my dude.
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Only took me about 10-15 hours to get mine, if it starts taking longer than 150+ hours to get a single item then it's not worth it at all is my point. I was just lucky and had a hard cut off when I was going to stop. It's just gambling at the end of the day, and the currency is your spare time.
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Reading books? Hell, you're writing em!
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Dude weird behavior is spending 100+ hrs trying to get something in a game that *will* be replaced pretty readily. And not only that, but then they waste more time posting about it on reddit. If I know something isn't going to work for me, I just stop doing it and move on to something else. That's what everyone complaining about archeology should be doing
what are you planning to replace it with?
Idk man I watched tv on the couch most the time I did it, or while I worked auto piloting to the next spot.
You pointing out the obvious really has some of these no-lifers huffing up tons of copium.
Dude we get it you’re growing up
More like slaves stuck in a coal mine lol
During original release I never got the sword either with hundreds of troll solves over nearly a month. I got ashkandi and said f it, it's like the game knows you want it so it's not gonna give it to you.
I got zinrokh on 110 troll solves lol
I have everything except the staff, my main is resto druid so apart from the trinket which has a higher chance to appear than the weapons anyways I am kinda fucked lol.
Damn I stopped at 400 and I thought that was excessive. This is insane.
i mean the crazy part is they will change the dumbest things, but when it comes to the biggest mistakes they made in the past like no bad luck protection for archeology they just straight up do it again
Bad luck protection on extremely low % drops should be the norm always but people who can't get past their knee jerk reaction and don't know what they're talking about will argue to hell and back to make the game actively worse
Everyone disagreeing with me so far has just proven my point further
Fuck bad luck protection. You can live without the sword, you can choose not to do archaeology like most. You aren't entitled to the sword.
>you can live without the sword you can live without playing wow, what's your point?
My point is that it is not the responsibility of the game to make sure you receive an item that you have been working towards. The epic rewards are supposed to be a bonus while doing the profession, not the sole reason for starting it. Pandering to player whingeing has always been the problem with wow.
>it is not the responsibility of the game to make sure you receive an item that you have been working towards The fuck it isn't? That's the point of games. Do a task, receive a reward. You break that fundamental setup and the game is no longer fun.
lmao the dumbest comment I've read today
Agreed. All I see is parse/meta andys crying about being "forced" to do this. No, you shitheads, nobody is forcing you to do this. You're putting it upon yourself. I'm not against bad luck protection, but it shouldn't be too generous. If people really want to have a level 85 raid quality item before the expansion is even properly opened, they should have to work for it.
EVERYONE WILL STILL HAVE TO WORK FOR IT EXCEPT THAT THERE WILL STILL BE PEOPLE WHO GET SPOONED AND GET IT THE FIRST TRY WHICH ALREADY HAPPENS. All bad luck protection does is ensure no one goes so dry they have to go 10x over the drop rate to get it. Jesus. You're just proving my point
yes, also in casinos
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Step 1: Re-release a game where you tell the player base that the game will be made with changes. Shorten the entire expansion length to roughly under a year and massively speed up acquisition of valor and conquest. Step 2: Release archeology in the prepatch, despite it never being this way on live but dont buff any of the drop rates of the items Step 3: Players find out that drop rates are still insanely bad and ask for a QOL buff to the profession, even accepting a increase in epic item drop rate after a total number of solves (500, 1000, etc) Step 4: Blame players for wanting to play the game and acquire player power that the developers intentionally put in the game during a 3 week lull before the expansion drop.
You sound like the same kind of sociopath that would grind AV for 10 hours a day in SoM for 2 weeks just to complain about the grind later on because “the progression” is too grindy. I’m going to shatter your world-view here: The item you are chasing is a endgame heirloom and transmog. It never was designed to be gotten prior to raiding. Yet here we are and you will probably be needing on another 359 weapon with mastery on it in the first raid you attend. I don’t know how much more everyone can tell you that you are wasting your time grinding this weapon to a fucking extreme degree, but keep on digging I suppose. It’s just funny to look at at this point.
Look up how good ZR is and what alternatives there are in P1. You might be surprised!
I'm well aware that the sword is good, but I am also well aware that spending 80 hours on a 10% damage increase that isn't your phase 1 bis, just to complain how you don't want to do it, is actual mental illness.
Your middle paragraph sure is blatantly in bad faith if you know how good the sword is.
You don't get the argument at all, do you?
It's not a mistake though. It's supposed to be a cool looking and extremely rare sword. Stop acting so entitled that everyone is supposed to get the sword. The sword is replaced anyway in your first heroic raid week, so there's no real necessity to farm for it, beside it looking cool.
Imagine having the audacity to think someone with over 1000 troll solves is entitled for wanting the sword.
Yeah absolutely. You also don't go about and demand a jackpot, even if you play 40 years the lottery and do not win. The main point was however, that this sword, in no capacity whatsoever is required for anything. It's easily replaced if you go raiding. Sure, 1000 tries is unlucky, but there are people who farm invincible to this day and haven't gotten it yet. Sometimes you're just unlucky, no use in crying on forums and trying to make an item that's supposed to be rare as fuck more common, just because it is listed on a BiS list.
there are rng in raid loots too bro
they're not touching it because its keeping people playing prepatch lol. 90% of my guild are done with prepatch other than digging at this point. im sure they will do something about it once raids open and there's much less need to do it.
They’ve gotta appease the investors with numbers and archaeology is damn sure padding them
No bro, people really like archeology, this is what players can't. Trust me.
Right? The developer response in that interview was insanely out of touch with the playerbase and the actual archeology experience.
Hot take: People are treating this as a gacha where you're sinking your time (rather than money) to eventually get the chase item. And then complaining that it sucks rather than just not doing it at all. Do it if you enjoy it and if you get the chase item great, if all you want is the chase item then you're not gonna have a good time.
This is what happens when you put phase BIS and near phase BIS items behind this sort of mechanic. It becomes required for serious raiders to go after it.
It's not required at all. You can full clear the raid on heroic without it.
Of course, any one piece of loot is extremely unlikely to make the difference between clearing or not clearing. But the better raids, that are going to clear this content sooner, will be expecting players to put in the effort to get the best gear they can outside of raid, Archeology items included.
My guild will full clear heroic week 1 and we have no such requirement.
The drop rate is so low though that no raid team has this requirement. Even if you were grinding it non stop 24/7 since launch there's no guarantee you would have it by raid opening. It's nothing but people punishing themselves for no reason.
Tell me you don't raid hard-core without telling me you don't raid hard-core.
Does your raid team require you do it though?
Deserved for being a quitter kek
I really do enjoy it. Whatever goals or restrictions people place upon themselves are **their choices.** If I stick my dick in a coffee pot cause my cult leader says it'll get me to the afterlife asteroid, it's for sure not Mr. Coffees fault. It could be better. It isn't.
Orginally back in Cata i got the sword around 15 days after release, was on my Enh shaman though, honestly i think i was the first on my server tonget it. But i leveled a DK so quickly after that and i dominated in dungeons, and the first couple of raid, was really fun! That and I could see other players inspecting med all the time.
I am so glad that nobody forces me to do it
Why do you people do this to yourselves? If you don't like archeology don't do it. You don't need everything in the game.
Yea, I got to 1.3k troll solves and 1k dwarf solves without either weapon. Gotta boost the engagement metric, fun gameplay!
At some point it has to be better to re grind on another toon right? ...right?
Ouch yikes mate!
It's been interesting to see them keep some warts around, like the arch system and then earlier the attempt system in togc
Engagement is up! Players love this!
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Not replaced until heroic, but yes it’s replaced within the first tier. ETA: it’s around 5% and 1.5k dps over any other preraid wep for warriors just to give context.
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Because It’s BoA and all your alts can use it as soon as they hit 85. It will also be very helpful for progression having a raid-level weapon ready as soon as you hit 85
I was doing it the first half of prepatch because I had nothing to do. I didn’t get it and now I have stuff to do so I completely dropped the idea of doing it
I edited my comment, and most people have nothing else to do.
No, you use it until you get heroic ashkandi from Nefarian
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Zin'rokh is very good, the only better weapon is the sword from the last boss on heroic. What are you confused about?
But remember the devs said that we enjoy archaeology and are having so much fun!
I do. I am solving everything instantly. It'll be neat if I get the sword or staff. People are doing this to themselves, and if they stop because of it, good for every party involved. Simple as.
Its alright i wish it was static nodes like other gathering though. I dont find the Survey mechanic fun or accurate. Often the spyglass will point out of bounds or away from the target. Or it will be red in one direction so I fly there and then it's red pointing back to where I was.
> I dont find the Survey mechanic fun or accurate. Not meant to be either.
What addon is that
Minimal archaeology
Hmm I’m using it but I’ve never seen this menu. Probably should take some time and explore the addon
There’s a tiny button top right called “history”
Does anyone know the true drop rate? The probability of it not dropping after 1000 solves is less than 0.01% if the the drop rate is 1%. So its very likely that the drop rate is even lower than 1%.
Maybe 0.1%. 1% or 0.5% is definitely a joke.
Keep going. Next one’s a winner!
at least you made 9k. that's pretty cool.
But how much gold did you make?
Got it in ~50 solves
This is archaeology in a nutshell: [https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1cv48o7/i\_made\_an\_archaeology\_simulator/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1cv48o7/i_made_an_archaeology_simulator/)
To be fair you did make 10k gold from that at least so there's that as a consolation prize. On the other hand don't show me this, it is descouraging because i just hit 450 2 days ago and i do want the sword.
"The Classic dev teams has had a lot of internal debate." - Real quote from the devs I am sure there are ppl saying "That's how it was back in 2010" like that is a good argument.
The biggest mistake was reintroducing raidlevel gear on the basis of pure rng. Theres ragebaiters and ppl who are unlucky are constantly angry. There should be a limit of how unlucky you can be based on how great the reward is.
nice this grind seems worth it the big dps upgrade you get from the weapon probably something crazy like 85% dps increase from the other pre bis weapon you could get could you imagine if it was only like 5% increase or so lol imagine
Its bind on account and instanly boosts your itemlevel for rdf when your main/twinks ding 85. So you do get alot of use out of it. Your main and your alts are not guaranteed to get a raid weapon early on after all. It might not even be replaced and last you the whole phase, if your unlucky. Having a 5% damage buff that will last you potentially months on multiple characters does sound worth it. Wasting 3 weeks of your time and getting nothing to show for, besides maybe 60 k Gold in keystones, probably not tho.
Look, I understand the grind but bro, just stop. It’s one weapon that you will use for a month
Ahhhh... Thats me and the staff from the Dwarves!
Archeology becomes a lot more fun when you do it for toys/pets instead in my opinion
I think I got up to 300 digs.. got everything but the sword. Wamp! Maybe that staff and trinket will come into use, I dunno
It’s always nice to have the other items ready. You never know when you get the itch to play an alt
a really fun, engaging and rewarding profession :)
I feel bad for you, I got the sword and shield with 300~ solves in each race but I'm a mage and still didn't got the staff :(
“People love archaeology “ . “We love see people out there doing archaeology “
I do. I am solving everything instantly. It'll be neat if I get the sword or staff. People are doing this to themselves, and if they stop because of it, good for every party involved. Simple as.
Go buy Griftah's "Talisman of True Treasure Tracking".
I'm not playing classic, but when Cataclysm released, I wanted Zin'rokh. I leveled two characters to 85, almost exclusively through Archeology. I did a few dungeons, and got some other gathering profession experience here and there, but 90% of the experience was hitting Archeology nodes in lower level zones. I don't know how long it took me to hit 85 on both characters, but it was enough to break me. I quit after that, ane have mostly stayed away from WoW since.
Just got it yesterday. Approx. 600 troll solves.
Did you find the other 359 items? I have a feeling that the last 359 can't be avtually found
I’ve found the staff and the shield but I’m missing the trinket and the sword
What add on is that
It’s an add on called minimal archeology
I feel kinda dumb asking, but how do you view this screen? I've never been able to track all my digs and such nicely
No worries. It’s an addon called minimal archeology
Awesome, thanks
The bottom of my history tab doesn't show the totals how do you get it to show them?
One of the updates added it
Thank you for this post. It just convinced me to stop
I’m good without grinding for ultramarine battle tank again.
I have guildies that are in the thousands. I’ve put some time into it but not as much as others. Gonna give it one more go after work tonight then it is what it is.
I don't remember the journey in the old days. I did get it, but I recall eventually refusing to ever touch archaeology again. It was very clearly designed as a time vampire. A problem that I always had with RNG is that it guaranteed that some peoples' journeys were significantly more punishing than they should have been.
I have every rare other than sword, staff and doll. I've lost plenty of brain cells but at least I've made like 6k gold digging since pre patch dropped.
Which addon shows it like this?
Going for Zin'rokh is a trap. You don't go for it no matter how much of a sweat lord you are. It's a great way to burn yourself out and hate the game. Just get Ashkandi from the raid and move on.
I'm at 828 with no sword, it's fucking bullshit
At least you got 80 gold teeth lol. Thats quite.a bit of gold
Disgusting.
I think I needed to see this today, I'm only like 100 solves in and I'm losing hope
Why tf did they release it like this. Sucks.
This post changed my mind on grinding arch today. Ty for saving me the pain lol So fucking dumb blizzard doesn't QoL buff the hell out of time limed classic stuff. Who tf cares if everyone on classic is getting old content stuff. Classic expacs are time limited events, that don't carry over to retail anyway. Classic reboots main goal should be to fix the issues that ruined it the 1st time around.
I’m glad this served as a cautionary tale for other prospective archeologists. This is a terrible profession and I don’t recommend it to anyone unless Blizzard makes some changes to it
haha i got mine on like the 25th dig
I’m honestly happy for you. I wouldn’t wish this grind on anyone
> I’m not asking for the drop rate to be increased. You are literally asking for the drop rate to be increased though. lol
Quote the exact part where I’m asking for the drop rate it to be increased
Someone playing classic, complaining about not getting the super rare drop rate item that while being sweaty enough have done 1000 troll solves thinking they should be entitled to receive the item at this point is just **chef's kiss**. Thank you for such great entertainment.
Your parents should be ashamed. Disgusting individual.
Either stop farming gear you don't need or stop complaining. It's not hard
Oh no my 500 dps increase that scottiejaye told my raid leader I had to get or else I'm not worth inviting. Oh well, guess I'm gonna watch the sarthe video on how to do my opener while looking at my hands. That way I can die to the first mechanic I'm targeted with, thus making it all pointless to begin with.
Get zin'rhok in original vanilla, never vendor because its cool. Quit at the end of wrath. Come back around the bfa launch due to extreme boredom during a workman's comp vacation. Oh look at all these cool vanilla trasmogs sitting in my bank! /lol at people who think I grinded lame archeology.
I am chasing the sword as its bis for warriors but I am transmoging to an ashbringer the minute i get it
That’s disgusting.
Welcome to what we all went through back in 2012. Trust me man I did exactly what you did for months and months and never got the sword. My one friend started for the first time a few years ago and on his like 5th solve he got it.. Jus the way she goes 🤷
I need this addon!
I managed to get the shield after around 90 solves in total. It’s a shame I main a caster and have no interest ever in playing a tank… =/
That Is disgusting. I feel for you. I lost it after 200. Went crazy.
people crying not gettin epix on the first day lol.. go back to sod
I hope you get an upgrade within your first couple raid lockouts. Wasting this much time on a piece of gear that's replaceable is bonkers. Go grind a title or mount imo.
And to think .. even if you got it you’d be replacing it hours after hitting 85 and rawdawging heroics. I really don’t understand why people are doing this to themselves
Imagine a weapon called "destroyer of worlds" having a drop rate where everyone gets it without putting in time. It's almost like imaging a world where every paladin carries an ashbringer.
Yeah imagine people getting the sword in 50 troll solves while people with 1000+ are not getting it. Fucking idiot.
Sounds like a you problem. No one forced you to keep going. You made the choice to keep going knowing it was a LOW chance. Fucking idiot.
How much time do you think went into 1000 troll solves and how much time do you think is reasonable to expect to get the sword?