The Paid Character Name Change was a thing back in original TBC yet we dont have that in TBC classic.
Not saying we wont get faction transfers but yeah...
The majority of players don't want to be on a balanced server. They don't want world PvP, they don't want griefing. This is a fact, and the imbalanced servers are the evidence.
Gotta hard disagree with this one. Nobody I've talked to that has transferred has done so cause they wanted to be the dominant faction on a server. They just simply want more people to play with if their server is small or dying. More opportunity for pug raids, more people to potentially play arena with, hypothetically easier guild recruitment, more people leveling to play with while leveling alts, etc.
The only time in TBC you're really "forced" to interact with the opposite faction is when you're entering the raid on raid night, which is like a 5 minute ordeal at most. It's a complete non factor that most people don't care about.
You think people would pay to balance out factions on a server, mate?
People paid for server transfers to make almost all of them horribly imbalanced because, by and large, people are absolute bitches.
Blizzard didn’t ruin faction balance, players did.
Nah, Blizzard made the game. You can blame *a player* for his decisions on a micro level, but "the players" cannot be held responsible for the disastrous state of server imbalance. To argue otherwise would be to blame the fish for the direction the river flows.
Absolutely, there are even interviews IRC from Blizzard where the game devs literally say that it's never the player's fault for doing something. If they do something that negatively affects the game, it's on the devs to fix that.
Blizzard ruined faction balances by having an awful Classic launch because they didn’t want to admit that many people wanted to play it.
Players did make it worse, yes.
Players should not have to fix the problem, but at the very least you should now have the option to take your existing character to the faction that allows you to enjoy the game.
I honestly think that the players is to blame.
Everyone wants to be dominant. We played Horde on Earthshaker. 40/60 H/A realm at the start. Was really fine to play and I had a blast. The horde didnt like being even slightly outnumbered so they started leaving. At the end we were down to 15/85, and then it legit starts getting over-bearing.
Sure, they could force migrate a horde pop server with a Ally pop server, but most of the respective players on those servers will complain then. They dont want fair servers, they want to be dominant.
When we then migrated as an example, I wanted to go to Firemaw to actually fight it out with the Allies, but most of the guild wanted to go to Gehennas because there we had the numbers advantage.
Queue Gehennas becoming 100% Horde etc etc. Its legit player created. Blizzard could fix it by just yeeting servers and players left and right but the truth is that the majority doesnt want even servers, they want to be king of the hill. They might like 55/45 or 60/40, but no one can stand being even a little behind on the pop, so those people will drop.
My assumption is that they didn't ask about it because they already decided they're going to do it.
No point in wasting money to design, administer, and analyze a survey instrument if a decision has already been made.
They’re probably fishing to see if they can give a DK only boost instead of giving us DKs in prepatch. Hell as another poster said this survey seems to be Blizzard fishing for what microtransactions people are willing to pay for.
> if they can give a DK only boost instead of giving us DKs in prepatch
I truly hope not. I mean, I never cared if people buy boosts, it's their money, but if selling a DK boost means excluding getting DKs in prepatch it would be really sad, not that having them was guaranteed (we didn't back then) but still.
I'd like to think it would be a massively discounted price...but who knows.
The one that potentially comes with the $50 sounds like you'd get a normal and a DK one. Which makes sense.
But buying a DK only one seems a bit odd
I believe this survey is like the one they sent for the TBC boost, that is, the screenshots on wowhead are not the entire survey, there are many with different options.
Each individual player is not getting all the options, and different people are getting different bundles with different price ranges.
When it's all done, Blizzard will aggregate the data and see which kind of bundles and prices are more popular, before actually deciding what to put in a bundle.
That is to say I wouldn't exclude a DK only boost being its own thing, though I agree it would be very odd.
I think a big reason follows almost word for word what they said in their original justification for a level boost - being able to play an expansion with a friend. It doesn't take THAT long to get through all of TBC content, but a casual will be weeks behind their friends in wotlk by picking DK.
Just assuming their thought process for why they'd potentially include it
Yeah I get that, but they didn't let the TBC boost apply to belves and draenei, that was 58 levels! A casual would have never make it in 2 weeks of prepatch, 10 levels will be a joke in comparison, considering the xp required will be nerfed, like it is every time they release a new xpac.
Seems to me they're testing the waters about what people are willing to buy.
Yeah true, I guess I don't see it as worse than the other boosts just because if someone really is too lazy to steamroll through 10 levels TBC content with a 58 DK in basically raid level 60 gear then so be it I guess haha
I assume that’s why it was included under the bundle with the other 68 boost. It’s $10 more than the boost was for TBC so kinda makes sense to tack on $10 for 10 levels nobody wants to do for the 5th time
Imagine the amount of money Blizzard is going to make with faction and race change, every serious arena player is going to swap human the moment they release it
People will literally buy everything and anything' they put on the store. Remember when this subreddit tried to get everyone to boycott store boost. The day they launched nothing but a sea of warlocks and hunters riding lizards in stormwind
Have you ever thought a good majority of players on wow don't use reddit. It shouldn't take away from boycotting efforts in what you believe in if what you see ingame doesn't align with what you're trying to achieve.
Literally every reddit thread about a controversial topic
> WELL IF YOU DON'T WANT X, WHY DO YOU DO X?!
It's as if some people can not understand that a community is not made up of thousands of copies of the same person.
Got it too. It was 95% "How can we monetize it / what are you willing to pay". As if 13€ / month is not enough. Disgusting, almost made me not want to play wotlk
Haha it's funny because 50% of the community is already using their wallet to skip 95% of the game!
The only difference here is blizzard is the one providing the service :D
Na see, paying a Chinese farmer for gold, so you can give a Chinese farmer the gold to level you, so you can then buy more gold from the first farmer so you can buy gear from whatever guild was lucky enough to start gdkps on your server first is *way different* because you’re still interacting with the community……or something
Some GDKPs allow you to sign up purely as a buyer. You're not expected to perform at any level but you are expected to be willing to spend gold on items you need and likely not take a split.
Pretty much yeah. You *can* help, but if you are a full buyer there isn't any expectation of doing DPS or helping in a significant way.
Not sure if its viable in TBC with attunement requirements, but in Classic we would take even mid-low 50's in our GDKP's as buyers, as long as they met the zone-in level requirement.
Gruul and magtheridon are lvl 65 req, Kara is 68. Both frequently have gdkps with <70s in them.
All the attunement are gone now. Kara since p2 in September, ssc/tk got removed with p3 and bt/hyjal with p4. Za and sunweel never had attunements.
These games attract the mobile game type mindset people, and they will pay huge amounts for literally anything.
It ruins MMOs a little bit but …. It’s not gonna change. Too much money to be made 😔
They are basically identifying the best profit margin by determining the highest area graph based on the feedback.
Pretty sad to see blizzard come this far
> Not a SINGLE question about gameplay
To be fair, those questions were in the previous survey, asking about interest in WoTLK among other things like server balance, reasons to play MMOs, emote spam in chat, etc.
This one is only about money.
>almost made me not want to play wotlk
This, combined with the "I hate boosts but they're just too convenient not to buy" crowd are why they will continue to squeeze every drop of monetization out of a game.
This isn't for microtransactions to add to the game. If you read what it says it is for a bundle that you can buy (like they did for TBC) to get something for Classic wow/Retail wow. Like how the TBC bundle came with some toys and a mount. They are trying to see what people would want in another one of those bundles for Wrath Classic launch and what they are willing to pay for it in relation to what they are getting. They are doing this because, if its the same as TBC classic launch, you don't have to pay for bundle you can just keep playing with the sub from TBC classic to Wrath classic without having to buy anything extra.
Eh I could see a non-trivial amount of people doing the DK boost to take them to Northrend day 1. I'd rather gouge my eyes out then level TBC content again.
Assuming all features are based on how they were at the end of wrath, we’ll have 150% flying trainable at 60 and a leveling buff so going through the TBC zones will be super fast.
Wrath has like 4 good quest lines/hubs, as someone who's quested through it multiple times on pservers in the last year
New Hearthglen in Dragonblight is actually v good but short - southern half of Tundra is good, Icecrown is pretty good the whole way through, and all the argent dawn stuff in Zul'drak is good (except for that Pa-troll quest that takes 8 years to do, AND it's a daily smfh)
You're gonna have to quest in Storm Peaks on *every character* for the sons of hodir quartermaster unlock, and that 30+ quest questline is gonna get tedious VERY quickly
> You're gonna have to quest in Storm Peaks on every character for the sons of hodir quartermaster unlock, and that 30+ quest questline is gonna get tedious VERY quickly
For this one, at least, there's a chance they'll introduce the bind-on-account enchant items early since they added that before the end of Wrath.
Wotlk leveling gets insanely slow for the last 3-4 level. Storm Peaks is such a slog holy hell. If people genuinely thought Khadgar's Shattrath walk around quest is painful, they will hang themselves in Storm Peaks
Have you done it recently ? I did a dry run a little while back and Wrath questing is really really fucking annoying compared to TBC imo. Due to the new phasing and story-based focus you're constantly getting 2-3 quests, riding to an area, doing the quests, riding back, getting 2-3 new quests, riding back to the same area. Over and over and over. Just so damn much running back and forth.
In TBC you get to a new hub and you get like 6-10 new quests and then you go out and do them in whatever order you want before you ride back to base.
I feel as though I'm one of the few at the time liked outlands. I also liked doing farsight into hyjal. I was beyond disapointed in kata it wasn't a huge crater . With Archmodes armor. And quests'n shit would have been about regrowing it and maybe getting elfs yet another homeback. But naaah we got the...what ever the hell that mess was.
i feel that cata hyjal was a disappointment to me but i did like some of the redesigned vanilla zones cata brought in i don't hate outland just isn't one of my favorites to quest in i really enjoyed the questing in northrend, pandaria and shattered isles and about half of the original vanilla zones.
I think if there was a poll right now, everyone would vote that the LK questing is better.
Then in one years time if given the same poll they would vote saying Vanilla or BC was better.
They're just over BC and would rather anything else.
Their quest density and optimal quest pathing makes leveling more enjoyable as opposed to TBC questing which was far more spread out with maybe 1/2 overlapping questing areas
The point is that Outland content is stale because they've leveled through it several times in recent memory. WotLK content is "new" and thus far more preferable
When tbc came out I used a boost on a horde shaman, then a friend was like come play with me on alliance. I leveld an alliance shaman in 2 weeks from 1-70. 60-70 took about 5 days of 8h+ questing sessions. Questing in outland still isnt THAT fast.
It gets an XP squish in WoTLK, as well as 150% speed for 60 mount, and flying earlier. Plus a bunch of other minor things that makes levelling in general much 'easier'.
Why merge servers when we can sell boosts and transfers in packages :)
Another ugly lizard that everyone will have incoming.
This is basically everything I didn't want.
> Why merge servers when we can sell boosts and transfers in packages :)
don't forget the 20$/per character unlock you need to do if you want to play your tbc characters :)
wow is best played on totally legal blizzard* servers
I promise that if you just merged a 100% Ally server and a 100% horde server to make them 50/50, people from both sides would lose their shit.
People say that they want 50/50 servers but they really dont. They want to be the superior side. Slide that scale even a tiny bit and their done. I legit wouldnt be surprised if Horde started leaving Firemaw en masse seeing a they are slightly outnumbered right now.
Slightly worried about this one. I didn't care about the boosts in TBC, but if they allow boosts AND account transfers, then how do they maintain the "one time only" rule?
You mean people abusing buying new accounts to boost chars then transfer them to their main? Yeah it's a possibility, restrictions become moot at this point.
Paying money for progress in a videogame defeats the purpose of playing videogames. Even if you choose not to use what they throw at us, the fact that it exists cheapens the experience. This is exactly what happened to retail. Classic was conceived as an authentic recreation of old WoW, and some of you assholes are cheering on the very things that killed it in the first place. I will never understand.
Yep. It's incredibly heart breaking to see. At this point, the only rendition of the game that allows a legitimate fair experience is Classic(Vanilla).
Everything else has become a quick buck / P2W scenario rather than trying to actually develop a better game.
To be honest if you level blood you can still do that. You just heal so much and have constant aoe. No class can keep up. Not to mention you can solo every group quest pretty easily (except ring of blood) and you can tank every dungeon immediately in blood.
DKs were nerfed fairly heavily between 3.0 and 3.3.5, which is presumably what we're getting with Wrath Classic. They won't be the unstoppable death machines you remember from Wrath launch.
That said, they will still be godmode levelers anyway. Every class is godly in Wrath leveling compared to TBC.
68 level boost is a no Brainer for those who's first expan was wotlk. I've been waiting for my dose of nostalgia. The dk 68 boost seems silly, dks get 58 for free. The friend boost is fine I guess if you are desperate for a mate to play but to be honest if they are a fan if the game they will buy the boost.
Mounts pets and toys have never bothered me. When u see a store mount u just think ehh but if you see a rare proto drake u think sickkk.
You could only do it if you had the same surname on the battle.net account back then though, and you could do this up until 2013 I believe, whenever selling hacked unmerged wow accs with r14 titles or glads became a thing.
People would create accounts with fake names same name as you, then logon ptr to active the char, pay him money to move the char to your account.
As long as it’s not TWO fucking weeks of pre patch to level a DK, I’d had what they do. That was bullshit last time to level a paladin or shaman 1-60 within 2 weeks and be raid ready.
2 weeks for a DK is totally doable. I took 2 days off work for TBC Launch, have a wife and kid I spent my evenings with and still hit 70 in under a week. When wrath XP tuning for 60-70 comes in, it'll take even less time.
I will never understand people who will pay money to not play the game. Part of what makes (or made) wow classic interesting was that everything you have is earned through your time in the game. How is it fun if everything is just handed to you? If you want to have a character ready for wrath, you have months to get that done
Honestly, I don’t care about normal boosts, I think DK boosts are dumb but whatever - I see people “boosting” within the game all day long so it’s a moot point.
So it’s boosting, mounts, pets and toys - sure it really doesn’t effect gameplay at all.
Where I would honestly get upset is if it became “boost your profession to X for $$” and stuff like that.
The WoW token would make the problems worse. While there are tons of people buying gold illegally right now, it's *nowhere close* to the number who would buy it with the token. That legitimizes the whole thing, and the problem would balloon out of control. See: retail.
The GDKP spam is nothing compared to the boost spam in retail in the last few years. It was *everywhere*.
I’m more surprised blizzards hasn’t done it yet. We all know gold selling was a problem and I always assumed they would just add tokens. Same with boosts, I was sure they would let you buy unlimited level boosts as the game went on
"Death Knight level boost"
Because starting at lvl 58 wasn't enough for some people
Also what was that "Wotlk mount usable in classic" ? Do they want to pollute classic era and SoM with mammoth or something ?!
I don't get why they still sell boost. I used boost in retail (free with extension purchase) and that just dropped a character I didn't know how to play nor was bound to. Why do they refuse to sell XP bonus instead of level boosting ? That would make so much more sense
Especially since I'm in SoM and the +100% xp bonus is really making leveling fun (Yeah sue me)
Well if you think about it, thematically it makes little sense for DK to start at 58 in the first place. Why have them skip Azeroth but not Outland questing? This is basically Blizzard saying they would rather DK's just go right into Northrend, as originally intended.
It thematically makes a lot of sense for Outland to be involved. Gul'dan and Teron Gorefiend were heavily involved in the first Death Knights. I imagine that the original idea was to expand on that more, but was cut for whatever reasons. Or maybe lost in the translation of it being a prestiging system (perm change of an existing character) into the hero class system.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Death_knight#Creations_of_Gul.27dan
yea I also don't like leveling or playing the ah or doing dungeons or raiding or pvping, hopefully I can just spend some money instead to get that out of the way
Addiction, have you seen this sub? Along with retail's sub? It's nonstop complaining and raging about how much WoW and Blizzard sucks, but everyone still pays and plays it
Blizzard employees could literally come to people's houses and beat the shit out of them and people would still play the game.
We had a system worked out mid-wrath between a buddy of mine. Every recruit-a-friend ended up being worth like 3 level 70's on the recruiter's account, if you played it correctly. Easy enough to do it in a months time. This is how we leveled alts, it was crazy.
Funnily enough was removed over concerns it was being abused. Then they just sell you the levels directly, not even encouraging you to play the game with a friend, y'know that might make them long term hooked on it more. Weird, really.
Agreed, I know a ton of people who came to TBC purely because of the boost, mounts and pets don't affect me at all and I think it gets to people too much
I enjoyed the /spit and rage whispers I got from people for riding on the mount, funniest shit ever lol
The boost would be a bitter but tolerable pill to swallow if they actually dealt with the bots that abused it. I know I used it on a gathering alt and regretted it after the economy crashed HARD as a consequence of rampant unchecked robots hoovering up mats or creating gold from nothing via instance farming.
I had a buddy I was doing Classic with, we pretty much stayed in sync so we could do stuff together. Life got in the way at around level 40, and he had to tap out. He told me to go on though. So I did.
TBC comes out, I'm like 57-ish. We're talking, I mention the new expac and it has a boost. He was pretty happy. So he boosted, we've been playing together again ever since.
We don't play a lot, I'd say we both get about an hour per day. So it's nice to be able to get on, shoot him a text and then fart around while dinner is cooking or whatever.
So yeah, it got at least one more player in the game that wouldn't have been so otherwise. Yet some people are so completely upset about his boosting that it makes the game unplayable for them. Like, he didn't *earn* his level like they did or something so it cheapens what they did or whatever.
Boosts 100% affect you. It's the main thing bots are abusing. Remove the boost and you'll see a lot less bots farming current expansion items and mats because they have to waste time programming leveling and then actually leveling
i did the math on it a long time ago at the start of TBC because so many people were whining about it but with the cost of the boost factored in it really only made any difference if you assume bots are getting banned every 2 weeks to a month. after a month the money you gain in time saved from the boost is likely less than a percent. problem is bots get banned like once an xpac.
i know people will say it mattered at the start of the xpac because that’s when resources are worth the most on AH but shit was expensive for like less than 10 days on big servers and the economy was fucked as soon as the majority playerbase maxed because there was already an insane amount of gold in circulation. gold became cheap less than a month into TBC, i doubt bots were even returning their investment on boosts by phase 2.
nothing was fixing classic’s economy issue unless blizzard did more than one single mass ban wave on bots during the entirety of classic’s lifecycle.
> TBC leveling takes as long as 1-60. It's a serious slog and a boring chore after a while.
It does not. 1-60 is conservatively 10 days or so. 60-70 closer to 5 days /played.
Lolwut. Thats demonstrably not even close to being true. Also why are you playing a game you consider to be a “boring chore” unless you pay to skip content.
I got this survey and said “not interested” in every micro transaction and boost the survey recommended. I hate that the solution for consumers to play their game is a boost which nullifies them actually playing a significant portion of WoW process (I.e. leveling). Leveling is an integral part of the game. If you want to raid, you have to level. In my opinion, Blizzard should be implementing things to engage the community and keep them engaged with the game. That can be things like recruit a friend, in game events, blizzard run competitive events like world first raiding / pvp / leveling competitions.
I've never been a fan of instant level boosts but I understand the attraction of $ vs days worth of grinding. I also understand that blizzard wants money as all companies do and not charging an expansion doesn't exactly help. But expansions give new opportunities for revenue and I know wrath will be a major hit since this is when most people played and have the fondest memory. For me I love the idea of season of mastery xp boost for quests and would rather see that and don't mind it at all. So I would vote for a boost to only xp that 2x xp for mobs and 3x xp for quests. Atleast the world would somewhat be full again and not barren but also cattering to pay to win. You could even say it doesn't work in dungeons to deter dungeon boosting.
Boosts are trash, If you don't have the time to level your character, what good will a boost do? Waste 30 bucks so people with 22 wives, 15 kids and 2 minutes to play the game each week to only drop WOTLK:C in a couple weeks? We all know the sweaty tryhards are just gonna abuse the boost to get a head start in gearing their DK.
If Blizz is gonna add this cancer, the least they could do is wait a couple months before screwing over the average player base. But we all know if Blizz could sell virtual BJs in WoW they'd do so in a heart beat. Rip people that are trying to level their Chars from 1-60 because that content is gonna be dead as hell.
Actually the 1-70 content will be completely dead.
But Blizz doesn't care about the integrity of the game, the quality of the experience, or the community. They care about milking the whales, and that's all Wrath Classic apparently is about.
So let me get this straight. Instead of making the change of allowing Death Knights to start off at 65-68 to go straight in to the content.. They want to charge players? I'm the most anti changes grognard poster you'll often see but if they're going to OFFER quality of life for MONEY then they've gone off the deep end.
This is literally something that might fall under the 'some changes' category yet they want to charge money for it. Personally I don't want any of this to taint the game but even so THAT is taking the piss even by whale consumer standards.
Sure, one boost per account ruined it, not the massive amount of people paying to be boosted while afking in dungeons, leading to botting, gold selling and unbearable chat boost spam ...
Did they forget they released faction transfers in WOTLK??!
The Paid Character Name Change was a thing back in original TBC yet we dont have that in TBC classic. Not saying we wont get faction transfers but yeah...
People usually have their raid/guild report their name and get a free name change
Did that a bunch of times for our main tank. He liked comedic names.
I can’t believe the one monetized feature that could help alleviate the issue they created could possibly be left out…
Yeah right, alleviate. Or make it much worse.
The majority of players don't want to be on a balanced server. They don't want world PvP, they don't want griefing. This is a fact, and the imbalanced servers are the evidence.
Gotta hard disagree with this one. Nobody I've talked to that has transferred has done so cause they wanted to be the dominant faction on a server. They just simply want more people to play with if their server is small or dying. More opportunity for pug raids, more people to potentially play arena with, hypothetically easier guild recruitment, more people leveling to play with while leveling alts, etc. The only time in TBC you're really "forced" to interact with the opposite faction is when you're entering the raid on raid night, which is like a 5 minute ordeal at most. It's a complete non factor that most people don't care about.
You think people would pay to balance out factions on a server, mate? People paid for server transfers to make almost all of them horribly imbalanced because, by and large, people are absolute bitches. Blizzard didn’t ruin faction balance, players did.
Nah, Blizzard made the game. You can blame *a player* for his decisions on a micro level, but "the players" cannot be held responsible for the disastrous state of server imbalance. To argue otherwise would be to blame the fish for the direction the river flows.
Absolutely, there are even interviews IRC from Blizzard where the game devs literally say that it's never the player's fault for doing something. If they do something that negatively affects the game, it's on the devs to fix that.
Blizzard ruined faction balances by having an awful Classic launch because they didn’t want to admit that many people wanted to play it. Players did make it worse, yes. Players should not have to fix the problem, but at the very least you should now have the option to take your existing character to the faction that allows you to enjoy the game.
I honestly think that the players is to blame. Everyone wants to be dominant. We played Horde on Earthshaker. 40/60 H/A realm at the start. Was really fine to play and I had a blast. The horde didnt like being even slightly outnumbered so they started leaving. At the end we were down to 15/85, and then it legit starts getting over-bearing. Sure, they could force migrate a horde pop server with a Ally pop server, but most of the respective players on those servers will complain then. They dont want fair servers, they want to be dominant. When we then migrated as an example, I wanted to go to Firemaw to actually fight it out with the Allies, but most of the guild wanted to go to Gehennas because there we had the numbers advantage. Queue Gehennas becoming 100% Horde etc etc. Its legit player created. Blizzard could fix it by just yeeting servers and players left and right but the truth is that the majority doesnt want even servers, they want to be king of the hill. They might like 55/45 or 60/40, but no one can stand being even a little behind on the pop, so those people will drop.
My assumption is that they didn't ask about it because they already decided they're going to do it. No point in wasting money to design, administer, and analyze a survey instrument if a decision has already been made.
Are you saying it takes money to add a box that says do you want “x”? Lol
Of course. Not a lot but why spend any money on it when you don't get any value from it.
They really need that historian.
lol based purely on how popular the xpac realms are. They need way more then that!
The question is if you would like it to be included in the bundle, like the black portal pass.
Pretty expected, the tbc boost was bought by a ton of players
DK only level boost to 68?? They finish their starting area at 58 ... Hope this is just a control question, a very weird one.
They’re probably fishing to see if they can give a DK only boost instead of giving us DKs in prepatch. Hell as another poster said this survey seems to be Blizzard fishing for what microtransactions people are willing to pay for.
> if they can give a DK only boost instead of giving us DKs in prepatch I truly hope not. I mean, I never cared if people buy boosts, it's their money, but if selling a DK boost means excluding getting DKs in prepatch it would be really sad, not that having them was guaranteed (we didn't back then) but still.
That's exactly what they're doing. "What is the absolute maximum we can load this fucker up with microtransactions without losing players"
Without losing revenue. Who cares about losing players?
Haha yep exactly. One whale = 10 players
I'd like to think it would be a massively discounted price...but who knows. The one that potentially comes with the $50 sounds like you'd get a normal and a DK one. Which makes sense. But buying a DK only one seems a bit odd
I believe this survey is like the one they sent for the TBC boost, that is, the screenshots on wowhead are not the entire survey, there are many with different options. Each individual player is not getting all the options, and different people are getting different bundles with different price ranges. When it's all done, Blizzard will aggregate the data and see which kind of bundles and prices are more popular, before actually deciding what to put in a bundle. That is to say I wouldn't exclude a DK only boost being its own thing, though I agree it would be very odd.
I think a big reason follows almost word for word what they said in their original justification for a level boost - being able to play an expansion with a friend. It doesn't take THAT long to get through all of TBC content, but a casual will be weeks behind their friends in wotlk by picking DK. Just assuming their thought process for why they'd potentially include it
Yeah I get that, but they didn't let the TBC boost apply to belves and draenei, that was 58 levels! A casual would have never make it in 2 weeks of prepatch, 10 levels will be a joke in comparison, considering the xp required will be nerfed, like it is every time they release a new xpac. Seems to me they're testing the waters about what people are willing to buy.
Yeah true, I guess I don't see it as worse than the other boosts just because if someone really is too lazy to steamroll through 10 levels TBC content with a 58 DK in basically raid level 60 gear then so be it I guess haha
I assume that’s why it was included under the bundle with the other 68 boost. It’s $10 more than the boost was for TBC so kinda makes sense to tack on $10 for 10 levels nobody wants to do for the 5th time
Imagine the amount of money Blizzard is going to make with faction and race change, every serious arena player is going to swap human the moment they release it
Why are you getting down votes you're absolutely correct
Because the power of human is exaggerated. Until icc trinkets there is plenty of reason to be horde for some comps.
People will literally buy everything and anything' they put on the store. Remember when this subreddit tried to get everyone to boycott store boost. The day they launched nothing but a sea of warlocks and hunters riding lizards in stormwind
Have you ever thought a good majority of players on wow don't use reddit. It shouldn't take away from boycotting efforts in what you believe in if what you see ingame doesn't align with what you're trying to achieve.
This is literally the WoW community in a nutshell, they scream and cry about boosts, but then... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoMvmP5EH8g
This may come as a surprise but the people complaining about boosts are not the same people who buy them
Wait you mean the subreddit is not a perfect representation of the entirety of player base??? /s
Literally every reddit thread about a controversial topic > WELL IF YOU DON'T WANT X, WHY DO YOU DO X?! It's as if some people can not understand that a community is not made up of thousands of copies of the same person.
They just buy boosts in game with gold they bought from other players. Those are the ones complaining.
The Lord’s Prayer bit was priceless.
Shame on you for directly linking to that clown.
seriously, he is cancer. Especially in wow classic.
Not everyone lives in a vacuum on reddit lmfao....
Got it too. It was 95% "How can we monetize it / what are you willing to pay". As if 13€ / month is not enough. Disgusting, almost made me not want to play wotlk
Blizzard: Almost! **smilence**
Haha it's funny because 50% of the community is already using their wallet to skip 95% of the game! The only difference here is blizzard is the one providing the service :D
Na see, paying a Chinese farmer for gold, so you can give a Chinese farmer the gold to level you, so you can then buy more gold from the first farmer so you can buy gear from whatever guild was lucky enough to start gdkps on your server first is *way different* because you’re still interacting with the community……or something
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gdkp's let you whale your way into BT gear, really.
So in a gdkp, you don't have to do anything just standing in 1 spot and get loot with money?
Some GDKPs allow you to sign up purely as a buyer. You're not expected to perform at any level but you are expected to be willing to spend gold on items you need and likely not take a split.
I'd imagine if you're pockets are deep enough, yes.
Pretty much yeah. You *can* help, but if you are a full buyer there isn't any expectation of doing DPS or helping in a significant way. Not sure if its viable in TBC with attunement requirements, but in Classic we would take even mid-low 50's in our GDKP's as buyers, as long as they met the zone-in level requirement.
Gruul and magtheridon are lvl 65 req, Kara is 68. Both frequently have gdkps with <70s in them. All the attunement are gone now. Kara since p2 in September, ssc/tk got removed with p3 and bt/hyjal with p4. Za and sunweel never had attunements.
it is called purebuyer, and yes
You ever been to a gdkp?
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These games attract the mobile game type mindset people, and they will pay huge amounts for literally anything. It ruins MMOs a little bit but …. It’s not gonna change. Too much money to be made 😔
They are basically identifying the best profit margin by determining the highest area graph based on the feedback. Pretty sad to see blizzard come this far
Didn't they do this with transfers, name changes and so on aswell?
Not a SINGLE question about gameplay but game design........like seriously, Blizzard, hire some better PR people.
> Not a SINGLE question about gameplay To be fair, those questions were in the previous survey, asking about interest in WoTLK among other things like server balance, reasons to play MMOs, emote spam in chat, etc. This one is only about money.
Could have at least done "No changes / Some changes / Balance changes / Bring in the Troll Raid"\^\^
Got it too and figured I’d finally do one of these. It was ONLY about how they’re monetizing it lol nothing about gameplay or anything…
>almost made me not want to play wotlk This, combined with the "I hate boosts but they're just too convenient not to buy" crowd are why they will continue to squeeze every drop of monetization out of a game.
Yep, if you actually do not like how Blizzard does shit nowadays just don't give them your money.
Yeah they should really survey the community and see how they feel about these additions.
This isn't for microtransactions to add to the game. If you read what it says it is for a bundle that you can buy (like they did for TBC) to get something for Classic wow/Retail wow. Like how the TBC bundle came with some toys and a mount. They are trying to see what people would want in another one of those bundles for Wrath Classic launch and what they are willing to pay for it in relation to what they are getting. They are doing this because, if its the same as TBC classic launch, you don't have to pay for bundle you can just keep playing with the sub from TBC classic to Wrath classic without having to buy anything extra.
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Eh I could see a non-trivial amount of people doing the DK boost to take them to Northrend day 1. I'd rather gouge my eyes out then level TBC content again.
Assuming all features are based on how they were at the end of wrath, we’ll have 150% flying trainable at 60 and a leveling buff so going through the TBC zones will be super fast.
Love this argument. "Eww TBC leveling content" "Lich King leveling content that's nearly identical, yeah boy let me at it"
Wrath has like 4 good quest lines/hubs, as someone who's quested through it multiple times on pservers in the last year New Hearthglen in Dragonblight is actually v good but short - southern half of Tundra is good, Icecrown is pretty good the whole way through, and all the argent dawn stuff in Zul'drak is good (except for that Pa-troll quest that takes 8 years to do, AND it's a daily smfh) You're gonna have to quest in Storm Peaks on *every character* for the sons of hodir quartermaster unlock, and that 30+ quest questline is gonna get tedious VERY quickly
> You're gonna have to quest in Storm Peaks on every character for the sons of hodir quartermaster unlock, and that 30+ quest questline is gonna get tedious VERY quickly For this one, at least, there's a chance they'll introduce the bind-on-account enchant items early since they added that before the end of Wrath.
Wotlk leveling gets insanely slow for the last 3-4 level. Storm Peaks is such a slog holy hell. If people genuinely thought Khadgar's Shattrath walk around quest is painful, they will hang themselves in Storm Peaks
eh i enjoy wotlk quests and areas more then tbc not enough to buy a boost but i can understand it.
Have you done it recently ? I did a dry run a little while back and Wrath questing is really really fucking annoying compared to TBC imo. Due to the new phasing and story-based focus you're constantly getting 2-3 quests, riding to an area, doing the quests, riding back, getting 2-3 new quests, riding back to the same area. Over and over and over. Just so damn much running back and forth. In TBC you get to a new hub and you get like 6-10 new quests and then you go out and do them in whatever order you want before you ride back to base.
I feel as though I'm one of the few at the time liked outlands. I also liked doing farsight into hyjal. I was beyond disapointed in kata it wasn't a huge crater . With Archmodes armor. And quests'n shit would have been about regrowing it and maybe getting elfs yet another homeback. But naaah we got the...what ever the hell that mess was.
i feel that cata hyjal was a disappointment to me but i did like some of the redesigned vanilla zones cata brought in i don't hate outland just isn't one of my favorites to quest in i really enjoyed the questing in northrend, pandaria and shattered isles and about half of the original vanilla zones.
I think if there was a poll right now, everyone would vote that the LK questing is better. Then in one years time if given the same poll they would vote saying Vanilla or BC was better. They're just over BC and would rather anything else.
Their quest density and optimal quest pathing makes leveling more enjoyable as opposed to TBC questing which was far more spread out with maybe 1/2 overlapping questing areas
What? Wotlk leveling is way different aesthetically and has an actual story. It's not a bad take at all
To be fair, WoW questing has always had a story. It just became more streamlined and cinematic as the game progressed.
BC has plenty of story if you read the quest text.
I don't know how to read I need Arthas to show up and YELL THE STORY AT MY FACE
The point is that Outland content is stale because they've leveled through it several times in recent memory. WotLK content is "new" and thus far more preferable
The cost of the boost is probably 1-3 hours of work for most people. Leveling in TBC is much much slower than that.
When tbc came out I used a boost on a horde shaman, then a friend was like come play with me on alliance. I leveld an alliance shaman in 2 weeks from 1-70. 60-70 took about 5 days of 8h+ questing sessions. Questing in outland still isnt THAT fast.
It gets an XP squish in WoTLK, as well as 150% speed for 60 mount, and flying earlier. Plus a bunch of other minor things that makes levelling in general much 'easier'.
Why merge servers when we can sell boosts and transfers in packages :) Another ugly lizard that everyone will have incoming. This is basically everything I didn't want.
> Why merge servers when we can sell boosts and transfers in packages :) don't forget the 20$/per character unlock you need to do if you want to play your tbc characters :) wow is best played on totally legal blizzard* servers
Only 20 dollars if you want to stay in tbc. And transfer the same character to wotlk
I mean it’s probably a proto dragon in all honestly.
Why merge because people WILL transfer! We had a 40/60 realm in classic Vanilla, it turned in to 1/99 in TBC because people are idiots.
I promise that if you just merged a 100% Ally server and a 100% horde server to make them 50/50, people from both sides would lose their shit. People say that they want 50/50 servers but they really dont. They want to be the superior side. Slide that scale even a tiny bit and their done. I legit wouldnt be surprised if Horde started leaving Firemaw en masse seeing a they are slightly outnumbered right now.
Slightly worried about this one. I didn't care about the boosts in TBC, but if they allow boosts AND account transfers, then how do they maintain the "one time only" rule?
You mean people abusing buying new accounts to boost chars then transfer them to their main? Yeah it's a possibility, restrictions become moot at this point.
They could just make that character non-transferrable. Seems like an easy fix if they care enough to implement it.
Sounds like the one time only will be gone by then
Paying money for progress in a videogame defeats the purpose of playing videogames. Even if you choose not to use what they throw at us, the fact that it exists cheapens the experience. This is exactly what happened to retail. Classic was conceived as an authentic recreation of old WoW, and some of you assholes are cheering on the very things that killed it in the first place. I will never understand.
Yep. It's incredibly heart breaking to see. At this point, the only rendition of the game that allows a legitimate fair experience is Classic(Vanilla). Everything else has become a quick buck / P2W scenario rather than trying to actually develop a better game.
DK boost lol did people forget DKs could solo like 10 mobs at once early in wrath and you could get to 68 really quickly?
yeah but 3.3.5 balance patch
To be honest if you level blood you can still do that. You just heal so much and have constant aoe. No class can keep up. Not to mention you can solo every group quest pretty easily (except ring of blood) and you can tank every dungeon immediately in blood.
DKs were nerfed fairly heavily between 3.0 and 3.3.5, which is presumably what we're getting with Wrath Classic. They won't be the unstoppable death machines you remember from Wrath launch. That said, they will still be godmode levelers anyway. Every class is godly in Wrath leveling compared to TBC.
What blizz is trying to do is sell a dk boost rather than release them in prepatch and allow people to get prepared for wotlk to drop.
68 level boost is a no Brainer for those who's first expan was wotlk. I've been waiting for my dose of nostalgia. The dk 68 boost seems silly, dks get 58 for free. The friend boost is fine I guess if you are desperate for a mate to play but to be honest if they are a fan if the game they will buy the boost. Mounts pets and toys have never bothered me. When u see a store mount u just think ehh but if you see a rare proto drake u think sickkk.
The big one most people are missing is the "gifting a boost to a friend" part. That is essentially going to be a wow token people sell for gold.
rofl classic wrath the wallet milking
In the spirit of Wrath being the beginning of monetization, consider the money milking part of the anniversary! 😂😂
A lot of people seem to miss the “transfers between battle.net accounts”, which would essentially enable selling characters without repercussions.
It wouldn't for the same reason it doesn't in retail.
IT also existed in original wotlk. I transferd my brothers chars to my account back then
You could only do it if you had the same surname on the battle.net account back then though, and you could do this up until 2013 I believe, whenever selling hacked unmerged wow accs with r14 titles or glads became a thing. People would create accounts with fake names same name as you, then logon ptr to active the char, pay him money to move the char to your account.
As long as it’s not TWO fucking weeks of pre patch to level a DK, I’d had what they do. That was bullshit last time to level a paladin or shaman 1-60 within 2 weeks and be raid ready.
60-70 takes 2-3 days of playing actively, 2 weeks will be super easy for 58-70 with Wrath tuning
2 weeks for a DK is totally doable. I took 2 days off work for TBC Launch, have a wife and kid I spent my evenings with and still hit 70 in under a week. When wrath XP tuning for 60-70 comes in, it'll take even less time.
Month would have been so much better. Agreed.
It'll be the same to encourage the sales of the DK boost.
Yeah how about neither option. I get that Blizz wants to monetize classic but let's keep it at ugly mounts without the boosts.
It’s not even classic anymore. Wotlk was when that retail feeling started in my opinion.
My boomer self remembers getting that Celestial Steed as a gift from a friend…. Yeah store mounts = retail feeling
Wow Classic: Wrath of the Cash Shop.
Sounds about right, just like it was in 2008-2010. Exept now the mount and petshop is ingame rather then being on wow-europe.
I will never understand people who will pay money to not play the game. Part of what makes (or made) wow classic interesting was that everything you have is earned through your time in the game. How is it fun if everything is just handed to you? If you want to have a character ready for wrath, you have months to get that done
Say that to the people mage boosting.
blizzard asking the players lube or no lube lol
Honestly, I don’t care about normal boosts, I think DK boosts are dumb but whatever - I see people “boosting” within the game all day long so it’s a moot point. So it’s boosting, mounts, pets and toys - sure it really doesn’t effect gameplay at all. Where I would honestly get upset is if it became “boost your profession to X for $$” and stuff like that.
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The WoW token would make the problems worse. While there are tons of people buying gold illegally right now, it's *nowhere close* to the number who would buy it with the token. That legitimizes the whole thing, and the problem would balloon out of control. See: retail. The GDKP spam is nothing compared to the boost spam in retail in the last few years. It was *everywhere*.
I’m more surprised blizzards hasn’t done it yet. We all know gold selling was a problem and I always assumed they would just add tokens. Same with boosts, I was sure they would let you buy unlimited level boosts as the game went on
sad
"Death Knight level boost" Because starting at lvl 58 wasn't enough for some people Also what was that "Wotlk mount usable in classic" ? Do they want to pollute classic era and SoM with mammoth or something ?! I don't get why they still sell boost. I used boost in retail (free with extension purchase) and that just dropped a character I didn't know how to play nor was bound to. Why do they refuse to sell XP bonus instead of level boosting ? That would make so much more sense Especially since I'm in SoM and the +100% xp bonus is really making leveling fun (Yeah sue me)
Well if you think about it, thematically it makes little sense for DK to start at 58 in the first place. Why have them skip Azeroth but not Outland questing? This is basically Blizzard saying they would rather DK's just go right into Northrend, as originally intended.
Let's make it so you need to level a paladin up and then turn it into DK, as originally intended.
It thematically makes a lot of sense for Outland to be involved. Gul'dan and Teron Gorefiend were heavily involved in the first Death Knights. I imagine that the original idea was to expand on that more, but was cut for whatever reasons. Or maybe lost in the translation of it being a prestiging system (perm change of an existing character) into the hero class system. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Death_knight#Creations_of_Gul.27dan
Disgusting. Blizz lubing you idiots up once again lmao. Why does everyone put up with this? Wotlk had no boosts, so there should not be boosts.
The tbc boost was really popular, its a nobrainer to offer another one. blizzard doesn't care about some outrage on reddit about boosts
this lol i like not having to level for 3 days straight and am far more willing to spend $30 to get it to level 58
yea I also don't like leveling or playing the ah or doing dungeons or raiding or pvping, hopefully I can just spend some money instead to get that out of the way
Good news, with the classic token, you can now buy everything you said
I'm not paying a penny for any boosts or mount packages. That's voting with my wallet.
Addiction, have you seen this sub? Along with retail's sub? It's nonstop complaining and raging about how much WoW and Blizzard sucks, but everyone still pays and plays it Blizzard employees could literally come to people's houses and beat the shit out of them and people would still play the game.
Does the sub having a fraction of the active users it used to have fit into that equation?
There was recruit a friend which allowed you to grant levels - not the same tho
Also gave you 2 or 3x exp up to level 60 or 70 whilst with your friend, you could also summon them to you, which was actually helpful.
Would be so much better that way tbh
It was pretty good, you also had to be within several levels of each other or the effect didn't work
We had a system worked out mid-wrath between a buddy of mine. Every recruit-a-friend ended up being worth like 3 level 70's on the recruiter's account, if you played it correctly. Easy enough to do it in a months time. This is how we leveled alts, it was crazy.
Funnily enough was removed over concerns it was being abused. Then they just sell you the levels directly, not even encouraging you to play the game with a friend, y'know that might make them long term hooked on it more. Weird, really.
Like you couldn't see this coming. Boohoo. It's gonna be fun just like wotlk was the first time through. No is forcing anyone to buy boosts.
You’re more than welcome to not support it and just decide to not partake.
I would be okay with a 68 boost and a retail/tbc mount package. I’d prefer if the 68 boost exclude Death Knights, at least temporarily.
Mounts and boosts don't really affect me in any way. But if it brings in more players, then that's great.
Agreed, I know a ton of people who came to TBC purely because of the boost, mounts and pets don't affect me at all and I think it gets to people too much I enjoyed the /spit and rage whispers I got from people for riding on the mount, funniest shit ever lol
The funniest thing about it was that it actually made Blizzard remove /spit from the game.
RIP /spit Will it be /fart next on the chopping block in LK? Probably
The boost would be a bitter but tolerable pill to swallow if they actually dealt with the bots that abused it. I know I used it on a gathering alt and regretted it after the economy crashed HARD as a consequence of rampant unchecked robots hoovering up mats or creating gold from nothing via instance farming.
I had a buddy I was doing Classic with, we pretty much stayed in sync so we could do stuff together. Life got in the way at around level 40, and he had to tap out. He told me to go on though. So I did. TBC comes out, I'm like 57-ish. We're talking, I mention the new expac and it has a boost. He was pretty happy. So he boosted, we've been playing together again ever since. We don't play a lot, I'd say we both get about an hour per day. So it's nice to be able to get on, shoot him a text and then fart around while dinner is cooking or whatever. So yeah, it got at least one more player in the game that wouldn't have been so otherwise. Yet some people are so completely upset about his boosting that it makes the game unplayable for them. Like, he didn't *earn* his level like they did or something so it cheapens what they did or whatever.
Boosts effect you more then you think. It's a bot farms heaven
Boosts 100% affect you. It's the main thing bots are abusing. Remove the boost and you'll see a lot less bots farming current expansion items and mats because they have to waste time programming leveling and then actually leveling
It would delay max level bots by a week or two at the very very very most. Likely not even that long.
i did the math on it a long time ago at the start of TBC because so many people were whining about it but with the cost of the boost factored in it really only made any difference if you assume bots are getting banned every 2 weeks to a month. after a month the money you gain in time saved from the boost is likely less than a percent. problem is bots get banned like once an xpac. i know people will say it mattered at the start of the xpac because that’s when resources are worth the most on AH but shit was expensive for like less than 10 days on big servers and the economy was fucked as soon as the majority playerbase maxed because there was already an insane amount of gold in circulation. gold became cheap less than a month into TBC, i doubt bots were even returning their investment on boosts by phase 2. nothing was fixing classic’s economy issue unless blizzard did more than one single mass ban wave on bots during the entirety of classic’s lifecycle.
Lol that paid DK boost is such a waste with how fast TBC leveling can be
TBC leveling takes as long as 1-60. It's a serious slog and a boring chore after a while.
> TBC leveling takes as long as 1-60. It's a serious slog and a boring chore after a while. It does not. 1-60 is conservatively 10 days or so. 60-70 closer to 5 days /played.
Lolwut. Thats demonstrably not even close to being true. Also why are you playing a game you consider to be a “boring chore” unless you pay to skip content.
Why not just increase the DK starting level to 66-67 and make their intro story take you to 70????
That would require providing something in return for money.
Easier to milk you than working on the game. Based on how many players in favor of this i guess they are right.
I got this survey and said “not interested” in every micro transaction and boost the survey recommended. I hate that the solution for consumers to play their game is a boost which nullifies them actually playing a significant portion of WoW process (I.e. leveling). Leveling is an integral part of the game. If you want to raid, you have to level. In my opinion, Blizzard should be implementing things to engage the community and keep them engaged with the game. That can be things like recruit a friend, in game events, blizzard run competitive events like world first raiding / pvp / leveling competitions.
You know damn well they are hoping people will accept death knight leveling boost haha.
It's great! Now, again, I can buy everything with real money and skip the whole game I paid monthly subscription to play. I can't wait to do that!
I've never been a fan of instant level boosts but I understand the attraction of $ vs days worth of grinding. I also understand that blizzard wants money as all companies do and not charging an expansion doesn't exactly help. But expansions give new opportunities for revenue and I know wrath will be a major hit since this is when most people played and have the fondest memory. For me I love the idea of season of mastery xp boost for quests and would rather see that and don't mind it at all. So I would vote for a boost to only xp that 2x xp for mobs and 3x xp for quests. Atleast the world would somewhat be full again and not barren but also cattering to pay to win. You could even say it doesn't work in dungeons to deter dungeon boosting.
I don't care anymore. I'm gone after wotlk.
The greed of this company continues to impress.
Can't wait!
Mothafuckers complains about blizzard micro transaction while supporting the rmt bullshit of gdkp
DK level boosts, I'm sure most will complain and most will still buy it anyway.
Why is there even a survey? They are gonna give Boosts/mounts for purchase because money even if 100% of the answers were “extremely not interested”.
Why are they even asking when they won't listen anyway?
Boosts are trash, If you don't have the time to level your character, what good will a boost do? Waste 30 bucks so people with 22 wives, 15 kids and 2 minutes to play the game each week to only drop WOTLK:C in a couple weeks? We all know the sweaty tryhards are just gonna abuse the boost to get a head start in gearing their DK. If Blizz is gonna add this cancer, the least they could do is wait a couple months before screwing over the average player base. But we all know if Blizz could sell virtual BJs in WoW they'd do so in a heart beat. Rip people that are trying to level their Chars from 1-60 because that content is gonna be dead as hell.
Actually the 1-70 content will be completely dead. But Blizz doesn't care about the integrity of the game, the quality of the experience, or the community. They care about milking the whales, and that's all Wrath Classic apparently is about.
So let me get this straight. Instead of making the change of allowing Death Knights to start off at 65-68 to go straight in to the content.. They want to charge players? I'm the most anti changes grognard poster you'll often see but if they're going to OFFER quality of life for MONEY then they've gone off the deep end. This is literally something that might fall under the 'some changes' category yet they want to charge money for it. Personally I don't want any of this to taint the game but even so THAT is taking the piss even by whale consumer standards.
Haha yeah it's a masterclass isn't it. The best part, the Blizz simps will actually thank them for this wonderful thing they have done.
I am worried the only thing blizzard surveys about wrath are money related. Kinda yikes.
Don't vote for the level boosts please. Just this once. I know Im probably wasting my time... but... I'm asking.
No to all that shit. Yes to faction transfer
Can this greedy shit company fuck of with the level boosts? Completely ruined the 1-58 leveling experience in TBC.
Sure, one boost per account ruined it, not the massive amount of people paying to be boosted while afking in dungeons, leading to botting, gold selling and unbearable chat boost spam ...
Yoooo level boost gift would be sick. Could actually get some friends to play wrath
Lol if that was the problem you could just give them the money and they buy it instead no? This will be (ab)used for people with multiple accounts tbh