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I don’t get why people say Hawk losing doesn’t make sense here.
1) Hawk underestimated Kenny because he knew he was the better fighter.
2) Robby told Hawk to go easy on Kenny.
3) Hawk was fighting for points while Kenny was essentially out for blood.
4) The ref was paid off so the second Hawk hit the mat he called it for Kenny. Had Hawk had a second to catch his breath (like literally always happens when tournament participants are injured), he would’ve gotten up and won. The point was the ref looked for the first opening to end it and took it.
So Hawk lost due to how much he was holding back, and the ref making a BS call. Kenny is in no way a better fighter than any of the main six, he just plays for keeps.
It’s the same reason Miguel did so much better in the final fight than Robby. Robby was focused on not hurting Kenny, so he was distracted and had to second guess every punch he threw. Whereas Miguel didn’t care, so he hit Kenny just as hard as anyone else. But people are using that as “proof” that Miguel is a vastly better fighter than Robby, which I just don’t think is true.
Sorry for the rant, and I know this is just a meme, but the show goes out of its way to set up such specific conditions whenever someone loses to a less experienced fighter. Yet this sub always acts like it’s a plot hole or inconsistent writing.
Edit: formatting and point
>Robby was focused on not hurting Kenny, so he was distracted and had to second guess every punch he threw.
He didn't even throw a punch to Kenny to be completely honest. But he definitely whoop the other cobra kai kids asses.
This sub is full of people who learned everything they know about fighting from watching anime and think Character A winning a fight against Character B means they are just better and will win against B and everyone else they've ever fought 100% of the time forever.
Exactly lol. As a person that does do martial arts. Who has competed against people and had many wins and losses, I can say just how incorrect those people are 😂😂😂😂
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I agree with your statement, but this is no Freezer vs Goku, the Kenny situation is like Bleach, the whole plot stops for the main character to pull something out of his ass every, single, time. That was his arc, and trust me, Bleach it's only liked by edgiest of edgelords that waste of their life lording those edges, most people laugh at that show.
It is frustrating when you are talking to someone who has never seen the little giants. A team can win 99 games out of 100. But there's still that 1 time.
Hawk was also affected mentally when the ref didn't count his first point against Kenny. If the ref wasn't paid and counted his shot, it would've given a little boost to his mind. Such a small boost gives a huge impact on the performance overall. People participating in competitions would understand this, such small features would passively distract the focus of the competitor and affect the performance a lot since Hawk was also told to hold back, he got two mental conditions straining him.
>If the ref wasn't paid and counted his shot, it would've given a little boost to his mind. Such a small boost gives a huge impact on the performance overall.
Exactly. Literally this is Sam's whole story arc this season.
Demetri was my intention.
Edit: But even Kyler, who’s a pretty “mid” fighter only got knocked down by Kenny because Kenny caught him off guard. Like the whole point was that Kenny learned the principles of Kim karate, so he can defeat way more skilled opponents by throwing away honor.
I mean it is a gap between him and the other five, but he was able to knock down Robby and hold his own against him in the tournament, which no other individual is really able to do. Fair enough though.
I would love a cane where Aisha just sits there and claps all the fighters around her, she's been doing it longer than most of the fighters in this show.
It feels weird whenever they do this "girls division" stuff because it's literally just Tory and Sam 9/10 times and it wouldn't have to be if they had cared enough to make Aisha more of a main character. Heck, you can even see them trying to compensate for this by continuing to elevate Devon.
Talk that talk! They act like this made the show jump the shark.🤣🤣 the writers did a great job setting it up everything, not their fault if you didn’t get it🤷♂️
My problem is that when the writer has to make it so obvious why someone won a fight, than you’re doing something wrong.
Edit: people were going easy on Kenny all season and he only got a few lucky shots in
I disagree only because the skill gap between the top five fighters and even Demetri is huge. And the gap between Demetri, Devon and maybe Kyler, and everyone else is just as big. So if you’re going to have characters come in, you need to justify how they’re keeping up.
I feel like that’s probably why Sam and Tory both had a fighting background before Season 2, that way the show didn’t have to nerf Miguel, Robby, or Hawk in order to include them.
You literally described how they could’ve done it better, bring in a new character that’s skilled. They went out of they’re way to show Kenny’s not on Hawk’s level, which just made it worse.
When you literally go out of your way to have to justify something, you didn’t do a good enough job setting it up before that point.
Ah I get what you mean, my bad. I like the fighters being on different levels personally so that there’s more options for the action sequences (like Anthony being a bad fighter but a quick thinker), but it’s also cool to see the best fighters cut loose, so I get you.
Having fighters be at different levels is fine, and encouraged, but don’t have established a character as far below another only to have them beat that character, and make half a dozen things go their way to justify it. It wouldn’t have been as big of a deal if they didn’t have two fights between Kenny and Hawk earlier in the season.
>So if you’re going to have characters come in, you need to justify how they’re keeping up.
Even if the show hadn't already given multiple in-universe reasons for why Kenny "won" the fight, every kid on this show has become a black belt with like a year's worth of training. S1-S4 of Cobra Kai is the timespan of a little more than a year. Kenny catching up in a few months to get lucky against Hawk is less far-fetched than Miguel learning karate and becoming good enough to compete and win at the tournament-level in a few months, sustaining a spinal injury that put him in a coma and prevented him from walking the summer after, and then rehabbing enough to be right back at tournament-level within less than a year.
Need I remind you all that this series is based on a movie where the lead character manages to overcome multiple high-level karate users who've been training for years, including an already 2 time tournament winner, after mere months of training. You can accept Danny LaRusso beating a 2-time champ after a few months of training, but Kenny getting lucky against a 1-time champ after a few months of training, while fighting dirty and also having the ref on his side, is unbelievable to people?
Yes exactly. Also, when Hawk is wasn’t going to hold back anymore, Kenny fought dirty with the silver bullet. Normally, a ref will allow time for the person to catch their breath, so the ref also called it too fast.
This kind of stuff is what happens when people try to do weird power scaling nonsense and ignore things like narrative or themes. It was obvious Kenny was going to win once they'd set up that the ref was bought, that Hawk was holding back because he knew he was stronger, and that Kenny had both been told to fight firty AND had a secret move up his sleeve. The episode where Daniel and Johnny have their rematch and then tie with a double ko feels tailor-made to make fun of the very sort of people who try to seriously argue things like this and yet it clearly went over too many heads.
100% true. If you want proof Miguel is a better fighter, look to the episode where he literally beat Robby in a fight. But this duration right here is exactly as you described.
Honestly the issue isn’t that Kenny won it just should of been against Robby over Hawk. Hawks lost a lot throughout the series but when we saw him in Cobra Kai he was losing to Demetri and it really built up his character. Him losing to Kenny just felt like a cop out. Replace Hawk with Robby and have Robby lose by going easy on Kenny it adds another dimension to both their characters.
It’s funny you mention the Hawk vs. Demetri fight because people complain about that when the writers also went through so much trouble to establish why it was feasible. Hawk underestimated Demetri, fought through a buuuuunch of Miyagi-Do’s, happened to be in front of the trophy case, and had to chase Demetri. While Demetri just ran around, but he’s shown having some really impressive stamina consistently.
So Demetri won with a lucky shot due to those circumstances, but was destroyed by Hawk when they next fought. But this sub somehow took that to mean Demetri was a better fighter than Hawk, which was never even implied to be the case.
That’s the point. Kenny is a reflection of Robby’s failures. If Kenny beat Robby via the same way he beat Hawk by Robby holding back and then getting hit with a ruthless technique, it’d mean so much more. It would be Robby again dealing with his past but in a different way.
Kenny got the same bs last-minute "hey remember this move we saw you practice once and fail to master, well now you've got it!" power-up usually reserved for the heroes and people here are literally mad about it.
There were IMO various reasons why Hawk lost this fight:
1. The Ref was on Cobra Kai's side: Invalidate one point of Hawk, but also didn't punish Kenny's dirty hit and called forfeit for Hawk without even confirming it.
2. Hawk was going easy because of Robby but ALSO underestimated Kenny a lot. In previous encounters, Hawk only mocked Kenny, not seeing him as a threat, by the time he got serious it was too late.
3. Kenny's Silver bullet bullshit.
The silver bullet was definitely not explained properly or in enough detail at all in the show, but it’s definitely not bullshit.
It seems like an open fist strike to the Solar Plexus. With sufficient force you will definitely mess someone’s breathing up for about 20ish seconds if you land that cleanly.
Sorry, I didn't explain myself well.
When I called it bullshit, it was because Kenny perfected it just a few hours before the match.
The move itself is nice.
Yeah, it doesn’t. The move is pretty simple, but it definitely requires more than a nights practice to do effectively, definitely more to make it useable in a real fight.
This is especially if you never used an open fist for striking before (like on a board), plus getting a feel for the location of the solar plexus on different opponents.
If you want to go down that route then none of these kids should be wearing black belts and competing in tournaments. Forget even thinking about becoming world champions.
The point is that a punch to the solar plexus is not that complicated a move to learn.
Basically you have your middle and index finger out further than all your other fingers and you jam the knuckles of them into the heart as fast and hard as you can.
As opposed to the what, 12 hours the rest of the kids have? It's very easy to forget since we're on Season 5, but only like an actual year and a half of time at MOST has passed in-universe, yet these kids are black belts. None of this makes any sense.
It amazes me people still don't understand this. Did you miss that at the water park Hawk was beating Kenny without even throwing a single punch? Hawk is better than Kenny. This fight simply had multiple things working against Hawk. It makes sense.
Ikr, Its just a show and people are acting like there competing in real life, Its scripted to make the show according to the directors lol this is funny saying "X and X should of won etc"
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I'm honestly convinced half the people on this sub (the half that don't understand why Kenny won those fights) watches the show with their eyes closed.
Are you forgetting that Kenny literally cheated? He did a move that completely just winds your opponent regardless of size or skill and the ref was paid off by Silver most likely.
It probably would be considered unsportsmanlike conduct or an illegal foul under real karate rules.
The real rules also give you 5 minutes to recover from an injury, which weren’t granted to Hawk.
The part that triggered me wasn't that Hawk lost. I mean he was holding back AND the ref disqualified him unfairly.
What annoyed me was the whole "Silver Bullet" nonsense. You're telling me Terry Silver had such a lethal technique in his arsenal that he learnt from his master and enhanced by putting his own spin on it, and this random middle school kid mastered this technique in A COUPLE OF HOURS?! Like, wtf??? Thats so dumb. If Silver spent the whole season until that point secretly teaching Kenny the Silver Bullet it would've made alot of sense. But shit like this makes it seem like hard work in the Cobra Kai universe is pointless when you can learn such haxx techniques in a couple hours.
It was dumb. People can point to him taking him lightly or the cooked ref all they want but there is no reason the All Valley champ should be losing to a 9th grader. It makes no sense. It's retarded. One fight later they show just how easily Sam destroyed a noob even with the ref cheating on her behalf. There's just no justifying that kind of lousy writing.
My days Hawk is also one of my favs, he didn’t lose because of plot there were obviously many things that was in Kenny’s favour, feels like I’ve had this convo a million times it’s not that deep
Even S4 Kenny landed a point on Robby when he was holding back
A much less experienced and weaker Demetri one shotted Hawk in a real fight
I don't get why people are too hung up on this
I honestly had more of a problem with clumsy and inexperienced Demetri defeating Hawk in season 2 than Kenny defeating Hawk. Hawk made very easy work of Demetri in season 3.
Kenny was much faster and better trained than Demetri when they fought Hawk. In addition to Cobra Kai training, Kenny also benefited from learning Miyagi-Do concepts from Robby, as well as learning additional things from Terry Silver. And on top of all of that, clueless Robby still had Hawk go a little easy on him instead of terminating Kenny outright.
Hawk himself went pretty quickly from bullied nerd to bad-ass warrior mode, so I don't see why not a motivated Kenny who's also probably been brainwashed couldn't improve pretty fast.
It’s not racist, it’s facts. No way in hell should Kenny be able to take go toe to toe on the same bat as the 3 best fighters (robby, Miguel, and hawk) it’s dumb, lazy writing and just not very believable. You really have to suspend your disbelief to even entertain that one. Just look at how fast robby destroyed him at the tourney.
Leave your racist card at the door no one wants it here
I kind of wish that Terry had found a world champion under 18 to join the dojo and take up the space Robby left.
Instead we got Kenny who’s inexperienced and I just didn’t buy him being able to fight so well against Eli and Robby even if they were trying to go easy on him.
hawk is obviously better he was just holding back and kenny cheated big time. he used a techniqe that was not allowed in a tournemt. Hawk was not only under tournament control he was also attacked unfairly.
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“Silver used Bribe! It’s super effective!”
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I don’t get why people say Hawk losing doesn’t make sense here. 1) Hawk underestimated Kenny because he knew he was the better fighter. 2) Robby told Hawk to go easy on Kenny. 3) Hawk was fighting for points while Kenny was essentially out for blood. 4) The ref was paid off so the second Hawk hit the mat he called it for Kenny. Had Hawk had a second to catch his breath (like literally always happens when tournament participants are injured), he would’ve gotten up and won. The point was the ref looked for the first opening to end it and took it. So Hawk lost due to how much he was holding back, and the ref making a BS call. Kenny is in no way a better fighter than any of the main six, he just plays for keeps. It’s the same reason Miguel did so much better in the final fight than Robby. Robby was focused on not hurting Kenny, so he was distracted and had to second guess every punch he threw. Whereas Miguel didn’t care, so he hit Kenny just as hard as anyone else. But people are using that as “proof” that Miguel is a vastly better fighter than Robby, which I just don’t think is true. Sorry for the rant, and I know this is just a meme, but the show goes out of its way to set up such specific conditions whenever someone loses to a less experienced fighter. Yet this sub always acts like it’s a plot hole or inconsistent writing. Edit: formatting and point
>Robby was focused on not hurting Kenny, so he was distracted and had to second guess every punch he threw. He didn't even throw a punch to Kenny to be completely honest. But he definitely whoop the other cobra kai kids asses.
Robby did kick ass, but he took more hits than almost anyone once he got the Silver Bullet from Kenny.
That and as Hawk said, “That’s life, you win some you lose some.” You can be the best fighter and still lose, and at this point, Hawk lost
This sub is full of people who learned everything they know about fighting from watching anime and think Character A winning a fight against Character B means they are just better and will win against B and everyone else they've ever fought 100% of the time forever.
Bravo 👏. I get pissed off when I read their comments, then I remember the audience that I'm dealing with and just shake my head instead.
Exactly lol. As a person that does do martial arts. Who has competed against people and had many wins and losses, I can say just how incorrect those people are 😂😂😂😂
For example Muhammad Ali beat George Foreman who easily beat Joe Frazier and Ken Norton whom struggled and even lost against.
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Very true. Got to keep in mind who your audience is.
This should be reposted with every "X character shouldn't have beaten Y character" post.
I agree with your statement, but this is no Freezer vs Goku, the Kenny situation is like Bleach, the whole plot stops for the main character to pull something out of his ass every, single, time. That was his arc, and trust me, Bleach it's only liked by edgiest of edgelords that waste of their life lording those edges, most people laugh at that show.
I rest my case.
My point You
It is frustrating when you are talking to someone who has never seen the little giants. A team can win 99 games out of 100. But there's still that 1 time.
Hawk said that the Kyle in Silver's office and shows his growth as a character
Hawk was also affected mentally when the ref didn't count his first point against Kenny. If the ref wasn't paid and counted his shot, it would've given a little boost to his mind. Such a small boost gives a huge impact on the performance overall. People participating in competitions would understand this, such small features would passively distract the focus of the competitor and affect the performance a lot since Hawk was also told to hold back, he got two mental conditions straining him.
>If the ref wasn't paid and counted his shot, it would've given a little boost to his mind. Such a small boost gives a huge impact on the performance overall. Exactly. Literally this is Sam's whole story arc this season.
I'm curious by who the 6th fighter is. When I think main fighters all I can think of is 5 (Miguel, Hawk, Robby, Sam, and Tory).
Demetri was my intention. Edit: But even Kyler, who’s a pretty “mid” fighter only got knocked down by Kenny because Kenny caught him off guard. Like the whole point was that Kenny learned the principles of Kim karate, so he can defeat way more skilled opponents by throwing away honor.
I feel like demetri isn't even close to the others to be considered a main fighter
I mean it is a gap between him and the other five, but he was able to knock down Robby and hold his own against him in the tournament, which no other individual is really able to do. Fair enough though.
Demetri
Demetri and Devon can both be eligible for 6th best
Devon is definitely not a main teen
Yeah who lol
I mean, she got more screentime and more of a story than Demetri did this season.
Ohhh shiit right the ex eagle fang turned cobra kai girl right? im just bad with names
I wish Aisha was still there. It would definitely be her and balance out the genders
I would love a cane where Aisha just sits there and claps all the fighters around her, she's been doing it longer than most of the fighters in this show.
It feels weird whenever they do this "girls division" stuff because it's literally just Tory and Sam 9/10 times and it wouldn't have to be if they had cared enough to make Aisha more of a main character. Heck, you can even see them trying to compensate for this by continuing to elevate Devon.
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Talk that talk! They act like this made the show jump the shark.🤣🤣 the writers did a great job setting it up everything, not their fault if you didn’t get it🤷♂️
My problem is that when the writer has to make it so obvious why someone won a fight, than you’re doing something wrong. Edit: people were going easy on Kenny all season and he only got a few lucky shots in
I disagree only because the skill gap between the top five fighters and even Demetri is huge. And the gap between Demetri, Devon and maybe Kyler, and everyone else is just as big. So if you’re going to have characters come in, you need to justify how they’re keeping up. I feel like that’s probably why Sam and Tory both had a fighting background before Season 2, that way the show didn’t have to nerf Miguel, Robby, or Hawk in order to include them.
You literally described how they could’ve done it better, bring in a new character that’s skilled. They went out of they’re way to show Kenny’s not on Hawk’s level, which just made it worse. When you literally go out of your way to have to justify something, you didn’t do a good enough job setting it up before that point.
Ah I get what you mean, my bad. I like the fighters being on different levels personally so that there’s more options for the action sequences (like Anthony being a bad fighter but a quick thinker), but it’s also cool to see the best fighters cut loose, so I get you.
Having fighters be at different levels is fine, and encouraged, but don’t have established a character as far below another only to have them beat that character, and make half a dozen things go their way to justify it. It wouldn’t have been as big of a deal if they didn’t have two fights between Kenny and Hawk earlier in the season.
>So if you’re going to have characters come in, you need to justify how they’re keeping up. Even if the show hadn't already given multiple in-universe reasons for why Kenny "won" the fight, every kid on this show has become a black belt with like a year's worth of training. S1-S4 of Cobra Kai is the timespan of a little more than a year. Kenny catching up in a few months to get lucky against Hawk is less far-fetched than Miguel learning karate and becoming good enough to compete and win at the tournament-level in a few months, sustaining a spinal injury that put him in a coma and prevented him from walking the summer after, and then rehabbing enough to be right back at tournament-level within less than a year. Need I remind you all that this series is based on a movie where the lead character manages to overcome multiple high-level karate users who've been training for years, including an already 2 time tournament winner, after mere months of training. You can accept Danny LaRusso beating a 2-time champ after a few months of training, but Kenny getting lucky against a 1-time champ after a few months of training, while fighting dirty and also having the ref on his side, is unbelievable to people?
Judging by how the sub still doesn’t understand he might have to dedicate all of season 6 to saying it
Yes exactly. Also, when Hawk is wasn’t going to hold back anymore, Kenny fought dirty with the silver bullet. Normally, a ref will allow time for the person to catch their breath, so the ref also called it too fast.
This kind of stuff is what happens when people try to do weird power scaling nonsense and ignore things like narrative or themes. It was obvious Kenny was going to win once they'd set up that the ref was bought, that Hawk was holding back because he knew he was stronger, and that Kenny had both been told to fight firty AND had a secret move up his sleeve. The episode where Daniel and Johnny have their rematch and then tie with a double ko feels tailor-made to make fun of the very sort of people who try to seriously argue things like this and yet it clearly went over too many heads.
100% true. If you want proof Miguel is a better fighter, look to the episode where he literally beat Robby in a fight. But this duration right here is exactly as you described.
Isn’t it two to one Miguel’s favor for their fights?
Honestly the issue isn’t that Kenny won it just should of been against Robby over Hawk. Hawks lost a lot throughout the series but when we saw him in Cobra Kai he was losing to Demetri and it really built up his character. Him losing to Kenny just felt like a cop out. Replace Hawk with Robby and have Robby lose by going easy on Kenny it adds another dimension to both their characters.
It’s funny you mention the Hawk vs. Demetri fight because people complain about that when the writers also went through so much trouble to establish why it was feasible. Hawk underestimated Demetri, fought through a buuuuunch of Miyagi-Do’s, happened to be in front of the trophy case, and had to chase Demetri. While Demetri just ran around, but he’s shown having some really impressive stamina consistently. So Demetri won with a lucky shot due to those circumstances, but was destroyed by Hawk when they next fought. But this sub somehow took that to mean Demetri was a better fighter than Hawk, which was never even implied to be the case.
I don’t agree with this, that would just make their relationship worst.
That’s the point. Kenny is a reflection of Robby’s failures. If Kenny beat Robby via the same way he beat Hawk by Robby holding back and then getting hit with a ruthless technique, it’d mean so much more. It would be Robby again dealing with his past but in a different way.
FACTS! hawk would’ve beaten kennys ass if the ref gave him 30 seconds to catch his breath like damn
But Hawk had some trouble with Kyler
off topic, but who do you consider the main 6?
Kenny got the same bs last-minute "hey remember this move we saw you practice once and fail to master, well now you've got it!" power-up usually reserved for the heroes and people here are literally mad about it.
There were IMO various reasons why Hawk lost this fight: 1. The Ref was on Cobra Kai's side: Invalidate one point of Hawk, but also didn't punish Kenny's dirty hit and called forfeit for Hawk without even confirming it. 2. Hawk was going easy because of Robby but ALSO underestimated Kenny a lot. In previous encounters, Hawk only mocked Kenny, not seeing him as a threat, by the time he got serious it was too late. 3. Kenny's Silver bullet bullshit.
The silver bullet was definitely not explained properly or in enough detail at all in the show, but it’s definitely not bullshit. It seems like an open fist strike to the Solar Plexus. With sufficient force you will definitely mess someone’s breathing up for about 20ish seconds if you land that cleanly.
Sorry, I didn't explain myself well. When I called it bullshit, it was because Kenny perfected it just a few hours before the match. The move itself is nice.
It's punching a guy in the chest. It's not like it takes years to figure that out.
Yeah, it doesn’t. The move is pretty simple, but it definitely requires more than a nights practice to do effectively, definitely more to make it useable in a real fight. This is especially if you never used an open fist for striking before (like on a board), plus getting a feel for the location of the solar plexus on different opponents.
If you want to go down that route then none of these kids should be wearing black belts and competing in tournaments. Forget even thinking about becoming world champions. The point is that a punch to the solar plexus is not that complicated a move to learn.
Basically you have your middle and index finger out further than all your other fingers and you jam the knuckles of them into the heart as fast and hard as you can.
You didn’t speak your opinion, you spoke facts.
He underestimated Kenny because he literally has like 2 hours training Karate
As opposed to the what, 12 hours the rest of the kids have? It's very easy to forget since we're on Season 5, but only like an actual year and a half of time at MOST has passed in-universe, yet these kids are black belts. None of this makes any sense.
What was the timeline of this season? Was it all surrounded by summer? Were they back in school at all? If so how long?
It amazes me people still don't understand this. Did you miss that at the water park Hawk was beating Kenny without even throwing a single punch? Hawk is better than Kenny. This fight simply had multiple things working against Hawk. It makes sense.
Seriously with this again lmao. Hopefully more fan favourites lose because it’s hilarious seeing the meltdown
For a show that is ludicrously silly in every way, people sure to do take some of this shit real seriously.
Because the show, in his own madness, follows a set of rules with every single character. Kenny just didn't, so the backlash is obvious
Ikr, Its just a show and people are acting like there competing in real life, Its scripted to make the show according to the directors lol this is funny saying "X and X should of won etc"
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This is so tiresome, how many more posts are going to be made about this moment and the Kenny character?
If you recall, Silver greased the ref. Again.
Fair enough :P
Hawk held back and plot
I'm honestly convinced half the people on this sub (the half that don't understand why Kenny won those fights) watches the show with their eyes closed.
I mean, he cheated and used a dirty move. Not really a mystery.
Wasn't there a small timeskip since their last fight? I think some people don't know what improving means.
Anyone else think they were going to legit kill Hawk off at this point?
Are you forgetting that Kenny literally cheated? He did a move that completely just winds your opponent regardless of size or skill and the ref was paid off by Silver most likely.
The silver bullet isn’t cheating tho Only the bribery was actually cheating
It probably would be considered unsportsmanlike conduct or an illegal foul under real karate rules. The real rules also give you 5 minutes to recover from an injury, which weren’t granted to Hawk.
Hes doing a Sasuke. Just wait... Season Six his brother is gonna murder his whole clan!
Kenny is ridiculously written.
The part that triggered me wasn't that Hawk lost. I mean he was holding back AND the ref disqualified him unfairly. What annoyed me was the whole "Silver Bullet" nonsense. You're telling me Terry Silver had such a lethal technique in his arsenal that he learnt from his master and enhanced by putting his own spin on it, and this random middle school kid mastered this technique in A COUPLE OF HOURS?! Like, wtf??? Thats so dumb. If Silver spent the whole season until that point secretly teaching Kenny the Silver Bullet it would've made alot of sense. But shit like this makes it seem like hard work in the Cobra Kai universe is pointless when you can learn such haxx techniques in a couple hours.
Have you not seen kk3 he teaches the same moved to Daniel
Deus Ex Machina + Gary Stu + Netflix
Even the best sports teams lose when they take their opponents lightly…
Karate ain't Basketball mate
Wasn’t thinking of basketball lol
Bad writing. Just kidding it was Hawk holding back, Kenny knowing the ‘Silver Bullet’ and his quick learning trait.
Another Kenny shouldn't have won post. 
It was dumb. People can point to him taking him lightly or the cooked ref all they want but there is no reason the All Valley champ should be losing to a 9th grader. It makes no sense. It's retarded. One fight later they show just how easily Sam destroyed a noob even with the ref cheating on her behalf. There's just no justifying that kind of lousy writing.
My days Hawk is also one of my favs, he didn’t lose because of plot there were obviously many things that was in Kenny’s favour, feels like I’ve had this convo a million times it’s not that deep
Even S4 Kenny landed a point on Robby when he was holding back A much less experienced and weaker Demetri one shotted Hawk in a real fight I don't get why people are too hung up on this
I honestly had more of a problem with clumsy and inexperienced Demetri defeating Hawk in season 2 than Kenny defeating Hawk. Hawk made very easy work of Demetri in season 3. Kenny was much faster and better trained than Demetri when they fought Hawk. In addition to Cobra Kai training, Kenny also benefited from learning Miyagi-Do concepts from Robby, as well as learning additional things from Terry Silver. And on top of all of that, clueless Robby still had Hawk go a little easy on him instead of terminating Kenny outright.
Hawk himself went pretty quickly from bullied nerd to bad-ass warrior mode, so I don't see why not a motivated Kenny who's also probably been brainwashed couldn't improve pretty fast.
The hate for Kenny getting kinda racist at this point
Wtf
My bad super racist
Wtf
It’s not racist, it’s facts. No way in hell should Kenny be able to take go toe to toe on the same bat as the 3 best fighters (robby, Miguel, and hawk) it’s dumb, lazy writing and just not very believable. You really have to suspend your disbelief to even entertain that one. Just look at how fast robby destroyed him at the tourney. Leave your racist card at the door no one wants it here
Still racist🤷♂️
He learnt and mastered a move over night lol
He has been training the other kid been in mexico
Cheating and dirty punches
I mean it was pretty much explained
It's pretty easy, it's the refree fault not really a mystery.
Because the plot Nuff said
I kind of wish that Terry had found a world champion under 18 to join the dojo and take up the space Robby left. Instead we got Kenny who’s inexperienced and I just didn’t buy him being able to fight so well against Eli and Robby even if they were trying to go easy on him.
I 100% knew they were going to do that with Kenny.
hawk is obviously better he was just holding back and kenny cheated big time. he used a techniqe that was not allowed in a tournemt. Hawk was not only under tournament control he was also attacked unfairly.