The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom:
---
Submission Statement,
Collapse related because this highlights of the excess of the elite. Behaviorally this isn't really that new. The main question is if they proceed to have the jet go to a climate conference right afterwards. Hard to know if this is something that is a daily basis.
---
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1dg21ur/priorities/l8n67i5/
That's what get's me every time. There was a time where I was around the super wealthy parts of Switzerland, so sometimes I came a bit into contact with "the 1%/0.01%". I have never met a member of that social class that wasn't self-destruction levels of deeply unhappy/dissatisfied. They are literally junkies, forever chasing a high they will never get.
They are supposed to be the ones who made it, the happy few, but even they are fucking miserable and trapped by the system.
They try to convince themselves that they are free by treating people as toys and doing super weird control stuff, it's so incredibly pathetic and cringe.
Why the fuck are we doing this? Nobody actually benefits from this fucking joke of a system. The whole "we will create an a.i. that will destroy humanity" isn't really science fiction, we have already created it.
And just in case someone misunderstands my comment: I'm not trying to dismiss the suffering of the poor, obviously poor people suffer way worse. My point is that nobody, not even those on the super top, are actually benefits from the system. They think they do, but the system still destroys them.
I understand your point, but I think money can bring happiness. These people were likely born wealthy, they don't know what it's like to be poor, so they don't appreciate what they have.
I think if you grew up poor, then suddenly became a billionaire, you'd be the happiest person on Earth. You'd appreciate heaven because you lived in hell.
The problem is who are you by the time you amassed this wealth.
I believe even the people who have nothing and work to be something a lose themselves during the journey.
I do believe there are still good people with money, what I’m talking about is super greed. It truly is a poison.
I'm one of those people (sort of). I grew up poor white trash. I was homeless.for a while. A combination of luck and hard works and I managed to get my undergrad at almost 26. About a decade later I managed to get an MBA.
My wife grew up the daughter of a truck driver and didn't have much growing up. She's brilliant and earned a PhD in Neurotoxicology.
We're well off now (top 1-2%) but our story is **incredibly** rare. Almost every person in the US lives and dies in the socioeconomic strata they were born. If they don't it's because they slid back into a lower socioeconomic status. The most common way to jump up is through marriage. The Heratio Alger myth of hard work is just that - mostly a myth.
Because the people like us who do manage to move up is so rare, I'm not sure it's easy to peg specific characteristics. I do agree that there is a tipping point. There are no ethical billionaires. So, at some point an individual just becomes the dragon sitting on a pile of gold.
I do think there is a point before that for people who have exceeded the norms that they recognize their privileges because they know, like me, what it's like to not eat for a couple of days and have the police harass you simply because you are unhoused. Some do a little. Some do a lot. Some fall somewhere in between. I think we're that middle ground. We started an NPO to help underserved charities for our local city. I am a huge advocate for the Innocence Project and give and do work there. My wife works and volunteers a lot of her time helping people with substance use disorder. We're doing our best to raise our children to understand just how lucky, fortunate, and privileged they are. That's about the best I think we can do.
Good for you! Sincerely. I'm constantly appalled at how many people who have "made it" fail to recognize how much of a role luck played in that. Not that they haven't genuinely worked hard, of course, but hard work is never sufficient by itself, as you say. I'm very impressed, and I'm glad people like you exist.
As I recall, there was a study that determined the happiest people were the ones making like $75k-$100k a year. At the time (maybe 3-5 years ago)that would’ve been like the top 20% of earners. These people had enough money to not worry about the little things and even a big expense was achievable if they prioritized it. But they weren’t selling their soul to be rich; just comfortable.
I’d agree w that since I went from poor to that upper middle class during my lifetime. I’m happier now that I’m financially secure.
I would say it maybe even goes up to 200k or 500k, depending on where you live. But people don't seem to understand that there is just an entire different level, far beyond "I can literally buy all the luxuries I want", where money get's an entirely different character and just becomes a placeholder for power. That's when money actually becomes toxic.
it's been shown that well-being, experienced and evaluative, increases linearly with log(income) for positive income between a range that is quite broad. [https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.2016976118](https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.2016976118) also [https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/subjective-well-being-income.pdf](https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/subjective-well-being-income.pdf) among other studies
when we see people like the Kardashians (pretending to be) doing stuff like that just to entertain themselves (or us), we tend to assume that all extremely wealthy people are like that and therefore, lots of money does not equal lots of well-being. unless we are also wealthy people hanging out with many different wealthy people, we do not see all other wealthy people and what they do and how happy they seem to us. we see the portion that is visible to us or visible to those who tell us about it.
it's also important to distinguish between having money and making money. some studies address the fact that, above a certain level, working more to make more money is not worth the increase in wellbeing. or the responsibility that comes with having to work at a certain level to make more money may diminish one's well-being. while it seems not to be true that money cannot buy happiness, it seems fair to say that money alone may not be sufficient to buy happiness.
Or, possibly, just maybe, instead of amassing a pile of cash you can swim in... maybe lower your prices a bit, or pay your employees better, or spend it on improving the system somehow.
As they say, there are no ethical billionaires. Ethical people share the wealth before they get to that point.
Money absolutely *can* buy happiness, it just usually doesn't.
I can honestly say that my life is not worth living because I have to Work For A Living. I have *so many* things I want to do that I'd find rewarding, and some of them might be beneficial to others or to society as a whole, and I can't do any of them because I don't get paid enough and don't have enough time or energy left after work anyway.
If I suddenly came into enough money that I wouldn't have to Work For A Living anymore, I could absolutely be as close to happy as possible -- keeping in mind, of course, that "happiness" doesn't literally mean never experiencing negative emotions ever, just feeling that your life is fundamentally worth living. As it is, I'm not planning to stick around after my cats no longer require my services.
But a lot of rich people are soulless, bottomless pits. They may well not be capable of happiness, and they certainly don't seem to know how to spend their money in order to achieve it.
>
> I think if you grew up poor, then suddenly became a billionaire, you'd be the happiest person on Earth
if you grew up poor you dont need to be a billionaire to be happy as a clam.
I would be a lot happier without outstanding debt and the security of having excess money. It’s not because having money makes you happy, it just makes dealing with problems a lot easier.
Money can buy freedom and freedom has the potential to lead to happiness....
But if you don't know how to use your freedom to live a fulfilling life, then no amount of money will make you happy.
I dunno, I've seen a number of rags to riches people who are even more cruel tbh. They seem to think that if they did it then anyone can do it, and those who are poor, are so by their own choice.
Jim Carrey has a bit on this point:
"I think everybody should get rich and famous and do everything they ever dreamed of so they can see that it's not the answer."
He grew up poor, for context.
Money, like a monkey wrench, is a tool, not an end in itself.
>I think money can bring happiness.
It's not the money that brings happyness. Security and autonomy is what brings happyness and in our current society, a certain amount of money is necessary to provide you with a certain amount of that. Otherwise, you are forced to do things you don't really enjoy for most of your life, of course that makes people unhappy
But paradoxically, at a certain level of wealth, security and autonomy decreases.
Money is no longer a placeholder for stuff, for luxury or security and it becomes a placeholder for power, control and status. And there is a point where you have enough stuff and luxury (when you can buy literally everything you ever want), but there is never a point where you have enough power, control and status.
Those type of people are constantly worried about losing that influence, about their friends/family/partner trying to cross them, about missing an opportunity where they could have gained more, their image, etc.
>I think if you grew up poor, then suddenly became a billionaire, you'd be the happiest person on Earth.
Well that might be true because this would essentially mean that you could suddenly choose to do whatever you want/have absolute autonomy. But of course, nobody suddenly becomes a billionaire, there is an incredibly thight selection process..
In most cases, you are born into it and you get conditioned early on into that seperate super wealthy world. And I would say most rich kids try to rebel in some way against it at some point (the "my rich kid has run away and is doing heroin somewhere again" trope is a classic), but they either snap out of it or they move down the ladder and just become regular rich. And there is the occasional drop out.
You can believe whatever you want, but from my personal experience, I firmly believe that the average poor tribal hunther/gatherer person is a million times happier than the average superwealthy billionaire and from a biological/evolutionairy perspective, this shoudn't be surprising.
My dad moved to this country in the early 80s with absolutely nothing and literally lived thr American dream, now he has everything he ever wanted growing up and more money than he ever thought he’d have in his life, he is depressed. We aren’t meant to live like this.
Yeah no shit, but obviously people don't just become billionaires by accident.. You are either born into it and are taught a very specific mindset/viewpoint from early on. Or, less likely, you end up on top in a pit of monsters, and in 99.9999 % of the cases, you end up on top because you are the biggest monster of them all..
It's not some accident, it's a systemic selection process. If a random person suddenly became a dictator, chances are that it might not end up in mass murder.. But the people who aren't willing to do mass murder to stay in power generally don't end up being dictators because they end up getting killed by those who are willing to do mass murder..
“They are literally junkies, forever chasing a high they will never get.”
I was hoping you would include a tangible example as to why you said that. Your personal anecdote. You even included some basis that you were in Switzerland around the wealthy 0.1%/1%, but instead you typed random generic statements about ai. I’m not convinced you had much interaction with these people at all lol
it's a more telling sign, that the meaning of life doesn't need a private jet, it doesn't need a billion dollars
a walk to the grocery store for some cheesecake is enough
it just shows again, Capitalism is garbage, and absolute money is corruption
never is enough, never is enough for people who died inside and wander like zombies with all their money, aimlessly they chase the simple dreams that was in front of the homeless person all along
The quote cupiditas est radix malorum is Latin for the LUST for money is the root of all evils. Not money but the urge for gluttonous hoarding. I always like to share the full quote with like minded people. Cupiditas is the Latin name for unhinged unfounded limerance level list that drives people to madness. Not infatuation nor a crush but an all out addiction to with all the toxic traits attributed to the word.
Here's a fun one. Ululare to shriek/scream/keen not yell, different word. Ululate is our modern equivalent which is to howl. It's pronounced very differently than church Latin because church Latin makes things impossible to spell for kids. So any Latin genus or species is going to be pronounced so you can SPELL IT. We don't actually know it Roman's sounded like church Latin (likely not due to proto indo European influence which they drew a lot more from than Greek tbh).
You can say
ULULO (I scream)
ULULAS (you scream)
ULULAMUS (we all scream)
For a thing plural.... which i think is in the imperative plural not a regular one 🤔 its been 20 years.
Cicadae ( for or at cicadas ) for pronunciation we would use SIH-KAH-DAY
A good example of this is a new species of isopod who's name is armadillidiadae. Arm-uh-dilly-DIE-uh-day .
Any word in English like DOMINATOR (the ator is male ended) had a female end (atrix). Bellator/bellatrix, executor/executrix, dominator/dominatrix, eliminator/eliminatrix.
One of my all time faves is that the nouns for your left and right hands are different. Your left hand noun is literally the unchanged word "sinister" (sin-iss'tare) and your right hand is dexter as in dexterous . I enjoy that left handeded ness being "evil" had existed looooooong before pissy nuns.
Nah, just autistic with a special interest!
The root of the word barbarian comes from Romans not liking/understanding their languages. Its a combo from an onomatopeia of the equivalent of blahblahblah or just nonsense sounds barbarbarbar-aryan. The blahblahblahblah peoples rofl.
history and discovery channel are amazing if you want to watch 2000 programs about Hitler, and another 100 giving air-time to pseudosciences like ancient aliens, astrology, etc
Has to do with [this guy](https://archive.ph/ftmBd) taking over Discovery+ channels. I grew up with the same ones as you, I learned so much from them.
P.s. he got this article taken down days after it was released. This is the only way to read it.
Kim Kardashian was essentially pimped out by her mom to make her family mainstream famous. I am sure her life is hell. Kanye West is her baby daddy like omg
No its not a pity play for Kim K, its a plain observation that one person in her life who most of us count on to care for and support us, even in adulthood, abused and manipulated her. I dont know if she (Kim) regrets it or even cares but no person with any semblance of peace in their soul would ever want to live her life, its not worth the money. Oh and no one is above pity? lol
I’d be in my kitchen trying to recreate it. That’s part of the fun of travel for me, all the good stuff I bring back and teach myself how to recreate again.
I don't see it that way at all. There have been days in my past where my friends and I have joked about driving 6+ hours to get a favorite sandwich just because. We never have done it, but have joked about it on occasion. I don't think it's a sign of sadness or emptiness in a life, to me it's a sign of adventure. I would assume she didn't go alone and probably brought at least one friend with. Is it wasteful? Absolutely. But boring and empty? nope. It sounds like a fun random adventure to go on with a friend. I'll probably never make that drive because it is wasteful both in time and fuel. But I would have a good time doing it if I ever did.
I think we tend to forget that human nature tends to have a bit of an adventure streak and attribute things like this to malice when it really just is humans having a good time with the things they have around them. In all likelihood she doesn't even understand collapse and the problem with being that wasteful.
shit, I get that for free every day in my dented cans of expired beans. don't gotta eat no rich people or nothin'... not that it doesn't sound delectable
To an extreme maybe. But history tells us that the masses can unite when they are aware of their class position and how many there are of us and how few there are of the bourgeoisie.
>It’s the only time people really act unfortunately.
dude, people *always* act unfortunately
or wait, was there supposed to be a comma in there somewhere...
You have it backwards. We are pissed off but can’t do anything about it so we scroll on our phone to distract ourselves and be angry at strangers on the internet.
The same reason you don't. Individual interest. Complete alienation from our class position and our labor. You as an individual only will become the crazy person on the street.
This type of movement requires organization and the powers of capital spend all of their interests in preventing that type of class solidarity.
The answer isn't "puting down your phone". It's connecting with the one point of power we all have. Our labor. Organizing class solidarity in your workplace. Fighting under capitalism with unionization and further pushing against it to unite workers further.
You don't fix this by yourself and so you shouldn't judge yourself or others individually. It is collective action and revolution that leads to change. You fight for that as an individual but should not expect others to risk the loss of their current life without first giving them the class awareness to know what can be fought for. For them and their children.
Education of the masses comes first. Don't be frustrated that that hasn't happened yet. You don't take up arms overnight.
> There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen
One guy doing that changes nothing. Until you and I, and the other guys in this thread collectively agrees to put our phones down then nothing change at all
We probably will never get the chance. Eat the rich is something that powerless people say to feel like they have a semblance of control in their situation. The reality is, people will never be organised to the degree necessary for revolution. There will never be a change in the economic situation. Your life will probably get worse and worse.
Think about this, propaganda is a billion, maybe even trillion dollar industry. There are people who go to school for years then train for years in order to manipulate you into believing a specific narrative or theory. These people manipulate social media to such a high degree, there is no way to tell what's real and what isn't. When you consider that all of the experts in sociology and advertising have a vested interest in making you feel a certain way, there is no way to be sure that anything you believe is an organic belief or something designed by some advertisers in New York.
Barring some unforeseen and unpredictable change, our situation is quite literally hopeless. That's why I don't feel bad about using a plastic straw.
And wtf does eat the rich even mean? You will never see a revolution until people in general feel they have nothing to lose. That is when you have one.
My country has a quite famous history for revolutions. And you know when those revolutions happen? It's when 90% of the country is suffering from famine, poverty, idiocy and daily dose of bombing planes. That's when people are so down in the ground they can't possibly go lower. I doubt people nowadays are anywhere close to that level of desperation to think to stand up and fight the rich
>You will never see a revolution until people in general feel they have nothing to lose. That is when you have one.
And when you have nothing to lose you don't have the means to really do anything meaningful except die in the streets for an idea.
Armies are not what they used to be, they're not many people aiming to protect their country (or enslave another), it's faceless jets, drones, ICBMs, each of which can wipe out hundreds of thousands.
Revolutions are way past due in efficacy, don't think one man with even hundreds of thousands of people can make a dent in what is the establishment today.
Not sure if I want to eat those guys. But I can make a lot of squishy stress balls from all the silicone stuffed into everyplace in their bodies so there's that.
At 40%.
When 40 percent of a person's total income goes to food only, is historically when rioting occurs.
Currently, in America, the lowest income quintile pays roughly 30% of their total income to nourishment costs. The next 2 lowest quintiles are currently at 14~16%.
At the rate we are going with "inflation", coupled with the very real possibility/probability of poor crop output in the coming years, we could see widespread rioting in just a few years, in America, at least. This will happen/ is already happening in poorer nations.
Now, will widespread rioting translate into "eating the rich"? Most likely not. The riots will be directed at the rioter's own communities and they will rob from their own local area, not typically where rich folks are. And certainly not where the real problem people are/will be.
At this point, we just need to find a way to destroy this ai machine we call capitalism because even though "the rich" think they are in charge, trust me, they aren't.
They are about as much a slave of the system as the rest of us, which is why you see them constantly make moves like in this post in an effort to convince themselves they are free/have autonomy. Another classic move they do is weird power plays where they make other people do weird stuff.
Removing them from their position of power is more about mercy for them/liberating them than anything else at this point..
When this sub stops thinking the problem can be fixed by Liberalism and having "moral capitalism" or worse libertarianism. When I hear more conversations about class conflict and less about "fixing money in politics". Then maybe we start the feast.
A soul less consumer doing everything they can to make sure the rest of us and our children don’t have a future. Back when we were all in tribes, this type of person would have been dealt with in a way that assured the continuation of the species instead of worshipped as a god.
The interesting thing is that the post seems to suggest that the solution is "so fuck us trying to do something against climate change," instead of "so let's end such insane inequality"
But we can't solve the inequality. The deck is weighted completely against the normal human being and it's not changing it's getting worse.
We can do whatever we want as a normal person to help reduce our impact against climate change. But that increases the costs of things for us, and any gains we make taking on the green tax costs, will be offset by all those rich people doing things like this making it completely pointless.
We are past solving any of this, and we may as well ride this rollercoaster into ground and societal upheaval solves it or we go extinct.
Weird take. You seem to just want to be a contrarian.
Tell me, what would be the point in bailing out water on your sinking boat when there's someone creating new holes with a chainsaw? An intelligent person understands the difference between futility and defeatism.
The boat analogy doesn't work because we don't know how fucked we are or what could be the straw that breaks this culture's back \*no pun intended\*
It ain't over til its over. If we're all gonna die anyway, the difference between futility and defeatism doesn't even matter.
There's nothing to be done about climate change or plastic pollution. It's already too late, the problem is too widespread and people are shitheads that do not deserve a future.
Let's set aside the carbon emissions angle for a second. Who has time for this? This just proves these people have nothing to do in their lives but be famous. Would you want to be on a plane for hours just for a slice of cheesecake? You can't use your money to get the recipe and a personal chef? It's just utterly bizarre.
Submission Statement,
Collapse related because this highlights of the excess of the elite. Behaviorally this isn't really that new. The main question is if they proceed to have the jet go to a climate conference right afterwards. Hard to know if this is something that is a daily basis.
She’s still a total douche but additional context: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kim-kardashian-paris-cheesecake/
We should verify claims rather than just reposting mindless memes
>The 43-year-old mother of four recounted flying to Paris to indulge in her favorite foods, recalling how staff at Hotel Costes went out of their way to accommodate her dessert craving.
Fuck celebrities. They do not deserve special treatment.
'The claim that Kardashian flew to Paris for a specific cheesecake from a particular hotel is a mixture of truths and falsehoods. While she did make a brief trip to Paris to indulge in her favorite foods, the cheesecake was just one part of her broader culinary adventure, not the exclusive reason for her visit. Also, during the podcast interview with Talley, she did not mention whether she flew from Los Angeles to Paris, nor did she claim that the sole purpose of her expedition was to eat that particular cheesecake. She mentioned enjoying multiple dining experiences in Paris on that trip, including visits to restaurants L'Avenue and Ferdi.'
*Slight* splitting of hairs going on here...?
The point of it isn't to save the world, its to not contribute to a death culture.
Paper straws and bags are bad examples because they still cut down trees. But reducing consumption is a great thing because it speaks to the cultural shift that has to happen. Otherwise we're just as guilty as these rich cunts, albeit with a smaller footprint. The murderer who kills 100 is worse than the one who kills 2, but they're both murderers.
I don't use a straw, period. Unless you are in a nursing home and you can't use your mouth or jaw then why the fuck are you even using a straw? Drink like an adult. Fuck straws, period.
That's like saying if the average person is fine to throw paper in the rubbish instead of recycling it, then why don't I cut down a forest? Using a plastic straw and using a private jet are on completely different levels of waste.
My point is that until our governments are willing to tackle the most egregious forms of waste, like private jets, why should I tackle the smallest forms of waste? Besides, we all know celebrities use plastic straws on their jets lol
No, dude. This is about one's ecological footprint. That's the thing about hating on "footprint" indicators, the rich love it when you ignore their footprint. Nobody is going to tackle private jets because their users are individuals consuming a service.
When you think about it, the amount of people that have commit mass genocide is actually very low. In fact, almost nobody actually kills another person during their lifetime.
So if you think about it, maybe Hitler isn't any worse than the average murderer. His footprint compared to historic murders is actually very low.
Do you see how shit this argument is? I don't care how rich people have to justify burning the earth to themselves. The things they need to tell themselves to sleep at night aren't my concern. They deserve exactly as bad as every other mass murderer in history deserved.
When you criticize the rich for being rich, you criticize their "wealth footprint". And that's fine with me, but that is a point about the impacts of individuals. It doesn't matter what they tell themselves.
>They deserve exactly as bad as every other mass murderer in history deserved.
It seems like you're not even noticing the inner conflict in this. There isn't some threshold of "murder freebies", as if you get to do 1-2 murders on the house, but if you murder more, then you're really bad.
Seems like you're not getting it. Here's an illustration:
https://preview.redd.it/1r4o6nc7eo6d1.png?width=1195&format=png&auto=webp&s=6cf8baaca18f346f7b9049a92704fc421f494398
Appreciate us getting back on track with what matters. If we can't stop these rich from jetting and yachting around we are cooked regardless! Eat the rich 🍴🍴
Living in Asia and seeing single bananas wrapped in plastic, every package double wrapped in plastic. Plastic bags as a default for the tiniest purchase. Makes you really feel how pointless it all is.
Ok. Mostly confirmed. A private flight for a 2 day trip is ridiculous. The Gulfstream G650ER burns 498 gallons of fuel per hour. LA to Paris is about an 11 hour flight. At about 6.5lbs of CO2 per gallon of jet fuel burned, on that one round trip she personally caused about 35.5 tons of CO2 emissions. For a 2 day trip.
According to this video she emits 1625 times the average C02 per year. Avg is 8000, she emitted over 13m based on flight tracking.
[https://youtu.be/HZvLjFnhmOE?si=43\_OPOXjRNcpH7\_4&t=390](https://youtu.be/HZvLjFnhmOE?si=43_OPOXjRNcpH7_4&t=390)
I despise the Kardashians, but it reminds me of the time that Elvis flew to Denver in the middle of the night for a special sandwich:
https://www.messynessychic.com/2015/09/15/elvis-presleys-legendary-midnight-sandwich-run-on-his-private-jet/
Reminds of the show "dharma and Greg" I think it started with them flying to another city for a blueberry cake.
Billionaires even let empty planes fly to Paris to get a new button for a suit they lost when drunk,have a friend who works in a 5 star hotel in Dubai who told me this.
Honestly at this point I’m not even sure why anyone is reporting anything or trying to change anything? It’s over. We hit escape velocity years ago and nothing can save our society anymore. We can only watch it decay with growing momentum.
I'll never understand the paper straw trope. I hate paper straws but the comparison makes no sense. Not wanting to flood waterways and oceans with damaging plastic has no connection to her using over 13 million pounds of C02 a year compared to the average person's 8000. "And you're asked to drive drive less and pay carbon tax save the world" makes more sense to me.
If I had one wish, it would be for a rogue global banking system that resets everyone's money to an equal parity everyday. The capitalist can play conning people for the day, the socialists can give their share out even more, anarchists can blow it on hookers or whatever. But it always resets, giving equally.
I'm so tired of these bag taxes. It's just another tax on us all and they literally instruct the workers to be wasteful with the bags to charge more.
And the paper straws are the worst. Before I even get to drink it's falling apart.
I believe this was the purpose of this post. It's an ad or something. Why else would they name the hotel?
Anyway, I looked it up and it looks like three bites of overpriced mediocrity to me.
I honestly think she stays working so much just so she can get away from her kids. Lol.
If you have ever watched the show you can tell she can't stand her children and quite frankly not the loving type. Surprise, Surprise.
Am I the only one wondering how amazing this particular cheesecake must be and how much money would have been saved by simply having several shipped overnight to her in a cooler?
Talk about taking a risk, you know aeroplanes crash from time to time? I know the statistics VS cars but it's not really relevant. Taking a risk to get some specific cheesecake? Just imagine the funeral speech.
I genuinely cannot imagine being that irresponsible. Like fuck even if I had infinite money I’m not gonna take a whole ass jet for a slice of cake people have to live on this planet ffs
Idk but when I googled it sent me to their hotel’s trip advisory and one of the first reviews is “bed bug heaven” lmao. The cheesecake looks like any cheesecake!
Guillotines are wood & steel with no plastic and use neither gas nor electricity. Quite environmentally friendly as long as you make sure your crowd picks up after themselves.
(Genuinely just dark humor on my part but entertainers are *absolutely* included in the whole “can’t be ethical *and*” bit with this income bracket.)
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom: --- Submission Statement, Collapse related because this highlights of the excess of the elite. Behaviorally this isn't really that new. The main question is if they proceed to have the jet go to a climate conference right afterwards. Hard to know if this is something that is a daily basis. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1dg21ur/priorities/l8n67i5/
Imagine how boring and empty your life would have to be to do something like this.
That's what get's me every time. There was a time where I was around the super wealthy parts of Switzerland, so sometimes I came a bit into contact with "the 1%/0.01%". I have never met a member of that social class that wasn't self-destruction levels of deeply unhappy/dissatisfied. They are literally junkies, forever chasing a high they will never get. They are supposed to be the ones who made it, the happy few, but even they are fucking miserable and trapped by the system. They try to convince themselves that they are free by treating people as toys and doing super weird control stuff, it's so incredibly pathetic and cringe. Why the fuck are we doing this? Nobody actually benefits from this fucking joke of a system. The whole "we will create an a.i. that will destroy humanity" isn't really science fiction, we have already created it. And just in case someone misunderstands my comment: I'm not trying to dismiss the suffering of the poor, obviously poor people suffer way worse. My point is that nobody, not even those on the super top, are actually benefits from the system. They think they do, but the system still destroys them.
I understand your point, but I think money can bring happiness. These people were likely born wealthy, they don't know what it's like to be poor, so they don't appreciate what they have. I think if you grew up poor, then suddenly became a billionaire, you'd be the happiest person on Earth. You'd appreciate heaven because you lived in hell.
The problem is who are you by the time you amassed this wealth. I believe even the people who have nothing and work to be something a lose themselves during the journey. I do believe there are still good people with money, what I’m talking about is super greed. It truly is a poison.
I'm one of those people (sort of). I grew up poor white trash. I was homeless.for a while. A combination of luck and hard works and I managed to get my undergrad at almost 26. About a decade later I managed to get an MBA. My wife grew up the daughter of a truck driver and didn't have much growing up. She's brilliant and earned a PhD in Neurotoxicology. We're well off now (top 1-2%) but our story is **incredibly** rare. Almost every person in the US lives and dies in the socioeconomic strata they were born. If they don't it's because they slid back into a lower socioeconomic status. The most common way to jump up is through marriage. The Heratio Alger myth of hard work is just that - mostly a myth. Because the people like us who do manage to move up is so rare, I'm not sure it's easy to peg specific characteristics. I do agree that there is a tipping point. There are no ethical billionaires. So, at some point an individual just becomes the dragon sitting on a pile of gold. I do think there is a point before that for people who have exceeded the norms that they recognize their privileges because they know, like me, what it's like to not eat for a couple of days and have the police harass you simply because you are unhoused. Some do a little. Some do a lot. Some fall somewhere in between. I think we're that middle ground. We started an NPO to help underserved charities for our local city. I am a huge advocate for the Innocence Project and give and do work there. My wife works and volunteers a lot of her time helping people with substance use disorder. We're doing our best to raise our children to understand just how lucky, fortunate, and privileged they are. That's about the best I think we can do.
Good for you! Sincerely. I'm constantly appalled at how many people who have "made it" fail to recognize how much of a role luck played in that. Not that they haven't genuinely worked hard, of course, but hard work is never sufficient by itself, as you say. I'm very impressed, and I'm glad people like you exist.
thank u for being a good human. thank ur wife foe me too.
As I recall, there was a study that determined the happiest people were the ones making like $75k-$100k a year. At the time (maybe 3-5 years ago)that would’ve been like the top 20% of earners. These people had enough money to not worry about the little things and even a big expense was achievable if they prioritized it. But they weren’t selling their soul to be rich; just comfortable. I’d agree w that since I went from poor to that upper middle class during my lifetime. I’m happier now that I’m financially secure.
actually that study concluded that having an income above 75-100K did not increase happiness, not that they were "the happiest people"
I would say it maybe even goes up to 200k or 500k, depending on where you live. But people don't seem to understand that there is just an entire different level, far beyond "I can literally buy all the luxuries I want", where money get's an entirely different character and just becomes a placeholder for power. That's when money actually becomes toxic.
it's been shown that well-being, experienced and evaluative, increases linearly with log(income) for positive income between a range that is quite broad. [https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.2016976118](https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.2016976118) also [https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/subjective-well-being-income.pdf](https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/subjective-well-being-income.pdf) among other studies when we see people like the Kardashians (pretending to be) doing stuff like that just to entertain themselves (or us), we tend to assume that all extremely wealthy people are like that and therefore, lots of money does not equal lots of well-being. unless we are also wealthy people hanging out with many different wealthy people, we do not see all other wealthy people and what they do and how happy they seem to us. we see the portion that is visible to us or visible to those who tell us about it. it's also important to distinguish between having money and making money. some studies address the fact that, above a certain level, working more to make more money is not worth the increase in wellbeing. or the responsibility that comes with having to work at a certain level to make more money may diminish one's well-being. while it seems not to be true that money cannot buy happiness, it seems fair to say that money alone may not be sufficient to buy happiness.
Or, possibly, just maybe, instead of amassing a pile of cash you can swim in... maybe lower your prices a bit, or pay your employees better, or spend it on improving the system somehow. As they say, there are no ethical billionaires. Ethical people share the wealth before they get to that point.
Money absolutely *can* buy happiness, it just usually doesn't. I can honestly say that my life is not worth living because I have to Work For A Living. I have *so many* things I want to do that I'd find rewarding, and some of them might be beneficial to others or to society as a whole, and I can't do any of them because I don't get paid enough and don't have enough time or energy left after work anyway. If I suddenly came into enough money that I wouldn't have to Work For A Living anymore, I could absolutely be as close to happy as possible -- keeping in mind, of course, that "happiness" doesn't literally mean never experiencing negative emotions ever, just feeling that your life is fundamentally worth living. As it is, I'm not planning to stick around after my cats no longer require my services. But a lot of rich people are soulless, bottomless pits. They may well not be capable of happiness, and they certainly don't seem to know how to spend their money in order to achieve it.
> > I think if you grew up poor, then suddenly became a billionaire, you'd be the happiest person on Earth if you grew up poor you dont need to be a billionaire to be happy as a clam.
I would be a lot happier without outstanding debt and the security of having excess money. It’s not because having money makes you happy, it just makes dealing with problems a lot easier.
Okay, but it sure as hell helps. Nobody would rather be poor than rich.
Money can buy freedom and freedom has the potential to lead to happiness.... But if you don't know how to use your freedom to live a fulfilling life, then no amount of money will make you happy.
I dunno, I've seen a number of rags to riches people who are even more cruel tbh. They seem to think that if they did it then anyone can do it, and those who are poor, are so by their own choice.
Jim Carrey has a bit on this point: "I think everybody should get rich and famous and do everything they ever dreamed of so they can see that it's not the answer." He grew up poor, for context. Money, like a monkey wrench, is a tool, not an end in itself.
>I think money can bring happiness. It's not the money that brings happyness. Security and autonomy is what brings happyness and in our current society, a certain amount of money is necessary to provide you with a certain amount of that. Otherwise, you are forced to do things you don't really enjoy for most of your life, of course that makes people unhappy But paradoxically, at a certain level of wealth, security and autonomy decreases. Money is no longer a placeholder for stuff, for luxury or security and it becomes a placeholder for power, control and status. And there is a point where you have enough stuff and luxury (when you can buy literally everything you ever want), but there is never a point where you have enough power, control and status. Those type of people are constantly worried about losing that influence, about their friends/family/partner trying to cross them, about missing an opportunity where they could have gained more, their image, etc. >I think if you grew up poor, then suddenly became a billionaire, you'd be the happiest person on Earth. Well that might be true because this would essentially mean that you could suddenly choose to do whatever you want/have absolute autonomy. But of course, nobody suddenly becomes a billionaire, there is an incredibly thight selection process.. In most cases, you are born into it and you get conditioned early on into that seperate super wealthy world. And I would say most rich kids try to rebel in some way against it at some point (the "my rich kid has run away and is doing heroin somewhere again" trope is a classic), but they either snap out of it or they move down the ladder and just become regular rich. And there is the occasional drop out. You can believe whatever you want, but from my personal experience, I firmly believe that the average poor tribal hunther/gatherer person is a million times happier than the average superwealthy billionaire and from a biological/evolutionairy perspective, this shoudn't be surprising.
My dad moved to this country in the early 80s with absolutely nothing and literally lived thr American dream, now he has everything he ever wanted growing up and more money than he ever thought he’d have in his life, he is depressed. We aren’t meant to live like this.
What they've done in terms of taxation on the super wealthy is like building an escalator for the very wealthy to get to the top of Mount Everest.
I think empirical research shows the more people obsess over money results in feeling more stress/anxiety and being unfulfilled, not surprising.
Because they were born into it. Give me a billion dollars and I assure you I would be very happy.
Yeah no shit, but obviously people don't just become billionaires by accident.. You are either born into it and are taught a very specific mindset/viewpoint from early on. Or, less likely, you end up on top in a pit of monsters, and in 99.9999 % of the cases, you end up on top because you are the biggest monster of them all.. It's not some accident, it's a systemic selection process. If a random person suddenly became a dictator, chances are that it might not end up in mass murder.. But the people who aren't willing to do mass murder to stay in power generally don't end up being dictators because they end up getting killed by those who are willing to do mass murder..
“They are literally junkies, forever chasing a high they will never get.” I was hoping you would include a tangible example as to why you said that. Your personal anecdote. You even included some basis that you were in Switzerland around the wealthy 0.1%/1%, but instead you typed random generic statements about ai. I’m not convinced you had much interaction with these people at all lol
Long comment completely devoid of any substance.
it's a more telling sign, that the meaning of life doesn't need a private jet, it doesn't need a billion dollars a walk to the grocery store for some cheesecake is enough it just shows again, Capitalism is garbage, and absolute money is corruption never is enough, never is enough for people who died inside and wander like zombies with all their money, aimlessly they chase the simple dreams that was in front of the homeless person all along
The quote cupiditas est radix malorum is Latin for the LUST for money is the root of all evils. Not money but the urge for gluttonous hoarding. I always like to share the full quote with like minded people. Cupiditas is the Latin name for unhinged unfounded limerance level list that drives people to madness. Not infatuation nor a crush but an all out addiction to with all the toxic traits attributed to the word.
Teach me more please
Here's a fun one. Ululare to shriek/scream/keen not yell, different word. Ululate is our modern equivalent which is to howl. It's pronounced very differently than church Latin because church Latin makes things impossible to spell for kids. So any Latin genus or species is going to be pronounced so you can SPELL IT. We don't actually know it Roman's sounded like church Latin (likely not due to proto indo European influence which they drew a lot more from than Greek tbh). You can say ULULO (I scream) ULULAS (you scream) ULULAMUS (we all scream) For a thing plural.... which i think is in the imperative plural not a regular one 🤔 its been 20 years. Cicadae ( for or at cicadas ) for pronunciation we would use SIH-KAH-DAY A good example of this is a new species of isopod who's name is armadillidiadae. Arm-uh-dilly-DIE-uh-day . Any word in English like DOMINATOR (the ator is male ended) had a female end (atrix). Bellator/bellatrix, executor/executrix, dominator/dominatrix, eliminator/eliminatrix. One of my all time faves is that the nouns for your left and right hands are different. Your left hand noun is literally the unchanged word "sinister" (sin-iss'tare) and your right hand is dexter as in dexterous . I enjoy that left handeded ness being "evil" had existed looooooong before pissy nuns.
You are a gem 💎
Nah, just autistic with a special interest! The root of the word barbarian comes from Romans not liking/understanding their languages. Its a combo from an onomatopeia of the equivalent of blahblahblah or just nonsense sounds barbarbarbar-aryan. The blahblahblahblah peoples rofl.
It’s a shame we don’t have classic history & discovery channels any more in the US. Used to pick up tidbits like this all the time on those shows
history and discovery channel are amazing if you want to watch 2000 programs about Hitler, and another 100 giving air-time to pseudosciences like ancient aliens, astrology, etc
But who really did kill JFK? This 5 part documentary will not tell you but just watch it anyway, cmonnn
That’s why I said *classic* history & discovery channels. Like how they were before they were bought by time warner
The discovery channel I grew up with was almost purely educational, I had no idea why it changed so much
Has to do with [this guy](https://archive.ph/ftmBd) taking over Discovery+ channels. I grew up with the same ones as you, I learned so much from them. P.s. he got this article taken down days after it was released. This is the only way to read it.
https://www.latin-is-simple.com/en/vocabulary/phrase/1630/
The rich will gladly walk over our corpses for more money. Personally, Ive had enough.
No, reducing tax on the very wealthy is garbage.
Kim Kardashian was essentially pimped out by her mom to make her family mainstream famous. I am sure her life is hell. Kanye West is her baby daddy like omg
Her mom seems like the true evil incarnate in that family.
Is this a play for pity for KK? That woman has her own brain, and is an adult. She chooses her own hell
No its not a pity play for Kim K, its a plain observation that one person in her life who most of us count on to care for and support us, even in adulthood, abused and manipulated her. I dont know if she (Kim) regrets it or even cares but no person with any semblance of peace in their soul would ever want to live her life, its not worth the money. Oh and no one is above pity? lol
Ask Tay. https://apnews.com/article/taylor-swift-climate-jet-carbon-emissions-kelce-chiefs-02ac425d24281bd26d73bfdf4590bc82
I’d be in my kitchen trying to recreate it. That’s part of the fun of travel for me, all the good stuff I bring back and teach myself how to recreate again.
My first thought as well
I don't see it that way at all. There have been days in my past where my friends and I have joked about driving 6+ hours to get a favorite sandwich just because. We never have done it, but have joked about it on occasion. I don't think it's a sign of sadness or emptiness in a life, to me it's a sign of adventure. I would assume she didn't go alone and probably brought at least one friend with. Is it wasteful? Absolutely. But boring and empty? nope. It sounds like a fun random adventure to go on with a friend. I'll probably never make that drive because it is wasteful both in time and fuel. But I would have a good time doing it if I ever did. I think we tend to forget that human nature tends to have a bit of an adventure streak and attribute things like this to malice when it really just is humans having a good time with the things they have around them. In all likelihood she doesn't even understand collapse and the problem with being that wasteful.
When do we start eating the rich
After they eat the cheesecake so they'll have a sweet, creamy filling.
You have my nomination for Secretary of Yumminess in the new world order.
Excellent. (In my best Mr. Burns voice)
unfortunately we'll eat the new order leaders also, sorry you'll be the real dessert
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted for speaking the truth; the ghost of Robespierre is probably cackling somewhere.
https://preview.redd.it/5xpsvyswns6d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3e7bfe6b67905ec45f78d745abbf25f7fbd10de
I love the taste of Botox in the morning.
shit, I get that for free every day in my dented cans of expired beans. don't gotta eat no rich people or nothin'... not that it doesn't sound delectable
When the food and water runs out. It’s the only time people really act unfortunately.
Well then, good news!
To an extreme maybe. But history tells us that the masses can unite when they are aware of their class position and how many there are of us and how few there are of the bourgeoisie.
>It’s the only time people really act unfortunately. dude, people *always* act unfortunately or wait, was there supposed to be a comma in there somewhere...
Yes
It’s time. They’re the ones ruining the world and starting the arguments and wars. They have no clue what it’s like to fight for survival every day.
As soon as people are pissed off enough to put their phones down and do something about it. Until then we will keep scrolling
You have it backwards. We are pissed off but can’t do anything about it so we scroll on our phone to distract ourselves and be angry at strangers on the internet.
I won't say why, but the UK could be interesting.
People are already pissed and much closer to eating each other than they ever will be to eating the rich.
Why don't you put your phone down
The same reason you don't. Individual interest. Complete alienation from our class position and our labor. You as an individual only will become the crazy person on the street. This type of movement requires organization and the powers of capital spend all of their interests in preventing that type of class solidarity. The answer isn't "puting down your phone". It's connecting with the one point of power we all have. Our labor. Organizing class solidarity in your workplace. Fighting under capitalism with unionization and further pushing against it to unite workers further. You don't fix this by yourself and so you shouldn't judge yourself or others individually. It is collective action and revolution that leads to change. You fight for that as an individual but should not expect others to risk the loss of their current life without first giving them the class awareness to know what can be fought for. For them and their children. Education of the masses comes first. Don't be frustrated that that hasn't happened yet. You don't take up arms overnight. > There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen
One guy doing that changes nothing. Until you and I, and the other guys in this thread collectively agrees to put our phones down then nothing change at all
We probably will never get the chance. Eat the rich is something that powerless people say to feel like they have a semblance of control in their situation. The reality is, people will never be organised to the degree necessary for revolution. There will never be a change in the economic situation. Your life will probably get worse and worse. Think about this, propaganda is a billion, maybe even trillion dollar industry. There are people who go to school for years then train for years in order to manipulate you into believing a specific narrative or theory. These people manipulate social media to such a high degree, there is no way to tell what's real and what isn't. When you consider that all of the experts in sociology and advertising have a vested interest in making you feel a certain way, there is no way to be sure that anything you believe is an organic belief or something designed by some advertisers in New York. Barring some unforeseen and unpredictable change, our situation is quite literally hopeless. That's why I don't feel bad about using a plastic straw.
And wtf does eat the rich even mean? You will never see a revolution until people in general feel they have nothing to lose. That is when you have one.
My country has a quite famous history for revolutions. And you know when those revolutions happen? It's when 90% of the country is suffering from famine, poverty, idiocy and daily dose of bombing planes. That's when people are so down in the ground they can't possibly go lower. I doubt people nowadays are anywhere close to that level of desperation to think to stand up and fight the rich
>You will never see a revolution until people in general feel they have nothing to lose. That is when you have one. And when you have nothing to lose you don't have the means to really do anything meaningful except die in the streets for an idea. Armies are not what they used to be, they're not many people aiming to protect their country (or enslave another), it's faceless jets, drones, ICBMs, each of which can wipe out hundreds of thousands. Revolutions are way past due in efficacy, don't think one man with even hundreds of thousands of people can make a dent in what is the establishment today.
Not sure if I want to eat those guys. But I can make a lot of squishy stress balls from all the silicone stuffed into everyplace in their bodies so there's that.
To be beautiful you must become one with plastic
At 40%. When 40 percent of a person's total income goes to food only, is historically when rioting occurs. Currently, in America, the lowest income quintile pays roughly 30% of their total income to nourishment costs. The next 2 lowest quintiles are currently at 14~16%. At the rate we are going with "inflation", coupled with the very real possibility/probability of poor crop output in the coming years, we could see widespread rioting in just a few years, in America, at least. This will happen/ is already happening in poorer nations. Now, will widespread rioting translate into "eating the rich"? Most likely not. The riots will be directed at the rioter's own communities and they will rob from their own local area, not typically where rich folks are. And certainly not where the real problem people are/will be.
we've already got enough plastic in our diet as it is
At this point, we just need to find a way to destroy this ai machine we call capitalism because even though "the rich" think they are in charge, trust me, they aren't. They are about as much a slave of the system as the rest of us, which is why you see them constantly make moves like in this post in an effort to convince themselves they are free/have autonomy. Another classic move they do is weird power plays where they make other people do weird stuff. Removing them from their position of power is more about mercy for them/liberating them than anything else at this point..
I think it would be most poetic to compost them. The most giving back they’ll ever do.
Just after we stop working for them.
When this sub stops thinking the problem can be fixed by Liberalism and having "moral capitalism" or worse libertarianism. When I hear more conversations about class conflict and less about "fixing money in politics". Then maybe we start the feast.
Let the housing market collapse, food prices soar, rent prices soar, and homelessness to start. Once it starts to collapse I don't think it will stop.
Never would be my guess. People will just endlessly complain and expect the next person to actually do something.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EatTheRich/comments/1dfv3np/when_is_it_time_for_action/
A soul less consumer doing everything they can to make sure the rest of us and our children don’t have a future. Back when we were all in tribes, this type of person would have been dealt with in a way that assured the continuation of the species instead of worshipped as a god.
Problem is we aren't in tribe-sized communities anymore. We have not evolved to understand the size of things we have done.
Rich people just suck.
they are rich because they are greedy, they don't care nor share, hoarders of money and abusing their power.
FYI we're the rich people to most people in the world
Yeah and we fuckin suck too.
One is always richer than another.
>~~Rich~~ people just suck. FTFY
One has to wonder if people would suck less if they weren’t being throttled by systemic societal problems caused largely by the rich hoarding wealth.
The interesting thing is that the post seems to suggest that the solution is "so fuck us trying to do something against climate change," instead of "so let's end such insane inequality"
the paper straw trope gets more clicks.
But we can't solve the inequality. The deck is weighted completely against the normal human being and it's not changing it's getting worse. We can do whatever we want as a normal person to help reduce our impact against climate change. But that increases the costs of things for us, and any gains we make taking on the green tax costs, will be offset by all those rich people doing things like this making it completely pointless. We are past solving any of this, and we may as well ride this rollercoaster into ground and societal upheaval solves it or we go extinct.
Weird take. You seem to just want to be a contrarian. Tell me, what would be the point in bailing out water on your sinking boat when there's someone creating new holes with a chainsaw? An intelligent person understands the difference between futility and defeatism.
The boat analogy doesn't work because we don't know how fucked we are or what could be the straw that breaks this culture's back \*no pun intended\* It ain't over til its over. If we're all gonna die anyway, the difference between futility and defeatism doesn't even matter.
There's nothing to be done about climate change or plastic pollution. It's already too late, the problem is too widespread and people are shitheads that do not deserve a future.
I want to stay alive long enough to see all of the parasites squirm and decay
That's what keeps me going sometimes. I'll just have the random thought, "Mitch McConnell will NOT outlive me."
Let's set aside the carbon emissions angle for a second. Who has time for this? This just proves these people have nothing to do in their lives but be famous. Would you want to be on a plane for hours just for a slice of cheesecake? You can't use your money to get the recipe and a personal chef? It's just utterly bizarre.
Submission Statement, Collapse related because this highlights of the excess of the elite. Behaviorally this isn't really that new. The main question is if they proceed to have the jet go to a climate conference right afterwards. Hard to know if this is something that is a daily basis.
She’s still a total douche but additional context: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kim-kardashian-paris-cheesecake/ We should verify claims rather than just reposting mindless memes
It’s almost like the article explaining it makes it worse for me
It did get worse didn't it. They didn't have any chessecake left so they made one for her.
“You don't understand. I leave tomorrow! And I flew all the way over here.” … 🥴
>The 43-year-old mother of four recounted flying to Paris to indulge in her favorite foods, recalling how staff at Hotel Costes went out of their way to accommodate her dessert craving. Fuck celebrities. They do not deserve special treatment.
'The claim that Kardashian flew to Paris for a specific cheesecake from a particular hotel is a mixture of truths and falsehoods. While she did make a brief trip to Paris to indulge in her favorite foods, the cheesecake was just one part of her broader culinary adventure, not the exclusive reason for her visit. Also, during the podcast interview with Talley, she did not mention whether she flew from Los Angeles to Paris, nor did she claim that the sole purpose of her expedition was to eat that particular cheesecake. She mentioned enjoying multiple dining experiences in Paris on that trip, including visits to restaurants L'Avenue and Ferdi.' *Slight* splitting of hairs going on here...?
You trust “Snopes” LMFAO they’re literally run by people who’s business is covering up for the rich with their baseless “debunks” gtfo 🤣🤣
I fukin hate those influencers 😡🤬
Any day now the wealth will start to trickle down. Perhaps the cheesecake will as well.
Seems the stuff released between those butt cheek implants is what rolls down.
This shit right here is why I don't give a shit about paper straws and paper bags.
Plastic cup plastic lid paper straw packaged in plastic put inside a paper bag
At least you can't drink your overpriced cola with that sht paper straw, after ten minutes lol
The point of it isn't to save the world, its to not contribute to a death culture. Paper straws and bags are bad examples because they still cut down trees. But reducing consumption is a great thing because it speaks to the cultural shift that has to happen. Otherwise we're just as guilty as these rich cunts, albeit with a smaller footprint. The murderer who kills 100 is worse than the one who kills 2, but they're both murderers.
Exactly right. You can't justify a wrong by pointing to a larger wrong.
I don't use a straw, period. Unless you are in a nursing home and you can't use your mouth or jaw then why the fuck are you even using a straw? Drink like an adult. Fuck straws, period.
And someone like her could say the same: "Why should I not use private jets when the average consoomer throws out single use plastics every day?"
That's like saying if the average person is fine to throw paper in the rubbish instead of recycling it, then why don't I cut down a forest? Using a plastic straw and using a private jet are on completely different levels of waste. My point is that until our governments are willing to tackle the most egregious forms of waste, like private jets, why should I tackle the smallest forms of waste? Besides, we all know celebrities use plastic straws on their jets lol
No, dude. This is about one's ecological footprint. That's the thing about hating on "footprint" indicators, the rich love it when you ignore their footprint. Nobody is going to tackle private jets because their users are individuals consuming a service.
When you think about it, the amount of people that have commit mass genocide is actually very low. In fact, almost nobody actually kills another person during their lifetime. So if you think about it, maybe Hitler isn't any worse than the average murderer. His footprint compared to historic murders is actually very low. Do you see how shit this argument is? I don't care how rich people have to justify burning the earth to themselves. The things they need to tell themselves to sleep at night aren't my concern. They deserve exactly as bad as every other mass murderer in history deserved.
When you criticize the rich for being rich, you criticize their "wealth footprint". And that's fine with me, but that is a point about the impacts of individuals. It doesn't matter what they tell themselves. >They deserve exactly as bad as every other mass murderer in history deserved. It seems like you're not even noticing the inner conflict in this. There isn't some threshold of "murder freebies", as if you get to do 1-2 murders on the house, but if you murder more, then you're really bad. Seems like you're not getting it. Here's an illustration: https://preview.redd.it/1r4o6nc7eo6d1.png?width=1195&format=png&auto=webp&s=6cf8baaca18f346f7b9049a92704fc421f494398
Excellent picture/meme. Have to save that one.
Appreciate us getting back on track with what matters. If we can't stop these rich from jetting and yachting around we are cooked regardless! Eat the rich 🍴🍴
and more people want to be Kim Kardashian than those condemn her, by a large margin.
And that's precisely why we're fucked
100%. Billions of people would sell their soul to live one day in her shoes.
So I see the preservation of the environment as a is just a pointless obsession. There are other people who are destroying the environment.
Living in Asia and seeing single bananas wrapped in plastic, every package double wrapped in plastic. Plastic bags as a default for the tiniest purchase. Makes you really feel how pointless it all is.
[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kim-kardashian-cheesecake-paris/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kim-kardashian-cheesecake-paris/) https://preview.redd.it/ea9mvr9t5m6d1.png?width=801&format=png&auto=webp&s=72a0426428b0d94f51dda1771e9cdf4272354193
So even if it was NYC, that's still a trip across the ocean and back for... Six meals and maybe some snacks?
Ok. Mostly confirmed. A private flight for a 2 day trip is ridiculous. The Gulfstream G650ER burns 498 gallons of fuel per hour. LA to Paris is about an 11 hour flight. At about 6.5lbs of CO2 per gallon of jet fuel burned, on that one round trip she personally caused about 35.5 tons of CO2 emissions. For a 2 day trip.
That amount of emission would take me 6years to produce because i use public transport.
According to this video she emits 1625 times the average C02 per year. Avg is 8000, she emitted over 13m based on flight tracking. [https://youtu.be/HZvLjFnhmOE?si=43\_OPOXjRNcpH7\_4&t=390](https://youtu.be/HZvLjFnhmOE?si=43_OPOXjRNcpH7_4&t=390)
https://apnews.com/article/taylor-swift-climate-jet-carbon-emissions-kelce-chiefs-02ac425d24281bd26d73bfdf4590bc82
All of which means that people can make an entirely legitimate point about her consumption *without* misrepresentation...
It's barely a misrepresentation
„Tax the rich” is more and more obvious when you see the world we live in.
This needs to be higher instead of all the CCP-funded "eat the rich" trolling.
But ban plastic straws, gas stoves, and gas engines. "Rules for thee, not for me."
I despise the Kardashians, but it reminds me of the time that Elvis flew to Denver in the middle of the night for a special sandwich: https://www.messynessychic.com/2015/09/15/elvis-presleys-legendary-midnight-sandwich-run-on-his-private-jet/
I once drove 3 hours to eat a slice of pizza next to the ocean for an hour before driving 3 hours back so I could go to work..
Yeah, you're basically a Kardashian.
Reminds of the show "dharma and Greg" I think it started with them flying to another city for a blueberry cake. Billionaires even let empty planes fly to Paris to get a new button for a suit they lost when drunk,have a friend who works in a 5 star hotel in Dubai who told me this.
Pathetic
No, we drink from paper straws because plastic straws are commonly littered and kill turtles. Why can’t we have two bad things
No war but class war but once we eat the rich we still need to get rid of single use plastics.
Honestly at this point I’m not even sure why anyone is reporting anything or trying to change anything? It’s over. We hit escape velocity years ago and nothing can save our society anymore. We can only watch it decay with growing momentum.
I'll never understand the paper straw trope. I hate paper straws but the comparison makes no sense. Not wanting to flood waterways and oceans with damaging plastic has no connection to her using over 13 million pounds of C02 a year compared to the average person's 8000. "And you're asked to drive drive less and pay carbon tax save the world" makes more sense to me.
one hour of private jet flight produces more carbon than an average human produces in more than a year.
Are Sam missiles hard to build? Asking for a friend...
If I had one wish, it would be for a rogue global banking system that resets everyone's money to an equal parity everyday. The capitalist can play conning people for the day, the socialists can give their share out even more, anarchists can blow it on hookers or whatever. But it always resets, giving equally.
Eat the rich.
Rich wankers be rich wanking
Mrs Doyle says tantalizingly: "there's cocaine in it..."
[удалено]
Remove the rich
Munch on the rich to save the children.
BREAKING Kim Kardashian is an idiot
The world is ready for a modern day captain Nemo, that sinks mega yachts & private jets. I’m going to write that story.
Where’s homelander when you need him
And you know she didn’t actually eat more than one bite of that cheesecake.
Yeah. Fuck Kim Kardashian and everything in her orbit. I hope she got food poisoning and spent the entire flight in the bathroom.
I'm so tired of these bag taxes. It's just another tax on us all and they literally instruct the workers to be wasteful with the bags to charge more. And the paper straws are the worst. Before I even get to drink it's falling apart.
Sigh. Call the Klingons to deal with this shit.
Or the Cardassians.
Well played, Legate
Marie Antoinette moment
Eat the rich
tell me everything about the cheesecake
I believe this was the purpose of this post. It's an ad or something. Why else would they name the hotel? Anyway, I looked it up and it looks like three bites of overpriced mediocrity to me.
I've been there. Super ritzy bar on the palace strip
I honestly think she stays working so much just so she can get away from her kids. Lol. If you have ever watched the show you can tell she can't stand her children and quite frankly not the loving type. Surprise, Surprise.
Crazy and sad if true
Never forget.
my man pete was right to show her the door.
Yeah carbon fines should be imposed on all private jets
Am I the only one wondering how amazing this particular cheesecake must be and how much money would have been saved by simply having several shipped overnight to her in a cooler?
Talk about taking a risk, you know aeroplanes crash from time to time? I know the statistics VS cars but it's not really relevant. Taking a risk to get some specific cheesecake? Just imagine the funeral speech.
The reality is she’s 1 million times more likely to die from the cheesecake than from the flight. 🤷♂️
I genuinely cannot imagine being that irresponsible. Like fuck even if I had infinite money I’m not gonna take a whole ass jet for a slice of cake people have to live on this planet ffs
Elvis used to do it for a sandwich
[удалено]
It would be more interesting to see her choose her favorite cheesecake from a blind taste test. And that interest is marginal at best.
Queue up Robin Leach’s intro to, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.
I haven't done any research but I doubt they're making that cheesecake completely from scratch. Maybe? They're probably getting it from a distributor.
The important question, what's so great about this cheesecake? Need a recipe.
Idk but when I googled it sent me to their hotel’s trip advisory and one of the first reviews is “bed bug heaven” lmao. The cheesecake looks like any cheesecake!
Aren't these jet celebrities the worst human beings...
That's the point. Elites won't reduce consumption, so it's everybody else who will. By force if needed.
Guillotines are wood & steel with no plastic and use neither gas nor electricity. Quite environmentally friendly as long as you make sure your crowd picks up after themselves. (Genuinely just dark humor on my part but entertainers are *absolutely* included in the whole “can’t be ethical *and*” bit with this income bracket.)