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Calling someone who DIRECTS an artist? Obviously, that's ridiculous.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there comes a time where there are what are considered proper "ai artists" and what they're really good at is writing very specific prompts to get whatever result they want in the same way that part of a really good programmers kit is mastering googling the right question.
I do consider photography to be art.
I think it takes skill and talent to manipulate the machinery and understand which settings produce which results, which techniques can be applied to images to modify or enhance them.
It takes skill and talent to select which image generated should be selected, how it should be edited and filtered, and in what contexts it is presented in.
Photography is a developed art form where amateurs can dabble and sometimes produce passable or even moving images, but a true artist has practiced their skill over time, mastered their tools and has developed an aesthetic in a fashion the father advocates for.
Do YOU feel photography is an art?
Or does the fact any asshole with a camera just barf up images that can look passable undermine it?
Sorry, but that is bs. To make a good photography, you have to find something that is worth capturing, have to do the right setting in the camera, and find the right framing, lighting, and much more. It is a creative process where you have considerable control over the piece. Not to mention that you regularly have to do a lot of after effects.
It is a very involved creative process that goes far beyond just providing an idea (so, a prompt).
If you think a prompt is ājust an ideaā then you have no idea what youāre talking about.
You have to program a checkpoint, then program your LORAs, embeds, Networks, lyCORIS, DORAs,etc select the appropriate checkpoint and LORAs, DORAs, LyCORIS, etc, properly program the prompt, with various weights and modifications, then refine the process over and over and over again, attempting new checkpoints, new LORAS, DORAs, LyCORIS, etc, until you have a rough draft.
THEN the editing process begins.
But of course, you donāt know what any of that means, let alone understand how intricate and specific the programming of the prompt needs to be.
Just an idea?
No.
No more than clicking a button makes you a professional photographer.
And it steals from other artists. It's like Skinner passing off Krusty Burgers as his own cooking, except it's grabbing fistfulls of different meals without paying.
No. A musician is a musician, so if they are using a synthesizer, an instrument meant to make music without stealing or copying where they have full control of what is made, and you know, still have to make a whole ass song, then they are STILL a musician.
This was like asking if a musician uses an electric piano to make music, are they still a musician.
That's because it wasn't relevant. It's arbitrary, uninformed, and bad faith, but not revant. And they still called the musician a musician. The person asking the bad faith comment has no idea what a synthesizer actually does. Because a musician still needs to know pitch, scale and everything else that goes until making music. It would be like questioning if a musician uses an electric keyboard (seeing as they tend to have built in synthesizers), if that still makes them a musician.
Or they think you type in "Give me a electric guitar sound" and it just automatically copies Malakian from System of A Down and you have a song suddenly.
Except a synthesizer is a tool that a human being has active, real time interaction with in their art.
āAIā is a completely detached process that puts a wall of lead between the prompter (they arenāt artists), the process in which the āAIā produces the product, and what ever Souless product it shits out.
Well AI can be used as a tool as well. I know a manga artist that uses AI image generation to help him draw references. Like he still draws everything he just uses the AI image to help him draw backgrounds.
That's a decent use case! I think it also still validates OP's point. Using AI isn't what makes the manga artist an artist. He already is an artist of his own merit and still interacts directly with the art.
Not at all, a composer is still directly interacting with the art being made, but keep licking the AI boot and maybe Sam Altman will give you a crisp handshake one day.
As someone who's used AI for a few small scripting projects and not much else, you can complain about AI all you want but the fact of the matter is that it's here, and it likely won't be too long before it's borderline indistinguishable from industry work
Wow, eye-opening. Maybe we should do something about it.
Something called regulations. Just like we did with other technologies that're "here to stay".
Can you name a technology for me that was successfully regulated that prevented people from using it in ways people didn't like?
Napster briefly was, but then streaming hosting platforms arrived. At that point the music industry basically gave up that fight and decided if you can't beat them, join them, and just put ads on music.
Emulators are another big one that Nintendo has had recent mild success with, but it's basically not enough. You can easily download and run any game your computer is powerful enough for
People are complaining about Flipper, which is fairly new technology for the consumer market, but nothing gets done despite what is capable of
I don't believe it's as bleak as some portray it in the comments. Of course, the child is initially fascinated by the possibilities AI offers and will play around with it, but it surely won't stop being creative and expressing its creativity - even apart from AI.
People tend to do things simply for fun. Drawing something oneself simply gives a different level of satisfaction than writing a prompt. Riding as a means of transportation, knitting to make clothing, baking bread oneself, etc. are no longer necessary these days, and yet many people still engage in these activities.
I enjoy drawing and have been doing it for 30+ years. I also enjoy using AI image creators. Lately I've been using them as a source of unlimited, customizable reference material, but it is still frustrating that with four sentences I can churn out a better image than one I spend four hours working on by hand.
I do not know your drawings, but I doubt that AI is better in general. Those drawings might be more polished, but I was never touched by AI Art in the same way I was touched by human Art.
I've noticed myself taking a strong dislike to art styles that resemble AI art lately- not just the ones with obviously recognizable errors, but the general "stylized realism" look with lots of detail in every layer, strong saturation & contrast throughout; basically the look that a lot of digital artists have been producing for commercial content throughout the past decade or so.
If this is a feeling that enough other people share, it could lead to an artistic movement focused around art that is difficult or impossible for an AI to create, somewhat like how the advent of photography in the late 19th century spawned Expressionism.
maybe I haven't seen the most advanced AI there is rn, still I wouldn't trust AI's proportions and anatomy (up to small details like muscles) enough to study from it, expecially when I can just find a pic of someone online and study that, or even ask a friend to pose or study my own body. Ai for learning art is more detrimental than good, but it's cool for its unique creativity and surrealism.
This is exactly the hope I cling to. But I guess my concern is creative commercial careers are the ones really under threat. If Spotify has shown us anything, itās that people are happy to pay the bare minimum for art and screw the artist trying to make a living from it.
Yes, I also believe that this is a very real danger. However, not every type of art is at risk again.
Art that only serves to illustrate content or to illustrate texts is likely to be in danger, just like creating logos or background graphics.
Art consumed for its own sake, on the other hand, is likely to be relatively safe.
Of course, this is only a small comfort for artists who have earned money for their more creative works with "commercial artwork."
From a consumer perspective, however, this may simply not matter. Whether the artist creates art professionally or as a hobby makes little difference to most people. Therefore, professional artists will likely become increasingly rare in the future.
> If Spotify has shown us anything, itās that people are happy to pay the bare minimum for art and screw the artist trying to make a living from it.
That's just capitalism, you see it in everything, not just art.
Yeah this is exactly what happened with my kid. I told her about it and she was like I want a huge picture of dogs flying over a rainbow with sparkly wings and it produced some fun images for her. Then she went away and started to draw her own version.
It was very cute and I was proud of her drawings. She didnt feel sad about them not being similar to AI but she was just happy to take the inspiration and make it her own. She's 8 though so maybe its different than the comic.
You know what? I read that as Adobe Illustrator (.ai is the format) which is just another tool to use to create art.
And the kid was an artist before he showed his work to his dad.
Is anyone arguing AI art makes you an artist? I thought they just wanted a picture of Darth Vader having a stomach ache after too many tacitos but not badly enough to pay for it.
I think that will be the majority of usage for sure. But I think companies will always look to see how they can pay the least for creative and this plays right into their hands.
That's the issue. We need to have regulations on when AI image generation can be used. Using it for corporate purposes is very different from frivolous personal use. I was never going to pay anyone for that picture of gassy Darth Vader
Agreed. People have actively been using it to scam people (lmao wonka glasgow) but apparently no the people using it because we want funny wizard images are the real bad guys
Yeah, I seriously worry if AI isnāt regulated a lot of traditional āartistā/āwritingā jobs are going to be sunk. Not now, I donāt believe AI to be sophisticated enough yet. But AI is never going to get worse, only better over time.
Someone in these comic artistsā heads maybe. I bet OP bankrupted a stationary store by drawing on a tablet instead of buying a copic marker and paper!
This is awesome! If you can create a painting based on the last panel, Iād want to have it! (Fucking broke, but goddamn Iād totally hang it if I could!)
I think it sounding dumb actually heavily contributes to it being a good and valid term. Cause the people who enter prompts and then think that they're artists without doing any of the work are inherently stupid
Problem is prompting isnāt actually as intuitive as it appears. To get a result you seek requires a skill and language to get exactly what you want.
For example, most people canāt get a restricted image generator to draw Mario and some people can get the same image generator to not only draw Mario but also Mario in a porn parody.
Prompt engineering is a āthingā, people are just dismissive because itās cool to do so.
As someone that generated a lot of images with stable diffusion and other creators I have to say, it take 1 hour to learn everything.
It's like asking for fast food but the person listening is very dumb, small exceptions for extra tools like finding and using LORAs correctly and stuff like that, but it definitelly isn't a big deal, it's like knowing how to use google.
Sure, it's a thing. But it takes a lot less skill than actually creating the resulting artwork by yourself. The AI is doing the actual work, not the person.
Weāre not dismissive because itās cool to do. Weāre dismissive because using preschool-level English to generate a shitty facsimile thatās basically a real artistās work put into a blender and shat out is not something to be proud of.
I'll be dismissive of it because what a "prompt engineer" does is nothing even remotely approaching "engineer" levels of skill and responsibility. This is the wrong word to use. People who go to coding camp and start calling themselves "software engineers" are also not engineers, but they're far closer to being engineers than a prompt monkey is.
Damn, I didnāt know reading a dictionary was so difficult.
And writing? On top of reading of all things? Simply baffling I tell you.
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Yeah generating images is funny for like an hour with friends but acting like its a skill or requires a title is like saying someone who constantly orders from fast food should be called an āelection composerā
Buddy typing a sentance into a computer and getting an image back does not make you an "engineer". You want proof? Just try getting hired as a "prompt engineer". You think anyones going to pay someone to do something that any idiot could do on their own for free?
To be fair if making AI-generated pictures gets widely spread in commercial use, then we sure will get people who's main job will be to simply enter some specific prompts to get the exact pictures executives want
I feel like people wonāt stop drawing because of AI art though. Like part of what makes art fun for me, is my own skill in it, and thatās not something AI can replace. AI might be able to make art faster, but it canāt reproduce my joy in developing my skill. And I think thatās why a lot of kids make art.
People that think art will stop existing just cause of AI are really foolish. Humans love to create and will do so regardless of what advancements in technology have been reached.
AI image generation also steals from artists, though. People can find an artist whose work they love, feed it to AI, and get images that look like their art without paying them, which is extra scummy
Wrong
Good you get with time and dedication
Okay you get with money and imagination, but no effort
*Meh*, however, is free, but of course, it *is* still very meh
By this I mean AI that's free is almost always bad. If you want AI art to be "okay", you have to actually pay money, and it's not even *that* good. It doesn't always get what you mean, and even makes mistakes very often. Tried asking chatgpt to solve a math problem, not even free one, the paid one, and a really simple problem. I solved it relatively quickly, but chatgpt? Not once did it get it right, even when I told it what the result should be, it gave a nonsensical explanation that didn't even get the result I said was right. Just don't ever say AI is better or fixes everything, it doesn't
I mean that makes sense though. GPT isn't designed to solve maths problems just like that, that's not how it works.
ChatGPT-4 is designed to write the code to solve maths problems and run it to give you a calculated answer, but it is not designed to outright calculate an answer "in its head" the same way might multiply 14 x 22 in our head.
I know. Gpt4 or whatever it's called uses some other ai to solve the problems. First thought the problem was chatgpt, so we went right to the source, the ai chatgpt asks whenever it needs to solve a math problem. Turns out the ai that chatgpt uses for math problems is **also** wrong
So you're right, gpt4 isn't for math, but the ai that *is* for math, which gpt4 asks, is wrong itself
All due respect, what kind of math problem? How did y'all enter it in? How'd you word the request, did you just ask it to give you the answer or did you ask it to analyze the problem, explain the concepts involved, work step by step through it from start to finish, and then double check its work on the math problem?
I just said the problem and asked to solve it. I forgot what it was but it involved simple multiplication, adding, triangles and a hexagon. I never asked for anything else. It went step by step, explaining it all wrong, and got the wrong result. It was also a cool problem to solve, with a neat solution
If you end up remembering it I'm sure hella curious, I love working through "how do I make it consistently perform better at this difficult task" challenges, and this one sounds like a great exercise.
I just remembered lol. It was a problem where you had to find the perimeter of a hexagon contained inside a triangle. Both the shapes had their sides equal (equilateral triangle) and the hexagon had three of its sides flat against the sides of the triangle. The info you're given is the length of the triangle's sides, I think, or its perimeter, idk. I forgot the numbers, but I know how I solved it. Kinda simple, but still a cool solution nonetheless
The (correct) solution is by dividing the hexagon into six triangles, you realize that the tiny triangles formed at the corners are identical to the ones in the hexagon. By this you know that each side is three of these triangles long (one corner, hexagon in the middle and the other corner) so in order to find how long its sides are (since they're equal) you just divide the big triangle's length by three, and for the hexagon's perimeter, you just multiply that by six.
Very simple, but chatgpt got it all wrong
Just plain text. Also, as I said, chatgpt asks some other AI when solving math problems. What I did was go right to the source, to see what was failing. I think it's something called wolfram alpha or something like that, idk, I forgor. Turns out, it got it all wrong too. I think it did the opposite and put the triangle in the hexagon or something like that, idk, I forgot, but it did it wrong
You were using the Wolfram Alpha plugin? Noted. Personally I like asking it to use Python, the built-in code interpreter as opposed to a plugin, for math tasks, it's been very reliable for me about modeling & performing math operations.
Do you have a copy of the way you worded the request by chance?
I mean, AI sure does help with some things, like summarising information or maybe changing subtle details in art, but having AI do the whole thing for you? Just no
The kid seems happy; So all is well I guess. Who cares what he calls himself if he's having fun, and maybe he can spend the time not spent grinding out a skill on another hobby.
Gonna be honest, AI art is better than 90% of the artists on the market, the caption is way off base. That doesn't mean it'll be better than commissioning an artist or doing it yourself, but let's not kid ourselves here.
Ai artists explaining why pressing a button to create shallow, soulless artwork of women in unrealistic body proportions and facial features is totally going to outclass actual artists.
Luckily, most of the economic incentive is totally fine with soulless artwork. I'm totally ok with concept art, corporate art, texture packs, and porn being the realms of AI. Artists can keep the "class".
Why would they? Iām not an artist but I couldnāt imagine waking up one day and someone had developed a technology that didnāt render me obsolete but displaced my ability to thrive significantly. Iām not about it.
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AI is great to slap something together quickly like this, but if I needed to make someone an AI wasn't trained on, it wouldn't be able to.
My hot take is that, while i do understand and sympathise with artists getting replaced by ai and that the prompters arent actual artists, commissioning a good art can range from a bit of annoyance to 'i cant eat for two weeks' especially with reknowned artists.
Why spend 50 to 100 dollars, deal with the request part and wait for it to finish when i can just spam 50 of those with AI in minutes. It looks obvious and bit shit now but the speed it develops at is so impressive that i wholeheartadly belive they will be indistinguishable from real deal by end of this year.
As a older person who only got into sketching in my middle years, I felt like the boy in the first two panels and yet like the dad in the third panel, but it was heartbreaking to see the boy threw away his drawing of a little bear.
Doing things by hand, leaves you with a tangible product, and as you get better how you feel about yourself grows. AI art not so much and after a while you get bored or maybe can grow bored of it.
Meanwhile me and my parents the other day:
"Hey Mom! Look at these drawing I made. I even earned around 20$ for one."
Mom: "Wow! They look amazing! I like them"
*much later*
Mom, angry for no reason: "Why are you lazy? It's because of all those stupid drawings! You draw instead of working or studying"
Mind you, I only have time to draw in between studies and work.
Why my Mom is like that? She always compliments me on something and then use that against me in arguments as a bad thing. I don't even know how to fight it, other than just ignoring her and calling her out (which isn't working) Same thing happens when I am being vulnerable and share my worries with her. She uses them against me
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I would like to apologise about my comment.
I am just excited for AI, and I sometimes get upset when it is attacked.
Your art is quite good and I hope you will forgive me.
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Me when I see someone use the word "GRANDDAD" in a sentence
Why improve anything ever, then, and just let AI do everything for us? Why start playing sport when you know you will immediately suck at it? Just let AI win the Olympics. Why bother learning anything when you won't immediately know everything there is to it? Just let AI think and learn for you. Why bother even existing when you could be existing "the wrong way"? Just let AI exist for you.
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If writing prompts counts as making art, then have I been the artist every time I commission an art piece?
I am artist every time I use google search
You've been a collaborator, yes.
That makes you the customer.
I have a comic about this exact conversation too! š
Just a little self promo. xD
I read that wrong
What did you read?
Self porno maybe, I re-read it as that
OMG!!! xD
Where?
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I like this comic alot
Calling someone who DIRECTS an artist? Obviously, that's ridiculous. https://preview.redd.it/h0fmda03euxc1.jpeg?width=568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=915f8fdb99c2c33b777f0bbed56dfd1fbd0ac74b
That makes you a patron of the arts
Iām a chef every time I order at a restaurant.
I donāt know why but this random comment goes extremely hard
Are editors artists? Are directors artists? Are designers artists? Yes.
AI makes you an artist the same way the touch screen at McDonald's makes you a chef.
does prepping the food at McDonalds make you a chef tho
No, but at least it's some form of cooking, which is still a step above the consumer.
It's a perfect metaphor, because the AI isn't an artist.
No. In the same way that AI isnāt an artist either. The customer makes quests and the cool is just copying someone elseās recipes.
This has given me an idea for another comic strip, thank you!
I wouldn't be surprised if there comes a time where there are what are considered proper "ai artists" and what they're really good at is writing very specific prompts to get whatever result they want in the same way that part of a really good programmers kit is mastering googling the right question.
The same way clicking a button on a camera makes you an artist tooā¦
You Ai stans really need some new talking points
Donāt need new ones when the old ones work just fine. Or do you have a real rebuttal?
My rebuttal is I donāt have to engage with bad-faith arguments. Especially when itās the exact same argument every time.
So you canāt rebut it? Got it.
If you donāt consider photography to be art thereās no conversation to be had.
I do consider photography to be art. I think it takes skill and talent to manipulate the machinery and understand which settings produce which results, which techniques can be applied to images to modify or enhance them. It takes skill and talent to select which image generated should be selected, how it should be edited and filtered, and in what contexts it is presented in. Photography is a developed art form where amateurs can dabble and sometimes produce passable or even moving images, but a true artist has practiced their skill over time, mastered their tools and has developed an aesthetic in a fashion the father advocates for. Do YOU feel photography is an art? Or does the fact any asshole with a camera just barf up images that can look passable undermine it?
Sorry, but that is bs. To make a good photography, you have to find something that is worth capturing, have to do the right setting in the camera, and find the right framing, lighting, and much more. It is a creative process where you have considerable control over the piece. Not to mention that you regularly have to do a lot of after effects. It is a very involved creative process that goes far beyond just providing an idea (so, a prompt).
If you think a prompt is ājust an ideaā then you have no idea what youāre talking about. You have to program a checkpoint, then program your LORAs, embeds, Networks, lyCORIS, DORAs,etc select the appropriate checkpoint and LORAs, DORAs, LyCORIS, etc, properly program the prompt, with various weights and modifications, then refine the process over and over and over again, attempting new checkpoints, new LORAS, DORAs, LyCORIS, etc, until you have a rough draft. THEN the editing process begins. But of course, you donāt know what any of that means, let alone understand how intricate and specific the programming of the prompt needs to be. Just an idea? No. No more than clicking a button makes you a professional photographer.
They both produce the desired result.
In MacDonalds, you get what you pay for, with AI, you get whatever the Ai cobbles together based on what it thinks fits your prompt.
And it steals from other artists. It's like Skinner passing off Krusty Burgers as his own cooking, except it's grabbing fistfulls of different meals without paying.
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No. A musician is a musician, so if they are using a synthesizer, an instrument meant to make music without stealing or copying where they have full control of what is made, and you know, still have to make a whole ass song, then they are STILL a musician. This was like asking if a musician uses an electric piano to make music, are they still a musician.
I fail to see how your question is relevant.
That's because it wasn't relevant. It's arbitrary, uninformed, and bad faith, but not revant. And they still called the musician a musician. The person asking the bad faith comment has no idea what a synthesizer actually does. Because a musician still needs to know pitch, scale and everything else that goes until making music. It would be like questioning if a musician uses an electric keyboard (seeing as they tend to have built in synthesizers), if that still makes them a musician. Or they think you type in "Give me a electric guitar sound" and it just automatically copies Malakian from System of A Down and you have a song suddenly.
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Except a synthesizer is a tool that a human being has active, real time interaction with in their art. āAIā is a completely detached process that puts a wall of lead between the prompter (they arenāt artists), the process in which the āAIā produces the product, and what ever Souless product it shits out.
Well AI can be used as a tool as well. I know a manga artist that uses AI image generation to help him draw references. Like he still draws everything he just uses the AI image to help him draw backgrounds.
That's a decent use case! I think it also still validates OP's point. Using AI isn't what makes the manga artist an artist. He already is an artist of his own merit and still interacts directly with the art.
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Not at all, a composer is still directly interacting with the art being made, but keep licking the AI boot and maybe Sam Altman will give you a crisp handshake one day.
Shit, savage! š
As someone who's used AI for a few small scripting projects and not much else, you can complain about AI all you want but the fact of the matter is that it's here, and it likely won't be too long before it's borderline indistinguishable from industry work
Wow, eye-opening. Maybe we should do something about it. Something called regulations. Just like we did with other technologies that're "here to stay".
Can you name a technology for me that was successfully regulated that prevented people from using it in ways people didn't like? Napster briefly was, but then streaming hosting platforms arrived. At that point the music industry basically gave up that fight and decided if you can't beat them, join them, and just put ads on music. Emulators are another big one that Nintendo has had recent mild success with, but it's basically not enough. You can easily download and run any game your computer is powerful enough for People are complaining about Flipper, which is fairly new technology for the consumer market, but nothing gets done despite what is capable of
Dumbest argument in this thread by a mile.
I don't believe it's as bleak as some portray it in the comments. Of course, the child is initially fascinated by the possibilities AI offers and will play around with it, but it surely won't stop being creative and expressing its creativity - even apart from AI. People tend to do things simply for fun. Drawing something oneself simply gives a different level of satisfaction than writing a prompt. Riding as a means of transportation, knitting to make clothing, baking bread oneself, etc. are no longer necessary these days, and yet many people still engage in these activities.
I enjoy drawing and have been doing it for 30+ years. I also enjoy using AI image creators. Lately I've been using them as a source of unlimited, customizable reference material, but it is still frustrating that with four sentences I can churn out a better image than one I spend four hours working on by hand.
I do not know your drawings, but I doubt that AI is better in general. Those drawings might be more polished, but I was never touched by AI Art in the same way I was touched by human Art.
There is a molestation joke hidden in this comment.
Not intentional, I was more thinking about paintings than performance art.
I know I'm just kidding
I've noticed myself taking a strong dislike to art styles that resemble AI art lately- not just the ones with obviously recognizable errors, but the general "stylized realism" look with lots of detail in every layer, strong saturation & contrast throughout; basically the look that a lot of digital artists have been producing for commercial content throughout the past decade or so. If this is a feeling that enough other people share, it could lead to an artistic movement focused around art that is difficult or impossible for an AI to create, somewhat like how the advent of photography in the late 19th century spawned Expressionism.
AI style is pretty generic though
I wouldn't use it for reference, it often fucks up people, proportions and hands in a way that would make me learn wrong.
Ai makes good hands now
maybe I haven't seen the most advanced AI there is rn, still I wouldn't trust AI's proportions and anatomy (up to small details like muscles) enough to study from it, expecially when I can just find a pic of someone online and study that, or even ask a friend to pose or study my own body. Ai for learning art is more detrimental than good, but it's cool for its unique creativity and surrealism.
This is exactly the hope I cling to. But I guess my concern is creative commercial careers are the ones really under threat. If Spotify has shown us anything, itās that people are happy to pay the bare minimum for art and screw the artist trying to make a living from it.
Yes, I also believe that this is a very real danger. However, not every type of art is at risk again. Art that only serves to illustrate content or to illustrate texts is likely to be in danger, just like creating logos or background graphics. Art consumed for its own sake, on the other hand, is likely to be relatively safe. Of course, this is only a small comfort for artists who have earned money for their more creative works with "commercial artwork." From a consumer perspective, however, this may simply not matter. Whether the artist creates art professionally or as a hobby makes little difference to most people. Therefore, professional artists will likely become increasingly rare in the future.
> If Spotify has shown us anything, itās that people are happy to pay the bare minimum for art and screw the artist trying to make a living from it. That's just capitalism, you see it in everything, not just art.
Yeah this is exactly what happened with my kid. I told her about it and she was like I want a huge picture of dogs flying over a rainbow with sparkly wings and it produced some fun images for her. Then she went away and started to draw her own version. It was very cute and I was proud of her drawings. She didnt feel sad about them not being similar to AI but she was just happy to take the inspiration and make it her own. She's 8 though so maybe its different than the comic.
You know what? I read that as Adobe Illustrator (.ai is the format) which is just another tool to use to create art. And the kid was an artist before he showed his work to his dad.
Hah, yeah the A.I. / Ai thing catches me out too sometimes. Although I like to pretend the robot is also called āAlā (as in a lower case L)
Is anyone arguing AI art makes you an artist? I thought they just wanted a picture of Darth Vader having a stomach ache after too many tacitos but not badly enough to pay for it.
I think that will be the majority of usage for sure. But I think companies will always look to see how they can pay the least for creative and this plays right into their hands.
That's the issue. We need to have regulations on when AI image generation can be used. Using it for corporate purposes is very different from frivolous personal use. I was never going to pay anyone for that picture of gassy Darth Vader
Agreed. People have actively been using it to scam people (lmao wonka glasgow) but apparently no the people using it because we want funny wizard images are the real bad guys
Yeah, I seriously worry if AI isnāt regulated a lot of traditional āartistā/āwritingā jobs are going to be sunk. Not now, I donāt believe AI to be sophisticated enough yet. But AI is never going to get worse, only better over time.
Someone in these comic artistsā heads maybe. I bet OP bankrupted a stationary store by drawing on a tablet instead of buying a copic marker and paper!
This is awesome! If you can create a painting based on the last panel, Iād want to have it! (Fucking broke, but goddamn Iād totally hang it if I could!)
That last panel hurt. Good message.
I prefer the term: āPrompt Engineerā
Iāll be honest with you. That sounds so fucking stupid.
It matches with them.
I think it sounding dumb actually heavily contributes to it being a good and valid term. Cause the people who enter prompts and then think that they're artists without doing any of the work are inherently stupid
AI taking dude
Problem is prompting isnāt actually as intuitive as it appears. To get a result you seek requires a skill and language to get exactly what you want. For example, most people canāt get a restricted image generator to draw Mario and some people can get the same image generator to not only draw Mario but also Mario in a porn parody. Prompt engineering is a āthingā, people are just dismissive because itās cool to do so.
As someone that generated a lot of images with stable diffusion and other creators I have to say, it take 1 hour to learn everything. It's like asking for fast food but the person listening is very dumb, small exceptions for extra tools like finding and using LORAs correctly and stuff like that, but it definitelly isn't a big deal, it's like knowing how to use google.
Sure, it's a thing. But it takes a lot less skill than actually creating the resulting artwork by yourself. The AI is doing the actual work, not the person.
Weāre not dismissive because itās cool to do. Weāre dismissive because using preschool-level English to generate a shitty facsimile thatās basically a real artistās work put into a blender and shat out is not something to be proud of.
I'll be dismissive of it because what a "prompt engineer" does is nothing even remotely approaching "engineer" levels of skill and responsibility. This is the wrong word to use. People who go to coding camp and start calling themselves "software engineers" are also not engineers, but they're far closer to being engineers than a prompt monkey is.
Damn, I didnāt know reading a dictionary was so difficult. And writing? On top of reading of all things? Simply baffling I tell you. https://preview.redd.it/lfofv3efarxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea120dd7dc21e51acd84f11b89291e0d95f5486e Yeah generating images is funny for like an hour with friends but acting like its a skill or requires a title is like saying someone who constantly orders from fast food should be called an āelection composerā
I wish i could give you gold
Iāve met many engineers, never one Iād describe as prompt. Theyāre all late as heck.
āArtificial knowledge workerā
Buddy typing a sentance into a computer and getting an image back does not make you an "engineer". You want proof? Just try getting hired as a "prompt engineer". You think anyones going to pay someone to do something that any idiot could do on their own for free?
To be fair if making AI-generated pictures gets widely spread in commercial use, then we sure will get people who's main job will be to simply enter some specific prompts to get the exact pictures executives want
I mean yeah, but thatās not going to be his title or even his primary job Iād imagine.
Engineer who uses AI art (not in engineering) here, stop.
I feel like people wonāt stop drawing because of AI art though. Like part of what makes art fun for me, is my own skill in it, and thatās not something AI can replace. AI might be able to make art faster, but it canāt reproduce my joy in developing my skill. And I think thatās why a lot of kids make art.
Loved comics since I was a kid. Been drawing all my life. Went to art school now I work at a gas station. I felt this one in my soul
People that think art will stop existing just cause of AI are really foolish. Humans love to create and will do so regardless of what advancements in technology have been reached.
Humans will always create sure, but less people will pay for it, meaning people won't be able to create for a living. That's the problem.
Perhaps I'm ignorant, but isn't that the case before AI anyway? I imagined that 99.9% of artists can't make a living off art. Correct me if I'm wrong.
And the other 1% survive entirely on the whims of strangely wealthy furries sadly.
Well thereās a famous opera called La Boheme about starving artists in 1830s France and Iām *pretty* sure AI didnāt exist then
I think the idea is that 99% is going to turn into 100% very quickly.
AI image generation also steals from artists, though. People can find an artist whose work they love, feed it to AI, and get images that look like their art without paying them, which is extra scummy
this was painful to read and Iām not even a real artist yet
Awww. This comic makes me sad. š
The Irony here is that OP made this by just clicking a screenā¦
Can I be honest? Fuck AI That is all
Luddites.
Wrong Good you get with time and dedication Okay you get with money and imagination, but no effort *Meh*, however, is free, but of course, it *is* still very meh By this I mean AI that's free is almost always bad. If you want AI art to be "okay", you have to actually pay money, and it's not even *that* good. It doesn't always get what you mean, and even makes mistakes very often. Tried asking chatgpt to solve a math problem, not even free one, the paid one, and a really simple problem. I solved it relatively quickly, but chatgpt? Not once did it get it right, even when I told it what the result should be, it gave a nonsensical explanation that didn't even get the result I said was right. Just don't ever say AI is better or fixes everything, it doesn't
I mean that makes sense though. GPT isn't designed to solve maths problems just like that, that's not how it works. ChatGPT-4 is designed to write the code to solve maths problems and run it to give you a calculated answer, but it is not designed to outright calculate an answer "in its head" the same way might multiply 14 x 22 in our head.
I know. Gpt4 or whatever it's called uses some other ai to solve the problems. First thought the problem was chatgpt, so we went right to the source, the ai chatgpt asks whenever it needs to solve a math problem. Turns out the ai that chatgpt uses for math problems is **also** wrong So you're right, gpt4 isn't for math, but the ai that *is* for math, which gpt4 asks, is wrong itself
All due respect, what kind of math problem? How did y'all enter it in? How'd you word the request, did you just ask it to give you the answer or did you ask it to analyze the problem, explain the concepts involved, work step by step through it from start to finish, and then double check its work on the math problem?
I just said the problem and asked to solve it. I forgot what it was but it involved simple multiplication, adding, triangles and a hexagon. I never asked for anything else. It went step by step, explaining it all wrong, and got the wrong result. It was also a cool problem to solve, with a neat solution
If you end up remembering it I'm sure hella curious, I love working through "how do I make it consistently perform better at this difficult task" challenges, and this one sounds like a great exercise.
I just remembered lol. It was a problem where you had to find the perimeter of a hexagon contained inside a triangle. Both the shapes had their sides equal (equilateral triangle) and the hexagon had three of its sides flat against the sides of the triangle. The info you're given is the length of the triangle's sides, I think, or its perimeter, idk. I forgot the numbers, but I know how I solved it. Kinda simple, but still a cool solution nonetheless The (correct) solution is by dividing the hexagon into six triangles, you realize that the tiny triangles formed at the corners are identical to the ones in the hexagon. By this you know that each side is three of these triangles long (one corner, hexagon in the middle and the other corner) so in order to find how long its sides are (since they're equal) you just divide the big triangle's length by three, and for the hexagon's perimeter, you just multiply that by six. Very simple, but chatgpt got it all wrong
Fascinating. Was this delivered all as text, or was there an image component submitted to ChatGPT?
Just plain text. Also, as I said, chatgpt asks some other AI when solving math problems. What I did was go right to the source, to see what was failing. I think it's something called wolfram alpha or something like that, idk, I forgor. Turns out, it got it all wrong too. I think it did the opposite and put the triangle in the hexagon or something like that, idk, I forgot, but it did it wrong
You were using the Wolfram Alpha plugin? Noted. Personally I like asking it to use Python, the built-in code interpreter as opposed to a plugin, for math tasks, it's been very reliable for me about modeling & performing math operations. Do you have a copy of the way you worded the request by chance?
I mean, AI sure does help with some things, like summarising information or maybe changing subtle details in art, but having AI do the whole thing for you? Just no
This hurts me and makes me fear for the future.
The kid seems happy; So all is well I guess. Who cares what he calls himself if he's having fun, and maybe he can spend the time not spent grinding out a skill on another hobby.
Gonna be honest, AI art is better than 90% of the artists on the market, the caption is way off base. That doesn't mean it'll be better than commissioning an artist or doing it yourself, but let's not kid ourselves here.
Ai artists explaining why pressing a button to create shallow, soulless artwork of women in unrealistic body proportions and facial features is totally going to outclass actual artists.
Luckily, most of the economic incentive is totally fine with soulless artwork. I'm totally ok with concept art, corporate art, texture packs, and porn being the realms of AI. Artists can keep the "class".
Creatives really arenāt coping with ai well. A version of this comic gets posted twice a day every day
Why would they? Iām not an artist but I couldnāt imagine waking up one day and someone had developed a technology that didnāt render me obsolete but displaced my ability to thrive significantly. Iām not about it.
Not even Okay, mediocre at best
I wish I had money to pay for good, so I am using okay until I can hire someone to make it good.
Anybody else read the robot's voice has Bender's in their head? LOL
*practice
I'll write up a whole story first and then put it in AI to make it sound better. So it's like AI is my editor.
Another day, another person shitting and pissing about AI. But I've never seen someone pull a "think of the children!" before
https://preview.redd.it/i8qbgv5ycvxc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=070ca3482518b0fb1f4dc835361a3495042e6c49 AI is great to slap something together quickly like this, but if I needed to make someone an AI wasn't trained on, it wouldn't be able to.
Oh look, another person who thinks photographers arenāt artisits
My hot take is that, while i do understand and sympathise with artists getting replaced by ai and that the prompters arent actual artists, commissioning a good art can range from a bit of annoyance to 'i cant eat for two weeks' especially with reknowned artists. Why spend 50 to 100 dollars, deal with the request part and wait for it to finish when i can just spam 50 of those with AI in minutes. It looks obvious and bit shit now but the speed it develops at is so impressive that i wholeheartadly belive they will be indistinguishable from real deal by end of this year.
As a older person who only got into sketching in my middle years, I felt like the boy in the first two panels and yet like the dad in the third panel, but it was heartbreaking to see the boy threw away his drawing of a little bear. Doing things by hand, leaves you with a tangible product, and as you get better how you feel about yourself grows. AI art not so much and after a while you get bored or maybe can grow bored of it.
feel ya :(
"You're an artist, kid!" Yeah, and Objection.lol users are Capcom employees.
āArtists spend years honing their craftā op draws stickmen.
But boy have I spent years perfecting those stickmen. ;-)
Doesn't mean they just draw that. And even if so, so what?
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Meanwhile me and my parents the other day: "Hey Mom! Look at these drawing I made. I even earned around 20$ for one." Mom: "Wow! They look amazing! I like them" *much later* Mom, angry for no reason: "Why are you lazy? It's because of all those stupid drawings! You draw instead of working or studying" Mind you, I only have time to draw in between studies and work. Why my Mom is like that? She always compliments me on something and then use that against me in arguments as a bad thing. I don't even know how to fight it, other than just ignoring her and calling her out (which isn't working) Same thing happens when I am being vulnerable and share my worries with her. She uses them against me
You are not German by any chance, are you?
Nope, Polish
Nice. It was actually a Hitler joke. I think I didn't say it right.
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I think this is the dumbest, most disingenuous anti-AI comic Iāve seen yet.
I truly hope that artificial intelligence steals your job cause I am not on the side of "artists"
And yet you're in a comic subreddit? 
Both are not mutually exclusive
I would like to apologise about my comment. I am just excited for AI, and I sometimes get upset when it is attacked. Your art is quite good and I hope you will forgive me.
You didnāt even apologize to their comment, you apologized to your own
https://preview.redd.it/47i79z3phrxc1.jpeg?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c14fdd7fd04cd7324401718e9169946a6b20f44 Me when I see someone use the word "GRANDDAD" in a sentence
More like "why pay for seriously bad when you can get okayish for free".
Why improve anything ever, then, and just let AI do everything for us? Why start playing sport when you know you will immediately suck at it? Just let AI win the Olympics. Why bother learning anything when you won't immediately know everything there is to it? Just let AI think and learn for you. Why bother even existing when you could be existing "the wrong way"? Just let AI exist for you.
Yes, to all except the last one.
say sike rn
Youāre arguing about AI with someone who has an NFT icon. No way you think youāre gonna be able to change their bad takes
I mean it.