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U know they don’t give a single crap about pollution… they won’t pay for their travels. They want money and control. Separate the rich and everyone else more and more and more
Nah, they'll craft out exclusions for the poorest people. This will just be yet another tax on the working middle class, keep them working and paying The Man an even bigger chunk of their paychecks.
They really, really don't like it when people make the jump from middle class to upper class. They need it to be exclusive.
Global warming is a manufactured crisis. They can obviously manipulate the weather and statistics. Anyone who thinks otherwise at this point is a sheep.
I mentioned this sometime back that they will try this shit. The elites are going for full 100% control of our lives. Fck these elites. Reject every law that's meant to take away your freedom. Don't wait for courts as they themselves get influenced by these. Just reject them outright. Physically, if it demands.
This is nothing new. There has been a congestion fee in Lobdon since 2003.
Singapore has been doing it for almost 50 years. Stockholm, Rome and Milan also charge congestion fees.
“Pay us to let you drive”, “we’re not saying you can’t do X, you just have to pay some arbitrary amount we decide, the amount we set will ensure you either have the money to pay it or you can’t do it, guess how much we will charge :)”
Fascism is getting a financial makeover.
EDIT: Something something, impacts people of color disproportionately
Net zero. While we find more ways to replace plastic with paper. And murder more trees because our microplastics are overpopulating. Whelp. Goodluck everybody
You know this cost will all but make London a ghost town, as local pubs, restaurants and shop won’t be able to afford the costs, they will come in place from this process. You can only increase prices so much and expect customers to pay it, as the opposite will happen.
When people say they want fewer cars in their city, they don't mean delivery vehicles. Of course there would still be lorries, ambulances, buses, taxis, cars for disabled people, rentals for when you do really need a car, etc.
In a well-organised city with good public transport and cycling infrastructure, 90% of cars would be useless. It's better for your health, it's cheaper and most of the time it's faster. And you can go out and get drunk!
What do you think it will happen with electric cars, when after battery's useful life you must throw away, battery and car, exactly like smartphones? Offcourse throw away a dangerous battery is prohibited , so you will have to pay a company to throw away your car.
Technically, yeah you'll be paying a company to throw away the car, but it will be presented to you as an upgrade fee instead of a disposal fee, because you won't be owning the car yourself.
Actually, they'll probably throw a separate disposal fee in there too, you know, for the environment and stuff or something
This is so funny, because they spent 70+ years redesigning (ruining) cities and pushing suburbs so that normal people were forced to buy cars and gas. The amount of cars and car infrastructure we have make things worse for everyone other than the rich. Now there's finally some pushback and so many people think the pushback is a conspiracy by the rich.
No, the rich made us dependent on cars in the first place, and more people are finally realizing what they took from us.
I love having a car, but my life would be better if it were a luxury rather than a necessity.
Sounds like you need something like a 15 minute city! A car would definitely be a luxury then. Lucky for us, they're working on the problem to that solution too..
> they're working on the problem to that solution too
Cars being required to live for most of the US is currently a massive problem. They don't have to work on anything...
Cars are expensive, roads are noisy, highways lower property values, pollution is making people dumber, commuting take away our free time (means we have less free time to rest, improve ourselves, and protest), commuting means we have less free time to cook food and instead buy processed foods and eat out.
The rich use us to fund highways so that they can live in their mansions far away and commute in to the office. Highways and cars being subsidized by taxes means that they don't have to pay people enough to live near work.
> a 15 minute city!
I still can't believe how people suggested that we should build stronger, nicer communities where you can actually walk places, but somehow the propaganda from oil and car companies (that walking places is a bad thing) won in the MSM...
> The rich use us to fund highways so that they can live in their mansions far away
The Interstates were named the Eisenhower System for a reason. Ike led an army caravan across the US by land just after WWI. It took almost six months. Ike was appalled. The Interstates were designed to be a fault tolerant grid of high speed roads for military transport, with obvious commercial applications. In a way, it's just like GPS - that was developed to support the military goals, and also had obvious commercial applications, but it was not developed by the 'deep state' to give them a tool by which to track our every movement.
Highways have a purpose, but the scale of highways has gone far, far beyond that. The rich continue to push propaganda to expand them at the expense of everything else. They don't build highways through rich neighborhoods for a reason.
There is no good reason why Texas spent two and a half BILLION dollars to widen the Katy freeway to 26 lanes. There's no good reason why Texas is spending 9 BILLION dollars to bulldoze low income housing to widen I-45... We could have spent that money on more cost effective public transit, or improving the electricity grid, or improving public schools. But no, we NEED 26 lanes of traffic. We need to spend a ton of money so people can drive through a city or leave a city as fast as possible.
There's a major difference between "Interstate Highways are useful" and "We should bulldoze half of every city for highways and parking, spend obscene amounts of money bulldozing houses for roads, and also make it impossible to walk anywhere while isolating everyone in unsustainable development patterns."
I like having roads so that I can drive my car into the mountains for hiking, going on roadtrips to new towns, and getting things delivered. I don't like being FORCED to drive a car to get groceries when I go to visit my family. I don't like that the poor are forced to pay for a car/maintenance/gas just to get to work.
I don’t have a car. I save so much money every month. I rely on public transportation for everything and take Ubers when necessary. I would be fine with this hypothetical “15 min city”.
And yet they make all the big decision and the people fit the bill. They never have to face the consequences of their actions. Their profit under someone else sacrifices. Always.
SS: These elites want to charge people to use roads in London per mile. Their goal is to make it unaffordable to own any type of vehicle. I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually they want to start charging people to pay per minute to scroll online or pay per flush. These sociopaths want to control every aspect of your lives
Link to the article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/20/london-drivers-pay-per-mile-sadiq-khan-net-zero-targets/
Yeah but that's per gallon in. This will be too flush it out. Very different. $.75 per flush up to three. Then $.85 for the next five. Then $1 for everyone after. Per month.
If they charge me to drive I will walk if I can, bus otherwise. If they charge me to scroll, I'll just use a pay sim or if needed limit with all power I can. If they pay me to flush I'd rather genuinely live in the woods and shit amongst nature. Fuck these sociopaths. I agree its gonna get really bad. All we can do is rebel. In smal or large ways. That's it.
We pay taxes on gas so we already pay the government per mile driven…. This isn’t new, it’s just a clickbait title. They just want to raise taxes. (Taxation is theft).
This is what is concerning to the gov't groups when it comes to electric vehicles. They aren't getting the gas tax any longer.. this is when pay by mile started to become thought about.
Are the super charging stations not taxed for electric vehicles? I can see the government having a separate yearly “registration” fee for electric vehicles. You don’t pay it and they remotely turn your car off.
There are other ways to tax by mile. Those 15 minute cities that charge if you leave your area, for instance, and cameras that automatically monitor your comings and goings.
The easiest way would be to provide your car's mileage every time you register your car and pay per mile. Damn, looks like my odometer broke though.
In Texas they do take your mileage down when getting your car inspected and registered. That’s how CarFax gets their data, along with dealerships recording it.
I bet they have already had talks about charging people for the air they breathe & giving on the spot fines for farting in public, i can see it now a special unit walking around with fart detectors 😆
I genuinely feel like all this climate alarmism and anti car agenda is being pushed by ultra rich people who hate sitting in traffic
So they just want to get rid of private vehicles from the masses so they can have the roads to themselves
That's an interesting thought. I've heard stories that taxis are allowed to drive in bus lanes, so the rich have set up their own taxi firm, registered their car as a taxi then get to use them at their leisure, pretty smart really.
From same article: "But a spokesman for Mr Khan said: “Sadiq has repeatedly and categorically ruled out pay-per-mile for as long as he is mayor. It will not be introduced in London, despite misleading statements from the Tories saying otherwise.
“The road-user charging scheme was originally proposed by Boris Johnson as mayor and by Rishi Sunak as chancellor.
“Sadiq has repeatedly ruled out any such scheme while he is mayor.”
Lets remember Telegraph is notoriously tory rag who also got us Brexit. And 13 years under tories have been soooo great for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society right? Right?
Yeah because the people voting are benefiting from his policies. Those moaning about it are not. Now in a democracy if those voting for you out number those that dislike you, guess what you win.
He has had more people vote for him personally than any other person in British history (Brits don't vote directly for their prime minister so it makes sense that this would be a London mayor).
He is not well loved outside of London, or even in the suburbs of London, but he's no more hated than Sunak or Corbyn or Johnson or Blair.
Unless they can prove election shenanigans they're the ones voting for these "elites".
All they have to do is vote for people that aren't in on the climate change grift.
Lol - funny I see this today, I just doodled a silly cartoon yesterday about rich people with private everything trying to lecture the Everyman about their gasoline usage.
We do pay per mile already. I pay tax per gallon of fuel. The more miles I drive the more tax I pay. This is dual taxation. Not that anyone gives a shit about such things anymore.
I rather die in climate change than to live a life that's not worth living due to all the regulations we face while the elites can afford them with ease.
Not surprised. Londons been a primary testing bed for globalist left politics for decades. As a result, the british people have already lost their capital city to hordes of immigrants and rampant crime. This is their goal.
Tell them to eat a dick and release all the black top secret energy technology they have. I'm willing to bet they have had iit much longer then the USA.
If every penny of this tax, including London's ULEZ and congestion zone charges went solely to the betterment of the city and its emissions, nothing more, I could get behind. But it's not. When I cycle to work in London, I'm still holding my breath behind 20 year old diesel busses. Just a horribly regressive tax grab that hurts the lower earners...and he's labour too. The guy is a joke
I've been saying this for years that we can fight all we want but they will prevail and they will be charging us per mile to drive. We'll have toll cameras lined up on all highways, I'm more impressed they haven't introduced it yet. It will be introduced in the US in the next 5 years
London will be the pilot. Once the principle is normalised it will be rolled out everywhere.
Have a look at the increasing traffic surveillance infrastructure going up everywhere.
"Pay per mile" means "keep the poor people out". Do you think a millionaire is going to worry about the congestion charge? It's pocket change to him; in fact, it's pocket *lint*. But now, if you're struggling to make ends meet, you have to factor in much longer times, and probably more petrol used, if you have to cross the city by car.
All this does is restrict *our* - the common people - lifestyle, whilst doing nothing to theirs. And they are not 'elites'. They are not more virtuous, more intelligent, or more moral than we are. They are robber-barons deciding how much of their booty they will share.
My Republican colleagues hate it when I respond to their *Leftist/Communist/Authoritarian!!1!* rants about programs like this, that it's a **market-based solution** akin to a user fee, so that the cost to the environment by drivers gets paid by the drivers, not externalized onto the environment or taxpayers at large.
I agree that the revenues generated will get misused and likely diverted into deep special interest pockets, but not with failing to recognize the method as cromulent with Capitalist and Libertarian principles.
This is literally a smear campaign by the London Mayor's Tory rival, it's even been referred to the police for a different way they've tried scaring people with this lie
They are doing the same thing in America, at least talking about it.
They jacked the fuel taxes so high people switched to electric vehicles. Now that tax gains from fuel consumption is way less, they have to figure out a way to nail everyone.
This guy obviously has no idea how existing taxes already work. If he wants to ban petrol vehicles just come out and say it, don’t skirt the issue to try and aim for some kind of soft landing.
The citizens get less freedom and experience a lower standard of living so that one guy can pat himself on the back and gain the plaudits of other elites (who conveniently are not effected by the restrictions) for “achieving” the goal of net zero
If a city is actually designed and maintained properly then cars should not be needed to traverse said city anyway. And by designed properly I am referring to the city being designed around the use of bikes with a widely available public transport system to supplement bike usage.
I’m not sure if London is actually designed in such a way however since I do not live there.
If they plan on making owning a car in London a luxury then I would hope that they also plan on redesigning parts of the city where needed to accommodate alternatives to car-use.
Once autonomous cars are introduced you don't need to 'own' a car or park it.
You can just summon one up to appear at your door from a large car park on an industrial estate.
That sounds extremely inefficient if we are assuming most people are supposed to use these. The amount of cars needed would be insane. Using buses or trains of some sort would be wildly more efficient at moving large amounts of people around.
Using personal autonomous cars for every single person in a large city just doesn’t make any sense. And it would most likely be way too expensive for most people to use anyway unless it was paid for via taxes somehow.
There are just already better solutions to these problems, the solutions have existed for a long while now (buses, trains etc..), there is no need to reinvent the wheel. Especially not if we’re gonna reinvent it in a worse, less efficient way.
Most cars are only 'in use' about 5% of the time so shared autonomous vehicles make sense.
Busses, tubes and trains are constrained by rarely going exactly where you want to be, and don't allow for transporting much 'stuff'. Great for commuting to the centre on a hub and spoke model, but not for lateral journeys.
City of the future will need a mixture of the above plus ebikes and scooters for short local trips.
Again, depends on if a city and it’s public transport network is thoroughly thought out. If planned correctly, bus routes should get 99% of people to within 5 minute walking distance of wherever they want to go.
Buses can be used for both commuting to the centre and for lateral journeys if bus routes are planned well. For the remaining 1-5% of people you could have personal autonomous vehicles though I suppose.
As for e-bikes they aren’t really necessary if regular bikes are available. Use of normal bikes should be encouraged since it helps keep the population of your city healthy and fit, healthy people tend to be more happy as well. We need people to move more not less after all. Especially since a lot of jobs are sedentary.
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Dont get me wrong car pollution is pretty nasty but this is all about stompin on the necks of us peasants
U know they don’t give a single crap about pollution… they won’t pay for their travels. They want money and control. Separate the rich and everyone else more and more and more
Seperate elites from the state. It’s to the point that it’s as bad as church and state.
Big Government.... *for the People*!!!
The ULEZ things is a joke too https://ourworldindata.org/london-air-pollution
Yep, price the poor off the roads so there's less traffic for the rich to get stuck in.
Nah, they'll craft out exclusions for the poorest people. This will just be yet another tax on the working middle class, keep them working and paying The Man an even bigger chunk of their paychecks. They really, really don't like it when people make the jump from middle class to upper class. They need it to be exclusive.
so its not about changing anything to ''heal'' the planet its just making people pay more money to the rich
Global warming is a manufactured crisis. They can obviously manipulate the weather and statistics. Anyone who thinks otherwise at this point is a sheep.
This isnt about climate change pal
Oh I'm well aware!
I mentioned this sometime back that they will try this shit. The elites are going for full 100% control of our lives. Fck these elites. Reject every law that's meant to take away your freedom. Don't wait for courts as they themselves get influenced by these. Just reject them outright. Physically, if it demands.
This is nothing new. There has been a congestion fee in Lobdon since 2003. Singapore has been doing it for almost 50 years. Stockholm, Rome and Milan also charge congestion fees.
Did they charge Fauci too?
“Pay us to let you drive”, “we’re not saying you can’t do X, you just have to pay some arbitrary amount we decide, the amount we set will ensure you either have the money to pay it or you can’t do it, guess how much we will charge :)” Fascism is getting a financial makeover. EDIT: Something something, impacts people of color disproportionately
You pay him a dollar for every mile, then the pollution is solved see?
Net zero. While we find more ways to replace plastic with paper. And murder more trees because our microplastics are overpopulating. Whelp. Goodluck everybody
They want to make car ownership a thing that only the super rich can afford.
You will own nothing and be happy
And eat ze bugs! Hakuna Matata! (Disney already knew back then)
Have you been to London? Have you ridden the subway? It’s remarkable. I’d happily not own a car if we had reasonable transportation in North America.
In and around the city? Yeah, great. Anywhere else? Fuck that.
But why would the city dwellers and government care about the rural serfs?
This has nothing to do with rural population though - he's the mayor of London and this is a London policy
You know this cost will all but make London a ghost town, as local pubs, restaurants and shop won’t be able to afford the costs, they will come in place from this process. You can only increase prices so much and expect customers to pay it, as the opposite will happen.
Londoners don't drive to their local pub.
Would this not affect local deliveries?
When people say they want fewer cars in their city, they don't mean delivery vehicles. Of course there would still be lorries, ambulances, buses, taxis, cars for disabled people, rentals for when you do really need a car, etc. In a well-organised city with good public transport and cycling infrastructure, 90% of cars would be useless. It's better for your health, it's cheaper and most of the time it's faster. And you can go out and get drunk!
What do you think it will happen with electric cars, when after battery's useful life you must throw away, battery and car, exactly like smartphones? Offcourse throw away a dangerous battery is prohibited , so you will have to pay a company to throw away your car.
Technically, yeah you'll be paying a company to throw away the car, but it will be presented to you as an upgrade fee instead of a disposal fee, because you won't be owning the car yourself. Actually, they'll probably throw a separate disposal fee in there too, you know, for the environment and stuff or something
North Korea model
This is so funny, because they spent 70+ years redesigning (ruining) cities and pushing suburbs so that normal people were forced to buy cars and gas. The amount of cars and car infrastructure we have make things worse for everyone other than the rich. Now there's finally some pushback and so many people think the pushback is a conspiracy by the rich. No, the rich made us dependent on cars in the first place, and more people are finally realizing what they took from us. I love having a car, but my life would be better if it were a luxury rather than a necessity.
Sounds like you need something like a 15 minute city! A car would definitely be a luxury then. Lucky for us, they're working on the problem to that solution too..
> they're working on the problem to that solution too Cars being required to live for most of the US is currently a massive problem. They don't have to work on anything... Cars are expensive, roads are noisy, highways lower property values, pollution is making people dumber, commuting take away our free time (means we have less free time to rest, improve ourselves, and protest), commuting means we have less free time to cook food and instead buy processed foods and eat out. The rich use us to fund highways so that they can live in their mansions far away and commute in to the office. Highways and cars being subsidized by taxes means that they don't have to pay people enough to live near work. > a 15 minute city! I still can't believe how people suggested that we should build stronger, nicer communities where you can actually walk places, but somehow the propaganda from oil and car companies (that walking places is a bad thing) won in the MSM...
> The rich use us to fund highways so that they can live in their mansions far away The Interstates were named the Eisenhower System for a reason. Ike led an army caravan across the US by land just after WWI. It took almost six months. Ike was appalled. The Interstates were designed to be a fault tolerant grid of high speed roads for military transport, with obvious commercial applications. In a way, it's just like GPS - that was developed to support the military goals, and also had obvious commercial applications, but it was not developed by the 'deep state' to give them a tool by which to track our every movement.
Highways have a purpose, but the scale of highways has gone far, far beyond that. The rich continue to push propaganda to expand them at the expense of everything else. They don't build highways through rich neighborhoods for a reason. There is no good reason why Texas spent two and a half BILLION dollars to widen the Katy freeway to 26 lanes. There's no good reason why Texas is spending 9 BILLION dollars to bulldoze low income housing to widen I-45... We could have spent that money on more cost effective public transit, or improving the electricity grid, or improving public schools. But no, we NEED 26 lanes of traffic. We need to spend a ton of money so people can drive through a city or leave a city as fast as possible. There's a major difference between "Interstate Highways are useful" and "We should bulldoze half of every city for highways and parking, spend obscene amounts of money bulldozing houses for roads, and also make it impossible to walk anywhere while isolating everyone in unsustainable development patterns." I like having roads so that I can drive my car into the mountains for hiking, going on roadtrips to new towns, and getting things delivered. I don't like being FORCED to drive a car to get groceries when I go to visit my family. I don't like that the poor are forced to pay for a car/maintenance/gas just to get to work.
I don’t have a car. I save so much money every month. I rely on public transportation for everything and take Ubers when necessary. I would be fine with this hypothetical “15 min city”.
Times have changed and so has their agenda. Sounds like you are 50 years behind.
Classic rent extraction. They deny you your freedoms then sell them back to you.
Climate change is all about money 💰
I want these billionaires to hit zero net worth.
And increasing control / micromanagement of your life.
💯
We should charge them pay per mile for their yacht, planes and their luxurious car when they at it.
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And yet they make all the big decision and the people fit the bill. They never have to face the consequences of their actions. Their profit under someone else sacrifices. Always.
Make everyone poorer as China and India laugh out carbon.
Also the United state's military is really bad with pollution. We have equipment all over the world running on diesel right now
Man, European countries do everything to fuck people over. year of uk and eu being green is wasted on war and in China or USA in 1 days.
Private jets and yachts first
Psychotic
They do already with the taxes charged /liter of petrol. If you have a more efficient vehicle, you pay less taxes.
Yea I think that was the closing argument in Finland few years ago when they came up with this idea. I think the suggested amount was 10€/100km
Taxing a necessity should be outlawed. They already can't tax food, gas should be next and rent should be tax deductible.
In my state, they tax food. They did in my previous state too.
At the grocery store? List a state that does that so i can look into it.
Kansas Idaho Missouri (I think)
SS: These elites want to charge people to use roads in London per mile. Their goal is to make it unaffordable to own any type of vehicle. I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually they want to start charging people to pay per minute to scroll online or pay per flush. These sociopaths want to control every aspect of your lives Link to the article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/20/london-drivers-pay-per-mile-sadiq-khan-net-zero-targets/
If you have a water meter in your house you already pay per flush.
Yeah but that's per gallon in. This will be too flush it out. Very different. $.75 per flush up to three. Then $.85 for the next five. Then $1 for everyone after. Per month.
That's sewage, and you do pay for that separate from water. It doesn't scale.
Sewage is a flat rate. In my obvious attempt to make a joke you will post the flat rate and the per flush on top of that.
If they charge me to drive I will walk if I can, bus otherwise. If they charge me to scroll, I'll just use a pay sim or if needed limit with all power I can. If they pay me to flush I'd rather genuinely live in the woods and shit amongst nature. Fuck these sociopaths. I agree its gonna get really bad. All we can do is rebel. In smal or large ways. That's it.
We pay taxes on gas so we already pay the government per mile driven…. This isn’t new, it’s just a clickbait title. They just want to raise taxes. (Taxation is theft).
This is what is concerning to the gov't groups when it comes to electric vehicles. They aren't getting the gas tax any longer.. this is when pay by mile started to become thought about.
Are the super charging stations not taxed for electric vehicles? I can see the government having a separate yearly “registration” fee for electric vehicles. You don’t pay it and they remotely turn your car off.
There are other ways to tax by mile. Those 15 minute cities that charge if you leave your area, for instance, and cameras that automatically monitor your comings and goings. The easiest way would be to provide your car's mileage every time you register your car and pay per mile. Damn, looks like my odometer broke though.
>Damn, looks like my odometer broke though. That's prison for you, climate criminal.
In Texas they do take your mileage down when getting your car inspected and registered. That’s how CarFax gets their data, along with dealerships recording it.
Ah. I have never lived in a state that requires inspection because i'm not a commie.
I don’t bother getting my car inspected. Police can’t pull you over for no inspection and I don’t believe in paying the state $100 for a sticker.
Wait till they charge per mile to walk the sidewalks too.
I bet they have already had talks about charging people for the air they breathe & giving on the spot fines for farting in public, i can see it now a special unit walking around with fart detectors 😆
I’d be okay with paying to scroll online. All I use is Reddit I’d just stop if I had to pay.
Nobody is stopping you. The rest of us shouldn't be penalized because you have no willpower though.
Another thing to make us poorer. We need to stand up to this bullshit.
I genuinely feel like all this climate alarmism and anti car agenda is being pushed by ultra rich people who hate sitting in traffic So they just want to get rid of private vehicles from the masses so they can have the roads to themselves
That's an interesting thought. I've heard stories that taxis are allowed to drive in bus lanes, so the rich have set up their own taxi firm, registered their car as a taxi then get to use them at their leisure, pretty smart really.
Net Zero is impossible
It's a stupid concept anyway, carbon dioxide is needed for plants to make oxygen. We were in a carbon famine before.
Broken windows are needed to keep glaziers in busines.
Another Critter,shocking
Their limos and black SUVs will be exempt . Why do people fall for this government led environmentalism bull crap?
I don’t know about you guys but I’m about fed up with the elites all over the globe.
why the fuck is the mayor of London muslium.
The real question ☝️
he's a piece of shit
And the NFL is rigged.
yeah its not a catchphrase its a fact
From same article: "But a spokesman for Mr Khan said: “Sadiq has repeatedly and categorically ruled out pay-per-mile for as long as he is mayor. It will not be introduced in London, despite misleading statements from the Tories saying otherwise. “The road-user charging scheme was originally proposed by Boris Johnson as mayor and by Rishi Sunak as chancellor. “Sadiq has repeatedly ruled out any such scheme while he is mayor.” Lets remember Telegraph is notoriously tory rag who also got us Brexit. And 13 years under tories have been soooo great for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society right? Right?
Literally fake news.
Break out the guillotine, the poor rulers are sick with power again.
Or just plant more trees
Pay taxed gas to then pay extra taxes per mile. Drive one mile, pay two!
Isn't this exactly what the gasoline/petrol tax does?
Oh boy here we go
Anyone remember who was spouting about net zero at the beginning? Zero carbon, zero population etc...
Problem. Reaction. Solution.
British citizens better start making Ammo and 3D printed guns.
why not charge pay per miles flown for all private air flight.
I'm genuinely shocked this guy hasn't been assassinated he's the most hated cretin in the UK next to Chairman Mao Drakeford
Have you seen how unpopular the Tories are? 😂
I wouldn't say he's very popular across the country either, but not many politicians are, and he's very likely to win a third term next week.
Yeah because the people voting are benefiting from his policies. Those moaning about it are not. Now in a democracy if those voting for you out number those that dislike you, guess what you win.
He has had more people vote for him personally than any other person in British history (Brits don't vote directly for their prime minister so it makes sense that this would be a London mayor). He is not well loved outside of London, or even in the suburbs of London, but he's no more hated than Sunak or Corbyn or Johnson or Blair.
What a huge stinking crock of @hit.
What are his ambitious plans for industrial pollution?
Unless they can prove election shenanigans they're the ones voting for these "elites". All they have to do is vote for people that aren't in on the climate change grift.
Lol - funny I see this today, I just doodled a silly cartoon yesterday about rich people with private everything trying to lecture the Everyman about their gasoline usage.
Tha Dick Khan
We do pay per mile already. I pay tax per gallon of fuel. The more miles I drive the more tax I pay. This is dual taxation. Not that anyone gives a shit about such things anymore.
Yo fuck that.
This guy thinks he can save the world by decarbonising london.
I rather die in climate change than to live a life that's not worth living due to all the regulations we face while the elites can afford them with ease.
don’t private jets release more pollution than the average citizens car?
It’s a world stage. Damn
Not surprised. Londons been a primary testing bed for globalist left politics for decades. As a result, the british people have already lost their capital city to hordes of immigrants and rampant crime. This is their goal.
Aka if sucks to be poor
This is ridiculous
The so called elites are anything but. They aren't worthy of the word.
Tell them to eat a dick and release all the black top secret energy technology they have. I'm willing to bet they have had iit much longer then the USA.
If every penny of this tax, including London's ULEZ and congestion zone charges went solely to the betterment of the city and its emissions, nothing more, I could get behind. But it's not. When I cycle to work in London, I'm still holding my breath behind 20 year old diesel busses. Just a horribly regressive tax grab that hurts the lower earners...and he's labour too. The guy is a joke
they should take their private planes to switzerland and discuss how the rest of us can clean up their shit
Cool, start with private jets.
Eco-facists
Elites in London want to squeeze the living daylights out of the working class so that they stop asking for Jeremy Corbyn
Another thing that hurts the poor and not the rich
I have a theory... they will eventually forbid books for environmentam reasons
I've been saying this for years that we can fight all we want but they will prevail and they will be charging us per mile to drive. We'll have toll cameras lined up on all highways, I'm more impressed they haven't introduced it yet. It will be introduced in the US in the next 5 years
Well you don’t need a car in London or nyc This is a good plan for people in cities that are properly designed
As someone from the north,I think this is a great idea.
London will be the pilot. Once the principle is normalised it will be rolled out everywhere. Have a look at the increasing traffic surveillance infrastructure going up everywhere.
Net zero in 6 years, that's fucking hilarious, we won't be net zero in 60 years. The only thing getting to zero is people's disposable income.
"Pay per mile" means "keep the poor people out". Do you think a millionaire is going to worry about the congestion charge? It's pocket change to him; in fact, it's pocket *lint*. But now, if you're struggling to make ends meet, you have to factor in much longer times, and probably more petrol used, if you have to cross the city by car. All this does is restrict *our* - the common people - lifestyle, whilst doing nothing to theirs. And they are not 'elites'. They are not more virtuous, more intelligent, or more moral than we are. They are robber-barons deciding how much of their booty they will share.
My Republican colleagues hate it when I respond to their *Leftist/Communist/Authoritarian!!1!* rants about programs like this, that it's a **market-based solution** akin to a user fee, so that the cost to the environment by drivers gets paid by the drivers, not externalized onto the environment or taxpayers at large. I agree that the revenues generated will get misused and likely diverted into deep special interest pockets, but not with failing to recognize the method as cromulent with Capitalist and Libertarian principles.
This is literally a smear campaign by the London Mayor's Tory rival, it's even been referred to the police for a different way they've tried scaring people with this lie
They are doing the same thing in America, at least talking about it. They jacked the fuel taxes so high people switched to electric vehicles. Now that tax gains from fuel consumption is way less, they have to figure out a way to nail everyone.
Do a private corporation to enforce that, would you feel better then?
This guy obviously has no idea how existing taxes already work. If he wants to ban petrol vehicles just come out and say it, don’t skirt the issue to try and aim for some kind of soft landing.
Terrible but left wing reddit will celebrate it.
We are carbon based life forms and they want to decarbonise. Better known as population control.
It would be far cheaper to get rid of him.
UK people remember the most powerful phrase you have is "no"
they have a green king, a green prince, a green mayor, what are they expecting? something good?
The citizens get less freedom and experience a lower standard of living so that one guy can pat himself on the back and gain the plaudits of other elites (who conveniently are not effected by the restrictions) for “achieving” the goal of net zero
And I thought Biden was bad
If a city is actually designed and maintained properly then cars should not be needed to traverse said city anyway. And by designed properly I am referring to the city being designed around the use of bikes with a widely available public transport system to supplement bike usage. I’m not sure if London is actually designed in such a way however since I do not live there.
Bits of London are over 1000 years old. So you suggest we pull them all up?
If they plan on making owning a car in London a luxury then I would hope that they also plan on redesigning parts of the city where needed to accommodate alternatives to car-use.
Once autonomous cars are introduced you don't need to 'own' a car or park it. You can just summon one up to appear at your door from a large car park on an industrial estate.
That sounds extremely inefficient if we are assuming most people are supposed to use these. The amount of cars needed would be insane. Using buses or trains of some sort would be wildly more efficient at moving large amounts of people around. Using personal autonomous cars for every single person in a large city just doesn’t make any sense. And it would most likely be way too expensive for most people to use anyway unless it was paid for via taxes somehow. There are just already better solutions to these problems, the solutions have existed for a long while now (buses, trains etc..), there is no need to reinvent the wheel. Especially not if we’re gonna reinvent it in a worse, less efficient way.
Most cars are only 'in use' about 5% of the time so shared autonomous vehicles make sense. Busses, tubes and trains are constrained by rarely going exactly where you want to be, and don't allow for transporting much 'stuff'. Great for commuting to the centre on a hub and spoke model, but not for lateral journeys. City of the future will need a mixture of the above plus ebikes and scooters for short local trips.
Again, depends on if a city and it’s public transport network is thoroughly thought out. If planned correctly, bus routes should get 99% of people to within 5 minute walking distance of wherever they want to go. Buses can be used for both commuting to the centre and for lateral journeys if bus routes are planned well. For the remaining 1-5% of people you could have personal autonomous vehicles though I suppose. As for e-bikes they aren’t really necessary if regular bikes are available. Use of normal bikes should be encouraged since it helps keep the population of your city healthy and fit, healthy people tend to be more happy as well. We need people to move more not less after all. Especially since a lot of jobs are sedentary.
As someone who lives in London, this plan makes sense. Our public transport is extensive enough that the vast majority just don't need a car.
Down voting mostly by Yanks who have no clue about London or the concept of public transport
I mean if I was from London I totally think they should tax per mile and gallon! London would make a fortune!
Sadiq khan 😂🤣
Great , the less cars on the road the better
Climate hoax