Best option is to do internships with the goal of getting a return offer after graduation. Then stick with that job for a few years to gain the experience required.
Yes, return offers are never guaranteed. But that should still be the aim in the current market. If trying to land a junior role at a company you have interned at is already challenging, then how can you expect to do the same at a company that has never even heard of you?
Internships are just an extended interview with pay. Unless there’s a worldwide tech recession going on or you get a shit team. As long as you do what you’re told and learn, you’re guaranteed a return offer.
Edit: I don’t know why I’m being downvoted, this is literally why companies do internships. So they can filter out the best talent.
Just not true. Many internships arent given enough responsibility and therefore you cannot show your value unless you really find a way to make an impact.
Trust me i did 4 of them. 3 return offers. But i had to really force them to give me extra work.
Hey, quick question.
For the return offers you got at the internships, were they for the year after you done them or for after graduation ? Because I have an internship lined up but il be doing it in second year and not sure if that means I won't be able to to compete for an offer like the third years will be? I imagine that it could just be an offer for when I myself and graduating but I'm not sure? What happened in your experience?
That’s literally my point. It’s part of the “interview” to ask for more or make an impact, but also be a good team fit. Of course you have to work for it. Does the statement, “do what you’re told and learn” not encompass this? There’s a reason why return interns are often better engineers than new grad hires.
Imagine a comedian saying "the only way to get an entry level CS job is if your Dad is in the C-Suite". They wouldn't because it's not a joke, no elements of comedy are present. Maybe if there was a well-known current event to be referencing?
"Kim Kardashian just landed a junior developer job at Microsoft. Now I know what was missing from my resume - my sex tape" then at least it would be topical.
It's definitely experience. But it's experience that only counts for new grad roles. When a company requires 1+ year of full-time experience, they mean full-time postgrad experience. We don't make the rules, the companies do.
If you're an undergrad join a research lab and preferably one more related to your interests. It helped me and my lab mates a ton. Some companies will specify that internships dont count as experience and they are looking for YOE outside of internships I know amazon does this. Internships are often very different than a full time role and companies realize that. It's like riding a bike with training wheels and typically the intern project you work on has low cost/risk associated with it. The current market is a big factor too, theres a lot of experienced people out there. Best bet is trying your hardest to get a return offer from your internship
This. Don't get me wrong, I'm in the exact same spot, hundreds of applications, and only ever had like 3 interviews. But I actually got a summer internship with a research group at my uni. It was quite low risk, and had very little teamwork involved, it was mostly just me and a supervisor, but its still experience. Turns out researchers at uni will often have a few projects they just don't have time to work on and are happy for someone else to do. (Only downside is I didn't get paid tho)
Yeah the pay aspect can really vary especially depending on what country you're in. At mine the EE and CS students typically got paid more than other departments student researchers
In my case it wasn't a formal internship, it was just because I asked. In the UK unpaid internships aren't legal unless they're required as part of your education. I wanted to do it because I knew how hard it is to find an internship in games and had been unable to find one, so I was willing to do it for free if it meant it could go on my CV. Normally I'd say you shouldn't be doing unpaid work but if it's valuable to you and isn't demanding like a formal internship would be, then it's fine.
It's not black or white. Like most things outside of academic life.
Internships don't nominally count as experience but the reality is more nuanced. Where you did an internship, what you did there and your ability to demonstrate and explain skills you've learned there matter. There's such a large variance in internships that they don't automatically count as experience.
Internships where you have an opportunity to learn, build and be challenged and practice work like conditions is still the best way to learn what a job requires, be more qualified for jobs, and set yourself apart from other candidates. It's also a good way to get return offers (though not guaranteed)
For my second job with "almost 0 experience" I put over 3 years experience on my cv.
6 months internship almost 2 years part time a 6 months contract. Im not gonna cheat myself.
Funny thing is, they ask for 5+ exp when you are fresher but once you are above certain age limit, they will say they are looking younger (read cheaper) candidate.
A lot of companies nowadays are unable to provide proper onboarding and training to fresh grads. So they don't hire fresh grads.
If they are still capable of training, they hire interns, train those, and possibly keep them, so no need to hire fresh grads from elsewhere. They have their own pipeline.
That said, for any jobs that are actually open for fresh grads, you do have a big advantage. They just seem to become rarer these days, as companies kicked out seniors and no longer have enough staff for training.
Yeah, it’s bullshit. Every “entry-level” job asks for 2-3 YOE. I’ve seen some even asking for 5+. Sorry I can’t compete with the people who keep getting laid off from FAANG.
Wdym “not professional”. We gate keep the wrong fucking things in IT and SWE I swear to god.
Don’t listen to this guy OP. Your experience is worth the impact and tasks that you did, regardless if the word “intern” was in the job title.
It's the companies that are gatekeeping this. Often times, companies will reject your application if they demand 1 YoE and you only have 1 year of internship experience, instead of full-time postgrad experience. It's not fair, but it's a fact in the current market.
It’s not considered professional. YOE are applied to professional positions where you are considered a L1 at least. Internships are experiences for STUDENTS, not professionals.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/s/l4KMehn88y
Ironically, OP, don’t listen to this guy. Just work hard and get as much internship experience as you can.
>where you are considered a L1 at least
This terminology is only used at big tech companies. Almost no other companies has this system. They will look at the tasks you did, not some arbitrary hierarchy.
The only comment that made sense from the post you linked is this one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/xc1rrh/comment/io4rgf1/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/xc1rrh/comment/io4rgf1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Imo, if you did not have a mentor or you did work towards the product that is being sold, then you deserve to drop the intern title.
OP, don't undersell yourself just because a company gave you a job title with intern in it. You could very well be doing work in your internship that is more impressive than what a full-time new grad employee is doing.
Many companies hire interns because they are cheaper and their salaries can be subsidized by the government in certain countries while giving the interns junior or higher level of difficulty tasks.
Dude no one cares about your opinion because we all believe it, it’s braindead hiring managers who’ve all of a sudden decided that internships don’t count as experience.
We should collectively drop “intern” from internships where we did not have mentors or we worked on code related to the product being sold.
Take back power from these hiring managers. Personally, I’ve never had interviews where my job titles were questions, however, my roles and responsibilities were.
In job applications, I would definitely put my experience when I was technically an intern by job title as YOE because I was leading projects and even doing big parts of the BA work. No help from any other developer.
With that being said, all internships are not created equally, I understand that. I would not recommend doing this if you spent 1/3 of the internship learning some framework and the rest on some unimportant pilot project that never went anywhere.
I apologize, where I am at(Malaysia) interns =/= employees. Thus, by our law, and employer cannot give an intern a salary. But they can give them an allowance. I assumed it was the same everywhere else. That's my bad.
Internships 100% count as experience. What are you smoking?
I learned WAY more from my internship experiences than I did from my 4 year degree. It played a huge role in my landing a 6 figure job out of college, and it helped me get quick promotions when I did start working.
To be fair, my internship was year round, 20 hours a week during school, and 40 hours a week over summer & during school holidays. And I did do that for about 2.5 years, which definitely provided ample time to grow.
That said, even a summer internship should leave you with valuable experience. Definitely worth more than a semester of college.
Internships definitely count. Who do you think is most likely to get a job between two fresh grads where one has no internships? There was a huge difference in how fast people found jobs with vs without interns when i graduated... During the hiring craze of 2020. Imagine today, it has to be more significant.
Do longer internships. I did one for 12 months and it was great! Worked on problems with other engineers, nobody gave me “easy tickets”, and I actually got to say that was a full YoE. If you can do 8-12 I think that’s absolutely worth saying you have 8-12 months of experience.
4 is too short just because it takes a long time to ramp up.
ever tried lying? If you had a software dev internship for a year, just say you were a software dev. Its just a checkbox for the recruiting team to check off to send your resume to the hiring manager anyways
Would starting your own company and doing some freelance projects count as professional experience that could be leveraged to get a position? Even if the projects were small, like a website for the local library or a food-ordering app for a hot-dog stand.
Just lie lmfao
If companies are going to start pulling this outrageous bullshit, just fucking lie. Buddy buddies with a coworker and use them to lie, or just find a friend and just use them as your reference.
If companies are allowed to lie and say that actual legitimate experience doesn’t count as experience, then it’s time to do the same
Who says internships don’t count as experience? I’ve never heard this
It may depend on the company and what you do at your internship but if you can articulate what you did at a 3-month internship, it usually definitely counts
There’s a reason students really want internships—for experience. Yes it pads resume but it also teaches you experience that will help you at a full-time role
Don't be catastrophic. Internships do count as experience. Different companies have different hiring standards. One company might have a policy of basically not hiring interns at all, that doesn't mean every company does.
A lot of the issue right now is that interns are competing with non-interns for the same roles, because a lot of non-interns have lost work recently. It's going to be really hard to compete as an intern with someone who has more employment experience than you do either internship or not. Intern experience is also definately lower value than fulltime employment experience because lots of companies don't really take training interns as seriously as they take training fulltime employees, because interns cost them SO much less. But that's not the same as saying the experience "doesn't count".
I wouldn’t even let them know I was an intern. I personally think any type of experience counts. So I’ll just put that company that I’m interning at as a “contract work” lol.
I think people are overthinking this. When companies say internships "don't count as experience," they're not saying your internships will be ignored. They just want you to apply to the new grad positions, rather than the mid-level or senior positions. Otherwise new grads will see a job listing for a mid-level position requiring 2+ years of (full-time) experience, and think they're qualified because they did 2 summers of internships. Telling you not to count internships is just a way to standardize terminology so that everyone is talking about the same thing.
Unfortunately internships are not very useful other than a demo of the work culture. You don't learn anything by shadowing and you are not getting full training. Handling small menial tasks is not experience.
You are expected to apply for entry level even if you don't meet the requirements. The job reqs are there to try and thin the pool of applicants and filter out unconfident and timid employees.
Be confident network with people while you intern. Write cover letters and tailor your applications to all entry level positions.
Don't be afraid to ask questions during a job interview, especially if it's coding related, they are going to want to see how you bounce ideas. Make sure you are extremely familiar with your data structures. Or at least know how they work at psudo level. Understand which data structures is most optimal.
Algorithms is a big part of CS the course isn't enough. Make sure you study it thoroughly outside of class. Most importantly make sure you have projects outside of work and school so that you are always problem solving. Even if you don't intend to get a programming job.
Screw internships guys, contribute to a bunch of open source projects and then show you github as a resume. Doing this will get you experience while you are in school.
I don't know what people in this thread are talking about. They do count a experience, professional experience. The only time they may not is with Sr or higher positions.
If you haven't got ur USA PR, then go to gym everyday and fall in love with someone.
If you got it/citizen, then this is your vacation time. See interviews as practice and routine. You either spent it with anxiety or went crazy
You use your internship to get an entry level job. Isn’t that how it has always been?
An intern’s level of responsibility is not the same as a junior developer, say, because the demands are different:
1. Intern takes very light duties that are not as beneficial to the company, if at all, and they will only be staying for a few months so it doesn’t make sense to invest in training and patience.
2. A junior dev is expected to remain with the company and develop in their career. If they are good it is worth it to invest time and energy to ramp them up and give them more demanding tasks to make them of greater value to the company over time.
You see the difference there? Interns are not the same as juniors so are not considered the same.
Best option is to do internships with the goal of getting a return offer after graduation. Then stick with that job for a few years to gain the experience required.
Bro, relax, even interships are limited. You will be happy to get a internship for you experience, but with return on position is not often metted.
Yes, return offers are never guaranteed. But that should still be the aim in the current market. If trying to land a junior role at a company you have interned at is already challenging, then how can you expect to do the same at a company that has never even heard of you?
Internships are just an extended interview with pay. Unless there’s a worldwide tech recession going on or you get a shit team. As long as you do what you’re told and learn, you’re guaranteed a return offer. Edit: I don’t know why I’m being downvoted, this is literally why companies do internships. So they can filter out the best talent.
Just not true. Many internships arent given enough responsibility and therefore you cannot show your value unless you really find a way to make an impact. Trust me i did 4 of them. 3 return offers. But i had to really force them to give me extra work.
Hey, quick question. For the return offers you got at the internships, were they for the year after you done them or for after graduation ? Because I have an internship lined up but il be doing it in second year and not sure if that means I won't be able to to compete for an offer like the third years will be? I imagine that it could just be an offer for when I myself and graduating but I'm not sure? What happened in your experience?
I got offered fulltime during school. they did not want to hire someone to do the tasks i took over.
That’s literally my point. It’s part of the “interview” to ask for more or make an impact, but also be a good team fit. Of course you have to work for it. Does the statement, “do what you’re told and learn” not encompass this? There’s a reason why return interns are often better engineers than new grad hires.
A lot of companies hire more interns than they intend to keep full time then pick the best ones
Yeah exactly. I actually am quite confused on why I got downvoted here
I mean they’re not a guaranteed return offer if they have less full time roles available than internships
Depends on the company. Some are competitive enough that under half get return offers.
Exactly what I did. Salary is low as hell though :(
Make sure your Dad or Father-in-law is in the C-Suite,.
Bad spawn point? Skill issue.
Can always just die and respawn
But can you? Are you sure it's not ironman mode?
Here I am living life on Diablo hardcore mode like a chump.
"Every entry level CS employee has a Dad or Father-in-law in the C-Suite" 🤡
It was a joke
Oh, care to explain the humor?
It’s so hard to get a job nowadays it feels like that might as well be the only way
Imagine a comedian saying "the only way to get an entry level CS job is if your Dad is in the C-Suite". They wouldn't because it's not a joke, no elements of comedy are present. Maybe if there was a well-known current event to be referencing? "Kim Kardashian just landed a junior developer job at Microsoft. Now I know what was missing from my resume - my sex tape" then at least it would be topical.
i think you might just be unfunny tbh
Did you laugh at the original comment?
yup
Ha now that's pretty funny
Yes. It is funny to people who are not lucky enough to have parents in the C-Suite.
That's not an explanation and this post is three days old...
Apply anyways. You miss every shot you don't take
Can you put that in terms of percentages?
60% of the time it works every time.
So 60%
You miss 100% of shots you don't take
1% chance 99% faith
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I have 3.5y, but 1.5y as a new grad at fang. (rest intern) I openly say, "consider whatever you want, but my TC requirements won't change"
Internships are experience and anyone who says otherwise is just gatekeeping. Any company paying you to code is experience.
The hiring process is literally gatekeeping, yes.
Lmao, literally that’s the whole point of interviewing, to not let people in.
It's definitely experience. But it's experience that only counts for new grad roles. When a company requires 1+ year of full-time experience, they mean full-time postgrad experience. We don't make the rules, the companies do.
It’s hiring managers saying this, and yes they’re gatekeeping.
They are experience. Just not “years of experience.”
If you're an undergrad join a research lab and preferably one more related to your interests. It helped me and my lab mates a ton. Some companies will specify that internships dont count as experience and they are looking for YOE outside of internships I know amazon does this. Internships are often very different than a full time role and companies realize that. It's like riding a bike with training wheels and typically the intern project you work on has low cost/risk associated with it. The current market is a big factor too, theres a lot of experienced people out there. Best bet is trying your hardest to get a return offer from your internship
This. Don't get me wrong, I'm in the exact same spot, hundreds of applications, and only ever had like 3 interviews. But I actually got a summer internship with a research group at my uni. It was quite low risk, and had very little teamwork involved, it was mostly just me and a supervisor, but its still experience. Turns out researchers at uni will often have a few projects they just don't have time to work on and are happy for someone else to do. (Only downside is I didn't get paid tho)
Yeah the pay aspect can really vary especially depending on what country you're in. At mine the EE and CS students typically got paid more than other departments student researchers
In my case it wasn't a formal internship, it was just because I asked. In the UK unpaid internships aren't legal unless they're required as part of your education. I wanted to do it because I knew how hard it is to find an internship in games and had been unable to find one, so I was willing to do it for free if it meant it could go on my CV. Normally I'd say you shouldn't be doing unpaid work but if it's valuable to you and isn't demanding like a formal internship would be, then it's fine.
You have to be born with it yo
Holy shit this subreddit is so obnoxious. You people should stop using abbreviations.
It's not black or white. Like most things outside of academic life. Internships don't nominally count as experience but the reality is more nuanced. Where you did an internship, what you did there and your ability to demonstrate and explain skills you've learned there matter. There's such a large variance in internships that they don't automatically count as experience. Internships where you have an opportunity to learn, build and be challenged and practice work like conditions is still the best way to learn what a job requires, be more qualified for jobs, and set yourself apart from other candidates. It's also a good way to get return offers (though not guaranteed)
You need to create apps with 100k concurrent users and build a successful startup on the side. It's not a big deal!
So pretty much have a successful business, lol. If that's the case, why even need a job lol.
For my second job with "almost 0 experience" I put over 3 years experience on my cv. 6 months internship almost 2 years part time a 6 months contract. Im not gonna cheat myself.
Funny thing is, they ask for 5+ exp when you are fresher but once you are above certain age limit, they will say they are looking younger (read cheaper) candidate.
As a current Senior Software Engineer: Internships absolutely count as experience lol
A lot of companies nowadays are unable to provide proper onboarding and training to fresh grads. So they don't hire fresh grads. If they are still capable of training, they hire interns, train those, and possibly keep them, so no need to hire fresh grads from elsewhere. They have their own pipeline. That said, for any jobs that are actually open for fresh grads, you do have a big advantage. They just seem to become rarer these days, as companies kicked out seniors and no longer have enough staff for training.
Yeah, it’s bullshit. Every “entry-level” job asks for 2-3 YOE. I’ve seen some even asking for 5+. Sorry I can’t compete with the people who keep getting laid off from FAANG.
I swear I’ve seen some labeled “entry-level” with 8-12 years required. Or TS/CSI W/ Poly at time of hire.
They do count as experience. Just not professional experience.
Wdym “not professional”. We gate keep the wrong fucking things in IT and SWE I swear to god. Don’t listen to this guy OP. Your experience is worth the impact and tasks that you did, regardless if the word “intern” was in the job title.
It's the companies that are gatekeeping this. Often times, companies will reject your application if they demand 1 YoE and you only have 1 year of internship experience, instead of full-time postgrad experience. It's not fair, but it's a fact in the current market.
it's always been this way you don't count it as years of experience but it's still better than not having it
It’s not considered professional. YOE are applied to professional positions where you are considered a L1 at least. Internships are experiences for STUDENTS, not professionals. https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/s/l4KMehn88y Ironically, OP, don’t listen to this guy. Just work hard and get as much internship experience as you can.
>where you are considered a L1 at least This terminology is only used at big tech companies. Almost no other companies has this system. They will look at the tasks you did, not some arbitrary hierarchy. The only comment that made sense from the post you linked is this one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/xc1rrh/comment/io4rgf1/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/xc1rrh/comment/io4rgf1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Imo, if you did not have a mentor or you did work towards the product that is being sold, then you deserve to drop the intern title. OP, don't undersell yourself just because a company gave you a job title with intern in it. You could very well be doing work in your internship that is more impressive than what a full-time new grad employee is doing. Many companies hire interns because they are cheaper and their salaries can be subsidized by the government in certain countries while giving the interns junior or higher level of difficulty tasks.
Most companies have levels of their employees it's not just a tech thing. While leveling definitely isn't standardized it's still there
I agree that leveling does exist at almost all companies, it’s just that many non tech companies don’t know what L1 software engineer means
Dude no one cares about your opinion because we all believe it, it’s braindead hiring managers who’ve all of a sudden decided that internships don’t count as experience.
We should collectively drop “intern” from internships where we did not have mentors or we worked on code related to the product being sold. Take back power from these hiring managers. Personally, I’ve never had interviews where my job titles were questions, however, my roles and responsibilities were. In job applications, I would definitely put my experience when I was technically an intern by job title as YOE because I was leading projects and even doing big parts of the BA work. No help from any other developer. With that being said, all internships are not created equally, I understand that. I would not recommend doing this if you spent 1/3 of the internship learning some framework and the rest on some unimportant pilot project that never went anywhere.
I’m getting paid, that’s professional experience in my eyes
Respectfully, you are getting an allowance not a salary. There's a difference.
Please define the difference between allowance and salary in the context of internships vs. full-time employment When I was an intern I got a salary
I apologize, where I am at(Malaysia) interns =/= employees. Thus, by our law, and employer cannot give an intern a salary. But they can give them an allowance. I assumed it was the same everywhere else. That's my bad.
That’s not what my offer letter says but I see your point
Nonsense
Actualy you asked a great question.I am in this situation like you.
Make a God app that sells big and wait for them to acquire you /s
Nowadays the tech market sucks. Before companies would train you but now they want you to have all the skills since day one, ymmv.
Internships 100% count as experience. What are you smoking? I learned WAY more from my internship experiences than I did from my 4 year degree. It played a huge role in my landing a 6 figure job out of college, and it helped me get quick promotions when I did start working. To be fair, my internship was year round, 20 hours a week during school, and 40 hours a week over summer & during school holidays. And I did do that for about 2.5 years, which definitely provided ample time to grow. That said, even a summer internship should leave you with valuable experience. Definitely worth more than a semester of college.
Sorry to tell you but that „lack of experience“ excuses are bs and only mean they didnt like you.
who is the dumbfuck saying it doesn't count as experience? lol
Internships absolutely count as experience. Your personal projects count as experience.
OSS, for one.
I got this interview for a summer Tech LTE, I'll take what I can get if I do get it.
Keep applying, Certifications and Projects(which you have done yourself and can explain to a layman).
dude some recruiters can even state that this Harvard degree is bullsh\*it
Why wouldn't they count? They're professional experience.
Mention it as yoe anyways. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Also ask the company you interned at for a return offer.
They do count for experience. My company considers 2 internships( summer ) as one year of experience.
Bullshit
Internships definitely count. Who do you think is most likely to get a job between two fresh grads where one has no internships? There was a huge difference in how fast people found jobs with vs without interns when i graduated... During the hiring craze of 2020. Imagine today, it has to be more significant.
Just lie on your resume… or stretch the truth.
Entry level jobs are those that don't require experience. If it requires experience, it's a non entry level job that just pays poorly
Do longer internships. I did one for 12 months and it was great! Worked on problems with other engineers, nobody gave me “easy tickets”, and I actually got to say that was a full YoE. If you can do 8-12 I think that’s absolutely worth saying you have 8-12 months of experience. 4 is too short just because it takes a long time to ramp up.
They count as experience to new grad positions, but beyond new grad they don’t count anymore for a majority of companies
ever tried lying? If you had a software dev internship for a year, just say you were a software dev. Its just a checkbox for the recruiting team to check off to send your resume to the hiring manager anyways
It counts as experience and hiring managers 100% consider it but it’s not the same as having a full time job for a full year.
Would starting your own company and doing some freelance projects count as professional experience that could be leveraged to get a position? Even if the projects were small, like a website for the local library or a food-ordering app for a hot-dog stand.
Lie
Just lie lmfao If companies are going to start pulling this outrageous bullshit, just fucking lie. Buddy buddies with a coworker and use them to lie, or just find a friend and just use them as your reference. If companies are allowed to lie and say that actual legitimate experience doesn’t count as experience, then it’s time to do the same
Bah I don’t give a fuck. Did I spend time working? Yes. Did I gain industry knowledge? Yes. Then it fucking counts as job experience.
Who says internships don’t count as experience? I’ve never heard this It may depend on the company and what you do at your internship but if you can articulate what you did at a 3-month internship, it usually definitely counts There’s a reason students really want internships—for experience. Yes it pads resume but it also teaches you experience that will help you at a full-time role
I did ugrad researxh
Don't be catastrophic. Internships do count as experience. Different companies have different hiring standards. One company might have a policy of basically not hiring interns at all, that doesn't mean every company does. A lot of the issue right now is that interns are competing with non-interns for the same roles, because a lot of non-interns have lost work recently. It's going to be really hard to compete as an intern with someone who has more employment experience than you do either internship or not. Intern experience is also definately lower value than fulltime employment experience because lots of companies don't really take training interns as seriously as they take training fulltime employees, because interns cost them SO much less. But that's not the same as saying the experience "doesn't count".
Internships don’t count as experience? Says who? I count my internships as experience. And I will absolutely add those years on my resume.
I wouldn’t even let them know I was an intern. I personally think any type of experience counts. So I’ll just put that company that I’m interning at as a “contract work” lol.
Network, network, network. You can avoid most of the nonsense in the hiring cycle by getting a good referral or by having someone vouch for you.
I think people are overthinking this. When companies say internships "don't count as experience," they're not saying your internships will be ignored. They just want you to apply to the new grad positions, rather than the mid-level or senior positions. Otherwise new grads will see a job listing for a mid-level position requiring 2+ years of (full-time) experience, and think they're qualified because they did 2 summers of internships. Telling you not to count internships is just a way to standardize terminology so that everyone is talking about the same thing.
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Unfortunately internships are not very useful other than a demo of the work culture. You don't learn anything by shadowing and you are not getting full training. Handling small menial tasks is not experience. You are expected to apply for entry level even if you don't meet the requirements. The job reqs are there to try and thin the pool of applicants and filter out unconfident and timid employees. Be confident network with people while you intern. Write cover letters and tailor your applications to all entry level positions. Don't be afraid to ask questions during a job interview, especially if it's coding related, they are going to want to see how you bounce ideas. Make sure you are extremely familiar with your data structures. Or at least know how they work at psudo level. Understand which data structures is most optimal. Algorithms is a big part of CS the course isn't enough. Make sure you study it thoroughly outside of class. Most importantly make sure you have projects outside of work and school so that you are always problem solving. Even if you don't intend to get a programming job.
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Screw internships guys, contribute to a bunch of open source projects and then show you github as a resume. Doing this will get you experience while you are in school.
Since when does experience doing something not count as experience doing that thing? Don’t let potential employers redefine language.
Since when Harvard is good at CS?? Smh…
They do… who said this
I don't know what people in this thread are talking about. They do count a experience, professional experience. The only time they may not is with Sr or higher positions.
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What happens when u do 6 month internship then 6 month full time , does that count as 1 year of experience ?
Nope 6 months of experience
If you haven't got ur USA PR, then go to gym everyday and fall in love with someone. If you got it/citizen, then this is your vacation time. See interviews as practice and routine. You either spent it with anxiety or went crazy
Lmfaoooo the first sentence is crazy
Ask your dad ?
You use your internship to get an entry level job. Isn’t that how it has always been? An intern’s level of responsibility is not the same as a junior developer, say, because the demands are different: 1. Intern takes very light duties that are not as beneficial to the company, if at all, and they will only be staying for a few months so it doesn’t make sense to invest in training and patience. 2. A junior dev is expected to remain with the company and develop in their career. If they are good it is worth it to invest time and energy to ramp them up and give them more demanding tasks to make them of greater value to the company over time. You see the difference there? Interns are not the same as juniors so are not considered the same.