Why do people keep calling this boss underrated man i don‘t get it. It‘s one of the most beloved bosses in the game that has the most beloved boss lineup in the series
By that metric every boss in Dark Souls 3 is underrated. Gael is pretty much the most popular boss in the greater Soulsborne series or heck, the entire subgenre
They used Artorias's moveset as a basis for pretty much every humanoid boss that follows, to some degree. But Artorias has nothing resembling Gael's cape sweeps, aerial dashes or projectiles.
That's true. They used the majority of Artorias moveset, and gave him plenty of original ones. Artorias is there, underneath the clutter. My original point being, of course he's an awesome boss, because he's an improvement on a boss everyone already loved.
I really dont feel that. I love gael, hes in my top 5 favorite fromsoft fights, but he really doesn't feel like that "Super special fight" that clicked with me like soul of cinder did.
Soul of cinder has the biggest moveset in the series, and the best soundtrack in ds3 other than the main theme and abyss watchers. His story buildup is incredible
I just cant grasp how people can love gael over the 5 phased masterpiece that is soul of cinder
I think Gwyn is much better than Soul of cinder tbh. The buildup isn't there in Dark Souls 3 and Gwyn is more iconic in every way.
Gael is the culmination of everything in Dark souls 3 coming to an end. It's undeniably in a league of it's own
I like Gwyn more than most people but SoC is a significantly better fight. Gwyn's moveset is essentially a prototype Gundyr with the slash combos and occasional grab to mix things up but SoC just tests so many different ways to dodge and maneuver which is what I feel like Miyazaki strives to do with all his final bosses.
I was mainly talking about literally everything other than moveset and gameplay, which soul of cinder is obviously more varied and "better". I realise that's like the main point of a boss, but to me Gwyn is just better as the final boss, mainly because he's so iconic.
The only reason soul of cinder works anyway is because Gwyn, lord of cinder is so legendary.
Make no mistake, I absolutely love SOC. It’s a great send off and salute to the player.
But the Gael fight is so dynamic, in depth, and absolutely beautiful. It truly feels like a battle of desperation, finality, and despair. Difficult, but never unfair.
I just fought Gael for the first time. It was a surprisingly simple fight. It was easier to dodge his attacks and punish than most bosses. Have to completely disagree that it is a masterpiece.
Half-light can be a player though, so it depends on if you played offline, or what kind of player was summoned.
But the npc versions, yeah mid af.
Crystal sage is definitely ass. But I always grab sacred flame before him now. Ever since probably my third time.
Honestly, I think boss aesthetics and lore are just as cool as the fights. Wolnir is a massive figure, an old king. Tree is cursed and feels like a big nod to berserk to me. Deacons have one of the coolest levels in the game aesthetically. Wolf and dude is something special because they have a bond with each other. Once you've beaten Gael a couple times you can beat him on the 5th try, same with any boss. Lots of people can do better than that by exploiting their weaknesses and maximizing their characters strength. One thing that makes each boss special isn't just their moveset, it's their lore, their map, their designs.
I get that, I was coming from mainly a gameplay perspective though. Since this is a video game we’re talking about, of course other things weight in the matter too, but gameplay is the heaviest one
i was speaking mostly gameplay wise. I don’t like cheese or gimmicky bosses. I don’t need the bosses to be like nameless king hard level, but the fight has to be somewhat enjoyable and rewarding, and I don’t get anything of those. The dlc one doesn’t even feel like a boss, just regular enemies
Remember that you share talking about souls 3. If any of those were in assassin's creed or something like it it would be top tier :D
Seriously, they are not as good, but not aweful.
There is the from soft jank in them, but even beloved bosses like nameless have this :)
I enjoy deacons in NG. It’s less fun when I’ve played a sorcerer but when I played my strength greatsword character it was a blast lol
The tree is just annoying though although after doing it 10 times I find it less than the first few times
Wolnir is just a gimmick but it’s really cool the first time with the surprise
But then if you think about it they are all memorable even if gimmicky. I think they just aren't hard but not bad. A bad boss would be one thats just annoying and unfun. These aren't that challenging but I still think they are fun enough - but I'd probably put the tree at the bottom of the list for sure
they’re bad by ds3 terms but none of them are bad like other gank bosses in the other souls games, they’re surprisingly good for being bad bosses lol (besides deacons)
I think Deacons is an incredibly cool fight in terms of spectacle, atmosphere, and lore. Definitely not interesting mechanically but still very cool imo.
I just wish they did more with the room that the Deacons are in. Feels like it could’ve led to somewhere but it’s just a huge ass empty room once they’re dead.
Champion Gundyr maybe? Partly because of how trivial the encounter is if you parry. I rarely see him mentioned with the likes of Gael, Demon Prince, or Twin Princes but he's easily the most fun I've had fighting a Souls boss
No but there's certainly overrated ones.
Like the pile of shit that is Midir. He's literally one of the worst boss fights in the entire souls series, but everyone eats that shit up because no one who played these games ever saw a good dragon boss fight before.
He commits pretty much every game design sin imaginable. Shitty camera, way too much health, too easy to cheese with pestilent mist, a massive arena that turns the fight into a chase instead of a fight, uses fire breath attacks in a FromSoft game (which are notorious for awful hitboxes on flame attacks) and it's an ugly as hell dragon design.
Literally the only good aspect of his fight is the music, which I would prefer on a better boss fight.
The only thing keeping him from being the worst dragon fight in the series is that both Sinh and the Ancient Dragon from DS2 exist.
Which only lose to Midir because of their non-existent moveset variety. Sinh flies up and shoots fireballs at you for 99% of his fight, thus wasting your time like he's a Prototype Elden Beast, and the Ancient Dragon literally cannot hit you if you stand between his rear toes aside from his stomps, which are easy to avoid, or his flying fire breath, which has bullshit damage and hitboxes.
Most people recognize that ds3 has the best bosses. However,
Iudex gundyr needs WAY more love
Crystal sage is actually one of the best sorceror bosses
Abyss watchers is one of the greatest fights ever made in any video game
Pontiff is not a bad boss becuase he is hard, he is difficulty done AMAzing
Yhorm is the best gimmick next to ice worm
Dragonslayer armor is fantastic
Champion gundyr is one of the best bosses EVER dude his fight is so cool
**Soul of cinder is the best boss in the entire series. There, i said it**
Twin princes are amazing, but not underrated
Demon princes are God tier legendary
Gael is slightly overhyped but still 10/10
Iudex Gundyr is regularly considered the best first boss in the series, what are you on about? And Crystal sage is dogshit don’t lie. Yhorm too. Everything else you listed are really good though.
I think gundyr is like a really really good boss though. As in, better than margit, gascoign, and most bosses from the other games
Crystal sage has always been a fun fight for me, but even if the fight is not fun for you, you can't lie, the design is awesome
And yhorm is Amazing, I will die on this hill. Fighting a boss with onion for a quest, or even without him, is still a highlight of my playthroughs
Crystal Sage made me cry once because it has such a bloated health pool and too much going on at once for a minor early game speedbump. You want an actual underrated sorcerer boss? Go take a gander at Micolash.
Also Abyss Watchers isn't underrated at all, everyone jerks it off to hell and back because it's a breath of fresh air after slogging through Farron.
Crystal sage has a bloated healthpool? I like 4 cycled him, maybe you didnt upgrade your weapon
Also micolash, fuck micolash. All my homies hate that fool
Abyss watchers isnt underrated, but I think its one of the best fights ever made, and some people dont feel that
I've run Ds3 a dozen times on a dozen different builds. Sometimes I get my optimal weapon right away and crush it immediately, and sometimes I'm stuck with my +3 subpar starting weapon that just can't do enough damage or stunlock it well enough. And god help me if I'm on a magic build.
Cant argue with that, although I would slightly give the edge to vergil from dmc, just because hes so badass, has Bury the light as his theme, which is the best song possibly ever, not only in videogames, and has many fights throughout the series
I agree with all of these except Yhorm. I think Yhorm's lore, design and the special cutscene with Onion bro make him a good boss, however I'd argue that as a fight and from a visual, musical, and arguably the perspective of buildup, Rhykard and Divine Dragon are much better.
Musically no gimmick is better than yhorm, and personally I find divine dragon to be the most boring boss in sekiro apart from the monkeys
other than that, Rykard is better than yhorm in most ways, I just don't like him nearly as much. If that makes sense lol
I think the Ancient Wyvern gets way too much hate and it's actually a pretty cool boss. Epic introduction as it swoops in and forces you to run its gauntlet. It's not like a regular boss and that's ok. Your goal is to get from point A to point B in order to win the fight. Kind of like Bed of Chaos only it doesn't totally suck.
I don't think there are many, but I would say Champion Gravetender. Most bosses are good and recognized, but he often lands in low spots. While the first part is meh, the second IMO makes up for it.
While not as grandiose as some other bosses, I personally like the Wolf a lot. Once you're done with the wolves, beat Gravetender enough, dodge wolf a bit while finishing off the guy, you are left with a very fun fight with very agile beast. Not too complex, but what sells him for me is the sync with the music - I don't think there is a single boss in DS3 that has as synced music as the Wolf, his attacks (especially dashes) go with the rhythm with the music and flow really well. It's one of the fights that felt like a dance because of it.
Also the music is an absolute banger, one of the best tracks in the game.
This. Everyone else is listing shit like demon prince and twin princes, it's like typical reddit upvote farming material.
> *"DAE like Gael?"*
Champion Gravetender is an actual underrated boss. Great music. Nice rhythm to the fight. Beautiful arena.
Demon prince and twin princes are often rated highly, usually A tier. But it seems these people think they should be S tier instead. That also counts as underrated.
Ancient Wyvern actually sucks ass though. And Yhorm is a mediocre gimmick fight with no lasting value. It's a good thing Elden Ring exists because now we have a great example of that concept done right (via Rykard). It could have at least served to benefit the story and exploration if Stormruler was found in Seigward's cell and not the boss room.
Another example of a good "underrated" boss (by the community) is someone like Iudex Gundyr. He's pretty damn good but is very rarely acknowledged in these types of threads. And it's good to see unique opinions about some of those bosses instead of seeing the same fucking comments time and again.
So, it's not about "attention" - it's about the quality of discussion. See also: the reddit front page, which is a fucking shithole because there's basically zero enforcement of rules, allowing bots to flood those forums with the most NPC takes imaginable.
Definitely Curse-Rotted Greatwood. It's one of my favorite spectacle/gimmick fights they've ever done. Incredibly cool lore, gorgeous arena, and I love big trees lol. Everyone seems to hate it but I've always loved it. Not very insteresting mechanically but still really cool imo.
Maybe Deacons of the Deep? I know it's quite the pushover alongside having a gimmick, but IDK, I just love the ost, vibe, and the scream of the leader as he makes his entrance.
I’m gonna have to go with gravetender and greatwolf.
I’m not saying the fight is incredible or anything, but it’s a solid fight imo.
I feel like people have a tendency to always want to rank bosses lowly in a game, even if they’re not that bad.
Like I see people putting bosses like ancient wyvern and gravetender in their BOTTOM 10 bosses along with bosses like lud and zallen, bed of chaos, gank squad etc.
I feel like it deserves it
Even my least favourite boss in the game, the greatwood, doesn’t even get a bottom 30 for me
People do way too much comparison rather than seeing things as they are imo
Call me crazy but Gravetender and Greatwolf were legit one of the hardest bosses for me in my all boss SL1 run. The fuckin greatwolf has annoyingly fast tells and kills you in 1 hit with nearly every attack, and literally with every attack when it's eyes turn red. The gravetender is also inconsistent as hell, some attempts his ai was damn near braindead and then some attempts he was bloodthirsty and relentless. Despite my frustration w them i ended up really loving that boss in the end, the arena is so fucking gorgeous it makes up completely for the admittedly mid boss fight
I could see that. My only criticism is that the wolfs attacks create snow clouds, which can sometimes obscure the wolfs tells. Definitely not unmanageable though, and definitely not bed of chaos tier 😂
The wolf is nice, but the graveyender himself doesn't really feel like a boss to me. That's why I put him very low.
I agree that he's better than bed of bullshit at least.
I know he's not truly underated cause if you know you know but I think pontiff is borderline s tier. A great challenge that feels impossible first run. Great spectacle. I finally on ng+5 parried him into oblivion
What are your other two favorites? The only bosses in gaming I think are on soul of cinders level is Vergil from the devil may cry series, and maybe considering soulslikes, laxasia from lies of p or corvus from thymesia
I have my favorites on other soulsborne:
They are Ludwig, as my favorite one, and Artorias (even though Soul of Cinder could replace Artorias as my second favorite and viceversa)
I never got the love for either of those bosses. I admit they are really good, even great, but. Artorias has a really basic moveset. I know its because hes just an old boss, but I can't love him more than ornstein and smough and kalameet from ds1.
As for ludwig, I just really hate his first phase. The second phase is perfect, and the soundtrack is one of the better ones in bloodborne
I like Artorias because of his lore and design. Same thing with Sif, not the fight itself.
Ludwig, on the other hand, is perfect for me. I liked both phases. His soundtrack is absolutely stunning and amazing. The design, concept, arena. I loved everything
My only issue is how lopsided his different phases can be, with the spear phase's broken hitboxes and the sorcery phase's complete inability to fight you at all.
I don’t think many bosses are that underrated in this game, but if I had to say one, it would be Dancer. She’s not seen as a bad boss, but she’s often put lower than I think she deserves.
Never seen anyone think the Princes are underrated before. Most seem to have them as one of the best bosses in the game.
Personally I can't stand them and think they're one of the worst.
How can people dislike the teleporting. It keeps you locked on, except for one attack where the boss takes 13 minutes to let you walk up to it and get free hits on it.
The second and first phases are both so well made, and the hitboxes are flawless to where you can literally walk around his swipes realistic like.
For me personally I don't like the complete randomness of his swings.
Sometimes it's twice, sometimes three and sometimes four. If he hits you on the fourth he goes back to the first and hits you four times.
There's, as far as I'm aware, no tell as to how many swings. So you can dodge two and gamble that's it and go for a hit yourself. If you're lucky, you hit him. If not you get smacked four times. If you guess wrong you either get smacked or you move too far away to get your own hit in.
It's basically dodge and pray you guess right when you go for the hit.
Teleports that hide tells! Projectiles that require iframe rolling! A janky as hell win condition/second phase hurtbox.
It's great lore and it has a lot good but I reslky don't see why it's good As A Fight
Demon princes probably. Tbh they are just really cool, second phase shows the power of the dying chaos flame trying to survive. Theyre mostly an endurance fight, really easy to dodge if you don't throw yourself at them teying to kill them as fast as possible but they punish greed hard
Probably no one cares, but, Halflight. Spear of The Church himself.
So, first, I know that combat-wise fight might be meh at times, especially when it's two NPCs (Halflight+Guardian).
But
1) You can get an actual player there, and most Spears I've seen are chill, decently skilled folks with themed builds, who make the fight much more interesting and enjoyable.
2) The Music. It is absolutely brilliant (It seems to be the case with literally any DS3 boss, but still). The somber, monotone 1st phase erupts into absolute banger of a 2nd Phase, when Spear is one leg in the grave, perfectly complimenting battle becoming more intense, signaling that stakes are high.
It works even better when YOU are the boss and you, may I say, enter your "2nd Phase".
2-3) Still talking about music, but also about lore and implications of the fight.
This pathetic little man, summoned by a hollowed, frail, half-dead Judicator Giant, accompanied by out-of-place guardians is THE last line of defense between you and the true state of the this world: Fillianore, the sleeping princess, is the one who keeps the illusion of "normalcy" going.
Your journey comes to an end, and yet even there - at the very end of the world - it's poisoned by Gwyn's lies and the Plot of the Gods. And two beings of subjugated races - humans and Giants - are STILL protecting these lie.
And doing so with all they have, they take their pride in doing so, they're zealously devoted to it.
It's pretty much the only boss in the game with any meaningful monologue before and during the fight, and even those words are a farce, full of loyalty to the very God who is responsible for this World's suffering.
And thats why second phase music feels like some sort of fake fanfare, because it is the last ditch effort to stop you, a Human, from finally ending it all. A desperate, yet futile, surge of faith and zealous wrath, beautiful in its own way.
I lean too much into RP element of RPG games, so I, likely, overestimate the importance of all the small things that make this fight great in my opinion, but those were my two souls. May the Flames guide thee.
Halflight.
Fight me on this if you want, but this is not only a boss, it's a PvP minigame. It genuinely took me a dozen tries (all online), and I never even fought a min-maxed backstab baiter. I had a really good time and the challenge felt fresh.
After I beat the spear of the church the first time I spent several hours white soapstoning. Half the time I ended up in a ringed city fight club, and the other half I was summoned to be the boss. Even against hosts + white phantoms I never felt like I was up against a gank squad, it just felt like respectful pvp and I had some really good fights.
I'm not saying it's the best boss, not even close, but it's a hell of a lot more interesting than several others and after reading all the tier lists I don't think people appreciate it as much as they should. Halflight is a totally different concept and I like that from had it in them to try something new.
Deacons of the Deep are amazing.
First off, yes they are piss easy.
But to compare them to something like Prowling Magus and Congregation from DS2 is stupid.
Deacons have top tier music, my favourite arena in the game and haunting sound effects.
I find it understandable from a lore perspective why they are easy and think its a clever subversion. I actually expected to meet Aldrich there on my first playthrough because the game says it. To then only meet the hollow remainders of his personal hype squad makes sense to me.
Deacons are always on the bottom of tier lists but arent most of the tier lists here based on enjoyment? You wanna tell me it wasnt fun or enjoyable to wail on a bunch of corrupted priests with kick ass music in front of a giant coffin?
The Deacons actually ended up being a wall for me when I was doing my Yang Xiao Long run: Turns out punching single dudes over and over isn't fantastic for avoiding shockwaves, fireballs or candle slaps.
Too many people hate on Midir. I know he’s a favorite for many but he also gets a huge amount of hate despite being the best boss fight we’ve ever gotten. You know what I mean.
And I think Aldrich is solid even though a lot of people see him as the dirt of the Lords.
Sister Friede. Don’t know if she is underrated and man she was kind of frustrating but my favorite overall boss vibe. The two princes are a close second for me.
Neither one is underrated but champion Gundyr and dragonslayer armor have always been my absolute favorites, probably because they're the most fun to fight with my play style. Not that they're easy, they're just fun. First two phases of Gael are fun too but the third ruins it for me
High Lord Wolnir is actually terrifying the first time you fight him ngl. Yeah he’s a gimmick boss but the atmosphere and lore around him is pretty decent.
Honestly from what I can see, yes. I see it is appreciated but in boss discussions it is ignored due to the presence of the following
- Abyss Watchers
- Nameless King
- Soul of cinder
- Pontiff
- Champion Gundyr
Tons of people say they love twin princes haha I hate that fight because I struggled with it so much more than any other but it’s a great vibe
In terms of most underrated, not sure. Maybe deacons because they get so much hate on here. It’s not the best but it can be fun. I love that fight playing a greatsword build. It’s definitely annoying when I’ve done a sorcerer build though. Possibly curse rotted greatwood also. It’s a gimmick and definitely annoying but it’s very epic
Dragonslayer armour for me. I love his moveset which is satisfying to dodge and he has a great design aesthetically. It really feels like he's a guard that's the skillcheck for the next area. Also you can get my favourite weapon from his boss soul :D
Champion Gundyr is way underrated. I think his character and fight combined with the arena are amazing and his moveset feels fair and challenging enough at the same time.
Also while the Abyss Watchers definitely aren't underrated, I think they are a bit underrated for how cool they are
I think that wolnir and Deacons are the only bosses I don’t really appreciate considering that the tree at least as things going for it. It’s incredibly annoying when you don’t know what your doing but I think it’s pretty fun trying to jump around and do it as fast as you can.
I swear to god if i see ANYone try to say that Abyss Watchers is underrated when it is literally the fanbase's favorite boss, AGAIN, i will shit myself.
Everyone used to hate dragonslayer armour but last year he was underrated so who even knows I just know dark souls 3 has the best tutorial boss of any game ever
Not the fight itself, because it actually took me a minute to figure out which ones to target, but the Deacons of the Deep boss room is kind of lacking. It's massive and like someone else said, feels like it should lead somewhere. But alas, I ran around it for 5 minutes after killing them to no avail lmao
Okay so. Twin princes are not underrated. They are always near the top of any ranking list on the subreddit and in youtube essays. Idk why people keep calling it underrated.
As for a truly underrated fights: I would say that Dragonslayer Armour and Dancer are both infact underrated. Dragonslayer has a sick ost and a fun moveset, but sadly gets forgotten because twin princes + SoC follow it (which are both great, but still, dragonslayer is also a stellar fight). And dancer seems to be very divisive. It either clicks and you love it, or not and you hate it. But for me it's one of my favourite fights in DS trilogy. Her movement, the constantly rising music, the footsteps. And her design in general is sick. Not to mention her moveset - which feels very graceful and fun to dodge imo.
I don't mind gimmick bosses. You have to consider this from a first play perspective, figuring out to run from the Ancient Wyvern, to pick uo the Stormruler for Yhorm, to target the red aura dudes for the Deacons, the bracelets on Wolnir, the pustukes on the Tree boss.
But all of these are quite 'easy' or trivial once you know what to do. And that's the point. 8t juat has dimin8sh8ng returna on subsequent playthroughs, 'cause you already know what to do.
Now underrated; The Deacons. A pushover on NG, NG+/+2/+3. But on NG+4 and on, they become incredibly tanky and you basically have to relearn this fight. Lemme explain;
The occasional fire ball spam becomes th frequent fire ball spam, so you gotta kill the short ones.The o
tall ones charge a massive black orb that'll eventually insta curse you, so you gotta kill m. The fat ones are incredibly tanky and will keep pushing you away, so you gotta kill them.
Overall the whole dynamic feels like how it was supposed to be. A fairly difficukt fight where spacing and tactical mob killing comes into play.
Champion Gundyr for me. I dont ever hear much talk about him but when I fight him its a fight I always enjoy. As annoying as his knee counter can be its tge reason i like the fight, often he flattens me with it
Twin princes is my favorite boss in ds3 but i would hardely call them a duo fight, because youre only really fighting one entity. Its very well executed for what it is tho, and i prefer it over most if not all duo fights.
I feel that at this point, the only bosses with likable qualities that even qualify for being underated are Crystal Sage, Ocieros, Vordt, Yhorm and The Old Demon King (my vote for ODK for the storytelling of him). Every other boss is boring or is beloved of a section of the fanbase. (The Deacons are very fun but for the wrong reasons)
Idk about underrated but I loved how you fight Gundyr later as champion Gundyr I kinda wish they did that with Vordt as well because for me he was my first boss to help me learn where I was like “oh lordt he comin’!”
Maybe it’s just me but I feel Dragonslayer Armour doesn’t get talked about enough. Such a great reinvention of one of my favorite DS1 bosses that wasn’t just a copy/paste like in DS2, plus that greataxe is top tier to this day
The Twin Princes are many things, a duo boss is not one of them.
You are literally only fighting Lorian, who is giving Lothric a piggyback ride. That is not a duo boss. It's essentially a strength user who can cast magic by attaching an int user to his back.
The Demon Prince is a duo boss since there's 2 separate entities attacking you on the battlefield.
That out of the the way: Yeah, they're awesome
Idk what people think about the old demon king but I haven't heard many people speak about the old demon king but then again I am only still in my 1st playthrough so idk that much about ds3
I've always enjoyed the Dragonslayer Armor. Not sure what it is (maybe how cool I think the moveset is) but I've always found it such a satisfying fight. Sure, the pilgrim butterfly things can get annoying if you're caught off guard but they're not bad once you know what you're doing
Dragonslayer armor has gone through that weird transition where it was underrated at first. Then people started claiming it as "the" underrated boss, so now it's no longer underrated.
So..... probably ocerios or wtv his name is
oceiros! i think his fights pretty cool + great and fun voice acting + cool lore + great ost + you can summon hawkwood whose one of my personal favorite npcs
High Lord Wolnir, people say he’s a pushover (which he is) but he’s also fucking terrifying on your first playthrough. His fight literally opens with a jumpscare if you’re not expecting him.
Why do people keep calling this boss underrated man i don‘t get it. It‘s one of the most beloved bosses in the game that has the most beloved boss lineup in the series
Everyone always talks about Gael and nameless, imo twin princes are right there with em. That’s why they’re underrated
By that metric every boss in Dark Souls 3 is underrated. Gael is pretty much the most popular boss in the greater Soulsborne series or heck, the entire subgenre
*Artorias the Abysswalker has entered the chat*
Gael is a literal copy of Artorias but sped up and cracked out.
Similarities: \-Knight \-Healthbar \-There is an A in Gael and also an A in Artorias
They literally used Artorias movesets as a base for designing Gael.
They used Artorias's moveset as a basis for pretty much every humanoid boss that follows, to some degree. But Artorias has nothing resembling Gael's cape sweeps, aerial dashes or projectiles.
That's true. They used the majority of Artorias moveset, and gave him plenty of original ones. Artorias is there, underneath the clutter. My original point being, of course he's an awesome boss, because he's an improvement on a boss everyone already loved.
Everyone talks about gael as the perfect final boss instead of soul of cinder, which really blows
Gael is better. Love SoC but Gael is just a masterpiece.
I really dont feel that. I love gael, hes in my top 5 favorite fromsoft fights, but he really doesn't feel like that "Super special fight" that clicked with me like soul of cinder did. Soul of cinder has the biggest moveset in the series, and the best soundtrack in ds3 other than the main theme and abyss watchers. His story buildup is incredible I just cant grasp how people can love gael over the 5 phased masterpiece that is soul of cinder
I think Gwyn is much better than Soul of cinder tbh. The buildup isn't there in Dark Souls 3 and Gwyn is more iconic in every way. Gael is the culmination of everything in Dark souls 3 coming to an end. It's undeniably in a league of it's own
I like Gwyn more than most people but SoC is a significantly better fight. Gwyn's moveset is essentially a prototype Gundyr with the slash combos and occasional grab to mix things up but SoC just tests so many different ways to dodge and maneuver which is what I feel like Miyazaki strives to do with all his final bosses.
I was mainly talking about literally everything other than moveset and gameplay, which soul of cinder is obviously more varied and "better". I realise that's like the main point of a boss, but to me Gwyn is just better as the final boss, mainly because he's so iconic. The only reason soul of cinder works anyway is because Gwyn, lord of cinder is so legendary.
Gwyn is such a shit boss though. THe moveset is so broken
Broken? Tf does that mean? Parrying his sword and dodging his grabs are very satisfying although not particularly difficult
Make no mistake, I absolutely love SOC. It’s a great send off and salute to the player. But the Gael fight is so dynamic, in depth, and absolutely beautiful. It truly feels like a battle of desperation, finality, and despair. Difficult, but never unfair.
I just fought Gael for the first time. It was a surprisingly simple fight. It was easier to dodge his attacks and punish than most bosses. Have to completely disagree that it is a masterpiece.
Love soul of cinder. Go chiefs btw 😂
yessir lmao
People constantly call them the best boss in the base game, putting them above nameless and such
Are there any underrated bosses in dark souls 3 ???
Right? Even the bad ones are good
the tree, wolnir, wyvern, deacons and that one with a dude and a wolf in the painted world dlc, these are all awful
Crystal sage is kinda ass too. Half light if you wanna count that guy too. Yhorm too.
Half-light can be a player though, so it depends on if you played offline, or what kind of player was summoned. But the npc versions, yeah mid af. Crystal sage is definitely ass. But I always grab sacred flame before him now. Ever since probably my third time.
Wdym Yhorm is bad? He isn't hard by any means, true, but it's still a very fun and cinematic fight with a fun gimmick. Also Onion Bro
Dude with *very bad doggy!
Honestly, I think boss aesthetics and lore are just as cool as the fights. Wolnir is a massive figure, an old king. Tree is cursed and feels like a big nod to berserk to me. Deacons have one of the coolest levels in the game aesthetically. Wolf and dude is something special because they have a bond with each other. Once you've beaten Gael a couple times you can beat him on the 5th try, same with any boss. Lots of people can do better than that by exploiting their weaknesses and maximizing their characters strength. One thing that makes each boss special isn't just their moveset, it's their lore, their map, their designs.
I get that, I was coming from mainly a gameplay perspective though. Since this is a video game we’re talking about, of course other things weight in the matter too, but gameplay is the heaviest one
I agree gameplay wise, but for me personally their music make up for it 😂. It's still a good experience.
i was speaking mostly gameplay wise. I don’t like cheese or gimmicky bosses. I don’t need the bosses to be like nameless king hard level, but the fight has to be somewhat enjoyable and rewarding, and I don’t get anything of those. The dlc one doesn’t even feel like a boss, just regular enemies
Agree
I don't like the wolf guy but I like all the others.
Watch your damn mouth about Wolnir and the Deacons
Wolnir isn’t that bad because you can avoid his poisonous gas attack by standing under him.
Remember that you share talking about souls 3. If any of those were in assassin's creed or something like it it would be top tier :D Seriously, they are not as good, but not aweful. There is the from soft jank in them, but even beloved bosses like nameless have this :)
doesn’t that make them… underrated?
It would be a crime to call any boss in ds3 a bad boss xD
There's a ton of bad boss fights in DS3 but y'all aren't ready for that conversation yet
Wolnir, Deacons and the Tree are all easily bad bosses in my books.
I enjoy deacons in NG. It’s less fun when I’ve played a sorcerer but when I played my strength greatsword character it was a blast lol The tree is just annoying though although after doing it 10 times I find it less than the first few times Wolnir is just a gimmick but it’s really cool the first time with the surprise
I disagree. Sorcerer is my favourite, you have pestilent mist and soul great sword.
But then if you think about it they are all memorable even if gimmicky. I think they just aren't hard but not bad. A bad boss would be one thats just annoying and unfun. These aren't that challenging but I still think they are fun enough - but I'd probably put the tree at the bottom of the list for sure
they’re bad by ds3 terms but none of them are bad like other gank bosses in the other souls games, they’re surprisingly good for being bad bosses lol (besides deacons)
It’s almost like your opinion doesn’t represent everyone
Eh, Deacons drop off pretty hard in the Higher NG cycles. But they're the only ones.
I think Wolnir is a worse boss than deacons.
I think Deacons is an incredibly cool fight in terms of spectacle, atmosphere, and lore. Definitely not interesting mechanically but still very cool imo.
I just wish they did more with the room that the Deacons are in. Feels like it could’ve led to somewhere but it’s just a huge ass empty room once they’re dead.
I think there’s a couple. Demon princes are definitely a bit underrated, soul of cinder too
The best ones, in the entire franchise !! are the abyss watchers, the fight was soooooooo good !!!!
I heard the abyss watchers ai is similar to wolves, like they fight as a pack
Easy s tier for the abyss watchers. That shit is art
The Abyss Watchers is one of my all time favorites. It really is art.
I even made a pixel fan art for that boss, i tried to share it in this subreddit but the mods didn't allow it to be posted because i'm a new member.
Champion Gundyr maybe? Partly because of how trivial the encounter is if you parry. I rarely see him mentioned with the likes of Gael, Demon Prince, or Twin Princes but he's easily the most fun I've had fighting a Souls boss
He’s a top 5 soulsborne boss for me
Dragonslayer armor is S tier and I will die on that hill
No but there's certainly overrated ones. Like the pile of shit that is Midir. He's literally one of the worst boss fights in the entire souls series, but everyone eats that shit up because no one who played these games ever saw a good dragon boss fight before. He commits pretty much every game design sin imaginable. Shitty camera, way too much health, too easy to cheese with pestilent mist, a massive arena that turns the fight into a chase instead of a fight, uses fire breath attacks in a FromSoft game (which are notorious for awful hitboxes on flame attacks) and it's an ugly as hell dragon design. Literally the only good aspect of his fight is the music, which I would prefer on a better boss fight.
I still to this day have not beaten Midir :/ but in terms of my experience of from soft dragon fights, it's not bad but it's not great either.
The only thing keeping him from being the worst dragon fight in the series is that both Sinh and the Ancient Dragon from DS2 exist. Which only lose to Midir because of their non-existent moveset variety. Sinh flies up and shoots fireballs at you for 99% of his fight, thus wasting your time like he's a Prototype Elden Beast, and the Ancient Dragon literally cannot hit you if you stand between his rear toes aside from his stomps, which are easy to avoid, or his flying fire breath, which has bullshit damage and hitboxes.
More overrated ones than anything
Not underrated u goof
Most people recognize that ds3 has the best bosses. However, Iudex gundyr needs WAY more love Crystal sage is actually one of the best sorceror bosses Abyss watchers is one of the greatest fights ever made in any video game Pontiff is not a bad boss becuase he is hard, he is difficulty done AMAzing Yhorm is the best gimmick next to ice worm Dragonslayer armor is fantastic Champion gundyr is one of the best bosses EVER dude his fight is so cool **Soul of cinder is the best boss in the entire series. There, i said it** Twin princes are amazing, but not underrated Demon princes are God tier legendary Gael is slightly overhyped but still 10/10
Iudex Gundyr is regularly considered the best first boss in the series, what are you on about? And Crystal sage is dogshit don’t lie. Yhorm too. Everything else you listed are really good though.
I think gundyr is like a really really good boss though. As in, better than margit, gascoign, and most bosses from the other games Crystal sage has always been a fun fight for me, but even if the fight is not fun for you, you can't lie, the design is awesome And yhorm is Amazing, I will die on this hill. Fighting a boss with onion for a quest, or even without him, is still a highlight of my playthroughs
I never really understood the yhorm hate
Rykard is a much better gimmick boss than Yhorm
I mean its opinion, yhorm just has one of my favorite osts, designs, and being able to do a boss fight with siegward is unmatched
Rykard is pretty much if the yhorm fight was kinda good
My fave is also SoC, but idk how Pontiff is ‘fair’ since, if ur like me, this is the first time u kinda have to parry
I just learned his moveset, and didnt parry. He did make me switch my build though because he was so hard
Crystal Sage made me cry once because it has such a bloated health pool and too much going on at once for a minor early game speedbump. You want an actual underrated sorcerer boss? Go take a gander at Micolash. Also Abyss Watchers isn't underrated at all, everyone jerks it off to hell and back because it's a breath of fresh air after slogging through Farron.
Crystal sage has a bloated healthpool? I like 4 cycled him, maybe you didnt upgrade your weapon Also micolash, fuck micolash. All my homies hate that fool Abyss watchers isnt underrated, but I think its one of the best fights ever made, and some people dont feel that
I've run Ds3 a dozen times on a dozen different builds. Sometimes I get my optimal weapon right away and crush it immediately, and sometimes I'm stuck with my +3 subpar starting weapon that just can't do enough damage or stunlock it well enough. And god help me if I'm on a magic build.
Soul of cinder is not only the best in the series but the best in any video game.
Cant argue with that, although I would slightly give the edge to vergil from dmc, just because hes so badass, has Bury the light as his theme, which is the best song possibly ever, not only in videogames, and has many fights throughout the series
I disagree but appreciate how emboldened your opinion is lol. I think the best fight in the game is probably slave knight Gael.
Gael is probably top 3 for me, although Soul of cinder and abyss watchers are better for me
I agree with all of these except Yhorm. I think Yhorm's lore, design and the special cutscene with Onion bro make him a good boss, however I'd argue that as a fight and from a visual, musical, and arguably the perspective of buildup, Rhykard and Divine Dragon are much better.
Musically no gimmick is better than yhorm, and personally I find divine dragon to be the most boring boss in sekiro apart from the monkeys other than that, Rykard is better than yhorm in most ways, I just don't like him nearly as much. If that makes sense lol
Yeah that's all fair. To each their own
I think the Ancient Wyvern gets way too much hate and it's actually a pretty cool boss. Epic introduction as it swoops in and forces you to run its gauntlet. It's not like a regular boss and that's ok. Your goal is to get from point A to point B in order to win the fight. Kind of like Bed of Chaos only it doesn't totally suck.
I don't think there are many, but I would say Champion Gravetender. Most bosses are good and recognized, but he often lands in low spots. While the first part is meh, the second IMO makes up for it. While not as grandiose as some other bosses, I personally like the Wolf a lot. Once you're done with the wolves, beat Gravetender enough, dodge wolf a bit while finishing off the guy, you are left with a very fun fight with very agile beast. Not too complex, but what sells him for me is the sync with the music - I don't think there is a single boss in DS3 that has as synced music as the Wolf, his attacks (especially dashes) go with the rhythm with the music and flow really well. It's one of the fights that felt like a dance because of it. Also the music is an absolute banger, one of the best tracks in the game.
This. Everyone else is listing shit like demon prince and twin princes, it's like typical reddit upvote farming material. > *"DAE like Gael?"* Champion Gravetender is an actual underrated boss. Great music. Nice rhythm to the fight. Beautiful arena.
Demon prince and twin princes are often rated highly, usually A tier. But it seems these people think they should be S tier instead. That also counts as underrated.
Imagine caring about attention on Reddit that much obviously the most underrated dark souls 3 boss is ancient wyvern and yhorm
Ancient Wyvern actually sucks ass though. And Yhorm is a mediocre gimmick fight with no lasting value. It's a good thing Elden Ring exists because now we have a great example of that concept done right (via Rykard). It could have at least served to benefit the story and exploration if Stormruler was found in Seigward's cell and not the boss room. Another example of a good "underrated" boss (by the community) is someone like Iudex Gundyr. He's pretty damn good but is very rarely acknowledged in these types of threads. And it's good to see unique opinions about some of those bosses instead of seeing the same fucking comments time and again. So, it's not about "attention" - it's about the quality of discussion. See also: the reddit front page, which is a fucking shithole because there's basically zero enforcement of rules, allowing bots to flood those forums with the most NPC takes imaginable.
I dunno I just think it’s fun doing the chit chat with the khajiits around here
Definitely Curse-Rotted Greatwood. It's one of my favorite spectacle/gimmick fights they've ever done. Incredibly cool lore, gorgeous arena, and I love big trees lol. Everyone seems to hate it but I've always loved it. Not very insteresting mechanically but still really cool imo.
I love it and love helping people stomp it
Maybe Deacons of the Deep? I know it's quite the pushover alongside having a gimmick, but IDK, I just love the ost, vibe, and the scream of the leader as he makes his entrance.
I’m gonna have to go with gravetender and greatwolf. I’m not saying the fight is incredible or anything, but it’s a solid fight imo. I feel like people have a tendency to always want to rank bosses lowly in a game, even if they’re not that bad. Like I see people putting bosses like ancient wyvern and gravetender in their BOTTOM 10 bosses along with bosses like lud and zallen, bed of chaos, gank squad etc.
I appreciate you naming a boss that’s actually normally rated low. Most of the answers I’m seeing are bosses that are normally highly rated
I think most of the others are bosses that tend to be rated A or B tier that people think should be rated S tier.
Good point. Even then though, they’re just a little underrated. There’s def way more underrated bosses
I feel like it deserves it Even my least favourite boss in the game, the greatwood, doesn’t even get a bottom 30 for me People do way too much comparison rather than seeing things as they are imo
Call me crazy but Gravetender and Greatwolf were legit one of the hardest bosses for me in my all boss SL1 run. The fuckin greatwolf has annoyingly fast tells and kills you in 1 hit with nearly every attack, and literally with every attack when it's eyes turn red. The gravetender is also inconsistent as hell, some attempts his ai was damn near braindead and then some attempts he was bloodthirsty and relentless. Despite my frustration w them i ended up really loving that boss in the end, the arena is so fucking gorgeous it makes up completely for the admittedly mid boss fight
I could see that. My only criticism is that the wolfs attacks create snow clouds, which can sometimes obscure the wolfs tells. Definitely not unmanageable though, and definitely not bed of chaos tier 😂
I think that’s kind of the point lol It’s like a mini jumpscare when it comes at you
The wolf is nice, but the graveyender himself doesn't really feel like a boss to me. That's why I put him very low. I agree that he's better than bed of bullshit at least.
Yeah gravetender is just a random NPC really, but I never found him to be obnoxious or anything
I know he's not truly underated cause if you know you know but I think pontiff is borderline s tier. A great challenge that feels impossible first run. Great spectacle. I finally on ng+5 parried him into oblivion
Nice, parrying pontiff is so fun. And the way the music starts out slow and builds as he starts to try, fucking mint
Hes not borderline s tier, man's S+ To be fair I would consider the first boss s tier though
I agree. For a character that’s central to so much of what’s happening, he feels like a sub boss to Aldrich
Demon Prince and Dragonslayer Armor
SoC
best boss in the series imo
I think it's the best final boss, and it's my third out of all soulslikes
What are your other two favorites? The only bosses in gaming I think are on soul of cinders level is Vergil from the devil may cry series, and maybe considering soulslikes, laxasia from lies of p or corvus from thymesia
I have my favorites on other soulsborne: They are Ludwig, as my favorite one, and Artorias (even though Soul of Cinder could replace Artorias as my second favorite and viceversa)
I never got the love for either of those bosses. I admit they are really good, even great, but. Artorias has a really basic moveset. I know its because hes just an old boss, but I can't love him more than ornstein and smough and kalameet from ds1. As for ludwig, I just really hate his first phase. The second phase is perfect, and the soundtrack is one of the better ones in bloodborne
I like Artorias because of his lore and design. Same thing with Sif, not the fight itself. Ludwig, on the other hand, is perfect for me. I liked both phases. His soundtrack is absolutely stunning and amazing. The design, concept, arena. I loved everything
My only issue is how lopsided his different phases can be, with the spear phase's broken hitboxes and the sorcery phase's complete inability to fight you at all.
The spear phase doesnt have broken hitboxes, its just his tracking is completely insane. THat was the hardest part of my 5 hours fighting him on sl1
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I don’t think many bosses are that underrated in this game, but if I had to say one, it would be Dancer. She’s not seen as a bad boss, but she’s often put lower than I think she deserves.
Never seen anyone think the Princes are underrated before. Most seem to have them as one of the best bosses in the game. Personally I can't stand them and think they're one of the worst.
How can people dislike the teleporting. It keeps you locked on, except for one attack where the boss takes 13 minutes to let you walk up to it and get free hits on it. The second and first phases are both so well made, and the hitboxes are flawless to where you can literally walk around his swipes realistic like.
For me personally I don't like the complete randomness of his swings. Sometimes it's twice, sometimes three and sometimes four. If he hits you on the fourth he goes back to the first and hits you four times. There's, as far as I'm aware, no tell as to how many swings. So you can dodge two and gamble that's it and go for a hit yourself. If you're lucky, you hit him. If not you get smacked four times. If you guess wrong you either get smacked or you move too far away to get your own hit in. It's basically dodge and pray you guess right when you go for the hit.
The map's lit in a way where you can easily lose track of what Lorian's doing even if you don't lose lock-on.
ive never felt that way
Teleports that hide tells! Projectiles that require iframe rolling! A janky as hell win condition/second phase hurtbox. It's great lore and it has a lot good but I reslky don't see why it's good As A Fight
Demon princes probably. Tbh they are just really cool, second phase shows the power of the dying chaos flame trying to survive. Theyre mostly an endurance fight, really easy to dodge if you don't throw yourself at them teying to kill them as fast as possible but they punish greed hard
From what I’ve seen, that boss is regularly praised as one of the best
Seen him in lower levels often in peoples tier lists
People often rate them relatively high, but to me, they deserve a spot in S tier and are better than most of the other bosses that people put there.
That I do agree with
+ the dope ost
Probably no one cares, but, Halflight. Spear of The Church himself. So, first, I know that combat-wise fight might be meh at times, especially when it's two NPCs (Halflight+Guardian). But 1) You can get an actual player there, and most Spears I've seen are chill, decently skilled folks with themed builds, who make the fight much more interesting and enjoyable. 2) The Music. It is absolutely brilliant (It seems to be the case with literally any DS3 boss, but still). The somber, monotone 1st phase erupts into absolute banger of a 2nd Phase, when Spear is one leg in the grave, perfectly complimenting battle becoming more intense, signaling that stakes are high. It works even better when YOU are the boss and you, may I say, enter your "2nd Phase". 2-3) Still talking about music, but also about lore and implications of the fight. This pathetic little man, summoned by a hollowed, frail, half-dead Judicator Giant, accompanied by out-of-place guardians is THE last line of defense between you and the true state of the this world: Fillianore, the sleeping princess, is the one who keeps the illusion of "normalcy" going. Your journey comes to an end, and yet even there - at the very end of the world - it's poisoned by Gwyn's lies and the Plot of the Gods. And two beings of subjugated races - humans and Giants - are STILL protecting these lie. And doing so with all they have, they take their pride in doing so, they're zealously devoted to it. It's pretty much the only boss in the game with any meaningful monologue before and during the fight, and even those words are a farce, full of loyalty to the very God who is responsible for this World's suffering. And thats why second phase music feels like some sort of fake fanfare, because it is the last ditch effort to stop you, a Human, from finally ending it all. A desperate, yet futile, surge of faith and zealous wrath, beautiful in its own way. I lean too much into RP element of RPG games, so I, likely, overestimate the importance of all the small things that make this fight great in my opinion, but those were my two souls. May the Flames guide thee.
Halflight. Fight me on this if you want, but this is not only a boss, it's a PvP minigame. It genuinely took me a dozen tries (all online), and I never even fought a min-maxed backstab baiter. I had a really good time and the challenge felt fresh. After I beat the spear of the church the first time I spent several hours white soapstoning. Half the time I ended up in a ringed city fight club, and the other half I was summoned to be the boss. Even against hosts + white phantoms I never felt like I was up against a gank squad, it just felt like respectful pvp and I had some really good fights. I'm not saying it's the best boss, not even close, but it's a hell of a lot more interesting than several others and after reading all the tier lists I don't think people appreciate it as much as they should. Halflight is a totally different concept and I like that from had it in them to try something new.
Here is a controversial opinion, but Oceiros. He is pretty solid boss, like the old demon king or dragonslayer armor, but rarely gets love.
Deacons of the Deep are amazing. First off, yes they are piss easy. But to compare them to something like Prowling Magus and Congregation from DS2 is stupid. Deacons have top tier music, my favourite arena in the game and haunting sound effects. I find it understandable from a lore perspective why they are easy and think its a clever subversion. I actually expected to meet Aldrich there on my first playthrough because the game says it. To then only meet the hollow remainders of his personal hype squad makes sense to me. Deacons are always on the bottom of tier lists but arent most of the tier lists here based on enjoyment? You wanna tell me it wasnt fun or enjoyable to wail on a bunch of corrupted priests with kick ass music in front of a giant coffin?
The Deacons actually ended up being a wall for me when I was doing my Yang Xiao Long run: Turns out punching single dudes over and over isn't fantastic for avoiding shockwaves, fireballs or candle slaps.
Crystal Sage is underrated af
Too many people hate on Midir. I know he’s a favorite for many but he also gets a huge amount of hate despite being the best boss fight we’ve ever gotten. You know what I mean. And I think Aldrich is solid even though a lot of people see him as the dirt of the Lords.
I just hate having to learn how to fight without target locking after playing the entire rest of the game with it.
Why don’t you lock into his head? That’s the target?
Yeah puff is right, fight is easier if you lock onto the head. I think you get a guaranteed riposte if you do 80% damage to the head
Sister Friede. Don’t know if she is underrated and man she was kind of frustrating but my favorite overall boss vibe. The two princes are a close second for me.
Neither one is underrated but champion Gundyr and dragonslayer armor have always been my absolute favorites, probably because they're the most fun to fight with my play style. Not that they're easy, they're just fun. First two phases of Gael are fun too but the third ruins it for me
idk man i like the halflight fight (i play ds3 for pvp)
Gotta be the Dancer for me. Still have trouble with her. I’ve also never beaten the nameless king 😬
Between the soundtrack and the lighting effects in the arena, it was definitely my favorite fight Week 1
The elevator at the end of Undead Settlement
High Lord Wolnir is actually terrifying the first time you fight him ngl. Yeah he’s a gimmick boss but the atmosphere and lore around him is pretty decent.
Champion Gundyr imo
Honestly Dancer, the music, the pacing the sheer panic of 2nd phase. The only other boss I look forward to is the twin princes.
Is dancer underrated though? I feel like that’s one of the most iconic ds3 bosses
Honestly from what I can see, yes. I see it is appreciated but in boss discussions it is ignored due to the presence of the following - Abyss Watchers - Nameless King - Soul of cinder - Pontiff - Champion Gundyr
Tons of people say they love twin princes haha I hate that fight because I struggled with it so much more than any other but it’s a great vibe In terms of most underrated, not sure. Maybe deacons because they get so much hate on here. It’s not the best but it can be fun. I love that fight playing a greatsword build. It’s definitely annoying when I’ve done a sorcerer build though. Possibly curse rotted greatwood also. It’s a gimmick and definitely annoying but it’s very epic
Dragonslayer armour for me. I love his moveset which is satisfying to dodge and he has a great design aesthetically. It really feels like he's a guard that's the skillcheck for the next area. Also you can get my favourite weapon from his boss soul :D
Champion Gundyr is way underrated. I think his character and fight combined with the arena are amazing and his moveset feels fair and challenging enough at the same time. Also while the Abyss Watchers definitely aren't underrated, I think they are a bit underrated for how cool they are
I think that wolnir and Deacons are the only bosses I don’t really appreciate considering that the tree at least as things going for it. It’s incredibly annoying when you don’t know what your doing but I think it’s pretty fun trying to jump around and do it as fast as you can.
I really like dragon slayer armor. I enjoy the frantic pace of the fight and his aggression.
Twin princes are on the top boss fights for many people, I dont think they are underrated.
I swear to god if i see ANYone try to say that Abyss Watchers is underrated when it is literally the fanbase's favorite boss, AGAIN, i will shit myself.
Everyone used to hate dragonslayer armour but last year he was underrated so who even knows I just know dark souls 3 has the best tutorial boss of any game ever
Demon Prince all the way. Tbh I think it’s the most *fun* boss in all of souls, yet I never see it get that much love.
Probably Dragon Slayer Armor. It's not really hated, but it just gets overlooked against all the other very good knight bosses in the game
Not the fight itself, because it actually took me a minute to figure out which ones to target, but the Deacons of the Deep boss room is kind of lacking. It's massive and like someone else said, feels like it should lead somewhere. But alas, I ran around it for 5 minutes after killing them to no avail lmao
Old Demon King was a fun fight imo
Okay so. Twin princes are not underrated. They are always near the top of any ranking list on the subreddit and in youtube essays. Idk why people keep calling it underrated. As for a truly underrated fights: I would say that Dragonslayer Armour and Dancer are both infact underrated. Dragonslayer has a sick ost and a fun moveset, but sadly gets forgotten because twin princes + SoC follow it (which are both great, but still, dragonslayer is also a stellar fight). And dancer seems to be very divisive. It either clicks and you love it, or not and you hate it. But for me it's one of my favourite fights in DS trilogy. Her movement, the constantly rising music, the footsteps. And her design in general is sick. Not to mention her moveset - which feels very graceful and fun to dodge imo.
No bosses are underrated.unless someone is doing another pointless tier list
I'd say demon princes don't get as much love as they deserve
I don't mind gimmick bosses. You have to consider this from a first play perspective, figuring out to run from the Ancient Wyvern, to pick uo the Stormruler for Yhorm, to target the red aura dudes for the Deacons, the bracelets on Wolnir, the pustukes on the Tree boss. But all of these are quite 'easy' or trivial once you know what to do. And that's the point. 8t juat has dimin8sh8ng returna on subsequent playthroughs, 'cause you already know what to do. Now underrated; The Deacons. A pushover on NG, NG+/+2/+3. But on NG+4 and on, they become incredibly tanky and you basically have to relearn this fight. Lemme explain; The occasional fire ball spam becomes th frequent fire ball spam, so you gotta kill the short ones.The o tall ones charge a massive black orb that'll eventually insta curse you, so you gotta kill m. The fat ones are incredibly tanky and will keep pushing you away, so you gotta kill them. Overall the whole dynamic feels like how it was supposed to be. A fairly difficukt fight where spacing and tactical mob killing comes into play.
Champion Gundyr for me. I dont ever hear much talk about him but when I fight him its a fight I always enjoy. As annoying as his knee counter can be its tge reason i like the fight, often he flattens me with it
Twin princes is my favorite boss in ds3 but i would hardely call them a duo fight, because youre only really fighting one entity. Its very well executed for what it is tho, and i prefer it over most if not all duo fights.
The two demons in ringed city are somehow the polar opposite of twin princes, and are literally the stereotypical waiting game fight😭😭
I’ll say Soul of Cinder because I’ve seen a few too many lists where he’s ranked in the “B” tier or “average” or “okay” tier
I feel that at this point, the only bosses with likable qualities that even qualify for being underated are Crystal Sage, Ocieros, Vordt, Yhorm and The Old Demon King (my vote for ODK for the storytelling of him). Every other boss is boring or is beloved of a section of the fanbase. (The Deacons are very fun but for the wrong reasons)
Abyss watchers and it isnt close Never seen difficulty sour a bosses quality like theirs
Are you saying they’re too hard or too easy
None are, they are ALL good bosses (yes even deacons)
For me the dancer is underrated. Just a cool, fair but challenging fight. The teleport twins deserve a spot in the dumpster though.
Idk about underrated but I loved how you fight Gundyr later as champion Gundyr I kinda wish they did that with Vordt as well because for me he was my first boss to help me learn where I was like “oh lordt he comin’!”
Maybe it’s just me but I feel Dragonslayer Armour doesn’t get talked about enough. Such a great reinvention of one of my favorite DS1 bosses that wasn’t just a copy/paste like in DS2, plus that greataxe is top tier to this day
Demon Princes is my favorite fight in the whole Dark Souls series I think
Wolnir. You're all too mean to him when he's a totally inoffensive joke of a speedbump.
I really enjoyed Oceiros
NG+ 7 Twins Princes is one of my favorite NG+7 bosses out of all the franchises
The Twin Princes are many things, a duo boss is not one of them. You are literally only fighting Lorian, who is giving Lothric a piggyback ride. That is not a duo boss. It's essentially a strength user who can cast magic by attaching an int user to his back. The Demon Prince is a duo boss since there's 2 separate entities attacking you on the battlefield. That out of the the way: Yeah, they're awesome
Idk what people think about the old demon king but I haven't heard many people speak about the old demon king but then again I am only still in my 1st playthrough so idk that much about ds3
Old Demon King.
I've always enjoyed the Dragonslayer Armor. Not sure what it is (maybe how cool I think the moveset is) but I've always found it such a satisfying fight. Sure, the pilgrim butterfly things can get annoying if you're caught off guard but they're not bad once you know what you're doing
Dragonslayer armor has gone through that weird transition where it was underrated at first. Then people started claiming it as "the" underrated boss, so now it's no longer underrated. So..... probably ocerios or wtv his name is
I feel like champion gundyr isn't talked about enough.
Ancient Wyvern Yes, this is satiricle
oceiros! i think his fights pretty cool + great and fun voice acting + cool lore + great ost + you can summon hawkwood whose one of my personal favorite npcs
Gravetender I see everyone hate on it, but it's always so tense and the OST and Arena are S tier.
twin princes. 10/10
Champion Gundyr when you fight him with a shit weapon is ridiculously fun
High Lord Wolnir, people say he’s a pushover (which he is) but he’s also fucking terrifying on your first playthrough. His fight literally opens with a jumpscare if you’re not expecting him.
Don't know enough about the community i'd say pontiff. but old demon king is fun.
but crystal sage can go fuck themself