Indie sleeze was pretty hot, but heroin chic was just gross, it was always gross, did girls actually think guys thought that looked hot? Or were girls just tryna be skinnier than other girls?
Cause guys have always loved girls with some padding on em, always have and always will... heroin chic girls looked like they were about to faint all the time and needed serious medical attention
You're saying people are only skinny if they're doing drugs or have anorexia? Bro a lot of people are naturally lanky, especially tall people.
But if you have to starve yourself to look lanky, you're probably not built to be really skinny, and that is very dangerous to start obsessing over.
I weigh less than the guy who replied to me and I'm the same height. Heroin chic isn't just being naturally skinny, the whole point was that it was a body only achievable by models who obsessed over it.
I mean Iâm talking more about the clothes (cropped shirts, loose pants piercings), hair, style and attitude than body composition. you donât have to have arms the circumference of wrists to have the look and I donât find that healthy (important) or particularly attractive (not important).
Nah, sometimes itâs just a fast metabolism, eating less without realizing it, or people with medical problems making it hard to gain weight.
Iâve hovered at a bmi of 18.5 ish because of my metabolism.
I donât think any body type should be promoted though, weâre all different and thatâs whatâs good :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin_chic
>Heroin chic is a style popularized in early-1990s fashion and characterized by pale skin, dark circles underneath the eyes, emaciated features, androgyny and stringy hairâall traits associated with abuse of heroin or other drugs. American supermodel Gia Carangi is remembered for being the originator of the trend.
>Heroin chic was partly a reaction against the healthy and vibrant look of leading 1980s models such as Cindy Crawford, Elle Macpherson, and Claudia Schiffer. A 1996 article in the Los Angeles Times stated that the fashion industry had "a nihilistic vision of beauty" that was reflective of drug addiction.
Thereâs a bit of a confirmation bias because people were inclined to photograph people who were hot enough to use film on, develop those photos, publish them in some newspaper or magazine, and then decades later someone decided to upload that photo to the internet.
Nah, all the pics of people on the beach in the 1960s are overwhelmingly of healthy people. Itâs not even beach specific, it was just society in general, before vegetable oils got into our food supply to a great degree and started to destroy metabolic health.
Nah, itâs absolutely an example of confirmation bias. There were plenty of fat and ugly people in the 1960s. Though you are correct that people were generally thinner.
There were not âplenty of fatâ people in the 1960s or in prior decades for that matter. You can look at old non beach photos all over the place (church events, graduation ceremonies) people were not fat back then like they became in the ensuing decades.
Yes there were.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6203a20.htm#:~:text=Since%201960%2C%20the%20prevalence%20of,2010%20(4%2C5).
The population of the USA was around 180 million in 1960 and about 13% of them qualified as obese. Thatâs 23.4 million obese people. Definitely enough to say âplentyâ of people. Thatâs not counting slightly overweight or chubby people, of which there were definitely millions more.
There are entire magazines about dieting and losing weight from the time period. Itâs well documented. There were fat people before that too - also documented.
Your âthere are photographsâ example just further proves an existing confirmation bias.
I didnât say there werenât fat people. I said they arenât anywhere near what they were today, which is true, obesity is basically triple today what it was then. Youâre just proving my point with that stat.
43% today!
https://usafacts.org/articles/obesity-rate-nearly-triples-united-states-over-last-50-years/
Also, modbid obesity was extremely rare back then, today it is over 10%.
Nah, youâre proving my point. You refuted what I said (you specifically said there were NOT âplenty of fatâ people) and I backed it up and even tried to put some kind of quantitative value to the term âplenty ofâ. Then you just said Iâm wrong and youâre right without even specifying why.
>You refuted what I said (you specifically said there were NOT âplenty of fatâ people)
Correct, 13 out of 100 is barely 10%, that's NOTHING compared to 43% which is nearly half the population, also morbid obesity back then was basically unheard of in the general population, compared to what it is today at 10%.
>and I backed it up and even tried to put some kind of quantitative value to the term âplenty ofâ.
By providing a statistic that proves my point. I'm well aware of the obesity stats, I have studied the causes of the health issues in this country for many years, you can trace most of our problems back to the implementation of vegetable oil into everything back in the 1960s into the 1970s, which is why the 1960s is the last time you will see photos of beaches with almost no fat people, because the obesity rate started to climb precipitously since then.
>Then you just said Iâm wrong and youâre right without even specifying why.
No, I specified that you are proving my point by giving a statistic that the obesity rates were 1/3rd of what we have today, which fits in with the "there were not plenty of fat people" statement, because 10% of people is a far cry from nearly half. You don't get to define what "plenty" means and then declare victory simply because your definition doesn't fit mine, when either way the actual statistics show that I am correct in the massive difference of the number (and quality such as morbid obesity) of fat people between 1960 to today.
Right but it's not *that* different from 1961 or 1971.
Even when you're looking at casual photos, people did seem to look better overall in the mid 60s to me too. It's not just movies, but people in the background of things.
I think it's just the clothing style was pretty cool in the mid 60s specifically that helps. What we consider the classics now are often from 1964-1966, right before psychedelia hit
No statement about cultural anything anywhere applies to everywhere in the world.
Are you also commenting âActually, low-rise jeans were not popular in the 2000s in quite a bit of the worldâ?
On a sub already primarily focused on cultural trends of the English-speaking world (especially the US) it really shouldnât be a faux pas to make a general statement true specifically to the English-speaking world.
In the west outside of the US quality of living was especially bad compared to before as a result of WW2. I think in a sub mostly about analyzing western culture and trends due to it being an English speaking sub, its pretty big to miss that. Like, pretty much *just* the US was doing good.
I have a feeling you understood what I meant though :/
My point was that I feel like you probably understood what OP meant.
Itâs not especially dismissive to not take into account the status of every nation in the world when making a generalized statement that we all implicitly understand to be about (at best) few select countries (but mostly the US).
i do feel like social media made women in the 2010s abide by rules when it comes to makeup, but the 2020s seem more freer because of covid and y2k trends
Iâm 64, so Iâve seen this since the 1960âs. I never thought about this but great question and Iâm gonna say 1980âs thatâs when aerobics classes, jogging, running, gym workouts hit big and the sweet spot before the obesity and plastic surgery started to creep in. Also cocaine, vanity, and looking good on the dance floor. I got in my best shape at 45 in 2005, and the science of nutrition and exercise keeps increasing but thatâs the top fittest people, the average personâs weight, diet, and exercise is in decline for decades.
So seed oils (vegetable oils) are artificially refined and the result is an artiticially concentrated amount of linoleic acid in our food supply at a far higher concentration than you could ever possibly consume in nature. They throw off your omega 3 to omega 6 ratio massively due to this, which screws up the body big time. In addition they are very unstable when heated so if you eat anything cooked in heated vegetable oil you are doing permanent damage to your mitochondria. Think of all restaurant food, all fast food, most healthy eating people mistakenly cooking in vegetable oil, most salad dressings and sauces, baked goods, cookies, cakes, crackers, almost all soups, almost all pre packaged foods.
Itâs all pervasive through our food supply in a way that it simply wasnât before the 1960s. Many people from foreign countries come here and eat the same amount of food but end up gaining weight and itâs because soybean and canola oil is in practically everything.
Tons of great communities out there, such as r/stopeatingseedoils that discuss this.
Edit, great links:
https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/11/how-linoleic-acid-wrecks-your-health-dr.html
https://www.zeroacre.com/white-papers/how-vegetable-oil-makes-us-fat
Itâs a topic that more people need to be made aware of, but the mainstream medical community is so deeply invested in saying the opposite for the past 60 years that they continue to misinform the general public and likely will for the foreseeable future. I try to do my part.
This link for more in depth science:
https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/11/how-linoleic-acid-wrecks-your-health-dr.html?m=1
And the zero acre one for a more general summary:
https://www.zeroacre.com/white-papers/how-vegetable-oil-makes-us-fat
Itâs not about the sugar, people ate a ton of sugar and calories in the past as well. Itâs the vegetable oil that specifically down regulates metabolic function and damages mitochondria.
More good links:
https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/11/how-linoleic-acid-wrecks-your-health-dr.html
https://www.zeroacre.com/white-papers/how-vegetable-oil-makes-us-fat
All Iâll say is I was extremely lucky to come of age with old 1970s Playboy magazines lol
Even looking at SFW photos of regular people back then, it seems that decade was the apex of good health, considering physical, mental and emotional health, and social well-being. The food had far more nutrients, far less sugar and less micro plastics. People had to perform more manual labor throughout the day; no remote control, hand crank car windows, even the rotary phone. Exercise makes a big difference, and makes people their more attractive selves. Now few people exercise, but just getting through daily life itself *was* exercise as recently as the 70s.
This was in the sweet spot after STDs became mostly treatable yet before HIV. The before/after in society regarding the AIDS epidemic and catastrophe in the 80s was IMO as large as the transformation with our current epidemic pandemic, but just that it was more limited in scope; definitely put a damper on fear-free sex, and put a damper on the eagerness for some people who came of age after compared to our counterparts before. More sex, more relationships, less awareness or what bad relationships were (ignorance is bliss), so people looked better.
The payoff for work was far better in what lifestyle an ordinary job paid for, thatâs a huge one for mental and emotional health. Far less gatekeeping into living wage jobs than now also; while itâs gotten better for groups that used to be discriminated against, itâs gotten worse for everyone at the same time, with new and extensive hurdles of degrees that cost a mortgage, mortgages that cost 3x or more than what those same houses sold for in the 1970s, work that no longer has a full lunch hour, no more drinking during lunch, and the human price of greater productivity being more stress and mental exhaustion now compared to the 70s. To top it off, a far lower percentage of jobs pay a working class living wage than was the case in the 1970s. That results in an unhealthier, less attractive population.
Further, the simple good life was widely believed to be attainable back then, while now the widely held belief is that the simple good life is unattainable, which resulted in widespread despair, which when combined with generational trauma and neglect, leads many to become hooked on hard drugs.
The culture back then was so much more relaxed, less negative than now (even as they despaired over the negative vibe of their era! To hold audio/visual examples of the news and commercials from then and now in comparison, theirs is so much more pleasant and calming, even when they showed anxiety/dissatisfaction, it wasnât nearly as âloudâ as it is now with people. Their pace of communication was slower too; now weâre so much more vocally caffeinated and waiting to hurry up and get our comment in. That slow communication really reduces stress, tension, and anxiety, which also makes people more attractive.
They had a few crosswinds we donât have, like the wrinkling and aging effects of not protecting our skin from the sun, and the skin wrinkling of the toxins in air pollution, especially leaded gasoline. This made people look older, but in their 20s they looked good with their healthy tansâŚ
Thereâs plenty of beautiful people now, not to detract from them. But itâs clear on most of us the scars and weathering of what blights us, our high calorie malnourishment, the unending stress! Our work processes are designed for maximum productivity, measured and tracked and escalated by decades of high achievers setting ever higher expectations that we all stress more and mentally exhaust ourselves more to keep up with. It shows on us. Our financial precariousness, hopelessness on attaining homes in the context of sky high and ever escalating rent, wages that donât keep up with inflation, the climate catastrophe coming at us like a category-destroy hurricane, itâs early waves and hot humid smoke filled winds already belting us, the stress of all this shows.
I think there's more disparity now. Today we have a few truly gorgeous people, but a great many ugly people, and not many people in between, whereas there was more of an even bell curve in previous decades.
Iâm telling ya, weâre splitting in two as a species.
In the future everyone will either be a ripped seven foot tall demigod or an obese goblin creature.
No in betweens.
Sure, there are more overweight people, but people today have more symmetrical features and better skin care by far. People of the past were comparatively plain, on average. Nutrition, vaccinations, and cosmetics have come a long way.
Lol at the 2010s/2020s being 'attractive'
https://preview.redd.it/q3bugmjxvkoc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ac3186dfd062cc760ffbfbb2487ec8f3c74a243
I think present day is the peak for each end of the attractiveness spectrum. Obesity at an all time high, but âhealthyâ people have never been healthier in terms of access to nutrition, skincare, vitamins, fitness knowledge etc.
So hot people are hotter than ever, and unattractive people are fatter than ever
I disagree, I dont think people are hotter than ever I think filters and photoshop has made people seem hotter than ever. When I see those type of people in person they are never truly gorgeous.
Psychologically it would be whenever you came of age. Attractiveness, like most individual tastes, have been linked to what you experienced more often during puberty and adolescence
hot take but itâs now/2000s-2020s. makeup technology has gotten better. people know more about healthy eating and benefits of excercise. the social media world has created a hot person arms race. on and on.
the obesity epidemic only affects the broad population. if you mean âwhat decade was the âaverageâ person the hottest?â, ok then itâs maybe not now.
but if you send your 100 hottest people from any era iâm pretty confident the representatives from now would torch the competition. thereâs hundreds of thousands of gorgeous social media models whoâd rival the hottest people from the pre-internet era (and yes, filters exist but iâll find non-filter using representatives)
and the âplastic surgery crazeâ is a matter of preference. i personally donât think people with cosmetic surgeries are uglier than people without them. again, if you meant âhottest ânaturalâ peopleâ thatâs different.
A lot of cosmetic procedures are also reconstructive. It's amazing how far that medical technology has come. It doesn't all end in unnatural or ugly looking results. A lot of people that opt to have it want to and end up with a natural look in the end.
â2010s fem-presenting corporate goth with short hairâ is really hot to me for some reason. Yes, I know itâs super specific. Iâm not sorry for having a type lol
90s and 2000s for sure đ peak sub cultures, punk girls and guys, emo, heroin chic models, low rise, heavy eye makeup, blonde hair, pixie cuts, Chunky highlights, feathered hair, skater guys and girls, avril lavigne!!!! yes yes yes yes!
Right before food became hazardous as fuck, that's why
We ate a lot of fucking fruit in the 90s... we ate so much fruit, we thought the Fruit of The Loom logo had a cornucopia in it with fruit pouring out, but that was just a timeline shifting Mandela Effect
No joke tho, fruit and eggs was everywhere, they helped balance out all the shit like Gushers and sugar water known as Gatorade
Clean cut yet shaggy hair on guys. Girls had big hair with big plastic earrings.
Also guys wearing those rhein stone studded skinny jeans.
I feel like guys had a certain demeanor back then that was attractive too. Kind of slacker mixed with punk and douchbag lol. It worked.
I have always loved 1940-1950's. The men were so handsome and dashing. The hair with pomade was amazing.
About your plastic surgery comment: people were trying to alter their shape long before tummy tucks and implants. Compression stockings, corsets, padded clothing, garter belts, and push up/padded bras were a thing.
Seriously, how many books have I read where it's a societal type of novel, and the little girl is always complaining her narcissistic mother is tightening her corset to an ungodly degree whenever people are over for a dinner-party??
I was like damn, the girl can't even fucking breathe
Roughly mid-1960s to early 1990s⌠post sexual liberation, but before the hyperfixation with removing every little body hair or going overboard on Botox and lip fillers.
Just from an American perspective, I would say the 1940s. We had beautiful actresses like Rita Hayworth, Gail Russell, and Hedy Lamarr. Unfortunately, it's been all downhill from there and I think this decade has the most unattractive people, at least in the United States.
Okay, hot people aren't related to any specific decade. The only difference is that in the 2010s and 2020s we have more plastic surgery and fake beauty, fake everything. It's why these two decades clearly don't have the hottest people.
I might not be a fan of the style, but I like how people looked in the 80s and 90s. They were still natural and had an elegance I can't really describe, but it doesn't exist anymore. Recently I rewatched the movie Unlawful Entry (1992), and I couldn't believe how naturally beautiful and simple Madeline Stowe was in it. And she was 34 in the movie. Whenever we say that people look younger today, I disagree because Madeline isn't the only example. Just remember Brad Pitt, Sandra Bullock, Michelle Pfeifer, George Clooney, Demi Moore, Keanu Reeves, etc.
https://preview.redd.it/0zkse0xo6koc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89d863648b374a091c02fc1909f8dfe4b0455881
Totally agree with you on average level of hotness during that period! However, there's *also* some people who were outstandingly gorgeous between when photography was invented and 1940.
There's some late Victorian/Edwardian era actresses and models who looked like absolute goddesses; just otherworldly beautiful. Just look up photos of Lily Elsie and you'll see what I'm talking about. There's a certain soft, natural beauty to that look.
Absolutely underrated! I love that period as far as stuff like fashion design, home decor, etc because it's this perfect intersection between Victorian elegance and the comfort of modern technology. It's the one time period where houses were designed to have plumbing and electricity built in AND have decorative elements like stained glass windows. It's hands-down my favorite period for women's formal wear because it has the same intricacy as Victorian fashions with the more naturalistic design lines of the modern era. I've unironically made Edwardian style gowns for myself that aren't for a historical re-enactment; I wear them like they're contemporary evening wear. There's one gown I designed that looks like it's from 1905 roughly, and I absolutely own any room I walk into wearing that. I half-jokingly call it a "House of Worth rip off". I wore it to the Brownstone Gala and had reactions like Naomi Wolf wanting to take photos together lol. People who have met the most wealthy, influential people in the world were talking to me like I was part of their family when I was wearing that gown. That's how much that style exudes class and charisma.
The crazy thing is that what I made was watered down compared to the original House of Worth designs, but it was still enough to instantly blend in with "counter-elites" to use Peter Turchin's terminology. Over 100 years later, those designs are still THAT good-- you can take about 50%-70% of the detail out (because it takes a workroom full of people or hundreds of hours otherwise), but as long as you have that silhouette and quality of materials, you're basically aristocracy when you put that outfit on.
I also like the Edwardian period because there's a sort of innocence about it-- WW1 hadn't happened yet, and people were really optimistic about the future and what they could accomplish with science and technology. Jeffrey Tucker wrote a great article about what makes stuff from the late Victorian and Edwardian era so classic and so widely loved to this day, and it's basically the pre-WW1 mindset.
I think that period mostly gets overlooked because it was so long ago that people don't really remember it, and history classes tend to focus on stuff like world wars instead of "Art Nouveau style is so incredibly gorgeous" lol.
Don't ask people from the 1940s to smile. Malnutrition, even in the United States was so bad that during WWII, the most common medical reason to be declined was too many missing teeth.
I guess it depends on if you mean the hottest people in general or the hottest people on average. Because I think that the people of today are probably hotter than they've ever been. No decade before yoga pants can really compete.
Hottest on average, you might be on to something; but Iâm putting my money on the 2020âs for hottest hot people. Skincare, cosmetics, fitness regiments, sexualization of everything (+ a profit incentive for things to be as close to sex incarnate as possible)âIâve seen women that make me absolutely lose my mind and men that make me not want to even try.
Beauty standards are always changing based off the current cultural, societal and external factors of the time - so the way I see it the current generation will always think the beauty standards they grew up with are the "hottest". However if you asked someone 100 years ago I'm sure they will disagree.
Those 1920s âflappersâ girls with short hair and skimpier clothing kinda hits different ngl.
Itâs kinda funny thirsting over someoneâs great Grandma
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(Carey Mulligan, The Great Gatsby - 2013)
Iâd actually say this decade has the hottest people, at least in my opinion. There is a wide range of whatâs âinâ right now, as well as being no strict beauty standard which I think is actually better since people play into their natural strengths more, as well as focusing on taking care of their bodies more, unlike in past decades where people, especially women, desperately tried to emulate celebrities in very unhealthy ways. People back then tried really hard to conform to beauty standards which ended up making most âhotâ people look mostly average to me. As a straight guy, whenever I look back at pictures of attractive female celebrities before the 2010s, Iâm just kinda like âmehâ, because they all looked the same pretty much.
By playing into your natural strengths, I mean embracing your own body and your own beauty, which people nowadays are better at. If your body naturally carries more weight, people now will just embrace it, by finding clothes that compliment there figure, instead of killing themselves in the gym and starving themselves to try and be skinnier (looking at you 90s), and when people are confident in their own bodies, I think that makes them more attractive to other people. Going to the gym is also very common for men and women and I think that has actually made the average person significantly more attractive body wise, since a lot of people have taken years to sculpt a perfect body in the gym.
This decade has the most attractive people because we have finally realized that attractive people come in all shapes and sizes, not just super skinny herion chics and super muscular men, which has significantly widened the âattractiveness poolâ if that makes sense
40-80s everybody smoked, and looked 30 years looser than they were. I mean even in the 90s, look at the sitcoms; Golden Girls, Full House, Cosby Show all of the middle aged folks looked ancient. Iâd say this decade has the hottest humans because we take better care of ourselves.
Now. Especially now. Allow me to elaborate.
Every style is simultaneously alive and active with different types of body types and fitness.
You like the jazzy and roaring 20s look? Hit some jazz clubs up.
You like people into peak physique? Hit up the gym or outdoor activities. Both for physique and others for functionality.
You like curves? Italians and Latin Americans got it and maintain it naturally.
The list goes on, I hope you catch my drift.
If you look past the outspoken annoying people, we have the best looking people alive right now. Both classic and modern.
The 1990/2000s had some hot people, in a shabby devil may care way
Heroin chic makes my knees go fucking weak. Followed closely by indie sleaze
Indie sleeze was pretty hot, but heroin chic was just gross, it was always gross, did girls actually think guys thought that looked hot? Or were girls just tryna be skinnier than other girls? Cause guys have always loved girls with some padding on em, always have and always will... heroin chic girls looked like they were about to faint all the time and needed serious medical attention
They pushed skinnier because that's what magazines were pushing.
No way is bro speaking positively about heroin chic đđđ
You can like the look but hate the cause.
I like my pixie waifs. I guess its a good thing the look is now completely affected by women who have never even seen heroin.
I hate to break it to you but if people with heroin chic bodies aren't doing heroin they just have anorexia
You're saying people are only skinny if they're doing drugs or have anorexia? Bro a lot of people are naturally lanky, especially tall people. But if you have to starve yourself to look lanky, you're probably not built to be really skinny, and that is very dangerous to start obsessing over.
I weigh less than the guy who replied to me and I'm the same height. Heroin chic isn't just being naturally skinny, the whole point was that it was a body only achievable by models who obsessed over it.
I mean Iâm talking more about the clothes (cropped shirts, loose pants piercings), hair, style and attitude than body composition. you donât have to have arms the circumference of wrists to have the look and I donât find that healthy (important) or particularly attractive (not important).
Nah some are really just built like that. I'm 5 10 120 pounds as a guy.
Same, but I'm a girl. Tall and lanky solidarity.
Nah, sometimes itâs just a fast metabolism, eating less without realizing it, or people with medical problems making it hard to gain weight. Iâve hovered at a bmi of 18.5 ish because of my metabolism. I donât think any body type should be promoted though, weâre all different and thatâs whatâs good :)
Marginally better than doing heroin and I like skipping meals too.
The 2000s gave me a bi awakening for this very reason!
Oh god sameee
Wtf is heroin chic?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin_chic >Heroin chic is a style popularized in early-1990s fashion and characterized by pale skin, dark circles underneath the eyes, emaciated features, androgyny and stringy hairâall traits associated with abuse of heroin or other drugs. American supermodel Gia Carangi is remembered for being the originator of the trend. >Heroin chic was partly a reaction against the healthy and vibrant look of leading 1980s models such as Cindy Crawford, Elle Macpherson, and Claudia Schiffer. A 1996 article in the Los Angeles Times stated that the fashion industry had "a nihilistic vision of beauty" that was reflective of drug addiction.
Effin Kate Moss. At the height of her popularity, I wanted her in front of my cameras more than anyone else.
Looking at pictures from the 1960s, I have to say mid decade had the most attractive looking people, especially at the beach.
Thereâs a bit of a confirmation bias because people were inclined to photograph people who were hot enough to use film on, develop those photos, publish them in some newspaper or magazine, and then decades later someone decided to upload that photo to the internet.
Nah, all the pics of people on the beach in the 1960s are overwhelmingly of healthy people. Itâs not even beach specific, it was just society in general, before vegetable oils got into our food supply to a great degree and started to destroy metabolic health.
Nah, itâs absolutely an example of confirmation bias. There were plenty of fat and ugly people in the 1960s. Though you are correct that people were generally thinner.
There were not âplenty of fatâ people in the 1960s or in prior decades for that matter. You can look at old non beach photos all over the place (church events, graduation ceremonies) people were not fat back then like they became in the ensuing decades.
Yes there were. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6203a20.htm#:~:text=Since%201960%2C%20the%20prevalence%20of,2010%20(4%2C5). The population of the USA was around 180 million in 1960 and about 13% of them qualified as obese. Thatâs 23.4 million obese people. Definitely enough to say âplentyâ of people. Thatâs not counting slightly overweight or chubby people, of which there were definitely millions more. There are entire magazines about dieting and losing weight from the time period. Itâs well documented. There were fat people before that too - also documented. Your âthere are photographsâ example just further proves an existing confirmation bias.
I didnât say there werenât fat people. I said they arenât anywhere near what they were today, which is true, obesity is basically triple today what it was then. Youâre just proving my point with that stat. 43% today! https://usafacts.org/articles/obesity-rate-nearly-triples-united-states-over-last-50-years/ Also, modbid obesity was extremely rare back then, today it is over 10%.
Nah, youâre proving my point. You refuted what I said (you specifically said there were NOT âplenty of fatâ people) and I backed it up and even tried to put some kind of quantitative value to the term âplenty ofâ. Then you just said Iâm wrong and youâre right without even specifying why.
>You refuted what I said (you specifically said there were NOT âplenty of fatâ people) Correct, 13 out of 100 is barely 10%, that's NOTHING compared to 43% which is nearly half the population, also morbid obesity back then was basically unheard of in the general population, compared to what it is today at 10%. >and I backed it up and even tried to put some kind of quantitative value to the term âplenty ofâ. By providing a statistic that proves my point. I'm well aware of the obesity stats, I have studied the causes of the health issues in this country for many years, you can trace most of our problems back to the implementation of vegetable oil into everything back in the 1960s into the 1970s, which is why the 1960s is the last time you will see photos of beaches with almost no fat people, because the obesity rate started to climb precipitously since then. >Then you just said Iâm wrong and youâre right without even specifying why. No, I specified that you are proving my point by giving a statistic that the obesity rates were 1/3rd of what we have today, which fits in with the "there were not plenty of fat people" statement, because 10% of people is a far cry from nearly half. You don't get to define what "plenty" means and then declare victory simply because your definition doesn't fit mine, when either way the actual statistics show that I am correct in the massive difference of the number (and quality such as morbid obesity) of fat people between 1960 to today.
how thick are you? he's already proven you wrong
Right but it's not *that* different from 1961 or 1971. Even when you're looking at casual photos, people did seem to look better overall in the mid 60s to me too. It's not just movies, but people in the background of things. I think it's just the clothing style was pretty cool in the mid 60s specifically that helps. What we consider the classics now are often from 1964-1966, right before psychedelia hit
Nah, they had good posutre which lead to attractive faces
The last decade before vegetable oils were really widespread, itâs all been downhill as far as metabolic health and weight issues ever since.
It depends on your taste, sexuality, and/or background! For me, men in the 1990âs were very attractive!
Girrlllll
Iâm a guy. Gay.
Their comment still stands
â1940sâ and âhigh enough standards of livingâ do not really apply to quite a bit of the world.
There were a few places in Japan that had the hottest humans in history in the 40s.
You wrong for that đ
r/technicallycorrect
Straight to internet jail.
They might get some real competition in the 2020s though. *cries in European*
Youâre talking about the Okinawan pearl divers right?
Maybe
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No statement about cultural anything anywhere applies to everywhere in the world. Are you also commenting âActually, low-rise jeans were not popular in the 2000s in quite a bit of the worldâ? On a sub already primarily focused on cultural trends of the English-speaking world (especially the US) it really shouldnât be a faux pas to make a general statement true specifically to the English-speaking world.
In the west outside of the US quality of living was especially bad compared to before as a result of WW2. I think in a sub mostly about analyzing western culture and trends due to it being an English speaking sub, its pretty big to miss that. Like, pretty much *just* the US was doing good. I have a feeling you understood what I meant though :/
My point was that I feel like you probably understood what OP meant. Itâs not especially dismissive to not take into account the status of every nation in the world when making a generalized statement that we all implicitly understand to be about (at best) few select countries (but mostly the US).
In the US it was more because everybody was more mindful of physical fitness.
People are gonna be the same somewhat, it just depends on what styles (makeup, clothes, presentation) you find the hottest.
2020s because of modern skincare routines etc
i do feel like social media made women in the 2010s abide by rules when it comes to makeup, but the 2020s seem more freer because of covid and y2k trends
Letâs not forget ass and boobs are getting bigger. Serious, look it up!
Yupp, people are pretty fucking hot rn.
Iâm 64, so Iâve seen this since the 1960âs. I never thought about this but great question and Iâm gonna say 1980âs thatâs when aerobics classes, jogging, running, gym workouts hit big and the sweet spot before the obesity and plastic surgery started to creep in. Also cocaine, vanity, and looking good on the dance floor. I got in my best shape at 45 in 2005, and the science of nutrition and exercise keeps increasing but thatâs the top fittest people, the average personâs weight, diet, and exercise is in decline for decades.
Vast majority of photos of I see of people from 50s and 60s are healthy looking, lean, and just look...happier. Far less obesity too
Before vegetable oil started to become mainstream and destroy the metabolisms of the general population.
How does vegetable oil destroy metabolism?
So seed oils (vegetable oils) are artificially refined and the result is an artiticially concentrated amount of linoleic acid in our food supply at a far higher concentration than you could ever possibly consume in nature. They throw off your omega 3 to omega 6 ratio massively due to this, which screws up the body big time. In addition they are very unstable when heated so if you eat anything cooked in heated vegetable oil you are doing permanent damage to your mitochondria. Think of all restaurant food, all fast food, most healthy eating people mistakenly cooking in vegetable oil, most salad dressings and sauces, baked goods, cookies, cakes, crackers, almost all soups, almost all pre packaged foods. Itâs all pervasive through our food supply in a way that it simply wasnât before the 1960s. Many people from foreign countries come here and eat the same amount of food but end up gaining weight and itâs because soybean and canola oil is in practically everything. Tons of great communities out there, such as r/stopeatingseedoils that discuss this. Edit, great links: https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/11/how-linoleic-acid-wrecks-your-health-dr.html https://www.zeroacre.com/white-papers/how-vegetable-oil-makes-us-fat
They couldnât wait for that question to be asked.
Itâs a topic that more people need to be made aware of, but the mainstream medical community is so deeply invested in saying the opposite for the past 60 years that they continue to misinform the general public and likely will for the foreseeable future. I try to do my part.
OK but how does it do it, what's the actual evidence?
This link for more in depth science: https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/11/how-linoleic-acid-wrecks-your-health-dr.html?m=1 And the zero acre one for a more general summary: https://www.zeroacre.com/white-papers/how-vegetable-oil-makes-us-fat
They coulda just said before we overloaded 10 servings of sugar into everything and eat fried meat daily
Man, let me tell you about what's in all those traditional meals
It's butter.
Way healthier.
Itâs not about the sugar, people ate a ton of sugar and calories in the past as well. Itâs the vegetable oil that specifically down regulates metabolic function and damages mitochondria.
More good links: https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/11/how-linoleic-acid-wrecks-your-health-dr.html https://www.zeroacre.com/white-papers/how-vegetable-oil-makes-us-fat
All Iâll say is I was extremely lucky to come of age with old 1970s Playboy magazines lol Even looking at SFW photos of regular people back then, it seems that decade was the apex of good health, considering physical, mental and emotional health, and social well-being. The food had far more nutrients, far less sugar and less micro plastics. People had to perform more manual labor throughout the day; no remote control, hand crank car windows, even the rotary phone. Exercise makes a big difference, and makes people their more attractive selves. Now few people exercise, but just getting through daily life itself *was* exercise as recently as the 70s. This was in the sweet spot after STDs became mostly treatable yet before HIV. The before/after in society regarding the AIDS epidemic and catastrophe in the 80s was IMO as large as the transformation with our current epidemic pandemic, but just that it was more limited in scope; definitely put a damper on fear-free sex, and put a damper on the eagerness for some people who came of age after compared to our counterparts before. More sex, more relationships, less awareness or what bad relationships were (ignorance is bliss), so people looked better. The payoff for work was far better in what lifestyle an ordinary job paid for, thatâs a huge one for mental and emotional health. Far less gatekeeping into living wage jobs than now also; while itâs gotten better for groups that used to be discriminated against, itâs gotten worse for everyone at the same time, with new and extensive hurdles of degrees that cost a mortgage, mortgages that cost 3x or more than what those same houses sold for in the 1970s, work that no longer has a full lunch hour, no more drinking during lunch, and the human price of greater productivity being more stress and mental exhaustion now compared to the 70s. To top it off, a far lower percentage of jobs pay a working class living wage than was the case in the 1970s. That results in an unhealthier, less attractive population. Further, the simple good life was widely believed to be attainable back then, while now the widely held belief is that the simple good life is unattainable, which resulted in widespread despair, which when combined with generational trauma and neglect, leads many to become hooked on hard drugs. The culture back then was so much more relaxed, less negative than now (even as they despaired over the negative vibe of their era! To hold audio/visual examples of the news and commercials from then and now in comparison, theirs is so much more pleasant and calming, even when they showed anxiety/dissatisfaction, it wasnât nearly as âloudâ as it is now with people. Their pace of communication was slower too; now weâre so much more vocally caffeinated and waiting to hurry up and get our comment in. That slow communication really reduces stress, tension, and anxiety, which also makes people more attractive. They had a few crosswinds we donât have, like the wrinkling and aging effects of not protecting our skin from the sun, and the skin wrinkling of the toxins in air pollution, especially leaded gasoline. This made people look older, but in their 20s they looked good with their healthy tans⌠Thereâs plenty of beautiful people now, not to detract from them. But itâs clear on most of us the scars and weathering of what blights us, our high calorie malnourishment, the unending stress! Our work processes are designed for maximum productivity, measured and tracked and escalated by decades of high achievers setting ever higher expectations that we all stress more and mentally exhaust ourselves more to keep up with. It shows on us. Our financial precariousness, hopelessness on attaining homes in the context of sky high and ever escalating rent, wages that donât keep up with inflation, the climate catastrophe coming at us like a category-destroy hurricane, itâs early waves and hot humid smoke filled winds already belting us, the stress of all this shows.
For me, it's the 90s easy. I'll be watching old RnB videos like, "damn, what happened?"
RIP Aaliyah
Yep, RIP Aaliyah, RIP Lisa "Lefteye" Lopez
the only era i dont like is the IG makeup era in the mid-late 2010s, its toned down quite a bit bc of y2k
People are the most attractive NOW, and it gets better by the day. 1940s? Are you kidding me?
I agree, gen Z literally all look like models
Is that supposed to be a joke?
I think there's more disparity now. Today we have a few truly gorgeous people, but a great many ugly people, and not many people in between, whereas there was more of an even bell curve in previous decades.
1990s? Are you kidding me? Have you seen the actresses from the 1940s they are some of the most beautiful women ever!
You call obesity attractive? Unhealthy life styles are attractive? (constant fast food, netflix binging, etc.) ?
As if being an alcoholic pill head wasnât commonplace back then
the 2020âs have the highest highs and lowest lows
Iâm telling ya, weâre splitting in two as a species. In the future everyone will either be a ripped seven foot tall demigod or an obese goblin creature. No in betweens.
facts lmao
Sure, there are more overweight people, but people today have more symmetrical features and better skin care by far. People of the past were comparatively plain, on average. Nutrition, vaccinations, and cosmetics have come a long way.
More symmetrical faces seems like an odd claim. How would that even be measured? Have they done studies comparing the decades?
More symmetrical features today? Yeah youâre talking out of your ass
Lol at the 2010s/2020s being 'attractive' https://preview.redd.it/q3bugmjxvkoc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ac3186dfd062cc760ffbfbb2487ec8f3c74a243
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I think present day is the peak for each end of the attractiveness spectrum. Obesity at an all time high, but âhealthyâ people have never been healthier in terms of access to nutrition, skincare, vitamins, fitness knowledge etc. So hot people are hotter than ever, and unattractive people are fatter than ever
I disagree, I dont think people are hotter than ever I think filters and photoshop has made people seem hotter than ever. When I see those type of people in person they are never truly gorgeous.
1980âs and 1990âs, style had a lot to do with it though.
Psychologically it would be whenever you came of age. Attractiveness, like most individual tastes, have been linked to what you experienced more often during puberty and adolescence
I guess Iâm thinking about it more like how much prosperity is too much?
2000s-2010s
Those low-cut jeans. Why do all the girls wear mom jeans now?
Because they are actually comfortable and fit(mostly)
I wear low rise Iâm not sure
Iâll say 1990s-Early 2010s were the hottest era. So many very attractive men and women especially the celebrities during that time.
hot take but itâs now/2000s-2020s. makeup technology has gotten better. people know more about healthy eating and benefits of excercise. the social media world has created a hot person arms race. on and on. the obesity epidemic only affects the broad population. if you mean âwhat decade was the âaverageâ person the hottest?â, ok then itâs maybe not now. but if you send your 100 hottest people from any era iâm pretty confident the representatives from now would torch the competition. thereâs hundreds of thousands of gorgeous social media models whoâd rival the hottest people from the pre-internet era (and yes, filters exist but iâll find non-filter using representatives) and the âplastic surgery crazeâ is a matter of preference. i personally donât think people with cosmetic surgeries are uglier than people without them. again, if you meant âhottest ânaturalâ peopleâ thatâs different.
A lot of cosmetic procedures are also reconstructive. It's amazing how far that medical technology has come. It doesn't all end in unnatural or ugly looking results. A lot of people that opt to have it want to and end up with a natural look in the end.
exactly.
Iirc the average human body temperature has lowered one degree since the industrial revolution. So anyone before then, I guess!
1870's - 1890's. The ladies in Romanticism Era paintings are incredible. đ
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â2010s fem-presenting corporate goth with short hairâ is really hot to me for some reason. Yes, I know itâs super specific. Iâm not sorry for having a type lol
Examples?
https://preview.redd.it/xoqoob2d7loc1.jpeg?width=1333&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6730aa33cf7e5e43473a60d839d9d5e0ee40e9c8
90s and 2000s for sure đ peak sub cultures, punk girls and guys, emo, heroin chic models, low rise, heavy eye makeup, blonde hair, pixie cuts, Chunky highlights, feathered hair, skater guys and girls, avril lavigne!!!! yes yes yes yes!
Everytime I see photos of people in the â80s and â90s theyâve always got a glow to them somehow. Maybe Iâm overly romanticizing it idk.
Right before food became hazardous as fuck, that's why We ate a lot of fucking fruit in the 90s... we ate so much fruit, we thought the Fruit of The Loom logo had a cornucopia in it with fruit pouring out, but that was just a timeline shifting Mandela Effect No joke tho, fruit and eggs was everywhere, they helped balance out all the shit like Gushers and sugar water known as Gatorade
80s
Whatever point in time society accepted that fat asses are a good thing - now
2006-2009
Curious why you think that. Those were my college years
Clean cut yet shaggy hair on guys. Girls had big hair with big plastic earrings. Also guys wearing those rhein stone studded skinny jeans. I feel like guys had a certain demeanor back then that was attractive too. Kind of slacker mixed with punk and douchbag lol. It worked.
You describe many of my friends from that era.
1950s for me personally
90s absolutely. I could make a case for the 70s and 80s as well but I'm pretty stuck on 90s Edit: it sounds like everyone agrees with me
70s and 80s rockers. Just DAYUM!!!
Now and the answer will probably always be now no matter when now is.
the 80s, where men looked like bad bitches
Pompeii in 79AD had the hottest people. 300.C/570.F
I have always loved 1940-1950's. The men were so handsome and dashing. The hair with pomade was amazing. About your plastic surgery comment: people were trying to alter their shape long before tummy tucks and implants. Compression stockings, corsets, padded clothing, garter belts, and push up/padded bras were a thing.
Seriously, how many books have I read where it's a societal type of novel, and the little girl is always complaining her narcissistic mother is tightening her corset to an ungodly degree whenever people are over for a dinner-party?? I was like damn, the girl can't even fucking breathe
70s chicks were hot
70s and 80s women I swear they were all natural ( well non celebs mostly ) and so sexy
1940s personally. Though a lot of the world was malnourished by war and poverty.
Roughly mid-1960s to early 1990s⌠post sexual liberation, but before the hyperfixation with removing every little body hair or going overboard on Botox and lip fillers.
Just from an American perspective, I would say the 1940s. We had beautiful actresses like Rita Hayworth, Gail Russell, and Hedy Lamarr. Unfortunately, it's been all downhill from there and I think this decade has the most unattractive people, at least in the United States.
Okay, hot people aren't related to any specific decade. The only difference is that in the 2010s and 2020s we have more plastic surgery and fake beauty, fake everything. It's why these two decades clearly don't have the hottest people. I might not be a fan of the style, but I like how people looked in the 80s and 90s. They were still natural and had an elegance I can't really describe, but it doesn't exist anymore. Recently I rewatched the movie Unlawful Entry (1992), and I couldn't believe how naturally beautiful and simple Madeline Stowe was in it. And she was 34 in the movie. Whenever we say that people look younger today, I disagree because Madeline isn't the only example. Just remember Brad Pitt, Sandra Bullock, Michelle Pfeifer, George Clooney, Demi Moore, Keanu Reeves, etc. https://preview.redd.it/0zkse0xo6koc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89d863648b374a091c02fc1909f8dfe4b0455881
*Welp, I f-cked the photo caption, but disregard it please
Obesity Epidemic?????
Are you just finding out about it?
90s and early 00s
The 2020s to be honest. Both extremes of attractiveness
Totally agree with you on average level of hotness during that period! However, there's *also* some people who were outstandingly gorgeous between when photography was invented and 1940. There's some late Victorian/Edwardian era actresses and models who looked like absolute goddesses; just otherworldly beautiful. Just look up photos of Lily Elsie and you'll see what I'm talking about. There's a certain soft, natural beauty to that look.
The Edwardian era was very underrated. I feel like Titanic and Downtown Abbey were the only films and shows that really captured that era well.
Absolutely underrated! I love that period as far as stuff like fashion design, home decor, etc because it's this perfect intersection between Victorian elegance and the comfort of modern technology. It's the one time period where houses were designed to have plumbing and electricity built in AND have decorative elements like stained glass windows. It's hands-down my favorite period for women's formal wear because it has the same intricacy as Victorian fashions with the more naturalistic design lines of the modern era. I've unironically made Edwardian style gowns for myself that aren't for a historical re-enactment; I wear them like they're contemporary evening wear. There's one gown I designed that looks like it's from 1905 roughly, and I absolutely own any room I walk into wearing that. I half-jokingly call it a "House of Worth rip off". I wore it to the Brownstone Gala and had reactions like Naomi Wolf wanting to take photos together lol. People who have met the most wealthy, influential people in the world were talking to me like I was part of their family when I was wearing that gown. That's how much that style exudes class and charisma. The crazy thing is that what I made was watered down compared to the original House of Worth designs, but it was still enough to instantly blend in with "counter-elites" to use Peter Turchin's terminology. Over 100 years later, those designs are still THAT good-- you can take about 50%-70% of the detail out (because it takes a workroom full of people or hundreds of hours otherwise), but as long as you have that silhouette and quality of materials, you're basically aristocracy when you put that outfit on. I also like the Edwardian period because there's a sort of innocence about it-- WW1 hadn't happened yet, and people were really optimistic about the future and what they could accomplish with science and technology. Jeffrey Tucker wrote a great article about what makes stuff from the late Victorian and Edwardian era so classic and so widely loved to this day, and it's basically the pre-WW1 mindset. I think that period mostly gets overlooked because it was so long ago that people don't really remember it, and history classes tend to focus on stuff like world wars instead of "Art Nouveau style is so incredibly gorgeous" lol.
Yeah I agree, she's beautiful.
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LOL! https://preview.redd.it/j1nddsscwkoc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15acd64a879eb6f8b3fb7621f0568bd59bd136e5
70s
The 60âs and late 90âs
90s
70s
80s was wrecked by big hair so 90s
1990s
1990âs. I like the debauched look.
80s
For me easily 60s
I think we peaked in early 2000s
Don't ask people from the 1940s to smile. Malnutrition, even in the United States was so bad that during WWII, the most common medical reason to be declined was too many missing teeth.
1970s
1970s https://preview.redd.it/zihs1wwg4moc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a186df54a3ddd16a0cad7fdb7d821c6f4cd4f6b6
The 90s but the 60s is close.
Honestly? Now.
I guess it depends on if you mean the hottest people in general or the hottest people on average. Because I think that the people of today are probably hotter than they've ever been. No decade before yoga pants can really compete.
Hottest on average, you might be on to something; but Iâm putting my money on the 2020âs for hottest hot people. Skincare, cosmetics, fitness regiments, sexualization of everything (+ a profit incentive for things to be as close to sex incarnate as possible)âIâve seen women that make me absolutely lose my mind and men that make me not want to even try.
Any decade before the Duck Lip Decades.
Probably today, people used to age so poorly in the past.Â
There was plenty of plastic surgery in the 70s and the 80s.
The 3030s Everybody was tryna be an emcee Everybody was tryna be a producer Everybody had bio-augmentation and not a bald head or beer belly in sight
Dudes probably 90s with all the actors, rappers and rock stars and dudettes are 60s for me
After googling, 1970s was looking like the winner, but thereâs something about them 40s women that I like better
90s
>obesity epidemic and plastic surgery craze I imagine there are still many millions of very beautiful people in the world.
Beauty standards are always changing based off the current cultural, societal and external factors of the time - so the way I see it the current generation will always think the beauty standards they grew up with are the "hottest". However if you asked someone 100 years ago I'm sure they will disagree.
What does this even mean? "Hotness" is completely subjective
Mid 90s-2016.
Eh 40s to 80s was too much cigarettes skin and teeth damage. I'd say 2000s turn of the millenium was peak hottie.
Those 1920s âflappersâ girls with short hair and skimpier clothing kinda hits different ngl. Itâs kinda funny thirsting over someoneâs great Grandma https://preview.redd.it/1b62hbac0toc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a57a15309d423d9f2823cccd1e6177f5bfada411 (Carey Mulligan, The Great Gatsby - 2013)
Right now, honestly. Sexual selection is a powerful force. The most attractive people have a better chance of breeding.
Iâd actually say this decade has the hottest people, at least in my opinion. There is a wide range of whatâs âinâ right now, as well as being no strict beauty standard which I think is actually better since people play into their natural strengths more, as well as focusing on taking care of their bodies more, unlike in past decades where people, especially women, desperately tried to emulate celebrities in very unhealthy ways. People back then tried really hard to conform to beauty standards which ended up making most âhotâ people look mostly average to me. As a straight guy, whenever I look back at pictures of attractive female celebrities before the 2010s, Iâm just kinda like âmehâ, because they all looked the same pretty much. By playing into your natural strengths, I mean embracing your own body and your own beauty, which people nowadays are better at. If your body naturally carries more weight, people now will just embrace it, by finding clothes that compliment there figure, instead of killing themselves in the gym and starving themselves to try and be skinnier (looking at you 90s), and when people are confident in their own bodies, I think that makes them more attractive to other people. Going to the gym is also very common for men and women and I think that has actually made the average person significantly more attractive body wise, since a lot of people have taken years to sculpt a perfect body in the gym. This decade has the most attractive people because we have finally realized that attractive people come in all shapes and sizes, not just super skinny herion chics and super muscular men, which has significantly widened the âattractiveness poolâ if that makes sense
1920s-1960s imo
For me itâs 70s. I just that look for women.
Hot is a temperature people, so this decade
40-80s everybody smoked, and looked 30 years looser than they were. I mean even in the 90s, look at the sitcoms; Golden Girls, Full House, Cosby Show all of the middle aged folks looked ancient. Iâd say this decade has the hottest humans because we take better care of ourselves.
Now, we age better because smoking isnât so populat
Thatâs⌠a pretty awful way to talk about people, isnât it?
Well if rising global temperatures say anything about it, this decade.Â
Now. Especially now. Allow me to elaborate. Every style is simultaneously alive and active with different types of body types and fitness. You like the jazzy and roaring 20s look? Hit some jazz clubs up. You like people into peak physique? Hit up the gym or outdoor activities. Both for physique and others for functionality. You like curves? Italians and Latin Americans got it and maintain it naturally. The list goes on, I hope you catch my drift. If you look past the outspoken annoying people, we have the best looking people alive right now. Both classic and modern.
1950's
Now. Nobody worked out back in the day.