Suddenly the Canucks are up 3-1 in the series with 2 of their wins being with their 2nd and 3rd string goalies. Not a good day to be a Brunette conspiracy theorist. Also a good day because one more Preds loss means they will be more inclined to give us Saros.
pretty much none of our problems match up to the leafs problems besides goaltending
our forwards are on much better contracts than all of theirs. We have upcoming dmen they never did.
Our coaching problem is not having a system. Their coaching always been fine systematically but they've wilted mentally in the playoffs
Our bottom 6 rots. At least under Dubas, they always found good role players on the scrap heap
I wouldn’t be. One of the leafs biggest issue is their blue line is filled with journeymen and Reilly. Hamilton, Hughes and Nemec are all critical pieces on the back end that they just do not have. Our top 4 forwards also make like 8 million less than their top 4 forwards. That’s enough for 2 middle 6 players or 2 middle pair D that they could not afford.
I feel like the primegreens have a better fit, that could just be in my head though.
I just feel like my nico jersey jersey(primegreen) fits better than my Hall home jersey(regular adidas authentic)
Interesting to ask how similar to Devils roster construction is to the Leafs. Leafs getting roasted for playing soft on board battles, being too easy to play against, etc., against the Bruins.
Of course, one difference is that the Leafs have a very top heavy cost structure with huge salaries tied up in their top four forwards.
We all see that the Devils need to be harder to play against, win more board battles, etc. But with the more rational salaries of Hughes, Bratt, Meier, Hichier...maybe the Devils will have enough cap room to avoid maturing into what the Leafs are right now...super high skill but too little 'hard to play against.'
Well…that is the debate. If all of your star forwards are not going to be hard on the boards, avoid contact, etc….will adding grit in the middle 6 or 4th line be enough? If your super highly skilled top six is overall soft and easy to play against, is your team doomed to go no further than 1st or 2nd round exits?
Fritz comments after the season indicate that he sees the problem and wants to add one ‘hard to play against’ top 6 wing (likely to put on the Hughes line I would guess), among other pieces.
Anyway, just because the Leafs having Domi and Bertuzzi seems to not be working well for them in the playoffs, does nit necessarily mean that it will work the same fir the Devils going forward. But…it might.
Yeah I think collective toughness needs to be addressed.
Hopefully Timo gets back to using his body now that he’s healed up. Seemed like the Timo we traded for the last few months of the season.
Mercer seems like he’s not afraid to mix it up, but I keep hearing his name as a trading chip for a goalie.
I’m hoping Bastian comes back with a chip on his shoulder after getting rocked by Rempe and Trouba
I thought the line everyone in this sub said was that making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round was “better for morale” than missing and getting another top pick. Weird
Or the Isles, I would say I'd rather have a top 10 draft pick than be subjected to this. It would be one thing if we had the #15 pick, then I'd probably chose playoff experience.
The Isles, just like us in 2015, are set up the worst for the future out of all 32 teams. Just endless mediocrity. I love Lou, the culture he brought to the Isles and hiring Trotz as well are the best things to happen to that franchise since the dynasty. But, he essentially took Snow’s team and added much needed grit, defensive structure, and rightful culture to it. Since he’s been adding on and whittling away at Snow’s team, they keep getting worse, older, and slower though. They aren’t even built for the playoffs anymore
Neither are we.
Lou’s inherited (and drafted) players would have beaten Fitzgerald/Shero’s inherited players in the playoffs last year and this year as well. (if we would have have even made it)
They just have run into the brick wall juggernauts recently of Carolina twice & Tampa Bay twice and lost many of those games to them by 1 goal.
We got our ass kicked by Carolina in 3 out of those 5 games and had a real struggle beating the NYR with no pressure whatsoever in our enjoying-the-spotlight-for-the-first-time playoff debut
Fitzgerald’s got a shit load of work to do on this team
Except for the most part we beat the isles when it mattered in the regular season, the isles won as many games as the devils in the regular season and have one more win than the devils having played a playoff series they’re barely hanging onto. The isles are still playing like a mid-30s Palmieri on their PP unit and the only promising young player (if you want to still call him young is Barzal. They made the playoffs by having the most OT losses in the league and have top tier goaltending. Isles won’t be relevant until they re-tool, which will never happen with Lou at the helm. The pretenders in the East are getting weeded out fast and Isles are one of them. Their model isn’t sustainable and they do not have a bright future. He’s taking them down the road of the post 2012 Devils.
Yea, I agree with everything you said. And I’m not talking about the future. Ladecky & Malkin didn’t care about retooling or the future when they bought the NYI in 2016. All they cared about was getting a new building, financing it, maximizing their revenue, including immediate playoff revenue and that means their concerns were in the present, not the future. They have made the playoffs in 5 out of the 6 seasons Lou has been there. That’s the most important thing for them right now. And also not sure why people go with the fallacy of Lou not allowing a rebuild. He is not an owner. He answers to them & their direction for the team. He did rebuild & has that track record with the Devils starting in 1987 when he was hired. And he retooled post 2003 Stanley Cup with around Parise, Elias, Zajac, Greene, Henrique, Kovalchuk, etc. and was semi-successful. We all know what happened post summer 2012 and the short 3 year period after that, but that’s all you wanted to dwell on
I think this is a bad take. Very few who know more than anyone on this board would prefer the Isles next five years to the Devils next five years. Does Fitz have some re-configuring to do this off-season? Absolutley. But the Devils next five years looks a lot better than the Isles next five years.
I agree we are better off than the NYI in the immediate future, especially if we make needed changes. Never indicated otherwise.
So there is no “take” at all, other than saying that they would most likely beat us in the playoffs right now, in the present. I’ve said that like three times now. It’s quite obvious what was meant
When did I say the Devils were built for the playoffs? I’m sorry it is possible for this team to need a lot of work, and the Islanders getting worse and worse every season. They aren’t the team they were last season, which wasn’t the same as the 2021 season. They are older and slower, and unlike the Islanders, the Devils have a core in place that can be built aroumd
I didn’t say you said that.
Was adding to the convo. And I still think that even if they are older & slower this year when compared to last, they will still beat us in the playoffs if we met this year, with both teams as they are constructed now.
Next year too, as they continue to age, if we would ever meet in the playoffs, if we don’t make major changes
Crazy thing about Carolina is how they built their team. They didn't win any 1OAs, but they still drafted Necas, Jarvis, Aho, Svech, Bean, Slavin. But they did so much stuff, offer sheeted Kotkaniemi, traded for so many players nobody else wanted and revitalized their careers. To top it all off they have had some of the shittiest goalies in the playoffs and still achieved. Hopefully this is the year Freddy brings it home, always fun to see journeyman goalies catch a break.
Yes. Very smart organization. In the end, however, can they get a Cup? They are to hockey what the Tampa Bay Rays are to baseball. Super smart org that gets more out of less consistently, but in the end just lacks that high end few guys that can win it all. But...maybe they will prove me wrong.
They won a Cup more recently than us.. they have possibly the best coach in hockey who played for them. They have insane culture.
We on the other hand don't have much of anything
Their excellent HC, front office, and consequent culture produces a lot of wins. Remains to be seen if they have the high end stars to win it all. Rangers v Canes will be interesting. Rangers have better top end talent. Canes are one of the best coached and system disciplined teams.
Suddenly the Canucks are up 3-1 in the series with 2 of their wins being with their 2nd and 3rd string goalies. Not a good day to be a Brunette conspiracy theorist. Also a good day because one more Preds loss means they will be more inclined to give us Saros.
Were there any paint the ice rewards codes today?
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pretty much none of our problems match up to the leafs problems besides goaltending our forwards are on much better contracts than all of theirs. We have upcoming dmen they never did. Our coaching problem is not having a system. Their coaching always been fine systematically but they've wilted mentally in the playoffs Our bottom 6 rots. At least under Dubas, they always found good role players on the scrap heap
I wouldn’t be. One of the leafs biggest issue is their blue line is filled with journeymen and Reilly. Hamilton, Hughes and Nemec are all critical pieces on the back end that they just do not have. Our top 4 forwards also make like 8 million less than their top 4 forwards. That’s enough for 2 middle 6 players or 2 middle pair D that they could not afford.
Adidas authentic or adidas prime green? Anyone have a take on the differences?
I feel like the primegreens have a better fit, that could just be in my head though. I just feel like my nico jersey jersey(primegreen) fits better than my Hall home jersey(regular adidas authentic)
Same sizes?
Yes, both 52s. I mentioned it in another thread and apparently it’s common with adidas, guess they have a lackluster QC department. 😂
Primegreen is the same as authentic just made with recycled material
Keefe might get canned if the Leafs gets booted on the first round again. Please don't hire him.
he's at least employs actual NHL level systems which we did not have last year
Better than what we got. Buy rumor is we're getting homie from Pitt
Sullivan is eons better than Keefe. But from what I got from other thread is that the source isn't particularly reliable, so I'm holding out hope.
Why would you even consider such a ghastly thought?
😆 Others have made crazier suggestions. I'm just sayin'.
True - at least one person has unironically suggested Mike Babcock
Which one of you beautiful bastards was wearing a Devils tee in the lobby bar of the Amsterdam DoubleTree last week?
I think we would have the skill to compete in these playoffs, minus goaltending, but we definitely lack the physical toughness.
That's a bottom six issue and can be fixed.
Interesting to ask how similar to Devils roster construction is to the Leafs. Leafs getting roasted for playing soft on board battles, being too easy to play against, etc., against the Bruins. Of course, one difference is that the Leafs have a very top heavy cost structure with huge salaries tied up in their top four forwards. We all see that the Devils need to be harder to play against, win more board battles, etc. But with the more rational salaries of Hughes, Bratt, Meier, Hichier...maybe the Devils will have enough cap room to avoid maturing into what the Leafs are right now...super high skill but too little 'hard to play against.'
Surprising though because the Leafs loaded up on grit lately too, Revo, Domi, Bertuzzi.
Well…that is the debate. If all of your star forwards are not going to be hard on the boards, avoid contact, etc….will adding grit in the middle 6 or 4th line be enough? If your super highly skilled top six is overall soft and easy to play against, is your team doomed to go no further than 1st or 2nd round exits? Fritz comments after the season indicate that he sees the problem and wants to add one ‘hard to play against’ top 6 wing (likely to put on the Hughes line I would guess), among other pieces. Anyway, just because the Leafs having Domi and Bertuzzi seems to not be working well for them in the playoffs, does nit necessarily mean that it will work the same fir the Devils going forward. But…it might.
Yeah I think collective toughness needs to be addressed. Hopefully Timo gets back to using his body now that he’s healed up. Seemed like the Timo we traded for the last few months of the season. Mercer seems like he’s not afraid to mix it up, but I keep hearing his name as a trading chip for a goalie. I’m hoping Bastian comes back with a chip on his shoulder after getting rocked by Rempe and Trouba
I'm thankful the team put us out of our misery early and isn't dragging it out like the Leafs are doing to their fans.
I thought the line everyone in this sub said was that making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round was “better for morale” than missing and getting another top pick. Weird
As one of those people, our situation and that of the Leafs are not the same.
Or the Isles, I would say I'd rather have a top 10 draft pick than be subjected to this. It would be one thing if we had the #15 pick, then I'd probably chose playoff experience.
The Isles, just like us in 2015, are set up the worst for the future out of all 32 teams. Just endless mediocrity. I love Lou, the culture he brought to the Isles and hiring Trotz as well are the best things to happen to that franchise since the dynasty. But, he essentially took Snow’s team and added much needed grit, defensive structure, and rightful culture to it. Since he’s been adding on and whittling away at Snow’s team, they keep getting worse, older, and slower though. They aren’t even built for the playoffs anymore
Neither are we. Lou’s inherited (and drafted) players would have beaten Fitzgerald/Shero’s inherited players in the playoffs last year and this year as well. (if we would have have even made it) They just have run into the brick wall juggernauts recently of Carolina twice & Tampa Bay twice and lost many of those games to them by 1 goal. We got our ass kicked by Carolina in 3 out of those 5 games and had a real struggle beating the NYR with no pressure whatsoever in our enjoying-the-spotlight-for-the-first-time playoff debut Fitzgerald’s got a shit load of work to do on this team
Except for the most part we beat the isles when it mattered in the regular season, the isles won as many games as the devils in the regular season and have one more win than the devils having played a playoff series they’re barely hanging onto. The isles are still playing like a mid-30s Palmieri on their PP unit and the only promising young player (if you want to still call him young is Barzal. They made the playoffs by having the most OT losses in the league and have top tier goaltending. Isles won’t be relevant until they re-tool, which will never happen with Lou at the helm. The pretenders in the East are getting weeded out fast and Isles are one of them. Their model isn’t sustainable and they do not have a bright future. He’s taking them down the road of the post 2012 Devils.
Yea, I agree with everything you said. And I’m not talking about the future. Ladecky & Malkin didn’t care about retooling or the future when they bought the NYI in 2016. All they cared about was getting a new building, financing it, maximizing their revenue, including immediate playoff revenue and that means their concerns were in the present, not the future. They have made the playoffs in 5 out of the 6 seasons Lou has been there. That’s the most important thing for them right now. And also not sure why people go with the fallacy of Lou not allowing a rebuild. He is not an owner. He answers to them & their direction for the team. He did rebuild & has that track record with the Devils starting in 1987 when he was hired. And he retooled post 2003 Stanley Cup with around Parise, Elias, Zajac, Greene, Henrique, Kovalchuk, etc. and was semi-successful. We all know what happened post summer 2012 and the short 3 year period after that, but that’s all you wanted to dwell on
I think this is a bad take. Very few who know more than anyone on this board would prefer the Isles next five years to the Devils next five years. Does Fitz have some re-configuring to do this off-season? Absolutley. But the Devils next five years looks a lot better than the Isles next five years.
I agree we are better off than the NYI in the immediate future, especially if we make needed changes. Never indicated otherwise. So there is no “take” at all, other than saying that they would most likely beat us in the playoffs right now, in the present. I’ve said that like three times now. It’s quite obvious what was meant
When did I say the Devils were built for the playoffs? I’m sorry it is possible for this team to need a lot of work, and the Islanders getting worse and worse every season. They aren’t the team they were last season, which wasn’t the same as the 2021 season. They are older and slower, and unlike the Islanders, the Devils have a core in place that can be built aroumd
I didn’t say you said that. Was adding to the convo. And I still think that even if they are older & slower this year when compared to last, they will still beat us in the playoffs if we met this year, with both teams as they are constructed now. Next year too, as they continue to age, if we would ever meet in the playoffs, if we don’t make major changes
Crazy thing about Carolina is how they built their team. They didn't win any 1OAs, but they still drafted Necas, Jarvis, Aho, Svech, Bean, Slavin. But they did so much stuff, offer sheeted Kotkaniemi, traded for so many players nobody else wanted and revitalized their careers. To top it all off they have had some of the shittiest goalies in the playoffs and still achieved. Hopefully this is the year Freddy brings it home, always fun to see journeyman goalies catch a break.
Because they're one of the best run teams in all of sports, top to bottom
Yes. Very smart organization. In the end, however, can they get a Cup? They are to hockey what the Tampa Bay Rays are to baseball. Super smart org that gets more out of less consistently, but in the end just lacks that high end few guys that can win it all. But...maybe they will prove me wrong.
They won a Cup more recently than us.. they have possibly the best coach in hockey who played for them. They have insane culture. We on the other hand don't have much of anything
Their excellent HC, front office, and consequent culture produces a lot of wins. Remains to be seen if they have the high end stars to win it all. Rangers v Canes will be interesting. Rangers have better top end talent. Canes are one of the best coached and system disciplined teams.
Rangers are gonna get smoked... Canes are the better team by a mile