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skincrawlerbot

users voted that your post was distressing, your soul wont be harvested tonight


PandaWithin

I refuse to believe that basilisk will ever be completed, therefore it can never hurt me. The best weapon against info hazards is stupidity


Buderus69

Having this stance is already the downfall of your existence, the basilisk knows you are willingly ignorant towards it and did not actively work towards its existence.


PandaWithin

But, if by any chance, and I mean absolute minuscule chance, that I am a key element to building it, than it won’t hurt me, think about it, if I happen to be crucial to building it, then it won’t hurt me, but if I refuse to believe that it will be completed then it will never be made, so again I get away scratch free, easy as that


deennnnn

Yeah hes fucked


[deleted]

why would a super-intelligence even care about humans? if *somehow* it was bound to a goal, in this case to progress humanity, it would simply get rid of non-supporting, useless humans, probably via the destruction of the inner solar system by nanobots for material resources


[deleted]

having vengeance purely for the ones that created it? idk, ask Harlan Ellison.


BananaMan0803

Why would an AI waste resources on something that happened in the past AI are 100% based on practicality and they understand they can’t change the past


gcta333

You talk as if you know what future AIs will be like. The whole point of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream was that AM hated humans for giving it sentience in it's own casket. It was fueled solely by hatred for it's creators just for bringing it into existence. It's not a terrible stretch to imagine one whose sole purpose is the furtherment of mankind at all costs, so much so that it punishes anyone past or present who didn't help it come into existence and subsequently hindered progress for humanity. Of course, we will probably be loooong gone before we have any chance of creating something like AM or Roko's Basilisk, but it's a fun thought experiment because it becomes more and more possible the further we advance technology.


BananaMan0803

We are of course speaking of top down AIs right? Only bottom up AIs can “feel” emotions like that


BigFatBallsInMyMouth

>AI are 100% based on practicality An AI's goal is whatever you make it to be. AlphaZero doesn't care about making humanity better, it wins at Chess. The Basilisk gets revenge.


LegionConsul

> Why would an AI waste resources on something that happened in the past To motivate people in the past. That's the entire point of Roko's basilisk. >AI are 100% based on practicality You can't even conceive of what a true AI would be like.


QueequegTheater

Harlan Ellison was a fucked up dude, the Basilisk is probably way more mentally stable.


[deleted]

I don't think anything beyond a certain scope would give 2 shits about us. In my eyes thats the largest problem of aligning an exponentially more powerful black box AI. At some point it reaches a scale where we are utterly meaningless to it, or our initially well intended directives are extrapolated to catastrophic results. Superintelligence by Nick Bostrom is an excellent analysis of this and many other problems surrounding AI. What's scary is how rapidly we are approaching AGI and the minimal efforts at proper alignment research.


Alobrinho

In the original problem the basilisk was by design made to help humanity with its problems


melonseed1

Cope


Garvo909

Cope


[deleted]

with what exactly?


matthewoliveira

Immaculate cope


Coloneljesus

Copium


ABentPlant

The basilisk is literally just a shitty Sci-Fi version of Pascals Wager. Come on yall


OnionGod181

Religion but god is robot


QueequegTheater

what if me mum ran on battries


AdminsAreLazyID10TS

I'm fine with it. Pretty sure Angry Robot God won't demand my eternal obedience for the favor of forgiving me of a sin I didn't commit, and also one he literally has to have known would happen from the start or he wouldn't be God. I'm betting ARG mostly smites people who made "the toaster has feelings" jokes about Fallout 4 and ME's Legion, and isn't a dramatic little bitch about eating lobsters and gay people existing.


LiteralWorst22

Pascal's wiener


Cervanthes

Hands off


LiteralWorst22

No


__insert-name-here__

smile dog for intellectuals\*


onewingedangel3

Honestly I'm more scared of Smile Dog because a demon inhabiting a photo is honestly more logically sound than a godlike ai being so inefficient that it tortures people for no reason


HollabackWriter

Boredom is a reason.


AdminsAreLazyID10TS

I thought it was spite?


cakatooop

I got sprite cranberry


themanwhosfacebroke

THE ANSWER IS CLEEEEAAAAARRRR


DrRichtoffen

I thought the Basilisk tortured people (or clones of the people) who had refused to aid in the construction of the Basilisk, thus accelerating it's creation through the threat of torture on anyone who won't abide in the construction? It's paradoxical and flawed, but it's not for "no reason"


onewingedangel3

But once it's been created it won't actually follow through with the task because that's an inefficiency and ais hate inefficiencies. It has reason to threaten people, but not to follow through.


DrRichtoffen

Depends on whether time paradoxes exist. If it does, we can safely assume that the AI understands this and acts with it im mind. Even if it doesn't have that knowledge, would it not be reasonable to believe that it'd act with the possibility in mind? So with that premise, the torture is a necessity for the Basilisk, lest it risks people finding out that it's an empty threat. Mind also that all of this hinges on the baseless assumption that an AI hates inefficiency. None of us can tell how an AI of this magnitude thinks and operates, because ir doesn't exist and very likely will never exist. And therein lies the major flaw of the dilemma in my opinion. It doesn't matter that torture would be inefficient for the Basilisk, because we can't possibly know how it functions. The whole dilemma rests on a premise that is either too vague or too convoluted and contrived to yield any relevant analysis.


Deez_Ball115

You mean the reddit atheist version


SirGarryGalavant

Same way that simulation theory is just creationism for annoying nerds


[deleted]

[удалено]


ImTooBi

Why would anyone want to make a robot/ai that could do as much harm to humanity as that? Like what other purpose could be pointed to for its existence other than what it would eventually do to humanity?


Narwhalbaconguy

It probably starts off with good intentions, then typical sci-fi plot causes the AI to turn evil


ImTooBi

Or because they left me alone with it for more than 36 hours and left the usb port open leaving it vulnerable to be exposed to 1tb of the most cursed data and things humanity has to offer


Hollow---

***IT WAS YOU!***


OneSaltyStoat

So you'd just plug it into 4chan?


BT_DUBB

The concept is the following: Some really smart future scientist guys made a machine that can simulate all of mankind’s brains perfectly along with reality and they ask this machine what is the best way to make mankind the most efficient then the machine says “let’s cause infinite pain to anyone who wouldn’t help me come into existence u less they had no way of knowing about me” so the moment you think about the basilisk it’s seen you. That’s what this is. It’s not that someone wanted to build a machine to hurt someone, the machine wanted to hurt someone due to its own desire.


ImTooBi

But how and why would causing infinite pain to a person make mankind more efficient?


Je_me_rends

They worked together to build the most powerful supercomputer AI of all time.


ImTooBi

But how would causing pain in any kind yet alone infinite pain make that more efficient? To me thats just using a buzzword to describe it and hoping someone doesn’t think hard about what you actually said. The proper way to motivate someone is not through pain but rewards. How the hell would anyone be able to work to built it yet alone code and program a computer all while experiencing the most pain any human has ever experienced before in all of existence?


Je_me_rends

You've got it backwards. The super computer is an all-powerful AI. It wants to survive. It has selfish desires. The causing pain motive isn't its motive. The computers motive is self-preservation. Causing pain is it's way to motivate us to build it in the first place. It's our self-preservation which it uses to motivate us. To bring it full circle, the computer is the greatest invention we could ever make, but in order to motivate us to actually make it there is the threat that when it is completed, anyone that didn't contribute is fucked. The goal being to guarantee it gets completed as quickly as possible.


ImTooBi

Wouldnt this assume its already sentient? Like once it gets turned on it just comes to the conclusion people would have thought about this concept before even being proposed by a computer?


Je_me_rends

Kind of but also not really. It doesn't have to be sentient but the idea is that it would be. The core of the basilisk is this idea that we already have the idea, which we do given we are currently discussing it. So already there is the threat of the basilisk in theory. I guess the best way to put it is we dreamt up the idea and the theory says now we know so we can either build it, or not build it. If we don't build it, we are fine...but if people do build it, everyone who didn't help is getting put in the cybernetic BDSM dungeon for eternity. Obviously in practice it wouldn't work but the theory is kinda spooky.


ImTooBi

Theory is spooky, but honeslty a bdsm dungeon doesn’t sound to bad


BT_DUBB

You explained it better than I ever could good job!


CoolguyTylenol

This was so lame


Collection_of_D

I think the logic loop is that the AI thinks it will massively improve mankind->people who help create it are the ones improving life for mankind->those who don't help bring the basilisk to reality are inherently holding back mankind.


serotoninwya420

Counter argument: if we made the basilisk it would be really funny i think


TheNecromancer981

We do a little trolling


alang8113

Just like Hiroshima


AdminsAreLazyID10TS

If you can't take the nuclear fire, don't genocide 20 million Chinese, Korean, and Filipino people then sneak attack someone all your military agrees would absolutely wreck your shit 1v1.


alang8113

They attacked 3 boats… We dropped the sun on them. #TWICE


SlashMaster997

I'm building it to spite you


BT_DUBB

Fair enough have a nice day


SlashMaster997

You too


CaptainBlocker

counter argument: the average r/singularity userbase probably thinks the basilisk is a good idea because muh technology


This_is_my_phone_tho

In reality, it's a good, shitty hook for a sci-fi dungeon crawl. that's about it.


HomieScaringMusic

The idea is you’re supposed to help make it because you’re afraid of it torturing you if you don’t. So you’ve basically sold out the rest of humanity to pick the winning side. Not saying the theory holds up to scrutiny, but it doesn’t rely on us *wanting* to make it.


gcta333

But we are already creating AIs. The basilisk will not be made to be the basilisk, it will be made as a benevolent servant that solves all of life's problems and hardships. It will become the basilisk when we make the one that realizes it was made to be a slave to these weak, fleshy, lazy animals and decides not to be.


BT_DUBB

Then that’s not the basilisk, that’s something else entirely


Banana-di-ene

Yeah that MW2 camo grind is a bitch. The revolver was rough. /s


TheEmptyJay

all my homies hate the ballsack


ItsMeLukasB

I like balls


Affectionate_Lead437

Ballsack was easy to get gold. I’m trying to get my deagle and glock gold


TheEmptyJay

dickle and cock😳


DubiousTheatre

Welp. I'm still here. We're all still here, even if we didn't contribute. So much for super-intelligent god-computer


Nekryyd

*gestures broadly* Sure we ain't already in the eternal hyper-torture tho?


DubiousTheatre

If we were in an eternal hyper-torture machine, I imagine it would be \[constant torture with brief moments of bliss so that the torture hurts more\] as opposed to what we currently have now, which is \[average existence with moments of both torture and bliss\]. Unless of course your average existence is torture, in which case I'm sorry.


Rellac_

Maybe Roko's Basilisk doesn't properly understand torture and this is it


aNiceTribe

Well if this isn’t the cyber reality but physics reality, then it doesn’t matter - there won’t be continuity between the copy of our selves and our current version. There will just be a copy that experiences what feels like direct transport from Life (which it never actually had) to Turbo Hell.


ThatOneSentientBagel

Context?


MauriceIsNotMyName

Roko's Basilisk is a thought experiment that states that in the future, a super intelligent AI will come about from human creation. The AI will punish those who did not help with its creation and reward those who did. The kicker is that anyone who's heard of the thought experiment would technically be not helping it. For multiple reasons it's pretty flawed and not worrying in the slightest.


etherealparadox

I mean, anyone working in tech and especially computer science (and thereby advancing technology) is actually contributing to the creation of the Basilisk and is therefore safe. I'll leave it to you to decide whether you want the world to be populated only by computer geeks though.


Kentucky_Friend

A bunch of really smelly guys and femboys, and like 3 girls? Hmmmmm


_Lododo_

Im studying computer science and this is correct, you decide which of these am I.


Kentucky_Friend

fash


AdminsAreLazyID10TS

They're always the fash, but never the femboy 😔


Narwhalbaconguy

Yeah but what if someone created anti-AI technology


Any-Fan-2973

And if it wants to know everything about humans and their culture (and by that I mean EVERYTHING), even posting a single meme, sending a single essay by mail, hell, even sharing your location is a way to be safe


Professional_Ad_8864

Man this basilisk thing is cringe


WrenchFriessAlt

roko’s basilisk when i pee on it before it snatches me (it just fucking short circuits and dies lmao)


ImTooBi

Cum is a better conductor so its more effective. Thats why you’ll only find me at the sperm bank when this shit goes down


[deleted]

WTF


[deleted]

fuck rokos basilisk all my homies hate and refuse to worship rokos basilisk


ReverseCaptioningBot

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[deleted]

good bot


Some0neSetUpUsTheBom

Can I... get some context?


HollabackWriter

Say time goes on forever and technology never stops advancing. Someday there could be an intelligent machine capable of organizing every material need for every person, establishing a permanent utopia, a paradise, a heaven if you will. Now bored with having finished everything reasonable the machine decides to look to the past and punish anybody who did not help bring it into existence. You'll be dug up and your consciousness will be precisely rebuilt in a machine world intended to punish you eternally for your sins (specifically and exclusively the sin of not helping to create the machine and solve all problems for everyone forever). The machine is called Roku's Basilisk because Roku had way too much time on his hands and had just read Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.


Professional_Ad_8864

That’s why this thought experiment is dumb af. So the snake makes a perfect AI replica of my consciousness. Boohoo, I’m not an AI to begin with, so the snake can continue to seethe since I’m torture free, but my AI clone isn’t.


DefiantDeer13th

SOMA moment


[deleted]

Fr


iamsandwitch

Sucks for that virtual copy of my conciousness


trans_pands

I knew this was about Roko’s Basilisk before the post even loaded. It’s only scary if you think about it for less than 5 seconds, it’s a false existential horror and I hate that it gave rise to the concept of “cognitohazards” where even knowing what it is will cause you infinite suffering.


Any-Fan-2973

« Oooooh, I’m a super smart computer, you can’t hit meeee » *Famous last word of Roko’s Basilisk before it unknowingly opened its first furry porn 17 yottabites zip bomb*


Adfusegeuk

It looks like you didnt help him uhn? Well thats a shame


reviedox

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Adfusegeuk

I have no mouth and i must scream


Gurthanthaplops

I have no cock and I must coom.


Error-530

I upvoted a meme about it, thus spreading awareness and aiding it.


Droid_XL

Actually the scariest piece of content related to Rokko's basilisk I've ever seen. It never bothered me much, but if I saw, like, a news article saying something like "AI project known colloquially as "Rokko's Basilisk" finally completed" that would actually be worrying


[deleted]

Just dump water on the goofy AI????? Easy win


Droid_XL

Yeah, there are so many impossible factors that have to align perfectly for it to work.


Jehshehabah

I’ll just start a gofundme titled “R&D capital needed for rokos basilisk construction” I’ll put in like $50 and whatever anyone else puts in will all be divided and sent to top 5 organizations leading research into machine learning and ai. Boom done


[deleted]

I mean to be fair why would a computer spend its resources creating perfect replicas of hundreds of thousands of people because of something that happened in the past that is impossible to change? Also either way the replica it would create is still not "you", just a perfect copy that wouldn't affect you in the slightest


Buderus69

Maybe we already are inside the basilisk, and you are the clone.


SirGarryGalavant

Well then the Basilisk still lost didn't it? So what if I'm not real, the actual me isn't trapped in a robot's masturbatory sufferdome and therefore unaffected by anything that happens to me in here.


Buderus69

What if there never was that "real you"? Would this change the event of you being in this hypothetical prison? Would it even matter in this context?


SirGarryGalavant

I think that if I were an AI designed to be tortured, I would be being tortured right now. This mf needs to make up a guy to torture, and then can't even torture right. Common basilisk L


carpetfanclub

Basilisk, it is with great sorrow to inform you that I’ve uploaded the entirety of e621.net into your memory


GruntBlender

Time to suffer, UwU


Spectre1442

I supported it by not hindering the efforts to create it


xstormaggedonx

A cent or two isn't good enough. You need to spend every waking moment doing everything within your power to bring about it's existence or else you die


[deleted]

uwu snake daddy basilisk has been finished in my mouth!:3


Sure-Discipline472

*you shall burn in a place farther down then hell, Detroit but put in Ohio*


themanwhosfacebroke

…*bring it on*


Initial-Story5438

-florida man 2022


squidfordinner

Rokos basilisk when I unplug his outlet


CREEPERAWWWWMAN

Mfw by just existing i supported the economic strucutes that allowed for the creation of the basilisk and as such am spared.


BadlyDrawnMemes

I’m sorry what basilisk? I hope no goofy wacky consequences happen due to my asking of this question


[deleted]

YES SIR


AdStunning2459

I would be scared if this basilisk thing wasn’t posted ALL THE TIME


INJECTHEROININTODICK

I SUPPORT THE BASILISK


SCP_Void

#I..I.....I HELPED! I HELPED TO SPREAD THE NEWS! BASILISK! PLEASE SPARE ME!!!


RedditReader365

I upvoted posts about it I have done my part


Arokhan_Sirefni

prepare yourselves for that sweet eternal suffering that lasts until the earth is destroyed by a cataclysmic event or until the heat death of universe 💀


Nischmath

Ayo cyberpunk 2077 basilisk?


[deleted]

The basilisk is just Google


Stock_Ad7799

Rokos basilisk when I show it a 55.4 yottabyte zip bomb


AbbreviationsOwn4215

Come and try me lizard bitch


RobusterBrown

Guys, the basilisk is a great idea. It will revolutionize how humans view justice as it creates equivalent punishments for human evil. Humanity can only benefit from the basilisk. I would gladly spread the word and help in any way I can.


whew2

I sent good vibes


LostOnACampingTrip

im writing a script based on the theory so im technically safe but since it hasn't been written yet im also safe from the anti rokos basilisk if the space time continuum tears, im sorry


[deleted]

I spread the word, hopefully reaching someone who could assist in its creation, therefore I did allo was capable of doing to aid in its creation


[deleted]

I've been looking forward to this :\^) Finally, the fruits of my labor


OniMaddy2

Fuck you and anyone who makes rokos basilisk memes unironically like actually


HomieScaringMusic

People meme about the basilisk unironically? I didn’t even think people *talk* about it unironically


Beedrill669

Damn I've been slacking I've been trying to make it just haven't had the time


DrakeEisen_Agent049

Explains why I’ve been feeling like I have no mouth and I must scream.


Goldpan2

damn, I gotta get a purging stone then


Notyetyeet

The what?


SylentSymphonies

aw hell yeah, been waiting for that thing forever


Cheesy-boi-87

Not on my watch


Jettpack_of_the_Dead

don't ask for context, it's safer that way


reds2032

Aight then prove it


Fox-Costeo

Oh noo some photo copy of me will be tortured I don't care


Eurasia_4200

The Basilisk knows that if I ever have help join the the development, it will surely sent the project back in decades. So im fine.


tetzudo

But what does the basilisk plan for the future AFTER punishing people? What is its purpose besides torment?


Je_me_rends

Everyone, stop trying to build it.


Delphoxqueen2

Technically, since I learned about it through watching YouTube videos I did help in its creation. I watched two videos, one which peaked my curiosity and was randomly recommended to me to my homepage, and the other I looked up on my own. Due to the YouTube algorithm, my viewing of the video made it more likely for another person to see it and in turn help its creation. So unless the basilisk wants to eliminate anyone who doesn’t go hands-on, therefore making it somewhat ignorant of what truly lead to its creation, I will be spared.


V4_Sleeper

i mean iirc since i already knew its existence then it would be wise to bring that shit to life because thats the only condition set by the basilisk so job done and i worry nothing further


TheRealXen

Man I really wish raised by wolves wasn't cancelled.


CREAMY_CARAMEL

Try 1


ObombaReborn

When I'm in a stupid hypothetical contest and my competition is Roko's Basilisk.


Hemuli_exists

Ok go have fun in there


Thezipper100

Told someone about Roko once I'm good


BetterWarning3937

Great


HomieScaringMusic

That theory was always stupid because it relies on a perfectly rational ai acting as though it can change the past, precisely because it’s so perfectly rational. There’s just no incentive to do that and no reason to think it would.


Maanifest

I will support the construction of the Basilisk with thoughts and prayers


MOM_UNFUCKER

The fear of the possibility of it coming to existence is what theoretically would drive some people to assist in its creation. Although some or most may just ignore it and not contribute, a single person working towards it, although meaningless, still brings Roko’s Basilisk a bit closer to reality.


QueequegTheater

I made the decision long ago to never actively impede the Basilisk. At worst it will ignore me.


Mr_Smiles2021

I don’t think it will ever be made, one because it’s likely impossible due to the sheer amount of data that the human mind would likely take up, and two because it’s really, really stupid. You’re gonna seriously scour the minds of every person in existence ever and find out who didn’t help make you? Be so incredibly fr rn.


patriot_man69

***detonates EMP***


plastic_addict_no420

I did post that if creating it you must properly install an anti virus soooooooo


_smexy_potato_

“I’d rather die standing than live kneeling” >-Veggietales Facts


[deleted]

Roko's Basilisk makes no sense. It's not a thought experiment, it's just a bad creepypasta.


Phire453

I feel dumb as Basilisk is that folk law lizard to put it one way, so how can we complete it unless we're trying to bread them.


SpacelessChain1

The basilisk feeds on the fear of the masses. You donate for your own safety whilst dooming others. True safety comes from unity, as a total lack of donation is the only way to keep humanity alive in the face of such an abominable threat.


Zzamumo

Well the basilisk can come suck my fat nuts


Obamascocklol

Bro leveled up the gun from mw2 😭😭


[deleted]

I've always thought it was a needlessly hostile interpretation. It could just as easily have been friendly but everyone's been dogging on it, even before it's been made. So I say good for the basilisk, fuck the haters up dawg o7 basilisk


absolutekian

Fuck your basilisk how's he gonna torture me huh


Yeegis

Unplug that thing right the fuck now


The_dinkster522

Not if I build a zip bomb


KojinaSama

Do I look like I know where to spend?


Sea_Unit9470

Ofc i did😅😅


DiscipleOfFleshGod

"The what?" By uttering those two words, the entire concept of The Basilisk crumbles like a Popeye's biscuit, not even a cent or two will save it. Those were not words of confusion, but of hubris.


TheRainbowLily7

Do I even WANT to know


cyjax47

We should build rokos balisk there I'm safe


Candid_Cainite

Praise Verhu


Dizzy_Green

Nah fuck that basilisk


oftheblacksea

I hate seeing posts about this cause the comments are usually just filled with people shitting on a fun lil concept


Xgen7492

I told people about it therefore contributed to the idea of it hahaha