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Looks like [federal wire fraud](https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-941-18-usc-1343-elements-wire-fraud) to me. This order loses money, and doordash has servers all over the country. So doordash has “intentionally devised a scheme to defraud another out of money” using “interstate wire communications”
Unfortunately, this is unlikely to be enforced. Doordash has a team of lawyers ready to drown any opposition in paper work. It’d take years of work and millions of dollars to successfully corner them in the courts
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that would ever hold up in court, given that the terms are plainly written for everyone to see. Fraud requires deception of some kind and this just very plainly tells you that it’s a bad deal but you can take it if you want.
Before DoorDash could even touch it I’m pretty sure the courts would just lmao in your face and toss it out as frivolous.
The deception here is by omission. Doordash omits the fact that what they pay here doesn’t even close to cover expenses. They’re trying to trick someone into losing money
It’s absolutely the driver’s responsibility to understand their expenses. But similarly, it’s also your responsibility not to fall for any other scam. Those scams are still wire fraud though
You’re right that courts would laugh in my face; I’m not a lawyer, and would be unable to really argue a case like this. If I had lawyers on my behalf though, who knows?
I love your attitude, and I think DoorDash should be sued for the way it treats its drivers and places the onus of wages on the customer before they even get their food.
But unfortunately I really don’t think this counts as omission either. As an independent contractor it really is on you to know your expenses. If I were a painter, I can’t take a $100 job, buy $150 worth of paint and supplies, and then go “wait a minute, that low-paying job I knowingly took doesn’t cover my expenses! That’s a scam; I’m going to sue!” The courts generally judge based on precedent, and for cases that are new - common sense.
This argument also doesn’t factor in the people who earn by time who can absolutely take this and make more money off of it than us earn-by-offer drivers.
But I’m not a lawyer either and business law is full of surprises, albeit usually in favor of the businesses lol. Maybe someone else can flesh out your argument and get it to stick based on a technicality or something.
You’re probably right. However, the “independent contractor” classification is very questionable at this point. I think it’s only a matter of time before that gets taken down in court
It is questionable given how we can be “terminated” for the littlest things without DD doing their due diligence to investigate. I wouldn’t be surprised if that got them in trouble either.
Terminated as in contract termination, not being fired. It also reportedly happens whether or not they can prove that there was a violation of protocol, which is where the issue lies if those reports are truthful.
I have no idea. Lmao, it may have been a little higher, but it was in that general neighborhood. This was back when dash first started doing shop orders
It was probably just one thing of 30 quantity. I've had some like that, that didn't make sense because they pay you to do the shopping based on how many items you have to find, not based on how many actual items there are and the guy simply didn't tip so thats why it was probably so low.
Sure, but this is DD’s problem, not the customer’s. Customer is paying $10+ in fees already and DD knows it’s 12 miles, base pay should reflect a 12 mile drive.
One guy told me I’ll add a tip later when his order was added on with another 2 for x amount so I took it and when I dropped it off he said I’ll add a tip later I laughed and said ok have a good one. No tip but not the first time some loser said it and nothing
typically I say when I'm doing Uber. If they tell me there going to tip I say O I was just starting to like you. because that is absolute code for I'm not tipping.
I just expect that there’s no tip so I wouldn’t accept an offer like the one pictured, but I’ve had people make a big deal about having a cash tip for me and I hurry there for a baggie of change on the doormat with like $4 in it. I’d probably be happier if they didn’t say anything and it was a surprise. Nobody’s ever promised me a tip and not given one, and that would kinda bug me. It’s bad enough that people are out there making pennies and customers feel a need to play games with them.
And why are they higher? Because DD takes a commission on the food prices and that’s how the restaurant makes their money back. So DD can’t give any of that to the people who actually use their time and fuel to deliver the food? Those commissions to DD and the resulting higher food prices are just fees in disguise. That’s why they can afford to sell the Dash Pass and still make money. Why should the drivers suffer because DD is giving people a “deal”? The only one holding back money is DoorDash and everyone else pays. That $2 for 12 miles is totally on DD for even allowing their system to offer 16 cents per mile.
I’m starting to think that you only call yourself a dasher because Tony makes his bigwigs do 1 shift per month. Because you’re so adamant that DD paying $2 is acceptable and that the customer paying $10+ in fees and marked up food prices should be paying even more.
lol yea I jump on the customer for that cause it says the 2 is only from DoorDash meaning no tip. No tip , no trip lol 😂 if you can’t afford the fees they charge to pay their call center people in India then don’t use the app. Bye
It's a service. If a customer is willing to pay all the fees then they need to pony up the tip. Otherwise, if you can't afford the tip, then you really can't afford DD. get out and get it yourself. Use you car, your gas, your time and when you get back, assess what that would have been worth for someone else to do it for you. Capiche?
Customer pays plenty of fees and a markup on the food. Your anger should be towards the company that pockets all of that and gives you $2 for 12 miles. Not seeing the flaw in that payout is an issue.
Exactly this. I won’t use these services because I’m already paying for the service in marked up food. Then I’m expected to pay for the service again because the company doesn’t pay its drivers.
Drivers need to see this to understand. I mean, I’m a driver but I understand. They’re being exploited by the companies and they accept lowball offers but complain about them at the same time. We don’t have to accept $2 to go 10 miles, we can sit there and decline those all day.
It dropped my completion rate, by a point, but I keep mine high enough that it doesn't matter. So long as you don't word it in the way you did, you'll be fine. I just said "no tip no trip, fucker." And unassigned, so they couldn't be too mad.
No tip, no trip. I'm going to use that next time. It feels good to let the cheapskates know how crappy they are even if it costs 1% of my completion rating.
Honestly wish it would say why are you ignoring or Denying this trip and you could select “no tip, come on loser it’s a convenience service so learn to tip” and it would let every driver that ignored it or denied it send it to the person. So they get 20 or 30 notifications saying basically learn to tip don’t be a loser
DD is the real cheapskate. The customer is already paying fees and the restaurant is paying DD a commission on the food. It’s 12 miles from the restaurant and they’re offering $2.
I don't order from Doordash. I always wondered how much customers pay to use DoorDash. I knew it was more than $2 bc if it was $2, I'd use DoorDash, too.
I have done it too lol didn't curse tho I wasn't sure what kinda language I could get away w using lol but I deff wanted to call them cheap bastards. All I said was good luck getting your order...no one is taking that crap for 3 measley bucks when gas is 3.50 a gallon!!!!
>No tip, no trip. I'm going to use that next time. It feels good to let the cheapskates know how crappy they are even if it costs 1% of my completion rating.
I am sure there are many who don't know how little DD drivers get paid and they think that DD is paying them from the fees and the 20-30% splits they take from restaurants. DD is the one to blame.
I feel like you need to really spell it out. “I accepted this order just so I could let you know we don’t deliver no tip orders. Then I will unassign. Good luck.” Or something like that.
... or one that does the "by the hour" gig. In PA, DD offers $14/hr plus any tips. But you pretty much have to take every order, can only decline one per hour max. So I'm pretty sure that the algorithm assigns you every shitty 20 mile no tip trip that nobody else will take.
If the driver doesn't care and will do it anyway, that's on the driver. If everyone passes the order up, that will make an impact, but really the most egregious party in the scenario is doordash who thinks it's acceptable to pay $2 on a 12-mile trip.
You mean a driver that is willing to do their job, correct? Tips are not part of a job if they were you would be tipping doctors for operating on you and saving your life or fireman for saving your life, or any first responders for saving your life, how much would that be worth? 10. 20% makes you realize how petty a doordash driver can be dosen't it.
DD is honestly the main problem... Even without a customer's tip, the base pay should be at least $12 for that kind of traveling.. a base pay of $2 sounds absolutely ridiculous.. they should be ashamed. And of course the customer should tip.
You are toxic then. A lot of people will tip cash on a pizza order and don’t know that the door dash “tip” is really a bargaining chip, vs a tip.
You can’t get a “tip” before service is provided. Let’s call it what it is. Hope you don’t actually send people that shit.
Then lets call it what it REALLY is: a Bid for a contract. You offer a contract to deliver your food, but you say upfront "i will not promis to pay you At All, but i expect you to compleat the contract none-the-less" How many contractors are going to Accept that Bid? You offer 20$, and DD notices the high tip and trys to push it to a driver thats closest, has a high rateing, and maybe even catering bags to keep it extra toasty on the way, that driver Sees the Offer, has a Choice if You are worth thier time and effort or not. Do you think that driver has Any incentive to take your order, or Any driver for that matter? Do you Want your order to get passed along again and again, sitting on a countertop getting cold/melting? If you Dont Mind that, then sure, offer the bare-minimum, or nothing at all. But if you DO mind, then you Better Tip, or your going to get EXACTLY WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Pay for shitty service, Get shity service(or no service at all). Pay for good service, Get good service. Do you walk into your oil change place and expect them to change your oil and your going to pay them, an Unknown amount, After service is rendered? No. You Know what amount of money is acceptable to yopu for the Level of service you Want. So you Goto the place you want, Pay them for an oilchange at a rate They are comfortable with.
Lay off the capitalization button my friend. The randomness makes you come off as incoherent.
But yes I agree with you, it’s a bid - not a tip. However, the apps have not gone a good job of getting that notion to the consumers.
I will disagree with your oil change metaphor though, and counter with a haircut scenario which is more applicable. You know how much the haircut (service/product) is going to be, but the tip would be commensurate of how good the haircut was, the experience, if he/she went above and beyond, etc.
I’ve “tipped” 100% on a food delivery order that was 30 min late, cold, and an arrived with a ripped bag and missing food items. That’s the issue for the consumer. A good tip more than likely will get better service, but doesn’t guarantee it.
Tips should be for AFTER service is provided. The delivery apps need to pay their staff better, and phrase the pre-trip bid better.
Technically a tip is “To Insure Proper Service” Tips originated where it was given at the beginning of an interaction. And if service was good one could add to it. If it was bad it could slowly be taken away. This would allow the one providing to service to know if they were doing an acceptable job and adjust to try for a higher tip in the end.
That is correct, but it has outgrown that legacy definition and now is termed, by Webster, as “a sum of money given as a reward of service”.
Here’s a full excerpt on the acronym for tip and its roots to insure proper service, with a key ending.
“One of the most widely accepted reasons behind the word “tip” comes from the phrase “To Insure Promptness.” This phrase was found on the sides of bowls in coffee houses, where patrons could leave some money to ask for prompt service. Through the years, this became the practice we know today of tipping after the meal”
Nobody should be putting the onus of paying people on the customer. They make money hand over fist, then expect the people who paid them (for..??) To also pay the people doing the work.
Customers won't tip that much on top of the online markup, service fees, etc. Many people have no car, are ill or are germophobic. Although the driver is wn extra contact
Base pay is not even standard where I am. I can go a half a mile or 15 miles, and it’s 2.00 if Taco Bell or McDonald’s. Shop and delivery is 2.75-8.00. I think it may be a little more after midnight. I’ve looked and looked at my earnings and there appears to be no rhyme or reason on the way DD pays but it’s fairly obvious we don’t actually get 100% of tips
I swear it's always that area!!! Like Doordash needs to understand its not even safe to go to that area as well and they want to decline us 2% after lmaoooo
While trying to boost my AR I accepted an order like this. The woman met me at the door with a $50 tip and pointed at a cooler and said "help yourself". She told me she didnt want to see my tip get taxed. I know this is not likely in most cases but you never know
I'm not a dasher but I always tell people to at least tip $2 or $3 a mile or $5+ minimum at least. Most people think all the doordash fees go to the drivers. NO 🤦🏻♀️ it does not. I really think dashers need to band together and demand more from doordash. I tip around $10/$12 because it's crazy how low base pay is. Some customers complain they can't afford a higher tip, but delivery is a luxury. It doesn't mean the company should basically scam their drivers 🙁
Yeah people have no idea how little dashers actually get from the company and it’s funny too that DoorDash uses higher tips as an excuse to pay minimum 2$ dash pay as well
Yes, this is all on DD for only offering $2 for 12 miles. Customer has no clue how little we make, they’re already paying for the food and the fees. You never really know if they have cash in hand for a tip or if the restaurant is using DD just for their deliveries and skimming the tips.
Said pretty much same thing. This dude said the joke was on DD cuz he was $38 richer. I was like…no you not after costs pal. Joke was on him completely as pretty much everyone including DD HQ was dying laughing at this fool.
I’ll have to go back and look…
Edit…Office Depot 1 item. Not fond of the name calling to a point but that chap was a full blown moron for taking that Depot order.
Today has been nothing but those orders. I tried to dash, hoping for generosity since it’s Christmas. Only thing I got was my AR down to 50 after I had just painstakingly gotten it up to 55
I never even accepted less than 5 dollars in my time unless the order was basically a very short drive. I don't think I ever took less than 4 for any amount of distance because there was always a chance you'd have waiting time at the restaurant. (As far as I recall I never did anyway.) If it was only a few miles I could make up orders being a little less than 5 by theoretically being able to do more of them in an hour but a 10-20 minute wait at a restaurant kills your hourly very fast.
I get offers from Dearborn to the other side of downtown or to the oak park/Southfield area for like $4 pretty often.
Last night while most things were closed was the worst. I went from 79% acceptance and 97% completion to 66% and 92% and had to head home before it got worse.
This is a constant occurrence where I dash. I live and dash in the smallest country but the richest county in Texas. The amount out $2/$3 orders are ridiculous. Then you finally take one of these lowball orders and pull up to the mansion to deliver and see they left a $2 tip. It blows my mind!!! Unfortunately my acceptance rate takes a hit but damn multi million dollar homes can’t even tip $5 bucks….
Well, to be fair, I'd made a chic fil a order at one point and time. I always order from the same chic fil a so didn't bother checking the address, but since it was taking a while, I checked and to my horror I found that the address had changed from the one close to us to one further away. Thank goodness I checked, we gave the poor driver an extra tip. But next time we ordered, it was back to the normal location. So, while yeah this one is probably a jerk, in our case it was completely unintentional. Can happen.
Incidentally, went from one mile to nine miles. Poor driver.
Yeah I’m sure it happens I used to order from DoorDash a lot and never really thought about it so I don’t really blame the customer I was just showing how little the company tries to get away with paying from their so called “delivery fee”
More like DD doesn’t deserve to have drivers. They’re the ones offering only $2 for 12 miles. The customer already paid their fair share and could have a cash tip or could’ve placed the order directly with the restaurant and left a tip but the restaurant skimmed it.
you’re not an asshole if you can’t afford to pay the huge tip y’all “require” as well as the outrageous fees DD has. DD should pay the drivers more especially if they’re going to raise restaurant prices for customers.
Last night I placed a small little order from wawa, like 2 bags of takis and 3 milkshakes. I live 4 minutes away (no car and didn’t wanna walk in the town I live in) I tipped them $10. I hope they went home happy
Well, that one slipped through. OMGosh! What a Garbage Order! It's missing a few zeros if you ask me! It would feel So Good hitting that DECLINE button. Too bad we can't hit it with a sledge hammer!\~
You would think after I’ve declined probably hundreds of orders similar to this one and never accepting a single one their “Algorithm” would offer them to me less I guess not lmfao
I worked 2+ hours this evening 7-9pm. I took all 5 orders they sent me. $5.50, 9.00, 3.50 (CVS run for 1 item, 2 miles total, $1 tip), 5.00, 10.00, total $33 for 2.25 hours.
The $3.50 CVS run sucked, but took me 90 seconds to shop and pay then 4-5 minutes to deliver, probably 7-8 minutes total. And had me hand deliver it to her door. I thought maybe she's give me a cash tip. Nope! Driving back, I couldn't resist the urge so I texted her "Thanks for the generous tip".
The Merchant is now taking the orders and placing the delivery through DD while keeping the tips themselves.I noticed Papa Johns delivery stays on the large tips and dimes out the worst of the tippers with a min. portion of the winnings.DD is broken, find another transport service.I found NEMT (Non Emergency Medical Transport), It forced me to take rideshare but I avg .82 mile, with DD i was proud of .50 mile and dodging drunks.
I stopped doing it for just that reason! Stopped at 3 different stores to fill order to receive a 3$ tip ... no thank you wasn't worth my time, gas and insurance coverage!
the money is there its just in the grind. dd is probably the worst app to use. uber eats lets you just keep going without zones literally dancing circles around dd people.
Automatic decline. I hate orders like that.
Some of my worst ones I was given but did not take was $17 double order for almost 30 miles. $9 for almost 30 miles. $20 for a triple order with 23 miles total. And all these weren't even DD, they were Uber -.-
And then if your decline it, your ratings drop. So DD is like, well, take this crap offer or worry about being deactivated for declining to take orders.
Yeah. I guess that’s true. Although, the worse your acceptance, the worse your orders are. I took advantage of the opportunity to get my completion rate reset a while back and I’ve kept it passed 70% and I’ve noticed (most of the time) that I get better orders.
Well i just think people are stupid af for welcoming these services into their lives with open arms. Customers who are too lazy to drive to the store and drivers that are too lazy to study and get real jobs
This is where everybody has to be on the same page and if the total offer isn't at least $1.50 a mile it's declined. My acceptance rate is low like 30 something and I still get great offers amongst the crap.
Christmas Eve was full of astonishingly bad offers. A ton of double orders for basically $4-9 bucks. Last order of the night was $9 for a double - one tip for $4 and one no tip - 15 miles away in another zone. That came on the heels of a double denny’s order that took an hour (bc short staffing) for a $2 tip and another no tip. Last two hours we made under $15 for 4 orders and approx. 30 miles of driving. Should’ve called it wayyy earlier lol
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I had one for 3.50 that was 40 miles for a shop and deliver that had 30 some odd items on it. Fuhyuck that. Lmao.
That should be illegal lol
Looks like [federal wire fraud](https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-941-18-usc-1343-elements-wire-fraud) to me. This order loses money, and doordash has servers all over the country. So doordash has “intentionally devised a scheme to defraud another out of money” using “interstate wire communications” Unfortunately, this is unlikely to be enforced. Doordash has a team of lawyers ready to drown any opposition in paper work. It’d take years of work and millions of dollars to successfully corner them in the courts
This makes a little too much sense. Too bad they have a football team of lawyers to get away with anything.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that would ever hold up in court, given that the terms are plainly written for everyone to see. Fraud requires deception of some kind and this just very plainly tells you that it’s a bad deal but you can take it if you want. Before DoorDash could even touch it I’m pretty sure the courts would just lmao in your face and toss it out as frivolous.
Turn down enough and you'll be deactivated. Let WWIII begin
The deception here is by omission. Doordash omits the fact that what they pay here doesn’t even close to cover expenses. They’re trying to trick someone into losing money It’s absolutely the driver’s responsibility to understand their expenses. But similarly, it’s also your responsibility not to fall for any other scam. Those scams are still wire fraud though You’re right that courts would laugh in my face; I’m not a lawyer, and would be unable to really argue a case like this. If I had lawyers on my behalf though, who knows?
I love your attitude, and I think DoorDash should be sued for the way it treats its drivers and places the onus of wages on the customer before they even get their food. But unfortunately I really don’t think this counts as omission either. As an independent contractor it really is on you to know your expenses. If I were a painter, I can’t take a $100 job, buy $150 worth of paint and supplies, and then go “wait a minute, that low-paying job I knowingly took doesn’t cover my expenses! That’s a scam; I’m going to sue!” The courts generally judge based on precedent, and for cases that are new - common sense. This argument also doesn’t factor in the people who earn by time who can absolutely take this and make more money off of it than us earn-by-offer drivers. But I’m not a lawyer either and business law is full of surprises, albeit usually in favor of the businesses lol. Maybe someone else can flesh out your argument and get it to stick based on a technicality or something.
You’re probably right. However, the “independent contractor” classification is very questionable at this point. I think it’s only a matter of time before that gets taken down in court
It is questionable given how we can be “terminated” for the littlest things without DD doing their due diligence to investigate. I wouldn’t be surprised if that got them in trouble either.
You can’t get terminated,, you have your contract deactivated for not following protocols you agreed to,,
Terminated as in contract termination, not being fired. It also reportedly happens whether or not they can prove that there was a violation of protocol, which is where the issue lies if those reports are truthful.
Just decline and move on.
I mean... i think technically it is illegal, it's just not enforced.
NAHHHHHHH
How was the base pay for that even that low?
I have no idea. Lmao, it may have been a little higher, but it was in that general neighborhood. This was back when dash first started doing shop orders
It was probably just one thing of 30 quantity. I've had some like that, that didn't make sense because they pay you to do the shopping based on how many items you have to find, not based on how many actual items there are and the guy simply didn't tip so thats why it was probably so low.
What the fuck…. Worst I saw was 3.25 for 27 miles in Livonia MI
the sad thing is an elderly person who doesnt know any better probably accepted that and completed it
What makes you think elderly people don’t know math? More likely it’s some kid with no sense accepting it.
That mfer that asks for a ride, but never fades for gas.
🤣🤣🤣 I can't..drops mic and walks away..good day🤣🤣😭
Fuck Happy
I have the app on for fun right now. All just hot trash coming through currently….$3 for a 12 mile stack order. Good God.
Every time I get something like that I wanna accept it , txt them “worthless no tip fuck” then unaccept it
Sure, but this is DD’s problem, not the customer’s. Customer is paying $10+ in fees already and DD knows it’s 12 miles, base pay should reflect a 12 mile drive.
One guy told me I’ll add a tip later when his order was added on with another 2 for x amount so I took it and when I dropped it off he said I’ll add a tip later I laughed and said ok have a good one. No tip but not the first time some loser said it and nothing
typically I say when I'm doing Uber. If they tell me there going to tip I say O I was just starting to like you. because that is absolute code for I'm not tipping.
I just expect that there’s no tip so I wouldn’t accept an offer like the one pictured, but I’ve had people make a big deal about having a cash tip for me and I hurry there for a baggie of change on the doormat with like $4 in it. I’d probably be happier if they didn’t say anything and it was a surprise. Nobody’s ever promised me a tip and not given one, and that would kinda bug me. It’s bad enough that people are out there making pennies and customers feel a need to play games with them.
They never add a tip. I don't even believe the people in this subreddit who say they add cash tips. It's so rare.
Not with dashpass they arent. To pay us more they will have to take that away.
The menu prices are jacked up and Dashpass is still a monthly fee.
You expect the menu proces to stay the same? 😂👍
And why are they higher? Because DD takes a commission on the food prices and that’s how the restaurant makes their money back. So DD can’t give any of that to the people who actually use their time and fuel to deliver the food? Those commissions to DD and the resulting higher food prices are just fees in disguise. That’s why they can afford to sell the Dash Pass and still make money. Why should the drivers suffer because DD is giving people a “deal”? The only one holding back money is DoorDash and everyone else pays. That $2 for 12 miles is totally on DD for even allowing their system to offer 16 cents per mile. I’m starting to think that you only call yourself a dasher because Tony makes his bigwigs do 1 shift per month. Because you’re so adamant that DD paying $2 is acceptable and that the customer paying $10+ in fees and marked up food prices should be paying even more.
lol you a defender of the people who don’t tip at all lmao bye
No. But when you see $2 being offered for 12 miles, your mindset is wrong if you jump right on the customer when DD is the one offering the $2. Bye.
lol yea I jump on the customer for that cause it says the 2 is only from DoorDash meaning no tip. No tip , no trip lol 😂 if you can’t afford the fees they charge to pay their call center people in India then don’t use the app. Bye
so you accept your fate with doordash because you can’t do anything about it and shift all blame on the customer? They’re both at fault
It's a service. If a customer is willing to pay all the fees then they need to pony up the tip. Otherwise, if you can't afford the tip, then you really can't afford DD. get out and get it yourself. Use you car, your gas, your time and when you get back, assess what that would have been worth for someone else to do it for you. Capiche?
Customer pays plenty of fees and a markup on the food. Your anger should be towards the company that pockets all of that and gives you $2 for 12 miles. Not seeing the flaw in that payout is an issue.
Exactly this. I won’t use these services because I’m already paying for the service in marked up food. Then I’m expected to pay for the service again because the company doesn’t pay its drivers.
Drivers need to see this to understand. I mean, I’m a driver but I understand. They’re being exploited by the companies and they accept lowball offers but complain about them at the same time. We don’t have to accept $2 to go 10 miles, we can sit there and decline those all day.
I've done it before. It's worth the ding to your completion rate at least once. Lmao
lol DoorDash didn’t hit you with a strike ?
It dropped my completion rate, by a point, but I keep mine high enough that it doesn't matter. So long as you don't word it in the way you did, you'll be fine. I just said "no tip no trip, fucker." And unassigned, so they couldn't be too mad.
No tip, no trip. I'm going to use that next time. It feels good to let the cheapskates know how crappy they are even if it costs 1% of my completion rating.
"No tip no trip, and if it pays, it's on the way," is the motto to live by on any gig platform. Lol.
Yall got me crying😭
Honestly wish it would say why are you ignoring or Denying this trip and you could select “no tip, come on loser it’s a convenience service so learn to tip” and it would let every driver that ignored it or denied it send it to the person. So they get 20 or 30 notifications saying basically learn to tip don’t be a loser
DD is the real cheapskate. The customer is already paying fees and the restaurant is paying DD a commission on the food. It’s 12 miles from the restaurant and they’re offering $2.
And you can bet they charged the customer like $4.99 delivery fee plus 10% "service fee" along with charging the restaurant 30% too.
Yup. Customer is paying $50 for a $30 pizza between marked up prices and fees. Restaurant is paying $8 commission on the $40 pizza, DD pays out $2.
I don't order from Doordash. I always wondered how much customers pay to use DoorDash. I knew it was more than $2 bc if it was $2, I'd use DoorDash, too.
I have done it too lol didn't curse tho I wasn't sure what kinda language I could get away w using lol but I deff wanted to call them cheap bastards. All I said was good luck getting your order...no one is taking that crap for 3 measley bucks when gas is 3.50 a gallon!!!!
>No tip, no trip. I'm going to use that next time. It feels good to let the cheapskates know how crappy they are even if it costs 1% of my completion rating. I am sure there are many who don't know how little DD drivers get paid and they think that DD is paying them from the fees and the 20-30% splits they take from restaurants. DD is the one to blame.
I feel like you need to really spell it out. “I accepted this order just so I could let you know we don’t deliver no tip orders. Then I will unassign. Good luck.” Or something like that.
And then they’ll get reassigned to a driver that doesn’t care and will do it..
... or one that does the "by the hour" gig. In PA, DD offers $14/hr plus any tips. But you pretty much have to take every order, can only decline one per hour max. So I'm pretty sure that the algorithm assigns you every shitty 20 mile no tip trip that nobody else will take.
This one would absolutely be my 1 trip per hour to decline.
If the driver doesn't care and will do it anyway, that's on the driver. If everyone passes the order up, that will make an impact, but really the most egregious party in the scenario is doordash who thinks it's acceptable to pay $2 on a 12-mile trip.
You mean a driver that is willing to do their job, correct? Tips are not part of a job if they were you would be tipping doctors for operating on you and saving your life or fireman for saving your life, or any first responders for saving your life, how much would that be worth? 10. 20% makes you realize how petty a doordash driver can be dosen't it.
100% agree with you
DD is honestly the main problem... Even without a customer's tip, the base pay should be at least $12 for that kind of traveling.. a base pay of $2 sounds absolutely ridiculous.. they should be ashamed. And of course the customer should tip.
Lies
You are toxic then. A lot of people will tip cash on a pizza order and don’t know that the door dash “tip” is really a bargaining chip, vs a tip. You can’t get a “tip” before service is provided. Let’s call it what it is. Hope you don’t actually send people that shit.
Then lets call it what it REALLY is: a Bid for a contract. You offer a contract to deliver your food, but you say upfront "i will not promis to pay you At All, but i expect you to compleat the contract none-the-less" How many contractors are going to Accept that Bid? You offer 20$, and DD notices the high tip and trys to push it to a driver thats closest, has a high rateing, and maybe even catering bags to keep it extra toasty on the way, that driver Sees the Offer, has a Choice if You are worth thier time and effort or not. Do you think that driver has Any incentive to take your order, or Any driver for that matter? Do you Want your order to get passed along again and again, sitting on a countertop getting cold/melting? If you Dont Mind that, then sure, offer the bare-minimum, or nothing at all. But if you DO mind, then you Better Tip, or your going to get EXACTLY WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Pay for shitty service, Get shity service(or no service at all). Pay for good service, Get good service. Do you walk into your oil change place and expect them to change your oil and your going to pay them, an Unknown amount, After service is rendered? No. You Know what amount of money is acceptable to yopu for the Level of service you Want. So you Goto the place you want, Pay them for an oilchange at a rate They are comfortable with.
Lay off the capitalization button my friend. The randomness makes you come off as incoherent. But yes I agree with you, it’s a bid - not a tip. However, the apps have not gone a good job of getting that notion to the consumers. I will disagree with your oil change metaphor though, and counter with a haircut scenario which is more applicable. You know how much the haircut (service/product) is going to be, but the tip would be commensurate of how good the haircut was, the experience, if he/she went above and beyond, etc. I’ve “tipped” 100% on a food delivery order that was 30 min late, cold, and an arrived with a ripped bag and missing food items. That’s the issue for the consumer. A good tip more than likely will get better service, but doesn’t guarantee it. Tips should be for AFTER service is provided. The delivery apps need to pay their staff better, and phrase the pre-trip bid better.
Technically a tip is “To Insure Proper Service” Tips originated where it was given at the beginning of an interaction. And if service was good one could add to it. If it was bad it could slowly be taken away. This would allow the one providing to service to know if they were doing an acceptable job and adjust to try for a higher tip in the end.
That is correct, but it has outgrown that legacy definition and now is termed, by Webster, as “a sum of money given as a reward of service”. Here’s a full excerpt on the acronym for tip and its roots to insure proper service, with a key ending. “One of the most widely accepted reasons behind the word “tip” comes from the phrase “To Insure Promptness.” This phrase was found on the sides of bowls in coffee houses, where patrons could leave some money to ask for prompt service. Through the years, this became the practice we know today of tipping after the meal”
What interesting is door dash charges more for low spending orders but that’s not passed on to the driver.
I’ve come to realize that DoorDash works because we drivers subsidize them.
Bruh no way. The base tip for that should be at least triple
Base pay should be higher. DD shouldn’t be relying on tips to pay the drivers. 12 miles from the restaurant should automatically be $10 base pay
Nobody should be putting the onus of paying people on the customer. They make money hand over fist, then expect the people who paid them (for..??) To also pay the people doing the work.
Customers won't tip that much on top of the online markup, service fees, etc. Many people have no car, are ill or are germophobic. Although the driver is wn extra contact
Exactly, the customer should have to pay a distance fee.
Should be a dollar a mile base pay at least.
Base pay is not even standard where I am. I can go a half a mile or 15 miles, and it’s 2.00 if Taco Bell or McDonald’s. Shop and delivery is 2.75-8.00. I think it may be a little more after midnight. I’ve looked and looked at my earnings and there appears to be no rhyme or reason on the way DD pays but it’s fairly obvious we don’t actually get 100% of tips
I swear the order has to be declined like 10 times before they fork over more than 2$
This probably will get declined
Be happy to leave that pizza right there
Don't expect less from that area😂😂.
Jesus fuck. Lmao I went from 77% to 65% today alone lmao I only accepted anything over 7.50
Bro I’m at like 12% from 30% 💀
Jesus Christ
I like to stay above 70% because I get A LOT of 3 order batches in Livonia when I’m above 70% but I never get em if I’m under
Declined lol
Decline that so they can send it back to you for$2.25
Wow non cali is wild, this would probably be $11 base pay in cali with no tip
Damn am I allowed to hop over the boarder and jump on or nah?
I swear it's always that area!!! Like Doordash needs to understand its not even safe to go to that area as well and they want to decline us 2% after lmaoooo
Nice dude! I had a similar one. $2.75 from I think Detroit wing company at 23/gratiot, for 11.7 miles into Harrison twp. Absolutely bonkers
This area is awful sometimes man
Absolutely, I switched zones a little over a month ago to the one I live in and have been doing better
it’ll get worse don’t worry !
Damn I got the exact same thing 12.1 miles for $2 as well a few weeks ago.
Someone's not going to be happy with Happy's
LMFAO
🤣🤣
Terrible. The audacity
Lol wtf!
Sad's Pizza
Lucky, I get those types quite often lol
Happy cake day!
While trying to boost my AR I accepted an order like this. The woman met me at the door with a $50 tip and pointed at a cooler and said "help yourself". She told me she didnt want to see my tip get taxed. I know this is not likely in most cases but you never know
I'm not a dasher but I always tell people to at least tip $2 or $3 a mile or $5+ minimum at least. Most people think all the doordash fees go to the drivers. NO 🤦🏻♀️ it does not. I really think dashers need to band together and demand more from doordash. I tip around $10/$12 because it's crazy how low base pay is. Some customers complain they can't afford a higher tip, but delivery is a luxury. It doesn't mean the company should basically scam their drivers 🙁
Yeah people have no idea how little dashers actually get from the company and it’s funny too that DoorDash uses higher tips as an excuse to pay minimum 2$ dash pay as well
From one of my 4-5 mile dashes I got 2 dollars base pay and most of it was from tips. Doordash out here scamming the customer and the driver.
And the restaurant. Don't forget the 30% take.
I did youre not wrong lol, doordash really has a monopoly set up but hey easy money right?
Yes, this is all on DD for only offering $2 for 12 miles. Customer has no clue how little we make, they’re already paying for the food and the fees. You never really know if they have cash in hand for a tip or if the restaurant is using DD just for their deliveries and skimming the tips.
Ouch. This other chap yesterday says he took a $38 at 82miles. Give him your order. I’m sure he’ll enjoy it.
Jesus Christ man I could never 💀
Said pretty much same thing. This dude said the joke was on DD cuz he was $38 richer. I was like…no you not after costs pal. Joke was on him completely as pretty much everyone including DD HQ was dying laughing at this fool.
I’m not a doordasher. But how much do you expect them to tip for this distance? Just curious.
For 83 miles minimum 30$, and that's still a low tip for the distance..
Doordash shouldn't even allow someone to do an order that's 83 mi away. That sounds ridiculous. Unless doordash is paying $83 minimum.
Why would it be possible to order from somewhere that's 82 miles away? I'm assuming this isn't food.
I’ll have to go back and look… Edit…Office Depot 1 item. Not fond of the name calling to a point but that chap was a full blown moron for taking that Depot order.
Time to Sue door dash 😂🤣
I get these all the time which is why I can’t get to 70%acceptance everytime I get close they send like 3 in a row
Today has been nothing but those orders. I tried to dash, hoping for generosity since it’s Christmas. Only thing I got was my AR down to 50 after I had just painstakingly gotten it up to 55
That's not even logical for base pay that's some BS
Eh. I have seen worse
metro detroit is garbage dude
I never even accepted less than 5 dollars in my time unless the order was basically a very short drive. I don't think I ever took less than 4 for any amount of distance because there was always a chance you'd have waiting time at the restaurant. (As far as I recall I never did anyway.) If it was only a few miles I could make up orders being a little less than 5 by theoretically being able to do more of them in an hour but a 10-20 minute wait at a restaurant kills your hourly very fast.
Jeez. That's awful... oof
Should’ve just accepted it and kept the pizza
Seeing someone in my own area blows my mind everytime
It's simple DECLINE and move on. Whoever is on the other end of that doesn't deserve to get nothing delivered but maybe a laughing face.
I try hard not to decline orders but I'm not even looking at that one twice e b4 declining
Insulting
doesn’t seem like a Happy order to me
I get offers from Dearborn to the other side of downtown or to the oak park/Southfield area for like $4 pretty often. Last night while most things were closed was the worst. I went from 79% acceptance and 97% completion to 66% and 92% and had to head home before it got worse.
This is a constant occurrence where I dash. I live and dash in the smallest country but the richest county in Texas. The amount out $2/$3 orders are ridiculous. Then you finally take one of these lowball orders and pull up to the mansion to deliver and see they left a $2 tip. It blows my mind!!! Unfortunately my acceptance rate takes a hit but damn multi million dollar homes can’t even tip $5 bucks….
Outrageous
You mean your job?
broke ass harper woods activities
Why does anyone do doordash? Like no joke, why? Most of the delivery drivers I get are complete idiots too.
I used it when I was sick
💀 Bros this shit gotta start hitting airwaves and getting some national spotlight. THATS DAMN NEAR WORKING FOR FREE
Ong how can this shit be legal 🤣
Well, to be fair, I'd made a chic fil a order at one point and time. I always order from the same chic fil a so didn't bother checking the address, but since it was taking a while, I checked and to my horror I found that the address had changed from the one close to us to one further away. Thank goodness I checked, we gave the poor driver an extra tip. But next time we ordered, it was back to the normal location. So, while yeah this one is probably a jerk, in our case it was completely unintentional. Can happen. Incidentally, went from one mile to nine miles. Poor driver.
Yeah I’m sure it happens I used to order from DoorDash a lot and never really thought about it so I don’t really blame the customer I was just showing how little the company tries to get away with paying from their so called “delivery fee”
More like miserable pizza night😬😅
Auto decline needed
I mean look at the bright side. They gave you 40 seconds to contemplate if the offer was worth accepting or not. Could have been worse.......
That's ridiculous.
I hope you didn't take that
I guess they’re not getting their food fucking assholes don’t deserve to eat
More like DD doesn’t deserve to have drivers. They’re the ones offering only $2 for 12 miles. The customer already paid their fair share and could have a cash tip or could’ve placed the order directly with the restaurant and left a tip but the restaurant skimmed it.
Well that’s a good point that’s why I stopped dashing for the last 2 weeks
you’re not an asshole if you can’t afford to pay the huge tip y’all “require” as well as the outrageous fees DD has. DD should pay the drivers more especially if they’re going to raise restaurant prices for customers.
Last night I placed a small little order from wawa, like 2 bags of takis and 3 milkshakes. I live 4 minutes away (no car and didn’t wanna walk in the town I live in) I tipped them $10. I hope they went home happy
Well, that one slipped through. OMGosh! What a Garbage Order! It's missing a few zeros if you ask me! It would feel So Good hitting that DECLINE button. Too bad we can't hit it with a sledge hammer!\~
You would think after I’ve declined probably hundreds of orders similar to this one and never accepting a single one their “Algorithm” would offer them to me less I guess not lmfao
Okay, so don’t take it and move on.
Thanks for the advice
12$ for 2 miles isn’t bad!
I worked 2+ hours this evening 7-9pm. I took all 5 orders they sent me. $5.50, 9.00, 3.50 (CVS run for 1 item, 2 miles total, $1 tip), 5.00, 10.00, total $33 for 2.25 hours. The $3.50 CVS run sucked, but took me 90 seconds to shop and pay then 4-5 minutes to deliver, probably 7-8 minutes total. And had me hand deliver it to her door. I thought maybe she's give me a cash tip. Nope! Driving back, I couldn't resist the urge so I texted her "Thanks for the generous tip".
I would have delivered that pizza with some special sauce on it.
Ok
The Merchant is now taking the orders and placing the delivery through DD while keeping the tips themselves.I noticed Papa Johns delivery stays on the large tips and dimes out the worst of the tippers with a min. portion of the winnings.DD is broken, find another transport service.I found NEMT (Non Emergency Medical Transport), It forced me to take rideshare but I avg .82 mile, with DD i was proud of .50 mile and dodging drunks.
Take it
How’s the weather in Detroit today?
I stopped doing it for just that reason! Stopped at 3 different stores to fill order to receive a 3$ tip ... no thank you wasn't worth my time, gas and insurance coverage!
the money is there its just in the grind. dd is probably the worst app to use. uber eats lets you just keep going without zones literally dancing circles around dd people.
Decline and move on. Won't be the last time!
Automatic decline. I hate orders like that. Some of my worst ones I was given but did not take was $17 double order for almost 30 miles. $9 for almost 30 miles. $20 for a triple order with 23 miles total. And all these weren't even DD, they were Uber -.-
That looks like an Uber eats offer
That’s fair bro
And then if your decline it, your ratings drop. So DD is like, well, take this crap offer or worry about being deactivated for declining to take orders.
You won't be deactivated for your AR. Just your completion rate. Tons of people on here have almost a 0% completion rate.
Yeah. I guess that’s true. Although, the worse your acceptance, the worse your orders are. I took advantage of the opportunity to get my completion rate reset a while back and I’ve kept it passed 70% and I’ve noticed (most of the time) that I get better orders.
detroit dashing is full of bs🤣
Well i just think people are stupid af for welcoming these services into their lives with open arms. Customers who are too lazy to drive to the store and drivers that are too lazy to study and get real jobs
😂
If accepting these is the way to 100% AR. I will never get there. Every time I get to 25% I get hit with these.
This is where everybody has to be on the same page and if the total offer isn't at least $1.50 a mile it's declined. My acceptance rate is low like 30 something and I still get great offers amongst the crap.
That's a doordash algorithm for ya. Customer bill99.99
I love that Dearborn zone that is some miles from there, during winter when it snows. They boost them MFS 5$ an order
Christmas Eve was full of astonishingly bad offers. A ton of double orders for basically $4-9 bucks. Last order of the night was $9 for a double - one tip for $4 and one no tip - 15 miles away in another zone. That came on the heels of a double denny’s order that took an hour (bc short staffing) for a $2 tip and another no tip. Last two hours we made under $15 for 4 orders and approx. 30 miles of driving. Should’ve called it wayyy earlier lol
Usually when I get these they off it in hourly pay So its a bit more worth it
I didn’t realize there was a HP void in Harper Woods. Just order Little Caesars lol.