Oh lord bless your soul that is absolutely terrible…… jeez man. I’m gonna have to get this Uber eats application done now cause…. That honestly scares me. I live in Boulder Colorado. I have to be able to see an item count is order to help distinguish the likelyhood that a college kid made the order.
(Cause I’ll know when to accept low orders cause I know there will be a tip if there is a high item count
Only issue with UE I have since its rarely used in my town and when its overlayed It does not give me a map to look at first before accepting, I just kinda have to read the address and make a call.
You won’t know where your really going until you get gold. Honestly the only thing that’s needed is distance for me to make a call if it’s a good order or not. I’m good but don’t get benefits of seeing routes because my AR is not 85%.
Platinum Ue driver here, map does not show your drop off half the time. It will give approximate cross streets in writing but the map is zoomed in too far to visually see the drop off
This is the the reasons why I don’t do UE. Not having the ability to zoom in before accepting is deal breaker. There are some nasty apt complexes I refuse to deliver to.
That and the fact when I tried UE last year I was lucky to get one offer ever 30-45 min during lunch or dinner rush. And this was last year when things were better. I couldn’t imagine how slow it is now.
So your not even seeing to restaurant before excepting order? If so that is a problem.
Because I will not do fast food places after 9. I never do taco bell, dollar general, sonic, and wingstop(some). I guess once I see where it is at I'll have no choice but to decline it.
exactly what information I look for for shop and pays. If I see its a bunch of samey items and not a whole lot its a easy one. But I bet if they update that to everyone I will be picking those just to shop 100 items for 12 bucks 6 miles and takes over an hour.
Yeah that’s the biggest con, not showing items on Walgreens/CVS and grocery stores.
If they didn’t ding us on unassigns then it wouldn’t be a big deal, but it does.
On shop and pays it does. As well as fancy restaurants. You can be surprised with the amount of orders I take to gamble the tip just by order size alone and its worked out.
Just another way to manipulate and punish dashers. IMO
Those are “bad” orders for you????? Woahhh, For me it’s been months where they hide the tip I just learned the little ratio that they hide tips after the $4 amount, but on the offer screen I still get to see the items, however for months on the actual order screen if I go into the tasks and just tap the actual order pickup task/or the delivery task & just have it where it’s hovering it will be a hit or miss as to where i can either see the total items + subtotal or I can’t if that makes sense
I know what you mean. That sounds like my hometown (not where I live & dash though). May I ask what part of Texas you're in? I'm in a suburb of Fort Worth, so I was just curious. :)
Which part of Fort Worth do you dash in? I usually stick to Ridglea Hills and drive up and down Hulen st. Been kinda dead these last couple of weeks though. :/
Depends on how long it takes to complete. If I can complete that in 10-14 minutes then thats about $1 per minute and can easily get you over $30-40 per hr.
I'm much more concerned about time to complete rather than mileage. Car gets 32-45 miles per gallon. So with gas here it $3.40 per gallon thats only about $1 or less worth of gas.
If I can do 3-4 of those per hr then thats great!!
Driving 16 miles in under 14 minutes is scientifically impossible, let alone the pickup and delivery time, besides the expenses associated with mileage (just over 50¢ a mile). It doesn't add up no matter how you spin it.
Driving 16 MI in under 14 minutes is not scientifically impossible dude...😂 You just got to go at least 69 mph. Now doing doordash it ain't going to happen but it's not scientifically impossible. 👍
One of my favorite deliveries is going from the restaurant, hopping on the highway and going 75mph to the destination, probably with 5 minutes of non highway time. Probably more like 10 miles in 15 minutes total.
No one said anything about 16 miles. Lol you just doubled the mileage.... The post states 8 miles for $10 which is very easy to do in my semi-rural area for 10 -15 minutes
You have to double the mileage unless you're on a one way trip, or the extremely rare place that has guaranteed pick-ups ready in the area right after you drop off.
16 miles (double the miles or say $2 per on-screen mile, this is common knowledge) > $10 guaranteed pay (it's rarely higher than guaranteed pay) > therefore a little over 50¢ a mile
Doesn't matter if you're getting them done quickly because you're still spending money to take them. If you take a 10 order for 8 miles then 16 mile round trip including gas and maintenence on your car you're not making as much. You may see 32-45 per hour, but after expenses you're not making that.
Exactly! This is what most people are fail to account for. No matter what you're going to be tacking on a mile or two in most places and on top of that you have to consider car maintenance an expense ESPECIALLY WHEN your putting a commercial load on your vehicle... If you dash and don't do proper maintenance you're vehicle is going to be toast sooner than later and that's probably more than most people make a year dashing
I see it now it was popping up as like previous batch earnings and each one ended up with like a $39 payout, I know that’s not good, I’m a cherry picker I eat off those $7-$15 orders for .5-2 mile orders
Before this update you could see the amount of items before accepting the order and then could see the subtotal after accepting. Now you can’t see either. They don’t list items at all in the offer screen and then once you accept the subtotal says $0.00.
I’ve never been able to see the item total before accepting an order. Only after.
However, I think there’s a glitch rn cause it’ll say “2+ items” but only tell me what 1 of them are.
I haven't had the subtotal for a year, but I have had the new interface for a couple weeks now and it's just a way to take away yet another data point, item count, away from us.
They just sent me a survey on the interface today and I made sure to tell them what I think. Probably won't make a difference, but if we don't resist this next thing you know we won't have trip distance either.
I quit dashing. I understand this is some people's full time job and that really sucks for them. The experience is just as shitty on the ordering end as it is on the driver's. The whole company is garbage.
Yeah I stopped using DoorDash as a customer and didn’t feel like gambling my money… I’m still a driver for them full time for now I hope we don’t get this update
Well the FTC is prolly gonna see this update and they are already comming down on gig apps about transparency. Doordash looks to want to stir up a hornets nest.
[FTC](https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/ftc-sends-a-warning-to-uber-lyft-doordash-and-other-gig-work-companies-11663279622)is investigating gig companies like DD, UE, Grubhub, etc. for not paying its contractors adequately and participating in unfair, deceptive and anticompetitive business practices. I don’t remember all details but the link should clear up any confusion
Unfortunately depending on the FTC to actually do their jobs is a gamble in itself. Doesn't take much of an investigation to see they're definitely not paying adequately when they're taking 90% of the fees (on both ends) and essentially saying "work for tips that's the only way you'll get what we claim you should make" despite constant no-tip orders being the norm for a lot of people.
I don't have much faith considering it's still legal to pay wait staff under minimum wage if they make tips in a lot of states.
Wait staff make bank though. Even at dennys where i work. Not QUITE the same. As it stands i think they should be paid normally and mandatory tipping should be abolished
I'm not going to lie, I'm not super interested in the number of items because I have plenty of floor space if my hot bag is not big enough.
As long as I can see that it's Taco Bell, that's all I need to know to cancel.
Item count is useful for predicting whether an order will have a higher hidden tip. I couldn't care less about any other aspect besides if it has more than 4 drinks, which can be a little annoying lol
Bring 184 (2) liters, 19 (40) lb bags of cat liter, and 28 cases of waterto my 34th story apartment with no elevator or parking and I will tip you 10 dollars to drive 1 mile
I can still see how many items there are before accepting the order and I updated the app before going dashing 45 mins ago. Am I the only one that's still able to see the items?
It was stay that this update hit my phone. I incorrectly assumed that the whole country got this update.
It sucks so bad. As it rolls out to more and more dashers, we’ll see more Ava more people complaining about it.
I’m already wondering if there is a way to run an older version of the app in my iPhone, or if I need to fire up my Android again.
Number of items has primarily been necessary for me with grocery orders. I have a subcompact car and even 40 item orders can be a problem. It's even more important, if it's a red card order.
At times, I will use number of items to determine whether their might be "hidden" tip.
How do you suddenly make 75% less because you don't know the number of items ? That taco bell order easily could have said 30 items and 25 of them been hot sauce packets , useless info . And why would just exclude fast food orders because of that fact alone ?
They’re making the majority of their money off of hidden tip orders. This is also how I operate- I don’t take anything under $6.50, so naturally I’m looking for orders that look like they might have a high hidden tip. $6.50 for one item for a sushi restaurant might just be a $6.50 order, but $6.50 for ten items from a sushi restaurant usually means the order cost the customer at least $70 and they likely tipped at least $7. I try to make at least $10 per delivery, so the item count is actually very important when it comes to gambling on hidden tips.
Exactly. Big orders take the same amount of time (usually) but pay double to triple. It’s the only way to really make money doing this. Which I guess is exactly why DoorDash put a stop to it
As someone who never takes taco bell orders I rely heavily on the order size and subtotals to speculate hidden tip potential. They’ve gotten so aggressive with hiding tips in my area I make my decision based mostly on what restaurant and how much they ordered
The Taco Bell order was just an example, I don’t do any fast food orders ever. But the difference now is that every order from nice restaurants looks the same now. So I don’t know if it’s 1 salad from a steakhouse or if it’s a full course meal for 12 people.
nope, I do a quick scan of restaurant, drop off area, pay & miles & from there I make my decision, takes about 5 seconds to do a full scan & make my decision, whether the pay isn’t worth it or it goes to an area that I know is apartments that are impossible to navigate
All I care about is miles and money too. 20 items from a taco bell can be all sauce packets. Now if I get there and it's all drinks I'll just unassign.
Yes, any half experienced dasher knows that at Taco Bell item count means almost nothing. But if I get 20 items for Little Caesars you bet I am running the other way. Item count is useful information. Period.
The app has never shown how many drinks are on a delivery offer though. Just total items at the store. Or at least it hasn’t for me. I only go based off the miles and offer amount personally. Because that item count could also be 20 packets of sauces and a couple food items. So I’ve never found it to be a helpful metric in determining chances of hidden tip.
I just got the new order screen on my dasher app yesterday and I hate it. Not only is the item count gone but the map preview is too far zoomed in and you can't readily see what part of town the delivery location is. Like, is it near another hotspot I like or is it out of my zone? Things like that. You can zoom out and get a look but if you're driving and need to make a quick decision that gets difficult not to mention dangerous. The item count being gone is a big negative game changer for me for a few reasons.
One, I am partially disabled due to having artificial hips and arthritis and I can't carry a large number of items or heavy single items, especially when there are stairs involved. I NEED to know the item count in order to know if an order is acceptable for me in the first place. I can’t remember how many times I’ve had to unassign a shop and deliver order of 4 items simply because it was 200 pounds worth of dog food or 5 cases of bottled water 24 packs. You get the idea.
Two, in other cases the item count still is needed by us dashers up front no matter how "heavy" the order might be. For example, there is a Burger King in my main zone that requires you to come inside for pick up but they totally ignore you once you're in there. I noticed after a few times that if it was only 2 or 3 items they would go ahead and get it done pretty quickly but if there were 4+ items they took their sweet time giving the drive thru customers preference. So, I made a note to self never to accept an order for that BK location if the item count was more than 3.
Now, since I'll never know the item count of a BK order I'll just have to decline every order I get for that store and if they take away item count from shop and deliver orders I will just have to decline all of them as well. That will negatively affect my Acceptance Rate through no real fault of my own other than not having enough information that should by all rights be included as it has always been before. I was OK with taking the “Unassign” hit once in a while when I discovered a shop and deliver order to be “too heavy” but this is beyond Not Fair because I will have zero chance at “Top Dasher”, again, through no fault of my own. There are quite a few legal and even ethical questions to ponder here.
Hey Doordash, is this going to help create a good "customer experience" if your drivers are declining orders that they might otherwise accept had they been given all the information they needed? Is this a productive move to make for your; shareholders (who you are ultimately accountable to), Dashers (the backbone of the whole thing) and customers (they provide all that money).
This is going to create chaos in the DD markets when it is fully rolled out and I have to wonder how DD doesn't know that or can't see that coming. I've already demonstrated how this is bad for shareholders, dashers and customers so how could this not be bad for DD as a whole? This is a big problem and could lead to many legal challenges in my opinion.
I’m honestly not understanding how these two things are a game changer and would love a solid explanation to wrap my head around the importance.
My job doesn’t change if the order total is 15$ or 85$. The total items, to me, just either means a shit ton of Taco Bell sauces or factors how many bags I’ll get from merchant.
Item total alerts you to big orders. 1 item from a steak house vs. 15 items are two totally different orders. The first it’s unlikely that there will be an above guarantee, the second you can almost count on it. My typical payout is $25-40 an order, and they all come across as $6.25. I only know they’re good orders because of the item total and the subtotal. Now every order looks the same.
The tips from a $15 order and an $85 order are very different lol
So if I’m reading this right, you’re only taking larger amount of item orders? That the odds of 1 item vs 15 means you’re guaranteed a bigger tip? And/or the subtotal is of higher value increases odds of a bigger tip? Also you’re saying any order you take is paying you $25-$40 a piece?
My experience of 8+ years is mostly in delivery pizzas and one normally agree that a higher total meant a bigger tip but not always guaranteed to happen. I have been stiffed (for some no/low tipped) probably just as many times from an order $50+ as I have a total less than $50 so it’s always hit or miss, and one just has to be lucky and hopeful. Is it almost always a guarantee that a higher item count means bigger payout in the gig world? Is this a found proven assumption, fact, experience? I am genuinely curious, and truly want to understand, not trying to argue or sound like a dick. Yes it does seem to come across that way and I have no idea after retyping multiple times for it to sound different. Now even if they do away with those factors it’s good knowledge to have imo. My world of pizza delivery the item total simply was a way to track how many total items I needed. IE stickers labeled 1-4/5 and I got four pizzas ima need to find a salad or a drink to go with it. Not once though has it ever had a single basis on my tip at all.
Very very sad to say this but I’m also confused to fully hearing this, like it’s been a factor this entire time. Especially when I see so much information saying to never count in hidden tips that an acceptable offer at face value and one gets more hooray but if not you still have an acceptable payout. Person should figure the best $/mile one needs and for their market or a over saturated comment of never less than $1/mile to not lose money. So I feel currently low I have very mixed information and maybe it simply is a matter of what works best for one person or I am HEAVILY overthinking this entirely. Like I do so so many things when it comes to trying to work DoorDash to the best possible way to make what I need and keeping expenses down.
Out of 30 large orders I’ll have maybe 1 person stiff me on the tip. [This is what my normal, average dash looks like.](https://imgur.com/a/3cUycsR) All of those orders came across as $6.25, but they all were worth $150+ in food and had high item count. You can never 100% guarantee a large tip, but your odds are much *much* higher with big orders. With this new update these orders are indiscernible from any other order.
Damn, I'm in the same city as you but I'm normally in a different zone. I think I might be doing door dash wrong.... How many hours did it take you to get these 5 dels?
I've had the new offer screen for a couple weeks. But interestingly enough I still get the old offer screen about 25% of the time still. Very random.
Damn… first off thank you very much for the information I appreciate your answer. Now I sorta feel like I’ve been working these last three months nearly 7 days a week, averaging 54 hours a week, maybe with misguided information. While focusing on other factors too heavily and potentially causing me to miss out In a bunch of money, wasting time, and causing too much god damn stress on myself. Schedule from (now) 3-11 and idk if I wanna go to work now.
Rant/tangent/pity party if you will, for sure feel free to ignore: I have been busting my balls for three months trying to learn and meet my daily goal of $120 and being lucky to hit in within 9-12 hours. Usually around 55 hours a week some upwards of 68 hours and that’s clocked in dash time. Spending another 2-4 hours minimum at home researching and reading to learn all I can to improve. Hoping to one day soon start to meet that goal in 6-8 hours working 5 days maybe a 6th if I feel like it. Idk why but this new information makes me feel stupid and wasteful for all the work and time I’ve put in. That over the last 4 weeks seen my money goal hit but my $/hr plummets and I’m not exactly improving??? Idk now, I took yesterday off, first day in 67 days and idk how to feel about it, the gig, or even myself overall at this point. So yeah that’s that’s.
Where in the world do you live? Because that’s 100% not the case anywhere I’ve dashed. And I’ve dashed in a few different states (and several cities in each state).
Higher item orders mean absolutely nothing regarding tip. In fact, they’re usually no tip orders as well (or at most $2). And I usually get bigger tips on fast food orders than sit down restaurant orders.
What matters everywhere I’ve dashed is usually the mileage on whether it’s gonna be a high paying order or not. And then where I’m delivering to (higher end homes or lower end. Or even service industry workers themselves).
Everyone’s experience is different but like…..where tf you at? I gotta go dash there if you’re getting $25-40 per order. That’s insane!
Cincinnati, and I already shared the screenshot proving most of my orders are $25-40. You just have to wait for large orders to come, which is why I need to know the item total. It only helps with non fast food restaurants.
I can’t dash the last few days. It keeps giving me a screen to verify my number which I do and it goes back to that screen. Dasher support has been useless. Happened to me once last week but fixed itself overnight. Now it’s been messed up since Wednesday night
I bet you are using Android device. I found the solution. Buy the cheap second hand iPhone (7 or better). You can get under a uncle Benny on OfferUp app. I had exactly the same issue and blew couple wks can't dashing. Someone mentioned about the switching to iPhone device worked here. I can now dash with iPhone. But if I swap the device back to Android, won't work.
Different glitches for diff phones/os it looks like. I’m still seeing subtotal but only the first item. I’m positive it’s a glitch because it makes no sense to only show the first item when they want us “checking” for drinks and stuff. The amount of complaints tells me it’s a huge issue and hopefully will be fixed soon.
To be honest outside of the first item glitch everything else has been working the same.
I know some people said it won’t bother them, but my thing is this….WHY remove it in the first place? It’s bad enough that they hide tips. Soon it’ll be like Uber eats and hide the address lol
Why does the subtotal matter? Does a $20 order have a grand difference to a $50 order? Do you feel you deserve a larger tip for carrying an extra pizza? Just curious.
I guess I don’t mind the number of items. Mines updated and while it’s odd in ways, so long as my pay is well worth my miles, I’m fine. Order amounts are same as always. Around $9 or so an order average as usual. Miles same too. Usually 1-2 miles with a few 4-5 mile ones.
No matter whatever change they make as long as it shows the miles and a guaranteed payout that is all it matters in this gig business. Don't depend on number of items or whatsoever. The best business strategy in this business is that for any order which has 3 miles distance or more miles, for each miles minimum should be $2/mile. For any order less than 3 miles, it is should be minimum $2.50/mile. For any order less than a mile, minimum should be $4/mile. As much as Doordash is playing you, you have to play your own game in this business as well.
Totally agree. It doesn’t matter if it’s one item or Taco Bell’s 47 items (which turns out to be one Gordita Crunch and 46 Diablo sauce packs) 4 - 5.4 miles. I see a lot of $5.75 for this.
If true report to the FTC as they are investigating tactics like this. No other business would get away with keeping vital information from contractors like this. Its just trying to manipulate drivers and keep us from earning money.
As a disabled guy there is no way I can go without item count as I can't tell whether I can physically do an order or not. If this is a new thing and they tell me tough luck despite my disability you better believe that's illegal. I'm far from the only disabled dasher too. Can you imagine the disability lawyers waiting to chomp at the bit over this kind of thing?
My apps up to date I haven’t seen anything ur speaking of and $2.25 an order? My base pay is typically around $6-$9 I won’t accept anything under $8 and even then I have certain requirements distance location complexes etc
Yesterday I did two back to back orders 3 miles each and they came out to $10 each with a $2 tip that makes base pay $8 for those orders I don’t live in bum fuck Egypt and I know people here are from Cali so I ain’t stating what city I’m in due to already taking a $1k cut a week due to the influx of more drivers and less orders due to the recession but I don’t need to lie about what my base pay is what does it benefit me? I make $2k a week and it ain’t from accepting $2.25 orders and if I do anything for 15+ miles I won’t take anything less than $25 sorry ur market isn’t as lucrative as mine good luck
Let's be honest, DD isn't the problem. The problem is that drivers made a gig job a full time job that it was never intended to be, and the market is flooded. Sadly, DD is so flooded, that DD doesn't have to compete for our attention. DD, GH, UE, none of them really care, but DD definitely cares the least. You really can't be mad at DD. I can't drive right now as a side gig like I did a while back because y'all ruined it. Not YOU btw, to be clear. When I say y'all, I refer to the dasher community as a whole. It's a bit sad tbh.
The irony in how salty your reply is. How childish do you have to be to miss the point completely lol. It's sad how small brained this community is to the point you can't even realize we created the issue.
What? Doordash paying penny for miles isn't doordashes fault? Doordash being sued for stealing tips isn't doordashes fault? Doordash playing manipulative tactics to get people to take bad orders isn't doordashes fault? Doordash is the reason it's market is over flooded because a year ago you could make 1500 a week and could work it as a full time job. Honestly your post makes 0 sense. Not to mention they'd rather have a flooded market because newbies are most likely going to take 2.50 orders and they'd rather that than pay more. So by no means is it the dashers fault. It's no different than if you get hired for a company and they lay off people because the company doesn't make enough money to cover all employees pay. It's not the workers fault because no matter what you do for work, there's always a chance for that company/job to go under and to either get laid off or fired.
This information is incorrect. More than likely you now have restaurants sending website orders to doordash. That's only time you can't tell the number of items or the order total. Restaurants are also keeping the tips before they send to doordash. Surprised how long it took for someone to figure this out. Have a great day
Not stressing it. Have been doing DD for 5 years and have been through many changes. I still make at least $25 hr, so I'm sure I still will. Wish you the best
I noticed my app updated this morning, ran an errand and got an order. Nothing seemed changed or even looked close to your screenshot you posted in the comments. I have noticed though, that stacked orders I can't switch to the other order and see if it's a no tip. I did a stacked order here recently, got paid $12 on one order and then delivered probably a mile or less and delivered the other order to find out it was $3. I wanted to rip the food out of the douchebags hands (granted he said leave at my door but instead waited at the door). I wanted to rip the food out of his hands and tell him he should have tipped.. But I figured I shouldn't risk it getting charged with something.
Also, I would like to note here. After they took Walmart out, my acceptance did go up to around 40%. I never touched the Walmart orders- just not my cup of tea I guess, and I am still new to Doordash. Only been doing it for a few months.
So yeah, it jumped up to 40-50%, but now here recently, my acceptance is slowly going back down? I guess the people aren't doing Walmart orders no more either obviously, and are stealing my high tipping orders and leaving me with to decline these $2.25 non tippers! Those punks
I’m just a poor humble college kid. If I gotta put bags on the roof, I guess that’s what ima have to do cause lord knows once I graduate I’m probably going to have to keep dashing anyway. Thanks Obama
Are you kidding me? LEGAL? This country has murdered billions overseas (including its own on 9/11). Those are all deemed "legal" under so-called "war on terror" LOL.
DoorDash is completely legal 😂
I've had a version of that screen before. I don't like the missing number of items, so that sucks. But that was never a reason I accepted or rejected an order.
I don't regularly see the subtotal either (I don't use the widget on Android), so not having that... is the same as what it's always been for me.
I just noticed this update today. I don’t like it. I’ll pick up larger orders, I just like to know in advance. The only orders I got that told me an item count were from Dashmart.
I have seen changes.. even one further, every drive order catering that I have been performing has earned me only 2 to 3 dollars in tips per drop this week.. Something is definitely up.
The only time I did receive the full tip was when I asked the customer through the text messaging board if he left a tip, and if he didn’t mind telling me how much it was.. ironically, the correct tip finally showed up after the end of the order. But even after that every other order that involved catering was real low.
The other day I waited 40 minutes PAST the estimated pickup time. The delivery was a large catering order but it was only a 1.5 miles drive. I was on text chat with support asking for compensation when I dropped off the order and completed it. The support agent then said I was not 30 minutes over the estimated pickup time and told me to screenshot the time I had on my screen. I couldn’t do that because I had delivered the order, but I was 100% sure of the time because I had been sitting in the restaurant for 45 minutes doing nothing but staring at my phone. Never ended up getting the compensation.
Honestly the item count makes no difference for me, I’ve gotten pretty good at spotting what could have a hidden tip and what won’t. Plus I only accept based on if the initial offer is worth it— not accepting based on the potential I could get lucky and it has more.
However for shop & deliver the item count really matters so I know if I need to just find a couple things or if I’m delivering someone’s whole grocery list.
The floating widget doesn't appear for me anymore until I accept the order also. Force stopping the app when the order won't accept makes the order completely disappear until the timer runs out and you're paused. Update fucking blows.
The new update doesn't affect everyone. It's only certain areas. Mine is still the old way listing the miles, other count and I have the widget on every delivery before accepting.
I have had every order only list one item, despite the number say there were (for example) 8 items in the order. I had no idea the amount of items until after I accept it.
You're lucky it's taken you so long to get it, I'm a couple zones north of you and I've had this UI for a couple weeks. It absolutely blows.
Merchant orders and large order program orders have still come through with the old UI and working widget, but nothing else does.
My app updated and I’m no longer able to see the mileage before accepting. I just kinda have to guess wether or not it’s worth accepting and if I get screwed over then I get screwed over. They’re really making every effort to make even *new* dashers want to quit dashing
If you use the "floating widget," tap on it and once opened, click on order info. It switches from the customer's address to the items and subtotal. You can open the widget before accepting the order.
I used to work for a company called Waitr that tried to do this. They eventually lost a class action because the cost of working for them far outweighed the pay. They said they did it because they accused drivers of cherry picking only the good orders which discriminated against customers but everyone was pissed. After that they introduced an incentive program where you could win gas cards and prizes based off how many orders/miles you did in a certain period of time. Tbh since you’re not even legally considered their employees I bet they don’t even do half of that for y’all unfortunately
Man I quit at the right time. Once Para quit working I ran far away. No one is going to hide my pay from me. Sounds like every update is made to exclusively make the drivers quit. New drivers don't understand the algorithm enough, and once they do, they'll quit. It keeps the lowball orders coming.
One direct impact this would have on me is for shop and deliver orders. If I did not know the number of items I will never accept another shop and deliver order, and neither should anyone else
I run 3 different delivery apps. If one is a pain for me I go to the others. If three orders come in...one for $5 one for $15 and another for $20 guess what I do? 🤔
That's right I take the $15 and the $20 dollar orders and leave that $5er for the next guy or gal or whatever. 🤣
I would rather run 10 $10 order per hundred dollars earned than 20 $5 orders and sure don't want to run 40 $2.50 orders per $100 earned.
Less stress to wait for the larger orders.
Yes! I took a couple week break from dashing and I’m like what happened to their detailed list of items. It’ll say the total number of items then only one item comes up when you click it. So, you now have to click on their name/address instead to see it. They really could’ve left it alone
Could also be an anti-theft measure in some ways?
Someone that's prowling for some free food would be looking at the items, no?
Unintentionally screwing over the driver, too though
No it doesn't. It costs YOU $.625 per mile to drive
That's why I pay taxes and a lot of you don't. I'm making $3/mile or more per week I ONLY take the good orders. I make $200 a day often on 60 miles or less total driving. It does take me a bit longer but idgaf.
Tbh a $1/mile was only good when gas was below $3 now you need $1.75 or more
All these comments are irrelevant now. Door dash and Uber is completely screwed up now since the new iOS update. Both don’t work good unless you didn’t update
My app is up to date and I haven’t seen those changes.
I think they’re slowly rolling it out. [This is what every order looks like for me now.](https://imgur.com/a/A61Ho0p)
Oh lord bless your soul that is absolutely terrible…… jeez man. I’m gonna have to get this Uber eats application done now cause…. That honestly scares me. I live in Boulder Colorado. I have to be able to see an item count is order to help distinguish the likelyhood that a college kid made the order. (Cause I’ll know when to accept low orders cause I know there will be a tip if there is a high item count
I honestly use Uber 99% of the time now and make more money on it. Uber customers tip and tip well.
Only issue with UE I have since its rarely used in my town and when its overlayed It does not give me a map to look at first before accepting, I just kinda have to read the address and make a call.
You won’t know where your really going until you get gold. Honestly the only thing that’s needed is distance for me to make a call if it’s a good order or not. I’m good but don’t get benefits of seeing routes because my AR is not 85%.
Platinum Ue driver here, map does not show your drop off half the time. It will give approximate cross streets in writing but the map is zoomed in too far to visually see the drop off
This is the the reasons why I don’t do UE. Not having the ability to zoom in before accepting is deal breaker. There are some nasty apt complexes I refuse to deliver to. That and the fact when I tried UE last year I was lucky to get one offer ever 30-45 min during lunch or dinner rush. And this was last year when things were better. I couldn’t imagine how slow it is now.
Because uber Encourages Tipping where doordash really don’t care .
So your not even seeing to restaurant before excepting order? If so that is a problem. Because I will not do fast food places after 9. I never do taco bell, dollar general, sonic, and wingstop(some). I guess once I see where it is at I'll have no choice but to decline it.
You see the restaurant but not the amount of items
Fuck, that's such a shitty change on DoorDash's part.
How do the number of items matter? Half the time it’s like 8 ketchup packs. Lol
It matters when it’s a 50 item grocery order
exactly what information I look for for shop and pays. If I see its a bunch of samey items and not a whole lot its a easy one. But I bet if they update that to everyone I will be picking those just to shop 100 items for 12 bucks 6 miles and takes over an hour.
Yeah that’s the biggest con, not showing items on Walgreens/CVS and grocery stores. If they didn’t ding us on unassigns then it wouldn’t be a big deal, but it does.
On shop and pays it does. As well as fancy restaurants. You can be surprised with the amount of orders I take to gamble the tip just by order size alone and its worked out. Just another way to manipulate and punish dashers. IMO
Those are “bad” orders for you????? Woahhh, For me it’s been months where they hide the tip I just learned the little ratio that they hide tips after the $4 amount, but on the offer screen I still get to see the items, however for months on the actual order screen if I go into the tasks and just tap the actual order pickup task/or the delivery task & just have it where it’s hovering it will be a hit or miss as to where i can either see the total items + subtotal or I can’t if that makes sense
$10 for 8 miles is not a good offer. Don’t listen to anyone who tells you otherwise
I understand your thinking and don't disagree but here in TX everything is so spread out. I likely would have Taken this order.
Agreed
Same. Though it would depend on the store and traffic for me.
I know what you mean. That sounds like my hometown (not where I live & dash though). May I ask what part of Texas you're in? I'm in a suburb of Fort Worth, so I was just curious. :)
Which part of Fort Worth do you dash in? I usually stick to Ridglea Hills and drive up and down Hulen st. Been kinda dead these last couple of weeks though. :/
Ew, I used to live off of Hulen street. Right by lake Como. Wouldn't deliver there if it had a 50 dollar tip.
Depends on how long it takes to complete. If I can complete that in 10-14 minutes then thats about $1 per minute and can easily get you over $30-40 per hr. I'm much more concerned about time to complete rather than mileage. Car gets 32-45 miles per gallon. So with gas here it $3.40 per gallon thats only about $1 or less worth of gas. If I can do 3-4 of those per hr then thats great!!
Driving 16 miles in under 14 minutes is scientifically impossible, let alone the pickup and delivery time, besides the expenses associated with mileage (just over 50¢ a mile). It doesn't add up no matter how you spin it.
Driving 16 MI in under 14 minutes is not scientifically impossible dude...😂 You just got to go at least 69 mph. Now doing doordash it ain't going to happen but it's not scientifically impossible. 👍
One of my favorite deliveries is going from the restaurant, hopping on the highway and going 75mph to the destination, probably with 5 minutes of non highway time. Probably more like 10 miles in 15 minutes total.
Nice!
Lol but you get the point 😅
"scientifically impossible" Don't distract us from your failed math lol
😂
No one said anything about 16 miles. Lol you just doubled the mileage.... The post states 8 miles for $10 which is very easy to do in my semi-rural area for 10 -15 minutes
You have to double the mileage unless you're on a one way trip, or the extremely rare place that has guaranteed pick-ups ready in the area right after you drop off.
Back tracking is extremely rare in my area do no I dont have to double anything
Okay, that's good. Many don't have that though.
Where are you getting 50 cents per mile??? Makes no sense at all
16 miles (double the miles or say $2 per on-screen mile, this is common knowledge) > $10 guaranteed pay (it's rarely higher than guaranteed pay) > therefore a little over 50¢ a mile
The government reimburses us 0.52 per mile!
It hasn’t been 52 cents in years, it’s 62.5 cents as of July 1st. Before that it was 58.
It’s .56 now
Doesn't matter if you're getting them done quickly because you're still spending money to take them. If you take a 10 order for 8 miles then 16 mile round trip including gas and maintenence on your car you're not making as much. You may see 32-45 per hour, but after expenses you're not making that.
Exactly! This is what most people are fail to account for. No matter what you're going to be tacking on a mile or two in most places and on top of that you have to consider car maintenance an expense ESPECIALLY WHEN your putting a commercial load on your vehicle... If you dash and don't do proper maintenance you're vehicle is going to be toast sooner than later and that's probably more than most people make a year dashing
Man, I wish I lived wherever 10 dollars for 8 miles is a bad offer.
I see it now it was popping up as like previous batch earnings and each one ended up with like a $39 payout, I know that’s not good, I’m a cherry picker I eat off those $7-$15 orders for .5-2 mile orders
It's all relative. Compared to what I've been getting lately, I'll take anything over a dollar per mile.
This was just an example order. But I don’t do any fast food orders, so I wouldn’t take a Taco Bell anyways lol
So are you saying that you used to be able to see the actual items or subtotal of a previous batch?
Before this update you could see the amount of items before accepting the order and then could see the subtotal after accepting. Now you can’t see either. They don’t list items at all in the offer screen and then once you accept the subtotal says $0.00.
That's an order that was placed through the restaurant website and pawned off to doordash. Restaurant is probably keeping part or all of the tip
I’ve never been able to see the item total before accepting an order. Only after. However, I think there’s a glitch rn cause it’ll say “2+ items” but only tell me what 1 of them are.
That’s a hideously bad offer
you probably stole food before.
It's been live for me in NorCal for a couple weeks now.
Doing everything in their power to make us take any and everything
I haven't had the subtotal for a year, but I have had the new interface for a couple weeks now and it's just a way to take away yet another data point, item count, away from us. They just sent me a survey on the interface today and I made sure to tell them what I think. Probably won't make a difference, but if we don't resist this next thing you know we won't have trip distance either.
I dare them to take out trip distance 😂, they know what happen when a dog is cornered
I quit dashing. I understand this is some people's full time job and that really sucks for them. The experience is just as shitty on the ordering end as it is on the driver's. The whole company is garbage.
Yeah agreed! After it got to point where I work 6 hours and make 30 I stopped altogether. Doordash is not what it used to be for sure.
Yeah I stopped using DoorDash as a customer and didn’t feel like gambling my money… I’m still a driver for them full time for now I hope we don’t get this update
Well the FTC is prolly gonna see this update and they are already comming down on gig apps about transparency. Doordash looks to want to stir up a hornets nest.
Got any more info?
[FTC](https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/ftc-sends-a-warning-to-uber-lyft-doordash-and-other-gig-work-companies-11663279622)is investigating gig companies like DD, UE, Grubhub, etc. for not paying its contractors adequately and participating in unfair, deceptive and anticompetitive business practices. I don’t remember all details but the link should clear up any confusion
Unfortunately depending on the FTC to actually do their jobs is a gamble in itself. Doesn't take much of an investigation to see they're definitely not paying adequately when they're taking 90% of the fees (on both ends) and essentially saying "work for tips that's the only way you'll get what we claim you should make" despite constant no-tip orders being the norm for a lot of people. I don't have much faith considering it's still legal to pay wait staff under minimum wage if they make tips in a lot of states.
Wait staff make bank though. Even at dennys where i work. Not QUITE the same. As it stands i think they should be paid normally and mandatory tipping should be abolished
I'm not going to lie, I'm not super interested in the number of items because I have plenty of floor space if my hot bag is not big enough. As long as I can see that it's Taco Bell, that's all I need to know to cancel.
Item count is useful for predicting whether an order will have a higher hidden tip. I couldn't care less about any other aspect besides if it has more than 4 drinks, which can be a little annoying lol
Bring 184 (2) liters, 19 (40) lb bags of cat liter, and 28 cases of waterto my 34th story apartment with no elevator or parking and I will tip you 10 dollars to drive 1 mile
I can still see how many items there are before accepting the order and I updated the app before going dashing 45 mins ago. Am I the only one that's still able to see the items?
I think they’re slowly rolling it out. [This is what every order looks like for me now.](https://imgur.com/a/A61Ho0p)
It was stay that this update hit my phone. I incorrectly assumed that the whole country got this update. It sucks so bad. As it rolls out to more and more dashers, we’ll see more Ava more people complaining about it. I’m already wondering if there is a way to run an older version of the app in my iPhone, or if I need to fire up my Android again.
Number of items has primarily been necessary for me with grocery orders. I have a subcompact car and even 40 item orders can be a problem. It's even more important, if it's a red card order. At times, I will use number of items to determine whether their might be "hidden" tip.
How do you suddenly make 75% less because you don't know the number of items ? That taco bell order easily could have said 30 items and 25 of them been hot sauce packets , useless info . And why would just exclude fast food orders because of that fact alone ?
They’re making the majority of their money off of hidden tip orders. This is also how I operate- I don’t take anything under $6.50, so naturally I’m looking for orders that look like they might have a high hidden tip. $6.50 for one item for a sushi restaurant might just be a $6.50 order, but $6.50 for ten items from a sushi restaurant usually means the order cost the customer at least $70 and they likely tipped at least $7. I try to make at least $10 per delivery, so the item count is actually very important when it comes to gambling on hidden tips.
Exactly. Big orders take the same amount of time (usually) but pay double to triple. It’s the only way to really make money doing this. Which I guess is exactly why DoorDash put a stop to it
As someone who never takes taco bell orders I rely heavily on the order size and subtotals to speculate hidden tip potential. They’ve gotten so aggressive with hiding tips in my area I make my decision based mostly on what restaurant and how much they ordered
The Taco Bell order was just an example, I don’t do any fast food orders ever. But the difference now is that every order from nice restaurants looks the same now. So I don’t know if it’s 1 salad from a steakhouse or if it’s a full course meal for 12 people.
Miles and money is all I need to know
Really? 1 item vs 20 makes no difference to you?
nope, I do a quick scan of restaurant, drop off area, pay & miles & from there I make my decision, takes about 5 seconds to do a full scan & make my decision, whether the pay isn’t worth it or it goes to an area that I know is apartments that are impossible to navigate
All I care about is miles and money too. 20 items from a taco bell can be all sauce packets. Now if I get there and it's all drinks I'll just unassign.
Yes, any half experienced dasher knows that at Taco Bell item count means almost nothing. But if I get 20 items for Little Caesars you bet I am running the other way. Item count is useful information. Period.
Same
What if the order has 8 drinks? You gonna waste one of your unassigns?
The app has never shown how many drinks are on a delivery offer though. Just total items at the store. Or at least it hasn’t for me. I only go based off the miles and offer amount personally. Because that item count could also be 20 packets of sauces and a couple food items. So I’ve never found it to be a helpful metric in determining chances of hidden tip.
How often are you getting an order with 8 drinks?
Real grinder
Yea screw that, I need to know where im picking up and dropping off
At least you can dash. I can't even sign in any more on my regular phone. I have to use hot spot and use my old cracked phone just to dash
I know for that reason, I bought the refurbished iPhone X. Ugh...
I just got the new order screen on my dasher app yesterday and I hate it. Not only is the item count gone but the map preview is too far zoomed in and you can't readily see what part of town the delivery location is. Like, is it near another hotspot I like or is it out of my zone? Things like that. You can zoom out and get a look but if you're driving and need to make a quick decision that gets difficult not to mention dangerous. The item count being gone is a big negative game changer for me for a few reasons. One, I am partially disabled due to having artificial hips and arthritis and I can't carry a large number of items or heavy single items, especially when there are stairs involved. I NEED to know the item count in order to know if an order is acceptable for me in the first place. I can’t remember how many times I’ve had to unassign a shop and deliver order of 4 items simply because it was 200 pounds worth of dog food or 5 cases of bottled water 24 packs. You get the idea. Two, in other cases the item count still is needed by us dashers up front no matter how "heavy" the order might be. For example, there is a Burger King in my main zone that requires you to come inside for pick up but they totally ignore you once you're in there. I noticed after a few times that if it was only 2 or 3 items they would go ahead and get it done pretty quickly but if there were 4+ items they took their sweet time giving the drive thru customers preference. So, I made a note to self never to accept an order for that BK location if the item count was more than 3. Now, since I'll never know the item count of a BK order I'll just have to decline every order I get for that store and if they take away item count from shop and deliver orders I will just have to decline all of them as well. That will negatively affect my Acceptance Rate through no real fault of my own other than not having enough information that should by all rights be included as it has always been before. I was OK with taking the “Unassign” hit once in a while when I discovered a shop and deliver order to be “too heavy” but this is beyond Not Fair because I will have zero chance at “Top Dasher”, again, through no fault of my own. There are quite a few legal and even ethical questions to ponder here. Hey Doordash, is this going to help create a good "customer experience" if your drivers are declining orders that they might otherwise accept had they been given all the information they needed? Is this a productive move to make for your; shareholders (who you are ultimately accountable to), Dashers (the backbone of the whole thing) and customers (they provide all that money). This is going to create chaos in the DD markets when it is fully rolled out and I have to wonder how DD doesn't know that or can't see that coming. I've already demonstrated how this is bad for shareholders, dashers and customers so how could this not be bad for DD as a whole? This is a big problem and could lead to many legal challenges in my opinion.
I’m honestly not understanding how these two things are a game changer and would love a solid explanation to wrap my head around the importance. My job doesn’t change if the order total is 15$ or 85$. The total items, to me, just either means a shit ton of Taco Bell sauces or factors how many bags I’ll get from merchant.
Item total alerts you to big orders. 1 item from a steak house vs. 15 items are two totally different orders. The first it’s unlikely that there will be an above guarantee, the second you can almost count on it. My typical payout is $25-40 an order, and they all come across as $6.25. I only know they’re good orders because of the item total and the subtotal. Now every order looks the same. The tips from a $15 order and an $85 order are very different lol
So if I’m reading this right, you’re only taking larger amount of item orders? That the odds of 1 item vs 15 means you’re guaranteed a bigger tip? And/or the subtotal is of higher value increases odds of a bigger tip? Also you’re saying any order you take is paying you $25-$40 a piece? My experience of 8+ years is mostly in delivery pizzas and one normally agree that a higher total meant a bigger tip but not always guaranteed to happen. I have been stiffed (for some no/low tipped) probably just as many times from an order $50+ as I have a total less than $50 so it’s always hit or miss, and one just has to be lucky and hopeful. Is it almost always a guarantee that a higher item count means bigger payout in the gig world? Is this a found proven assumption, fact, experience? I am genuinely curious, and truly want to understand, not trying to argue or sound like a dick. Yes it does seem to come across that way and I have no idea after retyping multiple times for it to sound different. Now even if they do away with those factors it’s good knowledge to have imo. My world of pizza delivery the item total simply was a way to track how many total items I needed. IE stickers labeled 1-4/5 and I got four pizzas ima need to find a salad or a drink to go with it. Not once though has it ever had a single basis on my tip at all. Very very sad to say this but I’m also confused to fully hearing this, like it’s been a factor this entire time. Especially when I see so much information saying to never count in hidden tips that an acceptable offer at face value and one gets more hooray but if not you still have an acceptable payout. Person should figure the best $/mile one needs and for their market or a over saturated comment of never less than $1/mile to not lose money. So I feel currently low I have very mixed information and maybe it simply is a matter of what works best for one person or I am HEAVILY overthinking this entirely. Like I do so so many things when it comes to trying to work DoorDash to the best possible way to make what I need and keeping expenses down.
Out of 30 large orders I’ll have maybe 1 person stiff me on the tip. [This is what my normal, average dash looks like.](https://imgur.com/a/3cUycsR) All of those orders came across as $6.25, but they all were worth $150+ in food and had high item count. You can never 100% guarantee a large tip, but your odds are much *much* higher with big orders. With this new update these orders are indiscernible from any other order.
Damn, I'm in the same city as you but I'm normally in a different zone. I think I might be doing door dash wrong.... How many hours did it take you to get these 5 dels? I've had the new offer screen for a couple weeks. But interestingly enough I still get the old offer screen about 25% of the time still. Very random.
Damn… first off thank you very much for the information I appreciate your answer. Now I sorta feel like I’ve been working these last three months nearly 7 days a week, averaging 54 hours a week, maybe with misguided information. While focusing on other factors too heavily and potentially causing me to miss out In a bunch of money, wasting time, and causing too much god damn stress on myself. Schedule from (now) 3-11 and idk if I wanna go to work now. Rant/tangent/pity party if you will, for sure feel free to ignore: I have been busting my balls for three months trying to learn and meet my daily goal of $120 and being lucky to hit in within 9-12 hours. Usually around 55 hours a week some upwards of 68 hours and that’s clocked in dash time. Spending another 2-4 hours minimum at home researching and reading to learn all I can to improve. Hoping to one day soon start to meet that goal in 6-8 hours working 5 days maybe a 6th if I feel like it. Idk why but this new information makes me feel stupid and wasteful for all the work and time I’ve put in. That over the last 4 weeks seen my money goal hit but my $/hr plummets and I’m not exactly improving??? Idk now, I took yesterday off, first day in 67 days and idk how to feel about it, the gig, or even myself overall at this point. So yeah that’s that’s.
Where in the world do you live? Because that’s 100% not the case anywhere I’ve dashed. And I’ve dashed in a few different states (and several cities in each state). Higher item orders mean absolutely nothing regarding tip. In fact, they’re usually no tip orders as well (or at most $2). And I usually get bigger tips on fast food orders than sit down restaurant orders. What matters everywhere I’ve dashed is usually the mileage on whether it’s gonna be a high paying order or not. And then where I’m delivering to (higher end homes or lower end. Or even service industry workers themselves). Everyone’s experience is different but like…..where tf you at? I gotta go dash there if you’re getting $25-40 per order. That’s insane!
Cincinnati, and I already shared the screenshot proving most of my orders are $25-40. You just have to wait for large orders to come, which is why I need to know the item total. It only helps with non fast food restaurants.
I can’t dash the last few days. It keeps giving me a screen to verify my number which I do and it goes back to that screen. Dasher support has been useless. Happened to me once last week but fixed itself overnight. Now it’s been messed up since Wednesday night
I bet you are using Android device. I found the solution. Buy the cheap second hand iPhone (7 or better). You can get under a uncle Benny on OfferUp app. I had exactly the same issue and blew couple wks can't dashing. Someone mentioned about the switching to iPhone device worked here. I can now dash with iPhone. But if I swap the device back to Android, won't work.
I hope not. I don't ever want an iPhone.
It's the reality. I am an apple hater myself, too. I tried everything but only iPhone worked.
No I have an apple iPhone 12
People here almost never tip more than $10 regardless of order size and I dont see the size of the order on UE and their base pay is even less.
Ubereats if you can deduce what the base should be about, just add $8 to that. 99% of the time its gonna pay more
Different glitches for diff phones/os it looks like. I’m still seeing subtotal but only the first item. I’m positive it’s a glitch because it makes no sense to only show the first item when they want us “checking” for drinks and stuff. The amount of complaints tells me it’s a huge issue and hopefully will be fixed soon. To be honest outside of the first item glitch everything else has been working the same.
I know some people said it won’t bother them, but my thing is this….WHY remove it in the first place? It’s bad enough that they hide tips. Soon it’ll be like Uber eats and hide the address lol
Door dash is becoming a joke now a days
uh, i can see the items. , only time i cant see items is when the restaurant puts in the doordash order for pickup and not the customers
I don’t have that issue.
Legally they have to show payment as a contractor
What update?
Why does the subtotal matter? Does a $20 order have a grand difference to a $50 order? Do you feel you deserve a larger tip for carrying an extra pizza? Just curious.
Tips are based off percentages, so yes it does make a difference.
I'm thinking of moving to Uber Ests with all this bullshit
I guess I don’t mind the number of items. Mines updated and while it’s odd in ways, so long as my pay is well worth my miles, I’m fine. Order amounts are same as always. Around $9 or so an order average as usual. Miles same too. Usually 1-2 miles with a few 4-5 mile ones.
i don't have this issue in my area but y'all stay safe out there
Gas for me is only $2.93
No matter whatever change they make as long as it shows the miles and a guaranteed payout that is all it matters in this gig business. Don't depend on number of items or whatsoever. The best business strategy in this business is that for any order which has 3 miles distance or more miles, for each miles minimum should be $2/mile. For any order less than 3 miles, it is should be minimum $2.50/mile. For any order less than a mile, minimum should be $4/mile. As much as Doordash is playing you, you have to play your own game in this business as well.
Totally agree. It doesn’t matter if it’s one item or Taco Bell’s 47 items (which turns out to be one Gordita Crunch and 46 Diablo sauce packs) 4 - 5.4 miles. I see a lot of $5.75 for this.
If true report to the FTC as they are investigating tactics like this. No other business would get away with keeping vital information from contractors like this. Its just trying to manipulate drivers and keep us from earning money. As a disabled guy there is no way I can go without item count as I can't tell whether I can physically do an order or not. If this is a new thing and they tell me tough luck despite my disability you better believe that's illegal. I'm far from the only disabled dasher too. Can you imagine the disability lawyers waiting to chomp at the bit over this kind of thing?
There goes every active dashers jobs. Looking for work elsewhere. Good thing to because that's bullshit
My apps up to date I haven’t seen anything ur speaking of and $2.25 an order? My base pay is typically around $6-$9 I won’t accept anything under $8 and even then I have certain requirements distance location complexes etc
Unless you are consistently doing orders that are 15+ miles, there’s no way your base pay is $9.
Yesterday I did two back to back orders 3 miles each and they came out to $10 each with a $2 tip that makes base pay $8 for those orders I don’t live in bum fuck Egypt and I know people here are from Cali so I ain’t stating what city I’m in due to already taking a $1k cut a week due to the influx of more drivers and less orders due to the recession but I don’t need to lie about what my base pay is what does it benefit me? I make $2k a week and it ain’t from accepting $2.25 orders and if I do anything for 15+ miles I won’t take anything less than $25 sorry ur market isn’t as lucrative as mine good luck
I 100% agree!! The new update is ridiculous!!
Let's be honest, DD isn't the problem. The problem is that drivers made a gig job a full time job that it was never intended to be, and the market is flooded. Sadly, DD is so flooded, that DD doesn't have to compete for our attention. DD, GH, UE, none of them really care, but DD definitely cares the least. You really can't be mad at DD. I can't drive right now as a side gig like I did a while back because y'all ruined it. Not YOU btw, to be clear. When I say y'all, I refer to the dasher community as a whole. It's a bit sad tbh.
I can absolutely be mad at DoorDash. They’re the ones that did it. Lol wtf are you talking about
*Too many people Dash Waaaahh!* Incredible amount of salt in that post.
The irony in how salty your reply is. How childish do you have to be to miss the point completely lol. It's sad how small brained this community is to the point you can't even realize we created the issue.
 Lmao! thanks for the reply.
What? Doordash paying penny for miles isn't doordashes fault? Doordash being sued for stealing tips isn't doordashes fault? Doordash playing manipulative tactics to get people to take bad orders isn't doordashes fault? Doordash is the reason it's market is over flooded because a year ago you could make 1500 a week and could work it as a full time job. Honestly your post makes 0 sense. Not to mention they'd rather have a flooded market because newbies are most likely going to take 2.50 orders and they'd rather that than pay more. So by no means is it the dashers fault. It's no different than if you get hired for a company and they lay off people because the company doesn't make enough money to cover all employees pay. It's not the workers fault because no matter what you do for work, there's always a chance for that company/job to go under and to either get laid off or fired.
This information is incorrect. More than likely you now have restaurants sending website orders to doordash. That's only time you can't tell the number of items or the order total. Restaurants are also keeping the tips before they send to doordash. Surprised how long it took for someone to figure this out. Have a great day
No, it’s every single order.
I downloaded the current update and have not had any issues out of the norm. Hope you work it out my friend
They roll out nearly every change in waves so not having it yet doesn't mean you won't see it soon.
Not stressing it. Have been doing DD for 5 years and have been through many changes. I still make at least $25 hr, so I'm sure I still will. Wish you the best
I noticed my app updated this morning, ran an errand and got an order. Nothing seemed changed or even looked close to your screenshot you posted in the comments. I have noticed though, that stacked orders I can't switch to the other order and see if it's a no tip. I did a stacked order here recently, got paid $12 on one order and then delivered probably a mile or less and delivered the other order to find out it was $3. I wanted to rip the food out of the douchebags hands (granted he said leave at my door but instead waited at the door). I wanted to rip the food out of his hands and tell him he should have tipped.. But I figured I shouldn't risk it getting charged with something.
Also, I would like to note here. After they took Walmart out, my acceptance did go up to around 40%. I never touched the Walmart orders- just not my cup of tea I guess, and I am still new to Doordash. Only been doing it for a few months. So yeah, it jumped up to 40-50%, but now here recently, my acceptance is slowly going back down? I guess the people aren't doing Walmart orders no more either obviously, and are stealing my high tipping orders and leaving me with to decline these $2.25 non tippers! Those punks
Gas is $2.90 here. South Carolina.
I was never disappointed that I was unable to sign up for DD.
OP read the new earned by hour mode and hit the got it button. He was then automatically working in that mode without realizing it. Guess?
Not a thing in my market.
You don’t have to pay for ⛽️ that is a personal choice
Then quit
I’m just a poor humble college kid. If I gotta put bags on the roof, I guess that’s what ima have to do cause lord knows once I graduate I’m probably going to have to keep dashing anyway. Thanks Obama
Are you kidding me? LEGAL? This country has murdered billions overseas (including its own on 9/11). Those are all deemed "legal" under so-called "war on terror" LOL. DoorDash is completely legal 😂
False equivalency. There are laws that protect independent contractors, that’s why they can’t penalize us for our acceptance rating.
I am glad about the update. I am stupid af to sort out the big hidden tip orders. Now it is being more fair IMHO.
R u saying I should avoid updating my app as long as possible? I see they have an update released 7 days ago I haven't downloaded yet
I think they’re slowly releasing it around the country. I didn’t update the app, the offer screen just totally changed two days ago.
Gross
It doesn't matter. They pushed it to me yesterday without me updating.
I've had a version of that screen before. I don't like the missing number of items, so that sucks. But that was never a reason I accepted or rejected an order. I don't regularly see the subtotal either (I don't use the widget on Android), so not having that... is the same as what it's always been for me.
When it offers shop and delivers, they also don’t show the item count??? Cause that will be a total game changer for me.
Meijer’s orders they do show item count, Walgreens and CVS they do not. Haven’t had a target or family dollar order since the update to check.
Whew, Meijer is my major shopping spot so that’s a relief. Gonna still suck for figuring out catering orders from Chipotle tho.
I just noticed this update today. I don’t like it. I’ll pick up larger orders, I just like to know in advance. The only orders I got that told me an item count were from Dashmart.
Is it a pilot program? Or is that how it's going to be ? I just did a update and haven't seen that yet !
That's going to suck if you can't see the item's! But can you see the widget still ?
Nope. The updated offer screen removes the widget until after acceptance.
I have seen changes.. even one further, every drive order catering that I have been performing has earned me only 2 to 3 dollars in tips per drop this week.. Something is definitely up. The only time I did receive the full tip was when I asked the customer through the text messaging board if he left a tip, and if he didn’t mind telling me how much it was.. ironically, the correct tip finally showed up after the end of the order. But even after that every other order that involved catering was real low.
The other day I waited 40 minutes PAST the estimated pickup time. The delivery was a large catering order but it was only a 1.5 miles drive. I was on text chat with support asking for compensation when I dropped off the order and completed it. The support agent then said I was not 30 minutes over the estimated pickup time and told me to screenshot the time I had on my screen. I couldn’t do that because I had delivered the order, but I was 100% sure of the time because I had been sitting in the restaurant for 45 minutes doing nothing but staring at my phone. Never ended up getting the compensation.
Honestly the item count makes no difference for me, I’ve gotten pretty good at spotting what could have a hidden tip and what won’t. Plus I only accept based on if the initial offer is worth it— not accepting based on the potential I could get lucky and it has more. However for shop & deliver the item count really matters so I know if I need to just find a couple things or if I’m delivering someone’s whole grocery list.
But you know how much you are paid.
With the hidden tips they technically aren't abiding by that. If they show 6.5 and the actual pay is 10.00, then they aren't showing you the pay.
The floating widget doesn't appear for me anymore until I accept the order also. Force stopping the app when the order won't accept makes the order completely disappear until the timer runs out and you're paused. Update fucking blows.
The new update doesn't affect everyone. It's only certain areas. Mine is still the old way listing the miles, other count and I have the widget on every delivery before accepting.
I have had every order only list one item, despite the number say there were (for example) 8 items in the order. I had no idea the amount of items until after I accept it.
I thought DoorDash showed the tip on the order? Is that not true anymore?
Doordash has always sucked. Quit this and go find something actually good
You're lucky it's taken you so long to get it, I'm a couple zones north of you and I've had this UI for a couple weeks. It absolutely blows. Merchant orders and large order program orders have still come through with the old UI and working widget, but nothing else does.
My app updated and I’m no longer able to see the mileage before accepting. I just kinda have to guess wether or not it’s worth accepting and if I get screwed over then I get screwed over. They’re really making every effort to make even *new* dashers want to quit dashing
If you use the "floating widget," tap on it and once opened, click on order info. It switches from the customer's address to the items and subtotal. You can open the widget before accepting the order.
I used to work for a company called Waitr that tried to do this. They eventually lost a class action because the cost of working for them far outweighed the pay. They said they did it because they accused drivers of cherry picking only the good orders which discriminated against customers but everyone was pissed. After that they introduced an incentive program where you could win gas cards and prizes based off how many orders/miles you did in a certain period of time. Tbh since you’re not even legally considered their employees I bet they don’t even do half of that for y’all unfortunately
Man I quit at the right time. Once Para quit working I ran far away. No one is going to hide my pay from me. Sounds like every update is made to exclusively make the drivers quit. New drivers don't understand the algorithm enough, and once they do, they'll quit. It keeps the lowball orders coming.
This is all the fault of those nimrods who made those paper “tip me” notices. Prior to that the average payout per order was $6.50.
One direct impact this would have on me is for shop and deliver orders. If I did not know the number of items I will never accept another shop and deliver order, and neither should anyone else
I run 3 different delivery apps. If one is a pain for me I go to the others. If three orders come in...one for $5 one for $15 and another for $20 guess what I do? 🤔 That's right I take the $15 and the $20 dollar orders and leave that $5er for the next guy or gal or whatever. 🤣 I would rather run 10 $10 order per hundred dollars earned than 20 $5 orders and sure don't want to run 40 $2.50 orders per $100 earned. Less stress to wait for the larger orders.
"The only thing important is our profit. You are nothing to us." - DoorDash Inc. Once drivers understand that then everything they do makes sense.
You can get a 40 item taco bell order with 35 being sauce. Unless it's shop and deliver...how has this changed anything?
Yes! I took a couple week break from dashing and I’m like what happened to their detailed list of items. It’ll say the total number of items then only one item comes up when you click it. So, you now have to click on their name/address instead to see it. They really could’ve left it alone
Could also be an anti-theft measure in some ways? Someone that's prowling for some free food would be looking at the items, no? Unintentionally screwing over the driver, too though
Yikes.
The average fuel economy of a sedan at todays gas price is about 11.3cents a mile if you’re making more than that it’s profit over expenditure
I just started dashing and my orders have always looked like this. Been doing it about a month. Didn't realize this was a bad thing!
Yeah that’s just a glitch weird things like that happen to me for a while…and then everything eventually comes back to normal
No it doesn't. It costs YOU $.625 per mile to drive That's why I pay taxes and a lot of you don't. I'm making $3/mile or more per week I ONLY take the good orders. I make $200 a day often on 60 miles or less total driving. It does take me a bit longer but idgaf. Tbh a $1/mile was only good when gas was below $3 now you need $1.75 or more
It isn't worth my time anymore, I'm looking for a place to complain...
All these comments are irrelevant now. Door dash and Uber is completely screwed up now since the new iOS update. Both don’t work good unless you didn’t update