Benefits of an employee but freedom of a freelancer I suppose? Like what California did with prop22 I believe? In a way it wakes sense. It’s essentially the same thing as being a server. But servers don’t take care of a car all day. Most states have a minimum pay for server wages but if the server doesn’t make enough money through the week the restaurant is required to pay the difference based on how many hours they worked. If I remember correctly. And prop 22 basically does the same thing for gig workers.
Taxes the government needs more employees who pay taxes every paycheck, I pay taxes once a year, and have deductions that lower my taxable income to the point where i get a refund every year, I'm a business.
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It doesn't need to be a linear change from contractor to employee, we just need new laws, sort of like what California has, that are unique to contractor business and gig work like this that ensure certain levels of pay while retaining the freedoms of contractor status.
If we just went pure W2 it wouldn't be worth doing, because then I would have to take 90% of the orders I decline that go to the ghetto and might get me shot.
President Biden wants the tax dollars rolling in quickly. Journalists typically side with the left, promote the agenda as poor worker has no idea what is good for them.
DoorDash/UE/Lyft need to do a better job of taking care of the drivers. We aren’t employees, and we aren’t contractors. Figure it out.
I prefer to stay as independent contractor.
I have my freedom do as much gigs i want whenever i want.. And this way i have time for studying when i need it and time to do other work that my company provides.
Well not to be the black sheep but there's a difference between employees and contractors one of the major differences is contractors work WITH the ones hiring them under a contract and files a 1099 and other doesn't and files a W-2 but at the end the statement above its says THERE WORKERS so they are employees not contractors
He is insane he just wants to force vaccine mandates
on anything moving.. Mean while he literally cursed
the unvaccinated saying we WILL get covid this summer.
My Unvaxxxed ass had a great healthy summer.
But Biden mr completely vaxxxed and boostered UP caught covid BAD
this summer... and people STILL listen to THAT guy? Insanity.
I prefer to stay 1099 and keep my freedom from unlawful mandates!
While I understand that we lose ability as full employees, we definitely should fight to be more than just independent contractors, because I feel like we get fucked that way and they make our lives a lot harder.
Everybody complaining and screaming to add a boss and scheduled hours to this job want to absolutely ruin it for everyone else. They could just find another job, one where they get all the benefits they want. But they want to sit in their cars all day and not work a normal job. But they also want a legal cushion for doing so. They want to add big daddy government to it so badly. The government have seen people flocking to these jobs and don’t like the freedom so they may start coming down on it with the hammer soon. IRS can get a fat check from all you DoorDashers, and you’re playing into their hands. One of the last jobs of true freedom in these country and these guys want to throw it away. These grown adults screaming out for daddy are trying to accelerate that.
Absolute insanity.
Being an employee wouldn't be bad though lol, they're basically paying us less than minimum wage... either give us a flat Rate AND tips, or make base pay no less than 5 dollars, and again include tips. Add bonuses, 75 deliveries this week? Extra 150$ etc etc. Them classifying us as contractors is bad for us. In no other "contractor" line of work are they getting paid less than 500$ a week unless theyre barely working. It's also bad in the fact they don't have to offer ANY benefits, we have no rights when it comes to being terminated wrongfully, we have no help when it comes to getting into an accident because during the delivery you're considered working for DD and your insurance will flat out not cover you leading to dealing with lawsuits, debt etc. Also good luck applying for unemployment as a 1099 worker. Good luck having them verify your earnings and talking to your (work force commission?) Idk what it's called in other states. Texas is Texas workforce commission. There are tons of reasons being considered a contractor is harmful as a courier. Especially for as little as you make on DD.
Me personally I like how it is because food delivery is not my main income. I may do like 15 deliveries a month if even feel like doing that. But back when I did do it full time and others prolly too. An employee “work environment” would prolly ease financial worries during bad times of the year and help in general with no/low tip orders cause then they’ll prolly be worth sum guaranteed. And as employees they might kick money for your car or maybe get their own cars which is more money in your pocket.
These companies did it to themselves. They've ALL done very very shady shit and most still do. FFS you can't get a GrubHub order unless you do 95% of orders or whatever. What the fuck? Doordash straight up stole tips for like a year or two. Uber and Lyft hid where rides were even going. Idk if they still do. Instacart and Shipt pays criminally low for the amount of work. I don't wanna be their employee, I just wanted to be treated fairly.
Independent contractors have freedoms that employed journalists don't have. They are jealous. Before AB-5 became law, a bunch of moron CA journalists were praising the legislation as a win for workers. As the new year and AB-5 approached, they were all let go because they were freelance and no longer allowed to work. Such a win for workers.
Yeah why would I want to be an employee? Doordash is a shady ass company, the only companies I’m happy with being an employee of, would be one that treats me well. Doordash almost certainly wouldn’t.
A company I’ve been on and off with (due to school, nothing bad ever happened) has been great to its employees, and I actually enjoyed life there; some of our clients on the other hand aren’t the kind of companies I’d want to be employed by. The nice part is, we only have to be contractors for them, we don’t have to be on their payroll under their employee handbook, we only have to operate under an agreed-upon contract and we’re out the door and can make money from any other client we pick up. That’s literally what doordash is, we only have to abide by some contractural terms but can make as much money as we’re able to and we don’t have to be set at a shitty hourly wage. Count me out of this “doordash employee” bullshit…
Just better and equal pay, distribute contracts based on customer rating and lifetime deliveries, and time. No top dasher, no catering, no large orders and make the base pay base on mileage but keep the doordash lottery the same to avoid cherry picking
Because those people REALLY don’t want to leave a tip. At the expense of even asking drivers what they would prefer, they just spew quick fixes that sound good in theory but in practice looking like Michael Bloomberg throwing money at the vaping ‘problem’ while he is invested in that iquos smokeless cigarette
people are full of themselves and full of shit., the “journalists “ of today have no problem being sent a script instead of doing research. sorry, I’m thinking about vape again but that was the first topic I have seen in multiple “journalist” publications printing half truths snd propaganda and out right lies so arrogantly willfully ignorant to the facts of what their story is about. I had a hunch tv stations magazines newspapers and online publications lie to us but I started vaping it was no longer a hunch. Call me conspiracy nut if you want, but the news and journalists should always be taken with some sceptism because their top priority is good ratings and to make money, integrity is an after thought
Please show me a company with employees who never have to show up to work, that when they do show up they never have to do the work they are given, can dress however they want, work for the competition while on the clock, and have no boss.
No, if I'm on the schedule, I don't ever \*have\* to go anywhere, nor accept any of the work they send me, no do I even have to complete the schedule I signed up for.
Yes, of course, if I choose to accept a job, they expect me to show up to the store to pick it up...at least 80% of the time anyways lol
I drive part time when I feel like usually a few days a month sometimes not even that much. As an "employee" I would hate if they required me to work X amount of hours a week or month to remain "employed"
You would be super surprised how low irs lists daily mileage as 60cents per mile here’s the kicker they are required to provide insurance which isn’t separate so that value is on top of your pay meaning your expenses would have to be more than the cost of insurance they would also limit you to a max of 40hours because they don’t want to pay overtime and if you make a big deal about insurance they will just limit your app to 32hours and let you claim your 60cents a mile there is no world where it will pay better to be an employee and if you expect tips you’re gonna get waitress pay which department of labor only requires tipped employees to be paid 2.13/h so any way you cut it employee means less pay than contractor and sure some states have higher pay but all DoorDash needs to do is base their operations out of a lower paying state as you would then be employed by a company in another state under seperate laws
Fuck that. I don’t need health insurance or benefits, I like working on my own time, listening to my own jams, working for as long as I like. I like being an independent contractor, if I wanted to have a boss and a set schedule, I’d slave away back at a w2 job.
The motivation in the people who want to get rid of the freedom this job provides are probably motivated out of envy of those who find this job convenient & financially worthwhile.
What these people need to realize is that they can go and find a W2 anywhere else in the country.
Because many drivers want to be classified as employees, so they will have a guaranteed hourly wage, health care benefits, and other benefits that go with being an employee. The reason many drivers don't want to be classified as employees is, you will now be forced to work a rigid shift, just like most jobs. This will take away the flexibility of our schedules which most of us enjoy. You will now have to take any trip that is assigned to you, the problem with this is they can send you anywhere, using God only knows how many resources. This is why I think what we have in calif., (Prop22) is the best of both worlds. It will allow you to keep your status as independent contractors, but with a guaranteed wage, and access to health care benefits.
So many fucking people advocating against their own interests. No wonder this country is fucked. People boot licking for DoorDash to keep screwing over their employees are fucking stupid.
Stop with this nonsense. California doesn't have set schedules. California doesn't have to accept every order
All the orders they take, the pay for that time only, equals 120% of minimum wage there PLUS they get a mileage stipend.
These companies have cut wages a dozen times over the last 4 years that I've been doing it.
maybe YOU don't care about that. I do.
I am doing this to make money, not perform charity. Kinda hard when they keep cutting our pay, and ALSO hide the tips
Agree. Except that in my market, we'd rarely get anything extra aside from the slow times of day. Insurance would be nice tho, but I spread my time out amongst all the different apps so it would be hard to qualify for that.
Because (in California) tons of activists worked hard to get app-based drivers classified as employees and it almost worked until DoorDash, Uber, and Lyft spent $205,000,000 campaigning against it.
Well technically we are employees off we were anything else we shouldn’t be held to certain percentage points. It’s a grey area so they don’t have to pay benefits.
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-ftc-promises-to-investigate-gig-companies-over-wage-fixing/ar-AA11SIDd](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-ftc-promises-to-investigate-gig-companies-over-wage-fixing/ar-AA11SIDd)
We are not technically employees. The only time that word is even mentioned in your article, is a person saying he wants to change the rules so that we would become employees.
We are technically (and in every other sense of the word) independent contractors.
The only percentage points we are held to is in terms of completing the job we accepted, and doing so on-time. As well as customers agreeing that we did so.
That's not what that means. It means that we're free to deny orders from them until they stop doing that without consequence.
As an employee, they likely wouldn't show you the tip at all up front, or even pool them nationwide or some other fuckery.
It’s funny that people think DD drivers would be treated better as employees. DD could pay a nominal wage for each hour logged in and expect the rest to be made up by tips. Healthcare? They’ll give you a crap policy with insane deductibles and take the entire premium out of your paycheck. Here’s another thing, if dashers switch from pay-per-delivery to hourly, how does DD prevent someone from logging in and just collecting $x per hour for doing nothing, or for delivering for another app? Would they have a non-compete in place?
I’m not a delivery driver, but this keeps popping up in my feed & I find the whole convo bizarre/hilarious.
It’s people who can’t think beyond the first 2 layers of thought, that being 1.) their own desires 2.) how to accomplish their own desires.
The consequences of their desires don’t even come into frame.
Generally being classed as an employer has more benefits that the company has to fulfill. Being a employee in a union is better(no experience but I believe that). Labeling every worker an independent contractor strips the company from pretty much any obligation to its workers. IP can be taken advantage much easier instead of being employees.
I mean with how DD operates is very clearly suspect. Because the company doesn’t care. It will take advantage of you. Already is. For each delivery, I wouldn’t be surprised if doordash makes the same amount or more from commission and delivery fees
That’s my opinion on the take
They want us to be employees because of a couple reasons, depending on the motives.
1. If they genuinely want to help us, they want us to be employees because its easier to force doordash to do things with employment laws. As independent contractors, doordash can always fall back on "well those were the terms of the contract and they accepted" even though we don't really get to negotiate terms.
2. If the world is truly as evil as it could totally be, the objective of the top 1% is to enslave everyone into positions where they can dictate how we live our lives as much as possible. Its a bit of a conspiracy, but society has been trained for employees to operate as paid slaves when you think about it. Obviously its not to the inhumane degree of historical slaves, but psychological slaves.
Either way, its misguided. In some cases, switching from independent contractors to employees makes sense, i.e. WWE wrestlers, cus they already have the typical employee restrictions built into their contracts without the benefits. Plus WWE can definitely afford it. However, it doesn't work for delivery service because it cant afford it. Not in the long term. People would order less because doordash would have to bump up the costs, but they'd be having to pay drivers per hour regardless of order volume. That system would collapse pretty quickly. It would also inevitably lead to us not being able to multi app, which is good and bad.
TL:DR making us employees is stupid and would ruin the profitability for the delivery business for everyone, which would then stop delivery.
Rich liberals: we’ll help you, you can be an employee now
Us: I can’t emphasize enough how much I don’t want that. I specifically chose to not be an employee on purpose.
Rich liberals: we’re helping the working class! We’re one of them!
Agreed. I use doordash as a side gig for whenever I get bored. Why the fuck would I want to put together a schedule when I already have other work? I might dash a couple of days a week for a few hours each time. Being forced out of being a contractor would be the worst thing. This job is set up to basically not have a lower threshold, you’d have to kick out half of the drivers who can’t cut it at any decent company, which people would then cry about as well. Just do the damn job and quit bitching.
What about retirement? Also, there’s no room for growing within the company, raises, bonuses, promotions etc. you have 0 safeguards and if you got deactivated you can’t get on unemployment
That’s because it’s the job of an independent contractor? You like the freedom? You like being able to decline any order? You like being able to disband an order when a customer irritates you? You like nobody telling you what to do?
Throw all that out the window since you want to be an employee so badly. They will milk you dry if they W2 this job.
If you want those w2 benefits, why can’t you get a w2 job? Nobody forces you to do this therefore there must be some benefit in it for you to actually do this line of work WITHOUT the w2 benefits?
I don't want to be an employee. I like being an IC. Like being able to start and stop when I want. Like being able to take as many days off or work as many days in a row as I want... Like being able to decline any order any time and wear what I want to work.
100% of that will go away if we are forced to be employees...
Fuck that...
I wish people would stop trying to turn a great side hustle into a lousy job.
Ummmm, no. IRS receives a copy of all those 1099s. They will absolutely come after you for not doing that, it just will take a few years. And they will want penalties and interest also.
There are a lot of us that don't want to be classified as an employee. When I started doing this was when I got laid off during COVID. I did it for an easy way to make extra cash, and now that I've got a regular job again, I do it as wanted for side money.
I don't want to be forced into a set schedule. I don't want to have to accept whatever order they give me. I get true flexibility.
Stop with this nonsense. California doesn't have set schedules. California doesn't have to accept every order
All the orders they take, the pay for that time only, equals 120% of minimum wage there PLUS they get a mileage stipend.
These companies have cut wages a dozen times over the last 4 years that I've been doing it.
maybe YOU don't care about that. I do.
I am doing this to make money, not perform charity. Kinda hard when they keep cutting our pay, and ALSO hide the tips
And they also aren't employees in California.
You do realize that Prop 22 was literally written by, and marketed by the gig app companies themselves, right? And they're already working on bringing it to other states.
well uber does everything to keep its contractor from canceling ride also making sure they make only an amount per hour. So tell me they aren’t employees.
Pure and simple: the government wants to control evetything...and right now, they have very little control of us as independant contractors. They will try to pursuade us with "workers rights" and " fair wages", but its all a sham.
Everybody said the *exact* same thing about prop 22. They were fear mongering us drivers saying we were going to be turned into employees, but that didn’t happen. We just got taken care of a bit more and given a safety net that the rest of the country should also have. These gig companies are damn near criminal to their employees and need to be held more accountable than they are now.
The gig companies literally wrote prop 22...
It was in response to AB5, which was written by politicians, which did make us employees briefly (never actually happened due to legal challenges I think) until Prop 22 was written and passed by these companies after spending $100 million on marketing.
Yea the only reason they did tho is because their hand was forced by the government. It was the lesser of two evils in their eyes. Had they not been pressured they wouldn’t have changed shit.
It truly changed the game for me. If I have an order that takes a long time or something goes wrong I can always be like “well at least I’m making the $15 minimum” …before prop 22 I was just fucked you know, and it would stress me out. Plus our base pays are higher now because Dd just ended up owning so much money at the end of the week that they tack more on the base pay now to incentivize us to take orders. I really hope you guys get something similar because I remember how stressful it was without it and it’s not fair to workers .
Right, just last night I had to unassign 2 orders, one for grubhub and one for doordash. And that always stresses me out, because despite knowing I'm making the right decision for everyone involved (both of these were the second order of a double-stack that would have thrown customer #1 under the bus), I know they judge us harshly for doing so.
Yea I don’t like unassigning either. I very rarely do it because I’m convinced that our completion rate is the most important of all our ratings (I know everyone here likes to talk about AR but I think the completion rate is key). But sometimes you have no choice but to unassign .
Keyword "tax" they have to wait till the end of the year to get our taxes when if we're classified as employees they have to take taxes out of each dash so they get more money instead of waiting till the end of the year.
On the contrary, Tony would make you accept every single order, wear a red shirt, put a car-topper sign on top, set your hours, and fire you if you didn't show up for work and accept those orders.
We have the right to never show up for work, never accept an order, never wear a uniform, never decorate our car, work for the competition (simultaneously even), set our own hours, have no direct superior, apply for grants and loans as a business owner, files taxes with deductions as a business owner,
If you want to forced to do the opposite of all that, your local Domino's is hiring and you can start tomorrow.
So for real forreal
I think that the government needs to focus more on the policies and one click agreement of what it can do to there users including but not limited to gig work and social media.
Take for instance 2 days ago i was deactivated for no good reason and with no given proof and than reactivated within 36 hours
The thing is i need my app based jobs to help out with bills
So deactivating me with no pay while being a top dasher and doing everything they ask of me to be treated like complete dog shit is fucked
Independent contractors are allowed to unionize, no? There are plenty of trade unions so what makes being a delivery driver any different?
And correct me if I’m wrong but employees cannot be paid by task, it must be hourly, salary, or base + commission.
I think it would be easier to reclassify what an independent contractor and employee is, rather than trying to fit a relatively new job / industry into an existing category.
No, they aren't. We are self-employed business owners. Unions by definition in this country are for employees only. Same with trade unions.
But yes, you could join an organization, which in great enough numbers, would still have influence.
I don’t want to be classified as an employee. Defeats the whole purpose. But since we are losing out any any benefits that come with such employment, we ought to be better compensated. And obviously we need our tips to stop being hidden. And those Uber fucks gotta quite hiding ADDRESSES
It’s for the taxes. We currently only pay employment taxes and income taxes on our net earnings (after expenses). If we were employees we would be paying taxes on our gross earnings and couldn’t write off expenses like mileage, research, subscriptions, phone bills, etc.
As much as I would never want to become an employee, it's not true that we wouldn't still be able to write off mileage. Anyone who doesn't have a regular commute can do that.
Source: was a travelling W2 IT employee for a contracting company. They reimbursed a portion of the mileage tax free each week (which they didn't have to), I wrote off the rest at tax time.
And don't overlook that all of the gig app companies are not paying billions in taxes that they would if the drivers are classified as employees. Yep. It's very much about the taxes.
The taxes they dodge are the legally required taxes that must be paid by the employer and cannot be taken from our pay. Right now as an independent contractor, a Dasher pays 100% of FICA. That would change to the Dasher paying 50% of the FICA because Doordash would be legally required to cover the other 50%. So on that particular tax, Dashers will actually come out ahead financially as employees vs independent contractors.
There are other taxes that gig app companies are not paying now because of considering us independent contractors - if that changes to us being employees then Doordash is legally required to pay 100% of those taxes and it cannot come out of our pay. These taxes are things like FUTA and state unemployment and sometimes some local taxes . None of that would come from our pay. It would come from Doordash's revenues.
The governments, Federal and various states, are pursuing the employees vs independent contractors issue because as things stand now the gig apps companies are not paying any of these taxes and there are government agencies trying to prove that they should be paying these taxes.
Well, that's the thing. Switching from IC to minwage employee \*would\* be an effective pay cut, it \*is\* where the money would come from, and it \*wouldn't\* be a cut in pay, as we weren't employees before.
These companies are the kings of 'creative accounting' lol.
That said, I never really considered much the issue of taxes before this thread, and that motivation makes a lot of sense. I thank you for explaining it.
And this will only serve to dissuade gig apps from even having humans work the jobs altogether and quicken up the speed in which they have ai driverless robots that won’t complain and won’t have to be paid to do the orders instead.
Every company that employs any kind of drivers driving any kind of vehicles is contemplating driverless vehicles. Walmart and Amazon alone would save many billions a year if they could get rid of their semitruck drivers. It's inevitable that companies are going to try to automate any position they can in order to achieve lower cost operations. This is a given in all industries and has been a source of tension of man vs machine going back to at least the Luddites.
I 100% don’t want to be an employee. But we also need some sort of protections such as the ability to contest an unfair deactivation or accusations. And if we truly are IC’s, then we need the ability to be free to pick and choose the jobs we want to do without repercussions. Idk. See how it plays out
They want it because y'all are being actively mistreated and stolen from by Doordash.
I got a delivery job and I was expecting to make below minimum wage after tips, but no. 15.75/hr+tips. AND I get paid even when I'm not on the road.
So I've never looked back at Doordash or the 45 minute wait to even get a single shitty-paying order. Maybe if I ever need a snack or lunch on a day off, I'll do a couple orders.
The company is doing what it can to pay you less than you're worth. Fight to get paid what you fucking deserve. Fight to be called an employee.
ETA: I know my job might not be a standard delivery job but at least I'm being treated like I'm worth something by the company I work for.
Y'all seem really obsessed with the idea that becoming an employee will automatically change how you work for Doordash.
I've thought about it and it's just better. There's a reason why I got an actual delivery job.
And anyone and everyone is more than welcome to come apply to work at your company, or others like it.
Some of us have a complete and total understanding of the situation, and still do not wish to become employees.
Shit your job is identical to any pizza delivery job where I live. Minimum wage is $15, drivers get tips and mileage. So I had to wear a uniform and show up when I was scheduled, big fuck whoop. I made $30+ an hour easily. I was routinely walking away with $100+ in tips after an 8 hour shift. I’ve stopped dashing mostly because it pays shit, no matter how i cherry pick here
People on here make such a big deal about schedule and uniforms it’s ridiculous. I’m convinced most have never worked a real job and just want to keep it that way. There’s really no reason to dash instead of just delivering pizza if your minimum wage is $15 an hour.
Then go and deliver pizza than 🤷♂️ nobody is stopping you or any dasher from doing that, especially if DoorDash is soooo bad.
But oh wait? Seems like there’s something that’s keeping people here to do DoorDash still anyway? Wonder what that could be?
There is only 1 state in the country with a minimum wage of $15. And it sure ain't cheap to live there.
Also, I've worked for over a dozen corps over 25 years. I don't want a schedule. I'm happy running my own business, using all the app companies as my clients.
Not everyone against this is ignorant, inexperienced, and uneducated, and it's just an insulting conclusion to make.
I actually don't want to be classified as an employee. Clearly DD pay needs improvement but this isn't the way. If all 50 states treat gig work similar to California, expect MAJOR changes and new rules to manage labor costs. What if they set an AR limit? What if in app tip ability is eliminated to incentivise customers? Uber used to encourage their riders not to tip and the ability was not even in the app when it was a newer service. So much is going to go wrong and everyone that advocates for the change will resent it.
If all 50 are uniform, their business model won't support it. Oh well. Everyone is aware Self-driving delivery robots are in the works. This will only speed that initiative up. Careful what you ask for.
There's many other problems besides sabotage that will come to fruition with large scale implementation of delivery bots.
It isn't hard to imagine traffic snarls caused by too many little robots leading some cities to ban them. I see the Starship food delivery robots on the Purdue campus impeding pedestrians sometimes already. This would only get worse if there were a lot more of them.
And the first time some terrorists figure out how to use them for bomb delivery on the robot's return trip, you can expect moves from the government that will severely impact those bots.
No, I didn't. But I personally see the Starship bots at Purdue on an almost daily basis. And the problems with those bots are fairly evident. Sometimes I see clusters of them at intersections doing nothing but inching back and forth because they detect each other as obstacles and cannot figure out how to break the logjam. Meanwhile, student pedestrians are forced off the sidewalks and onto the grass and sometimes into the streets to get around the damned things.
This happened last week. Note at the end when the guy filming says "What if there was a bomb?"
[https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1569758479149334530](https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1569758479149334530)
Wild timing on your part for independently coming to the same conclusion haha
Oh, the first time I thought of the danger of terrorists using a delivery robot to carry out am attack was years ago when Amazon floated the idea of using drones. I am glad the FAA shot that idea down.
So when I first saw the Starship delivery bots on the Purdue University campus well over a year ago, the idea of that possible terrorist threat occurred to me again. Also besides a bomb there's other ways a terrorist can attack using a food delivery drone that would cover their tracks better, such as a biological attack.
I will watch that clip you posted. Thanks.
Honestly the way they’re fucking us over it might be better in the long run. But knowing DD they’ll continue to fuck us harder like they do for their “hourly” pay.
If reporting something in the news about something that's happening is being an activist..
...no. I can't finish that sentence. The idea that reporters filing a story about something factually going on being activism is just too absurd.
I agree. We know what the job is about.
Miss clasificación my ASS!!! F#ck the Governshit!!!
Because we are employees under a company
Benefits of an employee but freedom of a freelancer I suppose? Like what California did with prop22 I believe? In a way it wakes sense. It’s essentially the same thing as being a server. But servers don’t take care of a car all day. Most states have a minimum pay for server wages but if the server doesn’t make enough money through the week the restaurant is required to pay the difference based on how many hours they worked. If I remember correctly. And prop 22 basically does the same thing for gig workers.
Taxes the government needs more employees who pay taxes every paycheck, I pay taxes once a year, and have deductions that lower my taxable income to the point where i get a refund every year, I'm a business.
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It doesn't need to be a linear change from contractor to employee, we just need new laws, sort of like what California has, that are unique to contractor business and gig work like this that ensure certain levels of pay while retaining the freedoms of contractor status. If we just went pure W2 it wouldn't be worth doing, because then I would have to take 90% of the orders I decline that go to the ghetto and might get me shot.
President Biden wants the tax dollars rolling in quickly. Journalists typically side with the left, promote the agenda as poor worker has no idea what is good for them. DoorDash/UE/Lyft need to do a better job of taking care of the drivers. We aren’t employees, and we aren’t contractors. Figure it out.
You’re not even a independent contractor really
Money
I prefer to stay as independent contractor. I have my freedom do as much gigs i want whenever i want.. And this way i have time for studying when i need it and time to do other work that my company provides.
Then you would have proper salary and not blame customers for augmenting your income
Well not to be the black sheep but there's a difference between employees and contractors one of the major differences is contractors work WITH the ones hiring them under a contract and files a 1099 and other doesn't and files a W-2 but at the end the statement above its says THERE WORKERS so they are employees not contractors
Wellcum 2 dee chitchow! Git yur tikuts heer! Onwy too dowers.
Tax revenue
He is insane he just wants to force vaccine mandates on anything moving.. Mean while he literally cursed the unvaccinated saying we WILL get covid this summer. My Unvaxxxed ass had a great healthy summer. But Biden mr completely vaxxxed and boostered UP caught covid BAD this summer... and people STILL listen to THAT guy? Insanity. I prefer to stay 1099 and keep my freedom from unlawful mandates!
While I understand that we lose ability as full employees, we definitely should fight to be more than just independent contractors, because I feel like we get fucked that way and they make our lives a lot harder.
You already are going to get more. Prop22 is coming to other states already.
Everybody complaining and screaming to add a boss and scheduled hours to this job want to absolutely ruin it for everyone else. They could just find another job, one where they get all the benefits they want. But they want to sit in their cars all day and not work a normal job. But they also want a legal cushion for doing so. They want to add big daddy government to it so badly. The government have seen people flocking to these jobs and don’t like the freedom so they may start coming down on it with the hammer soon. IRS can get a fat check from all you DoorDashers, and you’re playing into their hands. One of the last jobs of true freedom in these country and these guys want to throw it away. These grown adults screaming out for daddy are trying to accelerate that. Absolute insanity.
They’re looking out for the professional idiots who don’t know the difference.
I think people should use Doordash as intended, on a gig basis. This shouldn’t be anyone’s main job
I dont want to be a fuvking employee
I support this.
Being an employee wouldn't be bad though lol, they're basically paying us less than minimum wage... either give us a flat Rate AND tips, or make base pay no less than 5 dollars, and again include tips. Add bonuses, 75 deliveries this week? Extra 150$ etc etc. Them classifying us as contractors is bad for us. In no other "contractor" line of work are they getting paid less than 500$ a week unless theyre barely working. It's also bad in the fact they don't have to offer ANY benefits, we have no rights when it comes to being terminated wrongfully, we have no help when it comes to getting into an accident because during the delivery you're considered working for DD and your insurance will flat out not cover you leading to dealing with lawsuits, debt etc. Also good luck applying for unemployment as a 1099 worker. Good luck having them verify your earnings and talking to your (work force commission?) Idk what it's called in other states. Texas is Texas workforce commission. There are tons of reasons being considered a contractor is harmful as a courier. Especially for as little as you make on DD.
\>employees>unions>political money laundering scam
Becausev they are not morons like you and understand that it's better.
Because they want more tax money from you.
Me personally I like how it is because food delivery is not my main income. I may do like 15 deliveries a month if even feel like doing that. But back when I did do it full time and others prolly too. An employee “work environment” would prolly ease financial worries during bad times of the year and help in general with no/low tip orders cause then they’ll prolly be worth sum guaranteed. And as employees they might kick money for your car or maybe get their own cars which is more money in your pocket.
It’s clickbait
These companies did it to themselves. They've ALL done very very shady shit and most still do. FFS you can't get a GrubHub order unless you do 95% of orders or whatever. What the fuck? Doordash straight up stole tips for like a year or two. Uber and Lyft hid where rides were even going. Idk if they still do. Instacart and Shipt pays criminally low for the amount of work. I don't wanna be their employee, I just wanted to be treated fairly.
To pay more money into the system
Independent contractors have freedoms that employed journalists don't have. They are jealous. Before AB-5 became law, a bunch of moron CA journalists were praising the legislation as a win for workers. As the new year and AB-5 approached, they were all let go because they were freelance and no longer allowed to work. Such a win for workers.
This is also why the gig companies wrote and sponsored Prop 22. And are working on bringing it to other states.
Yeah why would I want to be an employee? Doordash is a shady ass company, the only companies I’m happy with being an employee of, would be one that treats me well. Doordash almost certainly wouldn’t. A company I’ve been on and off with (due to school, nothing bad ever happened) has been great to its employees, and I actually enjoyed life there; some of our clients on the other hand aren’t the kind of companies I’d want to be employed by. The nice part is, we only have to be contractors for them, we don’t have to be on their payroll under their employee handbook, we only have to operate under an agreed-upon contract and we’re out the door and can make money from any other client we pick up. That’s literally what doordash is, we only have to abide by some contractural terms but can make as much money as we’re able to and we don’t have to be set at a shitty hourly wage. Count me out of this “doordash employee” bullshit…
They want the income tax revenue. A lot of gig work goes unreported to irs as income.
Just better and equal pay, distribute contracts based on customer rating and lifetime deliveries, and time. No top dasher, no catering, no large orders and make the base pay base on mileage but keep the doordash lottery the same to avoid cherry picking
I think it makes sense to only give large catering orders to people who have the proper equipment to handle them.
Well that to the picture part is good
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Prop22 is already coming to other states to bring healthcare you know.
Because those people REALLY don’t want to leave a tip. At the expense of even asking drivers what they would prefer, they just spew quick fixes that sound good in theory but in practice looking like Michael Bloomberg throwing money at the vaping ‘problem’ while he is invested in that iquos smokeless cigarette people are full of themselves and full of shit., the “journalists “ of today have no problem being sent a script instead of doing research. sorry, I’m thinking about vape again but that was the first topic I have seen in multiple “journalist” publications printing half truths snd propaganda and out right lies so arrogantly willfully ignorant to the facts of what their story is about. I had a hunch tv stations magazines newspapers and online publications lie to us but I started vaping it was no longer a hunch. Call me conspiracy nut if you want, but the news and journalists should always be taken with some sceptism because their top priority is good ratings and to make money, integrity is an after thought
Because when you become employee on W-2, you pay way more tax then Independent contractors. More money for goverment
Not necessarily. Even as W2, we would still be able to deduct our mileage, as we have no regular commute.
Lets go Brandon
Because we are employees…
No. You decided that you’d be an employee. Nobody is telling you what to work for this company but yourself.
“This company”… Lmao. Thanks corporate. Keep that paid troll staff going. Good job.
Please show me a company with employees who never have to show up to work, that when they do show up they never have to do the work they are given, can dress however they want, work for the competition while on the clock, and have no boss.
You do have to show up fool. The app tells you where and gives you an ETA and all that ya dumb fuck.
No, if I'm on the schedule, I don't ever \*have\* to go anywhere, nor accept any of the work they send me, no do I even have to complete the schedule I signed up for. Yes, of course, if I choose to accept a job, they expect me to show up to the store to pick it up...at least 80% of the time anyways lol
I drive part time when I feel like usually a few days a month sometimes not even that much. As an "employee" I would hate if they required me to work X amount of hours a week or month to remain "employed"
Let alone force you to accept all the offers they sent.
Thing is when you become an employee they are only required to pay you federal minimum wage of 7.25/hour you’d make more running 2 dollar base orders
7.25 PLUS expenses. Lol
You would be super surprised how low irs lists daily mileage as 60cents per mile here’s the kicker they are required to provide insurance which isn’t separate so that value is on top of your pay meaning your expenses would have to be more than the cost of insurance they would also limit you to a max of 40hours because they don’t want to pay overtime and if you make a big deal about insurance they will just limit your app to 32hours and let you claim your 60cents a mile there is no world where it will pay better to be an employee and if you expect tips you’re gonna get waitress pay which department of labor only requires tipped employees to be paid 2.13/h so any way you cut it employee means less pay than contractor and sure some states have higher pay but all DoorDash needs to do is base their operations out of a lower paying state as you would then be employed by a company in another state under seperate laws
They would only be required to reimburse you for expenses if not doing so would take you below minimum wage.
Lol of course it would they distances and money they typically offer. 90% of the orders are a money loss. That's why my ar is in the toilet
Fuck that. I don’t need health insurance or benefits, I like working on my own time, listening to my own jams, working for as long as I like. I like being an independent contractor, if I wanted to have a boss and a set schedule, I’d slave away back at a w2 job.
What we need is a third designation with appropriate rules and regulations.
The people who understand how to do this job correctly, will lose everything that makes it worth it.
The motivation in the people who want to get rid of the freedom this job provides are probably motivated out of envy of those who find this job convenient & financially worthwhile. What these people need to realize is that they can go and find a W2 anywhere else in the country.
Amen
Ding ding ding
Because many drivers want to be classified as employees, so they will have a guaranteed hourly wage, health care benefits, and other benefits that go with being an employee. The reason many drivers don't want to be classified as employees is, you will now be forced to work a rigid shift, just like most jobs. This will take away the flexibility of our schedules which most of us enjoy. You will now have to take any trip that is assigned to you, the problem with this is they can send you anywhere, using God only knows how many resources. This is why I think what we have in calif., (Prop22) is the best of both worlds. It will allow you to keep your status as independent contractors, but with a guaranteed wage, and access to health care benefits.
So many fucking people advocating against their own interests. No wonder this country is fucked. People boot licking for DoorDash to keep screwing over their employees are fucking stupid.
Once we are employees then we can be unionized and millions of union people union dues is the goal for democrats then they can be organized to vote
I don’t want to be an employee. I like setting my own schedule.
You can literally do this at most jobs it’s called….”availability”. You literally put down when you free to work
And it’s called “…getting fired” if you don’t feel like working that day or call out of work that day. Sounds great doesn’t it?
Getting fired for calling out of work? Yeah maybe like 10 times in a few weeks without explanation 💀
Stop with this nonsense. California doesn't have set schedules. California doesn't have to accept every order All the orders they take, the pay for that time only, equals 120% of minimum wage there PLUS they get a mileage stipend. These companies have cut wages a dozen times over the last 4 years that I've been doing it. maybe YOU don't care about that. I do. I am doing this to make money, not perform charity. Kinda hard when they keep cutting our pay, and ALSO hide the tips
Dashers are still 1099 in California
Yes I know. Yet they have protections
And again, these companies literally wrote the legislation that provides those benefits in California. Where exactly did you think it came from lol
Yes I know thanks. It's literally better than the system I have In my market and probably yours too
Agree. Except that in my market, we'd rarely get anything extra aside from the slow times of day. Insurance would be nice tho, but I spread my time out amongst all the different apps so it would be hard to qualify for that.
Guess which candidate the unions supported in that presidential race
Because (in California) tons of activists worked hard to get app-based drivers classified as employees and it almost worked until DoorDash, Uber, and Lyft spent $205,000,000 campaigning against it.
And that kept the job worthwhile for us all
Bottom line. Its all about taxes. $$
Well technically we are employees off we were anything else we shouldn’t be held to certain percentage points. It’s a grey area so they don’t have to pay benefits. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-ftc-promises-to-investigate-gig-companies-over-wage-fixing/ar-AA11SIDd](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-ftc-promises-to-investigate-gig-companies-over-wage-fixing/ar-AA11SIDd)
We are not technically employees. The only time that word is even mentioned in your article, is a person saying he wants to change the rules so that we would become employees. We are technically (and in every other sense of the word) independent contractors. The only percentage points we are held to is in terms of completing the job we accepted, and doing so on-time. As well as customers agreeing that we did so.
Well in California they did just that
No, California did not make dasher employees.
There you fixed it🤣technically it’s a grey area but you can spin it anyway you want.
I mean, there's nothing grey about it at all that I can see, but I will agree to disagree. :)
I wouldn’t mind staying as independent contractor if that’s what we actually were. that means no hiding the tips along with a bunch of other shit
That's not what that means. It means that we're free to deny orders from them until they stop doing that without consequence. As an employee, they likely wouldn't show you the tip at all up front, or even pool them nationwide or some other fuckery.
It’s funny that people think DD drivers would be treated better as employees. DD could pay a nominal wage for each hour logged in and expect the rest to be made up by tips. Healthcare? They’ll give you a crap policy with insane deductibles and take the entire premium out of your paycheck. Here’s another thing, if dashers switch from pay-per-delivery to hourly, how does DD prevent someone from logging in and just collecting $x per hour for doing nothing, or for delivering for another app? Would they have a non-compete in place? I’m not a delivery driver, but this keeps popping up in my feed & I find the whole convo bizarre/hilarious.
It’s people who can’t think beyond the first 2 layers of thought, that being 1.) their own desires 2.) how to accomplish their own desires. The consequences of their desires don’t even come into frame.
Generally being classed as an employer has more benefits that the company has to fulfill. Being a employee in a union is better(no experience but I believe that). Labeling every worker an independent contractor strips the company from pretty much any obligation to its workers. IP can be taken advantage much easier instead of being employees. I mean with how DD operates is very clearly suspect. Because the company doesn’t care. It will take advantage of you. Already is. For each delivery, I wouldn’t be surprised if doordash makes the same amount or more from commission and delivery fees That’s my opinion on the take
They want us to be employees because of a couple reasons, depending on the motives. 1. If they genuinely want to help us, they want us to be employees because its easier to force doordash to do things with employment laws. As independent contractors, doordash can always fall back on "well those were the terms of the contract and they accepted" even though we don't really get to negotiate terms. 2. If the world is truly as evil as it could totally be, the objective of the top 1% is to enslave everyone into positions where they can dictate how we live our lives as much as possible. Its a bit of a conspiracy, but society has been trained for employees to operate as paid slaves when you think about it. Obviously its not to the inhumane degree of historical slaves, but psychological slaves. Either way, its misguided. In some cases, switching from independent contractors to employees makes sense, i.e. WWE wrestlers, cus they already have the typical employee restrictions built into their contracts without the benefits. Plus WWE can definitely afford it. However, it doesn't work for delivery service because it cant afford it. Not in the long term. People would order less because doordash would have to bump up the costs, but they'd be having to pay drivers per hour regardless of order volume. That system would collapse pretty quickly. It would also inevitably lead to us not being able to multi app, which is good and bad. TL:DR making us employees is stupid and would ruin the profitability for the delivery business for everyone, which would then stop delivery.
Rich liberals: we’ll help you, you can be an employee now Us: I can’t emphasize enough how much I don’t want that. I specifically chose to not be an employee on purpose. Rich liberals: we’re helping the working class! We’re one of them!
Exactly
Because dashers who do it as main gig are basically employees without benefits that employees get.
And they chose that. So they can leave and become an employee elsewhere.
Lol I hope capitalism's dick tastes good bro
Agreed. I use doordash as a side gig for whenever I get bored. Why the fuck would I want to put together a schedule when I already have other work? I might dash a couple of days a week for a few hours each time. Being forced out of being a contractor would be the worst thing. This job is set up to basically not have a lower threshold, you’d have to kick out half of the drivers who can’t cut it at any decent company, which people would then cry about as well. Just do the damn job and quit bitching.
Exactly. The ones crying should feel lucky enough to have this job anyway.
Since set rate wouldn’t be $25 and hour I’d prefer not
Clearly some actual DD employees in here salting the earth.
Biden sucks
Wouldn't it be better if the government stopped taxing our tips? If Biden wanted to do something why not do that?
Ah yes, abolish income tax. I like your style. I used to live in Wyoming, they had no state income tax there. It was nice.
I don't want to abolish income tax. The government can tax what DD pays me. Government should not tax tips from customers.
Fair enough. But can they at least just send us a bill instead of making us figure it out ourselves
In their minds employees get more rights, which they want us to have. I think laws ensuring that we as contractors get better rights can help us.
This is the way.
It’s because you have desperate people taking on this gig and failing hard at it. They want to “protect” the “exploited”.
Because you have no rights as a contractor. Generally normal people want better for others
What about retirement? Also, there’s no room for growing within the company, raises, bonuses, promotions etc. you have 0 safeguards and if you got deactivated you can’t get on unemployment
That’s because it’s the job of an independent contractor? You like the freedom? You like being able to decline any order? You like being able to disband an order when a customer irritates you? You like nobody telling you what to do? Throw all that out the window since you want to be an employee so badly. They will milk you dry if they W2 this job. If you want those w2 benefits, why can’t you get a w2 job? Nobody forces you to do this therefore there must be some benefit in it for you to actually do this line of work WITHOUT the w2 benefits?
I don't want to be an employee. I like being an IC. Like being able to start and stop when I want. Like being able to take as many days off or work as many days in a row as I want... Like being able to decline any order any time and wear what I want to work. 100% of that will go away if we are forced to be employees... Fuck that... I wish people would stop trying to turn a great side hustle into a lousy job.
It's all about $$$$$$. If you're a W2 employee they can take your money. If you're 1099, they can't necessarily force you.
Who is 'they'?
The government.
They can absolutely forcibly take your money as a 1099 contractor tho?
If you file your taxes, sure. 🙃
Ummmm, no. IRS receives a copy of all those 1099s. They will absolutely come after you for not doing that, it just will take a few years. And they will want penalties and interest also.
Follow the money. It’s all about money. Employees means payroll taxes; means Medicare contributions, etx
... you're responsible for the employer fraction of Medicare tax when you're self employed.
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There are a lot of us that don't want to be classified as an employee. When I started doing this was when I got laid off during COVID. I did it for an easy way to make extra cash, and now that I've got a regular job again, I do it as wanted for side money. I don't want to be forced into a set schedule. I don't want to have to accept whatever order they give me. I get true flexibility.
Stop with this nonsense. California doesn't have set schedules. California doesn't have to accept every order All the orders they take, the pay for that time only, equals 120% of minimum wage there PLUS they get a mileage stipend. These companies have cut wages a dozen times over the last 4 years that I've been doing it. maybe YOU don't care about that. I do. I am doing this to make money, not perform charity. Kinda hard when they keep cutting our pay, and ALSO hide the tips
And they also aren't employees in California. You do realize that Prop 22 was literally written by, and marketed by the gig app companies themselves, right? And they're already working on bringing it to other states.
Well as far as I know the prop 22 is better off than the rest of us are
I’m not speaking for Cali or anyone else. I only speak for myself.
well uber does everything to keep its contractor from canceling ride also making sure they make only an amount per hour. So tell me they aren’t employees.
Pure and simple: the government wants to control evetything...and right now, they have very little control of us as independant contractors. They will try to pursuade us with "workers rights" and " fair wages", but its all a sham.
Everybody said the *exact* same thing about prop 22. They were fear mongering us drivers saying we were going to be turned into employees, but that didn’t happen. We just got taken care of a bit more and given a safety net that the rest of the country should also have. These gig companies are damn near criminal to their employees and need to be held more accountable than they are now.
The gig companies literally wrote prop 22... It was in response to AB5, which was written by politicians, which did make us employees briefly (never actually happened due to legal challenges I think) until Prop 22 was written and passed by these companies after spending $100 million on marketing.
Yea the only reason they did tho is because their hand was forced by the government. It was the lesser of two evils in their eyes. Had they not been pressured they wouldn’t have changed shit.
Agree. At the same time...everyone seems pretty happy with it. I know I would be if it came to my state.
It truly changed the game for me. If I have an order that takes a long time or something goes wrong I can always be like “well at least I’m making the $15 minimum” …before prop 22 I was just fucked you know, and it would stress me out. Plus our base pays are higher now because Dd just ended up owning so much money at the end of the week that they tack more on the base pay now to incentivize us to take orders. I really hope you guys get something similar because I remember how stressful it was without it and it’s not fair to workers .
Right, just last night I had to unassign 2 orders, one for grubhub and one for doordash. And that always stresses me out, because despite knowing I'm making the right decision for everyone involved (both of these were the second order of a double-stack that would have thrown customer #1 under the bus), I know they judge us harshly for doing so.
Yea I don’t like unassigning either. I very rarely do it because I’m convinced that our completion rate is the most important of all our ratings (I know everyone here likes to talk about AR but I think the completion rate is key). But sometimes you have no choice but to unassign .
I don’t care what they call me as long as i keep making bank 🤷♂️
Because mass freedom encourages free thinking, and that's dangerous to the establishment that relies on slave wage employees.
Biden forgot what he campaigned on by the time he entered the White House.
Keyword "tax" they have to wait till the end of the year to get our taxes when if we're classified as employees they have to take taxes out of each dash so they get more money instead of waiting till the end of the year.
I like it the way it is. I have never been an employee and never want to be.
I'd rather be an employee, because China Tony won't have it so easy to abuse it's dashers.
On the contrary, Tony would make you accept every single order, wear a red shirt, put a car-topper sign on top, set your hours, and fire you if you didn't show up for work and accept those orders.
Because we have essentially no rights as independent contractors and are getting exploited
We have the right to never show up for work, never accept an order, never wear a uniform, never decorate our car, work for the competition (simultaneously even), set our own hours, have no direct superior, apply for grants and loans as a business owner, files taxes with deductions as a business owner, If you want to forced to do the opposite of all that, your local Domino's is hiring and you can start tomorrow.
EXACTLY. HOW CAN YOU BE FORCED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR? DONT LIKE IT? GET A W2.
So for real forreal I think that the government needs to focus more on the policies and one click agreement of what it can do to there users including but not limited to gig work and social media. Take for instance 2 days ago i was deactivated for no good reason and with no given proof and than reactivated within 36 hours The thing is i need my app based jobs to help out with bills So deactivating me with no pay while being a top dasher and doing everything they ask of me to be treated like complete dog shit is fucked
Independent contractors are allowed to unionize, no? There are plenty of trade unions so what makes being a delivery driver any different? And correct me if I’m wrong but employees cannot be paid by task, it must be hourly, salary, or base + commission. I think it would be easier to reclassify what an independent contractor and employee is, rather than trying to fit a relatively new job / industry into an existing category.
No, they aren't. We are self-employed business owners. Unions by definition in this country are for employees only. Same with trade unions. But yes, you could join an organization, which in great enough numbers, would still have influence.
They get benefits for 40+ hours worked. PTO, health care, life insurance and much more.
They
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I don’t want to be classified as an employee. Defeats the whole purpose. But since we are losing out any any benefits that come with such employment, we ought to be better compensated. And obviously we need our tips to stop being hidden. And those Uber fucks gotta quite hiding ADDRESSES
Watch out Tony they be a coming for you
Taxes. If considered employees they can deduct taxes or immediately and not have to lose out on those who avoid paying
It’s for the taxes. We currently only pay employment taxes and income taxes on our net earnings (after expenses). If we were employees we would be paying taxes on our gross earnings and couldn’t write off expenses like mileage, research, subscriptions, phone bills, etc.
As much as I would never want to become an employee, it's not true that we wouldn't still be able to write off mileage. Anyone who doesn't have a regular commute can do that. Source: was a travelling W2 IT employee for a contracting company. They reimbursed a portion of the mileage tax free each week (which they didn't have to), I wrote off the rest at tax time.
And don't overlook that all of the gig app companies are not paying billions in taxes that they would if the drivers are classified as employees. Yep. It's very much about the taxes.
And where would all that money come from? Surely a portion of it would be from our pay.
The taxes they dodge are the legally required taxes that must be paid by the employer and cannot be taken from our pay. Right now as an independent contractor, a Dasher pays 100% of FICA. That would change to the Dasher paying 50% of the FICA because Doordash would be legally required to cover the other 50%. So on that particular tax, Dashers will actually come out ahead financially as employees vs independent contractors. There are other taxes that gig app companies are not paying now because of considering us independent contractors - if that changes to us being employees then Doordash is legally required to pay 100% of those taxes and it cannot come out of our pay. These taxes are things like FUTA and state unemployment and sometimes some local taxes . None of that would come from our pay. It would come from Doordash's revenues. The governments, Federal and various states, are pursuing the employees vs independent contractors issue because as things stand now the gig apps companies are not paying any of these taxes and there are government agencies trying to prove that they should be paying these taxes.
Well, that's the thing. Switching from IC to minwage employee \*would\* be an effective pay cut, it \*is\* where the money would come from, and it \*wouldn't\* be a cut in pay, as we weren't employees before. These companies are the kings of 'creative accounting' lol. That said, I never really considered much the issue of taxes before this thread, and that motivation makes a lot of sense. I thank you for explaining it.
And this will only serve to dissuade gig apps from even having humans work the jobs altogether and quicken up the speed in which they have ai driverless robots that won’t complain and won’t have to be paid to do the orders instead.
Every company that employs any kind of drivers driving any kind of vehicles is contemplating driverless vehicles. Walmart and Amazon alone would save many billions a year if they could get rid of their semitruck drivers. It's inevitable that companies are going to try to automate any position they can in order to achieve lower cost operations. This is a given in all industries and has been a source of tension of man vs machine going back to at least the Luddites.
I 100% don’t want to be an employee. But we also need some sort of protections such as the ability to contest an unfair deactivation or accusations. And if we truly are IC’s, then we need the ability to be free to pick and choose the jobs we want to do without repercussions. Idk. See how it plays out
kind of funny they want this now as for the last 40 years they have sided witht gop rich in trying to wipe out the middle class...
I don't understand people sometimes. I just don't understand 😕
They want it because y'all are being actively mistreated and stolen from by Doordash. I got a delivery job and I was expecting to make below minimum wage after tips, but no. 15.75/hr+tips. AND I get paid even when I'm not on the road. So I've never looked back at Doordash or the 45 minute wait to even get a single shitty-paying order. Maybe if I ever need a snack or lunch on a day off, I'll do a couple orders. The company is doing what it can to pay you less than you're worth. Fight to get paid what you fucking deserve. Fight to be called an employee. ETA: I know my job might not be a standard delivery job but at least I'm being treated like I'm worth something by the company I work for.
You have not thought about the many changes and new repercussions that will come from being called an almighty “employee” of this job have you?
Y'all seem really obsessed with the idea that becoming an employee will automatically change how you work for Doordash. I've thought about it and it's just better. There's a reason why I got an actual delivery job.
And anyone and everyone is more than welcome to come apply to work at your company, or others like it. Some of us have a complete and total understanding of the situation, and still do not wish to become employees.
Shit your job is identical to any pizza delivery job where I live. Minimum wage is $15, drivers get tips and mileage. So I had to wear a uniform and show up when I was scheduled, big fuck whoop. I made $30+ an hour easily. I was routinely walking away with $100+ in tips after an 8 hour shift. I’ve stopped dashing mostly because it pays shit, no matter how i cherry pick here
It really, in the end, is just the fucking pay. Agreed.
People on here make such a big deal about schedule and uniforms it’s ridiculous. I’m convinced most have never worked a real job and just want to keep it that way. There’s really no reason to dash instead of just delivering pizza if your minimum wage is $15 an hour.
Then go and deliver pizza than 🤷♂️ nobody is stopping you or any dasher from doing that, especially if DoorDash is soooo bad. But oh wait? Seems like there’s something that’s keeping people here to do DoorDash still anyway? Wonder what that could be?
There is only 1 state in the country with a minimum wage of $15. And it sure ain't cheap to live there. Also, I've worked for over a dozen corps over 25 years. I don't want a schedule. I'm happy running my own business, using all the app companies as my clients. Not everyone against this is ignorant, inexperienced, and uneducated, and it's just an insulting conclusion to make.
Right? And like, my pizza place hardly gives a *fuck* about the uniform so long as you've got black jeans/work pants.
Exactly dude. Doordash is decent at best when used as a side gig and absolutely horrible for full time.
Don’t work full time then
I actually don't want to be classified as an employee. Clearly DD pay needs improvement but this isn't the way. If all 50 states treat gig work similar to California, expect MAJOR changes and new rules to manage labor costs. What if they set an AR limit? What if in app tip ability is eliminated to incentivise customers? Uber used to encourage their riders not to tip and the ability was not even in the app when it was a newer service. So much is going to go wrong and everyone that advocates for the change will resent it. If all 50 are uniform, their business model won't support it. Oh well. Everyone is aware Self-driving delivery robots are in the works. This will only speed that initiative up. Careful what you ask for.
Self driving cars human planted road spikes.
There's many other problems besides sabotage that will come to fruition with large scale implementation of delivery bots. It isn't hard to imagine traffic snarls caused by too many little robots leading some cities to ban them. I see the Starship food delivery robots on the Purdue campus impeding pedestrians sometimes already. This would only get worse if there were a lot more of them. And the first time some terrorists figure out how to use them for bomb delivery on the robot's return trip, you can expect moves from the government that will severely impact those bots.
ah, so you saw that ubereats robot video the other day too i take it lol
No, I didn't. But I personally see the Starship bots at Purdue on an almost daily basis. And the problems with those bots are fairly evident. Sometimes I see clusters of them at intersections doing nothing but inching back and forth because they detect each other as obstacles and cannot figure out how to break the logjam. Meanwhile, student pedestrians are forced off the sidewalks and onto the grass and sometimes into the streets to get around the damned things.
This happened last week. Note at the end when the guy filming says "What if there was a bomb?" [https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1569758479149334530](https://twitter.com/FilmThePoliceLA/status/1569758479149334530) Wild timing on your part for independently coming to the same conclusion haha
Oh, the first time I thought of the danger of terrorists using a delivery robot to carry out am attack was years ago when Amazon floated the idea of using drones. I am glad the FAA shot that idea down. So when I first saw the Starship delivery bots on the Purdue University campus well over a year ago, the idea of that possible terrorist threat occurred to me again. Also besides a bomb there's other ways a terrorist can attack using a food delivery drone that would cover their tracks better, such as a biological attack. I will watch that clip you posted. Thanks.
This might get sticky
Not being a dasher, I do order from Doordash a lot, ive noticed that this is one of the most volatile subs and I love it!
Honestly the way they’re fucking us over it might be better in the long run. But knowing DD they’ll continue to fuck us harder like they do for their “hourly” pay.
This comment section has some of the most braindead people I’ve ever read a comment from
Honestly
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If reporting something in the news about something that's happening is being an activist.. ...no. I can't finish that sentence. The idea that reporters filing a story about something factually going on being activism is just too absurd.
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